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Diddling the war baby on your knee 30 March 2007

Posted by marisacat in Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Iraq War, WAR!.
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A post from IOZ on the various arguments proffered to appear to be against Iraq War, but oh so eazy squeezy for any war in the offing [that has not failed yet] when you pick it apart.  Or, the argument sent forth is some tossed-in yearning for that other war, the one that is failing just as spectacularly, just not in the headlines..

 Here is a snip:

[F]or a guy who spends as much time lamenting the “intellectual dishonesty” (is there another kind?) of his infinite array of intellectual opponents, this is startlingly disingenuous. You know, I think the kids in ANSWER are kinda funny too, but I’m able to loosen by garters and pull off my opera gloves and admit them to the Brotherhood of Don’t Invade Iraq. And if they want to bring along their “Free Mumia” tee-shirts, good golly, let ‘em.

When folks like Bérubé start chattering about The Message, you can be pretty sure that something’s up, and that something almost always looks like a Democrat who wants to be sure not to “discredit” some or other sort of “intervention.” The Message is marketing; it’s a word for political campaigns. Of course they want their rallies to look like Just Folks. They love Just Folks.[snip]

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I have a few other things, will pop them up.  And sorry, comments are still being filtered in skrewball fashion.  Some to spam and some to moderation… Sorry!

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1. the paine - 30 March 2007

whats so great about me that my comments ain’t even moderated

i’m a dangerous guy with a key board

right on thru
like i’m from the florist

geeez

while decent hard thinking gals get the
“what for..who’s vouchin fer ya ” run down

something is not QUITE as it should be here
mcat sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiff

2. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

I’m exhausted from catching up on the last thread. That DiFI resignation (from MILCON) article was very interesting, mcat. Thanks for pointing it out.

Today’s example of “you know things are going to be exactly what you expect them to be when they start out like this…” comes to us courtesy of MOB at MBM:

booman said…

I don’t want to come of [sic] as a smug smartass, but I want to make a few points.

3. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

And if they want to bring along their “Free Mumia” tee-shirts, good golly, let ‘em.

Can anyone explain to me why mainstream liberals in this country are so firghtened of Mumia? I mean, every single eye witness in that case has retracted their testimony and stated unequivocally that the Philly police coerced them into testifying against Mumia. If there is any example of a longstanding political prisoner in this country it is Mumia. Shit, I went to college in Philly – I saw every day how racist the police force was even in the ’90’s.

4. marisacat - 30 March 2007

lucid..

just wanted to say that you are not, at least today, getting trapped in Spam.

fingers crssed that it should hold.

5. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

Can I weigh in on the KevinLynch/mcat “hide ‘n seek” thing? Yes? Thank you. Okay. I just think you both have different ways of dealing with the anonymity v real identity issue and for different reasons, obviously. Vive le difference, I say. I understand both points of view and we all have that decision to make based on our own comfort levels. I know I’m not comfortable having my personal info available. It’s not because I have anything to “hide”. I just feel the need to protect myself (which is probably a good thing considering the threat I received this week and an attempt made by someone to track me down last fall because they were insanely pissed off at me due to their own paranoia). Others don’t have such worries. That’s okay too.

6. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Can I weigh in on the KevinLynch/mcat “hide ‘n seek” thing?

Honestly – I didn’t understand that whole exchange. I think it also had something to do with an e-mail exchange the rest of us weren’t privy to… Anyhow, I hope you two are able to work it out amicably.

7. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

just wanted to say that you are not, at least today, getting trapped in Spam.

Yippee… I think it also helps that I have a wordpress acount now &, at least this evening, have been posting while logged in.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 March 2007

lucid …

well, not that I know much about the Mumia case. Hell, I’ll even admit that some wild-eyed self-described anarchists tried SO hard to sell him to me that I … well, got suspicious that it was all bullshit. Smelt too much of earnest-white-college-student elevating something he/she knew too little about. Just more rich white kids wearing Che t-shirts. I’m open to the idea that I’m probably wrong, and we all carry our political baggage.

Oh, and if we want to play dueling political prisoners, Leonard Peltier is at the top of my list.

9. marisacat - 30 March 2007

No there was no email exchange.

I don’t care how anyone does it, meaning post online. I only ask that my way not be diminished.

Meteor blades sent an email to hrh/SV that is the only email at issue. I posted the part that was an apology to everyone who posts here. At the time I posted it, I said nothing about my own opinion of the apology.

But if anyone sees a Sugar List that says MB is somehow the Beloved here, point it out.

About it.

10. missdevore - 30 March 2007

ok. today was suppose to be the birthdy of my dsl account. so I repluged all the wires I figured out last night, and it was working, and it was fast. (I was landing triple axels)

But then, I went back to the CD to finish installing the email program, and the fucker couldn’t cope. And then it was slower than dial-up.

So I had to go back to the dial-up (last day of subscription is tomorrow) and the external modem.

sorry if this sounds like a WYFP comment.

11. marisacat - 30 March 2007

btw, just finished the 12 comment thread at IOZ… Arthur Silber is a hoot!

12. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

I don’t even know what a sugar list is. I do, however, have a cheesecake list.

Miss D,

Doesn’t it say in the evil manual that you’re not supposed to figure skate near your DSL connection? I think it’s noted right after “do not insert jello into your cd drive”.

Just uninstall it all and start again. And promise the company your first-born child.

Somewhere, DSL Jesus is weeping for you.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 March 2007

As for the meatworld/virtualworld thing … I admire the discipline with which Marisacat maintains her space. I’m, frankly, too undisciplined and lazy to be that careful, to remember who I’ve told what to. There are lots of people around who know who I am from my email address. I’ve met a few people in meat life (most notably the very nice guy known as folkbum). I frankly don’t care if people know who I am.

I am Madman in blogworld because I find it freeing as a method (and it summed up how I felt my politics are viewed by most around me), as a way to get past my doubts about my reasoning and writing. I think about how Clemons was freed by Twain, how Thomas Paine was freed by his various pseudonyms … even about how Harlan Ellison got some distance from his “real” work to be attributed as Cordwainer Bird (I love the guy, but he still cashed the checks).

Names are frames … and names have power. There is power in Marisacat’s efforts to focus solely on what she writes by removing people’s ability to link it to someone they can track down.

14. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Ah hell – I just had a long comment on the anonymity thing & wordpress crashed when it was uploading… Anyhow – quick revision.

That’s cool Mcat. I didn’t really understand the thread & thought I had seen something about an e-mail in it. It makes little difference to me who protects themselves and who doesn’t – it’s a personal choice.

I was really naive when I first came on line and have left a footprint everywhere. Even though I post under a moniker now, there is so much cross pollination that anyone who was interested could figure it out in less than a minute with google.

And I related a story about a telephone dustup with a Larouchite after I’d published a piece on Counterpoint with a single sentence bashing Larouche… I found it both funny and disturbing that someone actually cared enough to track down my phone number.

15. missdevore - 30 March 2007

thanks, nip. I figured it would be an uninstall, reinstall. but damn, I was so hooked on the speed. I wanted to watch The Deer Hunter on the DVD again. I wanted to click on youtube with impunity.

mitm13-yes, it is the discipline that keeps it together. and there are no cheap tricks provided. you make a comment, and when no one responds to it, there is no cheap mojo for….solace.

no she-wolf of rome to call mommy.

I like the “que sera”-ness of it.

16. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

I think it’s noted right after “do not insert jello into your cd drive”.

I always thought that was a cupholder [sorry, IT person joke].

17. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Counterpoint

urgh. Counterpunch

18. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Hell, I’ll even admit that some wild-eyed self-described anarchists tried SO hard to sell him to me that I … well, got suspicious that it was all bullshit.blockquote>

Was I that ‘wild-eyed anarchist’? :) [Though to be fair, I'm not a rich white kid - and though I come from an middle class family, it was also a family that insisted that it's kids get a minimum waged job as soon as they turned 16 and we even had to pay our public school fees from the age of 14 on - my parents grew up in poverty and wanted their kids to know how to manage money, alas, the lesson was lost on me.]

Anyhow, I actually have read a lot about the case. The eye-witnesses have retracted their testimony & although it is clear that Mumia was present at the shooting, it seems to be a case of wrong place wrong time. The Philly police had a vendetta against him. He was a very well spoken Black Panther & and an effective organizer… Most people fitting that description were executed by the FBI.

