Agitator Thread… ;)

Agitator Thread… ;) 18 May 2007

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Viva La Revolucion!.
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Civil Rights era pin. Made to capitalise on the press and citizens’ councils attacks on “outside agitators”…

I love it when they clean and groom one another, same stench rising as over NCLB:

But Kennedy, the Senate’s consummate dealmaker — still indefatigable at 75 — pushed hard at his fellow Democrats, wavering Republican moderates, and even members of the Bush administration, insisting that the deal-makers work all night Wednesday to beat the deadline imposed by the Senate leadership.

Yesterday, the two Cabinet secretaries — both of whom have been subjects of Kennedy broadsides in the past — lauded the Democrats’ aging lion as the one indispensable player in the negotiating process.

“He’s awesome,” gushed Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff , as he left a news conference announcing the bipartisan agreement. “I’d say he was one of the critical leaders in putting together this deal.”

Awww. What would we ever have done without our Liberal Lions. Now aging. IMO they cannot get off the stage quick enough.

Health care anyone? SIngle payer? In 1973 Kennedy was an architect of the HMO legislation, promised to a still restive (oh yes) nation as a “building block to national health care”… his words.

Not quite.

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Comments

1. brinn - 18 May 2007: I **love** the agitator threads!

Tuston, so sorry to hear about Bubbie — I had a young dog (14 months) die by car about 9 years back…hit and run, he died in my arms on the way to the vet. I feel you. Take good care!

re the above: they *all* need to go, as far as I’m concerned, few scarce few exceptions…..
2. bayprairie - 18 May 2007: I find it hard to read between the the lines of two sentences.

Murder

Yes, Philadelphia is worse than Baghdad, but as I suggested earlier it really doesn’t impact me as I live in that neighborhood known as “Center City” where you can see there’s only one red dot.

But for the much of the rest of the city there’s a whole bunch of killing going on.

the minimalist blogger. so what point is being made by that?

here’s where the links lead. somehow mr. brevity’s point is all balled up with this.

Stop-and-frisk controversy: What price for a safer city?

“The empirical evidence from New York City is that stop-and-frisk as a policy for getting guns off the street helped. I think that’s fair to say. The fact is that more surveillance in society tends to be effective,” said University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt.

“The only question is, where do you want to set the level of surveillance? It’s a cost-benefit analysis,” he said. Cities need to weigh the potential benefits against “liberty interests and the inevitable racial disparities and increased complaints of police misconduct” that have followed such programs, he said.

Nutter, for his part, is unswayed.

“We will protect people’s civil rights, but no one has a right to carry an illegal weapon,” he said in a recent debate. “People are desperately crying out for something to be done now. People have a right to be safe and not to be shot.”
3. AlanSmithee - 18 May 2007: Speaking of agitation, there certainly seems to be lots of it in the War Party these days:

Republican Leaders Attempt to Ban Ron Paul from Future Debates

“Saul Anuzis, chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, will circulate a petition among fellow Republican leaders to attempt to ban Ron Paul from participating in future Republican Party Debates”

With the Other War Party nom all but sewn up, I suppose this is the only horse race left with any suspense to it.
4. marisacat - 18 May 2007: I SO want Bloomberg and or Hagel, in any combination to enter. just to throw a huge messy wrench in the deal.

Both line ups all of the 18 damned are wretched. I hope for some tiny sparks from Gravel, Paul and early slight whatevers from Kucinich. Then of course, soon enough, they fade.

So we need a big wrinkle. Just for fun, there is no one for me to vote for.

AND i want to break Assassination Monopoly games from Hillary and Barack.

Borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring. And offensive.
5. marisacat - 18 May 2007: transcript is not up yet, but Amy/Democracy NOW! has a segment today on the immigration bill, this much is at the link:

A bipartisan group of senators has proposed sweeping changes to the nation’s immigration laws. The bill calls for increased security on the U.S.-Mexican border,

the hiring of 18,000 more Border agents

and new requirements for employers to check the immigration status of employees.

The bill would allow undocumented immigrants to continue to work here if they fulfill a number of requirements, including paying a $5,000 fine

and getting a biometric identification card.

The bill would also set up a point system to determine who merits a new type of visa. The Senate proposal would also allow up to 600,000 temporary workers to come to the United States each year.

Democratic leaders are calling the bill a compromise reached under difficult political circumstances. Several Republicans – including President Bush – have voiced support for the measure. However, many immigrant rights advocates are expressing concern. Some say the proposal would create a permanent underclass of immigrant workers.
6. marisacat - 18 May 2007: Maybe they can squeeze two books outta this.

Shelf date long since expired.
7. bayprairie - 18 May 2007: from my previous cite above

“The empirical evidence from New York City is that stop-and-frisk as a policy for getting guns off the street helped. I think that’s fair to say. The fact is that more surveillance in society tends to be effective,” said University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt.

depends on how one define’s “effective”

New NYPD Stop-and-Frisk Database Raises Major Privacy Concerns (2/5/2007)

NEW YORK – The New York Civil Liberties Union today raised major concerns about the revelation that the New York City Police Department is compiling a massive new database of law-abiding New Yorkers, mostly black and Hispanic, who have been stopped by the police. The NYCLU demanded that the NYPD take immediate steps to protect the privacy rights of persons who are stopped and frisked but not convicted of a crime.

