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Green Zone under assault 25 January 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Big Box Blogs, DC Politics, Iran, Iraq War, Russ Feingold, WAR!.
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  blast from the car bomb, Jan 25, Reuters 

Washington Journal read a report off the wires a few minutes ago… this is up at Yahoo (full text from the AP):

BAGHDAD, Iraq – A huge explosion rocked central Baghdad just before sunset Thursday, sending a massive plume of black smoke into the air along the east bank of the Tigris River. The blast occurred shortly after two heavy mortar shells slammed into the heavily fortified Green Zone.

The public address system inside the zone, where the U.S. Embassy is located, could be heard warning in English that people should take cover, “this is not a drill.”

Heavy gunfire rang out throughout the center of the city after the explosion thundered across the city and was especially heavy in the Karrada district. Sirens on emergency vehicles wailed through the region.

Initial reports from police said two people were killed in the explosion.

Report from Reuters:

BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A car bomb, that killed at least two people, and two other explosions shook central Baghdad on Thursday, sparking alarms and warnings in the international Green Zone for people to take cover.

A police source said the car bomb in the Karrada district across the river from the Green Zone had also wounded eight other people, according to preliminary reports.

The first two blasts, just minutes apart, appeared to be mortar rounds or rockets and black smoke was seen rising from the area of the Green Zone. The third loud blast came about 20 minutes later and was followed by bursts of gunfire.

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UPDATE, 12:45 pm

A stunningly coherent assessment of America, from Who Is IOZ.

[T]he real Martin Luther King, Jr. was a radical “Christian Socialist” who, like such true Americans as Mark Twain, grew bitter as he aged, appalled at the hoary, violent, incontinent monster that was and is America. I carry no brief for socialism, nor yet for Christianity (as if there’s any particular difference), but I have a squishy spot for anyone who can stand in front of the Lincoln Memorial and decry “the tranquilizing drug of gradualism.” But so be it. It’s our depressing habit to recall black leaders in impotent Christitude. Scourge ‘em and beat ‘em. They love that shit! […]

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There is mention in the thread of Hillareeee (NYCee] and [gasp choke strangle] I have just heard bits of the hearing for Petraeus… and her questioning.  My my.  So tiresome.  I never cared for the stern governess model, not as a child and not now.  But before I do as I once did, pull on my tiny white cotton gloves and flounce away from the authoritarians, let’s have at them:

A good moment to bring up a series that Arthur Silber has over at Once Upon a Time (link goes to Part V, which has links to Parts 1 – IV . I am working my way backward from V to I, about half way). 

He covers, in amongst much, Edwards at Herziliyah, Hillary and her right wing votes and commentary (so tired of the fucking wingers… like the poor they will always be with us… ) and he even slides past Atrios, with several excerpts of him calling for troop increase (oh to be sure, not the vilified “surge”, just the 92K that will cost hundreds of millions, SO progressive!!)…

And if you were to look to the liberal-progressive blogs in hopes of finding a different perspective on this question, you would be sorely disappointed. As just one example out of many, Atrios announced in December:

One thing this latest conversation has done is acknowledge that there aren’t enough troops. So why aren’t all of these patriotic Americans enlisting or calling on their fellow travelers to do so?

Lest you think this was a momentary blip on Atrios’s ideological radar, here is Atrios just the day before:

If Bush had, you know, listened to Kerry we’d already have a bigger military.

According to Atrios, this is yet another indication of the Democrats’ superiority to the feckless Republicans: if only Democrats were in charge, we’d have a bigger, better military sooner.

All of this is utterly fantastic. It is absurd and appalling.

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Oh YUM!  Nothing short of real amusement from SMBIVA.  With pics.  Mayhem in Little Napoleon Land… enjoy!

Every so often I get an unconquerable urge to go trolling over on Daily Kos, and I keep a few sleeper accounts handy for the purpose. Yesterday’s post about John Edwards as rent-boy for the Israel lobby seemed like a good opportunity, so I cross-posted it, slightly edited, on Kos under the admittedly provocative user name ‘hamaschick’.

It was up for about an hour and a half late last night, and accumulated sixty-odd comments before ‘hunter’, that unsleeping Dzerzhinsky of the netroots, dropped the hammer. I saved it here, though, along with all the comments.

As usual, the pathos of the experience was the number of people who apparently know better but still can’t tear themselves away from this maelstrom of futility. My post contained a poll:  {oh snip snap!!]

