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Fucking creampuffs… 26 February 2007

Posted by marisacat in DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, Lie Down Fall Down Dems.
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If it weren’t war, I would laugh.  I have only used that highly flammable word, traitor, once at this site… and it was to describe both parties, both are traitors to the American people.  Sheeple tho the people may be…

WASHINGTON, Feb. 27, 2007
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS Associated Press Writer

(AP) Democratic leaders backed away from aggressive plans to limit President Bush’s war authority, the latest sign of divisions within their ranks over how to proceed.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Monday he wanted to delay votes on a measure that would repeal the 2002 war authorization and narrow the mission in Iraq.

Senior Democrats who drafted the proposal, including Sens. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Carl Levin of Michigan, had sought swift action on it as early as this week, when the Senate takes up a measure to enact the recommendations of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission.

Reid, who will huddle with Democrats Tuesday to discuss whether to postpone the Iraq debate, cited pressure from victims’ families for quick action on the Sept. 11 bill as the reason for doing so. [snip]

And look what the lousy limp thing uses… for the excuse. September 11th.

Nor can he shut up:

“Iraq is going to be there _ it’s just a question of when we get back to it,” Reid said, predicting it would be “days, not weeks” before the Senate returned to the issue. The war reauthorization legislation also appears to lack the 60 votes it would need to pass the Senate.

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There is a post at MyDD about this, from David Sirota.   He sounds like his old self, calling out Democrats when they are base and cowardly…

Make no mistake about it: The renewed refusal by Democrats to use their majority in even the most basic way to stop the war is a declaration that the new majority is not close to using even the most basic powers afforded to it to stop or slow down the war. In other words, in backing off, the Democrats have just weeks after the 2006 anti-war election mandate effectively declared themselves as supportive of the Bush administration’s stay-the-course policy – a truly sickening act of cowardice.

 Matt Stoller interjects a cautionary header based on the Bowers post, an interjected update to the Sirota posting, to discredit the AP story.  Yes, the brave Democrats.  No reason to believe this report. 

From the Bowers segment of the Sirota post  — hard to know what to call the Bowers addendum, other than an exhibition of panic, well If I had sold this congress to people, I’d be panicked — :

Yes, the war is the most pressing issue we face, and yes there are Democrats who are not on board that we need to pressure. However, this is a crap article that is utterly unfair to the Democratic leadership that is in fact still pursuing plans to end the war as vigorously as ever. Both the House gradual draw down plan and the Senate rewriting of the AUMF are still in place, and will come up for votes within the next month.

Frankly, I would have thought that once we were in power we would not have turned off our bullshit detectors when it came to the obligatory “Democrats divided” articles are regularly coughed up from places like the AP. Attack any Democrat who prevents this war from ending, but do so with fair attacks.
 

People are too busy wading thru the Democrats’ own bullshit.

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.  I feel anyone who expected anything of the Democrats or who sold the 110th as anything but scrapings of something resembling a life form should be ashamed.  The only vaguely amusing thing in all of this is that the apparatchiks will have plenty of opportunity to be ashamed of the congressional majority.

OUT NOW.  BRING THEM HOME NOW.

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1. Sabrina Ballerina - 26 February 2007

David Sirota is right.

In other words, in backing off, the Democrats have just weeks after the 2006 anti-war election mandate effectively declared themselves as supportive of the Bush administration’s stay-the-course policy – a truly sickening act of cowardice.

Bowers calls it a crap article. I was thinking today about how the blogs silenced debate on election fraud and on 9/11. We could have put so much pressure on Congress right after the 2004 election. But the media and the Democratic Blogs censored people.

Now they are trying to do so again with the War in Iraq. I hope people do not stay on any blog that attempts to silence them once again.

2. ms_xeno - 26 February 2007

Yeah, just shut up and pretend you don’t disagree with your fearless leaders about anything. That worked great in ’04, didn’t it ? When you had your own fucking “protest pens” just like the GOP did. When you were emeshed in the same masturbatory war fantasies the GOP had. When you ripped up peace signs and ordered people to take off peace scarves on the fucking convention floor. Yeah, the “uber allies” bit has done soooooooooo much to speed an end to the war.

I’d call Bowers a brain-damaged insect, but that would be demeaning to brain-damaged insects. So never mind.

ARRGGH. Stick to beating off to your Cyber-French-Bolsheivik Revolution fantasies, Chris. We’ll all be happier that way.

3. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

Democratic Faithful Claim To Not Be Idiots

…despite mounds of evidence to the contrary, such as the fact that they’re still Democrats even in the face of this kind of crap.

Honestly, tweak a word here and there and it’s an Onion article waiting to happen…

4. liberalcatnip - 27 February 2007

“Iraq is going to be there _ it’s just a question of when we get back to it,” Reid said,

Glad you highlighted that article. That quote made my jaw drop – although it shouldn’t have, really.

Democrats ARE divided. Which part of that doesn’t Bowers understand? That’s not an “attack”. It’s the truth.

Attack any Democrat who prevents this war from ending, but do so with fair attacks.

And what’s a “fair” attack? Yawning and moving on just like Reid?

5. liberalcatnip - 27 February 2007

ARRGGH. Stick to beating off to your Cyber-French-Bolsheivik Revolution fantasies, Chris. We’ll all be happier that way.

Okay. That wasn’t nice. Good advice, nonetheless, but not nice. (I’m sorry. I just spit out my Coke when I typed that. Back in a few…)

6. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Not just on MyDD … Bowers is travelling the boards sprinkling his words of wisdom on the value of compromise… this thread is the epitome of Daily Kos… STFU and don’t question Dems in DC… usual suspects are there Jiacinto and anyone with a fake military rank.

Bush doesn’t want Murtha’s plan to pass either (2+ / 0-)

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These are dramatic occupations, and I admire your courage and dedication, but for lefties to actively lobby Democrats against voting for Murtha’s plan will do nothing except reduce the chances Murtha’s plan passes. You are nowhere near a majority for cutting off funding entirely. The vote is in less than a month. It might even be a close vote, considering the way Blue Dogs are once again stepping up to do Republican work. [You mean like Murphy the Blue Dog whom you just fundraised 150,000 dollars… and Gillbrand, Herseth, Salazar, Bean…. Chris give me a fucking break)

The only plan that has a chance of passing in the narrow window before the vote is the Murtha plan. Many of us just spent two years getting new a Congress elected favorable to ending the war, and then developing an ingenious policy plan coupled with a huge media blitz to cut the war off. To then hear about groups of “anti-war” protesters who are trying to undo that work because it doesn’t end the war fast enough quite frankly feels like a slap in the face. No matter what some people will say about Overton windows, We need help rallying people to pass Murtha’s plan, not defeat it. There is less than a month before it happens.

