BBB: Splitsville :: Update 27 June 2006Posted by marisacat in Big Box Blogs, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, U.S. Senate.
First, quick link to a posting earlier today from Jedmunds at Pandagon that I liked. Something righteously mournful before I step into the cow patties of BlogKnot.
hmmmmm. Linking to Billmon again. Earlier, I had tucked him at the end of a long, ever upped and whupped post. But no. It is a bit of a fork in the road. The last grafs especially.
But in the end it doesn’t matter. The Lieberman Dems don’t hate and fear Kos and the Daily Kos “community” because they are too far to the left. They hate them because they represent an emerging power center within the Democratic Party that they don’t control — what’s more, one that is now much closer to the public mainstream on the central issue of our time (the Iraq War) than they are.
The overriding concern for the neolibs, I think, is not that Kos and the netroot activists will lead the party off to the far-left fringes, but rather that they are willing, even eager, to form alliances with conservative nationalists like Jim Webb (the Va. Senate candidate) who’ve been forced out of the GOP because of their opposition to the neocons and their insane schemes. From Marty Peretz’s point of view, this is very bad. Left unchecked, it could even pose a threat to the sacred alliance with Israel.
The relationship between the party and Israel and or AIPAC/JINSA is so deep in the DNA, as to be rock solid. I just don’t see it. And yes, the tough old pol that is Lieberman was going to lash out. A given, an absolute given.
One of the tied-in sites, ever part of the link game, has 71 posts up against Lieberman. Count ‘em. Not a problem, this stuff is old as the hills. Or maybe I was an absolute minority years ago when Hill made her ”explosive” comment on the Today Show. Enh. I thought of Mary Todd Lincoln and Dolly Madison, for starters. Not new.
So – I am not casting purity scolds over those 71 posts. But with the post from Billmon… And if you look at the opening of just this one post (of the 71) from the ”Lakers”. Note what they slam Joe Lieberman for.
I wish I could impute nefarious intent to the effort of traditional media types to make the blogosphere’s opposition Joe-nertia “all about the war,” but if I had to guess I’d say it was more due to abject laziness and a lack of native curiosity. As I’ve written many, many times before, my rabid lambiness took root during the Alito cloture vote, when Lieberman sided with the Gang of 14 to put a sexist, elitist, fundamentalist Dobson-loving bigot like Strip Search Sammy on the Supreme Court. I feared the country could not survive another one. And when interviewed for the new Time Magazine article on the race, Markos noted that he himself had said “enough” after Lieberman dicked everyone around on Social Security.
Nelson has been no different. He was instrumental in forming the group, the Gang of 14, that did not save filibuster, but killed it (with help from Reid and Biden, who caved early on, in spring, on Owens, Janice Rodgers Brown and others). He begged Dobson for a public thank you for his vote for Alito (Washpo, March 27) and it became clear he is in regular phone contact with Dobson.
Pretty stark. All I am saying is, Lieberman has a lot to work with.
Who decides who these sites support? The sites at issue being: Dkos, FDL and MyDD, Swing State Project – at a minimum. I mean behind Bowers and the list of 4 bloggers they cough out.
Kos, Chris Bowers, Matt Stoller, and DavidNYC (1+ / 0-)
- Recommended by:
ask for recommendations of candidates, but the decision is basically up to them (that’s probably why two of the candidates are from the Philly suburbs [Bowers's influence], and four of the candidates are from the West (Kos’s influence)].
I wouldn’t be surprised if Paul Hodes, Kirsten Gillibrand, and/or Linda Stender get put on the page soon (DavidNYC and Matt Stoller’s influence).
Don’t take my bluntness and attitude personally-the best weapon for the Democrats is the unvarnished truth, and the truth usually hurts.
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Sorry, I don’t think it is just the boyz.
I have posted, I was among those who early on chafed against Joe Lieberman. But when the boys began to (suddenly) marshall against Lieberman – even tho he is deserving of being primaried – I did not support their move — merely as a thread commenter!… but also I took time to send an email to a Dkos poster, local CT person who had long wanted a primary against Lieberman, well and good, but was being roped inside now to be part of the charge… and I did ask, what is up, there is a whiff, have a laugh, I got my head patted.
And may I say, not only honored to be banned (banned a few places, I think), but relieved and delighted. Thanks Boyos.
See Bowers own diary at DKos on Netroots selections, several candidates are added to the “stable” and there is considerable push back in the thread as to the manner of selection… My own guess one or two on the list have no idea the reactionary and unstable stable they have walked into.
And a choice quote made recently by one of the principals in the Bowers new consulting firm. Frankly I have read the brief text at the site and I am unsure what it is, or is not. Read the comment from “thereisnospoon” … who is David Atkins… and if you know what it all means, tell me.
Elections are a question of making coalitions and getting votes without sacrificing principles.
The Democratic Party gets plenty of votes from Communists and pretty crazy authoritarian lefties whose viewpoints I find almost as repulsive as Joe’s. That doesn’t mean I don’t advocate taking their votes…
My bigger question is, what is the agenda?
