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Just a thread… 27 April 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Afghanistan War, AFRICOM, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Iraq War, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.
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  Iraq house sweep.. 2004 .. Mother and Children
      Mother and Children. Iraq house sweep, 2004. 

A long time ago… and yet, to 6 out of 8 Democrats on that stage in SC, Iraq – and Afghanistan, Iran, Mogadishu, any number of places to say nothing of Abu Graib, Guantanamo, Habaes Corpus and on and on – is nothing, nothing more that is, than a political chew toy.

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1. ms_xeno - 27 April 2007

I hate being stuck at work when all the juicy stuff is being thrown on the grill, but just to follow up from the last thread:

I have myriad problems with Kucinich, but none of them relate to his presence on the stump. Frankly, I always find it strange when people who I consider smart lament that such-and-such a politician doesn’t speak snappy enough, takes too long, etc. At some point it dawned on me that the very slickness we claim to prize in our news-as-entertainment may be the problem. Maybe we need to learn to prize the clumsy, the pedantic, the homely, the geeky, the anti-slick, if we want change. Maybe we need to accept that the ability to boil complex issues into a 90-second soundbite is itself the problem. Those who do it on autopilot are showing an unwillingness to wade into the messiness and awkwardness of everyday life. At the time when admission that there IS a mess is what we need the most. Worse, their obsession with getting to the point before the station break makes it likely that they will get the point totally wrong.

Amanda fell head over heels for Johnny because he just sounded so damn charismatic up there and all. And Johnny, when one tiny little chip was a little bit down, proved to have all the emotional depth and sincerity of a convenience store snack cake. Proved to have no clue about what his priorities should have been. The rush was entirely in the wrong direction: To prove to a bunch of tightassed religious busybodies who wouldn’t vote for the cowardly fuck anyway no matter what he did that he would jump when they snapped their fingers. Jump with a smile.

I submit that slickness and polish is the exact opposite of what we need. And there a million examples out there that prove it.

2. ms_xeno - 27 April 2007

SB, have you got your own blog yet ? If not, you should have one. I had not heard until today about the mysterious deaths on the AG’s watch.

Oh, and apropos of nothing, I hereby commit a deportable offense in my city of residence by proclaiming that Cat Power now and forever sucks eggs, and that I’d rather listen to Beth Orton any fucking day of the week.

And now back, literally, to the drawing board. ;)

3. marisacat - 27 April 2007

I scammed this from Danny Schechter’s News Dissector… he indicates via al Jazeera, but no link:

US accused of using neutron bombs 
Aljazeera.net

The former commander of Iraq’s Republican Guard has accused the US of using non-conventional weapons in its war against the Middle East country.

Saifeddin Fulayh Hassan Taha al-Rawi told Al Jazeera that US forces used neutron and phosphorus bombs during their assault on Baghdad airport before the April 9 capture of the Iraqi capital. Al-Rawi is one of the most wanted associates of Saddam Hussein, the deposed Iraqi leader, still on the run.

“The enemy used neutron and phosphorus weapons against Baghdad airport… there were bodies burnt to their bones,” he said. The bombs annihilated soldiers but left the buildings and infrastructure at the airport intact, he added.

A neutron bomb is a thermonuclear weapon that produces minimal blast and heat but releases large amounts of lethal radiation that can penetrate armour and is especially destructive to human tissue. About 2,000 elite Republican Guard troops “fought until they were martyred”, according to al-Rawi… 


hmmm it s been reported elsewhere but all are picking up on the al Rawi story.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 April 2007

I’m not asking for slick, I’m asking for the ability to articulate, to communicate, to be able to rally people around ideas and a common cause. That is, after all, what a politician should be able to do, if they’re not going to be just another deal maker, gladhanding version. There are pedantic geeks who can do that.

as for the “neutron bomb” story, Danger Room has a theory about what happened.

A neutron bomb is a variety of nuclear fission-fusion warhead optimized to produce the maximum amount of high-energy neutrons – but current designs will still produce an explosion in the kiloton range. This would be extremely conspicuous, seen and heard for many miles around. It would certainly a massive footprint in terms of radiation, which simply is not there.

So if it wasn’t a neutron bomb, what was he describing?

In the interview, Al Jazeera record this comment: “The bombs annihilated soldiers but left the buildings and infrastructure at the airport intact, he added.”

That’s bombs, plural. So there was no single giant explosion, but a series of smaller explosions which somehow killed the occupants of buildings without destroying the structures themselves. Interestingly, there is a weapon in the US arsenal designed to do exactly that.

The AGM-114N Metal Augmented Charge version of the Hellfire missile is “designed to produce higher sustained blast pressure in multi-room structures, and other confined spaces.

On May 15th 2003, just a few weeks after the action at Baghdad Airport, Donald Rumsfeld praised the new weapon, and quoted as saying the new warhead “can take out the first floor of a building without damaging the floors above, and is capable of reaching around corners, striking enemy forces that hide in caves or bunkers and hardened multi-room complexes.”

Although officially described as ‘metal augmented’ or even ‘hyperbaric,’ the new warhead is not distinguishable from thermobaric weapons which produce the same sort of enhanced blast with a lower overpressure and longer duration for more destructive effects. Like many thermobarics, the AGM-114N used finely powdered aluminum. The military are generally quiet about thermobarics because they have received such bad press. Human Rights Watch criticized them because they “kill and injure in a particularly brutal manner over a wide area.”

The thermal effects generated by this type of weapon would also explain why al-Rawi thought phosphorus was used.

It would certainly make sense to use hyperbaric/thermobaric weapons when attacking an airport. It would help ensure that there are no craters on the runways or unexploded warheads lying around (thermobarics are generally much more stable) so that the airport can be used as soon as possible by friendly forces.

Whether or not thermobarics were used, it’s quite clear that al-Rawi for one had no idea what hit him
….but it wasn’t a neutron bomb.

I remember reading somewhere that they were using a lot of thermobarics there … sounds like a reasonable explanation.

5. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 April 2007

That’s an excellent post, ms xeno, #1 – you are so right about appearances v substance. There’s an old movie called a ‘Patch of Blue’, I think that’s the title, which deals with exactly that. It’s a story about a poor blind girl and a black doctor who befriends her (played by Sidney Poitier). If you haven’t seen it, you should rent it ms xeno, I think you’d really like it.

She comes from a very poor family. Her grandfather walks her to the park every day and leaves her there. Her mother is a witch who yells most of the time. It is at the park that the doctor first notices her. They become friends. She is white, he is black. I think the point of the movie was that if we were all blind there would be no prejudice (hardly true, but I don’t think it was meant literally). When her mother finds out about the relationship (just friends) she freaks out because he is black.

In the end, the doctor pays for her to go to school. Your post reminded me of the movie – and how sad it is that what is on the surface so distracts from what is really important. Nice post.

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As for having a blog, no, and I would be a terrible blogger – lol! Credit for the dead women attorneys story goes to the little blog Iinked to in my post. I found a link to it, I think, originally on DU, but then forgot where I had seen the story so I had to search for it again today.

I like that little blog, it is full of information. He did a good job of presenting that story. He said he is ‘working hard’ to get the story out.

There is an update on his blog re the story, btw. He had apparently asked Samual Lipari for an email interview. His update says that Lipari has agreed to do it tonight.

Email Interview With Samuel Lipari

I noticed that some of the commenters on DU asked Lipari to join their discussion. He did respond, saying he is too busy to join in the discussion but is reading the threads on this story.

6. Sabrina Ballerina - 27 April 2007

The Hooker story is getting better by the minute. To begin with, apparently Randy was considered for the job Wolfowitz now holds at the World Bank. He was also a CEO at Eli Lilli.