The Murtha plan is the only one with a chance to end the war, albeit gradually. To hear you bash it makes me think that you would rather it either end now, or continue indefinitely. It has taken twenty-seven months of electoral and legislative organizing to get to this point, and I apologize if all of our efforts simply mean to that we are furthering the interests of the ruling class. I was out in the streets in 2002, back when opposing the war was a 25% minority in the country or something, and now that we are on the brink of actually bringing it down, it saddens the hell out of me to see those who also want the war to end working to tear down all of our work since then.

So fine, I’m one of those evil compromisers who wants to actually back a plan with a chance of passing–the only plan that has had any chance to stop this war since it began. Whip up another 20 votes to stop Murtha’s plan from the left, thus guaranteeing its defeat. Then, when the war doesn’t slow down at all over the next two years, I’m sure you will find a way to blame people like me for that too.

The truth about McCain

by Chris Bowers on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 07:41:15 PM
PST

Chris tell us again… what a genious Lieberman was for neutering the Democratic right to filibuster… come on tell me again…

7. liberalcatnip - 27 February 2007

Many of us just spent two years getting new a Congress elected favorable to ending the war, and then developing an ingenious policy plan coupled with a huge media blitz to cut the war off.

Ummm…what?? Where’s this “ingenious policy plan”?

To then hear about groups of “anti-war” protesters who are trying to undo that work because it doesn’t end the war fast enough quite frankly feels like a slap in the face.

Good. Feel it burn.

8. marisacat - 27 February 2007

Stoller has a follow up…

9. liberalcatnip - 27 February 2007

Stoller : This is unusual, and possibly a first in the history of the netroots – we have leaders to which we are loyal that are nonetheless not representing us.

Well, what the hell did he expect considering the Dems’ history? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again (probably ad nauseum), the BBBoys really overestimated their so-called “power” and their ability to affect…well…anything. They’re just another little cog in a very big wheel and their influence is minor. It’s time for some serious ego-checks.

10. marisacat - 27 February 2007

Found a third version (slight variations) of the AP, it just went up at the NYT.. with an expanded Reid quote. Hint, it gets WORSE

”We’re doing the very best we can,” Reid said. ”Iraq is here. It’s not going to go away.”

They have no shame, “the very best we can”. simpering fuck.

11. marisacat - 27 February 2007

well… the Blahhgs are an online Democratic Club. Not much more. To a slight degree they have some ability to raise cash. But never the numbers they expected. And the so called power of their tabloid pages is not rising. Really not…

12. bayprairie - 27 February 2007

harry reid

what a soulless fuck

13. marisacat - 27 February 2007

OK… I missed MTP SUnday… but got on to the quotes from levin due to a comment in the Stoller thread at Mydd… Lordy. just roll out the pink rhinestone collars and leash:

MR. RUSSERT: Why don’t Democrats do what Senator McConnell says that they could do, cut off funding for the war?

SEN. LEVIN: There’s another way to achieve our goal. Number one, we can cap the number of troops. We can change the mission. These would both be binding resolutions without cutting funding for our troops.

Most of us do not want to cut funding for our troops for two reasons. One is it’s wrong. Our troops deserve our support as long as they’re there, and we’re not going to repeat the mistake of Vietnam where we took out on the troops our differences over policies with the administration. Our differences are with the commander in chief and his policies, and we’re going to fund the troops as long as they’re there.

Secondly, because that resolution would lose, the president would then use the defeat of a cut-the-funding resolution as a way of supporting his policy. So we would be playing right into the hands of the president and his policy makers by having a losing vote on funding. So it’s the wrong thing to do, and it also would strengthen the president’s hand when we don’t want to do that. We want to change the president’s course. He is on a course that is leading to defeat. The president’s course is getting us in deeper and deeper militarily. It is not working. We want to change that course. We don’t, don’t want to do anything which would strengthen that course.

MR. RUSSERT: What about the notion that Democrats are afraid politically to cut off funding?

WAIT, IT GETS WORSE his answer from page 2:

SEN. LEVIN: Well, that’s not where I’m coming from, because I—my concerns are exactly the two that I mentioned. It’s not a fear of—politically of doing it.

It’s the wrong thing to do morally in terms of the message it sends to the troop—troops, but it also would strengthen the president because he would use the defeat of that resolution as proof that the Senate or the Congress supports his policies, and the majority do not.

And we ought to be allowed to vote by majority vote on this question: Do we favor a surge? Do we favor changing the mission? That’s what the Republicans will not let us vote on. They’re afraid of having the majority of the Senate vote as the majority of the House did in opposition to the surge of the president.

MR. RUSSERT: You need 60 votes to break a filibuster. Do you have 60 votes?

LOL And where is the Gang of 14 to stop filibuster?

tiny pathetic Democrats: “allowed”, the R do not allow them to function.

Might as well laugh. Republican # 1 – that would be Warner, the senior entity no matter the majority. And then the senate maid, Levin. Republican # 2.

The old rumble was that they agreed on most things about the war.

Tie an apron on the Democrats. And, of course, Bush is laughing at them.

14. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

catnip:

Okay. That wasn’t nice.

You shoulda’ seen the first draft, before I threw it away.

The arrogance of these shitheels is remarkable. THEY got the current crop of do-nothings elected. THEY created the anti-war movement, which did not exist before THEY decided it did. THEY spun straw into fucking gold, blah blah blah fucking blah.

In fact, their arrogance is in direct inverse proportion to their competence, so far as I can tell.

Also, I respectfully submit that the Democrats are not divided in any signifigant way. If you go to “google video,” you can hear Sen. Murray’s weak bullshit about how they can’t impeach Bush because it would be “a distraction,” leave Cheney and office, etc. This is exactly the sort of shit Pelosi spouts. It’s exactly the sort of shit I read locally, from Rep. Blumenauer. Good Proggies all, don’t you know. Esteemed by their bevy of yapping pugs on the “netroots.” They are very united behind the concept of doing nothing and reaping tremendous rewards while clowns like Bowers beg them for yet another serving of bullshit and abuse, pleeeeeeeeease.

15. Revisionist - 27 February 2007

Great post by Shystee on a MyDD thread. Here is a teaser

That is, if by “netroots” you mean Kos, Atrios and other A-list bloggers.

On the other hand a lot of C-listers like myself and Down With Tyranny, and others have been screaming about this since the election.

