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We’ll be diddling the war baby forever… 31 March 2007

Posted by marisacat in AFRICOM, Big Box Blogs, Culture of Death, DC Politics, WAR!.
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  night manoever, the taking of Haditha Dam, 2003, DOD/AP photo

I am a little behind, Arthur SIlber has a piece up from March 29 on the deaths of innocents at the hand of the perpetrators, building off Matt Taibbi in RS on congressional charades and Dave Lindorff from Counterpunch…  and here is a snip:

One of the primary ways in which evil advances is by means of people’s refusal to see the connection between their actions and their ultimate results. As I have often pointed out, those results are felt by specific, individual human beings. These are not finally abstract questions of “policy” or of intentionally unenforceable “timetables”: these are people’s lives — and people’s deaths.

So let’s make the connection that almost everyone struggles to avoid. Here is the approximate tally for only a single day, yesterday:

Heavy violence continued overnight in Tal Afar where retaliatory attacks for yesterday’s massive twin bombing left scores dead. Overall, at least 166 Iraqis were reported killed or found dead and another 146 were wounded throughout the country. Also, a Marine was killed in Anbar province yesterday, another GI died of non-combat related illness, and three British soldiers were wounded in separate incidents in Basra.

Asia Times has an article up, detailing the situation, to the extent known, of the 5 Iranians arrested in Iraq a few months ago..

Under Iraqi law, detainees identified as insurgents who are “actively engaged in hostilities” – those implicated in attacks on coalition forces and innocent Iraqi civilians – are supposed to be charged in civilian courts. They may be held up to 14 days before being brought before a magistrate and either charged with a crime or released. To hold detainees longer without charging them, detention authorities must provide justification for doing so, according to Horton.

That such requirements appear to be systematically ignored by US forces not only in Iraq, but also in Afghanistan and the broader “war on terror”, has fueled criticism of Washington’s detention policies and practices by human-rights groups and legal experts around the world.

“The US hasn’t articulated the legal grounds under which it detains ‘combatants’,” said John Sifton, a researcher with Human Rights Watch.

They regularly conflate criminal terrorism, innocent civilians and real combatants on the ground, and throw them all into the same pot. The vagueness of the war on terror has supplied the soil under which all this has flourished.”

US detention camps in Iraq currently hold more than 15,000 prisoners, most of whom, like the Iranians, have been held without charge or access to tribunals for months, even years, in some cases, according to a recent New York Times investigative report.

“It’s an exercise of raw power by the US that’s not backed by any legal justification,” said Horton.

I just do not see a possible scenario under which it ends.  In the grip of the militarists, the defense (misnomer) industry, a pliant greedy elected class, an overworked and very worried (on all fronts, for all manner of reasons) citizenry… additionally, as a diversionary stress release offered by the ruling class, their heads spun by social issues and the Rule Of God (we’ve left the tattered Rule of Law in the roadway… and Chavez and Morales have said what the El Norte Rule of Law means there, murder and mayhem.  Starvation and being driven from the land…) 

A warring, damning God, most days… 

MOGADISHU (Reuters) – Shelling rocked Mogadishu for a third day on Saturday, overwhelming hospitals with casualties as Ethiopian and Somali troops backed by helicopter gunships resumed attacks on Islamist rebels and clan militia.

Scores of civilians have been killed in what the International Committee of the Red Cross says is the capital’s worst fighting for more than 15 years. Ethiopia says its forces have killed more than 200 insurgents since the assault started.

Terrified residents said volleys of artillery rounds began crashing down onto homes hours before dawn.

“Whoever is doing this is not human. They have clearly never had a grandmother or children to think about,” Salado Yebarow, who lives between the main stadium and the presidential palace, told Reuters by telephone.

“The whole city is being shelled indiscriminately.” [snip]

As arms dealers the world over stand up and cheer!

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Oh yes, how could I forget:  The Lemming Version of diversionary.
Long and wordy.  From drool to twaddle and back again. 

I have the original text and nearly 60 original comments. louisianagirl, in a world well populated with operatives, was one form of the arc.  She arrived all politics, polls, analysis and tag space on comments that for all I know was for sale.  I don’t much care for Obama but her posts contra Obama had a whiff of cash in the air.  She hung at the Box Car Sites, as I call them, and posted as well at Swing State Project.  Not at Dkos, under that name anyway…

Then she became all about sex.  And laid her IED, in a place she knew tongues would hang out (I counted the naysaysers), especially the owner of the site..  LG tried to erase when the fun ws had — little is gone forever and people learned long ago from massive deletions at Dkos (Armando and DD among others) to save save save.

I will say it again, these are not nice people, they are not even decent. 

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1. missdevore - 31 March 2007

I just read about the Tal Afar bomb.

“BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The Iraqi government raised the death toll on Saturday from a truck bomb in the town of Tal Afar to 152, making it the deadliest single bombing of the four-year-old war.”

And I wondered if there weren’t some aerial bombings by the “liberators” that were deadlier.

2. wozzle - 31 March 2007

Hello, all, just dropped by to say that. I’ve missed those of you I’d met in Other Places. Been lurking here for a while; this is what the Other Places used to feel like.

3. missdevore - 31 March 2007

hi wozzle. I agree with your last sentence. it’s amazing what can be done without coffee cups, t-shirts and mojo.

4. wozzle - 31 March 2007

No mojo? Damn, and I crave the approval of strangers…

5. marisacat - 31 March 2007

hi wozzle… thanks for stopping in.

****************

Miss D

Cafe PRess Soon To Come (kidding!)

6. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

Thanks to lucid and the others who responded to my pro/anti-sex grumblings. Also the Greer book looks very interesting.

I have been in approximately four billion bruising fights on the pro/anti-sex issue(s) since I first went on the net, so I always post on the subject with trepidation. A lot of it. I see in this case my fears were unwarranted.

Mcat’s comments about the squalling cats reminds me of one of the worst horror movies ever: Strays, directed by Shaun Cassidy. Probably early Welles in his own mind, but totally inept. Not a film to be watched w/o help from intoxicants.

His killer-kitty flick opens with a horde of malevolent felines springing on and a killing the proverbial nice old lady while she is getting them a snack from the basement food shelf. You can see all these cans in the background as the cats move in to do their takedown. It is clear that nobody involved in the film ever owned [sic] a cat. Real cats wouldn’t dream of killing the old lady unless she’d used up all the cat food first and then failed to have any more delivered. Hollywood sure does think we’re stupid, doesn’t it.

7. marisacat - 31 March 2007

gotta keep the cats fed. They sure don’t kill when you are about to get the can off the shelf.

8. arcturus1 - 31 March 2007

(repost)

that Greer book sounds interesting, SV – thx! ‘male beauty’ is such a buggaroo for guys ‘cuz of a fear of homo-eroticism (& possibly being implicated in such should one upset the linguistic gender divide of beautiful/handsome) – how hard or uncomfortable it is for some men to even acknowledge another as handsome – Women may not mock a man’s sexual appeal. That is the worst transgression possible. – yep, that insecure male ego thang

I got used to women telling me I had beautiful hair when I was young – but recall as a teenage finding it odd . . . one grows as one can – I’ve known a number of beautiful men – outside & in – & don’t even start w/ ‘pretty’!

busy busy day ahead for me – here’s my newsie item for the day:

Now that warmer weather is arriving, the giant tent that was a winter home for 150 veterans is being packed away.

“For most of us, it’s back on the streets,” says Marvin Britton, a former military policeman who’s been crisscrossing the country since leaving the Army in 1971 following three combat tours in Vietnam.

The battered tent, pitched on a Navy parking lot, is reflective of a problem that almost certainly will worsen as more troops come home from Iraq and Afghanistan and leave active duty – there just aren’t enough beds for vets who end up homeless.
. . .

According to the Department of Veterans Affairs, there are about 195,000 homeless veterans on any given night. Last fall, the VA estimated a shortfall of 9,600 “transitional” beds for those vets, accommodations intended to serve as a stepping stone from the streets to independent living.

noticed the chron yesterday had a good piece on e-waste in the third world & the Basel Action Network (where the China cyberdump came from)

say msX – do you know Darklady in Portland? I used to read her often – she writes on 1st amendment issues & also does porn reviews

9. missdevore - 31 March 2007

though Lady Clitlicker shoes would be a hit–imagine the logo!

Back in 2001, an artist by the name of Sheila Malone did a piece called “Dick Hungry Whore: Gallo Vulgo Esurio Meretrix””. In a small completely white gallery, she set up clear shelving all around, and arranged tatooed oranges on them. The tatoos and text were derived from a previous show she did, where, among other things she asked viewers to write down terms they heard that referred to lesbians. Of course, given the anonymous way that it could be done, the terms ranged from the vernacular to the intensely homophobic. One of the latter was “Dick Hungry Whore”. She had t-shirts made for the opening with that and a few oranges silkscreened onto them.

And yes, I bought a t-shirt, but have not had the guts to wear it in public. Could not trust an unfiltered public to not take it as other than an advertisement. Although, I wasn’t at the opening, I heard a ton of the women there, gay and straight, bought and wore the t-shirt that night and found it strangely empowering.

10. JJB - 31 March 2007

The Tal Afar incident is now so bad that even the MSM is paying attention, and featuring the story prominently. The NYT has it right smack in the middle of its main page, even MSNBC features it prominently at their site. This is from the Paper Of Record:

The Interior Ministry gave its first news conference about the killing in Tal Afar, announcing that the total number of dead was 152 with another 347 wounded. It appeared that the 152 included those killed in the initial truck bombing of a Shiite neighborhood and those killed in the subsequent reprisals.

