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1. marisacat - 7 May 2007

Doug Ireland at his blog Direland has a post up on Sarkozy…

[S]arko’s speech tonight had accents of Petain, when he declared that his election represented “a break with the past,” and that he intended “to rehabilitate work, authority, morality, respect and merit.”

Another odious moment in Sarkozy’s victory peroration came when he proclaimed that France would no longer be a country of “repenting” — this was a dig at Chirac, who was the first French president to apologize for the crimes committed by the Vichy French state against Jews under the Nazi occupation, and who’d sent an ambassador to apologize to the Algerians for the French massacre of thousands of civilians in the city of Setif that had triggered the bloody war for Algerian independence from France’s colonial rule.

It was an ugly moment in Sarko’s frightening speech, and a bow to Le Pen’s notorious anti-Semitism, and Sarko’s “break with the past” means a closing of the books on the most unsavory parts of France’s recent history. [snip]

I noticed that Bibi Netanyahu has a personal congratulatory piece up in Ynet News, Sarko is a friend of his.

2. jam.fuse - 7 May 2007

No More Songs

Hello, hello, hello
Is there anybody home?
I’ve only called to say
I’m sorry
The drums are in the dawn
and all the voices gone
And it seems that there are no more songs

Once I knew a girl
She was a flower in a flame
I loved her as the sea sings sadly
Now the ashes of the dream
Can be found in the magazines
And it seems that there are no more songs

Once I knew a saint
who sang upon the stage
He told about the world
His lover
A ghost without a name
Stands ragged in the rain
And it seems that there are no more songs

The rebels they were here
They came beside the door
They told me that the moon was bleeding
Then all to my suprise
They took away my eyes
And it seems that there are no more songs

A star is in the sky
It’s time to say goodbye
A whale is on the beach
He’s dying
A white flag in my hand
And a white bone in the sand
And it seems that there are no more songs

Hello, hello, hello
Is there anybody home?
I’ve only called to say
I’m sorry
The drums are in the dawn
and all the voices gone
And it seems that there are no more songs

It seems that there are no more songs
It seems that there are no more songs

Here’s to you Phil Ochs where ever you are

3. NYCee - 7 May 2007

I watched a lot of french election coverage yesterday on cspan and cnn international. The latter did about 3 to 4 hours straight on it.

In one clip the host misquoted Lugar as saying, in approval of the Sarkozy triumph, it’s nice to think there will be a change in the typical “knee jerk reaction” against the US.

No, not Lugar. Saw the actual clip of the two opining from Sunday shows. It was Schumer who said it.

Figures. Sarkozy will cozy up to Israel more. Flowers and sweets from Chuck, express delivery. Card sealed with a kiss.

Someone, a “political commenter” in the gaggle assembled by CNN, said, and I thought jokingly, but then not, that there is going to be a street in Ramallah named after Chirac.

Interesting, there was this TP promoted by Sarkozy supporters (along with the one about a “friendlier to America France) by Sarkozy, that now America can be “clear” on where France stands. I thought it was pretty clear on Iraq under Chirac. It is a stupid idea. We arent playing and you shouldnt either. What’s not to understand about that? I also recall it being expressed in the most diplomatique of ways, by both Villepin and Chirac, at the time, esp considering the extreme depth and breadth of the stupidity about to be committed by our power-drunk leaders and their enablers.

Unclear and unfriendly? Ah yes, if you say so, it is so and so it is.

4. NYCee - 7 May 2007

Sarkozy says disgrace is not in his vocabulary. Your post #1 reminds me of this.

5. NYCee - 7 May 2007

Havent been here to comment since the Republican debate. Just have to express/expell/emote, before running off – what a fucking scary bunch!

Jesus Christ. You know when you first wake up, pre coffee, how you have these fragments of disjointed images/thoughts floating thru your head (I do post coffee as well!) – One such image, this AM, was the image of the three hands (Huckabee, Brownback, Tancredo) raised in response to the question, coming back to haunt me.

Who doesnt believe in evolution?

Motherfucking scary, that bunch. (Especially when you realize the others were probably sweating it a little, as they kept their hands at their sides)

Yeah, the French should be more like us.

6. NYCee - 7 May 2007

I still havent had my coffee fill. Off to do that, and then Im off. Hope you can read me, fragments and all. Later. :-)

7. outofwater - 7 May 2007

What’s up with DK and the AG scandal? The scandal is five months old and there are finally some diaries about it. So many other sources are covering it well that what the Kossaks are coming up with is lame for the most part.

ABC is on the tube, the big story is preparations for the Queen’s visit to the WH. They cut to a live shot of Pickles Bush. She has had so much plastic surgery that she is barely recognizable, it’s creepy. Now they’re on to Paris’s trip to jail.

8. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

meanwhile cheney sneaks off to the Mideast..

9. outofwater - 7 May 2007

With sneak as the operative word.

Cheney embarks on Middle East tour tomorrow

Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia recently refused to meet with Maliki because, according to a Riyadh-based Arab diplomat, the monarch believes the prime minister has “entrenched” the deadly Shi’ite-Sunni sectarian conflict in Iraq.

Asked whether Cheney would address such tensions during his trip, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters: “I think that I’ll let the vice president and the Saudis have their conversations privately.”

Things must be quite serious if their sending him, particularly considering his recent health concerns. One of the reasons he doesn’t travel much is the precarious state of his ticker. Last time he took a major trip he came back with blood clots in his legs, and that was a short time ago. Some countries have Secretaries of State to conduct diplomacy, maybe the US should look into that.