Just my perspective.

19. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Miss D. E-mail me. I can help. I’m about to go to a friends and have some drinks, but I’ll send you something back tonight.

I need to know:

What platform [pc or mac] and operating system

What e-mail program & do you have other options for e-mail software

What DSL provider

What specifically are the problems, including any error messages you might have received.

I do stuff like this for a living & am happy to help out.

noxes at verizon dot net

Cheers :)

20. Kevin Lynch - 30 March 2007

” don’t care how anyone does it, meaning post online. I only ask that my way not be diminished.”

Goodness Gracie on a licorice stick! Isn’t this over yet? Where did I ever say; “You know Marisa, I think your ‘no info a’tall’ approach to online privacy is so boring! Come out on the high wire with me!”. I was just contrasting my way of doing things with yours. No diminishment even IMPLIED

“Meteor blades sent an email to hrh/SV that is the only email at issue. I posted the part that was an apology to everyone who posts here. At the time I posted it, I said nothing about my own opinion of the apology.”

But you did welcome him back into the fold

“But if anyone sees a Sugar List that says MB is somehow the Beloved here, point it out.”

Sugar List = oposite of Shit List. Welcome back, MB! Meanwhile, I’m apparently trying to besmirch your reputation. NOT!

“About it.”

I certainly hope so. Let’s end this, even if you don’t want to be budz

Kevin

21. NYCee - 30 March 2007

(Oh shite… meant to get this on the freshest thread. Obviously, I was not on it… This comment is also on the last, tail end)

Marisa:

Have been noodling around in the threads – gettin ready for a little display tomorrow at work (NO – NOT pole dancing! and taking a short break.

And you know, and I meant to tell you this by email long ago, but you know I am a godawful emailer, and I will, marisa, to a greater extent, but that eastbayexpress quote from you was a blast of fresh AIR.

At the time. When it came out. Post election 2004, or not too far after, as I recall.. I happened upon it via a dkos diary that linked the article for the express purpose of showing how Kos had told Kerry operatives to stay mum on election malfeasance the very day after the election… you were on that diary too, at the time. The diary was the red flag sort, from one of the many of us who were disgruntled over that topic’s kabosh at DK. And total FP silence.

A very belated chapeaux. I do not often do the chapeaux, but it was immediate when I saw what you said there. I doffed mine instantly. Or threw it up in the air, is more like it.

It was very vanguard of you… very illuminating… and very much appreciated.

22. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Hey, biased lefties!

Gotcha some good stuff coming up this weekend on book TV. Maybe. We shall see. But anyway, check it out. Scahill on Saturday on Blackwater and Coburn on Sunday on… well, on a LOT, as he is on for 3 hours on In Depth.

http://www.booktv.org/

23. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 March 2007

Lucid, like you I was also very naive when I first went online and used my real name. After several death threats and messages such as ‘I know where you live’, I was scared enough to almost quit. Back in those days (2001 right after 9/11) the whole atmosphere was very different than it is now. I decided not to quit, but to try to be a little more anonymous. It was pretty frightening back then, very few people revealed who they were. Sites were shut down by roaming gangs of rightwingers attacking anyone who criticized the Bush administration.

Since you are a techie, can you explain why, after installing a new hard-drive, I can no longer get sound or video etc. Does that mean I need a new sound card and why would installing a hard drive make the sound card disappear? I am clueless about how all this works.

24. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Oh fuck’s sake. I wrote Cockburn the way it is PRONOUNCED, not spelled.

That is Alexander Cockburn on In Depth this Sunday. No Coburn at all.

25. marisacat - 30 March 2007

I happened upon it via a dkos diary that linked the article for the express purpose of showing how Kos had told Kerry operatives to stay mum on election malfeasance the very day after the election… you were on that diary too, at the time. The diary was the red flag sort, from one of the many of us who were disgruntled over that topic’s kabosh at DK. And total FP silence.

That was Categorically Imperative’s diary… I was glad he/she linked to the eastbayexpress article. And pointed up that easily lost in the morass couple of lines.

Yeah that little tidbit about Kos hit people.

Thanks..

26. missdevore - 30 March 2007

Kevin–I think many of us here are not as familiar with you, as we are familar with others in (skippy’s) blogtopia.

—–
thanks for the CSPAN heads-up, NYCee!

27. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Well, it was really appreciated by me, both the red flagging of the Kos electoral info, and then, lo and behold, your quote about the troubling consultant or operative phenom on site. Dont have the exact quote handy, but it was somewhere thereabouts and it was helpful. Added definition to a bad smell coming from the kitchen.

I was surprised in a good way to see you pop up in it, but, really, not surprised to see it was you saying it.

28. Revisionist - 30 March 2007

missdevore —

you shouldnt need software for dsl. depending on the age of your computer and os it should be plug and play. often times the service providers send you a cd that is in reality nothing but useless adware. earthlink is the worst i have seen. everything is already built into windows (like windows has had a built in zip unzipper for years but people still think they need winzip). without being at your box, i would say that there could be a residual set up from your dial-up. i say uninstall everything reboot. plug the modem in and let windows just find it. your internet connections setting should be set to never dial connection.

you can go to dslreports.com for a bounty of info on ALL dsl providers

29. NYCee - 30 March 2007

I was surprised in a good way to see you pop up in it [The article, let it be said, clearly), but, really, not surprised to see it was you saying it.

30. missdevore - 30 March 2007

28-thanks. it’s complicated-I’m moving from a PC with windows 98, and cheap juno dial-up. to a new MacBook with dual OS, that I use at work, a workplace with its own wireless airport & ethernet. got the home dsl from att/sbcglobal.

If I had dentures, I would remove them and put them in a cup at this point.

31. ms_xeno - 30 March 2007

Oh, woe. Berube. Get Scruggs to tell you all about his, er, visits with ol’ Mike sometime. Reminds me of another proud professor I used to run into online. These people never stop treating every goddamn exchange they have as if their opponents are dewy-eyed babes fresh to the classroom. They parade their formidable intellects, positively beat you over the head with them. Then feign a lack of understanding when those who are not (and do not desire to be) their students tend to get annoyed with that particular attitude.

Guys like Berube love to dismiss their opponents as purveyors of “you’re either with us or against us” schools of thought. A phrase so vague as to pretty much mean nothing. It could just as easily be turned against those who feel compelled to make the case that there’s such a thing as acceptable bomb casualties. Y’know, like Mike and his championing of bombing Afghan citizens to save them from Al-Queda or whatever. But there’s nothing “extremist” or polarizing about dropping bombs on civilians, so long as you can smother it under polite discourse, I guess.

Hell. No wonder I never went for that MFA.

32. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 March 2007

how Kos had told Kerry operatives to stay mum on election malfeasance the very day after the election

Why would a progressive blogger even consider giving such advice to Kerry operatives? And even more puzzling, why would they listen?

I hope anyone who thought that was good advice is paying close attention to the US Attorneys growing scandal re ‘election fraud’. The silence on DK regarding the revelations of corruption in Ohio regarding the 2004 election is very interesting also. There is no longer any doubt that at least in Ohio (the critical state as everyone knows) Kerry most likely won. This should have been front page news on any blog professing to be progressive.

More and more I wonder, who is Markos really working for? Who benefitted by ignoring the fraud? It is also becoming increasingly clear from the US Attorneys scandal that there was a concerted effort to cover up the fraud. And again, how did it benefit Kerry of all people?

DK was not the only ‘progressive’ blog that shut down discussion of election fraud. Moveon and others suddenly became silent also, and, Alternet, eg, shut down their election forum a few days after the election while it was still the most trafficed forum on their site.

33. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Sure, MissD.

Arent you the TVless one? (I am quite sure youre vacuum bagless, H-type … I had a similar quest once, although not so lengthy, for an N bag ;-) ) Can you really watch long shows, like In Depth, online? Dont know how you do it. I embrace my TV, I must admit.

34. missdevore - 30 March 2007

33–I’ve had this free cable that I run thru the vcr, but hasn’t been working so well as of late.

the new dsl service offers me 90 days of free TV- I might take it. Hopefully can figure out other strategies by June.

35. NYCee - 30 March 2007

sabrina

How is the Attorneys’ issue related to election fraud?

