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”kill people and leave” 19 March 2007

Posted by marisacat in Big Box Blogs, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, WAR!.
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Oh don’t worry, he’s against it Kill and stay on the acquired land, drain the resources, subjugate the people.  Caesar, Tsar, King.  We had best face it.  Later on in the article, McCain makes sure he gets out his “pro-life” bona fides.  Truly, the nation has gone insane.  Christian + fucked + insane. Or the reverse order… it hardly matters.  Insane + fucked + Christian.

A question about abortion provided an opportunity for McCain to seperate himself from other Republicans seeking the nomination.
  
”I am a pro-life person. That’s been a solid 24-year record,” he said. ”I have not changed my position.”

”I have been an advocate for human rights — having been deprived of them for a period in my life — from Burma to Bosnia to China to Cuba, and I believe human rights also extend to that of the unborn,” said McCain, who endured years of torture and deprivation as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

Danny Schechter has a look back at what he wrote 4 years ago:

Later that March I wrote under the subhead Onward Christian Soldiers::

“I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff and our troops during this time of uncertainty and tumult. May God’s peace be your guide,” says the pledge, according to a journalist embedded with coalition forces. The pamphlet, produced by a group called In Touch Ministries, offers a daily prayer to be made for the US president, a born-again Christian who likes to invoke his God in speeches. ”

I’ll bet Christian Broadcasting is reporting heavily on this angle of the story. Actually, The New York Times did mention yesterday that the war itself was hatched with evangelic passion. “The foregone decision to go to war was made in a formal way, by a president conscious of the history of the moment, in the Situation Room on the morning of March 19. With his closest advisers surrounding him, Mr. Bush spoke to General Franks and the other commanders in the field by videoconference and asked each if they had everything they needed to win. Then the president gave the order, an administration official said, concluding with “may God bless the troops.”

“May God bless America,” General Franks replied, as Mr. Powell, the chairman of the joint chiefs during the first gulf war, reached out and lightly touched the president’s hand, said a senior administration official who recounted the scene, “because he’s been on the battlefield before.”

Let us be assured they annointed one another, passing the bloody shirt.

 A snip from his round up of ME press:

Blogger Anwaar Hussein writes from Dubai

This 18th of March, 2007 it will be the 4th anniversary of Iraq’s brutal occupation by American forces and also the 4th birthday of ‘free Iraq’. The only things that have changed are the advanced dates, the even more advanced brutality of the nature of occupation and the addition of some gutless democrats to the cheerleaders on the Capitol Hill.

The bloodletting goes on as America continues to cling to Iraq’s throat like the bulldog named ‘Cherokee’ in Jack London’s ‘White fang’. And like him again, America inches its teeth ever closer to that unfortunate nation’s jugular with each spasmodic jerk of the dying Iraq.

Reports on the ground continue to be accurate… no one with political power in America is listening…. 

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UPDATE,  6:50 am

I felt the need to make these points clear. I appreciate the vast majority of comments and diaries at MyDD, but people need to know what I do not tolerate on this blog.

OK!  OK!  We get it!  You, you! you! you! are the toleraterer. 

Carry on.

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UPDATE, 9:10 am

I would guess that elements of the Democratic party are getting out the hot glue gun, the cement glue, the tape, wire, band-aids, staples, whatever it takes to bandage her up and shove her out… but here is another Hill-arious YouTube.  Courtesy of Politico.com.  From a weekend fundraiser…

Mcat does not discriminate.  We are master, nay! mistressfully!, fully disdainful.  Here is David Ehrenstein in the LA Times… with his uniquely positioned take on Obama:

[A]nd what does the white man get out of the bargain? That’s a question asked by John Guare in “Six Degrees of Separation,” his brilliant retelling of the true saga of David Hampton — a young, personable gay con man who in the 1980s passed himself off as the son of none other than the real Sidney Poitier. Though he started small, using the ruse to get into Studio 54, Hampton discovered that countless gullible, well-heeled New Yorkers, vulnerable to the Magic Negro myth, were only too eager to believe in his baroque fantasy. (One of the few who wasn’t fooled was Andy Warhol, who was astonished his underlings believed Hampton’s whoppers. Clearly Warhol had no need for the accouterment of interracial “goodwill.”)

But the same can’t be said of most white Americans, whose desire for a noble, healing Negro hasn’t faded. That’s where Obama comes in: as Poitier’s “real” fake son.  [snip]

Much work cut out for the Dems.  How will this resolve.  Damned if I know.  I just know I hang my head, trying to ward off the waves of disgust.  The “first” woman.  Adjunct to Bill.  Thanks ever so.  The ”first” Black (they say, thanks Jesse!).  Flat and floured.  A sign, that cannot be refuted, that Civil Rights is just paper and glue.

Edwards.  Sure the south can be as boring and white boy suburban as the rest of the country.  Why the hell not.   He so hails from the bloated “manager class” ‘burbs of Anywhere USA With a Twang.

What a shame.

Oh yes, Bush says Iraq is winnable.  Breaking news, 5th year of the War(s).

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UPDATE, 10 am on the Pacific Ocean…

I could not make this stuff up if I tried

It is easy to criticize, Lord knows I did it for years and years, Bush, the GOP, the Wise Men, et al., but the Dems deserve some criticsim too on this.

hmmm Not sure that what he did for years, at least that I observed, was criticise.  Think it was bitch and moan and scream and abuse.  And that treatment was for other citizens, voters, Democrats and Democratically leaning voters…  Other than that, he observes Atrios has an actual post up.  Well that IS noteworthy, I agree.  Land of the lightly tossed word or two.

I would nit pick over the title, The Netroots and Exiting Iraq, the new version of Sit Down and Shut up.  I don’t think “netroots” will have anything to do, at all, with exiting Iraq, nor with putting pressure on the Dems.  Any Dems.

The bloat, high, low and in-between, goes on.

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UPDATE, 12:40 pm

Oooo really good:  thanks to Nur al-Cubicle , I landed on a meaty analysis from Mike Davis in the New Left Review… a close look at the pivotal 2006 election and a hard look at Bush’s “Surge” and even harder Democratic realities…  It ain’t pretty.

Here are three snips from different sections of the article…

If the recent past is any guide, a seriously populist and ideologically combative Democratic politics is totally incompatible with the Clintonite project of making the Democrats the representatives par excellence of the knowledge economy and corporate globalization.