It has been quite some time since I watched commercial “news” it’s off the charts worse than I even imagined. Local news interrupts the national drivel with actual stories, but since the Laura Bush story, this am the coverage has been almost exclusively on the anchor’s search for a dress for the State Dinner. To make matters worse, after all that, she selected one that makes her look washed out.

10. ms_xeno - 7 May 2007

Pam Spaulding’s complaints about Log Cabin Republicans sound a lot like my complaints about Feminist Democrats. Stockholm Syndrome runs amuck in the hearts of the wealthy, White, and compulsively clueless !! :p

11. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

snakes in the email–cool article in nytimes on 3D printers:

http://tinyurl.com/2qqu44

12. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

condi pie:

“Impeccably dressed, in a lemon-meringue-colored wool suit, she settled into a corner of a creamy white settee and pointed me toward a chair.’

from an article in the June Atlantic that I couldn’t finish cuz I don’t subscribe.

13. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Outofwater – you should know by now that it’s all about the dress.

14. liberalcatnip - 7 May 2007

#10. I’m all for 3d printers if they’ll pop out Gumby.

Some countries have Secretaries of State to conduct diplomacy, maybe the US should look into that.

Well, first they’d have to look up “diplomacy” in the dictionary. It’s in there somewhere between “bribes” and “threats”.

15. marisacat - 7 May 2007

Just got some

jam.fuse

poesie out of Spam… so it is upthread somewhere…
;)

16. liberalcatnip - 7 May 2007

Via the WaPo:

“The American people are proud to welcome Your Majesty back to the United States, a nation you’ve come to know very well,” Bush said. “After all, you’ve dined with 10 U.S. presidents. You helped our nation celebrate its bicentennial in 17 — in 1976.”

As the audience laughed, Bush paused and glanced at the queen, then ad-libbed, “She gave me a look that only a mother could give a child.”

17. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

Blood Stained White Ties Tonight

Utter Media Chaff.

18. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Correction of last nights post. The doc was on Sundance and it was called Crapshoot: The Gamble with our Wastes.

It was a Canadian who directed it. I just thought it would be something for LC to think about, living in Canada and all.

The problem is solid human waste itself – in a composting toilet that makes for some very fertile soil when let to sit for several years. The problem is the blend of household products & industrial/pahrmaceutical waste that mix with human waste, contaminating it with all sorts of chemical solvents, etc.

As for acmd’s lettuce & oat diet… can’t do that myself as my body wastes away without animal products, but I do try to buy organic. What I worry about though, is that solid sewage is marketed as ‘organic’ in Canada. I wonder if there are areas in the US where soil treatment with solid sewage falls into the ‘organic’ guidelines.

19. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

I meant to say the problem is not solid human waste itself.

20. marisacat - 7 May 2007

OK.. this is an easy one… The Boyz (some of them) call this place the “litter box”. Which is just so dull. but Thanks Boyz… whatever! You are trying, a gold star for Effort.

However if this be the litter box… YES! Then Boyz Blahgs and Tied-in Box Car Sites are

FIRE HYDRANTS,

Don’t miss it. Martin Oops Booman tries to navigate the day (MewM is still going, LOL, do believe I hatched a diversion by linking to it early on: it had two comments when I linked it! Glad to send you traffic MOB!!)…

sidewalk, grass, hydrant.. Martin is working his ‘hood… you get the picture.

Oh, was that a tad vulgar? Why, YES it was!

21. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

On Sneaky Deaky, He’s vested in collapse and chaos.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Maliki is whacked, Iran blamed etc., etc., megalomaniac etc.

Right as those lazy hazy media days of summer set in.

22. marisacat - 7 May 2007

120 to 140 degree days – I remember reading the first summer, 2003, that hand soap melts… and sand storms.

Year 5 of the war.

23. marisacat - 7 May 2007

I wonder if there are areas in the US where soil treatment with solid sewage falls into the ‘organic’ guidelines. – lucid

My guess would be yes. In 2003 during the dem primary in which a few, not too many, liberal issues were actually discussed, one was the spewing of various forms of waste into fields…and run off

I remember seeing a photo of a an upright rigid “hose” sort of thing, that spewed waste as a fertiliser. But this was a massive operation. This go round, I doubt we get any discussion at all of the ‘factory” farms.

All we have are fusion conservative candidates. Not even the gloss of anything else.

24. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

gilding the lily–aravia at the guardian:

“From December 2004 to June 2006, I was a contributing editor at Daily Kos, the leading Democratic-leaning political blog in the US, and a member there in the previous two years. I had a front row seat to the development of political blogs.”

uh then I was flushed down the loo and banned in 2007…..

25. marisacat - 7 May 2007

worse now, he relies on Mothers at TL and MLW to protect him.

I long ago decided for the Jasons and the Armandos they live an eternal sort of virgin crucificion. Always “outed” always “defamed” always ‘slandered” or “libeled”. Must be a strange form of vestigial Catholic whatever.

with the tadpoles like BMT to sweep up after them. Or the mothers.

26. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

Mcat– RFLMAO! Litter box ? Fire hydrants? Too Funny.

Martin couldn’t even “get a leg up” as it were before he was being pissed on.

Reminded me (FWIW) of Woody Allen who no sooner gets into the bank to rob it when its stuck up by another gang.

miss d in that thread was hilarious.

Thanks for the treat and taking me to the zoo today, mcat.

27. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

miss d in lieu of nap time story how bout a complimentary foot massage?

What were you up to over there???

Lucille Ball mashin’ grapes to Dylan = Nancy Sinatra .