I know of the push to get them (disloyal, non”Bushie” fired ones) to investigate where GOPsters thought there was a chance of Dem malfeasance, or where they thought they could manufacture some, is probably more like it, but I havent yet heard of that scandal touching on the issues of voter fraud re Ohio/2004 and related states where there is suspicion of GOP fixin.

36. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Since you are a techie, can you explain why, after installing a new hard-drive, I can no longer get sound or video etc. Does that mean I need a new sound card and why would installing a hard drive make the sound card disappear? I am clueless about how all this works.

SB, I need to know more than that. Did you install a new hard drive to be your ‘boot’ drive – with the operating system – or did you install a second hard drive for storage. If the former, Then you need to go to the sites of manufacturers of your peripheral equipment, download the drivers for your specific equipment and install them in order to get your functionality back. Anytime you plug in a new hard drive with a fresh operating system you need to reinstall everything related to your peripheral devices [moniter, sound card, etc.] – they won’t work otherwise.

If it is something other than this, please e-mail me – the address is in my response to Miss D above.

37. Revisionist - 30 March 2007

[blockquote]The silence on DK [/blockquote]

there is silence on many issues. sometimes what they dont talk about is more revealing than what they are talking about.

something interesting thats going on now related to kos is he is mentioning something as coming from the “netroots” in my state. except it isnt. the only “netroots” support is from an “official” kos linked site. i think someone even did a diary at one point pointing this out. i have been too busy to get on the net and follow all these different stories.

the few times i’ve surfed to kos the past three weeks it looked like nothing more than a rehash of stories posted on rawstory. most of the diaries hadnt even bothered to change the title.

38. Kevin Lynch - 30 March 2007

“Kevin–I think many of us here are not as familiar with you, as we are familar with others in (skippy’s) blogtopia.”

And that means I’m not to be trusted? missdevore, it’s true that I never made the TU list at dKos. But you can still find my comments, infrequent as they were. I think my last two comments were the most telling: Where I was telling operatives that they were giving WAY too much credit to themselves and using words like “delusional” and “professional help”. Words I’ve seen posted here in the exact same context, by the way. So, what I felt I had found here was a grouping of kindred thinkers. People whom I felt I could share ideas with. And all of you have given me enough input and inspiration so that my writing inhibitions have diminished incredibly. Thus, finding I could write more than 5 sentences at a time, I started my own Blog. It might just be me riffing away at the news of the world, but I was excited by it. And put y’all on the blogroll out of admiration. Started posting at your sites if I thought there was something my feeble wit could add. Too bad. Now it looks like being an unknown quantity automatically gets me branded as a possible operative trying to steer your sites into ‘centrist’ positions. Like weepy cat stories and cheerleading for you is going to do that!

You’ve got the info. Google me. See if I’m some Sacramento Sellout in disguise. Nah, I’m in Saint Louis. A thousand miles from free thinkers, centrists, or any of you. Get the picture? I really am just a harmless fat guy without pretense or a job (until my new one starts April 16). Hate my ugly ass if you want *shrug*

Kevin

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 March 2007

just tossed something up … they caved on “My Sweet Lord”.

40. NYCee - 30 March 2007

I found the Sampson testimony pretty amazing, btw. Did you catch it, Sabrina?

Just in seeing how this boy, really, Boy Sampson, was so enthralled and keyed in to the POLITICAL thing going on in that White House. The LOYALTY with the politics. I mean, he got it, and yet, being so green yet so ambitious and eager to please his superiors… his use of it in his role really trumpeted the real deal in all its base glory…

Like when he put Fitzgeral in an “unknown as to performance” category. He was asked why by Durbin (after WTC bombing conviction success, 1993 and high rating for Fitz all around), and he all but said it was because he shook in his boots, thinking that to put him in the outstanding/plus category (He had a chart thing he was emailing to Miers – all the attorneys were graded as outstanding +, outstanding -, or unknown quantity. I paraphrase, but that was the gist) would have marked him for death by torture, given that Fitzgerald had investigated their inner sanctum, was trying one of their own… He just kept saying it was sensitive, and he didnt think he should grade him…

And he blurted out to Miers that they should consider firing Fitzgerald. In 2006!

He said she (and someone else, McNulty?) just shot him a look. Silence. Well, she knew the kid was drinking just a tad too much Kool Aid on that one… his system hadnt adjusted yet for tolerance. Heady stuff. He said he knew he had really overstepped as soon as he said it.

Oh crickey.. It was sumpin.

41. NYCee - 30 March 2007

did I miss something?

I havent seen marisa say anything untoward to you, kevin. What is all this about?

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 March 2007

Kevin …

hang out, earn your bones … too many games have been played for too long, and guards are up.

fat guy to fat guy.

43. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 March 2007

NYCee, in some of the testimony from US Attorneys who were asked to resign, it was revealed that they were discouraged from looking into the charges of voter suppression (minorities mostly). Greg Palast has written extensively about the lists of ‘felons’ who were not felons etc. and I’m assuming this is what they were talking about. But they were encouraged to look into possible Democratic election fraud. At least one of them has said he could not pursue such charges as there was no, or not enough evidence. The WH was not happy about this. It seems that they not only suppressed the evidence of the voter purge lists, but wanted to completely distract from it by pointing fingers at Democrats.

From what I have read so far, this is just the beginning, but it’s clear they were expected to ignore any actual evidence, and there was plenty, especially in Florida, of Republican dirty tricks regarding this aspect of election fraud.

Also interesting is the fact that the WH was trying to stop Patrick Fitzgerald from investigating the Plame leak. I’m saying the WH because although they are still in the investigative stage, it seems that Karl Rove is implicated in directing the effort to paint Fitz as below par as a prosecutor.

I was always surprised that the WH had not tried to stop that investigation. But now, it seems that they did. I wonder now what really happened with Rove who most thought would be indicted along with Libby. I cannot imagine Fitzgerald caving in to threats (and we know now that other US Attorneys did receive threats) to smear him.

44. marisacat - 30 March 2007

kevin. You can email me if you wish. You may not get a reply til the AM.

Marisacat at AOL dot com

45. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

I wanted to click on youtube with impunity.

I know the feeling. I have an old system and while some videos stream alright, a lot of them are just a series of burps. It’s annoying.

The silence at dkos. Yes, that always bothered me. I’m not into the SYFPH culture, escpecially when it came to not criticizing Kerry or investigating election fraud. Very odd and very authoritarian. I don’t like being told what I can’t talk about for the so-called benefit of some almighty greater good on a political blog.

46. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

“28-thanks. it’s complicated-I’m moving from a PC with windows 98, and cheap juno dial-up. to a new MacBook with dual OS, that I use at work, a workplace with its own wireless airport & ethernet. got the home dsl from att/sbcglobal. ”

That explains a lot. Uninstall the CD you got from ATT. The problem is conflicting settings between the way your system is at work and the patriarchal structure ATT wants to impose on the way in which your computer accesses the net with the ‘home stuff’.

If it worked before the ‘email’ stage, I’d go reinstall to that point – as your computer at work likely runs through an e-mail server that will conflict with any preset e-mail crap provided by the ‘home provider CD’.

If this allows you to have full DSL capacity, then you will need to go in and hand configure e-mail settings to work from home with whatever e-mail program you are using -you can’t rely on a vanilla configuration for that given that it is a machine that is likely already configured for other connections. [Why are machines so damned monogamous?]

Anyhow. Keep me updated.

47. ms_xeno - 30 March 2007

Uh oh, the fat folks are closing in. I may have to post a link to the thread I was in last week, in which I had fun turkey-shooting at a bunch of self-righteous asshats who whinged about how fat people were Destroying America by hogging all the medical while not paying enough for it.

Lefty site, too. I shit you not. Should have left it alone, but sometimes a fat woman needs to have her fun, too. :p

48. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Yeah, Revisionist.

It began to get more and more like that, most noticeably around the election 04 issues and thereafter. The diaries were SAFE. And dulled down. Increasingly. (And the SYFPH about only stoking Kerry added to it, pre election, of course)

How ironicAL, aint it, that we get fucked by GOP hijinks and that becomes a reason, on DK, not to get more fired up progressively, but less so. I mean, at the time of most need (when the extreme rw are winning, and thru foul play… or at least our much trumpeted democracy is a larfing stock… a mess…) he ties everyones hands instead of sounding the call to arms… he goes SNAIL shell. Trail of slime, too, as that EastBayExpress piece indicated. Inside the gates, no need to crash. Just use the latch!

