Open Thread 25 July 2006
Posted by marisacat in DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.trackback
Reuters via Independent Online:
Washington – US congressional Democrats voiced alarm on Tuesday about Iraq’s denunciation of Israel in the Mideast conflict, and some said Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s upcoming address to Congress should be cancelled unless he apologises.
A group of House of Representatives Democrats was circulating a letter to House Speaker Dennis Hastert urging the Illinois Republican to secure an apology from Maliki or cancel the address on Wednesday to a joint meeting of Congress.
Ron Bonjean, Hastert’s spokesman, said there was no intention to cancel Maliki’s speech, and accused Democrats of “political gamesmanship during an election year”.
Wiff of a tiff there!… and what was the upshot of all the Big D Democratic yelling for their pacifier?? (what an image!) Don’t miss this:
With more than 2 500 US service members killed in the Iraq conflict, more than 18 000 wounded and more than $300 billion in US tax dollars spent, the Senate Democrats said,
“Americans deserve to know whether Iraq in an ally in these fights.”
Whammo!, take that! say the Dems.
I don’t know, I think we asked all of that, before the deaths, before the maiming – and we did not demand that the ordinary people of Iraq, living in the country we invaded, be our ALLY in their destruction.
What was all that bleating about elections?
’06 should be a blow out and ’08 a piece of cake. No doubt.
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… and this from Ha’aretz:
Morality is not on our side by Ze’ev Maoz
There’s practically a holy consensus right now that the war in the North is a just war and that morality is on our side.
The bitter truth must be said: this holy consensus is based on short-range selective memory, an introverted worldview, and double standards.
This war is not a just war.
Israel is using excessive force without distinguishing between civilian population and enemy, whose sole purpose is extortion. That is not to say that morality and justice are on Hezbollah’s side. Most certainly not. But the fact that Hezbollah “started it” when it kidnapped soldiers from across an international border does not even begin to tilt the scales of justice toward our side. [snip]
Whole lotta war-making going on. And the people under the bombs, across several countries, are told to suck it up. Amazing!
Worse yet, bombing infrastructure targets such as power stations, bridges and other civil facilities turns the entire Lebanese civilian population into a victim and hostage, even if we are not physically harming civilians. The use of bombings to achieve a diplomatic goal – namely, coercing the Lebanese government into implementing UN Security Council Resolution 1559 – is an attempt at political blackmail, and no less than the kidnapping of IDF soldiers by Hezbollah is the aim of bringing about a prisoner exchange.
And the thread at Ha’aretz runs overwhelmingly against Maoz.
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From Paper Tigress at Nur al-Cubicle, a translation from Le Figaro:
Wednesday, July 26, 2006
Just what is Israel up to?
Jean-François Legrain of the French think tank CNRS explains (original article in French can be found at Le Figaro).
The events unfolding in the Gaza Strip and in Lebanon over the last few weeks are linked by timing and, above all, by the same political considerations. Observers are nearly unanimous in recognizing the disconnect between the objectives announced by the Israeli government (to free its soldier-prisoners and to prevent rocket attacks) and the systematic destruction of Palestinian and Lebanese civilian infrastructures. It is timely to set out to investigate the real reasons behind these long-planned military campaigns in response to acts brought about by Israeli policies.
Israel’s policies are characterized by unilateralism, an idea conceived by Ariel Sharon with the support of Labour. Based solely on balance of power, it aims to restate the dissuasive capability of the State of Israel to impose its own solution on the entire region through violence inflicted on civilian populations while relying on the acquiescence of the international community. [snip]
Well… I’d say that last there is a bingo. And it sounds familiar. Very Bushite approach. Impose thru violence and be assured that few – or no one - want to oppose you.
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Chris Hedges in TruthDig on The Wall.
Those inside these zones of occupation pleaded over the years for help. We refused to listen. And once they burst through these barriers, enraged, bloodied, bent on revenge, we recoiled in horror, unable to see our complicity. We asked them to be quiet, to be reasonable, to calm down, and when they did not, their blood heated by years of abuse and neglect, we condemned them to their fate.
