We’ll be diddling the war baby forever… 31 March 2007
Posted by marisacat in AFRICOM, Big Box Blogs, Culture of Death, DC Politics, WAR!.trackback

I am a little behind, Arthur SIlber has a piece up from March 29 on the deaths of innocents at the hand of the perpetrators, building off Matt Taibbi in RS on congressional charades and Dave Lindorff from Counterpunch… and here is a snip:
One of the primary ways in which evil advances is by means of people’s refusal to see the connection between their actions and their ultimate results. As I have often pointed out, those results are felt by specific, individual human beings. These are not finally abstract questions of “policy” or of intentionally unenforceable “timetables”: these are people’s lives — and people’s deaths.
So let’s make the connection that almost everyone struggles to avoid. Here is the approximate tally for only a single day, yesterday:
Heavy violence continued overnight in Tal Afar where retaliatory attacks for yesterday’s massive twin bombing left scores dead. Overall, at least 166 Iraqis were reported killed or found dead and another 146 were wounded throughout the country. Also, a Marine was killed in Anbar province yesterday, another GI died of non-combat related illness, and three British soldiers were wounded in separate incidents in Basra.
Asia Times has an article up, detailing the situation, to the extent known, of the 5 Iranians arrested in Iraq a few months ago..
Under Iraqi law, detainees identified as insurgents who are “actively engaged in hostilities” – those implicated in attacks on coalition forces and innocent Iraqi civilians – are supposed to be charged in civilian courts. They may be held up to 14 days before being brought before a magistrate and either charged with a crime or released. To hold detainees longer without charging them, detention authorities must provide justification for doing so, according to Horton.
That such requirements appear to be systematically ignored by US forces not only in Iraq, but also in Afghanistan and the broader “war on terror”, has fueled criticism of Washington’s detention policies and practices by human-rights groups and legal experts around the world.
“The US hasn’t articulated the legal grounds under which it detains ‘combatants’,” said John Sifton, a researcher with Human Rights Watch.
“They regularly conflate criminal terrorism, innocent civilians and real combatants on the ground, and throw them all into the same pot. The vagueness of the war on terror has supplied the soil under which all this has flourished.”
US detention camps in Iraq currently hold more than 15,000 prisoners, most of whom, like the Iranians, have been held without charge or access to tribunals for months, even years, in some cases, according to a recent New York Times investigative report.“It’s an exercise of raw power by the US that’s not backed by any legal justification,” said Horton.
I just do not see a possible scenario under which it ends. In the grip of the militarists, the defense (misnomer) industry, a pliant greedy elected class, an overworked and very worried (on all fronts, for all manner of reasons) citizenry… additionally, as a diversionary stress release offered by the ruling class, their heads spun by social issues and the Rule Of God (we’ve left the tattered Rule of Law in the roadway… and Chavez and Morales have said what the El Norte Rule of Law means there, murder and mayhem. Starvation and being driven from the land…)
A warring, damning God, most days…
MOGADISHU (Reuters) – Shelling rocked Mogadishu for a third day on Saturday, overwhelming hospitals with casualties as Ethiopian and Somali troops backed by helicopter gunships resumed attacks on Islamist rebels and clan militia.
Scores of civilians have been killed in what the International Committee of the Red Cross says is the capital’s worst fighting for more than 15 years. Ethiopia says its forces have killed more than 200 insurgents since the assault started.
Terrified residents said volleys of artillery rounds began crashing down onto homes hours before dawn.
“Whoever is doing this is not human. They have clearly never had a grandmother or children to think about,” Salado Yebarow, who lives between the main stadium and the presidential palace, told Reuters by telephone.
“The whole city is being shelled indiscriminately.” [snip]
As arms dealers the world over stand up and cheer!
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Oh yes, how could I forget: The Lemming Version of diversionary.
Long and wordy. From drool to twaddle and back again.
I have the original text and nearly 60 original comments. louisianagirl, in a world well populated with operatives, was one form of the arc. She arrived all politics, polls, analysis and tag space on comments that for all I know was for sale. I don’t much care for Obama but her posts contra Obama had a whiff of cash in the air. She hung at the Box Car Sites, as I call them, and posted as well at Swing State Project. Not at Dkos, under that name anyway…
Then she became all about sex. And laid her IED, in a place she knew tongues would hang out (I counted the naysaysers), especially the owner of the site.. LG tried to erase when the fun ws had — little is gone forever and people learned long ago from massive deletions at Dkos (Armando and DD among others) to save save save.
I will say it again, these are not nice people, they are not even decent.













I just read about the Tal Afar bomb.
“BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The Iraqi government raised the death toll on Saturday from a truck bomb in the town of Tal Afar to 152, making it the deadliest single bombing of the four-year-old war.”
And I wondered if there weren’t some aerial bombings by the “liberators” that were deadlier.
Hello, all, just dropped by to say that. I’ve missed those of you I’d met in Other Places. Been lurking here for a while; this is what the Other Places used to feel like.
hi wozzle. I agree with your last sentence. it’s amazing what can be done without coffee cups, t-shirts and mojo.
No mojo? Damn, and I crave the approval of strangers…
hi wozzle… thanks for stopping in.
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Miss D
Cafe PRess Soon To Come (kidding!)
Thanks to lucid and the others who responded to my pro/anti-sex grumblings. Also the Greer book looks very interesting.
I have been in approximately four billion bruising fights on the pro/anti-sex issue(s) since I first went on the net, so I always post on the subject with trepidation. A lot of it. I see in this case my fears were unwarranted.
Mcat’s comments about the squalling cats reminds me of one of the worst horror movies ever: Strays, directed by Shaun Cassidy. Probably early Welles in his own mind, but totally inept. Not a film to be watched w/o help from intoxicants.
His killer-kitty flick opens with a horde of malevolent felines springing on and a killing the proverbial nice old lady while she is getting them a snack from the basement food shelf. You can see all these cans in the background as the cats move in to do their takedown. It is clear that nobody involved in the film ever owned [sic] a cat. Real cats wouldn’t dream of killing the old lady unless she’d used up all the cat food first and then failed to have any more delivered. Hollywood sure does think we’re stupid, doesn’t it.
gotta keep the cats fed. They sure don’t kill when you are about to get the can off the shelf.