16. missdevore - 27 February 2007

“U.S. Agrees to Meeting with Iran and Syria

The Bush administration has agreed to sit around a negotiating table with official representatives of Iran and Syria next month — as part of a planned regional conference in Baghdad to discuss ways to stabilize Iraq.”
(David Ignatius/WaPo)

17. Kevin Lynch - 27 February 2007

simplified Dem strategy: “You elected us to end the war. We can’t end it without giving Repugs attack add fodder. We want to be reelected in 2008 but fear attack adds. We can’t end the war.”

and they call us a ‘circular firing squad’, indeed…

Kevin

18. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

There’s a thread halfway down the front page of Pandagon called “You Are The Enemy Combatant.” Looks like Marcotte has a fresh flock of somewhat tamed Right Wing “moderates” settled in for the duration. (I love the ubiquitous “RonF” –an cloying Alas staple who I routinely fantasized about hotfooting when I was still there– and his assertion that invading was okay because the country would have collapsed when Hussein died anyway;Y’know, just like the whole reason Yugoslavia collapsed was because Tito died. It’s not like any outside interests were helping the collapse along. (Cough.) Meanwhile, the Proggie voices in that thread are nearly absent, or like Marcotte herself, merrily tippy-toeing around the fact that this WAR IS THE DEMOCRATS’ WAR, as much as the GOPs.

This is the vanguard of the “netroots.” They are having a big get-together to discuss their “strategy.” With beer.

Heaven help us all…

19. wilfred - 27 February 2007

It’s battered wife syndrome still at work except the wife got a windfall and has more opportunities to stand up for herself. Yet she is still cowering in the corner.

Give ‘em heck Harry.

20. Tuston - 27 February 2007

wilfred: its good to “see” you buddy.

But I got to disagree with your battered wife syndrome diagnosis.

A battered wife is not complicit in her abuse, the same cannot be said of the congressional dumbocrats, IMHO.

BTW: It looks like OBL hasn’t forgotten Dick

21. wilfred - 27 February 2007

hey tuston! always good to see you too.

“A battered wife is not complicit in her abuse,”

Well, i am no expert by far but i would say much of the time no but not always. When you get into the rabbithole of that syndrome i think you lose your bearing on what power you do have and when you don’t use that you enable your abuser, no? Either way a tough metaphor and a horrible situation for anyone to be in.

22. Tuston - 27 February 2007

agreed, and I ain’t no expert either…I don’t even own one of the horribly named t shirts…

23. marisacat - 27 February 2007

I woke up in a real daze at 7:20 PT, stumbled to the kitchen for the cat’s food and to start some sort of coffeee… and what is on the cable… the tag end of a report… a San Francisco “hillside fell down at 3 am”… lol off to google.

All I know is it is not my hillside. SInce I am here.
;)

24. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

I love that picture of Cheney. Not a care in the world. Another 20-40 peons dead ? Just another busy day in the service of the Almighty Lucre.

They all seem to have that look these days, no matter which color pinney they have on…

Cheney’s going to be a grandpappy soon, isn’t he ? I’m reminded of the Iva Bittova’ song that begins, “Dear Grandad, would you like to be a murderer ?” He is everyone’s benevolent, murderous granddad. So fated, so happy to be alive and prosperous while his victims drop like flies in every direction and more loot is stuffed in his pockets.

25. marisacat - 27 February 2007

Hillside

Not sure what it all means.. we had some hard driving rain last night, thunder, lightning AND hard hail that beat on the SOuth side windows here, for about 20 mins.

With the earthquake, just a bit of an unstble time…

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 February 2007

Geez, Levin:

It’s the wrong thing to do morally in terms of the message it sends to the troop—troops

What the fuck do you know about morality, you fucking spineless coward? It’s MORE moral to send more of them to die and be maimed? It’s MORE moral to send them to slaughter more Iraqi civilians, to send more of them to snap and rape and murder? It’s MORE moral to have these broken souls come home to inadequate medical and mental health systems? It’s MORE moral to continue to shit billions of dollars down the sewer of war instead of feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, clothing the poor, educating the uneducated?

FUCKER, I’m so damned sick of fake arguments about morality from these soulless Lords and Ladies.

27. marisacat - 27 February 2007

At one point in the MTP he says “if I had my way the war would never have happened”…

EXCEPT he voted for the war resolution. They constantly say such stupid stuff about that vote. The car keys crap… and so on.. It was what Bush needed to keep a lid on rising opinion against the war. He needed congress, something from the UN – just the appearance of having asked – and Blair.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 February 2007

Helen Thomas on CNN re: her seating:

“What I’d like to know is ‘why am I the story’ … there is a war going on.”

“I don’t belong there, in the front row. I can shout from anyplace.”

Other reporters should be ashamed next to her.

29. Miss Devore - 27 February 2007

From time to time, CNN, changes their headers for their Iraq stories–”The Struggle for Iraq”, etc. Today, notably above the latest article about the soccer field bomb that killed 18 children, they have changed it to “Iraq: Transition of Power” And what the fuck would that mean? Is Iraq going to become “sovereign” again for the thousandeth time? Should we chant?

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 February 2007

should be “Iraq: Transition to Corpses”.

31. outofwater - 27 February 2007

Despite attack on the VP Iran is the bogeyman de jour. This story tells me that the attack on US soil used to justify the US assault on Iran will be on NY, again. They don’t even try new ideas, why bother? It worked perfectly last time. New York, despite Mayor Bloomberg, is sufficiently Democratic that it’s earned the terror.

New York: Targeted By Tehran?

NYPD officials have worried about possible Iranian-sponsored attacks since a series of incidents involving officials of the Iranian Mission to the United Nations. In November 2003, Ahmad Safari and Alireaza Safi, described as Iranian Mission “security” personnel, were detained by transit cops when they were seen videotaping subway tracks from Queens to Manhattan at 1:10 in the morning. The men later left New York. “We’re concerned that Iranian agents were engaged in reconnaissance that might be used in an attack against New York City at some future date,” Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly told NEWSWEEK. A spokesman for the Iranian Mission in New York said he was aware of the allegations but had no immediate comment.

32. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Kos is such a complete asshole… he writes a nasty FP about Dean and Reid then immediately throws up a poll… in his haste of swiftboating he even forgets to put up polls for the DCCC and DSCC….

Does anyone get the irony of an FP full throttle whine about Fox not being reputable …. then to have a FP on Romney’s hair… real cutting edge Netrootz Inc reporting… I thought there was a war going on… nevermind….