“In the coming days we will review in detail the newly-released data on the demographics of the people whom the police stopped and frisked in 2006,” said NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman. “But the revelation that these individuals’ names are being improperly collected and retained by the police is an added source of concern. The NYPD’s collection and retention of this information represents a violation of the privacy rights of New Yorkers, may be illegal, and – given that the individuals stopped are disproportionately black or Hispanic – raises major concerns about racial profiling.
8. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: They can’t be serious….

Today, Marcotte is unemployed and–since she gave up her apartment for the abortive move to North Carolina–without her own place. But she’s doing alright. She recently signed a contract to write a book for Seal Press, called Not Your Darling (due out in Spring 2008) and has moved in with her boyfriend — who agreed to support her for a year while she writes. (The catch: she has to do the same for him next year). In the meantime, you can find her on Pandagon.net.

For more about her experience, check out an article she wrote called: “Why I had to Quit the John Edwards Campaign,” in Salon http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/02/16/ma rcotte/

I’m back with another reminder: this project exemplifies the goal of taking care of your own. When one of ours takes a hit, it’s nice to know that we can all come together in support. With that in mind, I ask you once again to pay a visit to the BlogPac Hero ActBlue Page.

’til next time…
Mike Stark

What if I just click on her blogads… never say I didn’t pull my fair share in blogtopia.

if that is good enough for Galliard fighting for his life… certainly it must be good enough for Amanda while she writes dross.
9. marisacat - 18 May 2007: hero-whine
10. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: Oh… but Nutter is the darling of the Progressive White Boyz… as long as they aren’t the ones being stopped and frisked… why the hell should they care. … come to think of it they are more likely to benefit from the tax cuts too…

Philadelphia Elections: My Endorsements

by Chris Bowers, Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:32:28 PM EST

Speaking of progressives, is Michael Nutter a perfect, hardcore progressive? Nope. However, he is a progressive, and has done the most of any candidate to improve governmental transparency and accountability, as well as encourage broader, popular participation in city government. For example, he is responsible for ethics reform, campaign finance reform, and establishing the citizen’s police advisory commission. That last part is particularly important these days, because I think it shows quite clearly that he is not about giving the police vast, unchecked powers over the citizens of Philadelphia.

Perhaps Bowers and Stoller should write another long incoherent rant as to how much the white boyz just wanna be progressive… as long as it doesn’t interfere with them making money.
11. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: BTW Nutter ran on the stop and frisk ticket… and the white boyz lapped it up.
12. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: Marcotte says her Right-wing parents like Edwards and found him charming.

Well, that settles it. To think I ever doubted that Senator Humanitarian Bombing has what it takes to win. I hold out my filthy tree-hugging paws for the ceremonial noon ruler-whapping.
13. marisacat - 18 May 2007: I heard Sibelius of KS give her State of the State this year.. I think she summed up what “progressive” is for these regressive shits… and frankly it is a tad white skidding to nazi:

PRO health, PRO family PRO education.

Not health CARE, not womens rights, rights for children, workers rights.. No, PRO a unit that can be controlled.

And PRO education is just pro a custodial service with declining opportunities.

It gave me a chill. Hey PRO Golf. Same thing.
14. marisacat - 18 May 2007: And Nutter would be PRO Security.
15. marisacat - 18 May 2007: From a NARAL email I just got. Gotta love having Kaine in VA. SO helpful…

Unfortunately, there’s more. As many state legislative sessions come to a close, anti-choice politicians are scrambling to pass abortion bans of their own. Women and doctors in Missouri and Virginia may be the first to feel the consequences of the Supreme Court’s decision:

- In Missouri, a law similar to the Federal Abortion Ban will soon go into effect. Missouri’s law is even more extreme than the federal ban. Doctors who violate the ban in that state could serve a life sentence in prison. The law had been unenforceable since 1999, but now – because of the Supreme Court’s decision – it goes into effect.

- Anti-choice lawmakers in Virginia will now likely see their state’s 2003 ban go into effect as a result of the Court’s ruling. Like Missouri, the Virginia ban, which had been unenforceable, increases the penalties on doctors beyond the scope of the federal law.

- Missouri and Virginia are not alone. The Supreme Court decision gives other states a green light to attack safe, legal abortion. In North Dakota, for example, the governor signed a law that would outlaw abortion if Roe is overturned. This is the fourth of those types of bans enacted in just the last two years.
16. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: Check out little light: That Ilyka thread from yesterday is still going on:

…We get to pick our own allies. We get to decide whether or not we’re being shut out. No matter how fine a feminist a given white woman might be, if a stack of people of color who agree with her on a whole lot else tell her she’s not doing so hot on issues of race? Saying “shut up, you’re wrong, I know this stuff and I’ve got it covered,” is, in fact, the wrong answer. Saying, “god, they must just hate her ’cause she’s pretty,” that’s not the right answer either. And when those critics are challenged to back themselves up, and then when they do so articulately, are called dirty, dirty elitists?…

[thumbs up for her and also for Donna Darko, who also cultivates saint-like levels of patience dealing with some of the worst knuckle-draggers on Alas.]
17. supervixen - 18 May 2007: Bring on the sad violins for the hero-whine!