Yeah. Long has it been so. I got riled and over it long ago.

49. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

#39. heh ™. I just did a post on chocolate Jesus too. Some choice quotes from Donohoe’s site:

“As I’ve said many times before, Lent is the season for non-believers to sow seeds of doubt about Jesus. What’s scheduled to go on at the Roger Smith Hotel, however, is of a different genre: this is hate speech. And choosing Holy Week—the display opens on Palm Sunday and ends on Holy Saturday—makes it a direct in-your-face assault on Christians.

“All those involved are lucky that angry Christians don’t react the way extremist Muslims do when they’re offended—otherwise they may have more than their heads cut off. James Knowles, President and CEO of the Roger Smith Hotel (interestingly, he also calls himself Artist-in-Residence), should be especially grateful. And if he tries to spin this as reverential, then he should substitute Muhammad for Jesus and display him during Ramadan.

“While we are delighted with the outcome, we are not pleased with the comments of the gallery’s creative director, Matt Semler. For him to say that our objection to this outrageous display constitutes hate speech and is the equivalent of a fatwa shows how deliriously irresponsible this man is.

“Because we did not like the way the Roger Smith Hotel handled the decision to drop the display, we have no intention of contacting the 500 organizations that we alerted to this assault on Christian sensibilities to inform them that the exhibition has been cancelled.”

Bigoted, dangerous blowhard.

50. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 March 2007

Kevin, I for one have read your comments at DK, (I checked when you thought they had disappeared and left you a few messages telling you how to find them). As far as I’m concerned YOU ARE a kindred spirit, very much so.

I think it’s wonderful that you started your own blog and plan on visiting (when I tried the other night I could not bring it up for some reason). I think from reading back in the thread, there just a small mis-understanding of your original post. I think it was directed at the DDs of hte blogosphere who howl about their ‘anonymity’ etc.

So hang in, all of us have these mis-understandings from time to time. Even families do, doesn’t mean you are not trusted at all. And keep on writing – and I did notice your increasing confidence which is wonderful! :-)

51. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Oh, I hadnt heard the bit about them being discouraged from investigating voter fraud against Republicans, Sabrina. Only that they got in trouble if they wouldnt go after Dems, as in Washington governor’s race.

Interesting. Hope more comes out.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 March 2007

far too many putative lefties believe in a perfectable universe, and take comfort in scolding others.

53. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

Too bad. Now it looks like being an unknown quantity automatically gets me branded as a possible operative trying to steer your sites into ‘centrist’ positions.

I must have missed that part or did that even happen?

I hope you can work this out with mcat and whoever. I’ve had more than enough bloggy drama for this week.

54. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Kevin:

I really don’t understand this post. I don’t think Mcat, or anyone here has implied anything like you being a ‘sellout’, etc.

Please stick around if you enjoy our company, but I am at a loss for why you express the above. I haven’t seen anyone attack you here.

55. wu ming - 30 March 2007

yeah, the silence on ohio really shocked me, it seemed like such the perfect sort of story for the hive mind/googlemonkey set. i had already gotten pretty tired of ther SYFPH dynamic by then, but shutting down discussion there really sort of stunned me. revealed a lot.

56. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 March 2007

I found the Sampson testimony pretty amazing, btw. Did you catch it, Sabrina?

I did hear clips from it on the car radio and some analysis from Randi Rhodes lol! It was amazing and probably finished Gonzales, imo. I am angry that it took this long since it’s not as though no one knew that many good US Attorneys were being purged.

I hope now that James Comey finally gets to testify. He was stopped the last time he was to be a witness. He was clearly aware of and very disturbed by the long list of DOJ employees who quit or were forced out, at least as long ago as 2005 when he voiced his feelings. And probably way longer than that. This has obviously been going of for a long time.

There was no oversight of these people and they very nearly destroyed our judicial system. Congress, imo, especially Republicans, are a disgrace as they knew, and in effect, helped to cover it up. All who did should be thrown out of office as soon as possible.

I was looking for a list of Democrats who voted to approve Gonzales’ nomination as AG. They need to be challenged in primaries also. No one should even pretend to be surprised by what is now being revealed about this treasonous monster. If ordinary people like us knew enough to sign dozens of petitions to stop his appointment as AG, they should have, and imo, did know.

57. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Yeah, that was a big one on the seismic scale, wu ming.

A smaller but telling one was after all the (worthy!) activism we engaged in, on site, to fight against passage of the bankruptcy bill, which Kos said he was against (in his wan way, but nevertheless), as soon as the sell outs had voted, all 19 of them in the senate, or 18, whatever, he has this one little fizzle of a paragraph or two, sort of mild version of hush now, shut your goshdurn tartlette holes… He copped out using the excuse that “until the money gets out of politics, get used to this and get over it”

Telling was that if he were a true progressive who actually felt that way, he would have then turned energies toward federally funded elections… getting the money OUT. With gusto.

But no, he just went back to getting the money IN, to elect more Democrats.

It was bizarre, the way it played out. Really.

58. NYCee - 30 March 2007

Well, on too long. Late to Zzzzland, EST.

G’night.

59. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

There was no oversight of these people and they very nearly destroyed our judicial system.

After 27 years of appointments made specifically to do this, I think it is hardly our current Emporer’s fault. There were 8 years of Clinton [who was pretty much Reagan II anyways], but he could never get any of his court appointments to the bench due to Republican obstructionism. It is no mystery why there were so many federal judiciary slots to fill when Bushh II came to office.

Yes, Abu Gonzales should go down for canning Federal Prosecuters because they were actually doing their jobs, but the judiciary as a whole has been in disrepair for a good long time.

Cite 1: Gore v. Bush in Dec. 2000

60. marisacat - 30 March 2007

I thought I had the East Bay Express.

But despite Moulitsas’ snark on Kerry, that afternoon his cell phone rang with a Kerry operative wanting to do an election post-mortem. Moulitsas gave him some friendly advice: stay away from making claims about fraud in Ohio until there’s conclusive evidence, and concentrate on using that e-mail list and the campaign’s leftover $30 million to help Democrats take the 2006 midterms.

61. NYCee - 30 March 2007

There ’tis… (and here am I, stiil)

At the time, reading those words burned so badly.

And your fantabulous nuggets are within. They cheered me at the time… the sweet after the bitter… someone speaking up, solo, for something better.

Okay, for real, to bed.

62. NYCee - 30 March 2007

And to be CLEAR, that was BEFORE you were banned.

(yanks self with cane, bedward)

63. bayprairie - 30 March 2007

Kevin. here is my view of the order of events.

after the columbine comment on meteor blade’s part marisa restricted his posts until he apologized. he did, based on the evidence of the post of the mail sniglet. therefore she removed her restriction. that’s the entirety of what happened. i feel that if you read something like “welcome back” between the lines, you misread.

best advice here is chill, and i don’t mean that rudely. i also hope i don’t sound like im lecturing, im trying very hard to express my thoughts clearly and thats hard for me. my opinion is that there isn’t a bat’s chance in in hell of meteor blades ever being “welcomed” here. in fact, i kinda have come to feel “here” exists as space purposely apart from meteor blades (in the political sense, of course) and the “movement” he embraces (to whatever degree anyone interprets his embrace of said “movement”, from 100% on down, i peg at 85%). he can now comment though, and in the past he has dropped in from time to time.

anyway that’s my 2cents and nothing but opinion. i only know the small portion of the “history” that ive been witness too from june 2005. i personally intend to recognize his apology by no longer ridiculing his user name. but that’s recognition of his apology on my part only.

miss d

i’ll not offer any advice (since i’m a amateur hack who does everything wrong at startups) but perhaps a very minor suggestion. make sure the little airport radar screen thingie in the upper right hand corner is gray and isn’t functioning. if it’s black try turning it off. theres a slight chance that after “whatever happened” happened you’re connecting via wireless to a nearby unsecured wireless access point nearby. that would explain very slow speed.

64. Lucid - 30 March 2007

That is so predictable and so maddening.

I was at a loss during that period following the election on Kos where anything and everything was supressed re: voter fraud [especailly given that many of the places I came from before my days on Dkos rigorously investigated the voter fraud of both 2000 and 2002].

