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Hush! A moment of silence! 15 May 2007

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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and then just laugh… what a delight he is gone:

   Falwell in a water slide

No, no that is really Falwell… here is the link and if you look on the right side, a link to Hustler v Falwell…. a high moment in my not so humble opinion.

In other news… Gonzales was heckled by a woman NOT wearing pink.  On my 11 am ABC local news.  She did a good job, never stopping as they removed her.  Mediocre Romanovs.

Also extensive coverage, from Mickey Mouse viewpoint, of happenings in Pakistan.  We must have a water slide ready for Musharraf.

Fine bunch we love.  May they all meet the big water slide in the sky.

And the muffin monster in the sky, too. 

 have at it…  :)

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1. marisacat - 15 May 2007

out of water linked to a YouTube in the previous thread – of Falwell and Robertson..

just to pull it forward

2. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Moment of silence for the American Empire, as well.

Tom Dispatch has Chalmers Johnson’s latest essay
Evil Empire Is Imperial Liquidation Possible for America?

3. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

How did I miss this before ? [blush] Maybe others did, too. The Texas Civil Rights Review reported on 5/2 that Suzi Hazahza and other members of her family are finally free. Brother Ahmed was detained a few extra days more and released later, as best I could glen from Google.

…In the end, Chertoff and ICE virtually snubbed us Americans and Texas citizens who have been deeply grieved over such atrocities. I am personally committed to seeing that each and every corrupt and complicit person be held responsible for these crimes that are being committed against members of our human family like the Hazahza, Ibrahims and the some 30,000 more that we don’t even know about. The real felons are the ones who have committed these crimes against the Hazahzas. They just have not been charged yet. But their day is coming. From the guards to the county judge and commissioners, the councilmen and the state and national officials who all receive money form this corrupt scheme… — Jay Johnson-Castro, Sr.

I hope somebody sues. Really, really sues.

4. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

Sorry. “Glean.” I need to go back to bed.

The Appeal is here, for any serious legal junkies.

5. BooHooHooMan - 15 May 2007

Fuck ‘em. He was trash.

from Prizzi’s Honor, I think

6. JJB - 15 May 2007

lucidculture,

In the previous thread, I suggest Jeff Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy as Falwell’s roommates for eternity. Both will naturally be wearing Tinky Winky costumes, in honor of one of Jerry’s more bizarre obsessions. And it’s right in character for Gacy, who did like to entertain at children’s parties.

BTW, did you know Jeffrey Dahmer’s father is a noted spokesman for Creationism?

7. BooHooHooMan - 15 May 2007

Got to go will be back for supper and Bible study.

8. outofwater - 15 May 2007

This is so horrible it almost brings me to tears.

COMEY: Just the three of us at that point.

I tried to see if I could help him get oriented. As I said, it wasn’t clear that I had succeeded.

I went out in the hallway. Spoke to Director Mueller by phone. He was on his way. I handed the phone to the head of the security detail and Director Mueller instructed the FBI agents present not to allow me to be removed from the room under any circumstances. And I went back in the room.

I was shortly joined by the head of the Office of Legal Counsel assistant attorney general, Jack Goldsmith, and a senior staffer of mine who had worked on this matter, an associate deputy attorney general.

So the three of us Justice Department people went in the room. I sat down…

SCHUMER: Just give us the names of the two other people.

COMEY: Jack Goldsmith, who was the assistant attorney general, and Patrick Philbin, who was associate deputy attorney general.

I sat down in an armchair by the head of the attorney general’s bed. The two other Justice Department people stood behind me. And Mrs. Ashcroft stood by the bed holding her husband’s arm. And we waited.

And it was only a matter of minutes that the door opened and in walked Mr. Gonzales, carrying an envelope, and Mr. Card. They came over and stood by the bed. They greeted the attorney general very briefly. And then Mr. Gonzales began to discuss why they were there — to seek his approval for a matter, and explained what the matter was — which I will not do.

And Attorney General Ashcroft then stunned me. He lifted his head off the pillow and in very strong terms expressed his view of the matter, rich in both substance and fact, which stunned me — drawn from the hour-long meeting we’d had a week earlier — and in very strong terms expressed himself, and then laid his head back down on the pillow, seemed spent, and said to them, But that doesn’t matter, because I’m not the attorney general.

SCHUMER: But he expressed his reluctance or he would not sign the statement that they — give the authorization that they had asked, is that right?

COMEY: Yes.

And as he laid back down, he said, But that doesn’t matter, because I’m not the attorney general. There is the attorney general, and he pointed to me, and I was just to his left.

The two men did not acknowledge me. They turned and walked from the room. And within just a few moments after that, Director Mueller arrived. I told him quickly what had happened. He had a brief — a memorable brief exchange with the attorney general and then we went outside in the hallway.

9. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

As I said the possibilities are endless… I still like the idea of Genet & Mapplethorpe getting it on for eternity with Jerry stuck in the room with them.

Didn’t know about Dahmer’s father. They say nuts never fall far from the tree.

10. marisacat - 15 May 2007

oow

thanks for that I clicked thru and read the whole (well I am in the middle of it).

11. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Gilmore’s father tho is very sane. And it is years ago, but his book was remarkable.

Just to flip it.

12. marisacat - 15 May 2007

ms xeno

I had heard that but I LOVE the TX Civil Rights review. I got onto the guy who runs it (cannot think of his name) when Camp Casey came about. He wrote incredibly beautiful pieces about being there… I landed on him at Counterspin at the time… I had not known of the Texas Civil Rights Review til then.

Thanks for posting that…

13. outofwater - 15 May 2007

MC- De nada.

14. JJB - 15 May 2007

Re Dahmer’s father, I should hasten to add that he is by all accounts a decent person who had a successful career as a chemist, and that most of the families of his son’s victims expressed sympathy for him.

15. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

Holy shit. This might be the funniest thread I’ve ever read on Dkos.

Luscious instigates a flamewar about the afterlife that all us non-believers will discover upon our deaths. ROTFLMAO

16. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

JJB right after I posted that I took a look at the wikipedia entry on him. He does seem to be a decent man [unlike Gacy’s dad].

17. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

I give Jeffery D. some credit. His delusions were no worse than those of our current bipartisan leaders. Nor did he manage to get nearly so many people killed in the course of acting them out.

18. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

huh? (0+ / 2-)
Trollrated by:Eternal Hope, Ken in Tex
You sound as insane as Marisacat and her ilk.

Be a Strong Democrat, and you will have my support. Be a Weak Democrat, and you can have Joe Lieberman’s support.

by Lucius Vorenus on Tue May 15, 2007 at 01:45:09 PM EDT

[ Parent | Reply to This |Recommend Troll ]

19. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Oow, thanks for that link to Comey’s testimony. It took so long to get to this point. I remember very clearly when Ashcroft was hospitalized and approached by Gonzales and Card. I remember thinking that if he refused to cooperate with them, what they were asking had to be very, very illegal.

Although Comey is not revealing what it was, I think at the time it was revealed to be by-passing the FISA Court Law which required obtaining warrants to spy on or search the property of suspected terrorists, and permission to spy without restrictions on the American people.