It’s clear from the story that she didn’t really think this whole thing through. And now she’s a big Victim.

“I didn’t mean to offend anyone, it was only satire”

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oow, from last thread: one word – YES!
18. bayprairie - 18 May 2007: this “progressive” blog has recent local philly discussion on the stop and frisk. bowers is in the thread with :::wait for it::: poll stats.

http://www.youngphillypolitics.com/getting_frisky_about_stop_and_frisk
19. XP - 18 May 2007: must be nice having a sugar daddy supporting ya for a year while whining about them “graduate study sets.”
20. marisacat - 18 May 2007: I realise TIME inc used it as an eye ball grabber first graf in a slobber article on Guiliani and Romney on abortion, but as a matter of fact:

The official position of the Republican Party on abortion is more extreme than most people realize. All of its recent platforms have declared that “the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.” The 14th Amendment is the one that protects fundamental rights and “equal protection of the laws.”

If “unborn children” are a protected group under the 14th Amendment–like blacks, women and so on–abortion is unconstitutional.

A state couldn’t legalize abortion even if its citizens wished to. Women who procure abortions and doctors who perform them would have to be prosecuted for murder, just like a woman who hires a gunman to kill her child. Death-penalty states would have to either stop executing murderers or start executing women who have abortions.

No one should ignore the reality. “Personhood” is where they are headed.

The Dems have stood up for our rights SO Much in the past years that we can rest easy. Not.

Later in the article TIME points out that the deal JFK offered, elect me and I won’t let my religion affect my governing, is no longer a viable offer in this nation. It is not permitted in our political game.

Bingo on that one.
21. marisacat - 18 May 2007: someone in NH popped me this, issueing pledges not to … breathe pretty much. WHy bother with primaries then? Just induct the damned DLC NCN Clintonite shit and be done with it.

Here is my pledge: I will not bash any other Democrat, other than to disagree with them on an issue. I will reserve all my bashing for the GOP, and even that will be confined to issues as much as possible.

Will you join me, or will you help me amend my pledge so that it suits our purpose, namely the peaceful takeover of the three branches of the federal government? One down, two to go …
22. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: Once again I will make this statement:

Like West Virginia, who left the bosom of the Old Dominion rather than secede from the Union, St Louis City and County should leave the rest of Missouri before it goes insane!

now I just have to wait for an extraordinary situation… *sigh*

Kevin
23. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: #3.

Anuzis is incised at a comment Paul made during a debate insinuating that US foreign policy was at least partially responsible for the Sept 11 attack on the WTC. The other candidates lashed out at Paul for his views.

Yes. Who the hell let reality into the GOP debates? The nerve of Ron Paul. He needs to be sent to Gitmo – stat.
24. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: The only agitating a lot of so-called progressives do these days is running their washing machines.
25. missdevore - 18 May 2007: you are all in fine form today. wish I weren’t so busy.
26. marisacat - 18 May 2007: Miss Devore, hope the art final goes OK…
27. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: Bowers doesn’t even put the link… he is not beyond cooking stats to fit his preexisting model.

Since when did the GOPER Bothers blog become the epicenter of “Progressive ” pa… I guess there must have been too many disenting opinions at Philly for Change… real Democrats.

That thread is disgusting … a bunch of faux progressive White Boyz trying to justify a major constitutional violation… of Black men…. but it is okay because Nutter is Black…. yeah so is Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice… oh but according to Bowers we must “Get beyond race”…
28. Cameron - 18 May 2007: I don’t know if any of you are actually in Philly, but Nutter made a big show of running against the current mayor here. I’m no fan of John Street, but it’s pretty obvious who Nutter was trying to impress – “I’m not like him, I’m not a ‘brothers-and-sisters-are-running-the-city’ kneegrow.”

Not being a Dem, I don’t care too much one way or another, but something’s really out of whack when there are 7 candidates in a mayoral primary (yes, 7, not 5 – 2 of them you’d only hear about if you were in the area).
29. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: BTW this I didn’t get … why is Amanda writing a new parenting blog
30. marisacat - 18 May 2007: My guess?

that is a commercial enterprise tied to pushing having kidlets. And that she is hired to blog. Or Blahg..

Oh jsut a fast take on the utter bullshit being shoveled.
31. missdevore - 18 May 2007: maybe Mother Talkers needs cross posters.
32. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: Oh, this is fun: help Hillary pick her campaign song. Hmmm…how about “To all the wars I’ve loved before…”?
33. marisacat - 18 May 2007: From the side bar self explanation:

Expect some serious yellow dog Democratic politics around election time, but most of the time, the blog is dominated by important issues.
34. marisacat - 18 May 2007: well for Hillary it so clearly IS

stand by your man.