Thanks for yet another reminder that I wasted a whole hellofalotta time there for no reason.

65. liberalcatnip - 30 March 2007

I thought I had the East Bay Express.

As much as I loath reading articles about kos because they all seem to say the same thing, I’m glad I read all the way through that one to read your criticisms, mcat. Nothing has changed there since then, obviously.

66. Kevin Lynch - 30 March 2007

bayprairie

I think you’re misreading the situation too. What it all boils down to is a question of who do you trust? There had been quite a few posts about paranoia among the BBB set when it comes to people supposedly searching for their “meat world” (love that term!) identities. People gave their varying degrees of personal paranoia and then the Head Mistress gave her tale of Supreme Identity Discipline! Then I posted that my opinion was “if they want me, they can have me”. My life has been of so little consequence that anything anybody could learn about it wouldn’t do them any good or me any harm. OOPS! Mcat seems to have read that as a belittling of her position. I try explaining that it wasn’t, it was just my way of avoiding the whole “outing” thing all together. OOPS! Now I’m accusing Mcat of outing people. This pissed me off, and I’ll admit it. So I trotted out the corpse of Meteor Blades and made up a Sugar List, because I was now most certainly on the Shit List. And it goes on for some reason, even after I’ve explained that none of what I said had anything to do with Marisa’s position FIVE TIMES! She won’t believe me, she won’t trust me.

What am I supposed to do? Tell me. I’ve tried logical discourse and have asked for the subject to be dropped. And yet, it’s still here

Kevin

67. lucidculture - 30 March 2007

Kevin – drop it. This is not a good avenue of discourse. I think you are misunderstanding a good much of what Mcat said – and she told you to e-mail her if it was an issue. Don’t continue to trot out a pretty obvious misunderstanding for all of us to comment on.

And she is not a ‘head mistress’ – that is a disingenuous characterization.

68. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 March 2007

Lucid, thanks for that explanation. The hard drive was not a second one, but to replace the one that was destroyed, most likely from attacks by rightwingers. They could send ‘nukes’ to people which would shut down the computer. I eventually learned how to deflect their bombs, but not before the hard drive went.

Nasty little trolls, it really was war with them. Which is why I laugh at what is considered a ‘troll’ at DK. They’ve never seen a real troll. They remind me of the chickenhawks in the Bush administration. They, imo, want to appear to be what they consider to be tough without actually ever putting themselves in the crossfire of those they emulate. I doubt any of them ever went directly to the real enemy and took them on. Those of us who did learned some valuable lessons.

What’s really funny about the way they imitate rightwingers, thinking of them as ‘tough’, is that had they ever engaged them, they would have discovered that all they were were cowards and bullies, easily disposed of by anyone who refused to be intimidated by them. My girlfriend and I used to seek them out just to embarrass and expose them for what they were.

DK only attacks progressives. They would never survive on mixed sites where they had to fight off swarms of vicious rightwingers. What they do is try to emulate those trolls by practicing on progressives. I was stunned when I first saw them in action. Cowards was my conclusion. I really was in awe, considering years of fighting with righties, to discover similar tactics being imitated and used against people who supposedly were their allies taking extremely unfair advantage of their status as site managers. There is something really, really wrong about that site.

***********

On Kos’s election fraud advice. It’s clear now that what he was interested in was money. Iow, let them cheat, but now let’s move on and go for the money! So transparent when you read it now. I have seen nothing from him that convinces me he has any real interest in anything else. If fighting for a principle gets in the way of the money flow, he’ll dump the principle. That’s why he bans anyone who gets in the way of his real ‘principles’. He’s fiercely protecting the money.

********

Lucid, again thanks, that explains the problem. Where do you find the downloads to reinstall everything? If I should go to email, let know.

69. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

to discover similar tactics being imitated and used against people who supposedly were their allies taking extremely unfair advantage of their status as site managers. There is something really, really wrong about that site.

I saw that when I joined Dkos, and for a time, I ignored it because there were so many good people there posting such great things and so many people trying to foster an open community. It was whittled away, and

whittle,
waddle,
muddle.

I think you probably got there in the ‘muddle’ phase.

As for your computer, Do you know the manufacturer’s of the parts in question? If you don’t know them offhand, if you still have the original bill from the company that sold you your computer, they would be listed there. If you don’t, you might be able to look up the parts by going to the site of the manufacturer of the computer & searching by your service tag number [you can definitely do this if you have a Dell or a Mac].

If not, you’ll probably have to open it up and get identifying info from the parts themselves – but unless you have that customized of a machine, you should be able to find vanilla drivers within the operating system itself that will at least make them functional.

e-mail me if you want. I’m always happy to help people on tech issues [and many others as well] :)

70. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

So, I’m watching late nite teevee and there’s this ad to sponsor kids oversees. The guy is walking along with a little girl through a slum and explains (as she’s walking barefoot beside his well-dressed ass) that she has to walk barefoot through the filfth and the scum on the streets and I’m wondering, “Excuse me, but why didn’t you give her a pair of shoes, you opportunistic asshole?”

Seriously.

71. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

“Excuse me, but why didn’t you give her a pair of shoes, you opportunistic asshole?”

Because they’d rather agglomerate the $.50 it would take to shoe the child into advertising so that their well funded front office people can buy nice homes in the Washington DC area.

72. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

These poor kids probably have no idea what the hell is going on. I doubt they’ve ever seen a camera before in their life and they probably can’t even understand one word of English. It just struck me as hugely hypocritical that he would walk her through those “filthy” streets like that. Some bloody humanitarian he is. And just how much of the money raised actually goes to these children?

I’ve had an index card tacked up on my dresser mirror for years:

First, try to get to the sunset; then, try to get to the sunrise.

-Margarida
Age 10, Rio de Janeiro slum

(From The Spiritual Life of Children)

73. bayprairie - 31 March 2007

hey kevin,

am i misreading the situtation? of course. everyone misreads, thats a given. it happens. lets kick back, enjoy.

74. Kevin Lynch - 31 March 2007

“And she is not a ‘head mistress’ – that is a disingenuous characterization”

Is it any more disiningenious than her claiming that I belittled her positions or claimed that she outed anyone? Anyone can take offense at anything if they try hard enough. I’ve already told Marisa I’ll leave anytime she says go. “Dropping it” isn’t in my vocabulary

Kevin

75. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

Great press release from wakeupwalmart.com. lol

In a fitting end to a week that can only be described as the “Wal-Mart 2007 Self-Destruction Tour,” Wal-Mart, after having its spin machine exposed by the New Yorker, watching their CEO Lee Scott refuse to answer questions on Fox News, tell New York (through the New York Times) to basically ‘drop dead,’ and then tell Business Week that Wal-Mart is on the side of angels (we would make a joke, but we are feeling gracious), is shutting down its personal attack website, PaidCritics.com.

Paidcritics.com, which was a project of Wal-Mart’s 10 million-dollar-a-year PR firm Edelman, will no longer be posting its “smear and slime” that included such personal favorites as making fun of our communications director’s ethnicity and name (his name is Kristo and Chris, we don’t know why he changed — lol), describing our campaign director as a union boss (he really isn’t, but he may just be hiding it), making fun of our eating
habits during the “Change Wal-Mart, Change America” bus tour (okay, this was valid), as well as stating over and over again that employees at WakeUpWalMart.com were paid — yes — paid while they were trying to change Wal-Mart into more responsible employer and company (ok, valid again, but for the record, Leslie Dach just bought a $2.7 million house and the
Edelman Communications folks have much nicer clothes and show up at our events wearing pearls).

more…

:)

76. bayprairie - 31 March 2007

“Dropping it” isn’t in my vocabulary

haha.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

“Because we did not like the way the Roger Smith Hotel handled the decision to drop the display, we have no intention of contacting the 500 organizations that we alerted to this assault on Christian sensibilities to inform them that the exhibition has been cancelled.”

and thus … where did backing down get these people?

Monsters, pharisees, fascists …. it does NO good to appease them. They can only be fought.

78. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

MitM,

Dononue said on CNN tonite that he intended to see the hotel go bankrupt. That’s the new Revenge Jesus. Chocolate Jesus (My Sweet Lord) is just so yesteryear. Who wants sweetness & light when you can kill a business with just a few e-mails to your “500 friends”? That man’s hate speech wouldn’t last 2 minutes in Canada. We smacked down Limbaugh and Dr Laura. We’d do exactly the same thing to him.

79. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

It just struck me as hugely hypocritical that he would walk her through those “filthy” streets like that. Some bloody humanitarian he is.

My brother has done relief work in impoverished countries for 22 years. I disagree with a whole helluvalot of what he does, but he is a good guy – and there are good organizations out there that really try to craft whatever programs they can to alleviate poverty and build infrastructure [my bro is actually one of the progenitors of microfinance programs]. But by the same token, most of the big name NGO’s will pay no mind to exploiting the poor to enrich themselves – or look good, whatever the case may be. It fucking disgusts me.

We all know what he Red Cross did during Katrina. The FUCKING RED CROSS, exploiting the shower of donations to poor down the internal tornado into relief oblivion. No doubt Libby Dole had plenty to do with their changes in accounting proceedures – charity not only benefits the rich with respect to taxes, but comes back to them as laundered money.

Pathetic.

80. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

sweetness & light

Close enough – I know at least Miss D will love it:

Every picture has its shadows
And it has some source of light
Blindness, blindness and sight
The perils of benefactors
The blessings of parasites
Blindness, blindness and sight
Threatened by all things
Devil of cruelty
Drawn to all things
Devil of delight
Mythical devil of the ever-present laws
Governing blindness, blindness and sight

Suntans in reservation dining rooms
Pale miners in their lantern rays
Night, night and day
Hostage smile on presidents
Freedom scribbled in the subway
It’s like night, night and day
Threatened by all things
God of cruelty
Drawn to all things
God of delight
Mythical god of the everlasting laws
Governing day, day and night

Critics of all expression
Judges in black and white
Saying it’s wrong, saying it’s right
Compelled by prescribed standards
Or some ideals we fight
For wrong, wrong and right
Threatened by all things
Man of cruelty-mark of Cain
Drawn to all things
Man of delight-born again, born again
Man of the laws, the ever-broken laws
Governing wrong, wrong and right
Governing wrong, wrong and right
Wrong and right.

Oh – and for the copyright lords, it’s Joni Mitchell – Shadows and Light, “Hissing of the Summer Lawns”, copyright 1974 – I’ll tell you who’s playing on the album if you want….
:)

81. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

Hilllary/Donohue: 2008. The Who Would Jesus Sanction/Bomb Ticket.

82. supervixen - 31 March 2007

I saw Happy Feet last night. It was excellent. Great fun, and highly cinematic, with stunning visuals of water, snow, ice, etc. Denizens of this blog will appreciate the story, which centers on a restrictive penguin society run by tightassed authority-freaks who banish anyone who can’t follow The Roolz. “You’re ruining it for everyone else!” etc. Some digs at religion too, surprisingly.

Speaking of sea creatures: the predicted Exploding Whale detonated on schedule, but it was a yawner, more like a California roll falling apart. Maryscott hateshateshates Louisianagirl now. Goodness, what happened?? There is some funny stuff:

upon the occasion of My Left Wing’s being hit by a tidal wave of antipodean vandalism

“We come to you from the Land Down Under…”

I’m glad that she left LG’s “Voyeur” diary up, because it fits right into the newly-hot topic of misogynistic personal attacks on the web:

“Left-wing female blogger attacks her rival by publishing an insulting sexual fantasy about her”

That will look good in the headlines!

83. missdevore - 31 March 2007

Lucid-that is actually from one of Joni’s albums I am not familiar with.
——-
good morning VAGs!

well such is the unfortunate state of our cult/community/special forces unit that we have no Saturday morning features. May I suggest “Saturday Morning Listening to the Roar in Your Ears?” This can be done offline, in the privacy of your home, big tent, etc.

84. supervixen - 31 March 2007

That East Bay Express article is new to me. Wow, Kos is even more of an asshole than I thought. The story about catching up to the leaders in the long Army march and then thinking “I can conquer the world!!” is creepy. His focus was not on looking within and finding his inner resources, but on beating the other guys. And then the comment later – “what about ME?” Bad news.

85. Tuston - 31 March 2007

I gonna have to keep up the post and runz as I finally get my turn with my nephews in from HI for spring break. First the went to the In Laws in SoCA, then my folks had them, now PK and I get them for 2 days before the flight back. (kidz are great when you can borrow them and return after you get tired of wiping boogers)

So bringing up the Green Valley AZ immigrant shooting that was mentioned in the previous thread (hey where’s that email mcat?! ;o} I got a couple of thoughts.

I don’t the think the GV incident is like the two recent shootings in my back yard (literally a two mile hike through the chaparral in my backyard. The two that occured here were directly related to hijacking loads of pot. I posted something about it when it happened, and I’m pretty sure that everybody knows the involved parties (the assault rifle used was found in a local trailer park notorious for busts). The Green Valley incident seems different and though it isn’t unusual for human smugglers to hijack “loads” they don’t generally shoot up the “cargo.” Also Green Valley is a town full of minute meanies and retired “good ol’ boys” from the midwest. I’m just speculating but the facts (paltry as they are) point to a different motive than pirating a “load”.

Cazamigrantes (migrant hunters) have long haunted the thornscrub of soAZ and most of their victims remain unknown…

(funny, I’ve got the local morning news on and they just busted 6 TONS of pot in my neighboring town and 38 “illegals” in a house in Tucson)

Well, hasta la bye bye… I’m taking the boyz to go murder fish at the nearest lake (this too shall be deducted from my share of paradise)

86. supervixen - 31 March 2007

How about a Saturday Morning Quote to contemplate while listening to the roar in your ears:

“But even today, a woman is expected to take a narcissistic pleasure in fulfilling male fantasies rather than in exploring and acting out her own. There is still a rigid distinction between the sex that looks and the sex that is looked at. The dichotomy is bound to breed perversion in both sexes, in the man voyeurism, hostility and envy, and in the woman masochism, exhibitionism and hypocrisy. Both men and women are deprived and impoverished.”

Margaret Walters, from The Nude Male: A New Perspective, quoted by Germaine Greer in The Beautiful Boy

87. missdevore - 31 March 2007

Tuston-thanks for the update.

88. missdevore - 31 March 2007

from the latimes:

“Nature is pulling a triple whammy on Southern California this year. Whether it’s the Sierra, the Southland or the Colorado River Basin, every place that provides water to the region is dry.

It’s a rare and troubling pattern, and if it persists it could thrust the region into what researchers have dubbed the perfect Southern California drought: when nature shortchanges every major branch of the far-flung water network that sustains 18 million people.

Usually, it’s reasonably wet in at least one of those places. But not this year.”

latimes is also carrying the story about Kathy Sierra, and threats on bloggers.

89. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

Re: SV’s comment.

That’s one of the reasons I hate the battle between supposedly anti-sex and supposedly pro-sex feminists. (The terms are useless and/or deceptive, for starters.) Cast against my own preference into the anti-sex camp, I hear that there is incredible diversity in porn that I’m just not understanding, all because I think it’s 90% young, thin, blonde white women with huge surgically enhanced boobs and crotches performing for men. I am told that there is porn for people who like looking at women who are old, fat, tattooed, “natural” when it comes to naughty bits, etc. Yet this stuff, if it exists in commercially signifigant quantities (I have my doubts) does not change one iota the cliche of Woman displays, Man judges.

When I still thought porn was something I wanted to consume, but didn’t like the mainstream stuff, I was told to rent gay porn. That about says it all. A woman who wants to look is always a tourist in an exotic land, an interloper, an outsider. She borrows, because no way are such displays of the male body truly intended for her and the very name of the genre lets her know it.

I think the notion that women assume some incredible power by stripping and fucking on film is also bullshit. The power comes through submission to one of the most time-worn cliches about the supposed limits to human nature there is. I do not see men (hetero men, anyway) lining up to take pole dance classes, pose nude, wear body-flaunting clothing in public, etc. If they really believed that displaying your body was a sign of personal power, they’d be falling all over each other to do it.

90. missdevore - 31 March 2007

86,89-good stuff.

91. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Most porn is boring. The industry lends itself to internal abuse, use and disposal. No question.
And LOL “Voyeurs” was not some well written degustible. Tho people stood there with their tongues hanging out.

I think its hallmark likely was the Degas painting.

Cats are screaming. Off to feed and make coffee.