This was one of the few scandals that seemed to arouse the American out of their apathy, for a while anyway.

Imo, this is the Impeachable Offense that should have been on the table from day one. Bush publicly admitted that he would ignore any opposition to his policies (despite their illegality). It was, according to experts, the first time a President publicly admitted to breaking the law.

According to Comey, had the administration continued to pressure them, they had threatened to resign. I really wish that had happened. But at least they pushed back and raised the spectre of a mass resignation, which the administration could not afford to risk.

Contrast their behavior with that of Tenet and Colin Powell. Which reminds me, Col. Wilkerson, Powell’s Aide, has mentioned that impeachment should be on the table. He blames the Bush administration for the ‘stain’ on the career of his hero, Colin Powell and is very bitter about it.

The truth is, Powell could have resigned, apparently Wilkerson doesn’t see that as an option he had at the time. I disagree but am glad Wilkerson is going after them, even if in the process he is attempting to exonerate Powell which cannot be done, imo. They are all dripping with blood ….

20. JJB - 15 May 2007

lucidculture,

From that thread you linked to, this is my favorite:

I am deeply ashamed to be a Kossack today (0 / 0)
when did we start stooping so low?
when did we replace compassion with hatred?
when did we learn it was ok to spit on a man not yet buried?
when did we start acting like burned out soldiers in Iraq while we sit in our comfy homes STILL ALIVE

get a backbone IMPEACH

by notimportant on Tue May 15, 2007 at 11:11:46 AM PDT

Every time some vicious hatemonger croaks, and other people point out that the world is probably a better place without him/her, some sanctimonious idiot like this always jumps in to prove how pure they are.

Jerry Falwell did this country a great deal of harm, and helped men who were responsible for untold misery get elected to high office. Would that he had never been born. I’ll feel the same way when Rupert Murdoch (just to take one example) shuffles off the mortal coil.

21. marisacat - 15 May 2007

You sound as insane as Marisacat and her ilk. — LV Jason Melrath

oh REALLY glad I threw in the lines about water slide and great muffin in the sky.

You know, it is all fine as STORIES. I appreciate stories. And I keep saying i am superstitious. In the old churches that have the half clam shell Holy Water fonts… so utterly beautiful. I always dabble in the HW and light a few candles. For one, that part is utterly pagan. And ancient.

No problem… all for superstition here.

But fuck the power grid they lay down. And corrupt to the toe nails and nose hair.

And the likes of LV support the corruption, it is what they understand.

22. marisacat - 15 May 2007

I really see the Wilkerson gambit as “Bring back Papa Imperialists”… tho I am glad for all exposition.

OF COURSE Powell had the option to resign. That reality hung in the air.

They ALL excuse each other. It gets so sickening.

23. marisacat - 15 May 2007

hmm PSA ALERT…

right now comments seem to be on some sort of delay.

They show up… but in about 3 minutes…

I thought I lost mine just above, it was not in spam … nowehre… then it showed up.

Sorry for the delays!

24. Tuston - 15 May 2007

Howdy Vipers,

Just a quick post before I go back to work at the (ex-)strip club:

Jerry Falwell started Lynchburg Baptist College by selling bonds to a small group of private investors. However, in 1972, the Securities and Exchange Commission investigated the bonds alleging Falwell’s church committed “fraud and deceit” in the issuance of $6.5 million in unsecured church bonds.[16] The case went to trial and Liberty won in 1973. Lynchburg Baptist College subsequently filed for bankruptcy and reorganized as Liberty University.[16]

One benefactor was Sun Myung Moon, owner of the Washington Times. Moon helped to financially stabilize the University through one of his organizations, which contributed $3.5 million to the Reber-Thomas Christian Heritage Foundation, the non-profit organization that had purchased the school’s debt.

Wikipedia Link

If there is a hell, Jerry will burn for an eternity. I’m sure Moon has got a space reserved for him in the lowest circle, too…

(P.S. We haven’t found Bubbie yet, but we haven’t given up hope either…)

25. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

You know, the Judaism I was raised in was pretty vague about an afterlife. Mentions of Heaven were rare and mentions of Hell were non-existent. The most specific commentary I remember was a prayer that said something like The Almighty giveth comfort even to those who sleep in the dust. Something like that.

LV is foolish to think that lack of belief in Heaven and Hell a la Milton or Dante is strictly the province of agnostics and atheists.

But the tangent about Pastafarians was fun.

26. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

P.S.– If Heaven is swarming with LV and his followers, will I have the option of choosing Hell instead ? ;)

27. missdevore - 15 May 2007

May those who sleep in the dust be vacuumed to eternity.

ARoomen

28. marisacat - 15 May 2007

reading that thread. What a whiney little baby LV is.
I wonder was mother ever good enough. As she could not be the BVM (Blassed Virgin Mary).

29. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

I’m most certainly a pastafarian – if I had a closet, my full pirate regalia would certainly be in it. Ramen.

As for Judaism, from my understanding of the Torah & various mystical sects associated with Zohar, etc. – salvation is much more envisioned as bringing about the end of alienation from God here on earth [collecting the shattered shards of Binah – the notion of Tikkun]. Unfortunately the more state – oriented among us interpret this as the founding of a greater Israel common in Zionist idealogy.

When Melrath first said “You don’t believe in an afterlife?” to an agnostic in that thread, I thought maybe he was joking…alas, no, he was quite serious.

And Mcat – I’m all for a wierd sense of paganism too. I consider myself a magical realist – MitM & I were discussing that a few months back…

30. bayprairie - 15 May 2007

that foto of falwell is to die for.

31. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

Oh, and Mcat, you’re welcome for the links. I don’t always get to read every link every day, so I just wanted to be sure…

MissD, I actually follow the Temple of Sekhmet. I give the cats whatever they want and in return they promise to rig it so I come back as a pampered housecat next time. Not a roach or mouse.

>^..^

32. marisacat - 15 May 2007

LOL and I found it pretty quick… on page 2 of the image google search… ;)

33. marisacat - 15 May 2007

How many people go down a water slide fully dressed in a suit… and possibly iwth shoes on. At least black socks were left on.

What a loon. And not a fun one, either.

monstrous man.

34. marisacat - 15 May 2007

ms xeno… speaking of cats. I advised Baby that Fancy Feast is on sale again at Safeway. Getting in a good word for myself. (Yes putting together and order for tomorrow… did not ask permission either)

35. missdevore - 15 May 2007

Breaking Commandments! Luscious Vagina caught in an act of theft:

“God just held a press conference…. (9+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Bionic, Darksyde888, mayan, bibble, arkylib, saucy monkey, liberalsouth, buhdydharma, zhimbo, kath25

“I just couldn’t take any more of his shit,” God told CNN shortly after the incident. “I’ve had it up to here with that bitch-ass punk.”

Be a Strong Democrat, and you will have my support. Be a Weak Democrat, and you can have Joe Lieberman’s support.

by Lucius Vorenus on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:42:32 PM PDT”

So either Luscious has an alterego–the guy who made the comment on Youtube……or he’s been reading Marisacat again, where I referred to the the Youtube guy’s quote in the previous thread.

36. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

pastafarian — an Italian with dreadlocks?

37. marisacat - 15 May 2007

lucid.

well if there is any connection left for me with Catholicism (and our house did not worship, father lapsed former altar boy, mother non-believer, she always corrected people who tried to apply “atheist”… ) it is that it is linked to the old religions. Rome had a big effect on me. Under so many Catholic hot spots there is an ancient temple.

Works for me. And when they carried JPII down the Bernini steps leading from the papal apartments… I was in heaven, the singing was so incredibly beautiful… it could have been any century.

But all this silly “belief” and selling the people on ‘devotion to god’ but be sure to plunk down the cash.

Bullshit.

38. missdevore - 15 May 2007

{waves to Tuston}

I think my comments are in slug.

39. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

pastafarian — an Italian with dreadlocks?

I linked to it the other day. I still gotta get me one of them ‘And he touched me with his noodley appendage’ teeshirts.

Hi Tuston. sorry to hear about Bubbie.

Mcat – christianity is really just a blend of other religious traditions the Jews enountered in the various exiles detailed in the Bible. One can see with the rise of the prophets strains of Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian and Greek religions within the latter books of the old testement and then the many Gospels [in the latter you also see some Platonism coming in – then again Plato was sort of a Zoroastrian anyways]. It’s likely that Jesus didn’t exist as an historical personage, but is an amalgam of various strains of Judaism advocated by different teachers under Roman rule.

40. missdevore - 15 May 2007

Marisacat–35 was the “lost comment” I guess I will repeat myself in about 5 minutes.

41. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

marisacat, I am from the Reform Temple of Sekhmet. I do not sacrifice dogs, though I am known to set a stuffed beanie baby dog on fire now and then.

Hope you are the same.

42. outofwater - 15 May 2007

SB-The scope of the scandal is overwhelming. The tragic part is the “consequence” of the election did was disclosure of the mess, no correction is even on the horizon. The Democrats don’t want real accountability lest they be accountable when its their turn at bat. The mission is to let make the public believe they are better, less corrupt, which, until recently they likely were, but no more.

If there is any doubt that the Democrats and Republicans are fighting for the same minuscule spot on the political continuum it is that impeachment proceedings against, at very least, Gonzales, have not commenced. The Comey testimony should be the only issue that crosses the lips of any member of the opposition party when speaking publicly. I’ve had NPR on today and for a moment MS-NBC, all the coverage is about the tragic loss of St. Falwell, what bullshit. It is nauseating.

43. marisacat - 15 May 2007

More broken news. They had to dig deep for a LT GEN.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

EXCLUSIVE: PRESIDENT BUSH CHOOSES LT. GEN. DOUGLAS LUTE AS NEW ‘WAR CZAR’ TO OVERSEE CONFLICTS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

FOR MORE DETAILS, WATCH ‘WORLD NEWS’ AT 6:30 P.M. ET

Read the story: Link to ABC News story

44. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

I believe in everything

45. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

“If there’s a Hell below
Falwell’s gonna go…”

— Curtis Mayfield (customized for the occasion)

46. missdevore - 15 May 2007

42-b-czar. lute will report directly to hadley & the prez. who the fuck is reporting to them now? add another layer of fluffer.

47. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

I think I might be in spam, not slug. I posted something around comment 37 with a link for jam.fuse… among other things.

48. marisacat - 15 May 2007

soorry for all delays.

Filters are acting up AND

I accidentally unplugged the computer… moving a radio into the same room and unplugged wrong cord from the surge protector.

I’ll figure out equipment yet!

49. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

add another layer of fluffer.

With all the fluffing going on in this administration you’d think the Republicans would bring impeachment proceedings.

50. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Tuston, sorry you have not found your puppy yet …. was wondering about that. Thanks for the link to the Moon/Falwell connection. It is beyond belief the power that lunatic, Moon has over this government yet his name is never mentioned in the media.

Lucid that thread is hysterical. It’s way over 1000 posts now. Who would have thought that the death of Jerry Falwell would spark a hilarious troll-rating war on Dk? Do they ever look at themselves the way others do? ‘Troll-rated for troll-rating abuse’ – ‘hypocrite, my troll-rating was for a troll comment’ etc. etc. And of course the elise brigade who can never resist lecturing and waving their hypocritical fingers can always be found in the middle of a troll-rating war. What better way to practice being a bully?

Which reminds me, the mob spent an untold number of hours finally forcing Reality Bias off the site (the circumcision guy) yesterday. Miss Blue (aptly named if you go with eternally angry and unhappy) lost it completely, cursing and swearing and attacking anyone who tried to reason with her. Those who tried to be reasonable, themselves became victims of the diary police. Again, the usual bullies (elise et al) were to be found justifying the virtual mob violence …..

Trollrated by:Ken in Tex

There is no proof that anyone gave infected blankets to the natives in America. The one instance where it is thought to have happened and we can document it (and where the documents only show that the idea was discussed, but never carried out) it was the British in Canada who were trying it–and the British are not known for having been Catholic.

Michael
Musing’s musings

by musing85 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:24:03 PM PDT

They are so in denial about the history of this country and it’s genocidal history against Native Americans. As for the British and Catholicism, he needs to study a little history. They certainly were known for being Catholic, depending on which monarch was in power at the time.

He must never have heard of Henry V111 who was a model Catholic until the Church refused to allow him to divorce his wife. England swung back and forth between being Catholic and Protestant for a while and atrocities were committed alternately against members of both religions. One reason the Founding Fathers wanted a separation of Church and State. European history taught them how dangerous theocratic states are.

Which brings me back to Jerry Falwell and his ilk, who would go back to the dark days when states mandated religious belief and those who refused to go along were burned at the stake. I’m glad he’s gone. The rise of these televangelists in this country has been a very dangerous thing and to discover that a nutcase like Moon is behind it, it’s just frightening.

51. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

From The Western Lands by William S. Burroughs:

The ancient Egyptians postulated seven souls.

Top soul, and the first to leave at the moment of death, is Ren, the Secret Name… He directs the film of your life from conception to death…

Second soul… is Sekkem: Energy, Power, Light. The Director gives the orders, Sekkem presses the right buttons.

Number three is Khu, the Guardian Angel… depicted as flying away across a full moon, a bird of luminous wings and head of light…

Number four is Ba, the heart, often treacherous. This is a hawk’s body with your face on it, shrunk down to the size of a fist…

Number five is Ka, the double… the only reliable guide through the Land of the Dead…

Number six is Khaibit, the Shadow, Memory, your whole past conditioning from this and other lives.

Number seven is Sekhu, the Remains.

Some crazy shit, whatever one believes or doesn’t.

52. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Charlie Cook in National Journal (unblocked) looks at Bloomberg running.

I am all for it. I surely will not vote for either Bloomberg NOR ofr Hagel… but the line up, both sides is not working. Hell there is nobody for me to vote for. Scabrous lying line up.

Anything to screw iwth Hillary and Obama playing Assasination Monopoly. Cannot begin to express how offensive that is to me. And Edwards as Southern White Christian Welfare Office manager.