Despite what she said in 92. And isn’t that classic for her… LOL
35. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: BTW this I didn’t get … why is Amanda writing a new parenting blog

Stay tuned for my new boxing blog. I’ve never boxed and don’t know a thing about it but what the hell?
36. supervixen - 18 May 2007: Oh I took a look at “Offsprung”. It’s a group of allegedly humorous blogs about parenting. Awful stuff. A bunch of 12-year-olds could do better.
37. marisacat - 18 May 2007: Golf blog for mcat. Pink dog politics and all the important shit that fits on the head of a golf ball.
38. missdevore - 18 May 2007: i will be starting a blog on men’s issues……the ones they have with me.
39. " » Friday Night Bideo" by ¡Para Justicia y Libertad! - 18 May 2007: [...] it looks like a deal has been made for unComprehensive Immigration Bill. And from today’s Democracy NOW! (h/t MCat), the bill includes hiring of 18,000 more Border agents, all undocumented immigrants will [...]
40. marisacat - 18 May 2007: Don’t miss the left hand blurb on their page on BlogAds.

Commerical enterprise. Still my take. A packaged deal. But a very awkward package.
41. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: i will be starting a blog on men’s issues……the ones they have with me.

I am SO there! (You need to pick a colour for your doggy politics.)
42. supervixen - 18 May 2007: The English humorist Alan Coren was told by his publisher that the biggest-selling books in the UK were about golf, cats, or Hitler. So he entitled his next book Golfing for Cats and they put a swastika on the cover.
43. marisacat - 18 May 2007: OK! Issues of cat fur clinging to the creases of the swastikas on my personal product, Golf Balls for Jesus. Honor god on the links.

have I cornered th market?
44. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: I guess my blog topic should be: Excellent Advice on Romance

just do the exact opposite of what I do and you’ll be fine

Kevin
45. supervixen - 18 May 2007: “Don’t Go Creasing my Swastika” by Elton John and Kiki Dee!
46. marisacat - 18 May 2007: My nazi cat ate the golf balls.
47. missdevore - 18 May 2007: My underpar Kitty: Hitler.
48. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: I’m not a ‘brothers-and-sisters-are-running-the-city’ kneegrow.”

That is what Bowers calls “Getting beyond race”.

The Anti Essentialist Conundrum she has an “ATM” link for:

The Race Card:

This card entitles me to offend white people by explaining that my experience in society is different than theirs because of centuries of physical, mental, psychological and systematic oppression.
49. D. Throat - 18 May 2007: More Blogger Ethics Problems (Matt Stoller)

I just got an email from James Carville raising money for the DCCC. Carville is an analyst on CNN. I don’t care if Carville does this, it’s just worth noting that politics and the teevee is full of conflicts of interest. It’s not just a blog thing.

Thanks for admitting that blahhgherts and not ethical.
50. BooHooHooMan - 18 May 2007: # 36 Supervix- “Offsprung”. It’s a group of allegedly humorous blogs about parenting. Awful stuff. A bunch of 12-year-olds could do better.

..and probably will have to…
51. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: Ever see hollabacknyc?
52. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: Golf Sucks, Nazis Suck, Cats are Okay
53. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: Golfing Nazi Cats: A Complete History
54. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: mcat,
There already are golf balls for Jesus, not to mention gospel golf balls. Holy shit, apparently.
55. BooHooHooMan - 18 May 2007: For Primary Season, They’ve been stickin’ with this.

I was focused grouped on Hillary’s New Campaign Song. The idea they said was that it should reflect Her politics, should work for the consultants and the general public etc.

I voted for this one after a lot of heavy breathing.

For Primary Season, They’re stickin’ with this.
56. brinn - 18 May 2007: whaaa…? Amdanda M. writing a parenting blog?!? Point me to it — pretty please??

:0
57. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: pass me the nine iron Mein Katzenfuhrer
58. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: #55. rofl!
59. marisacat - 18 May 2007: brinn

link to offsprung is in comment 29 from D Throat.
60. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Miss D – I’m so there.

BHHM – last thread – who knew? I guess I should get me to a wine tasting class. And hey, I have been thinking about trying to find a tennis partner for the summer.

Unfortunately, the women from the ‘high powered’ set would probably think I’m a freak given that 1. I only wear jeans and wrinkled tee-shirts 2. I have a propensity to discuss uncomfotable political positions at length and 3. I’m just plain loopy.

I need to find someplace the wierd people go if I’m to meet someone that would remotely identify with my twisted, evil mind.
61. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: been to the marz bar lucid?
62. marisacat - 18 May 2007: David Bacon in Am Prospect via Truthout:

Smithfield isn’t alone. Workplaces with union contracts or organizing drives have been hit by a wave of immigration enforcement over the last year. At the CINTAS industrial laundry chain, 400 workers were picked up for deportation from multiple plants during a national drive by the hotel union UNITE HERE. In the Woodfin Suites hotel in Emeryville, California, managers terminated workers for allegedly being undocumented, after they tried to enforce the city’s living wage ordinance.

Congress today is poised to give the government and employers even more such tools for immigration enforcement – tools that could also damage efforts to organize unions, enforce labor standards or simply fight for workers’ rights.