92. the paine - 31 March 2007

it dawns on my largely moi -zoomy
surveillence system
this site is into clever not funny

hmmmmm

overly slap happy lots of uuuzelles ain’t

may i preach ???

there’s to directions to the state of mirth

lighten up and heavy up

if your soul is by habit of nature
burdened

heaving up your humor might work faster deeper longer
then
a light touch

go for the big release gang
and that takes you toward heavy hardy har hars

not hamlet guying polonius
not kafka doobling his dad

but hog heaven preterition

go out
an deeply profane the the bystanders

93. the paine - 31 March 2007

the welles
of
chimes at midnight

94. missdevore - 31 March 2007

the paine, you look darling in a pulpit.

please weigh clever v. funny on above remark. oh, I did have to look up preterition, to try to figure out which meaning you were using–the Calvinist one, eh?

95. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

I do not see men (hetero men, anyway) lining up to take pole dance classes, pose nude, wear body-flaunting clothing in public

Sometimes we get up and get our own beer, though, especially when our chick is enjoying a good Lifetime abused spouse movie. It’s the LEAST we can do ….

96. the paine - 31 March 2007

too often
funny is a lead ballooon
if yoy try to hold it still

funny reflects what ??

a happy soul

brake out loony
is prolly what i’m after

nonsense on an operatic scale

clever is like nimble sail boat
that catches all the gusts

i want that big bastard
the sea food
the inboard monstrosity that cut huge wakes
rodney d plowed around
the lake in caddy shack
at the helm of

query
can that homo felix vulgaris stupendicus
be de-gendered ????

97. the paine - 31 March 2007

clever is subconciously competitive and comparative

the duel of wits
is not the motley chorus of clowns

98. missdevore - 31 March 2007

Mitm–that was clever & funny.

the paine–I will try!

99. the paine - 31 March 2007

one name that sez all

Pantagruel

100. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

Lucid-that is actually from one of Joni’s albums I am not familiar with.

Get thee to a record store. It’s her best album [and I don't say that lightly because I've got 'em all, even the, um, 'interesting period' from the '80's]

101. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

really? I was being serious.

NOTHING demonstrates more solidarity with the distaff sex more than getting up to get our own beer … walking across the room in those stilletos, not to mention the thong creeping north, must be exhausting for the poor dears.

102. colleen - 31 March 2007

And LOL “Voyeurs” was not some well written degustible. Tho people stood there with their tongues hanging out.

LOL! Emsock certainly did. Although she and lg appear to have had a falling out emsock so enjoyed the violation (emsock being one sick bunny) she ‘reconstructed’ the ‘erotica’ on her blog again. Not the comments, not the ‘oppo-research’ which wasn’t, just the essay.

Bay summed up what lg did and what emsock is doing best in the last thread:

explicit literary descriptions of a living, breathing woman’s alleged sexual activity in such extreme detail, going on for such a length, with no permission asked nor given from the unwitting subject prior to the publishing is in every instance imaginable characterized with another word entirely.

erotica ain’t it.

I think it’s telling that emsock finds it necessary and exciting to try to sexually degrade people she cannot dominate and control by other means.

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

lucid, you actually own “Dog Eat Dog”?

Of Geffen’s many crimes, releasing that is at the top of the list.

104. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

Also Green Valley is a town full of minute meanies and retired “good ol’ boys” from the midwest.

Don’t mean to snipe, but my parents aren’t ‘good ol’ boys. They may be provincial in their religious values, but they’re also social justice christians and have donated money to putting up immigrant water/food stations in the sonora desert… [and yes, they retired to GV].

105. jam.fuse - 31 March 2007

Honeybees are dying en masse all over the USA and Europe, don’t know about the rest of the world.

Loss of insects that pollinate plants threatens crops throughout U.S.

By Sandy Bauers, Feb 10 PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER

PHILADELPHIA – Something is killing the nation’s honeybees.

Dave Hackenberg had 3,000 hives and figures he has lost all but about 800 of them.

In labs across the nation, researchers have been stunned by the number of calls about the mysterious losses.

“Every day, you hear of another operator,” said Dennis vanEngelsdorp, acting state apiarist with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. “It’s just causing so much death so quickly that it’s startling.”

At stake is the work the honeybees do, pollinating more than $15 billion worth of U.S. crops, including Pennsylvania’s apple harvest, the fourth-largest in the nation, worth $45 million, and New Jersey’s cranberries and blueberries.

While a few crops, such as corn and wheat, are pollinated by the wind, most need bees. Without these insects, crop yields would fall dramatically. Agronomists estimate Americans owe one in three bites of food to bees.

Holy shit.

106. missdevore - 31 March 2007

the paine–Pantagruel–thanks for the discovery. I have not read Rabelais–the book is a free download at Project Gutenberg, btw.

“At the end of the fifth volume, which was published posthumously around 1564, the divine bottle is found. The epic journey ends with Pantagruel producing a large piece of ass shit, perhaps the ultimate commentary on the subjects of politics and religion which the books satirize.”

I also found an ezine called the New Pantagruel, but they have closed shop.

107. bayprairie - 31 March 2007

miss mary sunshine
all blistered and burned
throws matches in gasoline.

as the blaze broils her
she cries “its not fair,
what they keep doing to me!”

108. missdevore - 31 March 2007

I have a huge confession to make–it’s actually an N-style vacuum bag I am looking for. However, there were no N-styles, either, at my 2 nearest sources.

109. missdevore - 31 March 2007

Mitm-are you referring to Pissing on Summer Lawns as “dog eat dog”. Please explain.

110. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

I do not see men (hetero men, anyway) lining up to take pole dance classes, pose nude,

Well, I would, but I’m not buff & and I only have an average package, so I doubt I’d be successful. :)

Great post Ms_X. While I come down in the other camp, I think your criticism on a cultural level is dead on.

111. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Thanks for mentioning the reconstruction. I did not know. With a poll I see.

I am going to say again, as I did over the sexual advisory to hrh/SV, mother of a small child. Way to spend the day.

Well, go for it. It has a lemming effect eventually.

112. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

MitM – unfortunately, I do, on vinyl no less. And, silly me, I’ve actually listened to the whole thing several times trying like hell to like it. Alas, that’s an impossibility.

113. the paine - 31 March 2007

SUPER VIX
quotes

“a woman is expected to take a narcissistic pleasure
in fulfilling male fantasies
rather than in exploring and acting out her own”

u know this sub hegelian hall of mirrors is like a ouija board to me

the nar and the anoclete
a poke on both halves etc etc
now its made “serious” by genderizing it
weaponized so to speak
made an arena of contention
n better thrown another overlay of conflictual stakes
like another tier to the three d chess board

very useful i’m sure
finding forks
to turn into
distinct pathways
so we can journey away from each other

do they tell us enough
about the road forward together
or do we just got to take the steps

requires…it seems…
ten lost trails
travelled at night in our dreams

we’d all be better off without imaginations ..right ???

that vapor that epiphantom
twistable as a sock
commanding as a snake

how many twists
done when along the way
separate say ted bundy
from say …me ???

114. marisacat - 31 March 2007

jam.fuse

there were congressional hearings this week on the honey bee issue.

I caught some of it rebroadcast on Cspan yesterday. It was excellent. A lot of talk of pollination and fruits and vegetables.. My godfather used to keep hives over in Emeryville CA… LOL so I paid attention.

115. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

Honeybees are dying en masse all over the USA and Europe, don’t know about the rest of the world.

Not good. On that note, I’m going back to bed.

116. missdevore - 31 March 2007

N-style is back in style!! Off to the hardware store for me.

117. the paine - 31 March 2007

miss d

I also found an ezine called the New Pantagruel, but they have closed shop

lets re open it

118. the paine - 31 March 2007

honey bees
made so much happen

reminds me of the undoc march

119. marisacat - 31 March 2007

hmm you know what the honeybee deaths remind me of… a news report I read years ago, maybe two decades, more… aobut the Ehtiopia/Eritrea war iirc.

War had come thru and come thru, devastation and dying. The locusts arrived and people barely noticed the war was so overwhelming. Drought and more devastation was overwhelmed by war.

Reminds me of the honeybees dying.

In the hearings that 15 billion figure (mentioned in the article jam.fuse excerpted) w/r/t pollination is a projection… the whole honey bee keeping (which makes for pollination) is mostly donation. 15 billion is what it would be if EVERYONE charged for what their bees do.