A retaliatory rampage by Shiite police officers and gunmen after the bombings killed 47 Sunnis, said Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, who runs the Interior Ministry’s National Command Center, which tracks attacks across Iraq.

The numbers of dead and wounded from the bombing were far higher than first reported in part because early numbers came from the Tal Afar hospital, but not all the bodies were taken there. A number were moved to surrounding towns.

As to what bombing might have been the worse, even the various strikes we’ve carried out in the last 4 years would be hard pressed to do this:

The initial truck bombing destroyed 100 houses and many shops in the neighborhood, which is a very poor district with ramshackle construction, officials said. When the huge bomb went off, nothing could stand up to it. “It is a very painful attack,” General Khalaf said. When it exploded, it left a 75-foot crater in the ground, he said. “That tells us that it had two tons of explosives,” he said. “The size of the disaster is very big. A part of the city was destroyed.”

He added: “A hundred houses were destroyed. It isn’t a small number for a small city like Tal Afar,” he said.

Tal Afar has approximately 200,000 residents.

Things are so bad that even one of the people most responsible for putting Bush in the White House and keeping him there for a second term has turned on him:

In 1999, Matthew Dowd became a symbol of George W. Bush’s early success at positioning himself as a Republican with Democratic appeal.

A top strategist for the Texas Democrats who was disappointed by the Bill Clinton years, Mr. Dowd was impressed by the pledge of Mr. Bush, then governor of Texas, to bring a spirit of cooperation to Washington. He switched parties, joined Mr. Bush’s political brain trust and dedicated the next six years to getting him to the Oval Office and keeping him there. In 2004, he was appointed the president’s chief campaign strategist.

Looking back, Mr. Dowd now says his faith in Mr. Bush was misplaced.

In a wide-ranging interview here, Mr. Dowd called for a withdrawal from Iraq and expressed his disappointment in Mr. Bush’s leadership.

He criticized the president as failing to call the nation to a shared sense of sacrifice at a time of war, failing to reach across the political divide to build consensus and ignoring the will of the people on Iraq. He said he believed the president had not moved aggressively enough to hold anyone accountable for the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, and that Mr. Bush still approached governing with a “my way or the highway” mentality reinforced by a shrinking circle of trusted aides.

[snip]

In speaking out, Mr. Dowd became the first member of Mr. Bush’s inner circle to break so publicly with him.

He said his decision to step forward had not come easily. But, he said, his disappointment in Mr. Bush’s presidency is so great that he feels a sense of duty to go public given his role in helping Mr. Bush gain and keep power.

Mr. Dowd, a crucial part of a team that cast Senator John Kerry as a flip-flopper who could not be trusted with national security during wartime, said he had even written but never submitted an op-ed article titled “Kerry Was Right,” arguing that Mr. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat and 2004 presidential candidate, was correct in calling last year for a withdrawal from Iraq.

Future historians will marvel at how so many people like Dowd (who whatever his moral and ethical failings is an incrediby sharp, savvy individual) were flummoxed into backing this dimwitted, dense, narrow, ignorant, and stubborn man, who’d accomplished nothing except extraordiary failures his entire life. Glad as I am to see Dowd finally speaking out about this, how could he ever have thought it would end otherwise?

11. wozzle - 31 March 2007

Hi, Mcat – I like your site; it feels homegrown. I hadn’t realized the major upheavals that happened at dk; during the piefights and aftermath of the 2004 elections I wasn’t around much.

12. missdevore - 31 March 2007

a flurry of wands! take the pledge!:

“Dead To Me

That’s the name that MSOC coined to name my new philosophy, which MSOC has told me she will adopt as well.

I called it “Do Not Engage”–leave it to MSOC to adopt something (borrowed from Stephen Colbert) 100 times catchier than my phrase.

The philosophy of Dead To Me is that there certain people whose behaviour online has become so toxic, so destructive, that I will no longer:

1. Respond to any of their statements, made on MyLeftWing, or on any blog;

2. Respond to any of their actions in the real world, including harassment at home and at work of people who have “crossed” them online;

3. Read any of their statements, made on this blog or anywhere else.

4. Acknowledge the validity of any argument they make unless and until they repudiate the hateful character assassination they have undertaken *elsewhere*, shall we say.

The purpose of the Dead To Me philosophy is NOT punitive nor negative; it is protective and positive.

By adopting the Dead To Me philosophy and having the discipline to practise it, I am attempting to protect myself from vicious rumours, innuendo, gossip, and personal vendettas that serve no constructive purpose whatsoever. I am trying to avoid being sucked into this crazy “flame war”, stoked by a few, that has culminated with people criticising MSOC for saving BeagleandTabby’s life a few days ago. I am trying to do my small part to rescue the blogosphere from what I consider an almost incomprehensible, nasty personal vendetta.

Notice that I have not mentioned the names of any blogs nor bloggers. Nor shall I.

Because those people, and their blogs, until they mend their ways, are Dead To Me.

Every person has to make a choice as to whether or not they should respond. This is my personal choice, and I do not require that anybody else follow it.

To those of you who are attempting to spread hatred through the power of your words:

Begone! You have no power here!

All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others.
by: The BloggingCurmudgeon @ Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 07:57:40 AM PST”

I find myself humming “Dead to Me” to the tune of “All of me”

catchy.

13. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

I have a huge confession to make–it’s actually an N-style vacuum bag I am looking for. However, there were no N-styles, either, at my 2 nearest sources.

Begone! Miss D.

(I was just waiting for an opportunity to say that.) :)

Shorter MSOC: I was so embarassed by LG’s diary that I just had to post it again. And the comments, the comments…such fine examples of the best literary prose in the blogosphere that they must be resurrected for all to see forever. Who could deny the blogosphere such invaluable gifts? Not I, my friends. Not I.

14. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

“Dead to Me”, but let’s keep talking about them anyway and how dead to me they all are.

Copyright violation alert!

15. marisacat - 31 March 2007

wrt The Blogging Curmudgeon, the “dead to me” version… here are his posts. He posted in two threads The “She got what was coming to her” one and in Well, there’s opera glasses and then there’s…

and just for the record here are his comments. Below (I am hunting for it is my reply)

Please note who he arrived to slam, an opprotunistic commenter, to say the least (sorry for the length but the shit drama of Voyeurs is not going to be treated as a tea party)

The Blogging Curmudgeon | bloggingcurmudgeon@gmail.com | IP:

I would say to Booman and to MSOC what Bill Maher once said to Ann Coulter:

“Now you’re just making shit up.”

Mar 26, 9:48 AM — [ Edit | Delete | Unapprove | Approve | Spam ] — “She got what was coming to her” – only been said forever:

The Blogging Curmudgeon | bloggingcurmudgeon@gmail.com | IP:

To be sure, Kos’ site is, erm, “drooping” and his site is losing, uh, “potency”. Kos tried to “erect” a site that could “penetrate” into the inner circles of the Democratic Party but it looks as if…

Oh, I can’t go on with this. It’s just too painful.

Mar 26, 9:45 AM — [ Edit | Delete | Unapprove | Approve | Spam ] — “She got what was coming to her” – only been said forever:

The Blogging Curmudgeon | bloggingcurmudgeon@gmail.com | IP:

MSOC is now channeling Kos:

According to MSOC, you’re a crybaby if you’re upset about being troll-rated:

I have, however, turned OFF the ratings system until such time as the less MATURE among us can prove to me that they will not either abuse them OR whine and cry like little fucking children when someone gives them a rating they don’t like. Said whining and crying being ESPECIALLY pointless and annoying given the fact that ratings DON’T MEAN ANYTHING HERE.

-9.63, -7.03 If I can’t rant, I don’t want to be part of your revolution.
by: Maryscott O’Connor @ Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 07:22:05 AM PST
[ Parent ]

(Note: Armando troll-rated Peeder on MLW for disagreeing with Armando. The Curmudgette of The Blogging Curmudgeon protested the rating as unfair.)

Yep, MSOC is building a paradise over there at MyLeftWing. She’s channeling Kos, for sure:

“…little fucking children…”.

The Curmudgette said it best when she took Armando to task for troll-rating Peeder: “Ratings are a form of communication” on the blogs, including MyLeftWing. And don’t enough troll ratings actually HIDE a comment, thereby removing it from the discussion?

Hm, let’s check the MyLeftWing rulebook.

From the Community Info section:

TROLL RATINGS

The cumulative effect of zero ratings is the disappearance of comments, so BE JUDICIOUS. I am NOT a fan of censorship, so unless the damned comments are totally vile or disruptive, think twice about making them disappear, okay? You can express your displeasure with the 1. (Except when it’s a joke, of course. But be judicious about that, too…

Wait…I thought the ratings didn’t matter? But they do?

Um, ok. Guess it depends on which of MSOC’s personalities is writing that day….

So MSOC is full of shit when she says that “ratings DON’T MEAN ANYTHING HERE.”

Isn’t she the proprietor of MyLeftWing? I would think she’d know as much about her own website as I do.

But you’d be wrong.

Mar 26, 9:43 AM — [ Edit | Delete | Unapprove | Approve | Spam ] — “She got what was coming to her” – only been said forever:

The Blogging Curmudgeon | bloggingcurmudgeon@gmail.com | IP:

Here’s what MSOC (or whoever wrote her MLW community section) wrote regarding troll ratings:

From the Community Info section:

TROLL RATINGS

The cumulative effect of zero ratings is the disappearance of comments, so BE JUDICIOUS. I am NOT a fan of censorship, so unless the damned comments are totally vile or disruptive, think twice about making them disappear, okay? You can express your displeasure with the 1. (Except when it’s a joke, of course. But be judicious about that, too…

Mar 26, 9:36 AM — [ Edit | Delete | Unapprove | Approve | Spam ] — Well… there’s opera glasses and then there’s…

btw, that second-to-the-last, the long one he spammed both threads with it.

