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Going to be a loooong two years 29 January 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC.
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  The NervelessNocks at Cirque Equinox 

I landed on this over the weekend, from Scott Lemieux at TAPPED.  The first part seemed just impenetrable to me so I had to go to the original post SL was referring to, at Atrios.

Honestly, I never say STFU (nor am I now, hell, have at it), but cough up the transcripts of the hearings and transcripts of the Clinton depo, the reams of cable and media and punditry finger shaking…  the many years of it.  And on and on, why don’t you.  Might as well.

And believe me, by then, Clinton, who first irritated me, disgusted me.  For rampant tumescent stupidity.  For his R policies and sell outs.  For his clear, early failures, for going soft as early as late spring of ’03…  

I still think it was a well sprung sting.  Think for a moment that Linda Tripp (with Lucianne over her shoulder) testified in 4 “gates”.  Christmas card gate (Waxman is specifically benefitting from expanded powers that Dan Burton muscled thru for his chairmanship for subpoena and hearing powers), File Gate, Travel Gate and Monica Gate.  Gee.  You tell me.

D Throat posted this in the previous thread“I wrote it, but I wuz taken in!, Taken in I tell you!  …by the RW machine – and now I beg forgiveness of the assembled Good Progs”… whatever!  Kiss a cultist!

A couple of weeks ago when I posted some tart commentary on Kerry, I got an email (friendly email) that thought I was relying on the SBV.  Heavens no no no….  I did not need them.  I did pay attention to them, to the early salvos (late April and May of ’04) then the ”resurgence” in August (during the intervening time they never “went away”, they went to ground, going local). And I certainly remembered John O’Neil.  It, and they, were going to be big trouble.  I heard that Dick Schoen, a nice enough Dem consultant who goes on FOX a lot, remarked off camera to Hannity that the SBV had receded and would be no trouble.  Hannity informed him he would “drive it and drive it” and invited DS to watch him do it.

And Hannity did, they all did.

Summer of ’03 at Dkos, someone posted some questions about Kerry and the anti-war activities in the early 70s, specifically the medals toss.  A fervent supporter of Kerry’s just. lost. it.  Freaked out.  Elsewhere at times I would read comments that “everybody understood about Vietnam, it would not be a problem”.  Massively unobservant of public discourse in the United States, and for decades.  There is no public consensus on Vietnam (and now, if you notice, we have a new, hideously divisive war).  None.

When the Kerry supporter flailed, early and hard, I sat down to remember (and google) some of the pertinent pieces of that tortured time.   It was not going to be pretty if Kerry were the nom.

Hillary says, clean up that battlespace sonny.

A long long two years ahead, between Hillary already wearing the Chatelaine’s keys (dragging Bill behind her) and the Rs re-assembling.  Carville is on ABC pushing Hillary.  One of the top R strategists/pollsters is up against him… a woman, Kelly Ann Conway.  We shove out the soggy swamp fella from 15 years ago, they put out one of their hard drivers.

It is not going to be pretty.

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UPDATE, 12:57 pm

Frank Rich on Hillary’s recent efforts, if TruthOut posts the full text will link to it.

The image that Mrs. Clinton wants to sell is summed up by her frequent invocation of the word middle, as in “I grew up in a middle-class family in the middle of America.” She’s not left or right, you see, but exactly in the center where everyone feels safe. But as the fierce war critic Chuck Hagel, the Republican senator from Nebraska, argues in a must-read interview at gq.com, the war is “starting to redefine the political landscape” and scramble the old party labels. Like Mrs. Clinton, the middle-American Mr. Hagel voted to authorize the Iraq war, but that has not impeded his leadership in questioning it ever since.

The issue raised by the tragedy of Iraq is not who’s on the left or the right, but who is in front and who is behind. Mrs. Clinton has always been a follower of public opinion on the war, not a leader. Now events are outrunning her. Support for the war both in the polls and among Republicans in Congress is plummeting faster than she can recalibrate her rhetoric; unreliable Iraqi troops are already proving no-shows in the new Iraqi-American “joint patrols” of Baghdad; the Congressional showdown over fresh appropriations for Iraq is just weeks away.

This, in other words, is a moment of crisis in our history and there will be no do-overs. Should Mrs. Clinton actually seek unfiltered exposure to voters, she will learn that they are anxiously waiting to see just who in Washington is brave enough to act.