I used to say that about Republicans. Now I say it in earnest about whatever the game plan is that targets Joe, loves Ben (a strong conservative voice in congress), likes Military Mary, has no trouble with Pryor (another of the Gang of 14)… the list is long. The consulting group(s) supposedly to elect candidates, run on the troubled Democratic ticket (no other way to put it), but are willing to trash the Democratic party in that very way. That very particular way.
It is the flip side of the innuendo now starting swirl about the so called grassroots, ground level (and Lamont did well at the convention, getting a third, no dispute – better than I had expected him to manage) opposition to Lieberman.
If there is going to be a trope run that Kos is being targetted by the “Jewish Lobby” and tying the knot the way it was in the Billmon piece, which Kos front paged… well, I decline. Again.
So, what is the agenda?
Because the boys are not necessarily gold, from Suellentrop, behind the TimesSelect wall, new today:
Hotline editor Chuck Todd dropped Warner from second to third place last week in his rankings (done jointly with Hotline associate editor Marc Ambinder) of the likely Democratic contenders.
And Todd’s rankings were published before the blogstorm over Armstrong’s past as a political astrologist. (Conservative blogger Dan Riehl uncovered how, for example, Armstrong once connected “the rise of the political version of religious fundamentalism with the astronomical exploration of the Kuiper Belt in 1992.”) The American Prospect’s Garance Franke-Ruta, writing at Tapped, suggests that both controversies call into question Warner’s judgment: “If Warner didn’t know, when he hired Armstrong, that this kind of stuff was in his background — the S.E.C. settlement, the political astrology — it’s a sign his PAC failed to do its own due diligence.”
And a bit more:
The American Prospect’s Matthew Yglesias has a different interpretation for the many changing and contradictory posts by Moulitsas about Armstrong’s clients, which go beyond the questions about Warner. (Russell Hughlock of the Buckeye State Blog notes that Moulitsas shifted his support in an Ohio primary, and that he declared war on the Democratic Leadership Council and then never followed up on it). Perhaps Moulitsas is merely erratic and intellectually incoherent! There “is something along the lines of ‘Markos’ affections for candidates seems [sic] idiosyncratic and not driven by a consistent ideological worldview’ that I heartily agree with and I think is a problem,” Yglesias writes.
It is entitled, Warner’s Falling Star.
UPDATE: 4:00 pm, PT
Blogometer has several entries related to Kos, Lieberman, Newsweek (oh those old ink guys… hard to beat them, sad to say) the top one right now is:
Where is the old Kos?
As a long time fan of sports talk radio (KNBR 68, THE Sports Leader), the Blogometer loved DailyKos‘ founder Markos Moulitsas the first time we read his over the top rhetoric and unapologetic anti-war stance. Markos is a bright and strategic thinker and the Blogometer truly wishes him well on his quest to help reshape the party. But as Markos becomes a polished operative he may be losing the impish truth-teller qualities that drove him to fame.
For example, Markos attributes his absence from a Time magazine piece on CT SEN to his refusal to play along with the reporter’s “anti-war frame.” Markos says he told Time he was targeting Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) due to his stance on Social Security.
No doubt Markos did not like Lieberman’s Social Security posturing, but Markos hated Lieberman long before that debate.
DailyKos’ popularity is built on the coherence of its anti-war stance, not Social Security or any other progressive issue. But Markos has bigger plans past Iraq and Pres. Bush.
He is working on a new book focussing on his “Libertarian Dem” philosophy and Ex-Navy sec. Jim Webb (D) is perhaps Markos’ ideal embodiment of his ideal Dem candidate. Markos’ realizes the MSM currently keeps him in an anti-war only cage and he is desperate to expand his portfolio. Markos’s will do much better getting his case across if he maintains the honesty that made him so powerful to begin with.
One way of looking at it, and certainly one way to try to send a message. Give it a kiss and blow it on its way…
But one thing is sure, a book by Kos about Webb — hmm so he is going to win?? tho either way, sounds like a remainder table book… duller than dead dish water. Esp on some confused political philosophy that Kos made up…
It also sounds like Kos found some rather odd symbol to latch onto. White male, military (rose to be Sec of Navy) and let it be said, REPUBLICAN. This just has an adolescent stench off it..
Another from Blogometer - give Kos a pacifier, surely he has had enough attention. I recall that Nico Melli from the old Dean campaign said during the great flail over Zephyr Teachout in early 2005, that Kos loves to be in the middle of great controversy.
If he wanted it, this is it. I keep saying, be happy.
For the best rundown of the entire Kos/Armstrong/Hackett/Brown kerfuffle lefty BuckeyState Blog pens a lengthy history and concludes:
To date kos has failed to directly address the central issues.
Does Armstrong barter his services with clients to include the editorial influence of kos, if so is kos party to this ? Instead he has diverted attention from this question by attacking those asking these questions.
Kos at the end of the day I think has poor judgement and is naive – Hackett flip flop, the DLC attack that never came, Warner and Yearlykos- all leave many wondering. While Armstrong and kos have a symbiotic relationship, and some business ties (in the past, and with their recent book) I don’t believe there is any transfer of money for editorial influence – I think Jerome simply gets some of that for free, that at least is my impression. I personally don’t care how this story turns out, the netroots in the Ohio Senate race are now poisoned beyond recovery thanks to these bozo’s – I just hope I don’t have to witness them screw up any more races in the state I live.