The STRIVE Act, for instance, introduced into the House by Illinois Democrat Luís Gutierrez and Arizona Republican Jeff Flake this February, contains provisions that would make workplace raids more common, and the penalties against undocumented workers more draconian.

In a Washington, DC press conference following raids on the Swift and Co. meatpacking plants in November, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told reporters that they would show Congress the need for “stronger border security, effective interior enforcement and a temporary-worker program.” Bush wants, he said, “a program that would allow businesses that need foreign workers – because they can’t otherwise satisfy their labor needs – to be able to get those workers in a regulated program.”
63. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: Unfortunately, the women from the ‘high powered’ set would probably think I’m a freak given that 1. I only wear jeans and wrinkled tee-shirts 2. I have a propensity to discuss uncomfotable political positions at length and 3. I’m just plain loopy.

Let’s hear it for low-powered women! (another good band name…)
64. aemd - 18 May 2007: “why is Amanda writing a new parenting blog”

God, how times have changed. It’s amazing what a late period qualifies you for now a dazes.
65. marisacat - 18 May 2007: oh too funny aemd
66. supervixen - 18 May 2007: “Low-powered woman, low-powered woman for me-e-e-e-e” — The Bee Gees

I’m feeling so ’70s tonight. Must find my “ABBA in Swedish” CD.
67. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: [barenaked ladies]I made catnip say “underwear”[/barenaked ladies]

In the last thread. :p
68. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: Jam fuse, thanks so much for the Nomad link. Awesome piece.
69. supervixen - 18 May 2007: I’m pleased that you made her say “macaroon”. Such a delightful word.
70. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: been to the marz bar lucid?

I had a good grad school friend with whom I used to do certain substances that I no longer do who would refer to it fondly as ‘the sleazy Marz bar’. Yes, I’ve hung there a bit. Mostly back in the ’90’s. Great juke box. Cheap drinks. Diviest of the dives. My kind of place. The only draw back is no pool table – that’s why I was more of a Sophie’s and Mona’s lad. I lived three blocks away from there for 6 years, until I was run out by the yuppies.
71. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Low powered women indeed.
72. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: low powered women need to change the batteries

another piece of Excellent Romantic Advice from

Kevin
[/punnish humor]
73. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: woo hoo, the filter let me thru!
74. marisacat - 18 May 2007: pointecoupeedemocrat (louisianagirl) surfaces at Dkos.

2 diaries and

125 comments since the 10th.
75. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: Good, Madman. Please smack Kevin with a large fish. Right after checking your balls and other superfluous items with either Miss D or SV. Thank Youl.
76. marisacat - 18 May 2007: Madman, first day in about 2 weeks that spam filter has not netted about 30% of comments.

whew.
77. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: Sexuality, alone or with others, is always such a touchy subject

Kevin
78. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: So Miss D is the ball collector. I’d always wondered who got stuck with that job.
79. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: smack Kevin with a large fish

I could make a sexist joke about tuna, but I won’t. Besides, from his tales of his romantic travails, he’s already been smacked a few times.
80. Miss Devore - 18 May 2007: I won’t dive for them, though.
81. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: Madman, some gallant YOU turned out to be.

BTW, I present the absolutely no-holds-barred dorkiest youtube interlude I’ve ever seen. I can’t stop laughing. I am filled with shame.
82. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: ‘Bobbing for balls’ – a new autumn game.

[I hope that wasn't in god awful taste - if I only had MitM's restraint]

BTW, my roomate & I are throwing a party tomorrow night for Delarue’s birthday. Should anyone in the area be interested in hanging out with a bunch of 30-40 somethings & getting drunk while listening to our enormous vinyl collection e-mail me at noxes at verizon dot net and I’ll give you directions.
83. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: That’s hilarious Miss X. I’m both a trekkie and a big fan of MP.
84. marisacat - 18 May 2007: I have some radio channel in with Blankely, Arianna, Sheer and somebody from CAP (who is the host)

Both Blankely and Arianna say that Bloomberg will get in, has targetted a Billion dollars for the run…

I say Come On In.

The show is so rightie I am gagging on my dinner. They say the nation wants an Eisenhouwer/Nixon/Bill C.

LOL bury me now.
85. Miss Devore - 18 May 2007: lucid, will there be a flight plan available?
86. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Well I’m sure there are flights & I’m only a 15 minute cab ride from LaGuardia… Alas I can’t cover the airfare as I just got hit with a $500 hostpital bill. [This is a fortunate thing though - the total bill for my facial reconstructive surgery was $17,000... so I'm happy my insurance company finally settled.]

You’re always welcome if you’re in town though – that goes for anyone here btw.
87. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: pointecoupeedemocrat (louisianagirl) surfaces at Dkos.

Don’t Bogart those binoculars, my friend.
88. marisacat - 18 May 2007: wonder if sh eeven knew what the photo was of, Norwegian peace keeper on the Israel Lebanon border, several years ago.

bah. pig. and the pigs who loved the porn she lobbed.
89. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: wow, you can still play your vinyl?