I am hunting for my ONE reply to him

16. supervixen - 31 March 2007

What is remarkable in this newest incarnation of the LG diary is that Maryscott has reposted it under her own byline and has not mentioned Louisianagirl’s name anywhere.

If someone unaware of the previous episode came across it, they would think it was written by Maryscott.

The best that can be said about that is that it’s sloppy, disrespectful, unprofessional editing. Some observers might even see it as plagiarism. In any case, it is, in Maryscott’s phrase, “Very Fucking Uncool”.

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#9, Miss D: I love your description of the Dick Hungry Whore exhibition. The oranges are interesting: homage to Jeannette Winterson? (Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit)

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Hi wozzle! Nice to see you here.

The only problem with not having the ability to give “mojo” here is that there are always a lot of comments that I’d like to acknowledge but don’t have anything more to add to – e.g., here, those by arcturus and ms_x. So I think part of the “site culture” here is to get over feeling dissed if people don’t react to your comments. And that’s a Good Thing.

17. James - 31 March 2007

Shorter MSOC: I was so embarassed by LG’s diary that I just had to post it again. And the comments, the comments…such fine examples of the best literary prose in the blogosphere that they must be resurrected for all to see forever. Who could deny the blogosphere such invaluable gifts? Not I, my friends. Not I.

My thoughts (not that it matters as I am probably “dead” to someone rofl): louisianagirl did us all a freakin’ favor by deleting that pretentious piece of crap. Long live pretentiousness, I suppose. I’m sure she’s upset that it didn’t get glowing reviews, and embarrassed that she came across as unhinged rather than as I suppose her original intent to make the regulars here look bad.

18. missdevore - 31 March 2007

catnip#13-see previous thread, wherein I announce how things suck at my place.

19. supervixen - 31 March 2007

The Blogging C wrote me a very long, friendly email trying to strike up a discussion and I responded briefly, saying I’d get back to him/her soon. A day or so later he/she sent me an indignant screed consigning me to oblivion. I’m not sure what my sin was, but who cares. They are Mood Swingers.

20. marisacat - 31 March 2007

I answered BC in answering a comment that Msoc left at the end of ‘Well there’s opera glasses and there’s…My answer was in “She got what was coming to her”. I never obthered with BC at all. clear he was a bitch on a job, imo:

67. marisacat – 26 March 2007[Edit]

Do you people have NOTHING better to discuss?

Misrepresentations, outright lies, libelous implications — at least get creative, for chrissakes. Every time someone sends me a link, I hope against hope it will be SOMETHING new.

Nope. Same shit, different day.

(her comment is in the previous thread, I just figured out)

Msoc

You have a problem with something in this thread, address the individual whose comment it is.

Other wise, imo, you are spamming the site.

That was just such a vague comment.

As in, why don’t you and Blogging Curmudgeon work it out. to a mutual satisfaction. Your ratings rules and FAQ, mission statements etc., are not of interest to me.

Sorry! Just the way it is.

Remember, I don’t have to accept your comments to be posted here.. I don’t bother to post at your site. Never registered… even when attacked there thru 2006. I have told you this before.

21. supervixen - 31 March 2007

#17: james, I doubt that LG deleted any of her diaries – I suspect Maryscott deleted them.

22. JJB - 31 March 2007

Well, I for one would like to thank TBC for sharing with us his superb imitation of the southern end of a northbound horse.

From pseudointellectual faux eloquence to the real articles, here is a brilliant piece by Robert Fisk available online at Counterpunch, Shakespeare And War.

In an age when we are supposed to believe in the “War on Terror”, we may quarry our way through Shakespeare’s folios in search of Osama bin Laden and George W Bush with all the enthusiasm of the mass murderer who prowls through Christian and Islamic scriptures in search of excuses for ethnic cleansing. Indeed, smiting the Hittites, Canaanites and Jebusites is not much different from smiting the Bosnians or the Rwandans or the Arabs or, indeed, the modern-day Israelis. And it’s not difficult to find a parallel with Bush’s disasters in Afghanistan and Iraq–and his apparent desire to erase these defeats with yet a new military adventure in Iran–in Henry IV’s deathbed advice to his son, the future Henry V:

“…Therefore, my Harry,
Be it thy course to busy giddy minds
With foreign quarrels; that action, hence borne out
May waste the memory of the former days.”

The wasteland and anarchy of Iraq in the aftermath of our illegal 2003 invasion is reflected in so many of Shakespeare’s plays that one can move effortlessly between the tragedies and the histories to read of present-day civil war Baghdad.

Long, but well worth reading. Don’t miss it.

23. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

James,

I think it’s seriously disturbing that LG would have chosen to write a so-called “erotica” fantasy about someone she considers to be her enemy. That, coming from a self-identified feminist who used her posting privileges in an obvious attempt to subjugate another woman by taking a totally innocent picture, meant to represent the idea that we here keep an eye on the BBBs to expose their corruption, and turning it into some pseudo-masturbatory drama for others to drool over at MLW and BT.

It was offensive and sick. And that it has been reposted is just the ultimate slap in the face to mcat – or, so it’s supposed to be, right? That is clearly a passive/aggressive action meant to further denigrate mcat.

And, MSOC, I don’t care WTF your rules say about diaries not being deleted. Which part of the fact that it’s your blog and that there can be exceptions made to your rules by you don’t you understand? If someone posted a holocaust denial diary and deleted it, would you respost that too?

And people wonder why we have a bit of a problem with so-called progressive blog leaders who refuse to get a grip and actually take the lead by example in their communities. LG’s diary and its reposting is Exhibit A. Period.

When you are such a slave to your own rules that they become a black & white manifesto that enables truly obscene behaviour [cuntbitchwhore etc.], don’t expect not to be criticized for it.

24. missdevore - 31 March 2007

Svix #16-I did talk to the artist to see if she was referencing the book/movie, and was surprised she never heard of it. She used oranges because, apparently, one practices tatooing oranges when one is learning (she is also a tatoo artist).

Didn’t read the book-but caught the movie on TV on Bravo. Terrific movie; the exorcism attempt scene an incredible display of the type of behaviors people perform when they are so deadly certain they have found evidence of the devil.

It was almost if the girl would have been Dead to Them, had she not repudiated–well, I guess she ended up dtt. I think everyone who has the culturally reflexive, but not primarily hostile, reaction to things like gay marriage (civil unions ok, but should not be equivalent to marriage, etc) should see that movie. As for the primarily hostile, they’d probably cheer the scene.

svix#21–I think lg deleted cuz she did at bmt also–and it was pretty much ignored at bmt.

25. the paine - 31 March 2007

sab ballerina

last post 128 ??
wrote

“Also, who’s to say that some women choose roles that from the outside appear to be unequal.”

yikes ..if we were looking at a population
that had no stat tilt gender wise

no 3 or 4 to 1 tilt
surely the “uneven ness ”
of any relationship would be an individual problematic
unfreighted by any larger social “uneven ness”

we don’t notice submissive folks by hair colors

the meme uxorious hurled at adam by milton
is deeply contextual ..isn’t it
so now with norms and missions reconfigured
ought we to wack every girl friday
as unliberated ???

quite the low 70’S issue that ….

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more sab ballerina

” If they (some women)
make that choice ( to play an unequal role )

(ie choose of their own free will)
……… ‘are they less equal’?”

what a fantastically unanswerable question

the best kind …eh ??

do you start by looking at the socially constructed
right now happening reality
of gender politics ????
or your own gut/head /heart???

(well maybe not as so worded…. one hopes)

my best shot

start anywhere and be prepared not to finish
anytime soon

———————-

” having the ability to make the choice
is really the issue.
So long as it isn’t imposed by society”

well surely that’s a decided improvement
over overt maybe even legally enforceable
patriarchal structures

but the public private interface here
imo
ought not to privillige the public mission
so much over the private reality
as to make self policing
a private obligation

forced to act equal ???

to make all be equal
or seem equal
or seem balanced ???

too much ….you got me ……
i think of plato’s myth

we all are separated halves

once FF’s or FM’s or MM’s

but he hardly worked the details
prolly
cause it starts to explode to rapidly

we can always be
either
an example or a witness
plenty of ways to make a life led
for its intrinsic reasons
no matter how its led
or followed

meaningful to the social mission of gender equality

26. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

svix#21–I think lg deleted cuz she did at bmt also–and it was pretty much ignored at bmt.

It must have been an enormous blow to her ego that people just couldn’t recognize her psychoanalytical brilliance. snort

27. colleen - 31 March 2007

I will no longer acknowledge the validity of any argument they make unless and until they repudiate the hateful character assassination they have undertaken *elsewhere*, shall we say.

LOL! And an apology would change the online dynamics exactly how?

28. marisacat - 31 March 2007

I have had the same answer for years to “choice”… right now there hardly is any. Finishing HS is a struggle in some regions, there is an active game on to off load failing / struggling students. They are diverted (and REMOVED) from the public HS rolls to what used to be set aside remedial schools where (it used to be) public school rules and regs still apllied.

Not now. Now, once you accept ot leave the regular public HS, there is no rule to come to the place – the shelf – they have been offloaded to. So they drift. And drift away.

And the original school gets a nice clean, rid of the failures (or all who accepted the alternative, w/o knowing the reality) slate.