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CBS is reporting a congressional approval rating of 29%. Bush at 33%

53. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Ba sounds a tad scary to be frank, jam.fuse

54. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

But I like my definition better, lucid. Me, me, me!!!

The Church of the Sub Genius is also a neat religion. Okay, back to serious things…

55. marisacat - 15 May 2007

lucid at 39,

agree on foundations of christianity or the christian stories anyway.. I was about 12 when I was first in Rome. St Peter In Chains in particular blew me away, over a temple to Mithra. Santa Maria Maggiore, where that criminal Bernard Law phones Jesus from… is over a series of ancient temples to various female entities and so on.

yes i don’t trouble myself about Jesus. There likely was someone like him, at some point.

The Convent was not into the Bible… nor the Baltimore Catechism either… much emphasis on the saints and Mary.

And very early on when we were little we were told that all things have a soul, streams rocks etc.

Pure animism. I just grabbed that and held on. Worked for me… ;)

I ws spared the mess of hard core Catholicism. The sort Lucius dispenses in his hideous fashion. the stench of religion.

56. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

the stuff of nightmares, marisa.

that, and planet earth.

57. missdevore - 15 May 2007

Thought just went thru my head (I’m on the one-a-day plan):

Are cell phones a problem during religious services?

Or just those text messages from Hillary?

58. marisacat - 15 May 2007

well let’s forget the infected blankets.
The excavations from indians buried on (or near, cannot quite recall) the missions here in CA… they show clear evidence of slave level hard work, malnutrition and worse.
I can go with that… and let Musing85 (a real skunk) debate with himself about the damned blankets.

59. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

I have some friends who are ministers in the CSG.

60. missdevore - 15 May 2007

I use to use the Mystical Smoking head of Bob to choose between equally valid choices on mundane matters.

61. marisacat - 15 May 2007

jam.fuse at 56

I ahve long said “planet earth is tough address”.

I laugh when I say it … but it is not joke.

62. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.

P. 202, “Adolph Hitler” by John Toland

63. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

SB – “Do they ever look at themselves the way others do? ”

If they did, they probably wouldn’t be there. No self-consciousness. Merely a bully culture of backslapping and faux concern.

64. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007
65. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Bit of a muddle this, from matt taibbi (dated the 9th so it may be old news) but there is this:

What I do know is this; there are elements of the Democratic-crafted Iraq supplemental that are not only severely regressive but would actually tend to encourage the continuation of the insurgency.

Anyone who wants an example of why the areas in which the Democrats and Republicans are in agreement are more significant than the ones in which they differ need only look at the two parties nearly unanimous endorsement of the “Benchmarks” the Iraqi government must meet, according to the supplemental. The key passage reads as follows:

(2) whether the Government of Iraq is making substantial progress in meeting its commitment to pursue reconciliation initiatives, including a hydro-carbon law…

It is notable that the hydrocarbon law comes in first place in this clause, ahead of “legislation necessary for the conduct of provincial and local elections,” reform of de-Baathification laws, amendments to the constitution and allocation of revenues for reconstruction projects.

For whether or not it really was “all about oil” at the beginning of the war, the fate of the occupation really does hinge almost entirely upon oil initiatives now, as the continued presence of U.S. troops in the region may depend on whether or not the Iraqi government bites the bullet and decides to eat the proposed hydrocarbon law in question [snip]

66. jam.fuse - 15 May 2007

arggh, lost in spam again…

signing off, peece/luv to all

67. marisacat - 15 May 2007

jam.fuse, think that is it at # 64.

68. marisacat - 15 May 2007

oh The News Hour has pulled up Andy YOung to speak for Wolfowitz. Perfect, someone from the Civil Rights era who has completely covered himself in shame.

69. missdevore - 15 May 2007

weird stuff happening on wordpress. my “masthead” pic at je blague is gone. Is Luscious stealing my stuff?

70. missdevore - 15 May 2007

68. NO.

71. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Outofwater #42 –

The Comey testimony should be the only issue that crosses the lips of any member of the opposition party when speaking publicly

Yes, and it should have happened years ago, at least when he resigned and all this was already known. You are right – both parties are involved in the protection of the worst band of criminals ever to be in charge of this country.

The fact that ALL of the criminals, regardless of how much is revealed about their crimes, are still in office is all the proof we need. And the silence of the Democrats – never referring to the crimes when they have the opportunity. I have given up that there will be any accountability, for Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Perle, Hadley, and a whole host of others, too many to name, all of whom have betrayed this country in every way possible. That nothing has been done to rid us of them, is simply unbeleivable.

Meantime the appeasers, dk and their ilk, focus on miniscule statistics while the country goes to hell. And no one can claim they did not know. The German people may or may not have known, but we KNOW that thousands of innocents are being detained and probably tortured or killed. That hundreds of thousands have been slaughtered and tortured and we know who is responsible.

Congress is a disgrace. I despise them all. Except for the few lone voices (who are being smeared mostly), there is not one of them I trust anymore.

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering who is in charge of our Foreign Policy these days:

Onward Christian Soldiers – to Iran

Bush met with Dobson and conservative Christian leaders to rally support for Iran policy

Source: Max Blumenthal

President George W. Bush met privately with Focus on the Family Founder and Chairman James Dobson and approximately a dozen Christian right leaders last week to rally support for his policies on Iraq, Iran and the so-called “war on terror.”

“I was invited to go to Washington DC to meet with President Bush in the White House along with 12 or 13 other leaders of the pro-family movement,” Dobson disclosed on his radio program Monday. “And the topic of the discussion that day was Iraq, Iran and international terrorism. And we were together for 90 minutes and it was very enlightening and in some ways disturbing too.”

Details of the meeting were disclosed by Dobson during Monday’s edition of his Focus on the Family radio program.

Dobson described Bush as “upbeat and determined and convinced,” adding, “I wish the American people could have sat in on that meeting we had.”

I wonder was Fallwell there – I wish the American people were even considered to be part of this country anymore. The Crusades are in full swing. I wouldn’t be surprised if these nutcases take Fallwell’s death as a sign that god is angry they have not yet nuked Iran! Nothing would surprise me.

72. marisacat - 15 May 2007

MissDevore. yes

He said this is all “bureaucratic crap” and that Wolfoewitz was forging a “third world coaltion”.

Holy fucking shit.

I am so sick of the sell outs. ESP with a bureaucratic hidey hole called “Good Works Inc”.

73. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Honestly I don’t think the American people were ever considered a part. I really don’t. Twice in thsi country poor people could be spoken of, FDR and LBJ.

Both times only due to great national movements across decades.

The real tragedy is so much is gone… and no one in power and no one seeking power will restore any of it…. We at least had the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

But not now. Now we only have foreign war, which is even worse than just “empire”. OH and god damned fuckign religion.

74. missdevore - 15 May 2007

72-like Vernon Jordan trying to get Monica Lewinsky a new job. priorities. And Jesse Jackson giving spiritual advice to Clinton post-Monica.