(repost)
that Greer book sounds interesting, SV – thx! ‘male beauty’ is such a buggaroo for guys ‘cuz of a fear of homo-eroticism (& possibly being implicated in such should one upset the linguistic gender divide of beautiful/handsome) – how hard or uncomfortable it is for some men to even acknowledge another as handsome – Women may not mock a man’s sexual appeal. That is the worst transgression possible. – yep, that insecure male ego thang
I got used to women telling me I had beautiful hair when I was young – but recall as a teenage finding it odd . . . one grows as one can – I’ve known a number of beautiful men – outside & in – & don’t even start w/ ‘pretty’!
busy busy day ahead for me – here’s my newsie item for the day:
noticed the chron yesterday had a good piece on e-waste in the third world & the Basel Action Network (where the China cyberdump came from)
say msX – do you know Darklady in Portland? I used to read her often – she writes on 1st amendment issues & also does porn reviews
though Lady Clitlicker shoes would be a hit–imagine the logo!
Back in 2001, an artist by the name of Sheila Malone did a piece called “Dick Hungry Whore: Gallo Vulgo Esurio Meretrix”". In a small completely white gallery, she set up clear shelving all around, and arranged tatooed oranges on them. The tatoos and text were derived from a previous show she did, where, among other things she asked viewers to write down terms they heard that referred to lesbians. Of course, given the anonymous way that it could be done, the terms ranged from the vernacular to the intensely homophobic. One of the latter was “Dick Hungry Whore”. She had t-shirts made for the opening with that and a few oranges silkscreened onto them.
And yes, I bought a t-shirt, but have not had the guts to wear it in public. Could not trust an unfiltered public to not take it as other than an advertisement. Although, I wasn’t at the opening, I heard a ton of the women there, gay and straight, bought and wore the t-shirt that night and found it strangely empowering.
The Tal Afar incident is now so bad that even the MSM is paying attention, and featuring the story prominently. The NYT has it right smack in the middle of its main page, even MSNBC features it prominently at their site. This is from the Paper Of Record:
As to what bombing might have been the worse, even the various strikes we’ve carried out in the last 4 years would be hard pressed to do this:
Tal Afar has approximately 200,000 residents.
Things are so bad that even one of the people most responsible for putting Bush in the White House and keeping him there for a second term has turned on him:
Future historians will marvel at how so many people like Dowd (who whatever his moral and ethical failings is an incrediby sharp, savvy individual) were flummoxed into backing this dimwitted, dense, narrow, ignorant, and stubborn man, who’d accomplished nothing except extraordiary failures his entire life. Glad as I am to see Dowd finally speaking out about this, how could he ever have thought it would end otherwise?
Hi, Mcat – I like your site; it feels homegrown. I hadn’t realized the major upheavals that happened at dk; during the piefights and aftermath of the 2004 elections I wasn’t around much.
a flurry of wands! take the pledge!:
“Dead To Me
That’s the name that MSOC coined to name my new philosophy, which MSOC has told me she will adopt as well.
I called it “Do Not Engage”–leave it to MSOC to adopt something (borrowed from Stephen Colbert) 100 times catchier than my phrase.
The philosophy of Dead To Me is that there certain people whose behaviour online has become so toxic, so destructive, that I will no longer:
1. Respond to any of their statements, made on MyLeftWing, or on any blog;
2. Respond to any of their actions in the real world, including harassment at home and at work of people who have “crossed” them online;
3. Read any of their statements, made on this blog or anywhere else.
4. Acknowledge the validity of any argument they make unless and until they repudiate the hateful character assassination they have undertaken *elsewhere*, shall we say.
The purpose of the Dead To Me philosophy is NOT punitive nor negative; it is protective and positive.
By adopting the Dead To Me philosophy and having the discipline to practise it, I am attempting to protect myself from vicious rumours, innuendo, gossip, and personal vendettas that serve no constructive purpose whatsoever. I am trying to avoid being sucked into this crazy “flame war”, stoked by a few, that has culminated with people criticising MSOC for saving BeagleandTabby’s life a few days ago. I am trying to do my small part to rescue the blogosphere from what I consider an almost incomprehensible, nasty personal vendetta.
Notice that I have not mentioned the names of any blogs nor bloggers. Nor shall I.
Because those people, and their blogs, until they mend their ways, are Dead To Me.
Every person has to make a choice as to whether or not they should respond. This is my personal choice, and I do not require that anybody else follow it.
To those of you who are attempting to spread hatred through the power of your words:
Begone! You have no power here!
All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others.
by: The BloggingCurmudgeon @ Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 07:57:40 AM PST”
I find myself humming “Dead to Me” to the tune of “All of me”
catchy.
I have a huge confession to make–it’s actually an N-style vacuum bag I am looking for. However, there were no N-styles, either, at my 2 nearest sources.
Begone! Miss D.
(I was just waiting for an opportunity to say that.)
Shorter MSOC: I was so embarassed by LG’s diary that I just had to post it again. And the comments, the comments…such fine examples of the best literary prose in the blogosphere that they must be resurrected for all to see forever. Who could deny the blogosphere such invaluable gifts? Not I, my friends. Not I.
“Dead to Me”, but let’s keep talking about them anyway and how dead to me they all are.
Copyright violation alert!
wrt The Blogging Curmudgeon, the “dead to me” version… here are his posts. He posted in two threads The “She got what was coming to her” one and in Well, there’s opera glasses and then there’s…
and just for the record here are his comments. Below (I am hunting for it is my reply)
Please note who he arrived to slam, an opprotunistic commenter, to say the least (sorry for the length but the shit drama of Voyeurs is not going to be treated as a tea party)
btw, that second-to-the-last, the long one he spammed both threads with it.
I am hunting for my ONE reply to him
What is remarkable in this newest incarnation of the LG diary is that Maryscott has reposted it under her own byline and has not mentioned Louisianagirl’s name anywhere.
If someone unaware of the previous episode came across it, they would think it was written by Maryscott.
The best that can be said about that is that it’s sloppy, disrespectful, unprofessional editing. Some observers might even see it as plagiarism. In any case, it is, in Maryscott’s phrase, “Very Fucking Uncool”.
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#9, Miss D: I love your description of the Dick Hungry Whore exhibition. The oranges are interesting: homage to Jeannette Winterson? (Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit)
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Hi wozzle! Nice to see you here.