I’d left some boxes of stuff behind in the basement of my ex’s parent’s basement (we’re still steadfast friends … so only the couple part is “ex”). They got fed up finally and shipped them to me, including the albums that I’d long since forgotten about.

Holy crap … “Billy Thorpe” and “Kansas” and gawd-knows-what-other-embarassments came out of those boxes. I’d forgotten I had that stuff! Of course, it’s all on display on my shelves along w/ the “Rush – 2112″ and “Led Zeppelin” 8 Tracks I salvaged from my mom’s place when she finally sold it. Can’t play any of it.
90. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: MitM – there is such a thing as audiophile gear my friend. I’m a total vinyl snob. If they make it on vinyl, I buy it on vinyl. It really does sound better: the frequency response, the fact that it isn’t compressed to hell to make it sound ‘louder’, even the artifacts like warping. For instance, I’ve got a copy of Taj Mahal’s first album that looks like a saucer as it spins, but the warping itself completely expresses the way that album is.
91. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: wonder if sh eeven knew what the photo was of, Norwegian peace keeper on the Israel Lebanon border, several years ago.

I assume that’s rhetorical.
92. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: BTW – Madman – if you are interested in getting a quality turntable for not too much money, e-mail me & I’ll hook you up. Depending on your amp you may need to get a phono pre-amp as well though [but those cost about $100].
93. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: It’s too hard to aim for the right groove at 2am when I’m drunk, though. My ears are too pummeled to tell the diff anyway.

I just looked him up … didn’t know that Billy Thorpe was dead. I remember every audiofile store had a copy of “Children of the Sun” to show off their equipment back in the day.
94. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: I know that getting a turntable is doable … how hard is it to get replacement needles?
95. marisacat - 18 May 2007: I have two turntables. Never gave them up. And the bigger places here almost always carry at least one brand of turntable… and you can order things like needles from the various companies.

I never gave up any of my records, nor the 78s that my parents had, as well as LPs.
96. missdevore - 18 May 2007: I still have a phonograph and lots of vinyl.I stated buying jazz at the time 8 tracks came out–I don’t know if any jazz was recorded on 8 tracks much, and it seemed like, aside from classical, jazz was the last to convert to CDs–in the sense that older jazz took a long time to be available on CD.
97. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Replacement needles are easy for turntables that are currently made – they’re tough for vintage stuff. I have a Music Hall myself. Rega also makes great turntables. Belt driven models are the best – they’re a very simple construction, but the fact that the motor is separated from the platter makes a huge difference in how the music sounds.

As for the grooves, you know me – I’m a lush & somehow I still manage.

One of my day jobs is as an accountant to a high end audiophile store, so I can get discounts. [Alan Colmes of all people just bought a system from us...]

Mcat – I wish I had 78’s. Old 78’s have such a cool sound to them – and they’re damn hard to come by these days.
98. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Miss D – I refuse to buy jazz on CD now. I have a bunch from earlier in my life, but I only buy it on vinyl now. It sounds so much fuller. With modern rock it doesn’t matter as much because the production is inevitably geared toward the digital medium, but with any jazz recorded before the ’80’s [and even a lot of contemporary things], vinyl is really the medium – same goes for anything recorded on 2″ tape.
99. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: I think the filters are acting up again – a linky post was sucked up into aether.
100. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: OK, I own a copy of “Children of the Sun” on vinyl. Kansas’ “Point of Know Return” and “People of the South Wind”. Styx “Grand Illusion” “Pieces of Eight” “Cornerstone”. Rush “Moving Pictures”. Lots of Elton John, Heart, Yes. You get the idea, I was a hard rock, prog rock, and uber-pop loving dork. I had no idea that being a pack rat also made me an audiophile

Kevin
101. missdevore - 18 May 2007: before I get banned from the submit a hillary campaign song site–I thought I’d go over some of the choices with the vipes, because I fear I will only be able to strike once.

so, I pick up a stack of vinyl:

Anyplace I Hang my Hat is Home/ Streisand —most people have forgotten her carpetbaggery

Le Coq D’or/Rimsky-Korsakov

Got to go see if I can’t get Daddy to come back home/Sarah Vaughn

Think for Yourself/Beatles

Children of Darkness/Mimi & Richard Farina

Do Your Duty/Bessie Smith

Hear me Talkin’ to You/Ma Rainey

Did you ever have to make up your mind/Lovin’ Spoonful

——-

oh, it’s not working–those songs and musicians ae too good for Hillary.
102. marisacat - 18 May 2007: what is rhetorical?
103. marisacat - 18 May 2007: oh Miss Devore, as usual YOU WIN!

What a line up!
104. missdevore - 18 May 2007: Is that a rhetorical question, Marisacat?
105. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: The question of whether or no LA Girl knows the origin of that pic.
106. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: Well, Elton was great before he sucked. A lot of the rest actually holds up remarkably well, considering (though I like the older Rush better, esp. “2112″ and “Caress of Steel”). I of course have “Point of Know Return”, and I do feel I have to point out that I found nearly every 10cc album prior to “Deceptive Bends” … it was great being one of their 100 or so fans in the US back then, b/c every album came hit the cutout bin w/in several months of release. “One Nuit in Paris” just came up on random on the mp3 player this morning … oh what fun.
107. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: Damnit, lucid. I was going to offer to sell you all my vinyl for cheap so *I* could go to the f-ing doctor !!