Bwahhahhahha

28. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

#24 miss devore on Armando Puffery then I was flushed down the loo and banned in 2007…..

Bwahhahhahha x 2

29. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Miss D, does this mean LOA will now be fertilizing my Broccoli?

Perish the thought.

30. marisacat - 7 May 2007

well he tries. The Boyz advise him over and over to get a leg up.

And so he struggles.

I think the boyz are terminally confused and want to be drag queens. The way they scream. At hang nails.

Most drag queens are the most, or among the most, courageous people I have ever known. But the Boyz don’t qualify. ‘Specially not Blog Maid Boyz.

the most valuable comment during all of that scheisse that DD ran for days (about a photo with

no name

no moniker, and

no law firm

identified)

was a commenter who pointed out, that he/DD linked himself, and his name to cuntbitchwhore. Screwed himself if he ever wants to run for office. and he did all of that on his law firm’s computer. Between Noon and 4:30 or so. Said so himself in the thread.

31. marisacat - 7 May 2007

I will say one thing. BMT sure avoids this moniker at this site: “BooHooHooMan”… which referred to Booman, as it happens.

the long ago “BoohoohooMan: kitty scwatched me”.

I notice weaklings pick on whom they come after. Pretty carefully.

32. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

BHHM–I had to flash a little more fang at curmidget.

The quality of our detractors is abysmal. someone on dk referred to this site as “Opera Glasses and Poopcorn”

the rubes of the tubes.

33. outofwater - 7 May 2007

Was Armando Llorens outed yet again?

Oh my God. The persecution doesn’t end! By the Guardian no less!

34. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Mmm poopcorn. Goes great with litterbox cake. ;)

35. marisacat - 7 May 2007

sorry oow

that comment fell to spam – just got rescued…

36. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

That didn’t occur to me. We must now organize a boycott of the Guardian and write viscious screed upon viscous screed against them for betraying the cardinal rule of blogging!

37. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Hey MOB just called me witty! Who knew?

38. liberalcatnip - 7 May 2007

I’m still laughing about this one over in that BT thread:

why I don’t pick my nose as much as I used to do (4.00 / 4)

it’s bigger, and I don’t have the time.

by Miss Devore on Sun May 6th, 2007 at 08:20:24 PM EST

You’re SO bad!

39. jam.fuse - 7 May 2007

To be clear, the song I posted above was written
by the late great Phil Ochs

not by me: would hate to be mistaken for a poetic genius

40. outofwater - 7 May 2007

Speaking of poop. Armando apparently deleted his diary at the Guardian. It’s a shame because I had some important insights that I wanted to include in the comments.

41. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

BooHoo-Hoola-Hoop Corn.

We need more poodle.

42. marisacat - 7 May 2007

well they have never answered why, across years, DD/LV/whomever repeatedly discussed himself, in great detail, name, work, city of work/residence etc. At Dkos, at his own blog, Milhous’s Glasses or something, a photo blog. Link to the blog was his sig for over a year, so I hear.

Did so fully when an DE reporter FULLY outed him. Real name, moniker,links to his diaries, details that he had failed the DE bar three times. And DD posted all of that to Dkos. Did a diary. Went on at length (endless purple feather boa time) and so on.

Declared his moniker dead, he would return as New Person Whatever.

But he did not

i say sue the reporter. He did not.

But DD did send aobut 20 – 30 K in visitors here to look at his law firm pic.

And got Martin to lecture me… LOL. That WAS amusing.

Okkkkkkkkkkk.

But now on a bitch cross forever. Fine Boyz. Go ahead. Rich fodder for laughs. And winks over here.

43. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

OOW – I just clicked on your link not 2 minutes ago and read it, so I don’t think it’s deleted. You just have to click on the title & it opens up.

44. marisacat - 7 May 2007

LOL I had not even bothered to go to the Guardian.

I feel I had read it all years ago.

But what a laugh!

45. outofwater - 7 May 2007

LC-It just disappeared a minute ago, can you still get it?

46. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

#38 catnip! ROFLMAO YET AGAIN!

Ah yes, that miss d, our own dirty little nose miner It’s gonna be god awful when she starts flicking her fun flecks at the fellas.

dabbing sentimental tears

We’re so proud of you

47. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

OOW – crap it’s gone now… Go figure. MSOC behaviour…

48. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Wow – the bio even mentions Walmart and Shell as clients. It was when that stuff came out at Dkos that he got extra pissy. Funny thing – the bio’s still up, but the article is gone.

49. outofwater - 7 May 2007

I don’t want to take too much credit, but this was my response,

Ironically, the blog with which you were formerly affiliated, Daily Kos, now models itself after the right wing propaganda machines, but much less effectively. The problem with a single message, enforced, packaged, and fed to the masses is that such manipulations uniformly fail on the left. By their very nature, liberals question authority. The reason the authoritarian model worked on the right was not only discipline of message, its success was largely due to the willingness of their disciples to accept it.

Armando doesn’t like criticism of Markos, even now. What’s up with that?

50. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

I can now here the tattletale:

whining

Miss D snotted on me. And, and, and, Martin he was goin pee pee on the fire hydrant – it’s HIS fire hydrant- and these BIG kitties came by and Dey just went POOPY all over….

confused

What kinda kitties DO that?

51. liberalcatnip - 7 May 2007

Yes and the bio refers to him as a “front page poster” not a “contributing editor”.

Armando – deleting diaries on both sides of the pond now.

52. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Re the poster MerM, I still think it sounds way more like Npk – everything about the writing style, the droning on and on, the lecturing, even the history of the way s/he came to be ‘more activist and informed politically’ crediting kos despite ‘not agreeing with him a lot of the time’ – the time frame of signing up etc. it all fits Npk except for throwing in the ‘I’m a 23 year-old college student’ which cannot be verified.

Also, there is no MerM registered at DK. Someone should ask Mer for his/her dk moniker. After all, of they will not acknowledge who they are, we can assume the entire diary is a fabrication. If you are going to attack those who criticize kos, using your own membership as the basis for your defense of him, then say who you are so that the diary’s claims can be verified. That would solve the problem of assuming it is someone it may not be.

I’m surprised BM has not demanded that the diarist identify themselves – since the whole premise of the diary is based on membership at dk.

Btw, I thought we were a ‘vipers’ den’ – but Litter Box works for me also. Nothing cuter than a litter box full of playful kitties who grow up to be ‘sleek, panther-like creatures, stalking the great, inept white hunters of the blogosphere’, (thanks to our newest litter box resident for that) in an attempt to keep them honest. There’s always room in the litter box for more kitties who are a bit leary of Hunters of any kind.

53. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

Sabrina–you may be correct. I had forgotten about Nightfoulkitty.

54. marisacat - 7 May 2007

I have no idea who it is… tho I have been emailed with a lot of guesses.

Honestly I don’t read them enough to recognise style. Escept of course Typos of Armando.

soon to be a diary, soon to be deleted.

55. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Who’s got that chapter? It’ll be the longest one in the book!

56. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Mmm, I clicked on it also, and still have it on my screen. Haven’t tried again. This is the problem with tying yourself to DK. That blog has generated so much outrage across the blogosphere that anyone who wants to make a name for themselves, is best off not identifying with it. Or explaining that they are no longer afilliated with it. It’s probably time for those who were misled into believing it was a liberal blog to write an article for the Guardian. People should be warned. I eg, regret the time I wasted there. I was far more involved and informed about issues before I discovered DK.

Their silencing of any talk of important issues, eg, the AG scandal was never discussed there despite being nearly two years old and connected to Election Fraud (re the WA State election), stalled information from getting out. And that is the only real function of online forums. Information gathering and dissemination out into the real world. Armando’s claims that he had a front row seat of the beginning of liberal blogs, is just plain wrong. DK was the near ending of the emergence of Lib Blogs which began (DU being one of the first big ones) right after the 2000 election.

Dk has been a real hindrance to the work done by those early blogs. I had a front row seat to that, starting in the summer of 2001 before kos even existed. It was on those blogs that I learned anything I know about important issue evolving out of the 2000 election. I learnt NOTHING new at dk, mainly because any talk of some of the most important issues was forbidden there. For that I will not forgive them.

As we see now coming out of the AG scandal investigations, election fraud was no conspiracy theory. Kos helped cover it up. I believe it was job to do so. And MYDD and the rest of them who seemed to pop us just as public outrage was pushing for accountability. They squashed any real ‘movement’ there was by labeling and defaming anyone who was working hard, like Brad from Bradblog eg, and forbidding the linking of blogs that now have been vindicated.

A real history of the liberal blogosphere needs to be written and when it is, DK will not be treated kindly.

57. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

I agree SB – a real history would be a fascinating book to work out. What we’d need to find though are some insiders willing to talk – we’d need to uncover the money trail, etc., etc. I really do not doubt that the BBB’s were thrown up to stop a building movement [much like the CIA financed the ‘non-communist left’ coming out of the great depression.

58. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

#9 – “Some countries have a Secretary of State to conduct diplomacy, maybe the US should look into that.”

They should send Poppy. He might get them to crumble after one of his crying jags. Sympathy, and for old times’ sake, and all that.

#32 – “Opera Glasses and Poopcorn”

How refreshingly……..odious.

Speaking of odious, Sarko’s speech has me feeling even more wary of him. I do believe the Emperor has a pocket-puppet.

59. marisacat - 7 May 2007

If yuo send Poppy you have to send him with Halcyon.

I bet he is still on that drug, or something like it.

Lunatics.

60. marisacat - 7 May 2007

acmn

I thought Direland really cuaght the sarko mess.

He also linked back to several of his (Doug Ireland’s) earlier pieces on Sarko.

Such bad news. Any friend of Bibi’s is no friend of the human race. IMO

61. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

I mean its great we already have reading material , but with everyone coming and going, we’ll need to arrange some private time in the litter box or perhaps configgle some type of screen.

On second thought, it’s too impractical. Poop away in the play sand elsewhere.

62. colleen - 7 May 2007

Re the poster MerM, I still think it sounds way more like Npk – everything about the writing style, the droning on and on, the lecturing, even the history of the way s/he came to be ‘more activist and informed politically’ crediting kos despite ‘not agreeing with him a lot of the time’ – the time frame of signing up etc. it all fits Npk except for throwing in the ‘I’m a 23 year-old college student’ which cannot be verified.

You could be right. But, then, NPK showed up on DK not too long ago with the slouise (and phillygal etc) attitude. In other words I’m still curious about who npk is/was.
The reason I thought of Jason is that this person is using one of Jason’s most annoying arguments…. the ‘you’re not part of this blog, this movement unless you’re willing to elect and support every right-wing, woman hating asshole willing to call himself a Democrat so STFU’. It’s an argument so breathtakingly arrogant and contemptous of the reader that it makes an impression on me. And this guy who claims to be a 23 yr old law student has a writing style and simular to Jason’s and political opinions which are indistinguishable.
.
I do understand that people like Martin and his girlfriend (who either appears to believe she has training in psychological diagnosis or is just another sloppy thinker with bad taste in men….. my bets on the latter) find Jason’s and MM’s arguments acceptable and compelling. But, then, as I’ve pointed out here several times, Martin is not very bright and is not even a worthy adversary.