The only problem with not having the ability to give “mojo” here is that there are always a lot of comments that I’d like to acknowledge but don’t have anything more to add to – e.g., here, those by arcturus and ms_x. So I think part of the “site culture” here is to get over feeling dissed if people don’t react to your comments. And that’s a Good Thing.
Shorter MSOC: I was so embarassed by LG’s diary that I just had to post it again. And the comments, the comments…such fine examples of the best literary prose in the blogosphere that they must be resurrected for all to see forever. Who could deny the blogosphere such invaluable gifts? Not I, my friends. Not I.
My thoughts (not that it matters as I am probably “dead” to someone rofl): louisianagirl did us all a freakin’ favor by deleting that pretentious piece of crap. Long live pretentiousness, I suppose. I’m sure she’s upset that it didn’t get glowing reviews, and embarrassed that she came across as unhinged rather than as I suppose her original intent to make the regulars here look bad.
catnip#13-see previous thread, wherein I announce how things suck at my place.
The Blogging C wrote me a very long, friendly email trying to strike up a discussion and I responded briefly, saying I’d get back to him/her soon. A day or so later he/she sent me an indignant screed consigning me to oblivion. I’m not sure what my sin was, but who cares. They are Mood Swingers.
I answered BC in answering a comment that Msoc left at the end of ‘Well there’s opera glasses and there’s…My answer was in “She got what was coming to her”. I never obthered with BC at all. clear he was a bitch on a job, imo:
#17: james, I doubt that LG deleted any of her diaries – I suspect Maryscott deleted them.
Well, I for one would like to thank TBC for sharing with us his superb imitation of the southern end of a northbound horse.
From pseudointellectual faux eloquence to the real articles, here is a brilliant piece by Robert Fisk available online at Counterpunch, Shakespeare And War.
Long, but well worth reading. Don’t miss it.
James,
I think it’s seriously disturbing that LG would have chosen to write a so-called “erotica” fantasy about someone she considers to be her enemy. That, coming from a self-identified feminist who used her posting privileges in an obvious attempt to subjugate another woman by taking a totally innocent picture, meant to represent the idea that we here keep an eye on the BBBs to expose their corruption, and turning it into some pseudo-masturbatory drama for others to drool over at MLW and BT.
It was offensive and sick. And that it has been reposted is just the ultimate slap in the face to mcat – or, so it’s supposed to be, right? That is clearly a passive/aggressive action meant to further denigrate mcat.
And, MSOC, I don’t care WTF your rules say about diaries not being deleted. Which part of the fact that it’s your blog and that there can be exceptions made to your rules by you don’t you understand? If someone posted a holocaust denial diary and deleted it, would you respost that too?
And people wonder why we have a bit of a problem with so-called progressive blog leaders who refuse to get a grip and actually take the lead by example in their communities. LG’s diary and its reposting is Exhibit A. Period.
When you are such a slave to your own rules that they become a black & white manifesto that enables truly obscene behaviour [cuntbitchwhore etc.], don’t expect not to be criticized for it.
Svix #16-I did talk to the artist to see if she was referencing the book/movie, and was surprised she never heard of it. She used oranges because, apparently, one practices tatooing oranges when one is learning (she is also a tatoo artist).
Didn’t read the book-but caught the movie on TV on Bravo. Terrific movie; the exorcism attempt scene an incredible display of the type of behaviors people perform when they are so deadly certain they have found evidence of the devil.
It was almost if the girl would have been Dead to Them, had she not repudiated–well, I guess she ended up dtt. I think everyone who has the culturally reflexive, but not primarily hostile, reaction to things like gay marriage (civil unions ok, but should not be equivalent to marriage, etc) should see that movie. As for the primarily hostile, they’d probably cheer the scene.
svix#21–I think lg deleted cuz she did at bmt also–and it was pretty much ignored at bmt.
sab ballerina
last post 128 ??
wrote
“Also, who’s to say that some women choose roles that from the outside appear to be unequal.”
yikes ..if we were looking at a population
that had no stat tilt gender wise
no 3 or 4 to 1 tilt
surely the “uneven ness ”
of any relationship would be an individual problematic
unfreighted by any larger social “uneven ness”
we don’t notice submissive folks by hair colors
the meme uxorious hurled at adam by milton
is deeply contextual ..isn’t it
so now with norms and missions reconfigured
ought we to wack every girl friday
as unliberated ???
quite the low 70′S issue that ….
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more sab ballerina
” If they (some women)
make that choice ( to play an unequal role )
(ie choose of their own free will)
……… ‘are they less equal’?”
what a fantastically unanswerable question
the best kind …eh ??
do you start by looking at the socially constructed
right now happening reality
of gender politics ????
or your own gut/head /heart???
(well maybe not as so worded…. one hopes)
my best shot
start anywhere and be prepared not to finish
anytime soon
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” having the ability to make the choice
is really the issue.
So long as it isn’t imposed by society”
well surely that’s a decided improvement
over overt maybe even legally enforceable
patriarchal structures
but the public private interface here
imo
ought not to privillige the public mission
so much over the private reality
as to make self policing
a private obligation
forced to act equal ???
to make all be equal
or seem equal
or seem balanced ???
too much ….you got me ……
i think of plato’s myth
we all are separated halves
once FF’s or FM’s or MM’s
but he hardly worked the details
prolly
cause it starts to explode to rapidly
we can always be
either
an example or a witness
plenty of ways to make a life led
for its intrinsic reasons
no matter how its led
or followed
meaningful to the social mission of gender equality
svix#21–I think lg deleted cuz she did at bmt also–and it was pretty much ignored at bmt.
It must have been an enormous blow to her ego that people just couldn’t recognize her psychoanalytical brilliance. snort
I will no longer acknowledge the validity of any argument they make unless and until they repudiate the hateful character assassination they have undertaken *elsewhere*, shall we say.
LOL! And an apology would change the online dynamics exactly how?
I have had the same answer for years to “choice”… right now there hardly is any. Finishing HS is a struggle in some regions, there is an active game on to off load failing / struggling students. They are diverted (and REMOVED) from the public HS rolls to what used to be set aside remedial schools where (it used to be) public school rules and regs still apllied.
Not now. Now, once you accept ot leave the regular public HS, there is no rule to come to the place – the shelf – they have been offloaded to. So they drift. And drift away.
And the original school gets a nice clean, rid of the failures (or all who accepted the alternative, w/o knowing the reality) slate.