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UPDATE, 10:30 pm

Oooo this has lovely dry lack of respect ;)  Americans are so foolish to fall for the siren song demands for respect and civility in, of all things, politics.

[A]nd, like Ronnie, he has a plain-spoken charm. Show the people a picture of your hero dad. Throw in tributes to Roosevelt and Ike. Do nothing to trouble the Republican spin doctors who dub you “the most conservative Democrat in the party” – because that’s good news, not bad.

You won in Virginia, in part, because on issues such as affirmative action and gun control, you were somewhere due west of your Republican foe. And you look so alluring now because a marine hero who wants troops out of Iraq and also wants Bush to fly to Tehran for talks with the president there fits perfectly with any obvious Democratic prescription for success.

Yes:  you can be the anti-war candidate the National Rifle Association loves. Yes:  you can be tough on Bin Laden and mass immigration and free trade at the same time. You could even be a transplanted Daily Mail reader if you try hard enough.  [...]

And a last bit:

There was always a favoured succession somewhere. But this time, on either side, there is not only no evident succession, but also no continuing consensus of conviction. All contestants welcome, and the theme that happens to hit a chord can produce an American idol. The power of the party machines is feebler than ever, because they have no favourite candidate. The direction the country must take, once a heartily despised president departs, is unsettled going on totally uncharted.

It’s a vacuum to register with unease. Maybe Britain, in its more fevered moments, is desperate for Blair to go, for Brown to come, for leadership to define and renew and exert itself. The supposed problems of drift are vividly sketched in ubiquitous print.

But here’s the great power, where most things begin, with two vacant, swilling years to go – and nobody has a blind idea what comes next.

I suppose we should panic, if we had the energy left.  Or at least I have hardly any to give to the great vacuum…

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UPDATE, 1:30 am Tuesday…

From Angry Arab

I hereby declare the official beginning of the American presidential campaign season.

Here is Sen. Edwards: “The relationship between Israel and the United States “is extraordinarily important and vital to the strength of both of our countries,” said Edwards. “It is a bond that can never be broken,” he added.” OK.

Now, Sen. McCain: “Sen. John McCain prescribes strengthening Israel’s ties to NATO. “American support for Israel should intensify,” he says. “The enemies are too numerous, the margin of error too small, and shared values too great.”

And now, Sen. Obama: “Obama has cultivated a solidly pro-Israel record, and he visited the Jewish state last year.”

Even Gov. Vilsack of Iowa has recently visited Israel. Good night.

Pretty much… drop the noose, put the head in.  Release the trap door. 

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UPDATE, 2:55 am Tuesday…

hmmm.  Lame duck?  You think?

[P]eter L. Strauss, a professor at Columbia Law School, said the executive order “achieves a major increase in White House control over domestic government.”

“Having lost control of Congress,” Mr. Strauss said, “the president is doing what he can to increase his control of the executive branch.”

Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California and chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said: “The executive order allows the political staff at the White House to dictate decisions on health and safety issues, even if the government’s own impartial experts disagree. This is a terrible way to govern, but great news for special interests.”

Business groups hailed the initiative.

“This is the most serious attempt by any chief executive to get control over the regulatory process, which spews out thousands of regulations a year,” said William L. Kovacs, a vice president of the United States Chamber of Commerce. “Because of the executive order, regulations will be less onerous and more reasonable. Federal officials will have to pay more attention to the costs imposed on business, state and local governments, and society.” [snip]

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1. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 January 2007

The Republicans will own the debate over Iraq, as the cowardly Dems “running” (LOL) for President refuse to stand for anything. They will run to the “left” of Bush/Cheney, which leaves them safely in Goldwater territory, while the Donks flail about in the middle of nothing, standing for nothing, believing in nothing, fighting for nothing.

Oh for a real left represented in DC.

2. Miss Devore - 29 January 2007

Hagelian.

He’s on the wrong side of liberals on many domestic issues, but he’s been spot on about Iraq, and I think he has some problems with domestic spying, to his credit.

I’m hoping Russ Feingold will step in to interfere.

Otherwise what democrat is as passionately anti-war and pro-civil liberties? (Clark, like Hillary, want flag-kissing.)