63. colleen - 7 May 2007

I’m surprised BM has not demanded that the diarist identify themselves – since the whole premise of the diary is based on membership at dk.

I’m really not suprised at all.

64. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

#52Sabrina – “Nothing cuter than a litter box full of playful kitties who grow up to be sleek, panther-like creatures, stalking the great, inept white hunters of the blogosphere”

Don’t they realize that the cat is supreme? They can’t lock them all away in cages, no matter how hard they try.

65. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

What kinda kitties DO that?

The rare breed felis viperus, who is known to associate in a coven like manner, meeting in litterboxes housed inside of dens, writing secret books on prominent bloggers and plotting to emerge when they see a fire hydrant on which to pee.

66. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

marisacat

I bookmarked Direland’s article so I can catch up on his earlier ones about Sarko. Thanks for finding that. I used to read him. His blog looks different from what I remember, and very nice.

67. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

Forgot to add, I share your assessment of Bibi. He manages to turn up in some interesting places at interesting moments. Another of the Emperor’s pocket-puppets.

68. Miss Devore - 7 May 2007

(CNN):

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — Iraq’s top Sunni official has set a deadline of next week for pulling his entire bloc out of the government — a potentially devastating blow to reconciliation efforts within Iraq. He also said he turned down an offer by President Bush to visit Washington until he can count more fully on U.S. help.

Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi made his comments in an interview with CNN. He said if key amendments to the Iraq Constitution are not made by May 15, he will step down and pull his 44 Sunni politicians out of the 275-member Iraqi parliament.”

69. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

#56 Sabrina

I found DKos about 2 years ago and I’ve never been able to understand the attraction. All of that nastiness in the comment threads was just vile. Sometimes I would find myself sitting there reading almost in a state of shock and thinking, “oh, the right-wingers must be positively GLEEFUL over this mess.” I simply can’t waste much of my time on that outrageousness.

One good thing that came out of the self-limited time I spent there was finding Liberal Street Fighter (I must credit my muse for that one). Particularly fine writing there, and a linky to here.

70. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Colleen, you may be right – of course it could be that all kos apologists sound the same. Unable to defend some of his more outrageous public statements, they all revert to first acknowledging them – ‘sure, he can be dumb at times, but there’s no denying the contribution he’s made to the liberal blogosphere’. Well, true, and that’s the point. No one is denying it, they are pointing it out. His contribution has been devastating to the liberal blogosphere.

Lol, Lucid – #65

Acmn27 – Don’t they realize that the cat is supreme? They can’t lock them all away in cages, no matter how hard they try. Lol, you’d think they’d know that by now and maybe drop the cat analogies, although I would say the same goes for vipers. They’re running out of animals – but then, I am proud to be compared to just about any animal, never saw the insult in that.

A real insult, if they are determined to lob insults our way, would be any comparison to those the media is determined to label ‘the liberal blogosphere’. Fortunately, I think we are relatively safe from such an insult heading our way.

Most of the time, their feeble attempts to insult independent thinkers merely provide more comedic material for the brilliant writers on this blog. And here I thought we were ‘dead to them’. I think my little tribute to the Blog. Cur. in a previous thread here was proven true in the BMT thread. He lurks – lol!

71. Kevin Lynch - 7 May 2007

the eternal truth: things fall apart. we’ve been watching a liberal consensus falling apart for the last 26 years. we’ve been watching dKos fall apart for almost 3 years. shrill shills losing their wail. Goodbye Cruel Assholes! :)

let’s just hope that Big Dick gets to die in his sleep instead of grabbing the football and going out with his boots on

Kevin

72. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

Sabrina

Comparing me to any group in the animal kingdom, any group that doesn’t involve tramping through the wilderness with an elephant gun, is the highest form of compliment! Are they addled?

73. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

# 65 Lucid ,felis viperus LOL ! Iwas just writing about your #57 ……

#57 Lucid comment indeed, Lucid.

Markos archives are a treasure trove of assholery that can be used down the road against the politically aspiring young fools who were bent on having an “in” there. Markos M.O. is of the Roy Cohn / J Edgar Hoover variety without the dress – cowing the gullible, hyping the rep, continually leveraging the perception of substance, till eventually the myth is accepted as reality.

I have no doubt that post 9/11, there is unprecedented domestic political surveillance that was sanctioned with but a whimper from the Dems. Sure Rockefeller has a letter in his safe raising objection to NSA wiretaps, but what has come of it? What info was gleaned? Where’s the oversight?.

Other than Frisco, Chicago is the locus to this day of the country’s “radicals” … Does Markos, georgia10, jerralyn or whatever the fuck her name is, have any linky or street cred in the movement there? Zip. What’s up with that?

Unfortunately I have more questions than I have answers for. The presence of these bloggers works for someone, but it sure ain’t me. I think that much of what has developed regarding the posters in “the blogosphere” has been organic but the structure, manipulation, monitoring, and message control — the GATE KEEPING decidedly is not.

The funny thing is, the blogs are not even high value propoganda.

74. earth to meg - 7 May 2007

“the poster MerM, I still think it sounds way more like Npk – everything about the writing style, the droning on and on, the lecturing, even the history of the way s/he came to be ‘more activist and informed politically’ crediting kos despite ‘not agreeing with him a lot of the time’”

SB, yep, I wast thinking the same thing, when you read through that thread, it’s like night fouled incarnate. The throwing around of that weird term “meh” is pretty signature for her dkos shit as well.