If you make it thru HS, still more struggle. So really waht are the damned choices? When white middle class struggle to get an education, that as some really hard nosed educators have pointed out, the DEMOCRATS unconditionally SELL as the ‘answer to everything’.
And certainly the old model of “PolyTechnic High” (we had a GREAT one here in a wonderful brick building by Kezar Stadium) is gone as a concept. just about.
As they sell education. barely a band aid…
So ”choice” is a mess.
an active game on to off load failing / struggling students
accelerated by the $$ rewards of NCLB testing, no?
Exactly… it all fits into NCLB. Like militarising the border – under Clinton – knowing what was coming from NAFTA.
making trench warfare of life in America as they off load back to home god knows how many who have been all but beaten to death from guerilla war for years.
I feel compelled to be fair and balanced, as it seems L’orangerie has been neglected.
I had noted in a previous thread that taylormattd (it actually took me awhile to see the username as “taylor, matt d.” but now I like to think of it as taylormatted, emphasis on the last 2 syllables, as if he was some neglected poodle with great patches of matted fur) made his debut on bmt by trollrating lucid & I in the “msoc was right” diary.
well, one could hardly find a more diligent troll-hunter than matted. his off-topic response to nonparticle in a dk diary:
“And (0 / 0)
so when are you going to repost kos’ comment on marisacat’s site?
You know, no matter how much you kiss their asses, you won’t be accepted there. Marisa may have been nice when you were discussing technical things, but you really fucked up by attempting to humanize Armando over there. Hrh jumped all over you.
McCain luvs W
by taylormattd on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:29:20 PM PDT”
arcturus, I do indeed know Darklady. She’s an old friend of mr_xeno’s and also of some of my old college buddies. In a city this size it seems like everyone is connected at least secondhand to somebody else.
She had a good story in one of those Best Bisexual Erotica books, where she got in a swat at the PDX Rose Festival, which all right-minded malcontents deplore no matter where we stand on the porn issue.
#18. Miss D, Well I’m so glad to hear that there is the ability to suck at your place again. The bagless trauma weighed me down. I will now celebrate with yet another cup of tea.
#31. Divide and conquer. That’s the MO.
Miss Devore …
Sorry, I was out all day, so I didn’t get back to you on your “Dog Eat Dog” question.
“Hissing of Summer Lawns” is great ’70s Joni (released ’75), well worth having. “Dog Eat Dog” is a misbeggotten mess released in ’85, an attempt to make her sound “contemporary”. It sounded dated and sad the very day it was released. This album is a fine example of what happens when an artist, under pressure from her label to revive flagging sales to recoup a multi-release deal, listens to the hacks in marketing.
Fish 0 humans
Tuston y sobrinos 15 blue gills.
Threw them all back, and aside from the torture of tiny hook in the lips the looked none the worse for the wear and swam off. Fortunately I can’t hear fish scream so I can rest some what easy in this illusion.
Hey Lucid:
from a comment from last thread, I hope he gets it
I humbly apologize for over stereo-typing the residents of green valley. I painted with too broad a brush; there are undoubtedly many concious, non racist residents. My aunt and old timey yankee liberal lives there too. I know the many of the local churches in the area are involved with humanitarian aid for migrants and honest charity work. Heck, there’s even a gay men of green valley club.
However, it is town with a higher percentage of minute meanies and their supporters than the surrounding towns. It was started in the 70′s as town for retired white folks, and it remains a town of retired white folks, altho the north end/Sahuarita is matastizing into woodframe stucco boxes intended for families. I’m willin to bet that your folks might agree with my estimation (lord knows my auntie does).
Anyhoo, sorry. Didn’t mean to insult the good burghers of green valley, ’cause they do exist in some numbers there.
I guess The great Elvis Buddha in the sky is laughing at me.
No minute meanies implicated in the recent migrant shooting:
AZ Star
Pardon me, whilst I go find a strong winch (not there is no e in the word) to remove my foot from my mouth…
by the way, I really enjoyed The Host today. It’s funny, a couple of good scares, and a VERY damning view of America from the POV of South Korea. Lots of interesting visual attacks on our occupation of that country, how boorish we often are even when we’re mouthing words of concern. With humor and some good thrills, the movie makes it clear that America is a virus that has invaded our host there, and we’re making them sick.
Ms_X I think this is the vision of our little band of vipers in the mind of those we are ‘dead to’… Porn fights can be very difficult – like, I think, anything regarding sexuality in our society. When it comes up all of the latent, ingrained and paradoxical currents of sexuality running through our culture emerge as an uncontrolable torrent. The important thing is to listen to what others say. While sexuality is cultural, it is also deeply personal and it impossible to graft atop it a rubric. I thought the porn thread the other day was a very level headed discussion – a model one at that.
SV, I’ve got to check out that Greer book. Very interesting reading.
Wozzle – this place is great. Stick around and enjoy the read. I do want my damned ‘clit-licker’ coffe mug & ‘bitchcuntwhore’ zippo lighter though.
Dog Eat Dog is also a Ted Nugent song from ’76, when he could rock like the bloodthirsty maniac he later became, or possibly always has been.
Log on?
Gotta dig up that LP…
I do want my damned ‘clit-licker’ coffe mug & ‘bitchcuntwhore’ zippo lighter though. – lucid
For some reason that reminds me of decades ago, some gay friend of my parents used matches from a So of Market gay hang out. You know, bar dancing and baths and booths along the way… my Mother asked for a box of the matches.
I did not really think about it but it was a hoot to see Mother bring out “Ritch St” matches … Then one day someone commented on it, Mother looked REALLY close at the somewhat artistic font… and realised it did not say:
BITCH St.
LOL she lost all interest.. what a hoot!
No offense taken Tuston. From having driven around the area when I visit my folks, I don’t think you’re wrong in your assessment. There are a lot of freaky folks in the area [and it is scarily white and midwestern]. An interesting thing has begun to happen among the retiree community there though – they’ve started to vote for Democrats. Most of my parents friends were lifelong Republicans & in their minds Bush has ruined the party forever. A lot of them are even now on board with gasp universal health care. The Democrats picked up that Congressional seat in the last election. It has been interesting to see the evolution since my parents arrived in around 2000.
That said, most are still very anti-immigrant [I think largely stemming from a racist undercurrent].
Lucid – Zippo lighter? Damn, and I’m quitting smoking. Unfair.
Are your sure it’s not “clitlicker” lighter? Ever notice the sound a Zippo makes?