If your answer wasn’t Elizabeth Holtzmann, take the quiz again!

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 January 2007

Feingold has hearings starting tomorrow about reasserting Congress’s authority as a coequal branch of gov’t:

Tomorrow, I will be chairing a full Judiciary Committee hearing entitled “Exercising Congress’s Constitutional Power to End a War.” This hearing will help remind my colleagues in the Senate and the American public that Congress is not powerless – even when it acts that way. We have the power to stop the policies of a President that continue to hurt our national security. Soon after tomorrow’s hearing, I will introduce legislation to do just that.

4. Miss Devore - 29 January 2007

On Wisconsin.

Break right through that lyin’

5. Miss Devore - 29 January 2007

Kostalgia:

“No shit (0 / 0
Of course it is uncalled for. Your juvenile reaction to a silly diary as if the world was coming to an end is INCREDIBLY UNCALLED FOR.
I realize nowe what was good about the good old days at daily kos, we did not have any idiots who thought these stupid fights mattered.
Now, it seems that we all think thewy matter.
Grow the fuck up. Geek.
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:28:08 PM PST
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The good old days…before they banned a whole host of posters, and replaced them with folks like this:

heh…you said “flaccid”…nt (3+ / 0-)
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by Elise on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 06:05:27 PM PST

my bad. (6+ / 0-)
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that was a boner of mine and for that ejaculation, i am sorry.
. . . “…Repeat, the dog pisses on the gardenia at midnight. Over.”…
by dadanation ”
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titter-titter. the blogmaids make allusions to hard penises! how darling.

like they say, that site is dedicated to winning erections for demoflats.

6. marisacat - 29 January 2007

Madman…thanks for posting that… I had thought nothing much would start til the 4th or so.

I will be watching.

7. marisacat - 29 January 2007

Oh that is a scream!

Drahma Tent yearns for the Good Old Days… Little Kos on the Prairie days…I guess. Well that is just so appropriate. What a hoot!

And it seems Elise is fwustwated.

Or something.

8. Miss Devore - 29 January 2007

Ug. I’m disappointed that KO featured Hillary coming down on Iraq. (read: You ain’t gonna leave this war to my presidency)

9. marisacat - 29 January 2007

Oh I found that whole set of quotes from her from Sunday reprehensible: Clean up the Battlespace, Mom is taking over!

Bullshit.

The mother/governess crap is gonna wear thin fast.

10. bayprairie - 29 January 2007

oh! must go see! :::hic:::

also, i just fired off a three link comment. looks like it’s headed directly at the trash can!

11. bayprairie - 29 January 2007

in regards to this news item,

WASHINGTON — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and two other prominent Democrats (
Rep. Rahm Emanuel and Sen. Evan Bayh) have failed to disclose they are officers of family charities, in violation of a law requiring members of Congress to report non-profit leadership roles.

donKos preached this sermonette from pulpit perch:

Some of those darn corrupt Democrats are giving money to charity! The horrors! Actually, if they are required to report their involvement in charitable trusts, they should, and will, amend their disclosure reports. But how much of a story is this really?

well that would depend.

admirers praised DeLay as a hero to foster children, having drawn attention to their needs, taken them into his home, and especially raised millions of dollars through the DeLay Foundation for Kids.

::snip::

But his critics have also noted DeLay’s work on behalf of foster children — as a way for companies to give unregulated and undisclosed funds to a charity controlled by DeLay, in order to get in his good graces.

”It looks good on the surface, but it’s rotten,” said Fred Lewis, president of Campaigns for People, a Texas nonprofit group. ”It’s not about benefiting children, and it’s not about benefiting charity. It’s about allowing another way for the donors to get their hooks into politicians.”

a little daylight won’t hurt the honest amongst the donks. imho kos seems to show a smidge of contempt for the intelligence of his whacks with pithy shit like that. anywho, something else i also noticed earlier:

Médecins Sans Frontieres — also known as Doctors Without Borders, a French medical charity — has long practiced a form of discipline that may cause other nonprofits to squirm.

For more than a decade, it has declined financial support from corporations whose activities conflict with its mission and principles, recently adding some medical-device makers and biotechnology companies.

i wonder if they have declined contributions from chevron?

perhaps if the chevron environmentalist drives by to pour some “big oil” on the “nasty” waters hereabouts, or lay down some of that textual sominex he’s noted for, i’ll try and remember to ask him if he has a clue.