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UPDATE, 2:59 pm

My my mymymymy.

Stuff like this always blows me away.  Quite aside from mixing in (selling!) Webb, barely arrived and a Reaganite (oh those little Dems, so desperate to spread their legs!) with Barbara Jordan and Paul Wellstone.  Poor Howard is just an evolving commodity by this point.  Sad but true.

That’s my Democratic party. Strong voices from across the map. Voices for the small against the big, the weak against the strong, the powerless against the powerful. The Democratic Party needs to speak for the voiceless and to serve the oppressed and forgotten. I hope that now we will see new Democratic voices step forward and lead the charge.

As counterpoint, my favorite political interview of all time.  Jerry Brown NYT photointerviewing Gore Vidal on Pacifica Radio in the mid 90s.

None of this silliness of the greatness or goodness of the party (the staffers never stop the selling, many of us did notice).  Just some truths.  The way it is…

Yes, yes, yes… the slurrings of the online Dems… quite something to behold.  So in love they are.  There is nothing, I repeat nothing, about politics or politicians to fall in love with

oh yes:  that is right… Monica.  Well, the less said the better…

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UPDATE, 9:20 pm

I have been saying for while that the military, certainly the officer class, is committing suicide by president or CinC..  Early today I read that the top surgeon in Iraq died in the Blackhawk that was brought down last weekend.  And a very big kill of NG.

It was rather worse than that:

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Two colonels, one lieutenant colonel and two command sergeants major were among the 12 soldiers killed last weekend in a Black Hawk helicopter crash northeast of Baghdad, the Pentagon said.

It appeared to be the largest number of key officers and command sergeants killed in a single incident during since the Iraq war started nearly four years ago.

The U.S. command has not said why so many key officers were aboard a single helicopter, which went down Saturday in Diyala province, one of the flashpoints of the Iraq conflict.

It was also unclear why they were traveling in the volatile region. But the loss of such pivotal figures is likely to be a severe blow to their units.

Ten of the dead were members of the National Guard, making it the deadliest single combat incident for the Guard since at least the Korean War, said Mark Allen, a National Guard Bureau spokesman.

A Pentagon statement Wednesday said the victims included Col. Brian D. Allgood, 46, the top U.S. Army surgeon in Iraq, and Col. Paul M. Kelly, 45, assigned to the Joint Force Headquarters of the Virginia Army National Guard in Blackstone, Va.

Other victims were Command Sgt. Maj. Marilyn L. Gabbard, assigned to the Iowa National Guard, and Command Sgt. Maj. Roger W. Haller of the Maryland National Guard.

Command sergeant major is the Army’s highest enlisted grade.

The Army has said the cause of the crash was under investigation. But a Pentagon official has said debris at the crash site indicated the helicopter was downed by a surface-to-air missile.

Others killed in the crash included Lt. Col. David C. Canegata of the Virgin Islands National Guard; Maj. Michael V. Taylor of the Arkansas National Guard; Capt. Sean E. Lyerly of the Texas National Guard; 1st Sgt. William T. Warren of the Arkansas National Guard; Staff Sgt. Darryl D. Booker of the Virginia National Guard; Sgt. 1st Class John Brown of the Arkansas National Guard; Staff Sgt. Floyd E. Lake of the Virgin Islands National Guard; and Cpl. Victor Langarica, 29, of the 86th Signal Battalion, Fort Huachuca, Ariz.

Hopefully we hear more of this flight.

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In related news…. Majority?  Majority… ?? Where for art thou, Majority?  What does it all mean??

WASHINGTON – The leader of a bipartisan effort to rebuk President Bush‘s  Iraq strategy said Thursday he would not strike a compromise with a harsher Democratic resolution the Senate will debate next week.

Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., former chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he won’t negotiate with Democrats to develop a single proposal on Iraq. His comments, along with the emergence of other resolutions the Senate might consider, underscored how a Congress largely against Bush’s proposal to send more troops to Iraq remained divided over what to do about it.

Warner’s decision bolsters chances that his resolution will be the one to win final Senate approval. Democrats are expected to vote for his proposal if their measure fails, and several Republicans said they prefer Warner’s approach because it is less divisive. [snip snap the old drunk wins?]

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At some point today, Kennedy was just losing it oh yes Liberal Lion… this was not one of his patented rants.  Really tearing into the landscape.  Minimum wage not going well.