But that’s not all. Randy is, apparently, the second ‘client’ named by the Madame. The other client was Harlan K. Ullman who is responsible for the phrase ‘Shock and Awe’. Looks like he was prescient in his choice of words, after all. We are surely awed if beyond shocked by now.

Shock and Awe’s expressed goal is simple: in the words of Harlan Ullman, to destroy the Iraqi people “physically, emotionally and psychologically.”

http://www.alternet.org/story/15027 /

Apparently Ullman was named over a week ago:

DC Madame tosses out a name

McLEAN, Va. — A woman charged with running a prostitution ring in the nation’s capital made good on her threat to identify high-profile clients, listing a military strategist known for his “shock and awe” combat theories as a regular customer in court documents Thursday.

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, who is acting as her own attorney, said Harlan K. Ullman, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, “is only one of dozens of such officials” who will be exposed as she prepares her defense.

Ullman declined to talk about the claim in a brief telephone interview with The Associated Press Thursday night, saying “the allegations are beneath the dignity of a comment.”

A cruel, disgusting man, no surprise he would be a hypocrite as well. But if Ed Rollins is correct, there will be Democrats on her list also. So Dems ought to refrain from being too excited about these revelations. However, it’s they utter hypocrisy of the right that makes this, and all the other stories (Foley, Haggard, Gingrich et al) so disgustingly hypocritical.

7. Kevin Lynch - 27 April 2007

isn’t it weird that we didn’t hear about Israel using thermobaric weapons against Hezbollah? they do seem to be our official weapons testing ally. maybe we refused to share the secret formula? cola formulas and super-shady-secret weapons are the only secrets Murka won’t sell!

Kevin

8. marisacat - 27 April 2007

hmm well I can expand on what did not work for me iwth Kucinich… and I did not bother to post on it – as, so what?

I think if you have a single issue, or a platform you want to further or a series of issues you want aired but you know you cannot win… you OWE the electorate to go every wehre you are invited, to the extent possible, show up and elucidate. Talk. Engage.

Kuc did not do that. Several forums that he disdained (hardball was one a series of one hour shows that Tweety did, one per primary candidate, SORRY! show up, do well, engage) and in another that I had thought was very suited to him he ws sulky. That was on Cspan with Steve Scully. One on one, an hour. He was like a young shy child. He refused to answer several questions about his childhood. SImple straightforward stuff that is not prying. In fact he claims to have a special take on poverty and HAS talked about the homelessness of his family. SO TALK.

Oh PUHLEEZE. he comes out of a jungle of politics, the Ohio leg and Cleveland city mayor.

Show up. And engage. He often took the fey route.

I am glad for all voices and Kucinich has done wome worthwhile stuff… but basically in the presidential primaries, he is too much of a dilletante.

i also urge people to catch his duet show piece this time, when he is with the wife. It so does not work for me. I think she is a self styled “spiritual healer cum guru cum whatever”. It falls flat for me. But what I see is a good game. They ladle out a fake new age routine, a spin, and avoid the hard political questions.

9. ms_xeno - 27 April 2007

The only thing I ever heard about Kucinich’s TV appearance was that he wasn’t funny enough on The Daily Show. I remember hearing a friend telling me this and wondering what being suitably clever on The Daily Show had to do with being a worthwhile candidate. [shrug] Part of the problem is that there’s no cable TV here and I tend to avoid the “news” like the plague. Such as it is. The TV-readiness of candidates isn’t a big deal to me.

The religious schtick I probably would also find off-putting, but that’s true of any religious practice used in public. I always feel the urge to make sure my wallet is still there when they bring out religion, be it New Age or Old Time or some combo thereof…

10. marisacat - 27 April 2007

Well she ladles the new age and he drops the chapter and verse.

Now I don’t care that this is a third wife. meaningless to me. But they sure do lecture and use religion.

And LOL I really suspect his conversion on abortion. But three marriages is OK.

It all falls apart.

11. ms_xeno - 27 April 2007

I tend to believe the conversion, if only because the general trend is the other way. A more solid career move would be to jump on board the Reid bandwagon. Rather than jump off.

12. wu ming - 27 April 2007

kucinich can’t communicate, and he can’t be botehred to really campaign.

granted, this doesn’t really set him apart from a whole party of dems who won’t really campaign worth a damn, or say much of anything of substance when the cameras are rolling.

one of these days, someone with kucinich’s positions is going to run like the world depended on it.

not yet, though.

and so, pathetic grasping for straws optimist that i am, i hope that gore v. 2.0 makes a run of it.

someone, for god’s sake, has got to speak the truth, and speak it in uncomfortable places. the american peple are not unlike the press corps; if they are not given the permission to get fired up, they tend to assume that they’re the weird, out of touch ones, and doubt their gut feelings about this handbasketa nd where it’s going.

i liked that gravel disdained the frontrunners.

i wish a lefty got in it to win it. and by that, i don’t mean moderation, i mean determination, stumping and a sense of theatre.

13. wu ming - 27 April 2007

as you can see, i fight madman’s worldview tooth and nail, even when he’s probably right. hope dies last.

14. ms_xeno - 27 April 2007

Well, I don’t think that it will be Kucinich. However, I remain confused at how often I see candidates who seemingly have the stances that progressives say they want. But the candidates are scorned and blacked out of the blogosphere, or dismissed as hopeless for what appear to me to be very peculiar and capricious reasons.

A candidate may very well be running somewhere as if his/her life depended on it. But if nobody wants to show up for the press conference, or if everyone wants to make fun of the candidate for being rough around the edges or having not gone through the proper channels first, it makes no difference.

I always think it’s funny when somebody on some DP stronghold snickers that I’m a “purist,” when it fact it seems to me that they are far more obsessed with rigid standards and dress codes than I could be in a million years. I just have a very different notion of what’s negotiable than they do. Substance is less negotiable than style.

But it’s late, and I’m getting fuzzy. Any less general point will have to wait. :/

15. bayprairie - 28 April 2007

I remember reading somewhere that they were using a lot of thermobarics there … sounds like a reasonable explanation.

yeah you know i remember reading about this a while back too. i still have the links too. weapons like these will be on black markets in a short while, probably are already.

Thermobarics All Over

Explosive Threat

isn’t it weird that we didn’t hear about Israel using thermobaric weapons against Hezbollah?

hezbollah might have been using them against israel.

Hezbollah`s Thermobaric Arsenal (maybe)

16. lucidculture - 28 April 2007

Cat Power now and forever sucks eggs

OK, before reading the rest of the thread, I must respond to this [& I also can't read the rest of the thread tonight because I've got a shotgun recording session that is starting in 8 hours and I need to get the fuck to bed].

Anyhow, I know Chan. I used to hang out at Max Fish with her. Her early albums are the most sublime thing you’ll ever hear.

She sucks live. Miss X, I don’t know if your response is to one of her live shows, or what, but don’t dismiss Chan, and don’t say she now and forever sucks.

Before you say that, go back and listen to Moon Pics.

Chan takes every sorrow in the world & spits it back with a voice that mimics the aching in your bones.

Losing the star without a sky
Losing the reasons why
You’re losing the calling that you’ve been faking
And I’m not kidding

It’s damned if you don’t and it’s damned if you do
Be true ’cause they’ll lock you up in a sad sad zoo
Oh hidy hidy hidy what cha tryin to prove
By hidy hidy hiding you’re not worth a thing

Sew your fortunes on a string
And hold them up to light
Blue smoke will take
A very violent flight
And you will be changed
Sand everything
And you will be in a very sad sad zoo.