12. Miss Devore - 29 January 2007

po-elise really wants to rip the bonnet off mcjoseywail’s head.

my advice: ask pastordan to say a leedle prayer for ewe.

13. marisacat - 29 January 2007

There also was a 3 pager at LATimes about Reid and his land deal in the desert. I think it was on Saturday I read it …and then forgot about it.

The Dem ethics bill is loaded with loopholes. NOt that it matters.

LOL…

14. bayprairie - 30 January 2007

yeah i saw the latimes piece sunday early a.m. i think. i recall reid paid 166 bucks an acre to buy out some partner. and then i did the same thing you did, forgot about it.

in the interests of accuracy i did drop a blockquote plus i omitted a link in my comment above. should be:

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donKos preached this sermonette from pulpit perch:

Some of those darn corrupt Democrats are giving money to charity! The horrors! Actually, if they are required to report their involvement in charitable trusts, they should, and will, amend their disclosure reports. But how much of a story is this really?

15. supervixen - 30 January 2007

What could be sexier than this interaction – the height of eroticism:

who needs plastic beads when (1+ / 0-)
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you’ve got a hottie?

Of course…I don’t show my goods without seeing some in return…

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by Elise on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:20:30 PM PST

[ Parent ]

You show me yours . . . ? (1+ / 0-)
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More at TalkLeft

by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:31:48 PM PST

[ Parent ]

We should at least film it and make some (0 / 0)
money off of it…Kossacks Gone Wild…

lol

Read Feminisms Wednesdays and Take Action

by Elise on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:05:53 AM PST

I’m sure Elise is talking about a charitable trust.

16. marisacat - 30 January 2007

well reading tax law as applies to charitable trusts would sure beat out Blog Maid sex.

17. supervixen - 30 January 2007

I love that line: “We should at least film it and make some money off of it”. It’s so American.

18. supervixen - 30 January 2007

Blog Maid Sex… frightening thought. I see women wearing Playtex rubber gloves.

19. spiderleaf - 30 January 2007

So let me get this straight.

Typos or poor grammar in diaries = verboten, scream-worthy, and “de-classes” the place

Sex chat in a thread = Priceless.

Riiiight. Now I get the appeal of the place. A bunch of losers whacking off in their basements. Yup, that’s who I want running things FER SURE.

But of course they have a TON of money to give to candidates because they never actually GO anywhere they’d have to pay for… not even porn sites, they’ve apparantely got that covered.

Claaaaaaasssssssy.

20. D. Throat - 30 January 2007

Two verrrrrrry verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry loooooooooooooong years:

I would have. (0 / 0)

But I would have needed an Oxygen mask to do it.

As for my diary, you miss my point entirely. I understand you do not like her, but if a majority of Democrats do, and nominate her, who are you to say you will not vote for her in the general?

Now that is your right as a citizen. But you cannot remain a Democrat or here at Daily Kos at that point.

Take me for instance….I strongly dislike John Edwards. I think he is a Communist of the first order. And he has just as good of a chance as Hillary to win the nomination. But if he is nominated by a majority of my party, I will grin and bear it…and I will vote for him and to what I must to make sure he wins.

My Photoblog, Milhouse’s Glasses.

by Delaware Dem on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 11:41:18 AM PST

Where do they find these cretins?

21. marisacat - 30 January 2007

All Hail the Wimperium!

Genuflect to the Flaccidity! (Blog Maid Job)

Sorry… it is like reconstructing salvage from an abattoir and calling the construction human.

Who are these people?

22. D. Throat - 30 January 2007

Funny thing is that the rabble is so well trained that no one even dares to troll rate that garbage. How many FP has Kos written on “Supporter Ettiquette???”… lots and I would guess calling another Dem a communists… cuz he (supposedly) wants to protect the poor… is kinda breaking the rulz… but again this is Koslandia where rulz don’t apply to the White Boyz.

23. marisacat - 30 January 2007

hmmm. Love the extended sub thread. WIth jbou all ”supportive” of the dissident faction. He did, and may still, work at a Democratic call center/fundraiser boilerplate.

And he did go thru a period of slapping zeros on my comments.