Moiv had some good comments in there, and Miss Devore was hilarious. I was laughing out loud at some of that shit. Whenever I lurk over there, crabbingirl is always jumping in after booman to help lift his leg.

75. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

BTW, I just want to add that, any of you who attempted to enlighten such a group with your writings and comments has my sincere respect. I’m embarrassed to admit that I could never generate the courage long enough to try.

76. outofwater - 7 May 2007

“there. Markos M.O. is of the Roy Cohn / J Edgar Hoover variety without the dress ”

Are you sure about the dress part?

77. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Sometimes I would find myself sitting there reading almost in a state of shock and thinking, “oh, the right-wingers must be positively GLEEFUL over this mess.”

Well, imitation is the highest compliment one can give. Chait was dead right in his contention that the left blogosphere is dangerous because of its ‘envy’ of the ‘discipline of the right’. Envy transformed into imitation. Dk having exceeded even the worst examples of the Rightwing blogs, in thuggery and silencing of those deviating from the message. And, unlike Armando, I am qualified to make that statement having experienced the worst the right had to give, firsthand.

Of course how would he, or any loyal Kossack know. They never took on the right, as we did. The evidence is there that they only took on the left. Rightwingers like Jiacinto and Red Stater Enders, continue to flourish at DK while true progressive voices like MC, Mitm, Bayprairie, SV, Miss D. and so many more, all were banned from the ‘biggest liberal blog’. Inconvenient voices for sure when you are NOT a progressive blog!

What struck me most when I first discovered DK, was the lack of criticism of the right except for the obligatory ‘Bush is bad’. Rightwingers were treated with far more deference and respect than any progressive voice there. It was stunning to me, having had the experiences I had with rightwing blogs. It was those who took on the right at the beginning who made it increasingly safer for others to emerge and speak out. Dk contributed nothing to that. I saw rightwing bloggers lauded there, while liberal sites were called ‘conspiracists’.

One good thing that came out of the self-limited time I spent there was finding Liberal Street Fighter (I must credit my muse for that one). Particularly fine writing there, and a linky to here.

I absolutely agree – I read back in the archives there and it has some of the best, most thoughful writing on the internet. I would comment there but for some reason the site loads very slowly for me and is difficult to scroll.

78. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

acmn27 – well the attempt to enlighten was largely fruitless, at least for my part.

BHHM – the funny thing is, many posters on Dkos were always suggesting that it was real leftists who were the NSA/intelligence plants out to discredit the ‘progressive’ movement by tarring it with radicalism, when in actuality I now think it was the reverse.

79. marisacat - 7 May 2007

From The Guardian comment is free section (better I am sure than what was erased):

Go to the suburbs at any time of day or night and you’ll see Sarko-style violence used to quell everything from unruly schoolboys to domestic disputes. Alleged offenders will be lined up against walls, handcuffed, and then punched viciously. This unofficial policy reached its zenith during the civil unrest of 2005.

It began in the Parisian suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois, following the deaths of two teenagers attempting to hide from police. It was Sarko who at first described protesters as ‘hoodlums’ and ‘gangsters’, but it soon became clear they were victims of the police brutality he had done so much to encourage. In February, two officers were charged in connection with the deaths.

With an alienated, unemployed and largely immigrant underclass blamed for making a political protest through the disturbances, the ever tactful Interior Minister called them ‘scum’ to be ‘washed away with a power hose’.

In last year’s ‘circulaire Sarkozy’, Sarko proposed giving residency papers to immigrant families with children already integrated in French schools. Some 25,000 applied. It was then just a matter of refusing the vast majority and going to arrest those who remained. Parents were picked up as they collected their children from school.

The political establishment may complain about Sarko using his state-funded henchmen to investigate everything from political rivals to troublesome journalists, but it is those who are regularly victimised who suffer most.
[snip]

Elsewhere I read the WH is delighted… juan cole as well has something on Sarko..

80. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

I think that much of what has developed regarding the posters in “the blogosphere” has been organic but the structure, manipulation, monitoring, and message control — the GATE KEEPING decidedly is not

So true, Bhhm – They are Gate Keepers and their role is to make sure no ordinary citizen ever crashes those gates. ‘Crashing the Gates’ – Lol!

Which is why I loved your first little drama – Kos and his ‘gatecrashers’ making off with the loot, leaving the tool, DD, drowning as he tries to get on board, and imo, assigning the worst fate of all to Armando proving only that one should never play with fire no matter how enticing it may appear to be – lol! It was brilliant! Not to mention our very own dockside, front seat view of the finale to the whole, sordid mess, through opera glasses while munching on popcorn, thanks to the generosity of our hostess! Priceless imagery!

81. marisacat - 7 May 2007

Juan Cole on Sarkozy win. Lots of links, which I did not have time to follow…

82. liberalcatnip - 7 May 2007

Who’s got that chapter? It’ll be the longest one in the book! [Armando’s typos]

…and absolute torture to read…we should add a warning.

83. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Sarko – what is wrong with the French? I confess to not knowing much about him until now – but reading all the information I have since his election, I am amazed that he was elected in France where Bush’ approval ratings are practically zero. What did they miss? He sounds like a Bush/Giuliani/ rightwing clone.

The only explanation I can think of is they are more afraid of an invasion of ‘foreigners’ than of their own dictator! I have a feeling they will regret this decision. The word ‘foreigners’ seems to be always a great weapon to instill fear in a population. Such tactics as described in that article resemble Hitler’s re the Jews. Yes, I know Godwin’s Law, but if the shoe fits and all that. Especially if the population turned a blind eye to it all!