If you make it thru HS, still more struggle. So really waht are the damned choices? When white middle class struggle to get an education, that as some really hard nosed educators have pointed out, the DEMOCRATS unconditionally SELL as the ‘answer to everything’.

And certainly the old model of “PolyTechnic High” (we had a GREAT one here in a wonderful brick building by Kezar Stadium) is gone as a concept. just about.

As they sell education. barely a band aid…

So ”choice” is a mess.

29. arcturus1 - 31 March 2007

an active game on to off load failing / struggling students

accelerated by the $$ rewards of NCLB testing, no?

30. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Exactly… it all fits into NCLB. Like militarising the border – under Clinton – knowing what was coming from NAFTA.

making trench warfare of life in America as they off load back to home god knows how many who have been all but beaten to death from guerilla war for years.

31. missdevore - 31 March 2007

I feel compelled to be fair and balanced, as it seems L’orangerie has been neglected.

I had noted in a previous thread that taylormattd (it actually took me awhile to see the username as “taylor, matt d.” but now I like to think of it as taylormatted, emphasis on the last 2 syllables, as if he was some neglected poodle with great patches of matted fur) made his debut on bmt by trollrating lucid & I in the “msoc was right” diary.

well, one could hardly find a more diligent troll-hunter than matted. his off-topic response to nonparticle in a dk diary:

“And (0 / 0)

so when are you going to repost kos’ comment on marisacat’s site?

You know, no matter how much you kiss their asses, you won’t be accepted there. Marisa may have been nice when you were discussing technical things, but you really fucked up by attempting to humanize Armando over there. Hrh jumped all over you.

McCain luvs W

by taylormattd on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:29:20 PM PDT”

32. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

arcturus, I do indeed know Darklady. She’s an old friend of mr_xeno’s and also of some of my old college buddies. In a city this size it seems like everyone is connected at least secondhand to somebody else.

She had a good story in one of those Best Bisexual Erotica books, where she got in a swat at the PDX Rose Festival, which all right-minded malcontents deplore no matter where we stand on the porn issue.

33. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

#18. Miss D, Well I’m so glad to hear that there is the ability to suck at your place again. The bagless trauma weighed me down. I will now celebrate with yet another cup of tea.

#31. Divide and conquer. That’s the MO.

“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.”
– GK Chesterton

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

Miss Devore …

Sorry, I was out all day, so I didn’t get back to you on your “Dog Eat Dog” question.

“Hissing of Summer Lawns” is great ’70s Joni (released ’75), well worth having. “Dog Eat Dog” is a misbeggotten mess released in ’85, an attempt to make her sound “contemporary”. It sounded dated and sad the very day it was released. This album is a fine example of what happens when an artist, under pressure from her label to revive flagging sales to recoup a multi-release deal, listens to the hacks in marketing.

35. Tuston - 31 March 2007

Fish 0 humans
Tuston y sobrinos 15 blue gills.

Threw them all back, and aside from the torture of tiny hook in the lips the looked none the worse for the wear and swam off. Fortunately I can’t hear fish scream so I can rest some what easy in this illusion.

Hey Lucid:
from a comment from last thread, I hope he gets it
I humbly apologize for over stereo-typing the residents of green valley. I painted with too broad a brush; there are undoubtedly many concious, non racist residents. My aunt and old timey yankee liberal lives there too. I know the many of the local churches in the area are involved with humanitarian aid for migrants and honest charity work. Heck, there’s even a gay men of green valley club.

However, it is town with a higher percentage of minute meanies and their supporters than the surrounding towns. It was started in the 70’s as town for retired white folks, and it remains a town of retired white folks, altho the north end/Sahuarita is matastizing into woodframe stucco boxes intended for families. I’m willin to bet that your folks might agree with my estimation (lord knows my auntie does).

Anyhoo, sorry. Didn’t mean to insult the good burghers of green valley, ’cause they do exist in some numbers there.

36. Tuston - 31 March 2007

I guess The great Elvis Buddha in the sky is laughing at me.

No minute meanies implicated in the recent migrant shooting:

Two Mexican men who told authorities they were trying to hijack a load of drugs were arrested in connection with the fatal shooting of two illegal entrants in a pickup truck Friday morning.
A third person suffered gunshot wounds in the incident southwest of Green Valley.
No drugs were found in the pickup truck crammed with nearly two dozen entrants heading north from the border. Several children were in the vehicle that was fired upon, including two young children of a man who was killed, officials said.
Border Patrol agents found the suspects, Rosario Humberto Araujo-Monares, 21, and Martin Flores-Gaxiola, 18, both of Sinaloa, Mexico, near a campsite about a half-mile south of where the shooting occurred, said Deputy Dawn Barkman, a Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman. Investigators found three firearms at the campsite and continue to look for more suspects.
Araujo-Monares and Flores-Gaxiola, who was listed in the jail as Gaxiola-Flores, each face two counts of first-degree murder and 21 counts of attempted first-degree murder. They told investigators they were in the area with the intent of intercepting a load of drugs, said Barkman. The two men live in the United States, investigators believe.

AZ Star

Pardon me, whilst I go find a strong winch (not there is no e in the word) to remove my foot from my mouth…

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

by the way, I really enjoyed The Host today. It’s funny, a couple of good scares, and a VERY damning view of America from the POV of South Korea. Lots of interesting visual attacks on our occupation of that country, how boorish we often are even when we’re mouthing words of concern. With humor and some good thrills, the movie makes it clear that America is a virus that has invaded our host there, and we’re making them sick.

38. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

His killer-kitty flick opens with a horde of malevolent felines springing on and a killing the proverbial nice old lady while she is getting them a snack from the basement food shelf.

Ms_X I think this is the vision of our little band of vipers in the mind of those we are ‘dead to’… Porn fights can be very difficult – like, I think, anything regarding sexuality in our society. When it comes up all of the latent, ingrained and paradoxical currents of sexuality running through our culture emerge as an uncontrolable torrent. The important thing is to listen to what others say. While sexuality is cultural, it is also deeply personal and it impossible to graft atop it a rubric. I thought the porn thread the other day was a very level headed discussion – a model one at that.

SV, I’ve got to check out that Greer book. Very interesting reading.

Wozzle – this place is great. Stick around and enjoy the read. I do want my damned ‘clit-licker’ coffe mug & ‘bitchcuntwhore’ zippo lighter though.

39. jam.fuse - 31 March 2007

Dog Eat Dog is also a Ted Nugent song from ’76, when he could rock like the bloodthirsty maniac he later became, or possibly always has been.

Sabotage on a downtown street
Police cars overturned
You can`t do nothing to beat the heat
And if you don`t, you`ll get burned

Sleek women behind every door
Cost more than you got
You best be up if
You want some more
Cause if you don`t
You`ll be shot

Dog, dog, dog eat dog
Log on
Dog, dog, dog eat dog
Dog, dog, dog eat dog

Kamikaze from
The hundredth floor
Swan dive to the street
He couldn`t handle
This madness no more
He craved that sweeter meat

Yeah, yeah, yeah
Dog, dog, dog eat dog
Dog, dog, dog eat dog
Dog, dog, dog eat dog

Dog, dog, dog eat dog
Dog, dog, dog eat dog
Dog, dog, dog eat dog…..

Log on?

Gotta dig up that LP…

40. marisacat - 31 March 2007

I do want my damned ‘clit-licker’ coffe mug & ‘bitchcuntwhore’ zippo lighter though. – lucid

For some reason that reminds me of decades ago, some gay friend of my parents used matches from a So of Market gay hang out. You know, bar dancing and baths and booths along the way… my Mother asked for a box of the matches.

I did not really think about it but it was a hoot to see Mother bring out “Ritch St” matches … Then one day someone commented on it, Mother looked REALLY close at the somewhat artistic font… and realised it did not say:

BITCH St.

LOL she lost all interest.. what a hoot!

41. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

No offense taken Tuston. From having driven around the area when I visit my folks, I don’t think you’re wrong in your assessment. There are a lot of freaky folks in the area [and it is scarily white and midwestern]. An interesting thing has begun to happen among the retiree community there though – they’ve started to vote for Democrats. Most of my parents friends were lifelong Republicans & in their minds Bush has ruined the party forever. A lot of them are even now on board with gasp universal health care. The Democrats picked up that Congressional seat in the last election. It has been interesting to see the evolution since my parents arrived in around 2000.

That said, most are still very anti-immigrant [I think largely stemming from a racist undercurrent].

42. wozzle - 31 March 2007

Lucid – Zippo lighter? Damn, and I’m quitting smoking. Unfair.

Are your sure it’s not “clitlicker” lighter? Ever notice the sound a Zippo makes?

43. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

Mcat – that is a hoot. It wouldn’t be a bad name for a gay bar though.

I think we should also add a ‘Mudflap Feminism’ trucker’s hat complete with a pole dancer logo.

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

a “clitlicker” lighter … wow, that’s HOT.

45. lucidculture - 31 March 2007

Are your sure it’s not “clitlicker” lighter? Ever notice the sound a Zippo makes?

smirk… Maybe you’re right we should switch the two. We could have the most popular blog store on the net if we keep developing these ideas.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

Holy Crap (and I mean that literally):

Goodling’s involvement in Attorneygate is not the only aspect of her role in the Bush administration that bears examination. Her membership in a cadre of 150 graduates of Pat Robertson’s Regent University currently serving in the administration (?!?!?!?!?!) is another, equally revealing component of the White House’s political program.

Goodling earned her law degree from Regent, an institution founded by Robertson “to produce Christian leaders who will make a difference, who will change the world.” Helping to purge politically disloyal federal prosecutors is just one way Goodling has helped fulfill Robertson’s revolutionary goals.