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 February 2007

Found this interesting blog through a link at Hullabaloo. A lawyer posting as The Talking Dog has several interviews w/ lawyers working for detainees. His latest is an interview with David Rose, who wrote Guantanamo: America’s War on Human Rights. Here’s a snippet describing the kind of men King George and Rummy put in charge of that hell hole:

The Talking Dog: What were your impressions of General Geoffrey Miller, formerly commanding officer at Guantanamo and later at Abu Ghraib, when you met him?

David Rose: General Miller is a forceful, gung ho character to be sure. He was very keen to talk of his achievements, and the achievements of his staff. He is also very scary. He had no background whatsoever in intelligence or in interrogations- he was an artillery officer. In his view, intelligence gathering was a volume business- so many pages of transcripts, as if interrogations were equivalent to hitting targets with artillery rounds. He was very dogmatic, and very difficult to talk to. Quite frightening, actually.

The Talking Dog: Were there any other military or government officials that made an impression on you when you met them at Guantanamo?

David Rose: Two certainly come to mind. One was Louis Louk, then the chief surgeon, who left Guantanamo before the advent of the force-feeding regime. He made a comment about a detainee who wanted to kill himself being “a spoiled brat”. I found that troubling, actually.

The other was the chaplain (not Captain Yee, the Moslem chaplain), but the chief chaplain, a Baptist, I believe, Steve Feehan. He viewed the detainees as second class human beings– which I found quite troubling for a man of the cloth.

Well, men of that particular cloth have justified all manner of inhumanity, so I don’t know why that would be a surprise.

34. JJB - 27 February 2007

outofwater,

That really is ludicrous. You don’t need videotape to figure out where to set off a bomb and cause maximum damage in the NYC subway system. One look at a system map would tell you that.

On another note, there’s a very interesting, long article at Salon.com on how the situation in Afghanistan is rapidly deteriorating:

In November, I traveled with the Army’s 10th Mountain Division to Afghanistan’s Kunar and Nuristan provinces, the region where Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri have been sighted over the past three years, to see how American forces were fighting the “other” war. What I learned is that the war in Afghanistan is going badly. Three years after U.S. forces secured much of the country and helped 10 million Afghans vote in a presidential election, the country has slid back into a dangerous power vacuum, with the Taliban again competing for control of significant sections of the country. Last November, a CIA analysis of the Karzai government found it was losing control, and American ambassador to Afghanistan Ronald Neumann warned then that the U.S. would “fail” if the plan for action didn’t include “multiple years and multiple billions.” Our gains, once held firmly, have been lost and the coming year may portend Afghanistan’s future, with ominous rumors about a spring offensive by insurgents floating down from the mountains.

Earlier this month, concerns about the U.S. effort in Afghanistan were finally acknowledged in Washington. President Bush announced he would request $10.6 billion in extra aid for Afghanistan and increase the number of troops, especially along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. “We face a thinking enemy,” said Bush. “And we face a tough enemy — they watch our actions, they adjust their tactics. And in 2006, this enemy struck back with a vengeance.” Bush’s announcement came after repeated calls from U.S. generals for more boots on the ground and repeated predictions of a spring offensive, pleas for help the military had been making since last summer.

After a month along Afghanistan’s northeast border with Pakistan, it is clear the help is needed. The region is one of the most wild and ungoverned areas of Afghanistan. The Americans pushed north last summer, part of Operation Mountain Fury, trying to seal off the Pakistan border and find al-Qaida’s Arab forces. The border’s invisible line, soldiers say, allows high-value targets, like bin Laden, to find sanctuary and a base of operations. What I saw was a skilled but unprepared U.S. force battling literally uphill against an unidentified enemy. 2006 was the deadliest year for coalition forces since the war began, with 191 dead. For the roughly 20,000 U.S. troops in the country, Afghanistan is only slightly less deadly per soldier than Iraq. But while a lack of troops may help the undermanned U.S. effort in the short term, it does not address a larger problem. American forces don’t have an adequate understanding of the culture, the many languages or the formidable terrain.

Needless to say, the author (Matthew Cole) produced this piece before news of the suicide bomb attack at Bagram Air Force Base occurred.

Things appear to be coming to a head, and whatever plans BushCo. may have could be rendered irrelevant by the other side’s striking first, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. The end of this month will mark the end of a 6-month period where approximately 520 US troops were killed in Iraq. That may be the bloodiest 6-month period of the soon-to-be 4-year old war. Considering that we’re losing on average 800 killed per year, it marks a significant uptick.

35. the paine - 27 February 2007

thanx for the matt s link
mcat
i never read these things and rely on you to keep me in touch

stop me
is lfor gutter balls like this
where the full montee is revealed
the stuffs priceless

it should be over every family room
flat screen /fireplace
in demo -doodyville

dlc keeps the little d’s out of the big D

36. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 February 2007

Ms xeno #24 – according to the news, the attack was because of Cheney’s presence there. It was meant to be secret, but word got out when he couldn’t leave because of bad weather. True or not, it really doesn’t matter though. Their criminal lies are the cause of all the loss of life over there, and they’re not satisfied. There hasn’t been enough bloodshed for them yet.

As for the ‘left’ blogs – it’s sad to read them now. Their excuses and attempts to cover for the lying Dems who support this war are becoming more and more pathetic.

Ms xeno, check out this diary if you had any doubts about how you would be treated at dk.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/26/13341/6397

And so, they drive away more people from the DP – instead of acknowledging the legitimate complaints. Also the author of the diary is AA. The diary is thoughful, the reaction from the thugs all too familiar and proof that the diarist is right.

You don’t get it (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:ortcutt, Elise
The Greens are worse than the Republicans. The Republicans are at least honest about what they stand for. The Greens purport to be leftists, and then screw Democrats to help their Republican masters.

The diarist is a freeper – just as if he had written a diary about how great Sam Brownback or Rick Santorum is.

i was france ave when they came out dancing. i was lyndale south. i was kicking it with cousins.

by Mia Dolan on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 12:20:23 PM PST

……

That’s ridiculous (0 / 0)

You think every individual who has ever voted Green was just pretending to believe in what they believe in? You sound too intelligent to think that.

The frustrations of the diarist appear to root from the same frustrations that most people here have towards the corporatist DLC elements in the Democratic Party, and that is worth noting in any reasonable analysis. Do you think twenty somethings who come here for first time share this undying grudge with the Green Party? Or are they more likely to say, one of the reasons I hate Republicans is because they’re bullies, and what the hell is up with all this bullying here?

by ShadowSD on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 01:55:31 PM PST

…….

No (0 / 0)

I am not talking about every individual – I am talking about the Green party, which is completely corrupt.