84. colleen - 7 May 2007

Markos archives are a treasure trove of assholery that can be used down the road against the politically aspiring young fools who were bent on having an “in” there.

I suggest you save and archive that tresure trove as much as possible. The FPgers are able to and have deleted a good deal of the evidence already

of course it could be that all kos apologists sound the same

It’s quite possible that that is what has happened, it certainly was the original intent to develop an “army of dittoheads” on DK and the ‘b’ list blogs too. I’m not the expert on NPK that y’all are (having avoided her and DK like the plague for some time now) but have the great misfortune to have been reading the nasty Eternal Virgin Melrath for quite some time.

85. marisacat - 7 May 2007

Editor and Publisher takes a look at growing editorials to Get Out:

NEW YORK The editorial pages of many American newspapers have long been harshly critical of the conduct of the war in Iraq, but very few major papers have ever called for a U.S. withdrawal any time soon. The Washington Post has strongly opposed the idea, while The New York Times has started moving in the pullout direction. But the Los Angeles Times — which had backed the “surge” — took the strongest stand yet on Sunday, in an editorial titled simply, “Bring Them Home.”

Meanwhile, on the other side of the country, in a conservative state, the Roanoke (Va.) Times also called for a pullout, explaining that it, too, was reversing course on its support for the war.

The L.A. Times observed, “This newspaper reluctantly endorsed the U.S. troop surge as the last, best hope for stabilizing conditions so that the elected Iraqi government could assume full responsibility for its affairs. But we also warned that the troops should not be used to referee a civil war. That, regrettably, is what has happened.”

It concluded that “the longer we delay planning for the inevitable, the worse the outcome is likely to be. The time has come to leave.”

The Roanoke paper stated, “Though President Bush seems psychologically incapable of the act, it is time for everyone else in the United States to recognize the inevitable: The occupation of Iraq is an utter, irredeemable failure. We cannot win there militarily or politically.

“Further expenditure of blood, lives, and treasure will gain the United States nothing. Nor will it gain anything for the Iraqi people, who have seen only chaos and bloodshed from this intervention.” [snip]

86. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

Lucid – I find it hard to resolve given the warp in the mirrors over at DK, but i really think Markos is a chump changer who happens to have had the benefit of moderate to active, generally well educated politically minded folk. Not exactly the online staging grounds for the next Haymarket riots (as if there is any – I dunno, maybe WE-ARE-PLOTTING-A-COUP.com), but I bet he’s had a few phone calls, maybe a steak lunch on the FBI’s tab to discuss anything “unusual.”

Fuck the vaporware of the “security state.” They can do my laundry if they come for me at my house seize the bologney sandwich with extra butter I left in the fridge as evidence of a plot against Cheney. The pretzels in the breadbasket? The bike on the porch? Clearly a lethal duo meant for the President. I hope they choke on pate tonight. They are War Criminals. Truth is, nobody gives a shit. Not enough people. Not yet.

The bottom line is if we don’t root out the goosesteppers in society now, from John Bircher Republicans to Bobble Head Kossacks there will be no need for monitoring domestic unrest. The nation will be in a fight for its survival from cohesive external foes : capable, funded and justified in putting an end to our democratic pretensions.[small d democratic]

87. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Probably right BHHM. I just can’t help but think though with the revolution in information sharing & gathering that was going on online in the aftermath of 2000 that the powers that be were urgent interest in redirecting it in a somewhat controllable fashion. And DK either wittingly or unwittingly played a role.

Oh, and gosh, the sarcastic ‘witty’ compliment earlier by MOB has been cleverly turned into ‘half-witty’ insult… I’ll be. Alas, I’ll need to soothe my wimpering pride in a feast of wine tonight to recover.

88. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

What we needed in this country was to serve up a shit sandwhich full of Impeachment on January 4th 2007. Not one sanction yet by the Democrats for a Criminal War. January, February, March, May –June (around the corner), when was your son killed?

Mr. Born on the Fourth of July, how’s that prosthesis for your neighbor’s daughter in law?

Tick. Drip. Tick,
Drip. Tick. Drip.

The slow bleed strategy. The Democrats are forfeiting all credibility. These twits can’t even push Paris Hilton’s DUI off the Front Page.

89. lucidculture - 7 May 2007

Well to be fair, Paris Hilton is a national treasure preserved by the tax dollars of the poor and middle class.

90. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

#76 OOW. Are you sure about the dress part?

The guy is draped in hypocrisy.

I agree with mcat’s take on the courage of drag above. .. courage not being one of Markos long suits.

91. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

Lucid teheheheheheheh

Paris Hilton is a national treasure preserved by the tax dollars of the poor and middle class

Maybe we can get her 45 days in the glass case with Lenin and Laura Bush. Make a reality necromancing capitalist old chic/ young chick /dead commie guy love triangle show.

92. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 May 2007

re: 69. acmn27

wow, thanks so much.

93. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

The throwing around of that weird term “meh” is pretty signature for her dkos shit as well. Earth to Meg

Yes, a favorite word of hers …. along with fierce defense of kos. She works hard to defend him! I give her credit, because it’s not easy to do!

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/4/18/182914/640/155#c155

I read that comment … (2+ / 0-)

… in MSOC’s diary and am not about to go through that whole mess in this one.

All of those folks who are trying to make this a political issue, divine kos’ motives, meh. You don’t know shit, and I’m sick and tired of reading these paranoid interpretations of why he does what he does when he has said many times why he didn’t want to make this a hard and fast rule.