More specifically, the new Democratic majority must test its ambiguous promises of crusading populism and inclusive centrism against the recalcitrant realities of the four mega-issues that will inevitably dominate the new Congress: (1) the Iraq fiasco and the War on Terrorism; (2) the legacy of Republican congressional corruption and corporate fraud; (3) urgent, unmet social needs (including the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast) in the context of the huge Bush deficits; and (4) the growing unrest over the social costs of economic globalization.

In each case, the hopeful expectations of last November’s voters for real changes in Washington are likely to be betrayed by the higher imperatives of electing Hillary and assuaging big business.

A BIG Bingo! on this one:

This new equation between urban needs, immigrant civil rights and anti-imperialism could become a potent counter-agenda in American politics if it were reinforced by grass-roots activism and consistent protest. But here is the rub. Although the Out of Iraq Caucus has grown to 74 members (more than one-fifth of Democratic House membership) in the wake of the November vote, its clout is considerably diminished by the absence of a national anti-war movement, as well as by the failure of the major progressive trade unions such as seiu, here-unite and the aft to make withdrawal a political priority.

And a last one:

This is the real opportunity [subpoena power] to which the Democrats could rise in theory,

but there is little chance that their leadership will actually allow congressional probes to follow money and corruption all the way upstream.

Progressive hopes that Congress might return to the heroic days of Thurman Arnold’s anti-trust investigations of the late 1930s, or the Watergate Committee’s exposés of Republican law-breaking in the 1970s, are pipe dreams in face of Pelosi’s insistence that Democratic watchdogs be tightly leashed, in the interests of building ‘centrism’.

She has already extracted humiliating loyalty oaths from the two senior Black Democrats most likely to rock the bipartisan boat:

forcing John Conyers (chair of the Judiciary Committee) to recant his advocacy of impeachment (‘the country does not want or need any more paralysed partisan government’, he said recently) and making Charles Rangel, who has hammered Dick Cheney like no one else in Congress, sing a chorus or two of the company song (‘I have to take a leadership view’, he promised). [30]

Even more diabolically, she has put Henry Waxman (‘White House Enemy No. 1’) in charge of ensuring (in the words of analyst Brian Friel) that congressional oversight does not ‘open Democrats up to charges of obstructionism and extremism in the next campaign cycle’. [31]

A quick closing note, do not be put off by what appears (at first) to be an embrace of the veneer of populism over racism/nativism that Webb, Shuler and others are exhibiting… Davis gets to the cold stony heart:

A careful reading of Webb’s ‘class struggle’ article, for example, reveals precisely his belief that Mexican gardeners and investment bankers are coequal exploiters of the native working class, with a ‘vast underground labour pool from illegal immigration’ waiting to drown American values and wages. A strange passage about the ‘unspoken insinuation’ that ‘certain immigrant groups have the “right genetics” and thus are natural entrants to the “overclass”’ can be decoded as a reference to the Yellow Peril fantasies that infuse Webb’s public utterances. As Secretary of the Navy he was one of the principal advocates of a continuing Cold War with China, which he later saw developing a ‘strategic axis with the Muslim world’, and he broke with Bush policies in Iraq precisely because he feared that Rumsfeld was criminally ‘empowering’ the real enemies—Iran and China. [50]

Other than that…  

Draw the curtain, pretend not to see the blood seeping across the floor boards, building to a crashing wave…

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Comments

1. Tuston - 19 March 2007

OH Happy JOY JOY!

Its the Iraq War 4th anniversary.

Whoohoo!

I’m gonna polish my plastic jezus and clean my rifle to celebrate.

2. supervixen - 19 March 2007

I believe human rights also extend to that of the unborn

But not to women. Women aren’t allowed to have control over their own bodies.

3. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Look how often must you uppity beyatches be told?!

It’s barefoot always, and stay in the kitchen and bedroom or else…

GMA’s Sawyer got Rice on and CR looks very, very unhappy. Disney looks like they’re starting to really push aqainst Iraq; they really questioned (with stats) the “better off without saddam”

Beware blondes who appear to be “ditzy,” often they have minds that would give Machiavelli or Sun Tzu pause…

Wow. Monday MSM morning druel actually has substance today, oooh wait on to the missing boyscout…well it still looks promising.

4. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Arrggh! I really need to find really different adverb than really.

Really.

I mean, verily or forsooth.

P.S. sorry if the sarcasm above is too offensive…I’ll tone it down if any of youse is bothered by my obnoxious humor.

5. marisacat - 19 March 2007

LOL Keep it up.

6. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Speaking of Radical Blondes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo

I love it until it turns into a Obamama commercial (last 5 seconds or so). Whatever. I think Billary is in for a world of hurt though..

7. marisacat - 19 March 2007

Is that “Hillary 1984″???

what a hoot that is… I guess we are all supposed to cringe cringe cringe.

Maybe my “sisterhood” affect is just broken for Hillary. Some sort of non reciprocation clause she evokes… LOL

I feel she makes common cause with her fundraisers. Period. Of course, same iwth the rest of them. She is not exceptional.

I caught a NYO reporter this am (C_Span) saying they are all quite taken with the added push for heavy money this cycle. How fast the ranks are closing, how big the initial money must be.. and so on…

Now when a Manhattan gossip and politics reporter (Lizzy Ratner) is taken aback… welllll…

8. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Hillary sucks.

And its sucks worse that the first “serious” woman contender for POTUS is a tired dish-sponge of coporate plate cleaner. Nature of the beast I suppose.

Went to the toleraterer link. TFFW. Why does Bowers 8 point list remind me of TC in Mission Impossible trailer? Maybe CB is a scientologist too. I wonder if he’s a Thetan-7?

I found this cute little comment there:

yeah there really aren’t enough advertisers that would come here without having a conflicting agenda… But you know if mydd DID become a money making operation somehow that’s money than can be spent on improving the web site and financing campaigns…Private money doesn’t always have to be used towards selfish ends…

9. marisacat - 19 March 2007

LOl we are all progressive priests. Nose to the cause grindstone.

What fakes and fakers the Boyz are…

10. marisacat - 19 March 2007

Stand Back! We are awash in CONFESSIONS!!

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

WALEED MOHAMMED BIN ATTASH HAS CONFESSED TO THE BOMBING OF THE USS COLE IN 2000 THAT KILLED 17 U.S. SAILORS

http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

He is not bin Laden, but he is a “bin”, we must be safer!

I feel SO MUCH BETTER.

11. marisacat - 19 March 2007

El PResidente is about to address the nation. So says Charlie Gibson…

Wave a banana palm frond at the tin pot dictator, he has the codes, don’t forget. Play nice. Be civil..

12. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Goofy Gibson is giving a major pushback immediately with their Iraqi poll results that he promises to push the numbers all week. 5 years late and a conspiracy or 15 short.

One thing seem sure: Disney is off the War Wagon (well, at least the bush war wagon).

13. marisacat - 19 March 2007

I know everyone is breathless.

He said …

“It won’t be easy”.

Well, now, see here, think for a minute, don’t be too harsh… it is true, there is not a lot left to say… except what has been said ad nauseum before…

And to be fair, he said it is winnable.

14. marisacat - 19 March 2007

we are just bonkers. Think of all the levels we are lying on… lies here, lies there. The dog and the Englishman lie out in the Noon day sun. We don’t even know it is high noon.

have a drink. Even Martha Raddatz just said, he has given this speech so many times before.

Could everyone take the masks off?

I guess not. Back to GMA. Still Disney.

15. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Yeah I should be careful with that off the wagon stuff.

I can’t help but notice how the minor difference in reporting is joined at the hip with a blase, “here have some more Teacher Sex scandal cake”

We can’t gulliotoine ourselves out of this.

We do we go from here?

16. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Meanwhile in Bagdad and peaceful Kirkuk the bombs are a exploding:

NYT Link

I don’t believe I can repeat this enough, watch Kirkuk in the run up to the Dec referendum on their “final status”. I ain’t no expert but man, o man it looks like big trouble in the near future..

17. marisacat - 19 March 2007

I caught a really dull NPR guy on Cspan over the weekend… not a swift guy shall we say.. and he said the violence is just moving north.

While the crack down is on in Baghdad they will jsut relocate. Then in 7, 8, 10 months move back down.

I still say they are aiming to take down an airliner. SOmething with less security, like a medic flight out to Landstuhl… soemthing like that.

WHen they can advance from bringing down copters.. things will change big time.

18. lucid - 19 March 2007

Here’s a fun one. It’s complete with petulant nattering about Marx from those who have obviously never cracked a book with his name on it. The site continues to sadly amuse.

19. outofwater - 19 March 2007

Who is Clem Yeobright? He is a nasty sob bouncer, so he must be wildly popular, but I don’t remember him.

He must be a reincarnation or sock puppet but of whom?

Wow! You really spent some time on that! (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Elise
I am deeply impressed that somebody would feel so strongly and invest so much of him/herself in trying to run somebody else’s site!

Imagine if you put that energy into something constructive?

We’re going to miss you, BH … I mean, I’m sure somebody somewhere will miss you someday somehow … if not here, if not now, if not me …

Don’t let the door hit you, okay?

You kids behave or I’m turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! – god

by Clem Yeobright on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:01:49 AM CDT

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Sorry to disappoint you … (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Robert in WV
… but I have no intention of leaving. Nor am I attempting to run someone else’s site. Where in the world did you get those ideas? Do you think that any critical commentary about site policies counts as “running someone else’s site”? If I perceive a double standard, am I not allowed to say so, and explain why?

As long as I’m replying to you, would you care to explain the troll-rate? Could you tell me which of the dKos guidelines for troll-rating you think apply in this case? Do you think that any critical commentary about site policies warrants a troll-rate?

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

by Buckeye Hamburger on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:22:49 AM CDT

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The old-fashioned way: you EARNED it! (0 / 0)

What an utter waste of your time, and mine …

You kids behave or I’m turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! – god

by Clem Yeobright on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 07:28:22 AM CDT

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Of course (0 / 0)

What an utter waste of your time, and mine
is not in the TR guidelines, IIRC.

Actually, this:

If you disagree, you can say so, but so long as the commentor is stating their opinion civilly, merely disagreeing with your own opinion does not constitute being a “troll”.
is part of the linked entry.

The TR was not appropriate.

by Robert in WV on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 08:40:43 AM CDT

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But it would be OK if I paid cash, right? (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:Annalize5, Robert in WV

Here we have an interesting illustration of what I mean.

Asked for the grounds for a troll-rate, Clem has responded with haughty and content-free disdain. So I can only assume that Clem thinks that the standard applies as set forth in the guidelines for troll-rating:

When you Troll Rate something, as a trusted user, you are stating that the comment should be made invisible to all site users. You’re saying that the comment is so bad — so disruptive or damaging to the community — that it isn’t worth even a debate, but should be deleted from the discussion as being simply inflammatory, simply off-topic, or simply a lie.
And in fact, if enough TU’s agree with Clem, then my atrocious comment would be rendered invisible, and I would be banned altogether from the Daily Kos.

However, one could conclude from the guidelines quoted by MissLaura above that I could publish that very same content, although it was disparaged by Clem as an example of time-wasting worthlessness and categroized through troll-ratings as “so bad .. that it isn’t even worth a debate”, prominently on the front page of the Daily Kos; as long as I pay cash for it as an advertiser. And that would be entirely unobjectionable.

Conceivably, some Kossacks might comment that this is a garish double standard, on the one hand disappearing my content, on the other hand publishing it for all to see, depending on whether or not I forked over enough moolah. Some Kossacks might object that this contributes to a terrible condition of American politics, in which access to public forums is determined to a large extent by the depth of pockets rather than by the merits of the speech.

But presumably Clem would troll-rate the Kossacks who would dare to express such abonimable opinions, with expressions of huffy derision.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

by Buckeye Hamburger on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:00:25 AM CDT

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You are right (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:Annalize5

The rigid requirements to stay here have driven many away, because, as you suggest, users vote with their feet. Check it out, Kos’s viewers and rank are about where they were 1 ½ years ago. His rate of decline is more dramatic than any political blog.

Eventually, there will be just 12 of you nipping at each other endlessly. That will be blogger paradise for your little “community.”

by EasternOkie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:25:05 AM CDT

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So go! (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:Elise

It is so sad to see someone warning others how much they will miss him/her.

The 12 of us will get along just fine.

Bye bye!

You kids behave or I’m turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! – god

by Clem Yeobright on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 09:59:41 AM CDT

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I’ve seen you here complaining about this (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:Clem Yeobright

very thing for MONTHS now…

which leads me to believe that you have NOT been “driven away”…you can’t stop coming back!!

Read Feminisms Wednesdays and Take Action

by Elise on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:25:54 AM CDT

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Elsie, (0 / 0)

I’ve post here very rarely, so your exaggeration of my input on this matter is quite flattering. It must mean you pay close attention to my infrequent comments. With the thousands of comments made at DK daily, that sort of influence puts me in a select group. Thanks.