Tsk. Another setback for the American Dream. Somebody get Rudy G. and his drag stylist on the phone.

Of course I own a lot of CDs, too. Can’t keep up with actual living artists unless you’re willing to buy CDs. Feh.
108. missdevore - 18 May 2007: Mitm-agree with you-elton was in the air around the time of my first visit to the east coast, when I lost my journal on a train from nyc to hoboken. early 70’s.
109. missdevore - 18 May 2007: I buy CDs. But now get a lot of them from the library and put them in my little IstealTunes on new computer.
110. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: lucid, it’s even worse than we originally thought…
111. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Early Elton is killer. ‘Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding’ is one of my favorite tracks ever. Rush I never got into as much, but I do like 2112 & particularly Permanent Waves. Kansas, well there’s ‘Leftoverture’, but I’m not really a fan. Styx, I must confess I own most of their catalog [because they were all a buck], but the only one I really like is Paradise Theater.
112. missdevore - 18 May 2007: ms_xeno–sounds like sinus infection from what you have been reporting.

well, Dr. Devore is famous for her diagnosis but no treatment approach.

And sinus infections are serious. (as if any other infections were merely jocular)

I only know special needs educators in your part of the woods.
113. bayprairie - 18 May 2007: They say the nation wants an Eisenhower/Nixon/Bill C.

all this country wants are more FAB ringtones.

LOL bury me now.

we’ll see that your grave is kept clean.

wow, you can still play your vinyl?

me 2! even-order harmonics rule. in austin quite a bit too, which was/is the cutout capital of the south/southest. good record shopping. huge collector/dealer show twice a year too, 78s are there.
114. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: I have the Oompa Loompa song on vinyl

also a two record set entitled ‘Black Dick for President’ — which I haven’t even got around to listening to yet if memory serves — and a few thousand others…

re: sixty eight — de nada, hombre loco
115. missdevore - 18 May 2007: ms_xeno–even tho’ I am star trek & python challenged, I am laughing.
116. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: Elton sucked?

I wasn’t aware — I always thought he kicked ass, right, left and center

though it should be recognized Bernie Taupin wrote all the music iirc
117. ms_xeno - 18 May 2007: Well, I hope it’s not turning into an infection, Miss D. It’s only for actual problems that I can afford to drag my sorry ass to the MD. The “cadillac” care is saved for Walter and his two feline pals.

Oh, and the obvious choice for La Hill’s campaign song would be almost anything by Andy Loud Webby. A highlight or two from Jesus Christ Superstar has definite potential.
118. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: the only Styx I really like is “Grand Illusion”, actually, and even that is hard to take now.

The first LP I bought w/ my allowance was Elton’s “Tumbleweed Connection”, only b/c the Western Auto was out of the other stuff. I’m a huge fan of that, “Madman Across the Water” (of course), “Goodbye Yellow Brick Road”. “Funeral for a Friend” is incredible cranked up (I’ve got the Mobile Fidelity cd of it that I play frequently). Besides the hits, side three is fucking brilliant (”I’ve Seen That Movie Too”, “Sweet Painted Lady”, “The Ballad of Danny Bailey (1909-1934)”, “Dirty Little Girl”, “All the Girls Love Alice”).

I’ve Seen That Movie Too

I can see by your eyes you must be lying
When you think I don’t have a clue
Baby you’re crazy
If you think that you can fool me
Because I’ve seen that movie too

The one where the players are acting surprised
Saying love’s just a four letter word
Between forcing smiles, with the knives in their eyes
Well their actions become so absurd

So keep your auditions for somebody
Who hasn’t got so much to lose
`Cause you can tell by the lines I’m reciting
That I’ve seen that movie too

It’s a habit I have, I don’t get pushed around
Stop twinkling your star like you do
I’m not the blue print for all of your B films
Because I’ve seen that movie too

He lost me after “Captain Fantastic”, but until then … wonderful stuff.

I swear, I don’t know how this straight white middle class boy become such a huge Queen, Elton John, David Bowie fan in the NW suburbs of Chicago, but I did, and bless them all for putting their stuff out.
119. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: No, blasphemer! You have it backwards, Taupin slaved for 2-3 weeks to put together the lyrics. Then dear old Reginald (oops, Elton) would amaze poor Bernie by writing the music in about 3 hours!

Get the facts straight or we’re no better than Kosslandia

Kevin
120. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: a you tube thing someone put together for “I’ve seen that movie too”
121. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: LOL … the alchemy Taupin and Elton had was amazing.
122. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: before I get banned from the submit a hillary campaign song site

Chin up now, Miss D. Chin up! Surely the beaconess of democracy wouldn’t ban you from her site!?

What’s an 8 track? (oh to be young & stupid…;))
123. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: I’m rambling, and I’m sorry, but I have to say that the reason I was such a huge fan of Elton and Queen and Bowie was the glimmer of hope they offered me, an odd little intellectual trapped in midwestern suburbia, the idea that you could be smart and literate and YOURSELF and it was okay, that there was a bigger world out there where people couldn’t be pinned and labeled and straitjacketed. I was a “fag” to so many for the music that moved me, yet that would always get forgotten when something became a hit, on its own terms.