I once was lost but now I’m found was blind
But now I see you
How selfish of you to believe in the meaning of all the bad dreaming

Metal heart you’re not hiding
Metal heart you’re not worth a thing

Metal heart you’re not hiding
Metal heart you’re not worth a thing

Metal Heart, copyright Chan Marshall, 1998.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

I’m rather fond of Cat Power, when I’m in the right mood for her. The latest has a nice post-modern Dusty Springfield thing goin’ on.

18. Miss Devore - 28 April 2007

happy impeachment day, vipes!

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

The Donks are speaking at the Donk convention in SC today. I’m going out, but if you’re inclined, C-SPAN is covering it live today starting at 10 EDT.

20. Miss Devore - 28 April 2007

MOB on his FP sure seems the expert on massage parlors.

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

hey wu ming, someone has to do it. I’d rather be wrong. Don’t think I am, though.

22. Miss Devore - 28 April 2007

(from rawstory):

“I’m sad today,” said one person close to Tobias, according to Saturday’s Washington Post. “The president loves him and Condi absolutely loves him.”

no “women who don’t love enough” jokes!

23. Miss Devore - 28 April 2007

shorthand for the Tobias revelations:

“The medium is the massage”

(apologies to M. Mcluhan)

24. colleen - 28 April 2007

Now I don’t care that this is a third wife. meaningless to me. But they sure do lecture and use religion.
And LOL I really suspect his conversion on abortion. But three marriages is OK.

The third wife is a full 31 years younger than him. There’s something wrong with people who marry those who are easily young enough to be their children.

I listened to Kucinich try to intellectually justify his abrupt change of heart in regard to abortion 4 years ago in an interview on a Seattle radio station. To say that I share your scepticism is an understatement. I believe him as much as I believe LV, which is to say, not at all. What I want to know is why this guy is chair of the Progressive caucus.

25. outofwater - 28 April 2007

I couldn’t believe this TPM post so I checked:

The second story dealt with Republican family values. David Huckabee, Mike Huckabee’s son, was arrested at the airport in Little Rock with a loaded 40-caliber Glock in his carry-on luggage. I check my toothpaste before I fly, but he said he forgot about the loaded gun. It could have happened to anyone, right?

But there’s more, David’s name has been in the paper before. In 1998, while his father was serving as governor, David, then 17, was fired as a Boy Scout camp counselor. David and another Scout captured a stray dog, strung it up to a tree, slit it’s throat, and beat it until it was dead. The Boy Scout administrators said “little” David was fired because he violated the part of the Scout oath to “be kind.” These stories are available by Googeling “David Huckabee” +dog + “Boy Scout” and “David Huckabee” + “Little Rock” +airport. I can’t post multiple links here, they get zapped into spam or I would provide more specifics.

Fox::

Nugent said David Huckabee had a .40-caliber Glock pistol in his black carry-on bag. Eight live rounds were in the gun — none in the chamber — and a nine-round clip was also in the bag. The weapon and ammunition were detained by Little Rock police while David Huckabee’s gun permit was seized and given to the Arkansas State Police.

Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said it is not unusual for people to forget they have a gun in their carry-on luggage.

Not unusual?

In 1998, David Huckabee was among two boys fired from a Boy Scout camp after a stray dog was killed after wandering onto camp property. David Huckabee, 17 at the time, said the dog appeared ill; no charges were filed. The elder Huckabee said then that politics was behind the dog-
killing accusation.

Elsewhere:

BOY SCOUTS KILL DOG!

ACTION NEEDED: DEMAND INVESTIGATION

(Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.

Arkansas State Police conducted a perfunctory investigation, but did not attempt to locate witnesses to the crime.

26. outofwater - 28 April 2007

I’m in spam.

27. outofwater - 28 April 2007

I couldn’t believe this TPM post so I checked:

The second story dealt with Republican family values. David Huckabee, Mike Huckabee’s son, was arrested at the airport in Little Rock with a loaded 40-caliber Glock in his carry-on luggage. I check my toothpaste before I fly, but he said he forgot about the loaded gun. It could have happened to anyone, right?

But there’s more, David’s name has been in the paper before. In 1998, while his father was serving as governor, David, then 17, was fired as a Boy Scout camp counselor. David and another Scout captured a stray dog, strung it up to a tree, slit it’s throat, and beat it until it was dead. The Boy Scout administrators said “little” David was fired because he violated the part of the Scout oath to “be kind.” These stories are available by Googeling “David Huckabee” +dog + “Boy Scout” and “David Huckabee” + “Little Rock” +airport. I can’t post multiple links here, they get zapped into spam or I would provide more specifics.

My next post has more:

28. outofwater - 28 April 2007

Fox’s take:

Nugent said David Huckabee had a .40-caliber Glock pistol in his black carry-on bag. Eight live rounds were in the gun — none in the chamber — and a nine-round clip was also in the bag. The weapon and ammunition were detained by Little Rock police while David Huckabee’s gun permit was seized and given to the Arkansas State Police.

Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said it is not unusual for people to forget they have a gun in their carry-on luggage.

Not unusual?

In 1998, David Huckabee was among two boys fired from a Boy Scout camp after a stray dog was killed after wandering onto camp property. David Huckabee, 17 at the time, said the dog appeared ill; no charges were filed. The elder Huckabee said then that politics was behind the dog-
killing accusation.

Elsewhere:

BOY SCOUTS KILL DOG!

ACTION NEEDED: DEMAND INVESTIGATION

(Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.

Arkansas State Police conducted a perfunctory investigation, but did not attempt to locate witnesses to the crime.

29. outofwater - 28 April 2007

Fox::

Nugent said David Huckabee had a .40-caliber Glock pistol in his black carry-on bag. Eight live rounds were in the gun — none in the chamber — and a nine-round clip was also in the bag. The weapon and ammunition were detained by Little Rock police while David Huckabee’s gun permit was seized and given to the Arkansas State Police.

Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said it is not unusual for people to forget they have a gun in their carry-on luggage.

Not unusual?

In 1998, David Huckabee was among two boys fired from a Boy Scout camp after a stray dog was killed after wandering onto camp property. David Huckabee, 17 at the time, said the dog appeared ill; no charges were filed. The elder Huckabee said then that politics was behind the dog-
killing accusation.

The next post finishes it. The spam filter doesn’t like too many links, I guess.

30. outofwater - 28 April 2007

Nope, the spam filter won’t let the story about the torture of the dog out.

31. marisacat - 28 April 2007

out of water…I got 3 out of Spam. SORRY!

If there are dupes will sort it out once all are in the thread.

32. missdevore - 28 April 2007

outofwater–it sure looks like it’s out of spam.

a happy impeachment day post at Je blague..

33. marisacat - 28 April 2007

wow. The REAL story of how the dog was killed is more than a little disturbing.

Huckabee is a classic case of the American Mask. God knows what is under that small town shuck and jive.

34. marisacat - 28 April 2007

Yeah I don’t care who Kucinich marries but it is the old pattern, slap the women around (lord it over people w/r/t abortion) but don’t inhibit the sacrosanct actions of the lord.

His “conversion” had to do making a national run, so I disbelieve it, no matter what. He still spouts the soft “Dorothy Day” version of Catholic Good Works. Very Marcy Kaptur style. And she is really hard core. No Stem Cell for her, no way… LOL. And no abortion.

If one listened to Biden’s answer in the debate about intact d&e and the SC, one would think he supports abortion. Understand the federal ban of a medical procedure and [cough strangle choke] cares… LOL

I have a link to a Hardball interview in whihc he dismisses it’s (abortion, at all) importance. “The Clean Air Act” is of greater importance. He laughed, even.

Notice how the SC ruled, clean air vs human life.