Mcat – that is a hoot. It wouldn’t be a bad name for a gay bar though.
I think we should also add a ‘Mudflap Feminism’ trucker’s hat complete with a pole dancer logo.
a “clitlicker” lighter … wow, that’s HOT.
smirk… Maybe you’re right we should switch the two. We could have the most popular blog store on the net if we keep developing these ideas.
Holy Crap (and I mean that literally):
I have to say I am unsure Cafe PRess is up to a clitlicker lighter.
LOL… I should take a look around there. I have not since wilfred had a load of t-shirts made and sent to Crawford House during the August Occupation on Prairie Chapel Rd.
ok, a semi-serious (but not the ones I’ve been working on!) new post at Je blague.
I’m too shy to link.
oh Miss Devore, I just started reading it and was laughing… loved the opening graf. And your assessment of the message of his postcard.
remember the old (surely dead) Yardley commercials about “Slicker”
will transpose:
“Clitlicker under
Clitlicker over
Clitlicker alone….”
and fwiw from the same period of time:
I thoroughly enjoyed the comedomicide of “Fresh Start”
And I endlessly plotted to find the time and money to purchase “Summer Blonde”. (put C.Tiegs on the map, no?)
Never made it-was reduced to doing “streaks” with Clairoxide, and laundry bleach down in the basement.
mcat i was reading silbers post
and of course the way my mind operates
i ‘m thinking
but the counter is obvious
if we leave the consequences in blood and horror will be even higher
now we’re in there we have an obligation to keep things from getting even worse
there’s no skating around this
sure one can bluster
“hey are you saying
a wack job greed head oil whore like dick cheney
can get us into something
totally bloody
with a such an unmitigated
level of brutality
and deceit
that is a clear war crime
as well as a crime against humanity
and then turn around with perfect impunity
once we’re in and his lies are revealed
hold us there by talking potential blood bath
if we with draw ”
yup
he wags the finger at us and sez
“remember cambodia ?????”
well then what is our counter to the counter
i’ll take your answer off the air
Redlining continues unabated.
the paine-I understand the Cambodian parallels; due to our mea culpa mismanagement of Vietnam, we had no voice over the Pol Pot genocide.Did anyone on earth raise a finger?
The big difference, as I see it-is there was a draft during the Vietnam war–avoided by many of the current neocons of today with the devices available at that time-national guard, student deferments, cunning physicians, and the birth of cheneys.
but staying in with a sense of “responsibility” for what we unleashed in Iraq is still asking our overstretched military to keep going, no matter how many times you have been called back, no matter how many we return those not healed to the battlefield ASAP, no matter that the current vets are sleeping in the streets, or rotting, neglected in military hospitals.
And the bitch of it is, that bush KNEW he could start a foreverwar in the available contexts. As an aside, I am actually glad EveryoneknowsherasNancy is on to Syria, in opposition to the exec. branch strenuous efforts to stake out further regime changes by tieing to axisofevil affilitate.
We have to leave. But no matter, I don’t see us leaving. so, soft yearnings for blood on urban camo will not be frustrated.
And tit for tit between congress and bush can continue anabated. I mean, what would end it? 21 months of fun fun fun. Endless spring break for the wretches in congress.
I somehow caught the homily from the pastor to the house. Before they all blew out of there. ugh.. Imagine trying to eulogise (more that than a benediction) the beauty of the corrupt wretches going home to chat up the electorate. but that is what he did.
I think I may have to give up the mantle of Keeper of Copyright Violations. Obviously, it’s a full time job.
nice prose jig mcat
s’why i visit
you be right its moot
we’re there to stay come what way
that’s just
the kinda hair pin Uncle S is
as more or less
jimmy cagney sez
some where or other
over and over
actually there’s a very easy answer
to the ” if we leave ….a blood bath ” stymie
but i must make some french toast
and fold the laundry
and then
take my sausge nazi’s
“for to do their nitely bizzziness “
lucidculture #41
re: rethug to dumborat conversions in SoAZ
This is interesting phenomena that I’ve noticed myself. The pretzldent of local chamber of commerce (lackey of my arch-nemisis, GB, local “developer” extraodinare and “beard” wife to one of his tightly closeted toadies) suddenly is democrat. A member of the local old castillian style families (more evidence that not all whitemen look alike) I know told me he didn’t actually switch parties last time but he voted straight Democrat.
The tide has turned indeed, but only on the surface; there still is a wicked undercurrent sucking down toward the abyss. PK and I make annual family pilgrimmages to Gotham (yeah NYC rocks, yo!) and this year while we were stuck in O’hare ’cause of snow fallin hard in Mitm’s icy abode. Anyhoo stuck waiting for a direct to Tucson I happened to spark up a conversation with a older gent (complete with naval boat hat, the “tucson” i believe) from Green Valley who was absolutely sick of the war and opined, “Well I think we should just bring all the boyz back now, and nuke those damned A-rabs”
Back to los sobrinos. VAGs are cool but there’s nuthin like tickling a 6 year old to tears…
catnip–I am still not in violation, eh?
test this one (I must do it now as I think the store closes at 6):
“Slouching Towards Turpenoid”
The “thanks” that this Empire gives to those who help us in our exploitive wars:
“Slouching Towards Turpenoid”
Is that still under copyright?
my favorite poem – pretty much sums up the state of the world at the moment.
“Slouching Towards Turpenoid”
Well, the phrase itself appears to be safe (and is yet another good name for a band), but the word “Turpenoid” may be a trademark violation.
Once I’m done trying to find something other than baseball movies and stale, recycled news coverage to watch on the teevee or succumbing to a likely nap on this grey Saturday, I can look into it more closely.
Turpenoid orTerpenoid?
I’ve heard BC comercial grade mj called “beasties” so perhaps a “slacking after terpenoid” is what I’m thinking ’bout…
oh I expect we are just tired of the Hmong. You know, long ago far away. We have new issues.
I heard BOb Baer not that long after 9.11,,, mayby summer/ fall of 2003 say “anyone we don’t like is called “terrorist”.
Seems we have moved on.
That would seem to apply to Bill Donohue.
From IOZ?
Returned with turpenoid. Made a good choice. Almost slid back to “ok, I’ll go there when it opens at 11 tomorrow and then go to paint’. When I got there, a sign on the door saying “closed for inventory April 1.
i would have been so fucked.