Regent has assiduously cultivated close ties to the administration and its Republican outriders. Gonzales’s predecessor, John Ashcroft, is currently cooling his heels at Regent as the school’s “Distinguished Professor of Law and Government.” (HAHAHAHAHAHA) Christian right super-lawyer Jay Sekulow, who also teaches at Regent and shares a Washington office with Ashcroft, participated in regular briefings with the White House on court appointments. In 1998, he leased a private jet through Regent to fly Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to speak at the school’s 20th anniversary (Though Sekulow regularly argues cases before the Supreme Court, he apparently did not view hobnobbing with Scalia as an ethical breach).

When the Bush administration came into power, it looked to Regent for a reliable pool of well-groomed Republican ideologues eager to wage the culture war from the inside. The former dean of Regent’s Robertson School of Government, Kay Coles James, was promptly installed as the Director of the Office of Personnel Management.

47. marisacat - 31 March 2007

I have to say I am unsure Cafe PRess is up to a clitlicker lighter.

LOL… I should take a look around there. I have not since wilfred had a load of t-shirts made and sent to Crawford House during the August Occupation on Prairie Chapel Rd.

48. missdevore - 31 March 2007

ok, a semi-serious (but not the ones I’ve been working on!) new post at Je blague.

I’m too shy to link.

49. marisacat - 31 March 2007

oh Miss Devore, I just started reading it and was laughing… loved the opening graf. And your assessment of the message of his postcard.

50. missdevore - 31 March 2007

remember the old (surely dead) Yardley commercials about “Slicker”

will transpose:

“Clitlicker under
Clitlicker over
Clitlicker alone….”

and fwiw from the same period of time:

I thoroughly enjoyed the comedomicide of “Fresh Start”

And I endlessly plotted to find the time and money to purchase “Summer Blonde”. (put C.Tiegs on the map, no?)

Never made it-was reduced to doing “streaks” with Clairoxide, and laundry bleach down in the basement.

51. the paine - 31 March 2007

mcat i was reading silbers post

and of course the way my mind operates
i ‘m thinking
but the counter is obvious

if we leave the consequences in blood and horror will be even higher

now we’re in there we have an obligation to keep things from getting even worse

there’s no skating around this

sure one can bluster

“hey are you saying
a wack job greed head oil whore like dick cheney
can get us into something
totally bloody
with a such an unmitigated
level of brutality
and deceit
that is a clear war crime
as well as a crime against humanity
and then turn around with perfect impunity
once we’re in and his lies are revealed
hold us there by talking potential blood bath
if we with draw ”

yup

he wags the finger at us and sez
“remember cambodia ?????”

well then what is our counter to the counter

i’ll take your answer off the air

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007
53. missdevore - 31 March 2007

the paine-I understand the Cambodian parallels; due to our mea culpa mismanagement of Vietnam, we had no voice over the Pol Pot genocide.Did anyone on earth raise a finger?

The big difference, as I see it-is there was a draft during the Vietnam war–avoided by many of the current neocons of today with the devices available at that time-national guard, student deferments, cunning physicians, and the birth of cheneys.

but staying in with a sense of “responsibility” for what we unleashed in Iraq is still asking our overstretched military to keep going, no matter how many times you have been called back, no matter how many we return those not healed to the battlefield ASAP, no matter that the current vets are sleeping in the streets, or rotting, neglected in military hospitals.

And the bitch of it is, that bush KNEW he could start a foreverwar in the available contexts. As an aside, I am actually glad EveryoneknowsherasNancy is on to Syria, in opposition to the exec. branch strenuous efforts to stake out further regime changes by tieing to axisofevil affilitate.

54. marisacat - 31 March 2007

We have to leave. But no matter, I don’t see us leaving. so, soft yearnings for blood on urban camo will not be frustrated.

And tit for tit between congress and bush can continue anabated. I mean, what would end it? 21 months of fun fun fun. Endless spring break for the wretches in congress.

I somehow caught the homily from the pastor to the house. Before they all blew out of there. ugh.. Imagine trying to eulogise (more that than a benediction) the beauty of the corrupt wretches going home to chat up the electorate. but that is what he did.

55. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

I think I may have to give up the mantle of Keeper of Copyright Violations. Obviously, it’s a full time job.

56. the paine - 31 March 2007

nice prose jig mcat
s’why i visit

you be right its moot

we’re there to stay come what way

that’s just
the kinda hair pin Uncle S is

as more or less
jimmy cagney sez
some where or other
over and over

actually there’s a very easy answer
to the ” if we leave ….a blood bath ” stymie

but i must make some french toast
and fold the laundry
and then
take my sausge nazi’s
“for to do their nitely bizzziness “

57. Tuston - 31 March 2007

lucidculture #41
re: rethug to dumborat conversions in SoAZ

This is interesting phenomena that I’ve noticed myself. The pretzldent of local chamber of commerce (lackey of my arch-nemisis, GB, local “developer” extraodinare and “beard” wife to one of his tightly closeted toadies) suddenly is democrat. A member of the local old castillian style families (more evidence that not all whitemen look alike) I know told me he didn’t actually switch parties last time but he voted straight Democrat.

The tide has turned indeed, but only on the surface; there still is a wicked undercurrent sucking down toward the abyss. PK and I make annual family pilgrimmages to Gotham (yeah NYC rocks, yo!) and this year while we were stuck in O’hare ’cause of snow fallin hard in Mitm’s icy abode. Anyhoo stuck waiting for a direct to Tucson I happened to spark up a conversation with a older gent (complete with naval boat hat, the “tucson” i believe) from Green Valley who was absolutely sick of the war and opined, “Well I think we should just bring all the boyz back now, and nuke those damned A-rabs”

Back to los sobrinos. VAGs are cool but there’s nuthin like tickling a 6 year old to tears…

58. missdevore - 31 March 2007

catnip–I am still not in violation, eh?

test this one (I must do it now as I think the store closes at 6):

“Slouching Towards Turpenoid”

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

The “thanks” that this Empire gives to those who help us in our exploitive wars:

Her father, cousin and others were among thousands of Hmong trained by the CIA to fight Communist forces in Laos during the Vietnam War. When the Communist Pathet Lao took control, Vang and her family fled their war-torn city and resettled as refugees in Milwaukee.

Seven years ago, Congress recognized the contributions of people such as Vang’s family with the Hmong Veterans’ Naturalization Act.

But now, a provision in the USA Patriot Act defines Hmong refugees as terrorists. As a result, thousands in the United States can’t get green cards. And thousands of would-be refugees abroad are barred from resettling here. Vang’s stepsister Mai Lor is one of them.

Lor is hiding in a temporary settlement in Thailand.

“She’s just stuck in the middle, not knowing where to go,” said Vang, 35, who works for the Hmong American Women’s Association in Milwaukee. “It’s been really hard for her.”

The provision is not new. But attorneys with the Department of Homeland Security only began applying it to Hmong refugees in late 2005, said Larry Yungk, senior resettlement officer for the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees. Several other groups were also affected, including Burmese, Montagnards and Colombians who have been forced to give support to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, known as FARC and considered one of the worst terrorist groups in the world.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has recently issued waivers for some groups. But as of yet, no Hmong have gotten waivers, said Melanie Nezer, attorney for Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which works with refugees.

Lawmakers appear to agree that Hmong refugees should not be barred from the United States, but have struggled to see eye to eye on how to fix the law without weakening restrictions on actual terrorists.

The Patriot Act broadened the definition of a terrorist organization to include a group of two or more individuals, organized or not, which uses any dangerous device with the intent to endanger someone’s safety or damage property.

That means any resistance group that engaged in armed conflict with its government could be considered a terrorist organization, even if it is pro-democracy, said Naomi Steinberg, deputy director of the Southeast Asia Resource Action Center in Washington, D.C.

Plus, anyone who gives “material support” – including a safe house, money or transportation – to a terrorist organization has engaged in terrorist activity.

So Hmong refugees are considered terrorists, as are other groups that fought oppressive regimes.

“The Hmong have effectively been labeled terrorists as the result of the support they gave the U.S. during the Vietnam War,” Feingold said. “This is both unconscionable and the saddest of ironies.”

The 2000 census showed some 186,000 Hmong living in the United States, including roughly 34,000 in Wisconsin.

“A lot of us, we were forced into that war,” said Lo Neng Kiatoukaysy, executive director of the Hmong American Friendship Association Inc. in Milwaukee.

“People who’ve lived in camps for 10 or 20 years now, it’s not their fault that they’re there,” he said.

60. Lucid - 31 March 2007

“Slouching Towards Turpenoid”

Is that still under copyright?

my favorite poem – pretty much sums up the state of the world at the moment.

61. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

“Slouching Towards Turpenoid”

Well, the phrase itself appears to be safe (and is yet another good name for a band), but the word “Turpenoid” may be a trademark violation.

Once I’m done trying to find something other than baseball movies and stale, recycled news coverage to watch on the teevee or succumbing to a likely nap on this grey Saturday, I can look into it more closely.

62. Tuston - 31 March 2007

Turpenoid orTerpenoid?

I’ve heard BC comercial grade mj called “beasties” so perhaps a “slacking after terpenoid” is what I’m thinking ’bout…

63. marisacat - 31 March 2007

oh I expect we are just tired of the Hmong. You know, long ago far away. We have new issues.

I heard BOb Baer not that long after 9.11,,, mayby summer/ fall of 2003 say “anyone we don’t like is called “terrorist”.

Seems we have moved on.

64. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

The Patriot Act broadened the definition of a terrorist organization to include a group of two or more individuals, organized or not, which uses any dangerous device with the intent to endanger someone’s safety or damage property.

That would seem to apply to Bill Donohue.

65. jam.fuse - 31 March 2007

From IOZ?

Harry Reid could disembowel an Iraqi on the floor of the US Senate, eat the bloody guts, and challenge Bush to get over there and win the goddamn war himself, and still some pwog somewhere would write a thoughtful thousand words on the “turning point.” “Harry Reid and the Democratic Majority did not stop torture-killing Iraqis with their own bare hands today,” the editorial would read, “but the party has shed its timidity and is offering full-throated critiques of this President.”

66. missdevore - 31 March 2007

Returned with turpenoid. Made a good choice. Almost slid back to “ok, I’ll go there when it opens at 11 tomorrow and then go to paint’. When I got there, a sign on the door saying “closed for inventory April 1.

i would have been so fucked.

And now, though I know it smacks of getting cat food delivered, I am soaking my feet in a little tub of hot water and epsom salts with lavender. It might not have been necessary if the maid, cook, dogwalker, masseuse had not been no-shows for 52 years. {Ok, departed madre-you took care of about 10 of those years}

67. NYCee - 31 March 2007

Excellent, the Silber, Marisa. I am going to finish the Taibbi when I return (a quick skip to the corner grocerette and back)

68. NYCee - 31 March 2007

But must congratulate missdevore, first.

Jesus K-riste, honey!

Lawdy and hallelujah!

Can it really and truly be OVER”

Did you actually BAG – knock me over with a plume – “the bag”?

And are you saying that mess o trouble was all because you hadnt got the memo that N is the new H? (Is black the new brown, while youre at it?)

I was beginning to envision your H-needy vacuum cleaner as something great grandma had bequeathed you. Glad to hear of the joy the N doth bring.

Now fat and lazy dustmites at Chez Devore, feast well, for this is your LAST supper!

ZZZzzzzzzzzrrrroooooooommmm!!!

69. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

Miss D,

Next time you have vacuum-related stress, I’d suggest you contact this young fellow:

ADRIAN, Mich. (AP) — A 12-year-old boy who has collected more than 150 vacuum cleaners says he is learning to identify them by sound.

“I’m getting pretty good at it,” Kyle Krichbaum told the Detroit Free Press.

Kyle has been in Hollywood taping a game-show pilot where he had to compete against other contestants blindfolded and correctly identify vacuum models, the newspaper said Saturday.

He said he got his first working model at age 3 and keeps part of his collection in his room.

As a sidebar, which teevee exec came up with the idea for that game show? No doubt, it’s going to suck.

70. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

Security checks, what a comfort for the terrorized public:

WASHINGTON (AP) — A uniformed flight attendant was arrested at Dulles International Airport after she turned herself in for allegedly carrying a concealed handgun aboard a flight from Atlanta, authorities said Saturday.

The Transportation Security Administration, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies were investigating how the gun passed through security unnoticed in Atlanta, TSA spokesman Barry Phelps said. Flight attendants have to go through the same security procedures as all other passengers, he said.

Janet Tucker, 45, of Lithonia, Ga., turned herself in Friday for carrying the weapon on United flight 7591, said Rob Yingling, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority. She was in uniform but was not part of the duty crew at the time, he said.

“It seems it was an inadvertent incident, from her description,” he said.

Well, I suppose that since she most likely was not flying will being Muslim, she’ll just get a little slap on the wrist instead of a trip to Gitmo.

71. missdevore - 31 March 2007

NYCee-thank you for the gracious acknowledgement. A quibble-there were no H’s available in the place where the ultimate N was sought.

I hope I did not lead anyone to think the H-type bag might be a collector item. Sorry if you spent your bucks on ebay for same.

72. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

And now, though I know it smacks of getting cat food delivered, I am soaking my feet in a little tub of hot water and epsom salts with lavender.

Lavender? How frou frou of you!

73. missdevore - 31 March 2007

69-catnip (not meant to be sexual!)–that child is Beethoover.

Long ago Atlantic article suggested one reason songs pop into our head out of nowhere, is because we are listening to background noises of various machines. I found this to be very true when I worked in an ICU, where some open-heart patients ended up on an Intra-aortic balloon pump. And inevitably, “Charleston Alley” would be running across my mind.

There are however, some machines, that are completely without organic anaolgies–like copy machines.

74. NYCee - 31 March 2007

Oh, H is second fiddle, but you were misled into thinking you’d probably find it faster than the elusive N? I DO wish to get this right. I confess, I probably havent followed every installment of the saga.

Vacuum bags as topic of interest. Who’d a thunk?

PS – Thanks for saving me, and not a moment too soon, from investing my jumbo nest egg in Hs, though. Whew!

75. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Kevin,
Here’s the secret to success,
How can I say this in a subtle way?
Oh…taking into account your thoughtful way of expressing yourself….
Being careful to show the proper amount of deference to the proprietor…..

…subtle…subtle…

I’ve come to a conlusion and can only offer this small yet ultimately futile piece of advice…

psst…never, I mean never, disagree with the proprietor ;o) wink, wink

76. liberalcatnip - 31 March 2007

Long ago Atlantic article suggested one reason songs pop into our head out of nowhere, is because we are listening to background noises of various machines.

I could have sworn it was because I listened to the radio. ;)

Beethoover. lol

Eurekazart
Electrovinsky
Dirtbach

this could be fun…

77. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Super

I had the nearest corner grocery deliver Friday. As well.

78. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Really?
It’s only been a week.
I only counted 11…maybe 12 cats here. Plus, I thought you had 30 days worth delivered last week.
I’m really slipping…damn

79. colleen - 31 March 2007

Miss D,

I’m so pleased you finally found your bags.

80. marisacat - 31 March 2007

super..

fortunately I don’t have to ask you.

I’d let this one go Super.

81. missdevore - 31 March 2007

#78 colleen, it is almost like repudiating my evil ways; an exorcism. I feel the coffin lid creaking open already.

82. supersoling - 31 March 2007

No…it’s true,
you don’t have to ask me.
Then again,
I never asked you to ask me. I just said it

Be Well Marisa :o)

83. the paine - 31 March 2007

don’t know why
but i just went over to my L W

like reading hall mark cards some of it

but i found the thing so often refered to here recently
and in reading it i realized what balmy subject the running of that blog site has made out of that poor ignorant pudding of a soul

power power power
even the petty variety
like boss of a blog site
suddenly red queen ites

not very pretty what it does to a pliable spirit
ready for exhibition

power drunk and feeling no shame
wretched…
a caution to us all

84. marisacat - 31 March 2007

well… Voyeurs and the post-delete re-publish with a link to it from the front page scramble called METAmorphosis would appear to be the unholy outcome of a fuckball with a shark and a lemming in the middle.

Not a pretty sight.

85. NYCee - 31 March 2007

Oooh la la … lol. I finally checked out Voyeurs.

Hark! What deafening sound reaches this Manhattan locale?

Surely that is the yawn you, Marisacat, expelled (upon reading that pathetic attempt to belittle you), which has just now reached the east coast. All of Manhattan is yawning from contagion.

Quel garbahhhge.

(Close the windows and turn on the gas. Someone. Please.)

Read the “lemming version.” (Funny, it has Maryscott’s name attached, so it looked like she was the author… I was a bit befuddled at first.)

Give it a crutch, someone. It is laughably lame as a (intended) weapon to inflict damage and so is the notion, which seems to have served as inspiration, that the author was an objet d’obsession round these parts. Oh, and may I add that it is constipated beyond medicinal relief as far as ‘erotica’ goes. Pretensions to intellect have a way of producing clogged waste.

The stain thing is rather suspect, too. Babydoll!

86. missdevore - 31 March 2007

the paine, I just want to know if you signed the “Dead to Me” pledge? (If so, you are in violation and will be reported)

I like that it is called a “philosophy”. sounds more like a fad diet.

87. Tuston - 31 March 2007

power drunk and feeling no shame
wretched…
a caution to us all

yeah, true
but “left wing” dick taters
would never make pole dancers of anyone here.
or so goes the Viper code (sworn with middle finger extended prominently).

I just wonder why the terminally narcisitic catch cat scratch fever why there is always only one prognosis once they do:

talons to clits
rip themselves to bits
do the splits
just to prove themselves twits

88. the paine - 31 March 2007

bloody mary

typhoid mary

now

bloggy typo mary

89. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Bob Parry has up a VIPS assessment of the IRan – UK stand-off… which I guess is going into Day 10

From: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Brinkmanship Unwise in Uncharted Waters

The frenzy in America’s corporate media over Iran’s detainment of 15 British Marines who may, or may not, have violated Iranian-claimed territorial waters is a flashback to the unrestrained support given the administration’s war-mongering against Iraq shortly before the attack.

The British are refusing to concede the possibility that its Marines may have crossed into ill-charted, Iranian-claimed waters and are ratcheting up the confrontation. At this point, the relative merits of the British and Iranian versions of what actually happened are greatly less important than how hotheads on each side—and particularly the British—decide to exploit the event in the coming days. [snip]

90. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Tuston… well the last 4 lines, the ditty… reminds me that bayprairie said – quite some time ago – that kos made sure that addicts, one of whom was Armando, were elevated, petted and of course, used.

Myself I’d say he gave them a run for someone’s money.

However many years it all limps along, and unlike peeder’s bible readings, I think it does limp along… but whether it does or not… none of this turned out “well”.

91. colleen - 31 March 2007

Quel garbahhhge.