But I saw quite a bit of what I saw as the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary were visibly unprepared for any real, comprehensive, if losing, battle over Alito:  Sadness. Bitterness. Rage.  Dead brothers, over 40 years in the senate and this… is it. 

I catch glmpses he thinks a stand against the horrific Iraq War his party facilitated may be the last for a Kennedy in the strange place that is Washington DC… the strange place that is America.

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UPDATE, 11:10 pm

A nice view of some of the organisation behind the big march coming up…and this is the close:

There was an election that showed clear consequences,” said Andrew L. Stern, the president of the union [SEIU]. “It’s incumbent on Democrats to express their disagreement with the president.”

While Democrats have shown little reticence speaking against the president’s plan, there is little agreement on the next step. Next week, Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, is convening a hearing to discuss the ways in which Congress can begin blocking the financing for the war, an idea that remains deeply controversial inside the party.

“It’s a walk in the park right now to oppose the idea of this war. It’s also very easy to oppose the escalation,” Mr. Feingold said. “They are once again being too timid and too cautious.”

Oh but Senator… The Grand and Gracious Mr Webb of Virginia suits them jes’ fine. As he walks in the park…

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UPDATE, 1:00 am

I suppose we should not be surprised, Friday’s FP, WaPo:

The decision to use lethal force against Iranians inside Iraq began taking shape last summer, when Israel was at war with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Officials said a group of senior Bush administration officials who regularly attend the highest-level counterterrorism meetings agreed that the conflict provided an opening to portray Iran as a nuclear-ambitious link between al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the death squads in Iraq.

And we all know what the game is… primed as we are:

A senior intelligence officer was more wary of the ambitions of the strategy.

“This has little to do with Iraq. It’s all about pushing Iran’s buttons. It is purely political,” the official said. The official expressed similar views about other new efforts aimed at Iran, suggesting that the United States is escalating toward an unnecessary conflict to shift attention away from Iraq and to blame Iran for the United States’ increasing inability to stanch the violence there.[…]

In interviews, two senior administration officials separately compared the Tehran government to the Nazis and the Guard to the “SS.” They also referred to Guard members as “terrorists.” Such a formal designation could turn Iran’s military into a target of what Bush calls a “war on terror,” with its members potentially held as enemy combatants or in secret CIA detention.

Asked whether such a designation is imminent, Johndroe of the NSC said in a written response that the administration has “long been concerned about the activities of the IRGC and its components throughout the Middle East and beyond.” He added: “The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Quds Force is a part of the Iranian state apparatus that supports and carries out these activities.”

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1. AlanSmithee - 25 January 2007
2. XP - 25 January 2007

It is up to 28 now.

3. NYCee - 25 January 2007

Another yell at the TV moment last night.

Hillary on Countdown, interviewed by Olbermann.

Clinton: Obviously, we have new challenges. It‘s the 21st century. But to squander the budget deficit, to squander the good will of the world after 9/11, to launch a preemptive war, which I said at the time I was against, all that has just caused us so many difficult challenges.

Really, she is hopelessly shameless. She even dished out some warmongering propaganda in explaining her IWR aye back in Oct 2002, that Saddam gave safe harbor to al qaeda terrorists. She beamed when she told Russert, on 9/15/02 (wish I could get full transcript, but couldnt find in my search), just before her IWR vote, that she always had supported REGIME CHANGE in Iraq. She seemed more like a party was in the works, not an immoral, insane war. Sanguine. Chipper. Although the march to war was in full mode. I remember it well because it sickened me and told me how she and many Dems would vote on the res.

Where were her cautions against preventive war on that show? Where was the screaming from her potent bully pulpit when Bush defied the international community, threw out inspectors who had complete access, and started a PREEMPTIVE or, worse, preventive war? Why did she refuse to meet with a single antiwar group, in her own state, in the run up to the war, if she was against preventive war? So derelict in her duty was she in showing any opposition to Bush’s war that a leaflet from one of those groups said “It takes a bomber to raze a village,” and identified Hillary as being shamefully UNavailable to give peace a chance.

She tucked a few nuggets of caution against preemptive war and unilateral action in her IWR senate speech, along with all the excuses and inciting for preemptive war… like sticking a couple of rosebuds in a steaming pile of bullshit.

Sad thing is, for some, for far too many, those rosebuds will do the trick.