Gotta love the little snots.

24. marisacat - 30 January 2007

Well Del Dem is a party tool. Carte Blanche to be a fucking asshole. LOL

25. JJB - 30 January 2007

Miss Devore,

I feel BTD/Armando’s pain. For me, the good old days at Big Orange Slop were all prior to his arrival, which as I recall was sometime in late 2003, or maybe early 2004. Just as primary season was about to commence, though I’m sure that was coincidental . . .

BTW, the people recommending each other in that string of comments you have there are for the most part the resident thread thug/Rat Patrol. They spend most of their time looking for people to label as trolls, then stalk them with abusive comments and “0s” until they either quit in frustration, or get autobanned. Some creep calling himself musing85 is another one always to be found in the scrum-like pile on. If it weren’t for all those alleged conspiracy theory diaries they do their work in, they’d have very little in the way of comments, and would probably not be trusted users as there’s be no place for them to post the abusive remarks they uprate for each other.

Things are getting really ugly over there. Check out this:

Fine.. (0 / 0)
Please let us know if our nominee does not please you. For your presence here at a Democratic site will no longer be appropriate.
by Delaware Dem on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:35:36 PM EST

So by your own logic… (3+ / 0-)
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if the Democrats were to nominate someone like Joe Lieberman for pres, or if Mccain switches parties and gets the Democratic nomination, they’ve got your vote, I assume.
And don’t bother replying that the above scenario is unrealistic. You are the one with the “my party no matter what, no exceptions” attitude. Karl Rove would love to have someone like yourself on board…
by cometman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:41:01 PM EST
I will only be told (0+ / 5-)
Trollrated by: Delaware Dem, Nonpartisan, profmatt, mentaldebris, tipsymcstagger
what to do by somebody who can pass the bar in Delaware.
by kd texan on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:49:07 PM EST
Whoops (0 / 0)
I guess Beau Biden’s screwed, then.
by Nonpartisan on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:50:16 PM EST
[new] And on secod read (2+ / 0-)
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Troll-rated for nasty ad-hominem attacks.
Geez, when I have to defend DD, it’s pretty bad.
by Nonpartisan on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:51:00 PM EST
Looks like a snark to me. Why TR? nt (0 / 0)
by polecat on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:57:11 PM EST
DD has stated (0 / 0)
that he was unable to pass the bar in Delaware. KD’s statement is a personal attack.
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by Nonpartisan on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 02:59:26 PM EST
Agree. Troll rated. (0 / 0)
Kd, please get a grip.
by Delaware Dem on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:03:32 PM EST

It’s only going to get worse as the Dems get more and more cowardly on the Iraq war issue, and look to find talking points that won’t offend wingnuts when it comes to issues like abortion, teaching “Intelligent” Design, flag burning amendments, etc. If you aren’t willing to parrot every mealy-mouthed Dem talking point, you’re going to get quite a pummeling.

26. JJB - 30 January 2007

Planning on visiting Canada anytime soon? You might want to work in some extra time for being hassled at customs into your intinerary:

Why are you travelling so often to Canada?” the tough U.S. border guard barked. I was on Amtrak, going from New York to Montreal, as I’d done dozen of times before over several decades. This was my first experience (summer 2006) of the increasingly standard and intrusive “U.S. Exit Interviews” on trains crossing the border. I’ve been hassled on every train crossing since then, most recently January 2007. The U.S. now has a combined FBI-compiled file of all arrests and charges at all government levels for millions of Americans, and this is instantly viewable by police in many jurisdictions, including border officials of the U.S. and most other countries. In some cities, local police can access this file via one’s license plate. The files do NOT show the favorable disposition of arrests that did not lead to charges or of dismissals and findings of innocence. “And what’s this entry stamp from Canada, with no country of departure? Was that from Cuba? You know U.S. citizens may not travel to Cuba–you could be imprisoned and fined.”