The diarist is a Freeper – he voted for Nader in 2000 and now has written a GBCW diary and is going back where he came from. The “bullying” and ridicule is well deserved.

i was france ave when they came out dancing. i was lyndale south. i was kicking it with cousins.

by Mia Dolan on Mon Feb 26, 2007 at 02:02:45 PM PST

I wonder how they will explain the millions who will not vote Democratic in 2008 if Dems keep on whining that ‘The Republicans won’t let us’ . So, what good was compromising to get that majority? What has been accomplished so far?

Harry Reid is the obstructionist. We don’t need Republicans to do it. Faxing, calling, signing petititons etc. seems now like a wasted effort. The policies are in effect. Both parties support them.

And as far as the blogs having any ‘power’? They got attention initially because ordinary people used the internet to express their anger with the government. Now that the Party has taken over and is suppressing the genuine voice of the people, they will have zero value to citizens.

37. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

I wanna know why is it okay for Kos to slam Democrats on his front page… but forbidden… when libruls do it????

I am neither here nor there on the Fox debate… I consider it somewhere in the midst of the 50 State strategy… Dems should show up everywhere… It is not about where you say it ….but about what you say …. and how you say it. I know there are disagreements here about Dean showing up on CBC… that part doesn’t bother me. There are degrees in which this can be seen and everyone has there own thermometer… that was in the suitable range for me for others it is not.

What I find ridiculous is Kos’s sudden interest… the uncompromising purist I think Kos is being a hypocrit to slam the debate on Fox and yet promote the likes of Breaux and Casey as showing his diversity to the right wing. This is just another example of Kos doing Hilliary’s dirty work… why people still listen to Kos is beyond me???

Kos also forgets that Dean refused to ever give O’Rielly an interview… also IIRC the worst hosted Democratic Debate happened on CNN with Judy Woof-woof reading an attack message in the middle of the debate.

In the end… what the hell does it matter? … and who really cares?

I notice that Kos is ignoring Drudge’s swift boating of Gore’s electric bill bruhaha…. It is all over Redstate… yunno Kos’s friends and partner in the fight to keep blogs political slush money secret…

38. the paine - 27 February 2007

I mean really
matt

you would …primary some of um???

have you no mercy MAN !!!!

39. Revisionist - 27 February 2007

Hillary’s dirty work? I had come to the conclusion that the Kossasses were an Obamachine.

40. the paine - 27 February 2007

sb
“the lying Dems who support this war ”

i suggest we say
these dem leaders in their collective wise-dom
support the global role of uncle sam
in as much as he puts the umph behind
open borders to progress and “sivilization”

the appeal to them here by the realists
is simple enough

“okay bushco
fucked up in iraq
but do you want these world wide zillion wogs
to think the emperor has no cloths ????

sometime you gotta do a little more bad
sheriffin’
to have the flex to do good sheriffin’ another day

41. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 February 2007

I think it’s going to be Hillary/Obama – they can bash now, but once the party makes the choice, (’cause we sure don’t) all four thousand or so ‘kossacks’ will be on board.

42. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

I had come to the conclusion that the Kossasses were an Obamachine.

Same thing.

I have yet see the feathers fly on real issues between Hilliary and Obama… it is all meta crap…

DD was/is a devout Hilliary supporter and yet when he changed his name suddenly his tag line reads Obama supporter. What gives… indeed. IMO Hilliary has no heat… Obama does and at the predesignated moment Obama will transfer the “heat” along with their donations to Hilliary… and in return he and the Daley machine will get a SoS… ditto Edwards for VP.

43. Revisionist - 27 February 2007

What is it with their outing? Rena wants people to come see her band IRL but then freaks out that someone “outs” her secret identity.

44. the paine - 27 February 2007

cream puffs refers to matt s i presume not reid et al
they are as you imply
the ruling clique
of quislings
nestled inside the highest layers
of the party of the whole people
and to get to be that
takes a hard part or two

“fuck we shit chunks of danty fools like matt S
out each day in our morning stool “

45. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Oh boy if that doesn’t beat all…

Kos whines about the Fox debate…. only to announce he is hosting his own prez debate. I guess it goes without saying that anyone that refuses to show up at Kos’s presidential debate will be effectively swiftboated… incredible.

Perhaps we should start a petition and to send to the candidates telling them that Kos and his crew do not represent online librul bloggers….and give examples … in their own words

46. the paine - 27 February 2007

this is not about who’s more cynical

the mission of the donk leaders needs to be viewed clearly

they are FOR a globe made safe for MNC’s
the full implications of that
reduces the ” political lies”
over this latest action/adventure
to lies of “responsible statescraft ”
the kind of lies — in brigade formation—
churchill claimed protected the big truths
of further earthly civilization :
ie
periods of long robust peace
and technical progress

oh…
and ultimate human salvation

47. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 February 2007

Perhaps we should start a petition and to send to the candidates telling them that Kos and his crew do not represent online librul bloggers

Yep, sounds like a good idea – they need to talk to those who are not willing to vote for anyone with a ‘d’ after their name. Talking to DK is talking to true-believers, and in diminishing numbers at that.I I wonder if they realize that being associated with dk is more likely to turn people away from them?

Revisionist #40 – ‘what is it with their outing?’

They out themselves, and then cry over it. Only the same, small group of true believers give these claims any credence. The rest of the blogosphere laughs.

48. outofwater - 27 February 2007

When was Kos’s last presidential “poll” ? Despite all the spin, purging and whatnot minds haven’t been changed IIRC, so I think he stopped asking, until there is an answer he likes.

49. outofwater - 27 February 2007

The DOW is down more than 500. Who knew?

50. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Yeaah the DOW plunge was triggered from the plunge in China (that’s why they call it Globalization)… now suddenly Condi wants to “talk” to Iran and Syria… all this sabor rattling is making thw world markets skittish.

51. outofwater - 27 February 2007

MSNBC is bouncing between the Smith body and the stock market.

52. marisacat - 27 February 2007

paine, the paine, owen, js, captain scarlet..

sorry! I was back asleep and you got caught in moderation… it kicks in if you use a new screen name…

got all your posts out!

********************************

And yes! I woke ot the mini Tuesday crash.

what a hoot!

53. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Mcat perhaps you should stay awake…

to keep the mudslides and market crashes at bay ;-)

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 February 2007

I have a new screed up:

What this country needs is more dissent, more shouting, more boisterous and angry and confrontational debate. We need to become more furious, more engaged, more passionate and ugly in our politics. For too long, only the right was fighting. For too long, only one party played to win, and thus reduced the “other” party to nothing more than rubber stamps. We need raised voices, we need red faces, we need to put EVERYTHING on the table. Citizens need to start giving a damn, to stop ceding the debate to the fringe right. We are in such great danger, pursuing two disasterous wars and being led by madmen toward a third, more dangerous conflict. We have more and more people sinking into poverty. If Reid and the others had been in the Continental Congress, we wouldn’t have a United States of America … we’d be proud servants of the Crown. Reid and the rest of them are proud servants of this era’s mad King George. They aren’t fit to hold their offices.