4. marisacat - 25 January 2007

Most of the cables are on Beirut today (and for a couple days) but FOX just carried a report that the asault on the GZ was the “most intense in 8 mos”

Onward Christian Soldiers…

5. marisacat - 25 January 2007

god. that bitch. For the war, both of them. Wife and husband. She’s even for torture. And iirc voted for the wall on the SO border.

6. NYCee - 25 January 2007

See that you saw/enjoyed the Carter events on Cspan a few weekends ago, a few posts back, Marisa. And also saw, I think bayprairie’s, link to the Carter=Nazi smears… so sad.

On that:

I caught that Albright panel with Brian Williams (just part of it) and how, at the end, when everyone thought it had wound down quite properly, Carter startled them by standing up and raising hell – he started hammering on the issues in his book (most of them hadnt read): Palestinian suffering due to blatant and unrelenting Israeli land acquistion, the need for an evenhanded solution, an end to colonization. (Love how he doesnt shrink, says Palestinians suffer “horrible” treatment…)

A very inconvenient and unconventional moment, to say the least…

I felt I could see him through their eyes… as if he were what was horrible – had been transformed into an unwashed peace activist… riff raff… Cindy SheehanVille. Off the reservation. Such unseemly behavior for an American ex-president, any American elected or appointed political (or media) figure ON the record. So NOT the protocol. That would be: Do NOT uncover the mastadon – our fucked up Israel policy – in the middle of the room, under the rug where it is swept. Walk around it, continue polite chatter – continue fucking up ME policy. That is The Way. The ONLY way in the US. But now Carter has gone further down a different path. Out of the mainstream and to the moon (might as well be! So he is very alone on this. Very strange sensation, to watch that scene. For a few seconds, I saw him framed as fried fringe… in their eyes.

I think I have read where Brezinski has supported his book without qualifying, but he isnt a front page player… an elected official or major face in the media. But he will have so little help. Just look how Conyers dissed his marvelous title. All the clucking. Conyers also made sure to distance himself from Ray McGovern when he testified at his basement hearing on Iraq… Downing St Memo days. McGovern said Israel was part of the Iraq war equation. Conyers felt he had to publicly oppose that, as quoted in the NYTimes. Looks like The Lobby got to him but good.)

It will take massive public resistance to our Israel policy to change Congress. (The idiot in the WH feels beholden to no one, so forget him.) This is increasing but it is slow and time is running out.

I am chilled when I hear of the planning for war on Iran (slowed down only due to the Iraq mess), combined with the escalating threats from Israel/Olmert to “take care” of the problem if the US wont. I am scared to death… given where Congress is when it comes to Israel. They have been thoroughly conditioned to spoil it like a most favored child and march without question to its tune.

7. NYCee - 25 January 2007

More reasons for ME love for the spoiled child – aka our 51st state of Israel – and the doting tycoon uberpower/parent that is U.S.

sweets and hugs and kisses …

Palestinians in Gaza suffer record poverty: Abbas

US deprivations and interference due to Hamas being duly elected (insert blood curdling scream at the mention of the Hamas word) is play most foul. fucking should have let the Hamas govt take its course, at least observe business as usual, the shitty status quo. but no, had to make it worse – meddle, deprive, propagandize and distort… as if it could be any worse. but it can. as we continually see…

I hope Rep Ackerman, so proud of his sanctions res, is happy now.

hearts and minds…

8. marisacat - 25 January 2007

well w/r/t Conyers… hope for a better day but best always to withhold hero love.

The recoil from Carter’s pretty straight forward little book, from McGovern and so on.

And he is very safe with his district. But still needs AIPAC love it seems. Or wants the cash.

Frankly I dislike them all. I am long since tired of being thankful for what very very very little they every bother to do.

9. marisacat - 25 January 2007

I just finished the thread to the SMBIVA spurious diary at Dkos. They are soooo earnest. And so lame.

10. supervixen - 25 January 2007

the Dkos troll-paranoia is an amusing thing. Almost makes me want to follow in the fellow’s footsteps and sign up for a bunch of “sleeper accounts” just to poke them with a stick once in a while….

11. bayprairie - 25 January 2007

surging for dollar$.