And now, though I know it smacks of getting cat food delivered, I am soaking my feet in a little tub of hot water and epsom salts with lavender. It might not have been necessary if the maid, cook, dogwalker, masseuse had not been no-shows for 52 years. {Ok, departed madre-you took care of about 10 of those years}
Excellent, the Silber, Marisa. I am going to finish the Taibbi when I return (a quick skip to the corner grocerette and back)
But must congratulate missdevore, first.
Jesus K-riste, honey!
Lawdy and hallelujah!
Can it really and truly be OVER”
Did you actually BAG – knock me over with a plume – “the bag”?
And are you saying that mess o trouble was all because you hadnt got the memo that N is the new H? (Is black the new brown, while youre at it?)
I was beginning to envision your H-needy vacuum cleaner as something great grandma had bequeathed you. Glad to hear of the joy the N doth bring.
Now fat and lazy dustmites at Chez Devore, feast well, for this is your LAST supper!
ZZZzzzzzzzzrrrroooooooommmm!!!
Miss D,
Next time you have vacuum-related stress, I’d suggest you contact this young fellow:
As a sidebar, which teevee exec came up with the idea for that game show? No doubt, it’s going to suck.
Security checks, what a comfort for the terrorized public:
Well, I suppose that since she most likely was not flying will being Muslim, she’ll just get a little slap on the wrist instead of a trip to Gitmo.
NYCee-thank you for the gracious acknowledgement. A quibble-there were no H’s available in the place where the ultimate N was sought.
I hope I did not lead anyone to think the H-type bag might be a collector item. Sorry if you spent your bucks on ebay for same.
And now, though I know it smacks of getting cat food delivered, I am soaking my feet in a little tub of hot water and epsom salts with lavender.
Lavender? How frou frou of you!
69-catnip (not meant to be sexual!)–that child is Beethoover.
Long ago Atlantic article suggested one reason songs pop into our head out of nowhere, is because we are listening to background noises of various machines. I found this to be very true when I worked in an ICU, where some open-heart patients ended up on an Intra-aortic balloon pump. And inevitably, “Charleston Alley” would be running across my mind.
There are however, some machines, that are completely without organic anaolgies–like copy machines.
Oh, H is second fiddle, but you were misled into thinking you’d probably find it faster than the elusive N? I DO wish to get this right. I confess, I probably havent followed every installment of the saga.
Vacuum bags as topic of interest. Who’d a thunk?
PS – Thanks for saving me, and not a moment too soon, from investing my jumbo nest egg in Hs, though. Whew!
Kevin,
Here’s the secret to success,
How can I say this in a subtle way?
Oh…taking into account your thoughtful way of expressing yourself….
Being careful to show the proper amount of deference to the proprietor…..
…subtle…subtle…
I’ve come to a conlusion and can only offer this small yet ultimately futile piece of advice…
psst…never, I mean never, disagree with the proprietor ;o) wink, wink
Long ago Atlantic article suggested one reason songs pop into our head out of nowhere, is because we are listening to background noises of various machines.
I could have sworn it was because I listened to the radio.
Beethoover. lol
Eurekazart
Electrovinsky
Dirtbach
this could be fun…
Super
I had the nearest corner grocery deliver Friday. As well.
Really?
It’s only been a week.
I only counted 11…maybe 12 cats here. Plus, I thought you had 30 days worth delivered last week.
I’m really slipping…damn
Miss D,
I’m so pleased you finally found your bags.
super..
fortunately I don’t have to ask you.
I’d let this one go Super.
#78 colleen, it is almost like repudiating my evil ways; an exorcism. I feel the coffin lid creaking open already.
No…it’s true,
you don’t have to ask me.
Then again,
I never asked you to ask me. I just said it
Be Well Marisa
)
don’t know why
but i just went over to my L W
like reading hall mark cards some of it
but i found the thing so often refered to here recently
and in reading it i realized what balmy subject the running of that blog site has made out of that poor ignorant pudding of a soul
power power power
even the petty variety
like boss of a blog site
suddenly red queen ites
not very pretty what it does to a pliable spirit
ready for exhibition
power drunk and feeling no shame
wretched…
a caution to us all
well… Voyeurs and the post-delete re-publish with a link to it from the front page scramble called METAmorphosis would appear to be the unholy outcome of a fuckball with a shark and a lemming in the middle.
Not a pretty sight.
Oooh la la … lol. I finally checked out Voyeurs.
Hark! What deafening sound reaches this Manhattan locale?
Surely that is the yawn you, Marisacat, expelled (upon reading that pathetic attempt to belittle you), which has just now reached the east coast. All of Manhattan is yawning from contagion.
Quel garbahhhge.
(Close the windows and turn on the gas. Someone. Please.)
Read the “lemming version.” (Funny, it has Maryscott’s name attached, so it looked like she was the author… I was a bit befuddled at first.)
Give it a crutch, someone. It is laughably lame as a (intended) weapon to inflict damage and so is the notion, which seems to have served as inspiration, that the author was an objet d’obsession round these parts. Oh, and may I add that it is constipated beyond medicinal relief as far as ‘erotica’ goes. Pretensions to intellect have a way of producing clogged waste.
The stain thing is rather suspect, too. Babydoll!
the paine, I just want to know if you signed the “Dead to Me” pledge? (If so, you are in violation and will be reported)
I like that it is called a “philosophy”. sounds more like a fad diet.
power drunk and feeling no shame
wretched…
a caution to us all
yeah, true
but “left wing” dick taters
would never make pole dancers of anyone here.
or so goes the Viper code (sworn with middle finger extended prominently).
I just wonder why the terminally narcisitic catch cat scratch fever why there is always only one prognosis once they do:
talons to clits
rip themselves to bits
do the splits
just to prove themselves twits
bloody mary
typhoid mary
now
bloggy typo mary
Bob Parry has up a VIPS assessment of the IRan – UK stand-off… which I guess is going into Day 10
Tuston… well the last 4 lines, the ditty… reminds me that bayprairie said – quite some time ago – that kos made sure that addicts, one of whom was Armando, were elevated, petted and of course, used.
Myself I’d say he gave them a run for someone’s money.
However many years it all limps along, and unlike peeder’s bible readings, I think it does limp along… but whether it does or not… none of this turned out “well”.
Quel garbahhhge.