55. marisacat - 27 February 2007

well… perhaps more breaking than Nooz:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE HAS FALLEN MORE THAN 500 POINTS

http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

56. marisacat - 27 February 2007

Reuters

There seems to be just an air of nothing is safe anymore, there’s nowhere to go and people are rotating into bonds as a safe haven.”

The Dow Jones industrial average was down 376 points, or 3 percent, at 12,256, recovering from its drop of about 4 percent at around 3 p.m. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index was down 46 points, or 3.14 percent, at 1,403.79. The Nasdaq Composite Index was down 84 points, or 3.37 percent, at 2,420.22.

The CBOE Volatility Index, known as Wall Street’s “fear gauge,” surged 70.5 percent to a session high at 19.01 and then retraced its steps a bit to trade at 18.01, a gain of 61.5 percent.

Tuesday’s sell-off wiped out the Dow’s and the S&P 500′s gains for the year. The Nasdaq, too, was in the red on a year-to-date basis earlier in the session, but it moved back up into the plus column before the close. [snip]

57. marisacat - 27 February 2007

WSJ:

After proposing restrictions on the funds, the bill’s manager, Rep. John Murtha (D., Pa.), has been pummeled by Republicans and fellow Democrats eager to bring him down a peg or two. His friendship with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) and past rivalry with Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D., Md.) adds spice to the story. And fearing the entire bill could collapse,

House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D., Wis.) has sanctioned the drafting of waivers to the Murtha-backed provisions that would restore more flexibility to the administration.

“They want to end the war, but they want to fund the war,” said Mr. Murtha, frustrated by his party’s reluctance to exert its power over spending.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the Democratic caucus chairman, is cautious about crossing this line and argues any conditions on funding should focus on the Iraq government, not U.S. forces.

“Congress has the job of oversight and holding the administration accountable, but the war is owned and managed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,” the Illinois Democrat said.

oh waht tired bullshit. They all own it.

“Congress will fund our troops…as long as they’re in harms way,” said Ms. Pelosi yesterday. She has asked Mr. Murtha to speak to the full caucus this evening, and the 74-year-old lawmaker symbolizes how much the politics of the antiwar debate has changed since the Vietnam War, in which he fought in the 1960s. [...]

Mr. Murtha predicts a full-fledged Iraq-spending debate won’t come until Congress deals with the 2008 Pentagon budget this summer.

And the timing of the supplemental spending bill now is a problem, both for the military and lawmakers.

Gee. Think they gamed the war just a tad? Too much? Just right? Where is Goldilocks and the Three Bears? Huff and puff and blow your house down? This little piggie went to market?

Did they know it was WAR!? Or just another DC nursery rhyme…

LOL.

58. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 February 2007

Mitm – thanks for the link to your latest entry. And I love it and couldn’t agree more. The mealy-mouthed, apologist do-nothing blogs are in the way, as someone said last week. I just got a move-on petition! Did any of those petitions get anything done? I know it was busy work, and everyone felt we were doing something, but what was accomplished by them? You are right, politicians need to understand the anger out here with the filter of the gate-watchers which is all those bit, party blogs are, imo.

MSNBC is bouncing between the Smith body and the stock market. Lol, that’s funny, outofwater!

The radio is reporting that the drop was over 416 points. It’s global, apparently.

Paine #40 i suggest we say
these dem leaders in their collective wise-dom
support the global role of uncle sam
in as much as he puts the umph behind
open borders to progress and “sivilization”

I agree now – so what can be done about it since it’s no longer as simple as electing a candidate who is against all war all the time. Mitm says the system needs to break down completely. Maybe, and maybe if they keep up they way they’re going, that’s what will happen.

59. liberalcatnip - 27 February 2007

JJB,

Thanks for the link to the Salon story about Afghanistan. I’ll be using that in a post.

ms xeno,

#14, You shoulda’ seen the first draft, before I threw it away.

Oh my poor virgin eyes! They would have burned so. lol

Good to see you didn’t slide down the hill, Mcat! That would have been messy.

I think I’ve pretty much given up on the Dems being able to effect any sort of change re: Iraq. They need to start damn impeachment hearings instead of twisting in the wind while more people die.

60. cad - 27 February 2007

what power players do you think will show up for yearly kos after kos has finished insulting everybody? he’s a genuine moron.

and only kos can insult democrats there.

61. Revisionist - 27 February 2007

Cad, I wouldnt be surprised if Clark showed. He would be a complete nobody without Kos. It the only place anyone ever talks about him. Lots of people out in meatspace have never even heard of the General.

62. cad - 27 February 2007

i find it interesting that NOBODY has been announced yet.

i think they’re scrambling. i wish kucinich would show up…

63. the paine - 27 February 2007

mcat

“oh what tired bullshit. They all own it.”
precisely

SB

“so what can be done about it
since it’s no longer as simple
as electing a candidate
who is against all war all the time”

damned if i know

mad one is most likely too right here

the system must crash of its own over reach

but i focus on the HOUSE
and there
i think we have a worth while possiblity
to threaten a signifigant number
of the leaping prog caucus types

with an 08 defeat

with a run by an “independent peace and jobs ” democrat
first in the 08 primary
but pre announced ready to run iall the way no matter what
into the 08 general election

ala a flock of left counter parts
to the heinous 06 liebermuppet move

if there looks like no signifigant third alternative
in a particular CD
then instead of futile gestures
organize a no vote boycott of that one line
on the ballot
by progressive voters in that CD

those progressive house dems who don’t go all out
to bring the troops HOME pronto
including and this is ket
threatening to use their ultimate weapon

a caucus split from the party
that would remove dems from control of the house …

the bastards in most cases
need their prog base
to get re elected
and might come round….might ……might
and form
“an out now – no more iraq-nams ”
anti intervention counter core in the house

out and home
not redeploy
not a fudge and bomb run gimmick
to kurdistan or the gulf sheikvilles or ….

64. marisacat - 27 February 2007

gee. The “sheikvilles” are gonna bring us to Hoover/Bushvilles.

Peace and Jobs. Best name for a party.

And I really believe in the withhold the vote approach. Voting blocs that have the strength to withhold the vote and bargain for that vote to re-appear.