What has been done to this place saddens and frustrates me, even as I visit less and less often. DK could have done good, and with what is left some will do well. But as I’ve said, the gravy train will stop, at this rate, sooner than you realize.

Until I’m banned (an inevitability), I’ll express those feelings. My advice to you is that you live with it or have me removed immediately. Those are your only choices. In the meantime, as I continue to post my observations about the decline of DK, the knowledge that you are paying such close attention to my opinions will be of great encouragement.

All the best to in your police duties, I seriously believe you have everything it takes to make it to the front page.

by EasternOkie on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:04:50 PM CDT

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20. marisacat - 19 March 2007

NOSE diiiiive! That nose they claim is hunkered down to the grindstone of the Noble Cause.

Some cause somewhere… Hope the Boesendorfer is paid for.

21. missdevore - 19 March 2007

I just love seeing a headline “Justices hear “Bong hits for Jesus” Of course the formal case likely has a dull name.

22. missdevore - 19 March 2007

czech out the bizarre photo here (no, it’s not a blow-up doll)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17687323/

23. Sabrina Ballerina - 19 March 2007

I’m still laughing after reading Chris Bowers’ post. Irony totally escapes them and the sheep (or are they operators) in the comments. ‘We are not Daily Kos’ lol, then he goes on to post an exact replica of an all too familiar Kos screed. Too funny.

The same tired old talking points designed to shut up real progressives. As if they could. Derision of those who are out actually doing something about ending this travesty of a war. And, gasp. it is a crime to want to ‘know the truth about 9/11′!! Why know the truth about anything, just follow like little rabid lambs to the slaughter.

The real question about the ads, Beck etc. is why would a vicious, homophobic, vile rightwinger like Beck spend money to advertise on a site like dk or mydd? Is he into throwing money away, or ….. could it be that he knows his audience? Who DO they think they’re kidding! And why are they always having to defend and explain themselves?

Given our mission and areas of focus, any diary that overtly supports a candidate for American office that is not a Democrat will be deleted (when I finally notice it). In some cases, it will result in banning. Quite frankly, if I did not do that on a website where I was responsible for the content, I would quite possibly be in violation of the bylaws of the Pennsylvania State Democratic Committee, on which I hold a seat. We clearly don’t always like what Democrats do, but in the end only Democrats get endorsed.

Ohh but he is a private owner of a site who makes independent decisions about the rules of that site. Sure, and there really is a Santa Claus. And even bad Democrats, war and torture-supporting Demcorats, get endorsed. Dead troops and innocent victims of our illegal wars be damned. What was that fantasy he had about being part of a revolution? It really is too funny for words. And they wonder why an increasing numer of Americans see no difference between the them and Republicans.

Lol, no, you are NOT daily kos, Mr Bowers! Guess he got a call from his masters with the usual memo, slightly altered for distribution to the ‘not dk’ sites. Not altered enough, because it sure does sound familiar.

Well, there was one independent thinker in the thread -

24. Sabrina Ballerina - 19 March 2007

Oow, I remember Clem Yeobright, a very nasty and not too bright (easily destroyed in any argument) wannabe. Perfect representative of DK. He just got wiped out in that attempt at an argument, but is too stupid to realize it.

I love the argument about the troll-rated comment being totally acceptable and even defended by the troll-raters, if it were to appear as a paid-for ad. So true, which is why they are so contemptible. No better, perhaps worse than, the worst of the rabid rightwing because they pretend to be something they are not.

And their numbers are still falling – can’t wait to see them try to sell a war-supporting presidential candidate after the primaries.

25. marisacat - 19 March 2007

Oh I had a good laugh over this one. If it is about anything but Lieberman it is history. And confused history.

Don’t miss it.

Short version, this is not solid ground for Stoller… LOL

[B]roadly Atrios is right – DC has been a home for an elite ruling class since 1968, but it didn’t get really radical until 1994.

We can’t forget that somehow David Broder managed to make peace with a Democratic Congress, and that those dinner parties had a lot of Democrats on the invite list.

The most prominent of these Democrats now serve on bipartisan commissions like the Iraq Study Group and the new one on Walter Reed, or create think tanks on bipartisanship and farm policy or entitlements (money to regular Americans, bad!). They helped sandbag Clinton when he came into office (Sam Nunn for instance), setting the stage for the loss of the Midwest and the South and the decline of a moderate center. The left had already died a long time before that.

UPDATE: Maybe DC has been a company town for a lot longer. I’m reading about Truman and the crushing Democratic midterm loss he presided over in 1946 (which was as bad as the loss in 1994). Tell me if this doesn’t remind you of Lieberman. [snip]

And chicklet (yes that was age-ist), ya just helped vote in a whole new crowd of Bloo Dogs and New Dems.

Rahm is laughing at YOU!

26. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

ya just helped vote in a whole new crowd of Bloo Dogs and New Dems.

Sometimes I don’t know if they are being truly disingenuous or just stupid…

I think the age has a lot to do with it… Reagan youths

27. marisacat - 19 March 2007

well… anyone who recently assgns the designation of “company town” to DC is loopless. Looplesser. Looplost. But link rich, of course…

it is all about The Blahger Boyz. Or, from time to time, about their wants / needs and itty bitty battles (yes that would be The Edwards Bloggers, felled in their own chosen industry and clueless, loopless but! not iwthout links.) You have to laugh.

Watch them fell FOX on the Great Battlefield of Unequal Media, as Clinton and McAuliffe let their tongues fall out, their salivary glands overworking (smelling salts!) for O’Reilly as he promises ot “move some books” for them.

LOL so who cares about history. Of a little ol’ Southern town called Washington.

28. marisacat - 19 March 2007

LOL… Cute cute cute. And if they play at debate, does that make it so???

IRAQ: Running On The War, Not Ending It

The House Leadership’s Iraq supplemental appropriations bill continues to divide online anti-war activists as the final floor vote approaches. MoveOn sent an e-mail to its members noting that while many progressive members believe the bill does not go far enough, they also “see it as the first concrete step to ending the war.” MoveOn is still undecided on the bill and the email asks their members: “Should we support or oppose the Democrats’ plan?”

Daily Kos’ mcjoan puts a slightly more slanted question to Daily Kos’ readers: “Given the fact that the bill is little more than a non-binding resolution expressing Congress’s wishes for the war along with more funding for it, I put it to Kossacks: Do you support or oppose the Democrats’ plan?” With more than 6K voting, a slim 51% majority of Daily Kos readers support the appropriations bill.