Biden plays the old political game of “either or”. Working a game to tell the electorate you “can’t have both”.

And of course you can, if the politicians cared.

35. marisacat - 28 April 2007

ugh… colleen I thought Woolsey and Barbara Lee were co chairs.

No really he should not be chair.

36. marisacat - 28 April 2007

I do believe here, presented as a PSA by Mcat from NYO/Jason Horowitz, is The Official Democratic Position on Iraq. One could call it the extended Democratic Hand Job (I find it very funny that the massage parlour HJ is being explained elsewhere)… Or a mean screw presented as the missionary position.

Schumer Re-Explains Reid

by Jason Horowitz

Published: April 27, 2007

Tags: Politics, Chuck Schumer

I followed up with Chuck Schumer this morning about his much-scrutinized defense of Harry Reid’s remarks last week that the war in Iraq “is lost.”

Schumer had said that Reid’s verdict was related only to the war as it is currently being prosecuted, and that the overall mission, if redefined, could be a success.

Today, Schumer was again careful to avoid repeating the Senate majority leader’s phrase, though he continued to agree with Reid’s bleak assessment.

“What Senator Reid,” Schumer started, before changing course. “If the war continues on its present course we cannot win,” he said. “If we change course we can make a success of this but it needs a change in course.”

When asked what would constitute success, Schumer said “We want to prevent terrorism emanating from Iraq and striking our country.

We are not going to solve the age old problems of Iraq which was created by the British for oil purposes. Nor is that our job or is that the mandate.”

[oh the fucked irony]

I asked if there was not some American responsibility to stay and help build a secure Iraqi given that it was an American invasion that unleashed the chaos.

“There is some,” said Schumer, who pointed out that the Iraq government was not doing enough to help rebuild the country. “But they are not doing that.”

I think that is American foreign policy in a nutshell.

Not very different from Bush, imo.

37. marisacat - 28 April 2007

LOL

Obama… very acceptable to the Editorial Page at the Wapo. Esp his awful speech in Chicago this week.

He musta bagged another Pioneer or two.

38. Sabrina Ballerina - 28 April 2007

Outofwater, that is a horrendous story about the dog killing. It is sickening. I thought there were laws about cruelty to animals? Not to mention that fact that it is a clear sign of mental disturbance.

As for his loaded gun, if it’s not unusual for people to ‘forget’ they are carrying loaded weapons on airplanes why the hysteria over nail files and perfume bottles etc.? We are living in an insane country.

I just finished reading back on Hookergate since I think that scandal is beginning to unfold finally, and it’s mind-boggling what was going on, at Homeland Security eg.

The irony and insanity of setting up a whole agency supposedly dedicated to security and then handing out a multi-million dollar contract to a felon with a long rap sheet (Shirlington Limo) to supposedly be available to safely transport top officials in the event of a terror attack, is beyond belief. Not to mention that his license was restricted twice in the recent past.

The characters involved in this scandal are shady, crooked, slimy, sleazebag crooks yet managed to operate in DC even before the Bush administration took over the government. Dusty Foggo, Nine Fingers, Porter Goss, Chertoff, Brent Wilkes, Wade, Cunningham and under suspicion, several members of Congress eg, Jerry Lewis, Doolittle and others, all had a scheme going on (and the war in Iraq was a bonanza for them all) that makes the Mafia look like amateurs.

Prostitutes, cigars, poker games, trips abroad where more sex, expensive food and entertainment was provided for these criminals with hard-earned tax-payer money, was par for the course, going back years it seems. And then there were the threats, actually death threats, against anyone who had reservations or questions about what was going on.

9/11, the War in Iraq and the so-called WOT, keeps them going – pays for a lifestyle that only royalty could dream of. And for so long because it goes all the way to the top of our government and into every government Dept., no one could stop it. It incenses me to think that those of us who objected to their wars and fabricated scare tactics were called traitors and that so many went along.

I keep thinking I’m beyond shock but that story about the dog, well, it’s just really disturbing because it makes you realize that this kid will one day be at the top of our government if things don’t change, because he is exactly the kind of person they want working for them. Maybe he is already. We are, without question, being ruled by insane men and women capable of murder (see the Gus Boulis trial eg) if it serves their purpose.

I’m going to the beach to get some air -

39. marisacat - 28 April 2007

katrina federal funds have been a bonanza as well. As recently as a few months ago, it was documented (NAACP, Facing South, Talk Left, and others), much federal cash went to INLAND MS and NONE to coastal victims.

Blatant, all of what has happened for years. and Democrats were where? In the cloakroom making deals.

40. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

Ugh. I hated Moon Pix. Everyone at this obscure art rag I used to do stuff for was going crazy for it the year it came out. It almost put me in a damn coma.

41. jam.fuse - 28 April 2007

Its horrible what happened to that poor dog, but sad to say animals are tortured by the millions horrendously every second in factory farms, I’d venture. And I am not a vegetarian anymore since embarking on a punishing regimen of chinese martial arts about ten years back; learning the alleged chi enhancing nutrition of beef tendons and such. I do try not to eat pork though, having met at least one intelligent, affectionate little piggy, at the legendary Frank Frazetta’s spread out in PA a few years ago.

42. outofwater - 28 April 2007

MC-Please clean up my mess.

Sorry

43. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

BTW, Mcat’s comment about Obama chasing after Bush Pioneers is another piece of the mystery to me. We want a candidate who “runs as if his life depended on it ?” But Obama’s actions are exactly what such candidates do. Everything is for sale and nothing is off-limits if it gives you a leg up on somebody. Then, as with the ability to finesse everything and boil it all down to sound bites (which may or may not bear any relation to the real issues at hand) we wonder why they turn out to be toadies and wind-twisters. When the need to be a toady and a wind-twister goes hand in hand with the very actions so many smart people equate with “viability.” So-called. (Seems to me that term should be shelved forever post-Kerry.) It makes no sense to me.

44. marisacat - 28 April 2007

Well you can run a broad based campaign talking aobut issues and going out to the electorate without chasing big money Bush supporters.

Frankly, I think that is clear.

Obama is a comfortable apologist, as tho slavery never existed in this country. It is a several decades old pattern of prefering the “foreign” black to the native black.

He’s a toady. Hillary wants to visibly piggy back off Bush (once a Goldwater Girl, etc., but mouths she supported MLK, what a laugh) and Edwards is – still – the barely middle of the road white Southern Christian welfare office Manager. “Ending poverty” is a business. And a schtick.

IMO, of course. None of that is running like your life depended on it and caring one whit about the people.. It is just old time sell outs. I don’t care the party or the political position. Same, across the board.

On the other hand, it is a real shame when an alternative candidate gets elected, as wu ming pointed out in the mayor of Davis and does not reach out to the full spectrum in the district (several comments a few threads back). Talk about no eyes on the prize.

Too much disconnect in the country and aided and abetted by a rigid political system.

45. missdevore - 28 April 2007

42-Mcat–you can borrow my vacuum cleaner.

speaking of appliances..I needed to iron this piece of canvas for my impeachment banner today, and looked under the sink, and found a completely new iron. It has been so long since I ironed that I completely forgot I purchased a new one. And it took me awhile to figure out how to get the ironing board down–it’s one of those you hang on the back of a door.

46. marisacat - 28 April 2007

LOL… well I am paring oow down to I think # 25 which I htink has everything.

Sorry about spam: I have tried to increase the number of links allowed (I have tried 8, 6 and, recently, 4) the system overrides me.

47. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Sabrina Ballerina – last thread awesome stuff on USA’s and Medicare Fraud. Medical Money is crucial to the facists in this country. We have a society that perpetuates illness physically and emotionally and have elites that feed off the misery. It can’t even be called a protection racket, really, because from top Docs to Administration in allegedly world class research institutions , they are all too willing to split the lucre.

While not precisely a Medicare Issue tough there is plenty of insurance fraud involved, Reconstructive Plastic surgery is a classic example with whats happening in our fucked up society.It’s much greater than strictly a medical issue. The yuppo-matics who enter med school and eventually get coveted slots in plastics fellowships are quickly out the door in the endless quest for money and the perfect breast. ..and I’m not talking about post mastectomy revision, or truly patient initiated/ patient centered requests for help. Surgicenter marketeers are promoting this “keep up with the Smith’s” approach, preying on the body image vulnerabilities of the youngest of females. It’s all ultimately about penile augmentation and ass enhancement for these characters and the wallets one packs on the backside. Meanwhile we have wholly underserviced populations here in the states for services.

reaching for barf bag:

Meanwhile in the Near East, the Subcontinents, there is a particular dearth of facial reconstructive services despite the morbid but not uncommon practice by men of slashing and acid disfigurements of women in the name of male honor.

We need to nationalize Health Care. The only way I see that happening is driving a wedge between small to mid sized business interests and the vulturous medical goombata. I’m not holding my breath and would refuse the oxygen anyways — as I’m still willing to shell out for my fix now and then of the occasional cigar. I know – sorry it’s my only vice, but I think it’s my only bad choice in putting my money where my mouth is.

Not all bad some say?. Granted. There is still a smidgeon of principled rogues practicing, trying their best to practice what might have been an enlightened monastic life. On the business side, there is the example of the Stryker Medical fortune heirs who have plowed tons of money in fighting the fundies in Colorado, grandson John is bankrolling gay Marriage initiatives.

It’s all still a drop in the bucket. A bucket that is ultimately filled with blood.

48. Thom - 28 April 2007

Hey – thanks for the link. I hope to post the questions and responses from Lipari today sometime – but I’m busy and and busier. Tomorrow at the latest.

Thanks again. And nice place you’ve got here.
LT

49. marisacat - 28 April 2007

yeah the Strykers are quite a family. The dark secret, that Dems decline to tell as much as Republicans, there is enormous money made in the Federal and state subsidies for medical care. For nursing home care.

But we force a division of welfare / not welfare. the State, the over riding push from above, is to maintain that division.

We can and should expand Medicare, merge Medicaid and the various state versions (TENNCare was veyr good til Bredesen slashed it, at the same time the MS R governor slashed Medicaid in MS) eliminate the division of welfare vs other care, expand to 0 – 18 immediately, also immediate for catastrophic care and keep expanding.

They won’t do it.

50. marisacat - 28 April 2007

I am catching up slowly. Went over to Je blague and saw this, back a few days. Just amazing.

51. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

A TOTAL FUCKING MESS.

The “po’ mouth” line about Health Care and Money is such bullshit.
It is the cell saver, the blood recycler that redistributes wealth to the same set of folks when the other sectors of the economy go cold.

We can land on the moon, transplant organs limbs, something as delicate as the human hand, ….can’t we create a society that prevents the cycle of gross wealth and privilege accumulation followed by “throw a bone” philanthropy?

52. marisacat - 28 April 2007

Thom

thanks for stopping by.. and thanks to Sabrina for linking back to your site and the unfolding drama.
;)

53. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

Well, BHHM, my theory is that the main reason –beyond the dollars– behind our current system is that it’s an ingeneous form of class stratification. Hell, let’s just say imprisonment. How many people stay in jobs or living situations they detest because it’s the only way they can keep even the plywood armor that passes for “covered” these days.

My local experience showed me that Labor (at least at the state level and upward) cynically buys into it as well. They, too, want the pigeons to stay where they are and not fly too far afield, which only proves that the DP’s general air of short-sighted bottom feeding has gotten in their blood as well.

Assholes. May they all get what’s coming to them while I’m still alive to see it.

54. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

On a related note, the asshole who was railing last month at fat people for “ruining” the medical system on PDX Indy was back again yesterday. Only this time, s/he added smokers and drug users to the hate list as well.

Join us two weeks from now. Perhaps those who ruin their health with eating disorders, coal mining and falling off mountains on hikes will also make the list.

Celebrate diversity, I always say.

55. marisacat - 28 April 2007

well unions have wanted to keep health care a worker tied benefit. For their negotiating.

hard to underestimate the capacity for humans to sell out one another.

The ONLY reason we hear from fake burbles now, NOW is that increasingly business wants OUT of providing benefits.

but all the plans allowed to advance are sops to the insurance scams.

And god knows the Movement BlogShotosphere says NOTHING about nationalised single payer health care.

LOL Jerk those poodle chains… ;)

56. marisacat - 28 April 2007

people like that decline to discuss large particle pollution. And other things…

It is always ingestion, or a habit of choice, etc.

I still say what I have said for decades, Clean up the Rio Grande river and I will listen about blaming the population. Get high fructose and corn syrup out of the food production (it’s in everything!) and I will listen about blaming the population.

It’s a scam.

57. Thom - 28 April 2007

My pleasure. Q & A with Lipari is up. Let me know what glaringly pbvious questions I missed if you’re so inclined.

58. marisacat - 28 April 2007

here is the link to the Little Thom’s Blog interview with Lipari.

59. colleen - 28 April 2007

that is a horrendous story about the dog killing. It is sickening. I thought there were laws about cruelty to animals?

All the ones I can think of are state laws.

Not to mention that fact that it is a clear sign of mental disturbance.

Cruelty to animals is a serious manifestation of psychopathology. The links have been well established for at least 40 years.
This should have been a HUGE red flag to the State and to his parents.

60. marisacat - 28 April 2007

I realise dead is dead… but it seems to me the cover story is a seemingly ill, stray dog that the enterprising scouts shot. Inappropriate and troubling and merits a close look (and obviusly a cover story) but a far cry from:

And instead it is a highly personalised, time extended (in it for the blood and the death of something living) killing AND they caught the dog. Strung it up, slit it’s throat and then beat it to death.

I feel pretty sure they will or have escalated.

61. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Hey ms xeno! You nail it. The class strata is the universal recipient, perpetuating itself with blood and money from all “donors”, if you will. Every one of the (now quaintly termed) “Professions” are now slaves to the Corporate Dauphins of Defense, Oil, Finance, Consumer Poisons, etc.

The DP is a beneficiary of SEIU’s push to organize “nurses” and other health care workers. You know what? It’s not going to do shit for “nurses” . The reason I italicize “nurses” is that anyone who is honest in health care will tell you, the very term ” Nurse” invokes “maid”.

Until the AMA has a stake driven through its heart, nurses will be perform most of the tasks supposed to be done by doctors and be paid shit to do it. I would suggest a National health care service with three major classifications of workers Physicians, Surgeons, and Technicians.

Medical MD’s are vey touchy about their status, are intimidated by surgeons, referring to them variously as Plumbers, Carpenters or Upholsterers. Surgeons, in turn, refer to medical practitioners as “fleas” — the first on a case and the last to leave.

We could build substantially more medical schools, and train “Physicians” that would merge and supplant nursing and diagnostic Medicine. Surgeons would continue sewing, Technicians would be recruited in requisite numbers and trained beyond the level of “push a button”. Reclassify job tasks, redefine wage scales, and most importantly of all cap disparity between the income levels between the top and the bottom.

Regarding Surgeons, frankly the length of training is entirely too long, perpetuating an indentured servitude, followed in most cases by a sense of entitlement that never entirely dissipates burn me at the stake, but if an aspiring young surgeon can’t get the hang of it within seven years of total training, there’s always Law School.