I guess Young’s take on it was public at least by April 30th in the Wap editorial:

“I am a Protestant Christian minister, a product of America’s excessive Puritanism. I’ve always looked to Europe for sophistication, temperance and the tolerance the world needs to survive. It is my appeal that we offer Paul Wolfowitz the same chance to learn from the misjudgments of the past and move on together to construct a more just, prosperous and nonviolent world.”

and in order to do that we must take care of our ladyfriends. a man must have what he must have, after all.

we must forgive all transgressions when we look at the ultimate value of the man…..hmm…where else is that practiced?

75. missdevore - 15 May 2007

71-Sabrina–we’re about as likely to find out which xtian preachers met with bush over Iran as we are to get the dope on cheney’s meeting with the energy folks.

76. marisacat - 15 May 2007

well we can guess some. Bauer, Ralph Reed, Perkins. Land of the effing Baptists. I would bet Rick Warren tho he touts a more wealthy suburban libertarian line.

TD Jakes would be another.

77. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Also Franklin Graham of Samaritan’s Purse.

78. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Well Clinton had EVERYBODY in post Monica. So he could pacify all groups. It was disgusting.

79. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Andy Young made a fool of himself. He is like all the old Dems in the Hosue. Lost inside his personal “story” and his greatness.

When they have the transcript from TNH up will post it. he rambled.

80. bayprairie - 15 May 2007

huge nest of links headed directly to spam.

81. marisacat - 15 May 2007

OK… watching for it in the Spam file. Not there yet…

82. bayprairie - 15 May 2007

good link jam.fuse. allow me to go deeper into the horrible hatred found in the details. sorry about the length.

There is no proof that anyone gave infected blankets to the natives in America. The one instance where it is thought to have happened and we can document it (and where the documents only show that the idea was discussed, but never carried out) it was the British in Canada who were trying it–and the British are not known for having been Catholic.

by musing85 on Tue May 15, 2007 at 12:24:03 PM PDT

musing85’s facts are sloppy.

from wikipedia

The hostility between the British and Native Americans after the French and Indian War led to one of the first documented attempts at biological warfare in North American history. In response to the 1763 uprising known as Pontiac’s Rebellion, Amherst suggested using smallpox as a weapon for ending the rebellion. In a series of letters to his subordinate Colonel Henry Bouquet, the two men discussed the possibility of infecting the attacking Indians with smallpox through gifts of blankets that had been exposed to the disease. Apparently unbeknownst to both Amherst and Bouquet, the commander at Fort Pitt had already attempted this very tactic.

Fort Pitt, for mr musing’s information, was located in Pennsylvania and Pontiac’s Rebellion occured beginning in 1763. There was no United States. everyone in the colonies, including local militia, were british subjects.

Where he gets canada, I have no idea. This is a map of the areas bounding the confict. i’m also curious as to statement regarding “There is no proof”. i suppose he insists on coroner’s reports assigning cause of death.

laughable.

* Colonel Henry Bouquet to General Amherst, dated 13 July 1763, [262k] suggests in a postscript the distribution of blankets to “inocculate the Indians”;

* Amherst to Bouquet, dated 16 July 1763, [128k] approves this plan in a postscript and suggests as well as “to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race.” (This postcript spans two pages.)

These letters also discuss the use of dogs to hunt the Indians, the so-called “Spaniard’s Method,” which Amherst approves in principle, but says he cannot implement because there are not enough dogs. In a letter dated 26 July 1763, Bouquet acknowledges Amherst’s approval [125k] and writes, “all your Directions will be observed.”

Historian Francis Parkman, in his book The Conspiracy of Pontiac and the Indian War after the Conquest of Canada [Boston: Little, Brown, 1886] refers to a postscript in an earlier letter from Amherst to Bouquet wondering whether smallpox could not be spread among the Indians:

Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox among those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them. [Vol. II, p. 39 (6th edition)]

I have not found this letter, but there is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, [189k] three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.

It is curious that the specific plans to spread smallpox were relegated to postscripts. I leave it to the reader to ponder the significance of this.
Several other letters from the summer of 1763 show the smallpox idea was not an anomaly. The letters are filled with comments that indicate a genocidal intent, with phrases such as:

* “…that Vermine … have forfeited all claim to the rights of humanity” (Bouquet to Amherst, 25 June) [149k]

* “I would rather chuse the liberty to kill any Savage….” (Bouquet to Amherst, 25 June) [121k]

* “…Measures to be taken as would Bring about the Total Extirpation of those Indian Nations” (Amherst to Sir William Johnson, Superintendent of the Northern Indian Department, 9 July) [229k]

* “…their Total Extirpation is scarce sufficient Attonement….” (Amherst to George Croghan, Deputy Agent for Indian Affairs, 7 August) [145k]

* “…put a most Effectual Stop to their very Being” (Amherst to Johnson, 27 August [292k]; emphasis in original).

::snip:::

As to whether the plans actually were carried out, Parkman has this to say:

… in the following spring, Gershom Hicks, who had been among the Indians, reported at Fort Pitt that the small-pox had been raging for some time among them….

83. missdevore - 15 May 2007

78–I so remember when he dragged the entire female members of the cabinet out to the first press conference of denial. was Reno out there, too? can’t remember, can’t find a pic.

84. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

The Blame Game …

Neocon tactics when caught red-handed – blame someone else. Wofowitz leads the way by invoking ‘pragmatism’ and as expected, blaming someone else. In this case, his girlfriend:

Bank rebukes Wolfowitz on Ethics

And he obliges by proving them to be correct …. lol!

In a written response, Wolfowitz maintained that he acted in good faith in seeking to resolve an obvious conflict of interest. He accused the bank’s ethics committee of forcing him to oversee the raise for his longtime companion, Shaha Riza, as compensation for her transfer to a different job. The ethics panel was afraid to confront her, Wolfowitz said, because its members knew she was “extremely angry and upset.”

……..

“Its members did not want to deal with a very angry Ms. Riza, whose career was being damaged as a result of their decision,” Wolfowitz said in his response to the investigating committee’s report. “It would only be human nature for them to want to steer clear of her.”

Wolfowitz added that the chairman of the ethics panel thought that “due to my personal relationship with Ms. Riza, I was in the best position to persuade her to take out-placement and thereby achieve the ‘pragmatic solution’ the committee desired.”

Wolfowitz effectively blamed Riza for his predicament as well, saying that her “intractable position” in demanding a salary increase as compensation for her career disruption forced him to grant one to pre-empt a lawsuit. He is scheduled to appear before the board this afternoon. The board is expected to begin deliberating on how to respond as soon as tonight. Board members are inclined to issue a resolution expressing a lack of confidence in Wolfowitz’s leadership, senior bank officials said.

Next Rudy Giuliani, in the limelight because of his ego-driven pursuit of power, as expected, the real Giuliani is emerging. Responding to charges that he demonstrated poor emergency planning by builing his command center in WTC7 he blames his former aide:

Giuliani Blames Aide for Putting Emergency Command Center in WTC7

What a fool he was to think he could run for president without having the truth come out about ‘America’s Mayor’! Too bad it took six long years for the country to learn what most NYers knew about Rudy Giuliani.