LOL. The original author (before emsock made it her own) was disappointed that so few understood the work’s ‘psychoanalytic implications’ whereas I’m thinking that we did.

92. Tuston - 31 March 2007

reason number # 1 why we are phucked be redemption, not only do we not here voices like the follwing in the US media, but they don’t exist within our government:

(UK MP Murray in the article linked in comment #89)

The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government map does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government. Only Iraq and Iran can agree on their bilateral boundary, and they have never done this in the Gulf, only inside the Shatt because there it is the land border too. This published boundary is a fake with no legal force…Anyway, the UK was plainly wrong to be ultra-provocative in disputed waters…

“They [the British Marines] would under international law have been allowed to enter Iranian territorial waters if in ’hot pursuit’ of terrorists, slavers, or pirates….But they were looking for smuggled vehicles attempting to evade car duty. What has the evasion of Iranian or Iraqi taxes got to do with the Royal Navy?”

93. NYCee - 31 March 2007

… and Tal Afar was supposed to be THE grand daddy showcase, no?

The mother of all benchmarks…

What we aspire/d to…

I heard some twitackular journalist from CSM on Washington Journal say that the Democrats cannot pull out of Iraq lickety split because they dont want to own this war, then went on to say how many college students of hers thought Vietnam was Nixon’s war… because, of course, he stayed in after Johnson got it started… So, then why should the Democrats want to stay in if they dont want to look like owners… Lady? She was at crosspurposes with her messaging, but worse, she sounded so earnestly invested in the notion that political calculations (even her convoluted ones) are so REAL – so much more so than the blood and guts out there every day.

Right back to the Silbur.

94. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Danggit,
whatta ya’ll do around here on a Saturday night for fun, anyway?

Louisianagirl?
Is that about it then?
Anyone here organizing or coordinating with a protest anywhere? Got a link?
A Green voter drive? I’ll show for both of those…..
Fuckit…Anarchy?…….
Dates? Places?
……….
……….

95. missdevore - 31 March 2007

#84 Mcat

“the unholy outcome of a fuckball with a shark and a lemming in the middle.”

much better than a troll recipe.

you are all making me laugh so much. Tuston #87, NYCee #85

Still working on #76 catnip

96. Tuston - 31 March 2007

weeeel there is some more “good” news on Iraq:

BAGHDAD- Iraq’s government has endorsed plans to relocate thousands of Arabs who were moved to Kirkuk as part of Saddam Hussein’s campaign to force ethnic Kurds out of the oil-rich city, in an effort to undo one of the former dictator’s most enduring and hated policies.

snip

The contentious decision on Kirkuk was confirmed Saturday by Iraq’s Sunni justice minister as he told The Associated Press he was resigning. Almost immediately, opposition politicians said they feared it would harden the violent divisions among Iraq’s fractious ethnic and religious groups and possibly lead to an Iraq divided among Kurds, Sunni Arabs and Shiites.

The plan was virtually certain to anger neighboring Turkey, which fears a northward migration of Iraqi Kurds—and an exodus of Sunni Arabs—will inflame its own restive Kurdish minority.

San Jose Mercury News

The Kurds are gonna get their way, no matter what.

97. marisacat - 31 March 2007

I don’t see any way out. And god knows they can raise a “born to die” private army, scoured up from god knows where on earth sent to die where ever by the USA USA Stadium Sports nation…

The reports are already around months ago that we were recruiting in the “protectorates” and the Phillipines. Dangle a US citizenship they won’t live to receive, etc.

I think we are hitting the first edges of bottom.. but how would it ever hit some unseeable bottom, but just skate forever in the black hole.

98. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

Cosmo Cavallaro slams right back at that nazi Donohue:

C. CAVALLARO: Yes, I get it. I think it’s an overreaction.

You just heard the gentleman calling artists losers, or me a loser. I think what he’s — his assault is on the public at large, artists, and freedom of speech, and every Catholic. I’m a Catholic, and I’m a Christian.

And I think this gentleman doesn’t even represent the people that are in his faith.

DONAHUE: That’s funny. You said I put out a fatwa, right? Or the — or the — that was the — the guy who ran the lab, says I put out a fatwa. I put out a news release.

So, you’re accusing me of being like the Taliban; is that right?

C. CAVALLARO: Who, me? You’re not that intelligent.

Donohue breaks Godwin’s Law … took him a whole minute. Wonder how his supposed Jewish friends feel about him cheapening the final solution by comparing it to a chocolate god:

COOPER: But, Bill, doesn’t — doesn’t — I mean, don’t people have a right to express themselves? And isn’t that what art is about? Aren’t artists supposed to provoke thought?

DONAHUE: That’s right. And, if we — and if we put a swastika out on a stamp in the United States, we could call that art. It was an art exhibition. I don’t think Jews would go for that.

Just because art is art doesn’t mean that it is a right that is absolute. Art can be insulting and it can be offensive. And when these people are whining, claiming victim status, as this guy is doing, because of my exercise of my First Amendment right of freedom of speech — I didn’t call the cops to come in and censor this.

I’m simply saying I called up about 500 of my friends and — running different Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and non- sectarian organizations to boycott the Roger Smith Hotel. They’re morally bankrupt. I want to see them financially bankrupt.

COOPER: Cosimo, I want to give you the final thought. Do you plan to — to display this elsewhere?

C. CAVALLARO: Yes, I do, hopefully.

And I would like to add to the gentleman who referred to the swastika, he’s actually acting like a Nazi.

99. marisacat - 31 March 2007

I caught Cavallaro today in an interview… he made a lot of sense.. and OF COURSE it makes sense he is Catholic.

I notice that the run up to Easter is never great for some Catholics. You can rely on some of them to lose it.. and I saw Donohue bitching that Lent is when non believers seek to undermine Catholic tenets.

Oh raise those Holy Warriors for Jeeeeeeeeesus.

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007
101. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

Wait ! I’ve never disagreed with Mcat about anything ? Well, I know we disagree about Nader, Dean and Josh Frank ? Does that do for a start ? Unfortunately I’m pretty sure that if she saw the killer kitty flick, she’d totally agree with me about Shaun Cassidy’s value as auteur. So that’s kind of a dead end. Tsk.

Would somebody please punch my transfer now so that I can get off Super’s bus ?

Oh, and you are all in fine form this evening. NYCee in particular is cracking me up. Must be the full moon or something.

Now I need to go salt some slugs in the yard. It’s prime gastropod-growing season here in the NW, and I don’t want all my cute baby Hostas and Lungworts beheaded by sunrise.

102. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 March 2007

I agree with The Stranger

So, he wrote an op-ed admitting that Kerry was right, but never published it? He ‘considered’ protesting Bush’s War, but couldn’t bring himself to get the fuck off his couch and speak his mind?

As far as I’m concerned, fuck Matt Dowd.

I’ll say it again. Now that Bush’s approval is hitting rock bottom, Dowd wants us to believe that he’s come to this Big Realization that Bush is Not A Good Person.

I submit that if Bush’s approval was still above 50%, Dowd would have had no such realization. Dowd would still be on the Bush bandwagon, telling us all what a great president Bar’s kid is.

A lot of people are saying that it’s a good thing that Dowd is voicing his disappointment with Bush, and that liberals should welcome him with open arms.

Not this liberal. Matt Dowd crossed over to the Republican party to work for Bush, he trashed Al Gore and John Kerry, he helped George Bush wreck this place. Now he wants to come back – now that his Object Of Affection has proven to be a lying, law-breaking destroyer of American treasure, life and prestige?

No. I wish Dowd sleepless nights for the rest of his life. I want him to suffer with the choice he made and the people he helped destroy and the death and destruction he helped bring by shoving George W. Bush down America’s throat.

One more time – fuck Matt Dowd. Suffer, you fucking coward.

103. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Wow,
I’m disappointed…not for long though, I’m guessing :o)

Marisa,
what is it that you do actually?
Anything?
Other than bitch like the rest of us do?
Give me a reason to be inspired with this place.
Not like a need a leader, cuz leaders are few and far between.
But just for the fuck of it, besides reposting news stories…

inspiration?

104. missdevore - 31 March 2007

#19svix–so should we pony up for a mood swingset for them?

#97 Mcat. Lent? wasn’t that a Broadway musical?

and all-around appreciation for Sabrina Ballerina (a curtsey, is the proper response SB)

#98 Mitm, I’ll click on that next.

105. marisacat - 31 March 2007

ms_xeno

ugh in order to clean up slugs in the tiny garden.. I had to get over real gut wrenching ugh horror. And iwth gatos.. slug stuff was not a good idea. And the beer routine sure does not work…

ugh the mere thought.

*********************

You know what super

say whatever you like. Get it out.

In this thread. Maybe someone will play with you.

I’ll be putting up an overnight open thread in a few minutes.

106. NYCee - 31 March 2007

I saw the Killer Kitty flick, ms xeno!

Themz wuz bad kitties.

However, I did not know about the Shaun aspect. Surely an Oscar graces his mantle, along with framed Tiger Beats…

107. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Madman…

yeah but Matt Down is just doing what the whole R party is slowly, a little undercover right now, doing.

To ressurrect 08 … or at least minimise loses.

He is out here running Hot SOup an online scam. And advising Arnold… It hardly matters. We have the Dem version, Chris Lahane sitting on us here in SF as well.

ugh Operatives. Always running a scam.

108. NYCee - 31 March 2007

I think the “Dead To Me” pledge is a sincere attempt to feel, shall we say, more copacetic than has been the case. Perfectly understandable, I have no beef. I can respect that. There has been sturm n drang a plenty.