The problem is not division of labor itself, it’s who controls it. Outrageously involved barriers to medical education, the province of monopolistic licensure, further featherbedding regarding house priveliges in regional health systems, THEY All still lead to division of labor with most of the work being down by exploited staff. It all leads to poor distribution of the health care provided, the quality of which is diminished as well.

Division of labor is as much a fact of health care as it is in a factory. That said, let it serve the many rather than the few.

In such a National Health Care scheme, it would allow ambitious clinicians to build their careers like miltary careerists looking for “the action” -really put some money and muscle serving communities in crisis. The only perks and prestige granted would come from serving the national interest.

I could on, but now I need a cigar.

62. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Sorry for the Large Particle pollution, Mcat.

63. marisacat - 28 April 2007

Stern SEIU is way too comfortable iwth the NDN Rosenberg nook.

A real shame, it seemed in 2002 – 04 that there might be something, someone there. Clear the last years, same old same old.

64. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Agreed. Any union who gets national leverage on Health Care could ultimately make old man Hoffa’s Teamsters look like a bunch of tiddlywinkers. (The Boy Scout analogy now forever lost to the general lexicon).

On a lighter note, mcat

Miss D:

Bones of Prehistoric Camel Found at Wal Mart Site.

ancestors of BHHM found nearby?

65. Marie - 28 April 2007

Except for Obama, who might have matured into an interesting pol in a decade or so, I can’t stand any of them. At least in the past there was usually someone that I could support — not that they got the nomination. Not this time.

66. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Maybe the Camel WAS my ancestor

67. earth to meg - 28 April 2007

I do think market based health care is a class issue in the U.S. There is no way they want to improve the quality of life for the poor and working classes. No way. Nationalized health care represents a step towards more equality, higher standard of living for all. They don’t want to go there. Better for them that thousands, if not millions, of folks have to choose between taking their kid to the doctor and paying the rent.

I wouldn’t want any stipulations in nationalized health care. Anybody – anybody – who is on American soil for any reason deserves health care for free. Whatever they need. Citizens, not citizens, visitors, travelers, students, undocumented, documented – who cares? No stipulations about “these people” or “those people” – I hate that divisive shit, it’s being done in California with undocumented workers and the like.

68. marisacat - 28 April 2007

I wouldn’t want any stipulations in nationalized health care. Anybody – anybody – who is on American soil for any reason deserves health care for free. – earth to meg

Bingo. The UK does it. I am usure the current status for health care for non resident in France Germany Italy etc.

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

healthcare is a human rights issue, period.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

Remember when the right went nuts over Rosie saying that Building Seven at the Trade Center was purposely brought down?

Well, John Kerry just said so too:

At a recent speaking engagement in Austin Texas, Senator John Kerry responded to a question about WTC Building 7 by concluding that according to his information, the building was brought down as a result of a controlled demolition, directly contradicting the official line that the structure fell as a result of fire and debris damage.

WTC Building 7 was a 47-story building in the WTC complex that collapsed at 5:20pm on September 11. The building had been structurally reinforced and was not hit by a plane yet collapsed in a uniform implosion within its own footprint in a matter of seconds after sustaining relatively light debris and fire damage following the collapse of the twin towers.

News networks like BBC and CNN were reporting that the building had collapsed before it fell, indicating that the media were being handed a script of events that had yet to even unfold.

Ground zero EMT’s, firefighters and police were all told hours in advance to clear a collapse zone for Building 7 as it was going to be “brought down.”

Questioned on WTC 7 by members of Austin 9/11 Truth Now at a Book People event in Austin Texas, Kerry responded, “I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things, that they did it in a controlled fashion.”

So, once again, is a Democrat cognizant of info that our gov’t lied to us about, only to finally reveal it when they feel safe to do so. Again, if the Senator knew this when it happened, WHY DIDN’T HE SAY ANYTHING?

They sanction lies over and over.

71. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

My SEIU redux and the split within the Labor Movement

SEIU by far is the best of Big Labor. Of course, you can go down the smartest chimp in the zoo award path, there. You are absolutely correct regarding the rest of Big Labor’s dullardry towards nationalizing Health Care.

It is the industrial and craft unions who oppose healthcare unionization in regional heath systems that are killing SEIU present action– For a number of reasons. Regional manufacturing transport and municipal services unions are scared off by health systems who put out the word to their customer’s bargaining units [ at the plan,t the trucking co, the local government etc.,] that if they stand with SEUI, their premiums will go up, affecting contract negotiations.

Then there is the competitiveness factor amongst unions themselves regarding who can organize on the same Health Care Turf. They sell out for a few bargaining unit perks in the Hospital Basement, until Management kills them off later. They leave the Doctors and Nurses alone. Labor is selling each other down the river, to the port, up the crane, then on the boat.At leeast the medical Center Cops are unionized that are posted outside an O.R. door after a drive by shooting.

I have to hand it to Stern in the sense that if you are going to go for the brass ring, organize health care. The temptations and inducements that surely come out of the woodwork to coopt SEIU actions are undoubtedly powerful… But if they got to critical mass in health systems nationwide, not just State Institutions that are relatively easy pickens , nor in welcome wagon parts of the country, SEIU and Big Labor would be on a “put through all calls” list at the White House once again. Of course, the question of whether they would truly serve the workers would remain to be seen. If Labor could purge their own deadwood, resolve their own turf battles, and not settle for merely protecting paltry legacy unions in consolidated health systems, Organized Labor in Health Care could bring this nation to its feet rather than letting so many of us die on our knees.

72. marisacat - 28 April 2007

I think organised labor is too marginalised. And while they made some murmurings around 2003, 04 and into 05, they just cave to the Democrats. They appeared angry over CAFTA vote, but then lined up to help for instance Melissa Bean.

I don’t expect much. The day of industry manufacturing, even service industries are passing. So unions are just m arginalised. And Stern to me looks weak. Pretty sure he was on e of the “unions” that advised CNA to cave into Arnold several years ago. Instead they pushed and he dropped 20 pts in the polls.

LOL Just so Democrats out here could support him and get him re-elected.

You can’t win for losing. Or the reverse.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

This piece made me smile …

Islamic street preachers

From Boston to Lahore and beyond, the tentacles of taqwacore – aka Islamic punk rock – are spreading. And it’s giving disenfranchised young Muslims a voice, says Riazat Butt

Saturday April 28, 2007
The Guardian

There can’t be that many female playwrights who are deaf, punk and Muslim, so Sabina England is something of a find. With a lurid Mohawk and leather jacket slathered with slogans, she looks every inch the rebel and has an attitude to match.

Sabina, who says she lives in the “shitty midwest of the United States” or the “HELL-HOLE OF BOREDOM AND YUPPIES”, is part of a subculture that, until a few years ago, existed only on paper.

Nothing fills my heart with gladness more than kids saying “fuck you” to restrictive religion and culture.

74. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Hats off to Earth to Meg and Madman

75. marisacat - 28 April 2007

Someone just popped me this

so much of this about. Basically she whines. And posits that ONLY Democrats can save us. Fortunately I never cared for her.. I cringed whenever she showed up. Very much like Eleanor Smeal and a few others…

Still cringing.

76. marisacat - 28 April 2007

LOVE the Kerry thing. Was ti Counterpunch that lectured thw WHOLE of the left (wrong, all sorts of people questioned the collapse of WTC 7) for questioning …

Geeesh.

77. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Amazing isn’t it, Mcat?

The day of industry manufacturing, even service industries are passing.

The commoditization cycle of our society accelerates and now bullshit, our media, is the last remaining valuable coin of the realm.