LOL. The original author (before emsock made it her own) was disappointed that so few understood the work’s ‘psychoanalytic implications’ whereas I’m thinking that we did.
reason number # 1 why we are phucked be redemption, not only do we not here voices like the follwing in the US media, but they don’t exist within our government:
(UK MP Murray in the article linked in comment #89)
… and Tal Afar was supposed to be THE grand daddy showcase, no?
The mother of all benchmarks…
What we aspire/d to…
I heard some twitackular journalist from CSM on Washington Journal say that the Democrats cannot pull out of Iraq lickety split because they dont want to own this war, then went on to say how many college students of hers thought Vietnam was Nixon’s war… because, of course, he stayed in after Johnson got it started… So, then why should the Democrats want to stay in if they dont want to look like owners… Lady? She was at crosspurposes with her messaging, but worse, she sounded so earnestly invested in the notion that political calculations (even her convoluted ones) are so REAL – so much more so than the blood and guts out there every day.
Right back to the Silbur.
Danggit,
whatta ya’ll do around here on a Saturday night for fun, anyway?
Louisianagirl?
Is that about it then?
Anyone here organizing or coordinating with a protest anywhere? Got a link?
A Green voter drive? I’ll show for both of those…..
Fuckit…Anarchy?…….
Dates? Places?
……….
……….
#84 Mcat
“the unholy outcome of a fuckball with a shark and a lemming in the middle.”
much better than a troll recipe.
you are all making me laugh so much. Tuston #87, NYCee #85
Still working on #76 catnip
weeeel there is some more “good” news on Iraq:
San Jose Mercury News
The Kurds are gonna get their way, no matter what.
I don’t see any way out. And god knows they can raise a “born to die” private army, scoured up from god knows where on earth sent to die where ever by the USA USA Stadium Sports nation…
The reports are already around months ago that we were recruiting in the “protectorates” and the Phillipines. Dangle a US citizenship they won’t live to receive, etc.
I think we are hitting the first edges of bottom.. but how would it ever hit some unseeable bottom, but just skate forever in the black hole.
Cosmo Cavallaro slams right back at that nazi Donohue:
Donohue breaks Godwin’s Law … took him a whole minute. Wonder how his supposed Jewish friends feel about him cheapening the final solution by comparing it to a chocolate god:
I caught Cavallaro today in an interview… he made a lot of sense.. and OF COURSE it makes sense he is Catholic.
I notice that the run up to Easter is never great for some Catholics. You can rely on some of them to lose it.. and I saw Donohue bitching that Lent is when non believers seek to undermine Catholic tenets.
Oh raise those Holy Warriors for Jeeeeeeeeesus.
George Bush’s most beloved fuckups collector plates.
Wait ! I’ve never disagreed with Mcat about anything ? Well, I know we disagree about Nader, Dean and Josh Frank ? Does that do for a start ? Unfortunately I’m pretty sure that if she saw the killer kitty flick, she’d totally agree with me about Shaun Cassidy’s value as auteur. So that’s kind of a dead end. Tsk.
Would somebody please punch my transfer now so that I can get off Super’s bus ?
Oh, and you are all in fine form this evening. NYCee in particular is cracking me up. Must be the full moon or something.
Now I need to go salt some slugs in the yard. It’s prime gastropod-growing season here in the NW, and I don’t want all my cute baby Hostas and Lungworts beheaded by sunrise.
I agree with The Stranger
Wow,
)
I’m disappointed…not for long though, I’m guessing
Marisa,
what is it that you do actually?
Anything?
Other than bitch like the rest of us do?
Give me a reason to be inspired with this place.
Not like a need a leader, cuz leaders are few and far between.
But just for the fuck of it, besides reposting news stories…
inspiration?
#19svix–so should we pony up for a mood swingset for them?
#97 Mcat. Lent? wasn’t that a Broadway musical?
and all-around appreciation for Sabrina Ballerina (a curtsey, is the proper response SB)
#98 Mitm, I’ll click on that next.
ms_xeno
ugh in order to clean up slugs in the tiny garden.. I had to get over real gut wrenching ugh horror. And iwth gatos.. slug stuff was not a good idea. And the beer routine sure does not work…
ugh the mere thought.
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You know what super…
say whatever you like. Get it out.
In this thread. Maybe someone will play with you.
I’ll be putting up an overnight open thread in a few minutes.
I saw the Killer Kitty flick, ms xeno!
Themz wuz bad kitties.
However, I did not know about the Shaun aspect. Surely an Oscar graces his mantle, along with framed Tiger Beats…
Madman…
yeah but Matt Down is just doing what the whole R party is slowly, a little undercover right now, doing.
To ressurrect 08 … or at least minimise loses.
He is out here running Hot SOup an online scam. And advising Arnold… It hardly matters. We have the Dem version, Chris Lahane sitting on us here in SF as well.
ugh Operatives. Always running a scam.
I think the “Dead To Me” pledge is a sincere attempt to feel, shall we say, more copacetic than has been the case. Perfectly understandable, I have no beef. I can respect that. There has been sturm n drang a plenty.
In deference, what do you think about subtitling this blog
And for the gals…
Just a thought I had… For some reason theatrical productions came to mind.
ms_xeno:
NW forest sushi is my favorite, ‘specially the giant banana ones.
HMMMMMMMMMMMM thems good eats (/not)
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Just in case youse guys were wonder if there are still turds floating in shallow orange kidded pool, here are a couple of grafs from two seperate diaries to give you faith the bath goes on.
and
Actually I have always been glad that the Catholics, at least decades ago, were not hot on the Bible. And at the Convent we never never saw a Baltimore cathechism. I never saw one til I was over thirty in a second hand book shop.
And it reeked with the odor of nasty sanctity.
Well this has been fun and super… I am not as tired as I usually am after a Saturday at work, and was happy to join in the jamboree.
I think Ill go watch some True Crime now.
supersoling, as for what to do re action, I am pretty much worn out at this point. I raise my glass to those who do, but I am feeling a bit faded these days and low on juice. What’s on your agenda?
Marisa,
I’m not playing. I’ve side stepped, but I’ve never played.
And I was never looking for a new playground.
I’m looking for serious people, and this place ain’t the place to look.
I’ve looked at slugs from both sides now.
I thought the black ones had a sort of elegance, the other colors looked like baby poop.
but when it came to my plants ( the issue was snails rather than slugs, but same bandits), I’d pick them off and hurl them to concrete death, from time to time.