DemHillStaffer quickly took issue with mcjoan’s characterization of the legislation: “the requirement that benchmarks be met or else there’s a withdrawal is still there. so is the withdrawal by sept 2008. this isn’t a fair summary.”

[hang on for the hot debate!]

Mcjoan fired back: ” There’s nothing in the bill that enforces that. They say that the war would be illegal beyond Sept. 2008, but include nothing in the bill to make it so.”

Not participating at Daily Kos, but still following the debate at Talk Left, Big Tent Democrat highlights certain arguments in the thread including MyDD’s Matt Stoller:

“My strategic end goal is to end the war. To do that involves a process of showing that the Democratic caucus is unified behind putting restrictions on Bush and his ability to fight the war, and then using that pressure to remove Republicans (and wayward Democrats) from office in 2008.”

BTD responds: “All the blather about communications strategies and making the war illegal, etc. was just so much talk. But at least Stoller is now forthright about it.”

BTD then quotes DemHillStaffer again: “If [Bush] ignores [the House proposal], we sue and the courts enforce it. if he ignores that, we’re in massive constitutional crisis.” BTD then hammers his point home: “See? The plan is to sue Bush in October 2008, one month before an election and expect the Supreme Court to do what it never has done – involve itself in matters of war. This is a dishonest joke. IF the House Dems wanted to end the Iraq Debacle, they would NOT fund it. But they do not want to end it. They want to RUN ON IT in 2008.”

[more debate!]

BTD finishes his post by recommending The Nation’s editorial urging Dems “to use the full power accorded Congress in time of war: the power of the purse.” Daily Kos’ BarbinMD also recommends the item: “Should we as Democrats support the supplemental spending bill? The Nation emphatically says no and advocates the Barbara Lee proposal for a fully-funded withdrawal by the end of the year. Others say yes, anticipating perceived political points and the suggestion that we have to start somewhere. And me? I say no for the simple reason that the bill doesn’t do a damn thing.”

“full power of congress”… all they have done for decades is concede power.

From Blogometer, their version has all the myriad links. BTD also led off the top of today’s Blogometer posting.

And he is so new to Blogsnottery! Who knew?

29. outofwater - 19 March 2007

Oow, I remember Clem Yeobright, a very nasty and not too bright .

You are too kind.

He reminds me of someone, but I can’t place him. His UID makes him late to the game, but I don’t think so. Oh well.

30. marisacat - 19 March 2007

here is the link to yesterday’s Late Edition – not just Trump, it is loaded iwth people…

31. missdevore - 19 March 2007

a little air punched out of the LV blow-up doll:


Knock it off with the goddam purist BS already. (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Inky, redstar

It’s old, it’s rude, and it adds diddly effing squat of any constructive substance to the discussion.

Fed up with spineless Dems? Getcher Spineless Citations (PDF) here!

by Mehitabel9 on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 12:14:05 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

*
And Purist whining and ignoring reality (0 / 0)

is constructive?????

Please. So long as people post diaries demanding that the war be ended NOW!!!! while ignoring the very impossibility of such a demand and the political reality of the moment, I will demean them.

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
I support Barack Obama for President.

by Lucius Vorenus on Mon”

32. arcturus1 - 19 March 2007

have any you well-read folks come across anything about the Palo Alto VA hospital? I heard a protestor in front of Pelosi’s SF office (there’s a demo going on today) who sd she turned against after war after seeing what was happening in PA (called the “Walter Reed of the west coast”)

33. outofwater - 19 March 2007

MC-

Everything’s a lie. It’s all a big lie.

Now if a schmuck like Trump can come across as an uber-leader by using the L word, imagine what a real leader would sound like if she said it? It’s pathetic that the best spokesman for the truth is a megalomaniacal, misogynistic, jerk. What’s worse is that based on his performance yesterday, I’d vote for him over any of the current frontrunners on either side of the isle.

34. Sabrina Ballerina - 19 March 2007

This is a dishonest joke. IF the House Dems wanted to end the Iraq Debacle, they would NOT fund it. But they do not want to end it. They want to RUN ON IT in 2008.”

btd

Well, anyone who read Kos’s fp post, quite a while ago now, where he made a blase ‘oh well’ type statement re the war not ending before the 2008 election. Seemed to me then, that he was merely parroting the Party’s policy on Iraq. They had no intention of ending, I assumed he had some inside info on that being that his blog is merely an arm of the DP. And I thought it was pretty blatant at the time. If I had the fortitude to wade through his posts, I’d try to find it. It may have been as early as Jan.

Then came the excuses ‘they haven’t even been in office for a month so stfu about the war’ and ‘I care more about healthcare etc and they are busy doing that. I’m perfectly happy with the Dems.’ (this from the ever-dimwitted elise and a few other equally dim kossacks). Lol, but when btd began his campaign against the Dems, the dim witted easily changed course and suddenly the war was the issue! Until he was ‘out’, now I presume they are back ‘we’re happy with the Dems’. Well, they do have to try to please I suppose.

It must be hard twisting in the wind, trying to ascertain which way it is blowing especially when scratching and clawing your way to ‘the top’ …. of a blog? Rotfl! And especially when it isn’t clear who you need to suck up to for a while. It helps I suppose not to think too much or worry about letting principles get in the way.! Just follow. Whoever is the perceived leader on any particular day.

Oow, I try to be kind to the intellectually challenged – their delicate sensibilities and thin skin make them all too easy targets. It would be cruel.

I expect all of them to be swept away by the ever increasing tide of public opinion anyway. They simply do not get the importance of the issues, the two cited most often by voters in November, The War and Corruption. George Bush got Democrats elected. I expect if they continue to support his war, he (and this time with their assitance) will be responsible when they lose in 2008 also.

The ‘netroots’ have made themselves irrelevant, they occupy a tiny corner of the blogosphere, nothing more. A sort of third rate soap opera providing little other than mild entertainment at this point.

They did nothing to elect Democrats, it was Bush, his war and his corrupt administration. So, what will they use in 2008 to get support for their next crop of (cough)’progressive candidates’?

Are they really so delusional that they think there would have been any support at all for some of these Dems had it not been for Bush? If so, I think they are in for a shock if this war rages on and Dems continue to pretend they can do nothing about it. If keeping the war going is actually their election strategy, I’d love to know whose cynical idea that was! But yes, I remember kos’ post all but endorsing it.