The barrier built by Israel in the West Bank is one of the most tangible and important symbols of this long humiliation, this strangulation of the Palestinians by Israel. To understand the role of this barrier is to begin to understand the rage it has now unleashed. Understanding is not excusing, but until we grasp that these militants do not come from another moral universe, until we face our own complicity in their creation and the awful violence now underway in Lebanon and the occupied territories, we cannot begin to understand the gross injustices that fuel these militant movements. It was, after all, the $10 billion in loan guarantees by the United States that made this barrier possible.
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BBC on the killing of the UN Peacekeeprs.
My guess would be if intentional it was done to check (and there is none, from earlier reports) viability for an International peacekeeping force. I heard some talk this am of a force drawn from Egyptian and Turkish nationals.
LOL Doubt that would go down well…
UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says.
Occupation, I doubt the Israelis want to share it…
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Augustus Richard Norton, opinion piece in Lebanon’s The Daily Star:
The early evidence suggests strongly that Shiites will emerge from this war even more politicized than before July 12, when the Israeli onslaught began. This war is consolidating sectarian loyalties, reinforcing the role of religious institutions and only heightening distrust of the US and major Arab states – most prominently Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Just because many tens of thousands of Lebanese Shiites may have to live in tents does not mean that they are going to emerge from this war a diminished political force. I expect the contrary to be true. There will be two beneficiaries of their politicization: Hizbullah and Iran.
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Senator Reid is among the Dems who vote FOR Ensign’s bill making assisting a teen to cross state lines to obtain an abortion a FEDERAL CRIME, from the SF Chron:
Senate votes to bar abortion in other states for some minors
House has OKd a similar measure, and Bush backs both(07-26) 04:00 PDT Washington — The Senate moved back into the abortion battle Tuesday, voting to make it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines to have an abortion if it bypasses state law requiring parental notification or consent.
The overwhelming 64-34 vote gives the measure a good chance at enactment this year. A similar measure already has passed the House, and both bills enjoy President Bush’s strong backing.
The vote was the first on the issue since similar legislation died eight years ago during the Clinton administration. The bill is one of a long-running series of Republican-led efforts to restrict abortion while stopping short of banning it, since the Supreme Court has held since 1973 that the right to abortion is protected by the Constitution. It adds abortion to the GOP’s election-year push on such divisive social issues as same-sex marriage and flag burning.
Reid has NEVER missed a chance to restrict women’s rights wrt to reproductive freedom. Batting strong for Democrats for Life, where he is an All Star (pdf.).
Tell us again about Casey… who btw, is a state level All Star for DfL (html).
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Timid Democrats Fail
To Pin Blame on Bush
By Nicholas von Hoffman
It took the Republicans about three weeks to make the Democratic politicians in Washington look like confused polled cattle. The ease and frequency with which the Republicans are able to emasculate the Democrats is past all get out.
Once again, there are the D’s out in the pasture with no horns and no balls. They had it done to them two years ago, when they and their candidate, John Kerry, allowed themselves to be ruined by the Swift Boat Veterans nonsense. How in Sam Hill does a national political party which led the United States into four major wars in the last century get itself tabbed again and again by its opponents as the cut-and-run party, the party of woofters, poofters and wankers?
This has been going on since the Civil War, as the Democrats have been successfully and successively defined by the G.O.P. as the Copperhead pro-slavery party, the soft-on-communism party and now the soft-on-national-defense party.
What makes Democrats so wussy?
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GAZA (Reuters) – Israeli forces killed 16 Palestinians in fighting across the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, including at least nine militants, a three-year-old girl and a handicapped man, medics and witnesses said.
Israel has stepped up air strikes and launched raids into Gaza to stop rocket attacks and recover a soldier captured by militants on June 25. The army has killed 137 Palestinians since it began its assault. About half were civilians.
Wednesday’s death toll in Gaza was the highest in two weeks. Among those killed were seven loyalists of the governing Hamas militant group and one gunman from the kindred Islamic Jihad faction, which is also dedicated to destroying Israel.
Another gunman was killed later, but it was not clear which group he was from.
Medics said a three-year-old and six others were killed, including a handicapped man. At least 50 people were wounded, including a cameraman for Palestinian television.