But people have to be strong. They cannot weaken and vote for those who will later vote for The Better Managed Wars. Brought to you by Disney/GE/KBR/Blackwater and whoever else.

The Dems are now throwing the name “Sestak” around, as tho he (and a “Sestak Plan”) is a better MIC guy than Murtha.

As if.

65. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Why do these idiots only show up at the door of Black people and women when they want something? Have you ever heard such a bunch of lies...

From the CBC’s perspective, black issues are just not a big deal to the white progressive movement. We talk affordable health care, they talk health care disparities. We talk global warming, they talk environmental justice. And people like Amy Sullivan talk about the religious left and the need to reach out to ‘values voters’ as if black churches have not been an important backbone of progressive politics for fifty years.

The CBC doesn’t recognize that the netroots are not actually the old progressive movement. We are new, and much more open to collaboration and working together with a newly energized African-American political progressive movement. [Isn't this the same shithead who blamed Blacks last year for not making themselves known in order to be invited to YearlyKos ... and the same dolt that went to Harlem to meet Clinton and forgot to bring Black people] From our perspective, though, we have to recognize and take responsibility for our failures in having a real dialogue with African-American activists and leaders. If we aren’t going to provide funding and exposure for issues of concern to the black community, and Fox News will provide both, it’s a bit difficult for us to really work this out as easily as we’d like to. It’s not impossible, but frankly, we can’t provide the money that multi-billion dollar corporations can because we don’t have it. [Stoller is so full of shit!!! No motherfucker it ain’t about “handouts” … how much did it cost the Netrootz Inc. to go to NOLA and stab the African American community in the back… how much is it costing to promote that corporate sleazebag Breaux who was happier than than the GOP that Blacks were flooded out of NOLA. Stoller is a typical White Boy creep.] But we need to get a real dialogue going, because like with net neutrality where the CBC found itself under attack by white progressives who from their perspective had always taken them for granted, we will not win until we are working together.

… oh… go to hell… I am so sick of these assholes

66. marisacat - 27 February 2007

any one who quote Amy Sullivan, other than to slam her, is on thin ice.

Wallis-ette.

67. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

Well, Sabrina, I’d say the Kozzies’ fanatical hatred of Greens is the only thing keeping them from incoherent screaming and tearing out their hair. Somebody must be blamed for their leaders’ venality, greed and cruelty. Somebody must help them forget that they submit to abuse and exploitation willingly. Everyone must have a scapegoat. Also remember that so long as they can claim that Greens become corrupt by merely standing in the same building as a GOP member, but Clinton and his ilk can practically suck face with the GOP while bodies were floating away in NOLA and remain Just Brilliant Strategists In Touch With The People, their leaders’ brutal treatment of people like Romanelli is justified. They really think that beating on the disaffected and angry will make them come to heel and “be saved.” After all, that’s what Bush’s modus operandi is and these people are nothing if they aren’t aping GOP bully tactics at the same time they claim to be so much better, so much more humane. All they are, though, is adept at finding small, weak targets.

I never went to Kos because I had already heard this shit many, many times before in the feminist blogosphere and elsewhere. Every sixtieth or seventy-fifth poster I meet online might be sympathetic to my POV, and that was pure gold. The rest of them I learned to not discuss politics with. It’s the same IRL.

When Greg Bates had his “straw poll” of Nader voters in swing states (’04), one voter said I don’t believe that Nader was responsible for Gore’s loss, but by God, I wish he had been !!

My sentiments exactly. The DP is a loathsome machine, as reflected so beautifully in the loathsomeness of the average Kozzie. Maybe next time, somebody will take a bigger rock to it and give it the smash-up it has so richly deserved for so long. >:

68. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

remember that so long as they can claim that Greens become corrupt by merely standing in the same building as a GOP member, but Clinton and his ilk can practically suck face with the GOP while bodies were floating away in NOLA and remain Just Brilliant Strategists In Touch With The People

oh but that is different….

69. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

Paine, Mcat, I like the idea of a candidate who’d start out in the DP and bail at primary time if s/he didn’t get the slot. Here’s the rub: The “netroots” will not back such a candidate. The Party Machine and its money will only pay attention to them up to a point (ie– Lamont). So where are these candidates to get help, and how can we be sure they can be trusted ?

I would prefer a Green, an Indy, a Libertarian. Don’t care. I think there’s a better chance of such a person resisting the siren call to submit at the end. Though how much better, I don’t know. Cobb was a pathetic specimen, all told, and there are others like him at the local level unfortunately.

70. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

Yeah, D. Throat. Remember, Republicans For Kerry, that was different, too.

:p Thank You. I’ll be here all week…

71. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Besides Obama and a military Black chick… have the “progressives” ever backed a progressive Black candidate…??? They sure as hell backed a hell of a lot of Blue dog candidates that are hostile to minority issues… but they aren’t purist… so that is okay.

72. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

They are all for backing Boyda (Kansas) who basically forgot to take off her “R” sign before becoming a member of the Democratic Party… even Fiengold has that 10000% Republican on his fundraising list.

73. the paine - 27 February 2007

m cat

what i have but foggy notions about:
conjecture

a boycott movement is much the greater force here
and would be a lot easier to organize nation wide one movement one campaign one etc etc …..
much easier
then running selected alternative candidates
but my guts sez the two work together well
better in fact then the boycott alone
even with the diversion of scarce resources

the common plank

teach the prog dems a lesson
teach em to respect our vote

no more pavlovian rage at the greater evil
that forces a yank on the lesser evil lever

grasp this premise:
the lesser is as necessary to the perpetuation
of the full system of evil
as the greater

and it can be destroyed by us a lot lot easier …

it is in our power

if we with-hold our votes the charade collapses

turn the system into an obvious
one real party plus one wooden dummy
its over baby

74. marisacat - 27 February 2007

hmm I think boyda may not last the next election.

75. the paine - 27 February 2007

xeno i think we are on the same wave length
run as a dem
but don’t be one

i hardly propose finding “real” dems with a history of party work

i was thinking like celebs and atheletes and pundits
run chomsky against barney frank

the idea is to punish the bastard for flipping his/her prog base the bird

76. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

D. Throat, it’s interesting that the Proggies pride themselves on their knowledge of history, but have forgotten the coalition that Jackson was able to build twenty-odd years ago. Either accidentally or on purpose;I don’t know, but they have forgotten it, written it out of the Party’s history. Learned nothing from what Jackson did right and what he did wrong. They pretend that the twin “-isms” of racism and classism cannot be battled on the ground in mainstream America with any hope of even temporary success. It saves them from having to do anything much other than hem and haw when they’re caught in a lie themselves– as they were over the bloggers’ trip to Harlem.