35. arcturus1 - 19 March 2007

Stauber / Rampton: Why Won’t MoveOn Move Forward?:

If MoveOn were serious about ending the war, now would be an opportune moment to mobilize its millions of members and make it finally happen. Instead, its current strategy is dead weight, aimed more at fooling its members into thinking they are pushing forward when in fact they are merely lighting candles. . . .

If the war ends this year, the debate during the 2008 congressional and presidential elections will turn to “who lost Iraq.” If the war continues into next year, however, Democrats will benefit as the de facto “anti-war party,” no matter how feckless their opposition in the meantime.

skippity-doo-dah . . .

36. arcturus1 - 19 March 2007

linguist & human rights activist Tanya Reinhart, author of Roadmap to Nowhere, RIP:

“I argue that the reason that the U.S. exerted even limited pressure on Israel, for the first time in recent history, was because at that moment in history it was no longer possible to ignore world discontent over its policy of blind support of Israel. This shows that persistent struggle can have an effect, and can lead governments to act. Such struggle begins with the Palestinian people, who have withstood years of brutal oppression, and who, through their spirit of zumud–sticking to their land – and daily endurance, organizing and resistance, have managed to keep the Palestinian cause alive, something that not all oppressed nations have managed to do. It continues with international struggle–solidarity movements that send their people to the occupied territories and stand in vigils at home, professors signing boycott petitions, subjecting themselves to daily harassment, a few courageous journalists that insist on covering the truth, against the pressure of acquiescent media and pro-Israel lobbies. Often this struggle for justice seems futile. Nevertheless, it has penetrated global consciousness. It is this collective consciousness that eventually forced the U.S. to pressure Israel into some, albeit limited, concessions. . The Palestinian cause can be silenced for a while, as is happening now, but it will resurface.”

Chomsky’s tribute is at the CP link above. Her articles often appeared there.

more this morning on Democracy Now! (including tape of her voice)

(kpfa is live broadcasting the speakers from the Pelosi protest today)

37. bayprairie - 19 March 2007

LV said

…while ignoring the very impossibility of such a demand and the political reality of the moment…

the words of one resigned to defeat.

short piece from counterpunch that kinda ties in…

Democratic leaders have consistently shown that they are no match for their Republican counterparts. Whenever an opportunity presents itself to swoop down for the kill; congressional Democrats start preening for the cameras or bloviating on the floor of the House.

That’s not how you get things done in Washington. If the Democrats are serious about ruling, they ought to bring a sledgehammer to work and start pounding away at the obstacles.

:::snip:::

But are they up to it?

caspar milquetoast anybody?

38. Tuston - 19 March 2007

What is it about these orange people?

Its like they lack the gene to appreciate irony or something.

From Terrance “uncle rufus” DC

…I’ve not been willing to defend African Americans anymore against charges of being more homophobic than other groups. I know it’s controversial to say that black people are more homophobic than other people, but my personal experience has been that most black people are more homophobic than are most white people I’ve encountered, and defnitely more homophobic as a group than is the general population…

snip

Black people may not have invented homophobia, but too many have embraced it, and wield it as a weapon without realizing that it is one that have been used against them in the past and is being used against them even now. The difference is merely that the weapon has changed hands. After all, one can whip a slave to keep him in line, but the real victory is when that slave is succesfully convinced to whip others and himself.

Indeed.

39. marisacat - 19 March 2007

thanks for that arcturus… I used to catch her articles as Schechter would link to them…

40. marisacat - 19 March 2007

Poor Terrance. He so wanted to belong over the No Diversity Luncheon with Papa Bill at the Clinton Harlem Plantation.

And apparently still hoping. He started out well and crumpled to the NetRoots. OR the Boyz. Or soemthing.

41. JJB - 19 March 2007

ROTFLOL!!!

. . . Atrios has an actual post up. Well that IS noteworthy, I agree. Land of the lightly tossed word or two.

Yeah, another stupid thread.

Yeah, another stupid thread.

Yeah, another stupid thread.

Yeah, another stupid thread.

Yeah, another stupid thread.

Keep doing that long enough, and you have a BBB website.

And they say Philly is a boring town!

42. Sabrina Ballerina - 19 March 2007

Miss D. #30 – lol, the thin-skinned ‘watb’ LV strikes again! We simply must not deny the charge of purity. We must embrace and be proud of it.

Another sign of their complete cultishness is the repeated use of the language of the cult. Saw it in the MYDD thread also. Unthinking sheep, and whoever called them ‘rabid lambs’ ( I forget) was so on target.

It is a way to identify them and who they work for actually. But I am proud of being ‘pure’ when it comes to principles and in fact did say something like to one of them a while ago. I believe I thanked the little brownshirt for the compliment after which I heard no more from him/her.

This I learned from my online combat experience with rightwingers. Take their intended insults and adapt them. Ridicule them but never, ever go on the defensive. Never give them the response they expect. ‘Well of course I’m pure when it comes to principles, thank you, but are you implying that progressives, like the rightwing we are purportedly fighting, should NOT be principled? Wtf, is this not a progressive board?’

Fun to watch them scramble when their teeny, tiny bombs are thrown back in their faces. When there is no defensive response. Their little book of rules instructs them on the expected response to the stupid, silly ‘purity’ nonsense which is – ‘I’m not a purity troll, but’ – but what is wrong with being a ‘purity troll’? That is what I was on every rightwing board I ever posted on and am damn proud of it.

Please. So long as people post diaries demanding that the war be ended NOW!!!! while ignoring the very impossibility of such a demand and the political reality of the moment, I will demean them.

So Congressional power is a myth, huh? Apparently not for the so-called ‘minority’ Republican Party. What a fool he is.

Disgusting little man – demeaning Demoratic voters – sadistic, stupid and indicative of a very disturbed personality. But then what other type of personality would sign up to be a thug who foolishly believes they can browbeat voters into voting against their better judgement. Pathological is what they are. It is a brownshirt mentality, no question about it.

43. cad - 19 March 2007

geez, chris bowers sounds just like kos: dismisive, authoritative and full of shit.can you imagine the smug factor when they get together to count their cash?

i love it when they attack sites that put up coulter, kos calls lieberman bought and paid for…but when it comes to their ad revenue, BACK OFF.

no wonder they hate purity trolls.

44. marisacat - 19 March 2007

On Charlie Rose I just saw a picture of a hymenectomy. Apparently quite popular in parts of the world. Physically restored virginity. Don’t let Promise Keepers and Purity Ball dads hear about it…

He ws interviewing a young woman photographer who had managed to get a patient in the ME hospital where the surgeon doing these practices… (I missed which country) to agree to be photographed on the operating table if her anonymity was preserved.