Honestly what I caught was great, very intense knowlegeable people getting out tons of information and talking very fast not to be rung down by the fucking clock.

120. missdevore - 31 March 2007

je paine-the new, improved Pantagruel–with extra ass shit?

I really am going to the hardware store, but decided to take the bus there which will arrive at my stop in 17 minutes.

121. colleen - 31 March 2007

I am going to say again, as I did over the sexual advisory to hrh/SV, mother of a small child. Way to spend the day.

Now you’ve gone and upset Martin again.

122. marisacat - 31 March 2007

whambulance for Martin.

123. colleen - 31 March 2007
124. marisacat - 31 March 2007

BTW, have on Waxman hearings with GSA Lurita Doan.

Big sparks between Waxman and the Repubs. Esp just now Dan Burton…

And earlier, Diane Watson hits iwth a left.

I jsut fell into it by accident..

GO WAXMAN!

125. supervixen - 31 March 2007

Bees: what I’ve heard from an organic farmer is that they think something in the fertilizers/pesticides has fucked up the bees so they’ve lost their faculties and they no longer know how to breed, carry on their daily behaviors, and so forth. It’s like Mad Bee Disease. So the hives die off. That’s the way he explained it, or the way I understood it, anyway.

More from The Beautiful Boy, this from Greer:

This is a book about male beauty. There are some who think the expression ‘male beauty’ oxymoronic, even perverse. Students of English as a foreign language are taught that it is incorrect in English to use the word ‘beautiful’ for a male. Good-looking males should be described as ‘handsome’. Handsomeness is not an aesthetic quality so much as a moral quality: handsome is as handsome does. The substitution of the word ‘handsome’ for ‘beautiful’ when referring to a male is the linguistic sign of an implicit understanding that it is wrong, demeaning even, to appreciate men for their looks. The feminist campaign against the failure of the phallocracy to appreciate women for anything else has rendered even more difficult the acknowledgement that many males are beautiful, at least for a part of their lives, and that some are staggeringly, even supernaturally beautiful.

[...]

Part of the purpose of this book is to advance women’s reclamation of their capacity for and right to visual pleasure. The nineteenth century denied women any active interest in sex, which was only to be found in degenerate types. By the end of the twentieth century female appetite for sexual stimulus had been recognized and platoons of male strippers mobilized to take commercial advantage of it. That healthy appetite should now be refined by taste.

This is a gorgeous book, filled with exquisite color reproductions of art, including works by little-known women artists whom Greer is committed to bringing out of the shadows of art history (see The Obstacle Race). I’m not sure I agree with everything Greer has to say, but a lot of it is compelling. For example, her idea that women are especially attracted to the beauty of boys and very young men because these males are not yet fully mature and hence not powerful enough to threaten them, or to be threatened by their sexual interest. She mentions the young Sinatra, Elvis, James Dean and several rock stars – but oddly enough, fails to mention the Beatles, the most famous “beautiful boys” of our era.

In terms of the “How dare you raise your eyes to me” phenomenon observed by MCat and others: it seems to me that the act of judging a man by his physical looks and sexual attractiveness is subversive to the male-dominated culture, and an unfavorable judgment would probably elicit an inordinately angry response from the male. I think this is what happened with DD. MCat made no overt judgment on his attractiveness, but the fact that she posted the unflattering photo and mocked his dating-site profile was enough to throw DD and other supporters of the male-dominated culture into a defensive rage. Hence the “bitchcuntwhore” attacks, PastorDan’s curse, threats to tear her up with claws, etc.

Women may not mock a man’s sexual appeal. That is the worst transgression possible.

126. marisacat - 31 March 2007

well I think the dating profile came out down in the thread (I will look again at that thread)

And to be frank, wanting an “energetic girl” had a lot to do with how women were treated at Dkos.

For me, ti was not the pie ad, I am sure I would have maybe noticed it (I breeze by ads mostly) and shrugged, if any reaction at all… it was the months of slamming women using “special interests”, abortion and abortion orgs on the FP.

Little wax doll Kos calling abortion “horrible” and then, from RedDan onward, the lemmings carrying the message. Just one instance across months.

So yes the Pie ad, in conjunction was offensive.

Like energetic girl to service a very nasty wannabe Dem Party Thug like DD.

As I recall in threads at Kos he also said whoever the lucky girl is, come the day, she should not work so she can care for him.

I would guess in a big crib iwth a big diaper.

127. wu ming - 31 March 2007

the bee thing is especially worrisome. almond farmers in the san joaquin valley are panicking, as it is a solely bee pollinated crop. imagine if you had to hand pollinate each blossom, what that’d do to the price.

eat those almonds when you can, folks. we may be in for a load of trouble.

128. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 March 2007

As for your computer, Do you know the manufacturer’s of the parts in question? If you don’t know them offhand, if you still have the original bill from the company that sold you your computer, they would be listed there.

Lucid, it’s a Gateway and we do still have the original bill etc. Thanks for the info again. I never would have figured that out – :-)

do they tell us enough
about the road forward together
or do we just got to take the steps

Don’t know what to say about that, the paine. I can only speak for myself and feel very lucky in the regard, no steps of the kind I think you are referring to. Maybe it is all about luck, I can’t say. But ‘going down the road together’ is the ultimate goal, is it not even if steps are necessary?

Also, who’s to say that some women choose roles that from the outside appear to be unequal. If they make that choice the question is ‘are they less equal’? Iow, having the ability to make the choice is really the issue. So long as it isn’t imposed by society.

129. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 March 2007

Waxman has been waiting and preparing for so long for this opportunity, marisacat. So, yes ‘Go Waxman’!

Lost a post – maybe it’ll eventually show up.

130. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 March 2007

Oops, it did show up – thanks MC.

131. marisacat - 31 March 2007

New Thread

132. missdevore - 31 March 2007

It’s Suction City chez Devore again! Viva l’OSH!

Despite it not being my favorite hardware store ever, I do like hardware stores; they are filled with all sorts of things that remind me there is so much I don’t know. But eventually something comes up and you will have to purchase one of these mysterious things and understand its place in the world. You might even have the opportunity to pass on some of this knowledge “you oughta get a 14cm pantagruel to use as an adapter…”
etc.

Not to say you don’t occasionally run across a horror. For me today, it was the faux-bronze garden statuary, with a mist of blue-green over it to indicate the grand age of the piece. The worst piece-about 3′ high, was of a young girl in a dress, using a hoola hoop. A terrible pained exhaustion in her eyes which murmured :”Yes, I won the hula hoop contest, but I’ve been doing this since 1960, forsaking even puberty, for this Sisyphean game”

133. arcturus1 - 31 March 2007

that Greer book sounds interesting, SV – thx! ‘male beauty’ is such a buggaroo for guys ‘cuz of a fear of homo-eroticism (& possibly being implicated in such should one upset the linguistic gender divide of beautiful/handsome) – how hard or uncomfortable it is for some men to even acknowledge another as handsome – Women may not mock a man’s sexual appeal. That is the worst transgression possible. – yep, that insecure male ego thang

I got used to women telling me I had beautiful hair when I was young – but recall as a teenage finding it odd . . . one grows as one can – I’ve known a number of beautiful men – outside & in

busy busy day ahead for me – here’s my newsie item for the day:

Now that warmer weather is arriving, the giant tent that was a winter home for 150 veterans is being packed away.

“For most of us, it’s back on the streets,” says Marvin Britton, a former military policeman who’s been crisscrossing the country since leaving the Army in 1971 following three combat tours in Vietnam.

The battered tent, pitched on a Navy parking lot, is reflective of a problem that almost certainly will worsen as more troops come home from Iraq and Afghanistan and leave active duty – there just aren’t enough beds for vets who end up homeless.
. . .

According to the Department of Veterans Affairs, there are about 195,000 homeless veterans on any given night. Last fall, the VA estimated a shortfall of 9,600 “transitional” beds for those vets, accommodations intended to serve as a stepping stone from the streets to independent living.

noticed the chron yesterday had a good piece on e-waste in the third world & the Basel Action Network (where the China cyberdump came from)

134. wilfred - 31 March 2007

Lucid Culture, thanks so much for the Joni. Hissing of Summer Lawns is a masterpiece.


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