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Madman at LSF takes a look back at the USS Liberty, bombed (Oh! SO sorry!) by the Israeli AF, but as diversion…
Have to say, given some history from past Israeli military actions, another “regrettable accident” that happened to observers, one has to wonder if perhaps there isn’t something that happened, or is PLANNED to happen, that the Israelis don’t want observed, recorded or reported? From the link above, regarding the USS Liberty:
By 9:50 am, the minaret at El Arish could be seen with the naked eye like a solitary mast in a sea of sand. Although no one on the ship knew it at the time, the Liberty had suddenly trespassed into a private horror. At that very moment, near the minaret, Israeli forces were engaged in a criminal slaughter.
Three days after Israel had launched the six- day war, Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai had become a nuisance. There was no place to house them, not enough Israelis to watch them, and few vehicles to transport them to prison camps. But there was another way to deal with them.
… and he takes a look at the present day Dems and their high stress notes over al Maliki. My, they seem more perturbed over his words, then they did over KATRINA.
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I have Nina Simone blasting from the player… I don’t even know what to say anymore.
Maybe only this: as a lowly citoyenne holding just one vote, I renounce the US Imperium – for all that is worth… yes, worth very little, I know.
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via Counterpunch, Uri Avnery writing on the 11th day of the Israeli war on South Lebanon:
We started a war of days. It turned into a war of weeks. Now they are speaking of a war of months. Our army started a “surgical” action of the Air Force, afterwards it sent small units into Lebanon, now whole brigades are fighting there, and reservists are being called up in large numbers for a wholesale 1982-style invasion.
Some people already foresee that the war may roll towards a confrontation with Syria.
All this time, the United States has been using all its might in order to prevent the cessation of hostilities. All signs indicate that it is pushing Israel towards a war with Syria – a country that has ballistic missiles with chemical and biological warheads.
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Tasini, a man made of asbestos – or courage, has a diary at DKos… on the true third rail, Israel and NY politics. In fairness, the top of the thread is pretty low key…
Sombody’s god should bless him.
Here is the lay of the land for you, just caught on Fox News: that we should not worry, no shrines to do with “Jesus and Mary” have been damaged in Nazareth.
And then wtih barely a breath, they said that it would ”speed up the war” to “napalm whole neighborhoods” but out of concern for Lebanese life, the Israelis would not do that. Nor use “bombs packed with grenades”.
..what to say anymore…
Following that last line in the Ha’aretz:
There is this: Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon?
Lots of links within going to the sources that counter the official Israeli line.
And what tin-eared “gamesmanship” it is. Things are at the point in the ME that the Bush administration must actually try to behave somewhat responsibly (at least from their point of reference). They need to treat Maliki decently because of what the situation requires in Iraq.
So the Dems see an oppotunity to outflank the Repubs as AIPAC’s syncophants. They are so excited. But where do they hope to gain an advantage? Rev. Hagee’s followers, perhaps?
If they were listening, they’d understand that the political opportunity (just speaking cynically here) lies on the other side. More and more people are fed up with Israel and blind U. S. support for it.
Tin-eared. But there’s hope. Kos has a new piano and he’s very into music now. He will teach the Dems to sing a new song.
Then and now.
This from Jerusalem Post/Janes. On Rummy 2004.
Janes’: US gearing for showdown with Syria
Regard the “Outraged Democrats”.
First of all this re confirms my suspicion that the Democratic Party is just and extenstion of the travelling GOP show.. playing the Washington Generals to the GOP Harleem Globetrotters.
Step back and it makes perfect sense…
It has not gone amiss the eery similarities between the US invasion of Iraq and Israel’s Invasion of Lebanon.
This is where the Democratic poodle show comes in… being the Washington Generals and not the Trotters themselves… the Democrats always get stuck with the part making the GOP “look good” ie professional and reasonable.
No one would have probably not notice if they were not TRYING to fan the flames (kinda like Delaware Dem writing nearly 100 comments on the Uppity Nigra blogad… like he was TRYING to get people to notice or something… another aside… I see that in DD latest diary that they must be in the midst of updating DHinMI subscribers info database “Whos’s who in the zoo?)
It has not gone amiss the eery similarities between the US invasion of Iraq and Israel’s Invasion of Lebanon.
yup. we are running on retreads… tht are blowing up as we ride along.
wht a mess.