For some reason I thought of the purity games. And the mating call for an “energetic girl”.

And of course, on the horrific side, all the rapes in Iraq… from our servicemen on women in the military and on Iraqis.

45. Tuston - 19 March 2007

All Pain, No Gain. Works for all the fundementalist Xtian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu,etc.

So much trouble over tissue; maybe some research could be done to re-unite me with my tonsils..

46. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

Terrance “uncle rufus” DC what a fucking fool. I tell you it is the only way for any AA to make their stripes in Orange sloptopia… it is acceptable to be gay…but not Black

Same shit a that idiot Pam both married to whites and hate Black people.

47. missdevore - 19 March 2007

hymenectomy would be surgical breaking of the hymen; hymenoplasty would be the restoration procedure.

(ask Dr. Devore!)

48. marisacat - 19 March 2007

well I thought that after I wrote it.. but that was the word used.

A confused mess.

49. Tuston - 19 March 2007

a pound o’ flesh by any other name.

50. marisacat - 19 March 2007

SF Chronicle Carla Marinucci has a piece up on the Hillary “1984″ ad

51. supervixen - 19 March 2007

What’s “impossible” about ending the war NOW? What utter bullshit. The war is not working, it’s a huge waste of treasure and blood, it was a mistake from the beginning and is a worse mistake with every day that it continues. What is “impossible” is allowing it to go on.

Do you think this kind of rank incompetence, this kind of brazen disregard for the consequences of one’s actions, would survive for long in the business world? What we have here is a CEO who’s been running his company into the ground for four years and keeps telling the stockholders “Better times are just around the corner!” Well, this charade has gone on too fucking long. This is why Trump is against the war – he’s an asshole, but he’s a good businessman, and he understands that when you’re not profiting from a business venture you have to dump it.

52. BooHooHooMan - 19 March 2007

My god I have this nausea after reviewing MSOC’s diary on dk replete with Jason Melrath aka Lucious Vorenus predictable bullshit. The Bowers link on mydd is the same shit.

53. Tuston - 19 March 2007

Allawi in “Secret Talks” with Coalition MPs
Ex-PM to Visit Iran Shortly

Photo by Khaled Desouki/AFP.
Iyad Allawi, speaking in a press conference in Cairo on Sunday. The leader of the largest opposition bloc in the Iraqi parliament is conducting “secret negotiations” with members of parliament affiliated with the governing coalition.

Iyad Allawi, leader of the recently formed opposition bloc, is negotiating with members of the governing United Iraqi Coalition in hopes of poaching members from the ruling coalition to bring down the Maliki government an, Al-Melaf reports in Arabic.

snip

The role of the United States in Allawi’s efforts to orchestrate a withdrawal of parliamentary confidence from the Maliki government is not yet clear. The American ambassador accompanied Allawi on a recent visit to meet with officials in the Kurdish areas, and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt are US allies in the region

IraqSlogger

Bush says be patient. Change is comming.

Ohhh Lardy, this shit is trite.

54. marisacat - 19 March 2007

BHHM

LOL thanks for the tip there is amusement over at orange juice….

My senior Senator, Feinstein, voted for the IWR. So did my candidate for President in 2004 — John F. Kerry. I gave them the benefit of a lot of doubt in that their “No” votes, by themselves, wouldn’t have changed the outcome. That’s what I told myself. That’s what I told everybody.

Kinda late. Rather like DD. It probably helped to read a lot – all along. And not be taken in. Yessssssssssss I remember the lectures all thru 2004.

I am not likely to forget those exhortatory lectures any time soon.

55. Sabrina Ballerina - 19 March 2007

Bayprairie the words of one resigned to defeat. exactly. That is what the netroots are, defeatists. Congress does have the power to end this war. Democrats could end it.

Funny cartoon, btw –

Feingold is adding an amendment which would pick a date and refuse to fund the war after that.

It has become increasingly clear that the only way we are going to be able to end the President’s failed policies in Iraq is by setting a date after which funding for the war will end. Those who argue that we should somehow defer to the President are wrong. The President has sent our country down a failed path and because he has abdicated his responsibility to correct the course for far too long, it’s now up to Congress to provide much needed leadership.

Congress has the power and the responsibility to bring the situation in Iraq to an end. I plan to continue to press the issue by offering an amendment to the upcoming supplemental funding bill that would use the ‘power of the purse’ to safely redeploy our troops out of Iraq.

Feingold Amendment

Still won’t work imo, because it is attached to a bill which, if even if it passes, will be vetoed.

56. lucid - 19 March 2007

Apparently quite popular in parts of the world. Physically restored virginity.

!!!!

No Words. Just complete disillusionment with the world.

57. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

Glancing over Terrance’s bullshit diary…it reminded me of the “Blacks hate du jour” of 10-15 years ago when the flava was …Blacks against Jews… there was many a hand wringing why Blacks didn’t like Jews … culminating pumped up overblown Jesse Jackson’s “Hymietown” remark that was made within earshot of a journalist.

Then as now… instead of Black gays lined up to denouced the wickedness of Black… every Black gay that could be unearth was pushed into the limelight to denounce the Black hatred of Jews… the one writer I can remember was Julius Lester a converted African American Jew who found ample opportunity to call out the religous bigotry of Blacks.

I am not saying that no Black dislike Gays or Jews… I am just questioning the ridiculous lengths that some “progressives” are intent on brushing the entire Black population with one brush…and particulary NO ONE ELSE. They seem intent on dividing and supressing….

As for the pathetic GOP paid Black clergy who spew this shit is a hell of a lot different than the Loweries, Jacksons and Sharptons that have always held gay rights as an integral part of civil rights. Yet, Pam et al have no problem with the “Faith based bribes” that are fueling the hatred from the pulpits.

Listening to the so called Net Rootz Inc. black gay spokepersons Pam (who hangs with the biggest racist on blaghsnotopia Aravosis) and pathetically needy Terrance you will never hear the real AA side. They are the DLC of GBLT Black activist… not the Audre Lords or John Amachi… just wananbe centrist get alongers…

58. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

Physically restored virginity

I have heard “superglue” is very popular… no joke.

59. Tuston - 19 March 2007

So now we know why Jason’s Vagina is soooo Lucious. Primed for the Immaculate Misconception. Maybe he can do the meanie-babies birth via c-tuck and maintain that svelte figure (/not)

60. supervixen - 19 March 2007

If Feingold keeps this up, he might end up positioning himself to be a frontrunner for Prez, Jewish or not.