When it comes to political contributions and the progressive movement, the flow of money is almost entirely one-way. To the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, it is sucked out of the movement, and pocketed by the establishment. This is yet another reason why the recent New York Times article about progressive bloggers supposedly being on the take was absurd. As a handful of progressive bloggers are criticized for picking up the occasional establishment consulting job, the progressive netroots as a whole funnels exponentially more money into the establishment while receiving virtually no help in return when it comes to building our movement. What progressive organizations do anything to help support the same bloggers they rely upon in order to spread their message? Almost none. What Democratic politicians who post diaries on blogs like Dailykos use their PACs to give money to movement building organizations like BlogPac or Blogger Power? During my tenure as treasurer for BlogPac, the only leadership PAC that has given us any money or resources was Senator Russ Feingold’s Progressive Patriots Fund (and yes, I did ask quite a few others). Leadership PACs, multi-issue advocacy organizations, large progressive donors—these are establishment elements that could make a huge difference in ensuring the survival and long term growth of the progressive movement in the same way that the progressive movement has exponentially enhanced the electoral, media and activist capability of the entire progressive ecosystem. But that isn’t happening, and the money still continues to flow almost entirely in one direction. As we enhance their structures, many of ours regularly teeter on the verge of outright collapse.

This situation is untenable over the long term, and so in our dealings with members of the progressive establishment we can’t stay quiet about it anymore. When major figures in the progressive establishment post diaries on blogs such as Dailykos, commenters need to remind them of ways they can help build the progressive movement. Tell them to purchase Blogads on progressive blogs in their home state. Tell them to have their leadership PACs donate to organizations such as BlogPac, and to have their donors to the same…

all your money are belong to us! heehee

gotta hand it to the boyos, though. at least they’re transparent about the issues that truly interest them. with intense “movement dedication” such as this i suppose they’ll be standing next to all the stoplights in town by this time next year with the dixie cup out and a little homemade sign that says bless you jesus.

oh? they tried that already? but it didn’t cover the bar bill? (hic)

12. bayprairie - 25 January 2007

SMBIVA rules! i think the diary has shown a side of at least one edwards supporter (waving at sallycat) that’s not particularly attractive. what’s really funny is all of the troll hunters assume that the political viewpoint of the poster issues from the right. wonder why that is?

oh marisa! i also just posted a little comment with too many hypertext links in it. could you fish it out of wherever they go please?

13. marisacat - 25 January 2007

Is that the Bowers slobber? Yeah there is one at BMT too, wound around Hillary… but weaving in a whine for medical insurance. SOmeone should buy it for the net roots cheerleaders.

What about a political party did they miss?

The heavy money in right wing politics is not essentially R, the R party is a tool of the Right Wing.

That is a nuance to pick up on.

I really recommend the unblocked Atlantic profile of hillary.. and just a hint of hwere her claws are. In short, too many places, from Media Matters (boys should know) to DA to CAP.

Call Bill. He once was interested. LOL.

14. marisacat - 25 January 2007

Welll…. FDL raised 65 K for Marcy’s book. A vanity press publication. Why did a publisher not pick it up? There are smaller political publishers…

TalkLeft passed the hat for two separate trips to DC from Denver to cover Scooter.

They made their choices in what to support.

15. supervixen - 25 January 2007

For all the “new journalism” “new new new” bullshit, these people are firmly stuck in the old paradigm. They all want to be George Will: a TV pundit who gets asked to the cocktail parties and writes some books, and sometimes gets to hang out in baseball locker rooms. And George Will is himself a faded xerox of the old paradigm – he’s an ersatz Wm. F. Buckley, the bow tie without the brains or the vocabulary.

They don’t actually want to be in POLITICS – they want to be in PUNDITRY. They want to be famous and authoritative and on TV, but without all the bother of acquiring credentials. They are all MSOCs.

16. Medley - 25 January 2007

A long time ago (in internet years) after the first wave of webloggers had come along (most of us were techies with some non-tech interests at the time), there began the wave of webloggers quitting.

Sometimes dramatically flouncing off, sometimes just getting bored.. some disappointed that the new weblogging phenomenon hadn’t ‘changed the world’ or whatever — this was back in 2000 or so – I was blogging about Gore at the time, but there weren’t many political bloggers yet. Ironically, the first wave of so-called webloggers were incredibly ignorant of the ‘online journallers’ (mostly women) who had come before them in the mid-90s. Just as the Big Box Blogs think they invented ‘blogging’ and that it didn’t exist before 2001. Typical American absence of any sense of history. Anyway…

I remember one of the early webloggers commenting on the wave of dramatic exits and saying something to the effect of: the newbies will come and go, and after all the dust settles, some of us will still be here, typing away.