BBC tonight was in Tyre and small villages around there… a young mother wept and said, do you want to make us like Iraq?
I have never supported my government, or rarely – here and there for a few minutes. But never never felt farther away from this country than now..
PNAC is pissed at Princess Condi. The Washington Times mag has the hit piece.
“We are in the early stages of World War III. Our bureaucracies are not responding fast enough. We don’t have the right attitude.”–Newt Gingrich
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Condi2.htm
I think it’s four WJ callers now, in a row, first batch, pissed off at US and Israel on WJ. (Okay, caller #5 is a nut. She is PRO Israel and mad at Koffi… okay, that fits… and the …Democrats? Whoa, lady. Get the fuck up to speed. The Democrats are doing everything but writing XOXOXO’s on Israeli missiles.) Since then a handful more of callers – it seems about 2 to 1 are against Israel/US.
So, who in the Democrats is representing this growing majority that is fed up with the cojoined twins and the havoc they are wreaking with their insane ME policy/plans/actions?
Shall we all move to Congressman Conyers’ district? How about McDermott’s? (Two of the 7 who refused to AYE the lockstep “Israel is just defending itself, we support it in all it does” resolution.)
This letter writing to Maliki and the boycott reminds me so much of the stunt Congressional Dems pulled when Dean said we must be an evenhanded broker and huge settlements must go. Gee, he was speaking for using diplomacy and observing international law re occupations. Tsk tsk.
I am disgusted beyond words, really. On so many levels. Like the WOT angle they are hitting Maliki over the head with. Where do you stand, Maliki? Look at all we’ve done for you! How ungrateful can you be? Durbin looks especially horrid, because he should know better re this WOT (WFT- War For Terror) venture in Iraq… that he voted against. It is a nightmare we gifted them with. Any ten seconds of the news for days, months, years will tell you so. Yes, Maliki, stand with us in our nightmarish folly. Every act. Especially when Israel is involved. You are seriously out of the loop. You are either with us (Israel) or agin’ us!
The bad movie continues, getting worse, and we must both watch it and be in it.
Wiff of a tiff there!… and what was the upshot of all the Big D Democratic yelling for their pacifier?? (what an image!)
Matter o’ fact, one of my many spies managed to get a few pics of the Big D’ers at the last DNC fundraiser. Check ‘em out @:
http://alansmithee.5u.com/banned/fundraiserpics.html
(I think the last pic is a good one of Hillary.)
Re The war crimes documentation project.
Link here
This is primarily devoted to the Balkans conflict, although some of the technology is clearly applicable to documentation the systematic destruction of residential areas of south Beirut.
In particular this:
GIS, Geographic Information System, is a computer-based tool for mapping and analyzing things that exist and events that happen on Earth. Examples are natural disasters, overpopulation, pollution, war, and all other major challenges in the world today – all that have a critical geographic dimension. With GIS, we can perform better and faster tasks of creating maps, integrating information, visualizing scenarios, solving complicated problems, presenting powerful ideas, and developing effective solutions. Today, GIS is widely used by individuals, private and public organizations, schools, governments, and businesses. For instance, GIS is used by enterprise to locate new businesses sites, explain events, predict outcomes, and plan strategies. In GIS technology, common database operations such as query and statistical analysis are integrated with the unique visualization and geographic analysis benefits offered by maps.
Interesting piece in the NYT today about Al Qaeda’s disdain for Hezbollah:
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/opinion/26haykel.html
The mighty American Empire and its friends remain unmoved by Lebanese tears…
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/world/middleeast/26cnd-mideast.html?hp&ex=1153972800&en=b97e4ffc38aef83a&ei=5094&partner=homepage
What is the meaning of “is”? Reminds one a lot of the legalistic haggling over the meaning of “genocide” in the Rwanda days…
Okay, I made some of that up.
Well Condi, if you want God to sort it out, be advised that the meek shall inherit the earth.
Well.. my local ABC news just did a quick news update, and on Rome said, parties decided that something needed to be done, but could not agree on what.