This line of questioning has been part of every exit interview since. The first time, the guard took my passport and kept it for about 30 minutes. Others–Canadians and foreigners as well as U.S. citizens–were getting similar queries, but mine took much longer. “We’ll let the Canadians handle this,” the guard said as he handed back the passport. Moments later, across the border, I heard a Quebecois immigration agent tell her colleague, gesturing at me, “He’s the one.” She, too, took my passport for quite awhile. “She came back with information from my FBI file– I have a long record of political arrests from civil rights and anti-war actions. The Canadians said the FBI file showed a conviction in 1970 for a draft-board sit-in. The agent said I would be admitted only for two weeks and could not re-enter until my file was fully investigated. She told me she understood the conviction was for a political act with which “Canada agreed at the time,” but said the Canadians had an agreement with the U.S. to investigate such cases.

Two weeks after I returned from Canada, the Canadian immigration agent called me: “We have fully investigated your dossier–you have been approved and are welcome to return when you wish.” Since that time, I continue to be hassled by the U.S. “exit” police, but I am always dealt with quickly and politely by the Canadians. It is clear from my experience–as well as that of U.S. Green Party and peace activists barred from entering Canada during anti-globalization demonstrations two years ago, that a million or more former peaceniks and other radicals will now see more and more attempts to keep them at home.

Most Americans are unaware of the new police state procedures of U.S. officials who seek to keep millions of Americans from traveling–including trips across the border to our North, once thought the least difficult international frontier in the world to cross. There are now regular stops an “internal” checkpoints for cars traveling toward, away from or near the border in states from Maine to Washington. This includes permanent checkpoints on interstates one hundred or more miles from the border in New York and Vermont, as well as moving patrols who stop motorists in all parts of the border states. Some have called these “whiteness checkpoints,” since the border guards often pull over dark-skinned motorists and people perceived as Middle Easterners. Civil libertarians and others in the border states–including conservative farmers–have protested this dramatic departure from the assumed tradition of allowing Americans freedom of travel–certainly freedom to leave their own country.

Scary stuff.

27. marisacat - 30 January 2007

Why doesn’t DD just take the bar again? Like the whole world does. (Angelina Alioto took it 9 times, iirc. We all decided that Joe Alioto finally bribed every examiner, LOL)

IIRC Kos lui-meme failed the bar in CA. and claims he did not take it again.

Odd. People just knuckle down and do the work and pass on a subsequent try.

28. JJB - 30 January 2007

MCat,

If DD were smart enough to pass the bar exam, he’d be smart enough to stop insisting that John Edwards is a Communist. Most people prefer to pretend the night they got arrested for being drunk and buck naked in a highly public venue never happened. I guess DD likes to brag about it, show the press clippings, and photographs. As for Kosolini, it is strange how this guy who failed so dismally at both the law and high tech is now this mover and shaker in the world of politics he affects to despise so much. He really is kind of like Bush in that way, those are two fields in which it’s been pretty difficult to not succeed in one degree or another, provided you were willing to focus on what you needed to do to get ahead. Boy George failed abysmally in the oil business, pretty astounding especially when you consider the connections he had there. Then both turn their attention to politics, in one form or another. Boy Markos even goes into business with a failed con man and gets ahead.

Yes, it is going to be a long two years, and the ones that follow don’t seem likely to get any shorter, do they?

29. Miss Devore - 30 January 2007

JJB–as one of the banned I am familiar with the troll patrol!

30. marisacat - 30 January 2007

I am actually reading the thread.. and I do spy just what I was looking for. The Big Lie:

Are you kidding? (10+ / 0-)

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Let’s see. Your party won Congress.

Your party passed legislation removing restrictions on stem cell research, raising the minimum wage, cutting student loan interest rates, eliminating subsidies to big oil, passed all of the 9/11 Commission recommendations, and is subpoenaing the hell out of this Administration.

My Photoblog, Milhouse’s Glasses.

by Delaware Dem on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 11:12:21 AM PST

Uh. No sonny. They voted on bills. So far without veto proof majorities. They may not even manage the Stem Cell bill. Casey is clearly against anything that uses embryonic material, even from about to be tossed in vitro harvests.

Oh Good Luck.

And PS the minimum wage bill fight is ugly. Roll Call reports that “6 or 7″ R have been tapped to be opposition, gum up the works. Not jsut for min wage but for everything.

Chambliss was esp cute on the Gum up the WOrks dance floor today.

I KNOW the ‘Grass Tops’ as they call themselves sell the nutroots as fucking stupid and malleable.

They’d be right.

31. supervixen - 30 January 2007

Kos failed the bar and then gave up? As Johnny Carson used to say: I. Did. Not. Know. That.