The engine behind the wave of political blogging that started in ’01 and ’02 has lasted pretty well – longer than I expected, actually — but all this whining and scrambling for cash may be the sign of the end. At least a certain kind of end.

And, once again, after the dust settles, those who are using the medium as citizens to simply *speak* will still be here. Typing away. Forming actual small communities and networks. I do have some small bit of optimism about that, if not much else.

17. marisacat - 25 January 2007

And, once again, after the dust settles, those who are using the medium as citizens to simply *speak* will still be here -Medley

yeah I agree… tho I surely have no such extended history. I read bulletin boards and some alt or usenet sites… but did not comment on political sites til I landed at Atrios and Kos and whoever else. I think I first was reading Alterman on MSBC then Josh Marshall at his old TPM… . Something like that in roughly that order.

The hard remake into (fully) retail politics tied to the party was a great pity. I heard in 2004 it was specifically done to pull them along and mute criticism.

Sure worked in a messy clumsy way..

18. Miss Devore - 25 January 2007

Too damn busy right now to follow things in depth.

Help me understand the 2008 prez contest in context of the ’94 figure skating Olympics.

Who is Tonya Harding, who is Nancy Kerrigan, who is Michelle Kwan, and who is the Oksana Baiul to take it all?

I’m thinking hillary is tonya, edwards is kerrigan, obama is michelle kwan and oksana?

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2007

I got involved much as Marisacat did … only one of my first exposures to political blogging was Bartcop … found dkos and many of the rest from links there. Started to enjoy that there were smart folk like Marisacat and Colleen and others who made me feel a little less nuts.

It’s too bad the operatives, bullies and internet stock touters became so damned overwhelming.

20. marisacat - 25 January 2007

Miss Devore… GRREat analogy.

Maybe Oksana is the Republican. Who knows… ;)

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 January 2007
22. marisacat - 25 January 2007

btw I read yesterday that the 5 (think that is the number) mercs on the heli were shot in the back of the head.

ugh. I just feel we are overdue for some horror. SOmething not unlike blowing the UN mission and killing De Mello.

Late today I heard on the BBC that it was 3 mortars or shells that the GZ was hit with this am (evening there).

I caught John Burns last night on CRose for an hour. I cannot stand either of them… but I will listen. And thru the half this, quarter of that… Burns is terrified. It is clear, whether we stay or go the whole region is gonna blow. This year, next year, the year after.

Well they demanded it. Charlie assisted AEI and MEI and JINSA and AIPAC and Fouad and Bernard Lewis and Kenan Makiya and and and and and and John Burns sold himself as Greek God Journo by way of London – New York – Baghdad.

Fuck them all.

23. supervixen - 25 January 2007

I think we’re overdue for something happening here on on our own soil. They don’t need glamorous stuff like hijacked airliners flying into skyscrapers, or WMDs dealing death by the thousands or millions – all they need to get a Reign of Terror going in the US are a few guys walking into pizza parlors and blowing themselves up, or driving a suicide bomb truck into a mall, etc. I’m surprised this hasn’t happened already. Unless the Al Qaeda Domestic Terrorism campaign shot its bolt on 9/11, which is what I’ve suspected all along.

24. Miss Devore - 25 January 2007

I went the old TPM route, ditched him after I couldn’t stomach his recommended K.Pollack view on the war-to-be, hung with Atrios for a bit then bit on the dk that would bite back.

Obviously Marisicat and others are the next stop.

Someone,in some endless metathread yesterday at the ruinedcitruscrop, simply said: with all that is going on, why is this being discussed?

kosmerican idol, indeed.

I’m going to retreat into some huge anthology of American lit for awhile.

25. marisacat - 25 January 2007

oh yeah Josh was very eazy squeezy on the war. UGly. As was Yglesias and others. That tiresome Alterman too.. Baby and post grad hawks.

AWFUL!!

Josh is a self described “Zionist” – so maybe no surprise.

26. supervixen - 25 January 2007

They all like to rattle the sabers and pound their chests. Even, sad to say, a lot of the left wing.

It’s not only political expediency and avoiding looking like a terrorist sympathizer, etc. It’s also because it’s FUN and gratifying. To be hawkish is to be an Alpha Dog, or at least an aspiring one.

27. marisacat - 25 January 2007

and yet they are such fops. From the DC Hound Dogs to the little Blahgger wannabe Doggie Wogs.