Next to try the ‘blame someone else’ tactic is Alberto Gonzales who now blames McNulty for US Attorneygate:

Gonzales lays U.S. Attorneys’ firings on his departing No. 2

They are cowards willing to send others to their deaths while profiting from the slaughter. There is not an iota of integrity amongst all of them put together.

There is one more name to add, but I’ve lost the link. Richard Perle now blames George Bush for the failure in Iraq. Lol! He himself had nothing to do with planning the destruction of the entire ME despite warnings that it would be the disaster we are now witnessing. He called those who warned against it ‘terrorist supporters’.

I doubt any of them will pay any price for their crimes, but at least there’s the satisfaction of watching them reveal themselves for what they are and knowing that their lives are miserable no matter how much stolen money they’ve acculated.

85. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

Marisacat:

Lost inside his personal “story” and his greatness.

[snerk] That must be where the Blahgers pick it up from.

Marcotte is writing a book. I’m excited. As I’m sure you are, too. :p

86. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Miss devore I surely do remember that one.

I also wasted some time in Bill’s “testimony”… and heard him say on tape that as Monica “was young”, he “knew” she “would talk about it”. stupid with a plan I guess that is called.

And a few other things… her really rather innocent (meaning she did nto catch the entirety of what she was saying) testimony. I dragged myself thru her telling of the 11 “trysts”… he is very practised at all of that.

Which is fine. I don’t care what they do, but he was stupid. I still maintian Monica (unbeknowst to herslef) was a sting.

They could not out his relationship with d’Andrea Tyson… I suspect there was no trackable trail… married, older, able to beat them back if she had to. But a Monica, being set up by Tripp and so on.

What a mess.

********************

bay fantastic post, thanks for that… and to jam.fuse too.

I fixated on the Catholicism of musing85 (that skunk) and went for the burial sites adjacent to the mssions.

Lotta sick boyos over there in the weedy orange.

87. marisacat - 15 May 2007

ms xeno.

LOL she is on schedule. Bowers mader her some great Democratic victim – to the Blahgers who only read each other…. When really she was naive and pliable. Ready to do all for Edwards. what a joke.

But he forgave her… ;)

88. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

Well, Mcat, I suppose she can’t be any more sloppy, long-winded and boring than Valenti.

Maybe Berube’ and Pollitt will wrestle for the chance to write the intro.

89. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

I too am lost in spam … lol, it’s been a bad spam day.

Excellent, excellent post, Bayprairie, thank you. And thanks to jam.fuse also. So hard for some to acknowledge the truth about this country’s history, as if they can change it by denying it.

Miss D, Dobson has a big mouth so he may leak a few names as it makes him feel important to appear to be ‘in the know’.

90. bayprairie - 15 May 2007

in a juror’s sense i suppose there really is no possibility of a “beyond a shadow of a doubt” proof that the attempts led directly to mass infections. its circumstantial. but there is proof of intent. and there is proof of attempt. it’s a documented instance of biological warfare accepted by historians. whether or not the attacks were successful is the historians’ argument.

yet even if the smallpox infections occured by other means, the attacks are no fable, nor is the racist hatred. one can see the workings of evil minds.

91. marisacat - 15 May 2007

at the moment everyone is out of spam and moderation.

5:00 pm

check up thread. Should be there.
;)

92. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

So many books, they are all writing books – mcjoan, hunter, amanda marcotte, valenti – a dime a dozen. They so want to emulate the right. They are desperate to find their own version of Ann Coulter, in the sense that they want to be ‘famous’! But since they only read and comment about each other, I doubt there is much of an audience for their ramblings outside of their ‘family’ as they like to call it.

And since not one of them has much if any, writing talent, (not required according to kos) and none of them are experts on anything, I hope for their sake, that like the rightwing, they have their own version of Richard Melon Scaiffe ready to buy up their efforts in bulk to give the appearance that someone is reading what they produce.

93. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Thanks marisacat -

94. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

Bwahaha. Not coming soon to a feminist BBB near you:

Hey Girls, Hillary Thinks You’re Dumb.

…Still, they have something Hillary wants — and may even need. So go do an Oprah and make cooing noises at them — “talk about their lives.” And maybe just enough of the poor naive things, conscience-stricken over electoral duty undone, will turn out to put Hillary over — though they could hardly find a candidate with a clearer track record of promoting poverty and war than Mommy-in-Chief Clinton… — Michael J. Smith at SMBIVA

95. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Bowers mader her some great Democratic victim marisacat

Well, he tried, but didn’t get much support for that airc. In a diary at dk, trying to drum up support for her, he got a very bad reception. I think he was surprised although I don’t know why.

A diary about some blogger who lost a job when so many other issues were absorbing the attention of those who care about something outside the narrow confines of the BBB world, really was an excercise in futility.

It was old by then and most people just wanted it and her to go away. I did think he wanted support not so much for her, but the whole thing put a huge dent in all of their ambitions. They envisioned themselves all being hired as bloggers for campaigns. Looks like now that the Candidates do not want to be burned as Edwards was so they’ve hired their own bloggers.

They need to get out more … into the real world … too much incestuous intermingling makes them dull, not to mention boring.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 May 2007

I vote for Oscar Wilde and Tennessee Williams to occupy ole’ Jerry for eternity, though sadly I know that there is no eternity. Still, a nice thought, Wilde’s cutting wit and William’s scorn lashing that fraud. Just imagine:

TENNESSEE: Are you really– attracted by me?
OSCAR: Very much indeed.
TENNESSEE: But I wish he’d notice me too.
OSCAR:Of course! Because he’s a trashy southern MAN! You’ve won. But look at him, damn it! Don’t pretend. You haven’t missed a word of what we’ve said.
JERRY: Quite so; not a word. I stuck my fingers in my ears, for fear that you’d fulfill my secret dream to stick yours’ somewhere else. Silly chatter. Now will you leave me in peace, you two? I’m not interested in you, really, I’m not.
OSCAR: Not in me, perhaps–but how about Tinky Winky? Aren’t you interested in her, ummmm him? Oh, I saw through your game; you got on your high horse just to impress her, ummm him.
JERRY: I asked you to leave me in peace. There’s someone talking about me on the Fox News and I want to listen. And, if it’ll make you any happier, let me tell you that I’ve no use for the “child,” as you call Tennessee, let alone Tinky Winky.
TENNESSEE: Thanks.
JERRY: Oh, I didn’t mean it rudely.
TENNESSEE: You cad!
JERRY: So that’s that. You know I begged you not to speak.
TENNESSEE: It’s his fault; he started. I didn’t ask anything of him and he came and offered me his- ummm, well, you know.
OSCAR: So you say. But all the time you were making up to him, trying every trick to catch his attention.
TENNESSEE: Well, why shouldn’t I?
JERRY: You’re crazy, both of you. Don’t you see where this is leading us? For pity’s sake, keep your mouths shut. Now let’s all sit down again quite quietly; we’ll look at the floor and each must try to forget the others are there.