The American people DON’T LIKE THIS WAR. Dems who can’t pick up on that concept are going to be in big trouble. What’s up with these much-vaunted political operatives – brilliant geniuses that they are, haven’t they figured this out yet?

61. supervixen - 19 March 2007

restored virginity – much like “reality TV”.

62. New Fake Name - 19 March 2007

OOh!

Bless the Community Warriors for stomping out the latest “CT-er” wrong-thinking ‘Rosie O’Donnell questions the official 911 stories on her blog’ diarist on DK.

And who is this commenter quoting here?

The Deciderer says… (1+ / 0-)

Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.

by choosepp on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:22:37 AM PDT

63. New Fake Name - 19 March 2007
64. New Fake Name - 19 March 2007

Another helpful comment from one of the Dkos thought-traffic patrol:

This is the wrong place to post this. (0+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Ahianne

Kos has a rule against people posting conspiracy theories on his website. He has every right to regulate content on this place. If you want to post about this stuff, go to Booman or My Left Wing and post it there. They do not have rules against claims that “the official story of 911 is not true.”

Conservatism is Dead!

by Eternal Hope on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 11:54:03 AM PDT

65. Sabrina Ballerina - 19 March 2007

Kinda late. Rather like DD. It probably helped to read a lot – all along. And not be taken in. Yessssssssssss I remember the lectures all thru 2004.

I am not likely to forget those exhortatory lectures any time soon.

Lol, Marisacat, if only he had listened to you back then. He would not be fighting so hard to protect his beloved appeasing Dems now. He can never say you didn’t try to tell him.

SV, Feingold is right, but Bush will veto any bill that comes to his desk if it cuts off funding. They should do it anyway, but he has never had support from his Dem. colleagues on this before. I doubt he’ll get it now.

Like moths to a flame, the real trolls, appeasers, apologists, operatives and defeatists descended on the msoc diary because it, gasp, criicized Dems. And to think we used to criticize the right for covering for their party, once upon a time.

Anyway, while the defeatists at dk are busy defending the indefensible, George Bush is issueing a warning to Congress about defunding the war. It really is pathetic. Sometimes I think that dk works for Bush. If they don’t he ought to pay them anyway.

Bush cautions Congress about Iraq war funds
In remarks on anniversary, president says he wants bill ‘without strings’

Bush ridiculed House Democrats’ legislation to remove troops, a measure he has promised to veto because it contains a timeline. He called it an abdication of U.S. commitments to Iraqis.

“There’s a lot more work to be done and Iraq’s leaders must continue to work to meet the benchmarks they have set forward,” he said. “As Iraqis work to meet their commitments, we have important commitments of our own.”

The House’s war spending bill includes a troop withdrawal deadline of Sept. 1, 2008. The timeline would speed up if the Iraqi government cannot meet its own benchmarks for providing security, allocating oil revenues and other essential steps.

Democrats “have a responsibility to ensure that this bill provides the funds and the flexibility that our troops need to accomplish their mission,” the president said. “They have a responsibility to pass a clean bill that does not use funding for our troops as leverage to get special interest spending for their district. And they have a responsibility to get this bill to my desk without strings and without delay.”

Liar. The money is NOT for the troops, and after all the revelations re Walter Reed, Defense contractor corruption, Halliburton etc. why will not one Democrat point this out? So the Dems and ‘netrots’ take their marching orders from Bush.

He ridicules them for a bill that won’t even begin to end the war until the Fall of 2008! I so dream of having representation that would issue an order to that little bully telling him ‘no more money for your cronies’ and mean it. Let there be showdown. The people will support it. He has a 20 something approval rating for this war. What, what are they afraid of? It boggles the mind.

66. outofwater - 19 March 2007

The American people DON’T LIKE THIS WAR. Dems who can’t pick up on that concept are going to be in big trouble. What’s up with these much-vaunted political operatives – brilliant geniuses that they are, haven’t they figured this out yet?

Pride goeth before the fall.

Those genius political operatives think that it’s all about them. They believe they can control opinion, that they are the Masters of the Universe. The power of coincidence has convinced them they possess supernatural influence, they prayed for rain and it rained, now they believe they own the water.

67. marisacat - 19 March 2007

New Thread

In the mirror…

68. marisacat - 19 March 2007

Military family members were arrested today at the SF offices of Nancy Pelosi. They want the war defunded.

Ellsberg was there, I saw him outside the Fed Bldg (where her offices are).

This won’t be stopping…

69. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/19/194459/735…and what do you get….

NYC African-Americans are anti-gay (0 / 0)

I’ll also say this: some NYC blacks–but far more than whites or Asians or Hispanics–routinely and unabashedly abuse other ethnic groups and scream at gays. Don’t like it? Fine. Ban me. It’s nonetheless true. I will repeat that I’m only talking about a small percentage of blacks here; however, no white, Asian or Hispanic has the nerve to assault other minorities this way.

I am gay, and I’m frequently abused here: every single time by black people. No exception. Period.

With that in mind, remember that blacks in NYC are by far the largest group getting AIDS these days.

Ecrasez l’infame!

by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 04:55:49 PM PDT

Fucking stupidity rulz… thanks Terrance …mission accomplished

70. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

Let me emphasize that I’m not (0 / 0)

claiming to be doing anything other than recording my own anecdotal experiences. Also, please note that the overwhelming majority of blacks I interact with have been completely awesome to me. What I’m talking about is this: When I’m attacked, it is by black people. It may also be pertinent that my boyfriend is black, and maybe that makes some black people angrier.

Ecrasez l’infame!

by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 19, 2007 at 05:08:38 PM PDT

Geeez… excuse me but who the fuck just called Edwards a FAGGOT!!!

71. marisacat - 19 March 2007

NFN

sorry your comment (Eternal Hope, that one) was delayed… I just bailed it out of spam… sorry!

72. marisacat - 19 March 2007

ugh.. DT

except for a small number of people, so many on Dkos just pander to what they know is wanted. Stereotypes. Awful………….

73. D. Throat - 19 March 2007

Well, it looks like jeff in nyc is nothing but a racist sock puppet… very anti anything Black in his previous comments…the give away “Some of my best friends are Black”… I doubt he is even gay… the facade makes for a convienient “librul street cred” in the blogs to tout his right wing bullshit..

74. donkeytale - 20 March 2007

I’m a big tentpole democrat looking for a few restored virgins to unglue…y’u there Super?


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