Gotta laugh. Or weep helplessly…
Bayh (D-IN)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
14 Dems (as opposed to 4 GOP including Chaffee… I guess that is why Kos is bashing hin on the FP) crossed over to vote with Republicans on forcing girls not to be able to have abortions out of state because supposedly they believe in the “Culture of Life” … then in the next fucking breath… Reid (the weak assed bastard) leadsthe Democrats in a battle forcing Maliki to withdraw his denouncement of the Israeli slaughtering of innocent Lebanese civilians…
… Lastest rumor is that Hilliary and Schumer are set to confirm Bolton as UN Ambassador.
Fuck em all…
Didn’t Kos say that electing anti choice Democrats would “PROTECT” choice… that it is only their “personal” opinion that they would never vote against abortion rights… the lying little shit. Any minute he will have the Casey polling scores front page… and touting Kleeb etc.
Still waiting for the FDL ladies to say something… or do they proclaim to speak for women’s reproductive rights when it suits them to bash NARAL and/or Lieberman… silly cows.
Well… this is not foreign policy… but there is still a black out on ALL OF THE LINKED BOYZ BLOGS….
BTW another excellent diary by Tasini… this is what should have been expected from Feingold… instead he is sucking up in the diaries begging for money.
Kos is a Republican. Might as well be.
Frankly, I think it was that the Republicans are fully strategised, and tough as nails.
Kos, Trippi, Rosenberg, Jerome et al. + [later] Blahhggers – saw opportunity with the spun to death, few real beliefs, losers in the desert (June Spasm was metaphor) Democrats.
The single most transparent item on the menu at Kos is the slobber for Reid. A mediocre hack. Gosh he makes Mitchell look like some towering presence.
Slime and slugs. LOL And Blog Maids. You hang with a nasty misogynist – esp one who propagates what passes for political thought (I REALLY recommend reading page 3 and 4 of the tapper interview with the Kidlet), you are not for women, not in the least.
Which is fine, just stop the “liberal” word use.
More:
Medea Benjamin protested at the speech by Maliki… Go MEDEA!
a bit of life…
That was Medea? kewl.
How to spot a Republican… they can never admit when they are wrong or admit defeat… which is the only reason the US is not yet out of Iraq… it was lost months ago… no matter how many “elections” were held.
Same goes for the blogsnots… they are unfuckingbelieveable:
I think I liked it better when the blogidiots just kept their mouths shut..
Oh that was Glen Greenwald btw
Video of Medea (wouldn’t work for me tho)
Code Pink press release
More commentary on the bhaggartz silence:
Of course Reid was. It’s what he does.
He’s NOT a Democrat. He’s NOT a Progressive. He’s not even a leader. Bought and paid for puppet, that’s all.
Oh, and that link to the Tasini diary is dead. Hopefully this link will work.
good lord:
Blah blah blah. [Glenn Greenwald]
LOL Maybe Drum Major Insitute (DMI) has decreed, it was not “deliberate”. And from a fucking foundation in NYC they would know?
Or Working Assets in … SF isn’t it? And wasn’t it Working Assets that had a punditry [LOL] seminar for nascent Blahhgers a few months ago?
Please. Incubating a rigged set of mouths. surgically implanting zippers on those lips.
GMAFB.
BMT
writes up a little in Defense of Kos for why we all need to oppose Lieberman. But this sentence gets me, it sounded so much like a “it’s always Marsha marsha marsha” tantrum over Kos.
and after quoting a statement made by Marshall Wittmann about “bloggers want to cleanse the party of any trace of centrism” Boo goes on to say “Now I think Wittman is coming closer to describing me than he is Markos.”
A little jealously there? True Markos is not about centrism cleansing, but that snip does go with “it’s always Marsha marsha marsha.”
Has anybody noticed that MLW is becoming “all meta all the time” no matter what the subject is about. It’s nothing more but attacks left and right. Alas, Armando’s spirit possesses those who dare to venture into MLW. Just a few STFU, folks can feel right at home.
Thanks, D. Throat, for posting the Tasini words. I couldnt remember if I had posted any here, however I posted some at DK and asked how the hell it could be that a “progressive” site was silent on such an outstanding progressive candidate – one whose positions should serve as a blueprint, I think, for the whole lot of our Dem Senate. I was told by several posters that it’s because there isnt enough push from the locals.