97. marisacat - 15 May 2007

5:32 PT

Just let Sabrina out of spam and Madman out of moderation. Or the reverse.
;)

98. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Lol, ms x, all I know is she wants to bomb Iran. Sure she says she’ll end the war in IRAQ! But she has yet to say she will not start one in Iran! ‘Everything is on the table’ remember! Lol! She is the Warrior Queen! I wonder if she’s tried on a flight suit yet?

She needs to be back at her job in the Senate, pushing to end this war NOW! And making sure that any clause advocating the theft of Iraq’s oil is removed from any bill going to the WH. I intend to call her office tomorrow to ask why she is talking about ending the war two years from now. And about that oil clause.

99. marisacat - 15 May 2007

ugh she and Melissa really ran the victim shit. All the way to the Tank in NY.

I thought the whole thing, all sides was a huge mess.

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 May 2007

His Noodly Last Supper, with some good meat sauce, I hope.

101. wilfred - 15 May 2007

Please tell me Falwell died in the arms of his dominatrix, after a severe cat-o-nine tails session.

102. marisacat - 15 May 2007

well it did rather smell of a “story”. “collapsed in his office”..

LOL

103. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

Could somebody please trollrate wilfred ? That is just an image I don’t need in my head, especially when I’m already ill.

(0+/5,327-)

Never mind. I took care of it. :p

SB, she doesn’t want it ended. None of them do. Women’s rights are just more cheap perfume for them to cover up their sleaze with. We deserve so much better, but we need to change the system so we can stop begging and start demanding.

Again, that’s my rationale for voting for the semi-literate tree-huggers. :p

Speaking of which, I saw that Mcat linked to Kevin Zeese in the earlier thread. Clearly my affection is contagious. [Evil laugh, followed by lots of hacking up things almost as scary as the inside of wilfred’s brain.]

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 May 2007

even if you forget about the damned blankets, don’t get me started on the Mission schools run by the fucking churches, INCLUDING the damn Catholics, and their zealous drive to destroy any vestige of their own culture and language in Indian children placed under their charge. CULTURAL and RELIGIOUS genocide, and it’ll take many, many years of actively pursued Liberation Theology to undo the crime (and I’m well aware that musing and his self-loathing ilk have NO truck w/ liberation theology).

105. wilfred - 15 May 2007

oh ms_xeno, if you already have Nelson Rockefeller in your brain under ‘kinky endings’, just replace that file :)

106. marisacat - 15 May 2007

oh this is TOO funny, from Madman email:

I fear the tinky winky doll was
crushed in mid thrust as he collapsed.

Maybe we can save the purse? chest compressions for the purse!

107. missdevore - 15 May 2007

oh come on. more likely it was that 9th piece of semi-raw bacon from breakfast that got trapped in his gullet.

108. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Oh my fther’s famous line when Bloomingdale bought it… someone said he probably drooled while his mistress rode him (which apparently she did, he on all fours and she straddling his back, well whatever!)… and my father looked up and said:
from which end?

109. missdevore - 15 May 2007

Mcat grew up in a family of cats.

110. lucidculture - 15 May 2007

MitM – where is St. Peter [the rabbit] in that one?

I may be extremely ambivalent about South Park, but that Easter one was hilarious.

As for the Hillary the vampire, in her speeches immediately after 9-11, I could literally see the blood in her eyes – kind of like that movie ‘Event Horizon’. At that moment I knew I could never, ever support her again [I actually did vote for her in 2000]. Well – her husband was a warmonger too, so it shouldn’t have surprised me.

111. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

CHEAP PERFUME — lyrics by the Alpha Band*

I hate your diamonds
And you cheap perfume
And the way that you pose
When you walk into the room
Why should I deny
All your sleazy lies ?

I’m peeking in your boudoir
Through your negligee’
And all the flimsy reasons
For the stupid things you say
Why should I deny
All your sleazy lies ?

C’est La Vie, C’est La Vie
C’est Si Bon, C’est Si Bon

All your props are phoney
They’re just symbols of the way
You could kiss me last night
And not remember me today
Why should I deny
All your sleazy lies ?

*T-Bone Burnett’s outfit, back in the Seventies

112. missdevore - 15 May 2007

lucid-bill was not a warmonger. just a whoremonger in every sense of the word.bill liked “mojo” & blowjo

113. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

[Drinks stealthily from wilfred’s glass, passing on the ick microbes.]

:p

Oh, lucid. Don’t you WANT a woman who opportunistically married a shallow, self-serving, philandering asshole (and stays with him for the most shallow of reasons) to lecture working, poor and working poor women about the moral values of the DP and the joy of numbly punching the box for it ?

I sure do. Maybe she’ll flash the Mal-Wart smiley face she doubtless still has tattooed somewhere.

[Hack.]

114. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 May 2007

Peter was a major part of the course of Pappardelle with rabbit sauce served at the meal, as many of the Pastafarians present had no patience for the Italian food that Leonardo kept insisting on. They were too lazy to run to the market, so poor Peter had to be sacrificed before His Noodlage. Being a Saint, he was one happy rabbit to make the sacrifice in his Lord’s service.

115. ms_xeno - 15 May 2007

I’m going to drink from Madman’s glass, too. This sort of evil must be punished swiftly and with strong will.

116. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Out of spam:

madman (2)

ms xeno (1)

117. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Lol, I have to agree re the image Wilfred conjured up – definitely troll-rate worthy. Is it possible he was on the DC Madame’s list?

You are right, ms x and I think you have a lot of company this time re both parties. An honest tree-hugger is beginning to look more and more appealing and if enough people begin to feel that way, 2008 could be an interesting year.

I agree with Marisacat regarding Bloomberg, I hope he does get into the race … not that I like him, I do not, but it might stop the momentum of Hillary and Obama and that can’t be anything but positive. We need a miracle!

Oh, btw, another Republican Presidential Debate is on tonight. Fox, I think. In case anyone cares.

118. Tuston - 15 May 2007

I bet Jerry died of an OD of some “prescribed” drug or other…either that or a particularly vigorous “pegging” session caused a coronary.

Moving on…The Catholic Spanish, torture skills honed from the Inquisition, routinely worked “Indians” to death in their mines among their various other civilizing practices.

Working in the strip club this afternoon, I had a local bi lingual radio station on and the DJ had a real hard time trying to translate “war czar”…he had to just laugh and say “no puede tranducir”…”it can’t be translated”…

119. marisacat - 15 May 2007

well the “czar” is a three star. The whole thing dies before it gets going. Aside from all who refused it…

120. Tuston - 15 May 2007

Speaking of Pastafrians…the Annual Rainbow Gathering of North American Tribes (often erroneously called “the national”) has Pastafarian “Kitchen” that serves spaghetti to the assembled masses…crazy kooks out of NYC feed the kidz and shout “Jah Pastafari” at every opportunity…they make the ultimate “herbal” garlic bread.

121. Tuston - 15 May 2007

Well, the Office of the Drug Czar has worked out so spectacularly (/not) that I’m sure that this new Czar will work out similarly…

122. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Lol, you people are all sick … but I do remember the stories about Rockefeller! Thanks again, Wilfred for an image better forgotten.