But best solution is to use that liquid snail/slug bait, where there is no chance of another animal taking it. Sorry to be so endoskeletan-centric about it. but I wouldn’t hold a funeral for a fly, either. and don’t get me started on potato bugs.
It’s not hate, it’s”ick”.
supersoling.
your harrassing behavoir here is odd and creepy.
and you have some strong moral base to lecture others on their behavoir?
i’m not involved in your “issues” and yet i feel you’re now harrassing me.
its completely unfair. you should be ashamed of your behavoir.
well super..
here is a site for you..
Looks to be organising up a storm. Registrations for Greens top and bottom. Sign up for the protest(s). Gather at the nearest mil installation.
Storm the WH, show up at School of the Americas. harvest the sugar cane in Cuba.
I landed there, for the first time since about day 2, as it indicated incoming referrer traffic tonight on my stats page, so I took a look.
But you keep spewing.
Well shit,
came to p(s)l(e)a(e)y(k)
but only farted……….
see ya around M
Mcat, I generally do the salt-’n-squash route. Or I use the version I learned at one of those Extension sites: Plastic yogurt cups (single-serving) with the lid on and a horizontal rectangular “doorway” cut halfway up the side. Immerse trap up to its bottom “doorway” line in the dirt, fill with lousy beer to said line, then put on the lid. Works nicely so long as there are plenty of traps. The lids keep the beer from evaporating or getting watered down in the rain.
I don’t like conventional poisons either, for the reasons you mentioned.
Oddly I have no compunction about picking up slugs nor their comrades in evil, the brown caterpillars. But I draw the line at touching earwigs. Bleah.
“you should be ashamed of your behavoir.
“
but i’m not
there’s more than a few here who need to internalize that quote.
Madman, Wilfred, I know what they do.
The rest?….
Later
sad supersoling
spins self, stepping sideways,
so sorry, so small
Mitm, I agree with The Stranger also. Read your post on the Pat Robertson contribution to our legal system above. I did read about that plan a few years ago, but did not know they had progressed this far. Scary to think of who has been in charge of this country.
Waving to Wozzle –
Miss D, congrats on the type N vaccuum bags – I was going to suggest , just hosing the whole place down and then sucking it all up with a shop vac. Glad the great, nationwide type H vaccuum hunt is over.
Lucid, don’t know if you saw my post in the previous thread – if not, thank you for the info – I do have the orginigal bills etc for the computer (Gateway) so will try to follow your directions and reinstall whatever needs to be reinstalled -
So many great posts, I’ve just finished reading them all and you vipers are the best snarkers on the internets – lol!
Catnip, update on my investigation into the private life of armando! While slithering through the tubes this weekend, I discovered that he, armando, is still using the word ‘heh’ without attribution. Will provide link if necessary! Have not yet established the orignator of the word.
It is possible that armando, beavis and butthead and, was it Reynolds? are all one and the same. Miss D is in charge of this part of the investigation. Speaking of which I found, in People Mag. some designer Columbo-type raincoats which she might be interested in.
Btw, is should be noted that we on this ‘reality based ‘ blog are always ready to provide evidence of any claims made! Booman otoh, has yet to provide any evidence of his claim that members of this blog are investigation armando’s private life. He says he has it but can’t post it! lol!
And to think that he also claimed that one cannot get away with making claims on ‘community blogs’ sans evidence!! rotfl!
[passes Tuston a 12-pack of Milwaukee's Best (sic) to accompany his gastropod feast.]
NYCee, have you seen The Uncanny as well ?
For those not in the know:
The Uncanny (1977)
Strays 1991
It’s the ultimate Killer Kitty Double Feature !!
In the latter, what appears to be a sound and strong ceiling is brought down by a combo of running water and a broomstick. Looks like lath ‘n plaster, shatters like a giant meringue wafer.
A metaphor for the future of BBBs, perhaps. Dream a little dream with me.
oh I develped a system for picking up the slugs. ugh.. a lot of plastic bags and plastic gloves. Then more plastic bagging (yes I know… polluter but i do the best I can) and into the garbage.
We do have fewer than we used to have.
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New Thread
Ms_xeno:
Have you ever tried a copper barrier
If you know a roofer they might be able to give scrap copper flashing for free (tho with the war scrap copper is getting scarce).
super
your insults are too obscure.
But I rather think Sat evening at ECFS (a perfectly fine thread imo, nothing wrong with it…) was not what you wanted to have exposed here.
Truck in better bullshit next time.
Tuston…
a friend told me about the copper routine and I do have it around a few pots and ugh I lined the exterior wall under the big Kitchen window.
YES, one made it in once. It was jsut in the pots that sit on the ledge, but ugh more than I could take.
ms_xeno–I don’t know if you heard me on other sites speaking about earwigs. the males have 2 penises. they can decide, as the rudest form of coitus interruptus, to break one off. this leaves the female earwig doomed to a life without sex thereafter.
the worst social arrangements among living things, by far.
dreadful that other species imitate, at times.
oh MIssDevore.
That qualifies for genuinely horrible. And nasty.
I can think of at least one blahgger with earwig envy
Careful there, Miss D, lest you inspire another round of “erotica” over yonder…
Tuston, have read about the copper cure, but don’t have a cheap source for it. The riddle I have never solved is how you would keep the little munching snot-pods trapped outside of where your plants were, as opposed to inside.
Feh. Back East in darkest suburbia, my Dad used to entice ‘em with half-rounds of honeydew or cantaloupe rinds. He would just leave them in the yard overnight. The slugs would climb aboard, then he’d throw them away with the rind in the morning. I wouldn’t try that here in the city, though. Too many raccoons and rats would show up for the party.
Damn, MCat,
a thread about music…love…and cat piss.
Stop it, you’re freaking me out
Next week….
yeah but we arent cyber stalking
you are
supersoling, if you don’t calm down, I may have to order a pizza delivery.
SUper
For how long have you been claiming to leave – and not just this place.
Give it a break.
Madman, Wilfred, I know what they do.The rest?….Later
So supes, you’re sounding pretty creepy both hostile and inappropriate.
Shame is for suckers, its a game straight out of the Angry White Male God play book.
Some sorry folks are gluttons for punishment I guess.
Regret for injury or ill intent I recognize as valid and useful to all parties concerned.
To try to make amends is even better.
But no Viper has bitten anybody who has not stepped on our backs first.
So why surrender to sad suckers saying so long for so long that they’ve started to smell like stale shit?