Interesting….

Miss D ‘n’ JJB: hey, me too, I know the Troll Cops quite well. Abusive fascist blowhards, one and all. And each of them dumb as a bag of hammers. The funny thing is that there aren’t very many of them but they cause a huge amount of trouble – more than the worst trolls.

32. supervixen - 30 January 2007

It’s pretty hilarious to see someone trollrated for the unspeakable crime of snarking at Delaware Dem, while Mad King Armando can engage in all the personal attacks he desires, and the groupies line up to kiss his ring.

They are so deluded.

33. earth to meg - 30 January 2007

I’m convinced they are all really Republicans over at dkos. They just became embarrassed that their party was co-opted by the fundies. Then that pesky war started making them sweat a little bit more. Becoming “Democrats” was “cool.” I have no other explanation for why there is so much conservatism over there. And it sickens me. Truly. That moron Delaware Dem and his “Edwards is a Communist” comments are just laughable. I saw the original diary months ago that he deleted out of embarrassment. Of course he says it, because he believes it. It’s not a “joke,” an “accidental” slip of the tongue, or a “snark.”

BTW, I’m new, and I’m thrilled to have you found you folks here. Miss Devore, I didn’t know you were banned. Supervixen, I loved your posts and saw what that posse did to you; it was disgusting. I never joined over there but lurked regularly.

34. marisacat - 30 January 2007

welcome EtM…

Oh they surely are R, and conservative Dems. They are hoping to pick over the cadaver of the nation and crawl to power across our bones. As we beg for health care… smaller classes, better transportation, no war, etc… and so on.

You may find the thread ahead very interesting.
:)

35. earth to meg - 30 January 2007

Yep, I just saw where the readership got thrown a labor bone by Miss Laura. Yeah, those labor diaries are on the rec list so often, aren’t they?! I’ve read enough anti-union drivel over there that I often think I’ve wandered onto a pro-Walmart site by accident.

36. marisacat - 30 January 2007

well in a way you did… after all the hubub over Armando and his being an atty (thru his firm) for Wal-Mart. Not that he bothered iwth a disclaimer when he wrote on conglomerate or eminent domain (a tactic W-M uses to muscle into towns and areas, threat of it) …

So standard.

37. Miss Devore - 30 January 2007

Blogmaids to strike for better knee pads, more troll ratings. Yaymarkos Square riots…

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 January 2007

“Yaymarkos Square”

**snicker**

Isn’t that the protest where over-educated and under-talented fratboys and their drunk little sisters stomped their feet and demanded another, bigger piece of Pie?

39. earth to meg - 30 January 2007

The capos of kos – DD, BTD, MackTruckJoan. Reminds me of the asshats who always pipe up with “If you don’t like America, why don’t you just leave?” What the hell’s the difference between that and: “This is kos’ site. Why don’t you leave if you’re not happy?” Same shit, same blog.

40. Miss Devore - 30 January 2007

a most curious thing at dk–what happened to Georgia10? She was smart and a good writer. Obviously not taking advantage of her alum FP status to post there anymore.

When I read over there, it is with a sense that I left a few buddies behind, but I can barely think of who they are anymore. And I spent a lot of time there.

41. marisacat - 30 January 2007

The Triangle Blahg Post Fire. Yaymarkos Riot.

The place is such a source for sarcasm.

42. earth to meg - 30 January 2007

I dont’ recall seeing georgia10 recently either. Wasn’t she a ??law student or ??business student? Perhaps just too busy once her tenure there ended. What I never picked up on in the year or so I lurked there was the authoritarianism instilled, the top-down but hands-off by Markos and the FPers and gang members doing his dirty work for him. Never hung out there enough to get that feel until I read something about kos’ authoritarian methods over at BMT or Wing. The guy claiming he had no more clout or “leadership” than anybody else but then allowing posters to run vigilante around the site on his behalf. Too strange. And so many folks all too happy to do it. What happened to supervixen was for me the camel straw thing – I just backed off the site for a while in disgust. It was horrible. Elise, nighttimekitty, there was a whole gang of them, later bragging about doing it, so proud that they had somehow “cleansed” the site. It was akin to listening to a psychopath or a sociopath brag about their exploits on unsuspecting victims.


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