78. marisacat - 28 April 2007

media and politics. sad to say. And media will ensure we never have sane public financed elections. Ever.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007
80. BooHooHooMan - 28 April 2007

Speaking of a society sustained by bullshit…

I hope kos’ archives aren’t the nations breadbasket of the future.

This evening’s Meal? A hefty serving of Delaware Dumbass followed by a vintage Armando circa 2006.. Your servers? Waitress Maryscott OConnor who will be lighting herself on fire… At the buffet, Meteor Blades will be at the carving station, Hunter will be working the Ice Cream Machine, and in the private dining room, Mcjoan and Elise will be serving up–you guessed it – THEMSELVES. Martin the “Philly Boy Booman” will be busin’ tables, diswashers Chris Bowers & Matt Stoller will be lickin plates clean….

Ah, the vanguard of the nation’s progressives.The wave of the future.

81. missdevore - 28 April 2007

camels in arizona??–oh that’s right, shortly after Noah cruised the Grand Canyon……

llama,llama,llama. as they say.

damn, I had such a nice day. went to the local open studios, saw some friends, bought 2 small works–because I couldn’t decide between the 2. When I set them together at someone’s suggestion, it only made it worse–they were a perfect pair. Visited with brother & SIL, got slobberated by their pug.

Then went to Safeway and got fixin’s for a pomegranate martini.(Very hot here–finally got to turn window a/c unit on after dog baked in the sun on the porch.)

Impeach banner is still up–landlord was here today, but said nothing. Started wondering if it just looked like part of the scene–it’s on the porch of an ivory-colored stucco building with terracotta roof tiles–the banner is on yellowed canvas in cadmium red. Perhaps a subliminal effect!

82. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

“Whiner” is too polite for Pollitt or anyone else in La Nation’‘s veal pen to stay.

Cockburn had their number in ’04, I’m convinced. They are as much obsessed with treats and strokes as the most slavish of DP in-house bloggers. The lot of them can kiss my fat Crank ass.

Frankly, you all are too smart for me. Thom, BHHM, SB, etc. I am giving up blogging anything but pictures and the occasional obnoxious music rant forever. The competition around here is just too good.

83. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

And all this reminds me: I know my job is precarious without a Union, and that there are a lot of treats and strokes that went when I left the public sector. I did learn a lot being there for five-odd years, however. It’s just too bad that a lot of what I learned I’d be happier forgetting all about.
:/

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

Orcinus, writing about a man beat to death by some thugs merely because they thought he was gay:

As Melissa emphasizes:

This shit doesn’t happen in a void.

Indeed it doesn’t. It’s happening in a context in which the leading figures of the religious right, empowered and seconded by movement conservatives, are constantly proclaiming that laws against hate crimes are a form of discrimination against their religious beliefs.

If you roll this argument around long enough, its underlying message comes down to this: Jesus wants you to bash fags. It becomes a form of permission — permission transmitted to the people most likely to act on the suggestion.

Hate-crime laws are never about hate speech per se. They are only about acts that are already crimes. Now, certain acts of speech — particularly threats and intimidation — are the subject of criminal sanction already in the law, so if these crimes are committed with a racial, religious, or gay-bashing motive, then it is possible for some speech to be considered a hate crime.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

gonna head out to see Robbie Fulks … hopefully I’m not going to kick myself for not buying tickets ahead of time.

check ya’ later!

86. marisacat - 28 April 2007

I still don’t like “hate crime” too close to “thought crime”.

I jsut don’t understand why it cannot be within the realm of “with special circumstances” rather like cop killing.

And bringing killing people for race, sexual orientation, perceived orientation for how a person “looks” ie cross dressers and so on, why all of that cannot be under a “civil rights” special circumstance.

87. wu ming - 28 April 2007

the distinction is useful b/c hate or identity crimes are targeted not just at the individual that gets attacked, but also symbolically at a community. in a sense, it’s an added assault to a battery case. ie. terrorism, if that term wasn’t pounded beyond meaning.

88. marisacat - 28 April 2007

well infringing on civil rights is inherently against a group, as symbolised by a single person.

89. Miss Devore - 28 April 2007

vipeout–where is everybody? enjoying spring nights?

I’m just about to coil up in my overstuffed den and finish the small Helen Thomas book and then go on to Bernard-Henri Levy’s “American Vertigo”. Can’t find the novel about the Tourettes narrator from Brooklyn. Might be excavated under housecleaning-as-archeology tomorrow.

but I’m around if anyone wants to talk.

90. marisacat - 28 April 2007

Caught up on your site today… loved all the pieces plus the new one. But I linked up thread to the Boris Yeltsin one. The writing WITH the photos was stellar.

91. missdevore - 28 April 2007

did give myself a feather for finding that boa pic at some Australian academic site.

92. marisacat - 28 April 2007

The boa pic was amazing. Loved the chihuahua and the cabana boy too… ;)

93. missdevore - 28 April 2007

I did have to post The Model in complete nudity. She was a bit miffed about her mistaken identity as a pig.

94. missdevore - 28 April 2007

from rawstory:

“Protesters demand impeachment as President Bush speaks at Miami-Dade College
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Saturday April 28, 2007

Miami – Hundreds of protesters gathered at the Kendell Miami-Dade College campus where President George W. Bush spoke on Saturday afternoon. Roughly 200 protesters were clustered near temporary fences and an estimated 600 altogether spent the better part of the afternoon marching and holding signs alongside a main road near the college campus.

The protesters were commemorating “National Impeachment Day” with a peaceful march while Miami police looked on. The president was escorted in and out of the campus through an entrance on the far side of the campus, where he could not see the protests. Two pro-Bush supporters rode their bicycles in front of the protesters screaming “Commies,” but by and large, the rally drew few administration supporters.”

95. marisacat - 28 April 2007

somebody tell nancy…

LOL

96. missdevore - 28 April 2007

hey–I was reading Allen Smithee today and he seems to have vacated his invisible blog.

And of, course, my comments still won’t post on SMBIVA.

what’s a girl to do?

97. marisacat - 28 April 2007

last I saw, Alan was on haitus to think about blogging. Has there been a update?

My mistake at Stop me was I thought their Hillary thing was a JOKE. Then I found out it was real, you really DO have to fill in her name.

LOL. I left a comment a few days ago and meant to check back to see if it “took” then forgot to round back by there.

SO many blogs… ;)

98. Sabrina Ballerina - 28 April 2007

Might be excavated under housecleaning-as-archeology tomorrow. Miss Devore

Lol – ‘everybody ought to have a maid’ – I think that song if from Monty Python.

********

On a related note, the asshole who was railing last month at fat people for “ruining” the medical system on PDX Indy was back again yesterday. Only this time, s/he added smokers and drug users to the hate list as well. Ms xeno

This must be one of those people who have no vices and who plans on living forever without ever seeing a doctor.

Btw, ms xeno. you better NOT mean it about not blogging anymore. I absolutely love your posts – and besides, we have a party to start (well two parties, the political kind of course, and I hope you’re planning to attend the summer fun pre-Yrly Vag party here on the fabulous east end of LI where all attendees may indulge in whatever their particular vice may be.

I’m hoping to persuade Lucid to provide live music, and if we can find a benefactor with a private jet (actually I have a friend who flies a private jet for some obscenely wealthy individual, I just remembered) maybe it can pick up all West Coast Vags and others who live in various parts of the country, eg Tuston, BHHM et al! Canadians, like Catnip might have to get across the border before we can pick them up.