In deference, what do you think about subtitling this blog

Dead Men Talking

And for the gals…

Coupla (3, 4 …) Dead Chicks Sittin Around Talkin

Just a thought I had… For some reason theatrical productions came to mind.

109. Tuston - 31 March 2007

ms_xeno:

NW forest sushi is my favorite, ‘specially the giant banana ones.

HMMMMMMMMMMMM thems good eats (/not)

*******

Just in case youse guys were wonder if there are still turds floating in shallow orange kidded pool, here are a couple of grafs from two seperate diaries to give you faith the bath goes on.

I think it’s time to pause and reflect on two major events, and how they relate: First is the Democratic victory in November 2006, and second is the Purgegate scandal. Put those two together and my question might start to dawn on you: How did this victory ever happen? Every day we turn up another card in the deck stacked against the Dems. I’m simply staggered to think of the institutional and illegal obstacles that were overcome to put Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid in those chairs.

and

You find the Bible in letters, publications, and writings of all the Founding Fathers, even when it’s laced with skepticism. You find it in the speeches of nearly every politician who’s crossed the national stage. You find it flowing through the literature of every major American writer, believer and nonbeliever alike. It’s engraved in our national monuments, and has given names to cities and towns across the country. Even your children know a slew of Biblical expressions without realizing it.

There’s a simple reason we need to teach the Bible: we cannot understand ourselves without it

110. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Actually I have always been glad that the Catholics, at least decades ago, were not hot on the Bible. And at the Convent we never never saw a Baltimore cathechism. I never saw one til I was over thirty in a second hand book shop.

And it reeked with the odor of nasty sanctity.

111. NYCee - 31 March 2007

Well this has been fun and super… I am not as tired as I usually am after a Saturday at work, and was happy to join in the jamboree.

I think Ill go watch some True Crime now.

supersoling, as for what to do re action, I am pretty much worn out at this point. I raise my glass to those who do, but I am feeling a bit faded these days and low on juice. What’s on your agenda?

112. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Marisa,
I’m not playing. I’ve side stepped, but I’ve never played.
And I was never looking for a new playground.
I’m looking for serious people, and this place ain’t the place to look.

113. missdevore - 31 March 2007

I’ve looked at slugs from both sides now.

I thought the black ones had a sort of elegance, the other colors looked like baby poop.

but when it came to my plants ( the issue was snails rather than slugs, but same bandits), I’d pick them off and hurl them to concrete death, from time to time.

But best solution is to use that liquid snail/slug bait, where there is no chance of another animal taking it. Sorry to be so endoskeletan-centric about it. but I wouldn’t hold a funeral for a fly, either. and don’t get me started on potato bugs.

It’s not hate, it’s”ick”.

114. bayprairie - 31 March 2007

supersoling.

your harrassing behavoir here is odd and creepy.

and you have some strong moral base to lecture others on their behavoir?

i’m not involved in your “issues” and yet i feel you’re now harrassing me.

its completely unfair. you should be ashamed of your behavoir.

115. marisacat - 31 March 2007

well super..

here is a site for you..

Looks to be organising up a storm. Registrations for Greens top and bottom. Sign up for the protest(s). Gather at the nearest mil installation.

Storm the WH, show up at School of the Americas. harvest the sugar cane in Cuba.

I landed there, for the first time since about day 2, as it indicated incoming referrer traffic tonight on my stats page, so I took a look.

But you keep spewing.

116. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Well shit,
came to p(s)l(e)a(e)y(k)
but only farted……….

see ya around M

117. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

Mcat, I generally do the salt-‘n-squash route. Or I use the version I learned at one of those Extension sites: Plastic yogurt cups (single-serving) with the lid on and a horizontal rectangular “doorway” cut halfway up the side. Immerse trap up to its bottom “doorway” line in the dirt, fill with lousy beer to said line, then put on the lid. Works nicely so long as there are plenty of traps. The lids keep the beer from evaporating or getting watered down in the rain.

I don’t like conventional poisons either, for the reasons you mentioned.

Oddly I have no compunction about picking up slugs nor their comrades in evil, the brown caterpillars. But I draw the line at touching earwigs. Bleah.

118. supersoling - 31 March 2007

“you should be ashamed of your behavoir.

but i’m not
there’s more than a few here who need to internalize that quote.

Madman, Wilfred, I know what they do.

The rest?….

Later

119. Tuston - 31 March 2007

sad supersoling
spins self, stepping sideways,
so sorry, so small

120. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 March 2007

Mitm, I agree with The Stranger also. Read your post on the Pat Robertson contribution to our legal system above. I did read about that plan a few years ago, but did not know they had progressed this far. Scary to think of who has been in charge of this country.

Waving to Wozzle – :-)

Miss D, congrats on the type N vaccuum bags – I was going to suggest , just hosing the whole place down and then sucking it all up with a shop vac. Glad the great, nationwide type H vaccuum hunt is over.

Lucid, don’t know if you saw my post in the previous thread – if not, thank you for the info – I do have the orginigal bills etc for the computer (Gateway) so will try to follow your directions and reinstall whatever needs to be reinstalled –

So many great posts, I’ve just finished reading them all and you vipers are the best snarkers on the internets – lol!

Catnip, update on my investigation into the private life of armando! While slithering through the tubes this weekend, I discovered that he, armando, is still using the word ‘heh’ without attribution. Will provide link if necessary! Have not yet established the orignator of the word.

It is possible that armando, beavis and butthead and, was it Reynolds? are all one and the same. Miss D is in charge of this part of the investigation. Speaking of which I found, in People Mag. some designer Columbo-type raincoats which she might be interested in.

Btw, is should be noted that we on this ‘reality based ‘ blog are always ready to provide evidence of any claims made! Booman otoh, has yet to provide any evidence of his claim that members of this blog are investigation armando’s private life. He says he has it but can’t post it! lol!

And to think that he also claimed that one cannot get away with making claims on ‘community blogs’ sans evidence!! rotfl!

121. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

[passes Tuston a 12-pack of Milwaukee's Best (sic) to accompany his gastropod feast.]

NYCee, have you seen The Uncanny as well ?

For those not in the know:

The Uncanny (1977)

Strays 1991

It’s the ultimate Killer Kitty Double Feature !!

In the latter, what appears to be a sound and strong ceiling is brought down by a combo of running water and a broomstick. Looks like lath ‘n plaster, shatters like a giant meringue wafer.

A metaphor for the future of BBBs, perhaps. Dream a little dream with me.

122. marisacat - 31 March 2007

oh I develped a system for picking up the slugs. ugh.. a lot of plastic bags and plastic gloves. Then more plastic bagging (yes I know… polluter but i do the best I can) and into the garbage.

We do have fewer than we used to have.

***************************

New Thread

123. Tuston - 31 March 2007

Ms_xeno:

Have you ever tried a copper barrier

If you know a roofer they might be able to give scrap copper flashing for free (tho with the war scrap copper is getting scarce).

124. marisacat - 31 March 2007

super

your insults are too obscure.

But I rather think Sat evening at ECFS (a perfectly fine thread imo, nothing wrong with it…) was not what you wanted to have exposed here.

Truck in better bullshit next time.

125. marisacat - 31 March 2007

Tuston…

a friend told me about the copper routine and I do have it around a few pots and ugh I lined the exterior wall under the big Kitchen window.

YES, one made it in once. It was jsut in the pots that sit on the ledge, but ugh more than I could take.

126. Miss Devore - 31 March 2007

ms_xeno–I don’t know if you heard me on other sites speaking about earwigs. the males have 2 penises. they can decide, as the rudest form of coitus interruptus, to break one off. this leaves the female earwig doomed to a life without sex thereafter.

the worst social arrangements among living things, by far.

dreadful that other species imitate, at times.

127. marisacat - 31 March 2007

oh MIssDevore.

That qualifies for genuinely horrible. And nasty.

128. Tuston - 31 March 2007

I can think of at least one blahgger with earwig envy

129. ms_xeno - 31 March 2007

Careful there, Miss D, lest you inspire another round of “erotica” over yonder…

Tuston, have read about the copper cure, but don’t have a cheap source for it. The riddle I have never solved is how you would keep the little munching snot-pods trapped outside of where your plants were, as opposed to inside.

Feh. Back East in darkest suburbia, my Dad used to entice ‘em with half-rounds of honeydew or cantaloupe rinds. He would just leave them in the yard overnight. The slugs would climb aboard, then he’d throw them away with the rind in the morning. I wouldn’t try that here in the city, though. Too many raccoons and rats would show up for the party.

130. supersoling - 31 March 2007

Damn, MCat,
a thread about music…love…and cat piss.
Stop it, you’re freaking me out

Next week….

131. bayprairie - 31 March 2007

there’s more than a few here who need to internalize that quote.

yeah but we arent cyber stalking
you are

132. missdevore - 31 March 2007

supersoling, if you don’t calm down, I may have to order a pizza delivery.

133. marisacat - 31 March 2007

SUper

For how long have you been claiming to leave – and not just this place.

Give it a break.

134. colleen - 31 March 2007

Madman, Wilfred, I know what they do.The rest?….Later

So supes, you’re sounding pretty creepy both hostile and inappropriate.

135. Tuston - 31 March 2007

Shame is for suckers, its a game straight out of the Angry White Male God play book.

Some sorry folks are gluttons for punishment I guess.

Regret for injury or ill intent I recognize as valid and useful to all parties concerned.

To try to make amends is even better.

But no Viper has bitten anybody who has not stepped on our backs first.

So why surrender to sad suckers saying so long for so long that they’ve started to smell like stale shit?


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