The stories of Negroponte at the spa every day, phoning from by the pool (this while he was at the alpine peak of the DC Intell whatever it is) being massaged, then off for tea.

Stories of Scooter in full rodeo gear at the Cheney home in WY… hmm

Debauched killers.

America too.

28. D. Throat - 26 January 2007

Yeah the money thing….

Hilliary blew them off… a few ads but no contact.

Right after she announced their was a snivelling recommended diary that she MUST show her face on DK… to no avail. Hill side stepped the babbling hoards and created her own internet conversation on her own site.

Hill is going INDEPENDENT this campaign … if she can not buy an org or pol outright she will create her own… like she has done with paralleling all of the actions the DNC since she could not buy the DNC and get rid of Dean.

29. D. Throat - 26 January 2007

Have you read the RS article on Gore

What was most interesting was the “sources” Dickerson choose to interview…Kos, Rosenberg, Trippi and Carville…have you ever seen a more cynica,l anti democratic, anti-grassroots delegation ever… but of course it was all about how much money Gore would pull in over the internet…

30. D. Throat - 26 January 2007

Political Scientist Tom Schaller appears on “The Colbert Report” to discuss Whistling Past Dixie, a transformative challenge to Democrats: Build a winning coalition outside the South.

[Gee sounds like he don’t want Democratic operatives running around Missippi picking their noses. Also din’t Schaller write this book a year ago… why is he now getting national “liberal” media play. I think Colbert figured it out…]

Colbert 1.26 : For all I know you are a Republican trying to torpedo the Democrats by telling them not to go to the south

Geuss who he is “good friends of”… the DLC wanabe???

First of all this flies in the face of the aready successful 50 State strategy. And Prof. Dr. Schaller makes no mention of Dems cutting off the largest population of Blacks in the country.

Schaller made sure to bring up all of the “liberal” bugaboos “Democrats are the party of Gay Marriage”…gee I thought it was the party of civil rights. No wonder this idiot was courted at Yearly Kos in a panel about the south with NO BLACKS.

Then there was the inevitable “We need to win how Clinton won”… Looks like Hilliary’s DLC is preparing to push Blacks over board once and for all this election. Good thing Obama has vowed to up hold those old timey pre-70 pet issues like Civil Rights…not.

31. marisacat - 26 January 2007

hmm well I also see Luntz and Dick Morris.

So a complete line-up of sheisters.

Kos, Carville, Simon R and whoever fit right in.

Wallow in the greasy clover… ;P

32. marisacat - 26 January 2007

yes I agree on what is inside the Schaller message. No desire to register poor blacks, blacks at all nor poor whites in the south. But I think long term it is hard to write off a whole section of the country, you have to build bpopular vote, even in regions wehre you do not “win”..

Besides why be coy… they luv luv luv their Webb and Shuler, both call themselves SOutehrn Mountain Men.

Many Southerners tried at Dkos, the smart and wise ones were run off.

And I do recall that Schaller did a FP piece at Dkos on torture. He was fine with the old ticking bomb thang. Also he wrote it a week after Sy hersh (and CBS) broke AG. he wrote on torture and had nto bothered to read Hersh.

Oh bow wow. Bunch of dogs.

33. D. Throat - 26 January 2007

Yup

Schaller: Let the slave states be slave states.

Last refuge of white superiority. Schaller has the DLC rhetoric down to a tee of presenting right wing ideologies and issues in progressive liberal sheeps clothing.

Schaller is one of many setting the stage for Hilliary’s DLC which was started by Southern Democratic white supremist basically saying which is shy they need a “Black face” frontman in the race to stave off complaints.

“Attention Democrats Hands off the South

Watch the Schaller video and count how many times he says “liberal” but not with integrity but as Rush or Bill would say it with the intention to scare. “KEEP FEAR ALIVE”

34. marisacat - 26 January 2007

well the DLC has plenty of blacks. at least a third of the CBC is up to their neck in the DLC.

Obama played footsie with them. And Edwards def was at the Denver “conversation” last summer. He is classic DLC. And the truth came out in the Herzliyah conf.

LOL. And Chocolate FOuntain Warner, tho Kos was frantic to say he is not DLC.

GMAFB!!

I read that Vilsack saying relatively straightforward things on Iraq is why Ford is being brought in. And that is part of it.

We all know where the DLC operate from.


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