Now that may not have worked — because of folks like MSOC he may indeed have to make it a hard and fast rule.

But oh no! He couldn’t actually have meant what he said! That would be too simple! You have to write an idiotic psychoanalytical screed that shows the REAL reason he and the admins. are doing this! Oh my!

Bleh. I could write an equally paranoid rant on some mythical motives of anyone, including you. But I won’t — it’s a waste of time.

by Nightprowlkitty on Wed Apr 18, 2007 at 06:39:14 PM PDT

Well of course he doesn’t want ‘hard rules’! That would make his selective application of them more obvious and leave him without any plausible deniability! She is blind or complicit. I’m not sure which is worse.

But as one poster said in the BMT diary, the problem with MerM’s view of the importance of dk, may be precisely what s/he claims gives it credibility. That it was DK that shaped his/her views in the first place. Same with Npk! That is also her claim! She is grateful to kos for her ‘enlightenment’. That is the problem!

These twits can’t even push Paris Hilton’s DUI off the Front Page.

Nor could they push George Bush’s and Cheney’s DUIs ONTO the Front Page. Nor their AWOL or several Deferments status. While they imitated rightwing thuggery in shutting down dissent they failed completely to imitate the rightwing’s ability to smear their opponents, even when they had truth and facts to back them up, something that never deterred their idols on the right.

Even if finally, there was some sign that Dems were taking action to stop the wreckage that the Bush administration is, it is way, way too late. It has been six, long destructive years with barely a whimper from the ‘opposition’ party which more often than not, aided and abetted the criminals with their votes, eg, the AUMF and the Constitution destroying MCA, not to mention the vile Patriot Act. And further assisting the destruction of rights many of them voted again and again for Bush’s radical rightwing neocon nominees.

Bring any of this up on DK and you’ll be told that yes, these were ‘mistakes’ but let’s just ‘go forward’ now and not ‘waste time’ on the past. This particular reaction to crimes committed is nauseating. Bringing criminals to justice, according to spokespersons for the DP, is not important. Let them destroy the country, kill, maim, torture, steal and lie! Let them do it with the knowledge that they will never be held accountable. That works well for the future of any country.

94. acmn27 - 7 May 2007

#81marisacat

From Juan Coles’s article, there is a link to aqoul.com from 4/28, about Sarko’s police tactics. It’s quite good. There is also a good explanation of the problems with the French Left.

Can someone explain to me how to enter links here, and also block quoting? Thanks.

Off now to take care of my lovely kitties. I can’t type with this big one in my lap anyway! lol

95. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Acmn27 to blockquote just use this formula:

(blockquote) then enter the text then close with (/blockquote) but replace the crescents with triangles

96. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Oops, the rest of the post disappeared maybe because of the html tags – well, trying again re links:

a href=”url goes here then close” Put title here then this /a

I left out brackets but in front of the first ‘a’ place a triangular bracket like this

97. marisacat - 7 May 2007

acmn

thanks for that alert on the cole links… will look that one up.. ;)

OK for blockquote… [blockquote] at the start, but don’t use the brackets. use the little arrows that are on the comma and period keys, if you capitalise. at the close insert a slash [/blockquote]

let me see if I can show the html for links using the same “dodge”, brackets instead of the arrows:

[a href=”URL”]text you want to be visible[/a]

98. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Mmm, guess I can’t use the triangles at all.

One more try for links:

(a href=”url goes here then close” )Put title here then this (/a)

Just replace the crescent brackets with triangular brackets.

99. BooHooHooMan - 7 May 2007

What are you all afraid of? For blockquotes all you need to do is press this button and !@%BZZZT!!

100. Sabrina Ballerina - 7 May 2007

Lol! Bhhm –

Sorry, Marisacat, didn’t see your instructions before I messed up three attempts!

Btw, a whole town in Kansas was wiped out this weekend by a tornado. 10 people are reported dead so far.

According to the Governor who had warned of such a situtation several times, as recently as three weeks ago, they are now unable to handle the emergency due to the National Guard being in Iraq. I hope when and if Bush gets around to visitiing the area (supposedly he plans to, probably to figure out he and his raiders can profit from this disaster) he is told in public how his war has compromised national security. But I know it will not happen.

101. marisacat - 7 May 2007

just got Sabrina out of Moderation…

well i wish Sebelius and other dems would be more forceful. About resources meant for the US people in Iraq. And dying.

“We learned nothing from Vietnam”. And replace ‘vietnam” with “katrina”.

102. liberalcatnip - 7 May 2007

I don’t think I said a formal “hello” to acmn yet. So, “hello”! :)

Cats, this and thats, spits and spats, oh and hats.

103. marisacat - 7 May 2007

New Thread:

Art Alert!

104. ms_xeno - 7 May 2007

My theory is that Evil has won the day. That pigfucker Cheney will probably outlive us all.

But at least you’ve all been keeping me entertained with the BBB circus antics today. I can get in a few more good laughs before the end times…

105. marisacat - 7 May 2007

Well Meese is doing just fine. He thanks you for asking.

Colson. a few others. Nothing slowed them down. they still run our lives. esp as HilObEd deep down venerate that sort of power.

ABC is highlighting Obama with the speech on atuo emissions, I guess to GM, today, “lecturing” them from the heights. And ABC reported that Arnold is chiming in, he approves the Obama message.

The Disneyfication of our politics. As if it was not bad enough, it had to go the way of “42nd and Vine” as a friend of mine used to refer to a certain slice of Americana.


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