It won’t be all fun and games of course, we do have serious business to attend to – (snicker) – our country needs us. But a little fun in the sun shouldn’t interfere with our work! So stop that nonsense about not blogging anymore – you’re making me nervous, ms xeno! And I’m NOT smart! I’m a complete air-head at time and had George Bush and his band of criminals not exposed the rot that is our government, I would still be airily going about the business of just having a good time. I’ll never forgive him for that

99. missdevore - 28 April 2007

what Sabrina said-ms_xeno, catnip, Alan Smithee–never stop your blogs. Lots of us met at Mcat, but that doesn’t mean any VAGs or NABs should fold.

besides–I want to go womano a womano with ms_x on some collage thangs.

100. Sabrina Ballerina - 28 April 2007

Wow, Thom, thank you for stopping by and thanks to Marisacat for the link to the interview with Mr. Lipari. I just skimmed it and have to go back and read it again. There is a lot to absorb –

You did a great job of covering that story and kudos to Mr. Lipari for his willingness to answer your excellent questions.

And look at the great discussion your story sparked here re the Healthcare system. Bhhm great posts and everyone else. I know very little about it, but am learning fast.

Hey, Miss Devore, congrats on your Impeachment banner – I have to catch up on how it all went today, re Impeachment.

Off to read Thom’s interview with Samuel Lipari again – bbl.

101. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

Oh, all right, S.B. Anything for a comped or tax-deductable trip to LI. If I bring my harmonica, some hardtack and a canteen of potable water, we can hop on the LIRR and *really* make me relive one of the more colorless yet poignant (or is it the other way around) episodes of my lost youth.

My only major vice these days is refined sugar. I bet if I gave up coffee, the sugar would go, too. Much as smokers often can’t quit for good until they forgo their ritual morning coffee. One habit hinging on another. But fuck it. Who wants to give up coffee ? [scowl]

Oh, and new collage up. Probably will not impress anyone’s pastor or whichever Virtuecrat whose campaign they might be pseudonymously blogging for this month. So don’t click, unless you’re really really bored…

Good night, my beloved malcontents.

102. ms_xeno - 28 April 2007

Oh, and MissD: swivel knives, moldering back issues of LHJ and polymer-based guck at twenty paces. This could be the reality show that puts all others to shame…

103. missdevore - 28 April 2007

ms-xeno–I love your work. tis the wickedly simplistic 50’s and 60’s that keep giving us hangovers.

104. missdevore - 28 April 2007

LHJ did contribute some towards modern American domestic architecture. As did Sunset on the west coast.Clifford May, etc.

105. Sabrina Ballerina - 28 April 2007

Rotfl, ms xeno, imo you are priceless – and so is everyone else here. Same message to Alan Smithee, the man is a genius and will go down in blogtotopia (yes, I know, Skippy coined that phrase) history for his ‘Banned by Daily Kos’ decals or whatever they are. Btw, they would make a good product to sell in our Big Tent Boutique.

A harmonica would be great. We can make a campfire and sing and get drunk or whatever. And I will never give up coffee either. I’ll stack up on refined sugar.

I noticed on Thom’s blog he has this as a banner:

Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. Its round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you’ve got about a hundred years here. There’s only one rule that I know of, babies–: God damn it, you’ve got to be kind.” —Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater

See? Life is short, at the outside as K.Vonnegut says, we have only 100 years. Why not enjoy them once in a while? Since we all die in the end anyway no matter what we do! :-)

106. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007

Robbie Fulks was great.

Life blesses us w/ artists … I’m glad that somewhere along the way I learned to appreciate them.

Oh, and now some Freddie Mercury that I recorded on Logo while I was out. This straight white suburban boy learned that it was okay to NOT fit in listening to Queen. I’m not much for celebrity, but I cried when Freddie died.

107. missdevore - 28 April 2007

life is short.

and so am I.

108. Sabrina Ballerina - 28 April 2007

Oh, all right, S.B. Anything for a comped or tax-deductable trip to LI.

Oooh, we could form a ‘pack’ – well, a ‘pac’ would be better for tax-deduction purposes – lol! Now definitely off to read Thom’s email exchange with Samuel Lipari -

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 April 2007
110. Sabrina Ballerina - 28 April 2007

Okay, one more thing, well two now that I read Mitm’s post. Glad you got in and had a good time, Mitm – I’m not familiar with Robbie Fulks though.

I meant to say that Bhhm’s latest tableau of the fading stars (and wannabe stars) of Daily Kos was hillarious as usual. They are waning, for sure. WE are the future of the blogosphere! The zzzzz listers, the banned, the Independents, the malcontents! They blew it when they cast off the real stars of the blogosphere in favor of the mediocre, the sychophants, the sucker-uppers!

And Miss D, there are ‘good goods in small packages’ btw – now back to work, again.

111. marisacat - 28 April 2007

LOL someone just popped me this.

Speaking of fading stars and table service in questionable restaurants (a la BHHM)

112. Kevin Lynch - 29 April 2007

I’ll get back to blogging eventually. Lost my inspiration due to several factors, including silly ones like getting dumped by a tender flower (who wore hobnail boots while dancing on my emotions). Depression sux, and I guess only about three VAGs read the thing anyway. Be prepared for a Slice o’ Life topic where my misplaced trust in the female half of the species, at least the part that of which I’m attracted to, is discussed. Please try to look kindly upon my stupidity.

Saw a piece on ABC online about the Danes being the happiest people in the world. Had to do with their less competitive nature and lowered expectations. Eat your salt cod and be happy it’s on your plate! My kind of people

Kevin

113. Revisionist - 29 April 2007

I saw some coverage last month on a few news sites about Kos banning some internationaly famous author because of that rule. Of course it was really about the author upsetting the AIPAC overlords and not really about copyright.

114. Revisionist - 29 April 2007

LOL!!!!

It its so f’ing inmportant to Kos trhat there be no copyright viloations why didnt they edit the stupid diary instead of leaving it stand for days waiting for MSOC to get around to it.

115. marisacat - 29 April 2007

they deserve each other. Sorry to be blunt. Maybe the use he got out of her wore out.

116. Ezekiel - 29 April 2007

Re: health care.

Here’s how it’s done in Croatia, a country with a per capita income of $13,000.

Everyone is covered under the national health plan. If you’re working, you pay into the system depending upon your income, but for everyone, it’s around 50 Euros a month. If you’re unemployed or retired, it costs nothing.

For us immigrants, the same rule applies, except that we each must pay 50 Euros a month. It’s part of the process of obtaining residency: you register and they bill you. If you’re employed, the company pays.

What’s covered? Doctor visits, major medical, dental and prescriptions. They even pay partial on eyeglasses (not contacts) and orthodontic work. There are occasionally some small co-pays. My spouse requires a regular test that costs $400 back in the States and always fell in our deductible. Here, there’s a co-pay of 7 Euros.

What’s the quality of the care? The medical professionals are well-trained, and most speak English. They have up-to-date equipment (the machine used for my spouse’s test is more advanced than what was used in the U. S.). The hospital where we live is out of the 1950’s though. It’s very clean, but the wards are large with no privacy. But construction is about to start on a new hospital.

My spouse’s care has been better. The doctor has done a much better job explaining her illness and the effects of her medication. A British friend of ours had a stroke here, and the quality of the care was good, but he did find the communication issues to be frustrating with such a serious illness.

But single payer health care can be done, and it need not bankrupt the nation.

117. Ezekiel - 29 April 2007

BTW, talking about national health and economic fairness, look at the Gini coefficients of countries, and then consider which ones have national health care. Croatia is not nearly as rich as Germany or Finland, but it has about the same Gini co (29). The U. S. number (41) puts it in same ballpark with developing countries in South America, Africa and Asia.

118. marisacat - 29 April 2007

New Thread:

YUM!


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