To me, that is not explanation enough.
According to Xinhuanet, one of the observers was Chinese. The Chinese protested. It was about time.
Even Wayne Madsen is crapping on Kos for going against Cynthia McKinney.
That is three days in a role.
LOL… have a Trojan.
Thank you for reprinting Tassini’s remarks so I didn’t have to go voer there. Pity he isn’t the one running against Lieberman with a chance to actually land a seat in the Senate.
Sad but unshocked to hear Kos is opposing McKinney.
I, too, am finding myself increasingly numb & speechless. Trying to fight it. Hitting ‘repeat’often on Coltrane’s “Peace On Earth.”
I’ve been saying for a while that the dominant narrative of Israel’s self-defense against “terror” softened the US up for, prepared the ground, for our response to 9/11 in Afghanistan (which got Booman’s panties all bunched up: ‘Didn’t you see the holes in the ground in Manahttan???’). Overwhelming military force as the only possible “logical” repsonse. Now the tales have dovetailed into an even more monlithic edifice. Bill Kristoll offers it up explicitly:
“Israelis are brimming with moral clarity, as we Americans were after 9/11.”
NO MORE TAX DOLLARS TO DESTROY LEBANON
Arcturus
… welcome.
And I agree, Tasini is the more substantial challenger, as a person and with his background and determination.
I had caught a couple of Tasini’s diaries from a few months ago… he withstood the onslaught really well. And without fluffers – he stood alone commenting. Strong person.
Frankly most politician and candidate diaries at Kos are weak. blah.
Glad to see Lieberman opposed, but at the core the run is weak. It seems barely a 50/50 chance.
NO MORE TAX DOLLARS TO DESTROY LEBANON
Agree!!
Yeah, NARAL’s endorsement of Chafee was so “moronic,” huh? Hey, interest groups, here’s the deal – endorse anyone other than the netboot’s pick, and you get called “morons.” Or “wankers.” Or some other temper tantrum expression.
well I don’t have the link at hand (but I did link to it in some past posting) – I read that AIPAC was a backer of Laffey, the R primary challenge to Chafee.
Laffey has no voting record on abortion (been a town mayor) but is considered very, very conservative.
Told me a lot.
I wqas driving home from SF Monday afternoon, listening to _____ (embarassed I forget her name — she did an amazing Arabic music program on KPFA in the late 80′s) who had organized a protest in Beirut, then hurried over to greet Rice when she arrived. When Bernstein relayed Rice’s ‘birth pangs’ remarks, all she could do was grimly laugh. She actually had me in tears zipping along I 80. Anyway, she was asking that everyone make four calls/day — to the congresscritters (too bad if they get annoyed hearing it) & to one friend, saying simply, No More . . .
I will reach through the vomit to vote for whomeever the dems throw up for prez in ’08 — make-up of the Supremes is that important to me — , but dammit, the gutless critters have got to go. That includes Boxer.
“Brimming with moral clarity.”
There isn’t much one can say to a moral clairvoyant. Viva la muerte, perhaps.
I realize I have no wisdom to offer on these events. I just watch horrified.
cstar
looks like somebody had the same idea you had, the only difference between your idea and theirs, their map is all of Lebanon. The blog is called Lebanon updates – blog – Updates on the aggression against lebanon. Their are a minute by minute of the attacks by Israel.
But I like the wiki idea, maybe we could talk with them about the idea and see what they say.
Thanks, that’s also useful. Although my proposal for an annotated map of Beirut was in some ways much less ambitious (in terms of information provided and the area covered) and in other ways more detailed (looking at block by block destruction of an Urban area).
There were several reasons why that annotated map would be useful. It would provides evidence of the destruction of part of a city in a manner reminiscent of urban destruction in past conflicts. A map of residential and commercial areas, with street names could bring the conflict and its destruction to a human scale. It is much less abstract. Meaningless abstractions: decency, clarity, democracy, freedom have destroyed political discourse. I can’t think in these terms anymore.
https://marisacat.wordpress.com/2006/07/26/hard-slog-no-end-in-sight/
- new thread, if anyone wants one.
Deepest Troat, I will post that link to Lebanon Updates.
Thanks.