Cheap Perfume! I bet there are a lot of DC big shots singing that tune these days, ms x.

I fear the tinky winky doll was
crushed in mid thrust as he collapsed.

Omg, that is hilarious, Mitm.

And don’t forget Dobson’s obsession with Spongebob Squarepants! I mean what dirty minds they have. They see sex even in innocent children’s toys. And then they feel obliged to share their sick fantasies with the rest of us.

123. Tuston - 15 May 2007

The Border Patrol Checkpoint on I-19 has really pissed off the local affluent white folks and Gabby Giffords is doing her best to kiss ass:

Video Link

BTW They interview Carol Cullen, pretzldent of the Chamber of Commerce, and the one who couldn’t find my name on the voter rolls last Nov…

124. Miss Devore - 15 May 2007

I’m watching the republican thang on fox via computer video. watched the studio audience rate the first segment-which I missed. they seem to lean towards Huckabee, even if one pronounced his name Hucksabee.

right now brownback is going on about the precious fetus resulting from rape or incest.

125. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Can you imagine if Brownback got pregnant from a rape?

126. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 May 2007

I can’t even imagine Brownback getting laid.

127. missdevore - 15 May 2007

ron Paul is trying to explain blowback after rudy pulled his 9/11 creds out to big applause, and asked him to retract his statement.

128. Tuston - 15 May 2007

Can you imagine if Brownback got pregnant from a rape?

I bet he dreams about it every night…

129. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

Rudy has only false 9/11 creds. I’m glad Ron Paul is there to try to stop the bullshit from him. And whatever else can be said about Paul, he has really studied the history of US foreign involvement.

He has stated that we should consider that the policies to fight Communism, Terrorism or whatever, were wrong. And that terror attacks are blowback from foreign policies that supported the worst kind of dictators who preyed on their own people. That of course is heresy to both Dems and Repubs.

130. missdevore - 15 May 2007

with the exception of mccain they are all pro-torture. rudy suggesting that 9/11 happened for our failure to torture, essentially. to big applause.

I like their time bell, cuz it’s like a game show bell. cuz it’s a game show.

131. marisacat - 15 May 2007

hmm maybe Rudy could read Chalmers Johnson.

Too much work, I would guess. And no fun. Also no one will pay Rudy to read. Just to speak.

Guess that makes him a Chatty Cathy doll.

132. Tuston - 15 May 2007

vis-a-vis torure

Well, we’re all pro torture since Jack Bauer made it cool (love the latest Law and Order iterations of it (/not))

When “they” come for me I just hope the give me the BZbefore the waterboarding..I’m a veteran tripper and I think it might inoculate me for what would be comming

When they come to take you down when they bring that wagon round
When they come to call on you and drag your poor body down

Just one thing I ask of you, just one thing for me
Please forget you know my name, my darling sugaree
Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me
Shake it, shake it sugaree, just dont tell them that you know me

133. BooHooHooMan - 15 May 2007

Uhm I got my report card back on my Philly race prediction. I hope the graph is still visible

134. marisacat - 15 May 2007
135. marisacat - 15 May 2007

oh the Armed Services committee, all of them sold us out on Torture. Whatshisname reported it in the Village voice. cannot think of his name. Tracks the SC but sadly also serves on the Democrats for Life board.

Nat Hentoff. That’s the one.

he should do Jewish penance as he was eazy sqeezy on the war too.

136. Sabrina Ballerina - 15 May 2007

So Nutter won the nomination – looks like the party got what it wanted and the boyz, and Adamb will be drinking liberally to celebrate. But as you said, Bhhm, I am certain they had nothing to do with the outcome. But as they always do, they will take credit for it.

Those were great posts, btw, Bhhm. They made the race more understandable to me since I knew nothing about the candidates.

137. supervixen - 15 May 2007

So much to catch up on. I took a gander at part of the debacle related to the Reality Bias character. This is my favorite comment from those I’ve read in that thread:

Daily Kos is NOT a democracy. (2+ / 0-)

I don’t know how many times that can be repeated.

It just is NOT. There are rules here…they are made by Markos and some admins…there’s no democratic system here.

by Elise on Tue May 15, 2007 at 10:49:44 AM PDT

It’s unseemly the way she gets off on that idea. The Fascist Bimbo.

Well, it’s true that the Nazis had fab uniforms and uber sexy boots.

The problem is, the childish phrasing “It just is NOT” conjures up the image of Elise, togged out in her Night Porter outfit, stamping her tiny jackbooted foot and bleating like a first grader on the playground.

It’s easy to see how fascism and totalitarianism can take root in a society, as we watch the volk going insane on their Tiny Island….

Tiny Island,
In the sun,
Ranting morons
Having their fun….

I’m thinking of Don Ho this evening, as I picked up a wickedly wonderful vintage Hawaiian shirt (genuinely made in genuine Hawaii!!) for $15 at a second-hand shop, just in time for this weekend’s frozen drinks party.

All of you vipes are invited.

138. supervixen - 15 May 2007

MCat, do I understand you correctly – you were taught animism by Catholics? My mind boggles. Though St Francis seemed to be leaning in that direction.

I agree about the Church having kept much of the paganism – they knew what worked for people. Supposedly St Patrick was instrumental in protecting the sacred wells of Ireland.

It was in part marketing (“how do we convince these pagan dudes to convert??”), and in part glomming on to the powerful energies that were already there. All put together = baldfaced opportunism and manipulation.

Easter and Christmas are my beloved holidays because their imagery is almost entirely pagan. I love the Russian/Ukrainian easter eggs, pysanky, because they are so beautiful and because they contain so many pagan symbols (while at the same time “passing” as Orthodox Christian).

139. marisacat - 15 May 2007

SV

Oh I love ‘Fascist Bimbo’. Good one. Night Porter.. well i rather suspect the looks dept could not keep up. Great movie.

****

Oh yes the nuns at the Convent were nto conventional. The order answered to Rome. Not to any parish.. and barely at all under the thumb of the archbishop. The nuns brought a dowry to enter the order.

There was a “serving order” of sisters (mostly Irsh and some from Central America, I can still remember some of them, not all spoke English)… the nuns being called “Mother” from mere…. it was a French order founded at the time of the Revolution.

We were very little. And it was a class given up in the Flood library, it ws meant to imprint. They took us up there for instructions that were meant to be apart from the day to day… And at the same time they taught that there is no sin, to take food if hungry. God means for no one to go hungry.

They were not conventional.

LOL years later I remember the Reverend Mother coming up from the Menlo school (on the peninsula south of SF) she drove a convertible red cadillac and honked her way up Broadway, at least for a couple of blocks, to the school.

What a hoot!

140. marisacat - 15 May 2007

Oh sure the church adapted to what ws on the ground… no question… PR, sure. No question again.

But still, the reverberations are there. And I reject the power grid as I call it. Not at all interested in the glop.

141. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2007

I have to catch up on this thread but I have to say that this trip to dkos was definitely worth it. :)

142. marisacat - 15 May 2007

oh that is a HOOT!!

and for once not posted by FillyFilly. Or whatever her name


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