It also enables them to keep invoking SCOTUS when they want the troops to shut up and get in line. As if every right that came to the “nobodies” in America only happened because of “somebodies” in black robes. Digging through the omissions and lies that make up their operating procedures is like being stuck in a giant spiderweb in a B-Movie. Every time you yank off one strand, there are fifty more that attach themselves, and pulling them off is exhausting. Truly exhausting.

77. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

Paine, promise to produce Chomsky to battle ANY Dem at all, anywhere, and I’ll rescind my plea to liberal catnip for immediate political asylum in her basement. :D Hell, I’ll take a second job just so I can float him some money…

78. the paine - 27 February 2007

final big foot step

a 20 prog bolt
could bust the majority in the house
take away all those chairmanships

the quid pro quo

out now or bolt now

79. marisacat - 27 February 2007

well that is because modern, and esp online, Dem Party progressives are well steeped in the party’s own demogoguery of J Jackson.

I mean I dropped out with his disgusting display down at the Schiavo demonstrations …

but that does not mean I do not know his history.

The party has NEVER forgiven him for having gotten 7 million votes. In a real show of force, nor are they forgiving of his breakthru mediation work, from work wtih white farmers during Farm Aid era to his off shore international mediation work.

80. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Proggies pride themselves on their knowledge of history, but have forgotten the coalition that Jackson was able to build twenty-odd years ago. Either accidentally or on purpose;I don’t know, but they have forgotten it, written it out of the Party’s history.

Because they are fucking Republicans…

I bet you they can tell you what Reagan ate for breakfast… There is an obvious gap in their knowledge… about everything Democratic pre 1994…. they haven’t a clue. I didn’t grow up being actively political but just being raised in a Democratic family certain things just become common knowledge… the White Boyz are clueless.

81. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

Yeah, I know, D. Throat. And so much cluelessness is willful, so painfully willful in the internet age. I begin to crave some clean, honest hatred instead of the endless barrage of sticky strings. :D

Not that I’m the most mindful White in the universe, but gevalt, MyDDDDD or whoever. It took me all of half an hour to locate JoAnn Wypejewski’s excellent essay about Jackson via Amazon several years ago. Anyone who can google can find it in minutes, and find much more. But they don’t want to. They are the antithesis of adventurous thinkers. The “glamour” of the ‘net can only cover that flaw in their nature for so long.

82. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King

83. D. Throat - 27 February 2007

I think it is despicable that Stoller’s mind jumps to “welfare” when he thinks of “collaborating” with Black people.

84. earth to meg - 27 February 2007

Just wondering how population control is undertaken at one of these “yearly kos” things. I mean, if Harry Reid gets up there and starts his talking-point bullshit, are the “progressives” in the audience going to shout him down? Or do nightstalker, Rex Johnson, and taylormattdreck just start escorting people out since they will probably be hired as bouncers. But kos’ meeting isn’t for progressives, so … my bad. Sorry. Nobody to smack down the speakers.

I’ve been lurking over there since around Katrina, and I recall after that last yearly kos thing in June, there was an important vote soon after. . . Alito? One of the judges? Or bankruptcy? Don’t recall which, but I remember specifically that Harry Reid was on the wrong side of the vote, and here he was just weeks before addressing a “liberal” convention. That meeting is such a charade. As is Reid & Co.

And I never understood the masturbatory drooling over Clark.

85. ms_xeno - 27 February 2007

If you’ll float me five bucks for an espresso and some chocolate, I’ll register over there and start spamming Stoller with the shocking news that most Welfare recipients are White. If that doesn’t finish him off with a terminal case of the vapors, I could try several reputable essays about the not-so-evenhanded Drug Wars [tm] and his party’s invaluable part in them…

86. marisacat - 27 February 2007

New Thread: Slide! The hill, the market, the nation…

earth to meg, it was the Alito vote. A horror. And if anyone asks me the so-called Koswhack machine (LOL) was barely up and running. it was a joke. As were the Dems on the Judiciary. INCOMPETENT. NOT READY. TRAPPED IN THE PAST…

Shoulder to the Plough (on the ALito mess)

87. the paine - 27 February 2007

ms x /mcat
i leave jesse
the man who
gave the wee beastees
scientifically known as
zionia -hegimonica partibi Democratica -
the what for in 84
in your capable hands

and also
the standing Demovation receiving
genojail project

better known as
bum rap a dope

famous on the street
for placing
millions in deform school and prison

and gave a signifigant selection of others
an execution

88. marisacat - 27 February 2007

oops no, sorry! I just clicked on my own link!

Alito was January 2006. ugh I forget was what summer 2006 that the Dems fell down on. Too many to remember!!

89. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 February 2007

Ms xeno #67 – The DP is a loathsome machine, as reflected so beautifully in the loathsomeness of the average Kozzie.

Well, I confess I had thought of the DP as the ‘good guys’ until I began to observe dk for a while. Whether intentionally or not, they do more to drive people away from the DP than any other blog or forum I’ve ever been on. That diary I linked to is what I mean. Someone offers their opinion in a thoughtful way, and they are descended upon by a bunch of thugs as though they had committed a crime. Sickening to any normal person.

the Paine #63 – yes, Congress is where the hope may be but not if we allow the ‘netroots’ to choose the candidates who are deserving of support. Although I think people are awake to that now, and it will not be as easy to get donations for Republican/lites as it was.

Lol, ms xeno – I was reading mydddd today and was astounded at the cluelessness of the so-called, self-appointed ‘leaders of the movement’. They were quite shocked that people online are in sinc. with ‘ordinary Americans’ when it comes to the war etc. And the big revelation was that the ‘people’ are ahead of the ‘netroots leaders’!! What??

I mean who made them ‘leaders’? And, did they really not understand what the online readership was? That it is made up of Americans disgusted with their government? That we are, unlike them, NOT ambitious, self-serving wannabes hoping for a political future and/or recognition from the media we despise? That we are NOT looking for ‘leaders’ online, but for information, to BE the media so that the public is informed?

They really do seem to think it’s all about them. No, it is NOT about silly, immature ‘bloggers’ playing games! We don’t CARE about bloggers. Can they get that through their heads and stop taking up valuable time and space and just get their stupid, egos out of the way of the work that needs to be done. Opportunists are exactly what we do not need right now.

90. liberalcatnip - 27 February 2007

oops no, sorry! I just clicked on my own link!

Try not to do that too often. It can be an alarming experience! (lol)

91. ms_xeno - 28 February 2007
92. ms_xeno - 28 February 2007

Arrgh. Sorry for messing up the tag there, Mcat. :/


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