I’m a bit of a recluse, even more now than then, but I loved the idea that there aren’t any boundaries, that we can make/remake ourselves, that an alchemy of creativity can transcend our upbringing and our race and our sexual identity and our economic class and all of the other barriers that so many place so much emphasis on. Elton and Freddie might be gay, but they worked with guys who shared their vision who weren’t, and created such wonderful and expansive stuff. Communication was possible, collaboration was possible, an expansive vision was possible.

When Freddie died I cried like a baby, and I usually couldn’t give a shit about celebrities and stars.
124. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: He lost me after “Captain Fantastic”

Same here. But on Captain Fantastic is one of his best tunes – “Someone Saved My Life Tonight” – a favorite of mine since I’ve been 10 or so. And while I don’t like much from the late ’70’s on in his catalog, I have to admit that the whole collaboration with Billie Jean King in the late ’70’s was pretty cool [Philadelpia Freedom was written to promote the mixed doubles tennis league started by King - she played for the Philadelphia Freedoms].

I was a het white boy from northern Indiana too & loved both Bowie & Elton – hey , my band did a stand of Ziggy Stardust shows a couple of years ago that got nominated for a MAC award. [I was the lad in the blond wig, vinyl miniskirt & fishnets.] Music knows no borders. Like math it is one of the few universal things.
125. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: catnip … I thought we were contemporaries! I had a bunch of 8 tracks that I bought for about 50 cents a piece at garage sales, tons of Zeppelin and Humble Pie and Rush and Moody Blues and Elton and tons of other stuff … Iron Butterfly and MC5 and so much else.

Wikipedia entry
126. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: cool pics Lucid!

god, Indiana?!?! I thought the Chicago ‘burbs was depressing …
127. Kevin Lynch - 18 May 2007: this is my favorite youtube vid, right up there with Fergieliscious! thought I’d try and share

Kevin
128. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: catnip … I thought we were contemporaries!

pssst…we are…I was kidding.
129. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 May 2007: catnip … sorry, my sense of irony goes away on drunken friday nights.
130. missdevore - 18 May 2007: Miss Devore has posted her first “Men’s Issue” at Je Blague.

http://missdevore.wordpress.com/

Perhaps I should make it a regular Wednesday feature to compete with Feminagasaki?
131. jam.fuse - 18 May 2007: one nineteen — ouch!!!

uncultured boob say mwa
132. marisacat - 18 May 2007: Loved Elton, Loved Queen and Loved David Bowie. I even liked Elton’s later more lugubious stuff. Even the re fashion for Diana that he did.

Anyway,

New Thread

LINK
133. marisacat - 18 May 2007: It sent me to spam. LOL.
134. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: MitM – from 1976 to 1990 I resided in South Bend. My dad taught at ND, my Mom was a church organist/elementary school music teacher. I was an angel until I turned 16 – then the years of rock ‘n roll absorption turned me into a hellion. My last year there was spent smokin’ pot by the tennis courts, dropping acid in the parks and paying people in ‘bad neighborhoods’ to buy me booze. I still ended up Valedictorian & promptly trashed my parent’s house that summer [well - not really, but by their standards - I was also accused the same summer of running a brothel by my neighbors because I had three women friends there all the time & 'men kept coming and going' - side note, my parents were always gone during the summers at their place in northern MI, while I worked minimum wage jobs - of course because they wanted to intstill working class values in me, which to this day I am grateful for. It taught me not to feel entitled - hell I had to pay for my public school fees in high school out of my own pocket.]

They were very happy to get me off to college. I haven’t left the east coast since.
135. missdevore - 18 May 2007: I was taught to love Notre Dame. I know the fight song. My father started school there, went to war, ended up graduating at Loyola in Chicago.

We had to go visit there one weekend when it looked like both my father & brother were going to die of cancer. (brother survived) Some equation about seeing an ND football game before you die.

iirc, Ara Parsegian was the coach then. Johnny Huarte was the QB, and we ran into him and I held his apple (Was I not the budding EVE??) while he signed an autograph.

I think I was about 10 or 11, and adolescent-deluded enough to think that college guys would want to pick me up. I remember walking up and down in some quad of dormitories, like a Playskool hooker or something.
136. liberalcatnip - 18 May 2007: catnip … sorry, my sense of irony goes away on drunken friday nights.

No problem.

I held his apple

Is that code for something?
137. lucidculture - 18 May 2007: Well the Dorm ‘Father’s’ would cetainly not allow ‘playskool hookers’, but they’d probably be quite happy to have sex with vulnerable 18 year old men… or at least sell them out to the administration, as they so often do. ND also still has a you get pregnant, you’re kicked out policy.

Gotta love the catholics.

I grew up with 36th row tickets to the football games & 7th row tickets to the basketball games. Despite my visceral hatred for the school, I still love the ND sports teams. When it happens so young, it transforms your blood.