The government has completely abandoned us 31 May 2007
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, WAR!.trackback
In case any of the many signals for years were missed. The name is Lieberman, but it does not matter, nor does the party:
The night before, 30 other soldiers crowded around him with questions for the senator.
He wrote them all down. At the top of his note card was the question he got from nearly every one of his fellow soldiers:
“When are we going to get out of here?”
The rest was a laundry list. When would they have upgraded Humvees that could withstand the armor-penetrating weapons that U.S. officials claim are from Iran? When could they have body armor that was better in hot weather?
Williams missed six months of his girlfriend’s pregnancy when he was given six days’ notice to return to Iraq for his second tour. He also missed his baby boy’s birth. Three weeks ago, he went home and saw his first child.
“He looks just like me,” he said. “I didn’t want to come back. . . .
We’re waiting to get blown up.”
Ah but Lieberman, Clinton, Specter, Levin, Warner, McCain, Reid, Reed, you name the war stooge, they are not ”waiting to get blown up”. All that matters to them.
Next to him, Spc. Will Hedin, 21, of Chester, Conn., thought about what he was going to say.
“We’re not making any progress,” Hedin said, as he recalled a comrade who was shot by a sniper last week. “It just seems like we drive around and wait to get shot at.”
But as he waited two chairs down from where Lieberman would sit, Hedin said he’d never voice his true feelings to the senator.
“I think I’d be a private if I did,” he joked. “It’s just more troops, more targets.”
NYT magazine, yes, Gerth and Van Atta …
She could have done the reading herself. Senators were able to access the N.I.E. at two secure locations in the Capitol complex. Nonetheless, only six senators personally read the report, according to a 2005 television interview with Senator Jay Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia and then the vice chairman of the intelligence panel.
Earlier this year, on the presidential campaign trail in New Hampshire, Clinton was confronted by a woman who had traveled from New York to ask her if she had read the intelligence report. According to Eloise Harper of ABC News, Clinton responded that she had been briefed on it.
“Did you read it?” the woman screamed.
Clinton replied that she had been briefed, though she did not say by whom.
The question of whether Clinton took the time to read the N.I.E. report is critically important. Indeed, one of Clinton’s Democratic colleagues, Bob Graham, the Florida senator who was then the chairman of the intelligence committee, said he voted against the resolution on the war, in part, because he had read the complete N.I.E. report.
Graham said he found that it did not persuade him that Iraq possessed W.M.D. As a result, he listened to Bush’s claims more skeptically. “I was able to apply caveat emptor,” Graham, who has since left the Senate, observed in 2005.
He added regretfully, “Most of my colleagues could not.”
On Tuesday, Oct. 8, 2002, Senate Democrats, including Clinton, held a caucus over lunch on the second floor of the Capitol. There, Graham says he “forcefully” urged his colleagues to read the complete 90-page N.I.E. before casting such a monumental vote.
In her own remarks on the Senate floor on Oct. 10, 2002, Clinton noted the existence of “differing opinions within this body.” Then she went on to offer a lengthy catalog of Saddam Hussein’s crimes.
She cited unnamed “intelligence reports” showing that between 1998 and 2002 “Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability and his nuclear program.”
Both the public and secret intelligence estimates on Iraq contained such analysis, but the complete N.I.E. report also included other views. A dissent by the State Department’s intelligence arm concluded — correctly, as it turned out — that Iraq was not rebuilding its nuclear program.
Clinton continued, accusing Iraq’s leader of giving “aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.” This statement fit squarely within the ominous warning she issued the day after Sept. 11.
Not fit to be president. Not fit to run.
Lieberman in Baghdad:
“I think it’s important we don’t lose our will,” he said. “To pull out would be a disaster.”
The soldiers smiled and greeted him, stood with him for pictures and sat down to a lunch of roast beef and turkey sandwiches. It was unclear if they ever asked their questions.
As Lieberman walked out, he said that congressionally mandated withdrawal would be a “victory for al-Qaida and a victory for Iran.”
And it would be what for America? What for Israel? (As we know this is a key factor, in selling and assessment.)
A win?
As she explained her vote on the Senate floor, Clinton noted,
“Perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, in the White House, watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation.”
It was not a coincidence that Clinton invoked her time in the White House, or her husband’s record. Bill Clinton served as her main counsel on the Iraq war vote, longtime associates of theirs told us. He had much personal experience to offer: while he was president in 1998, the United States, assisted by Britain, launched more than 400 cruise missiles and flew 650 air attacks against suspected weapons-of-mass-destruction sites in Iraq after Saddam Hussein refused to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors.
“Mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction,” President Clinton had said at the time. “He will deploy them, and he will use them.”
None of them is fit. Not in my view. We have been sold out, scammed, lectured, pontificated at, lied to, expected to accept smarmy political apologies, political equivocations, told MORE LIES –
and we have been forgotten.
They call us to patriotism, values, religion, family (theirs not ours, we are asked to attend at their illnesses – while single payer is verboten, by THEM ALL). Respect, civility, obedience even, they use all of that to call us to VOTE.
For them.
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UPDATE, 1:57 pm
This was part of a commencement speech Mark Danner gave recently to the Dept of Rhetoric at UC Berkeley:
“We were asked to send the next of kin to whom the remains of my nephew, killed on Monday in a horrific explosion downtown, can be handed over…”So we went, his mum, his other aunt and I…
“When we got there, we were given his remains. And remains they were. From the waist down was all they could give us. ‘We identified him by the cell phone in his pants’ pocket. If you want the rest, you will just have to look for yourselves. We don’t know what he looks like.’
“…We were led away, and before long a foul stench clogged my nose and I retched. With no more warning we came to a clearing that was probably an inside garden at one time; all round it were patios and rooms with large-pane windows to catch the evening breeze Baghdad is renowned for. But now it had become a slaughterhouse, only instead of cattle, all around were human bodies. On this side; complete bodies; on that side halves; and everywhere body parts.
“We were asked what we were looking for; ‘upper half’ replied my companion, for I was rendered speechless. ‘Over there.’ We looked for our boy’s broken body between tens of other boys’ remains; with our bare hands sifting them and turning them.
“Millennia later we found him, took both parts home, and began the mourning ceremony.”
2:18 pm:
I am just hearing on K-CBS News that Odierno is saying
there “may not be a surge assessment available in September”.
What a shock…
Boxer is saying, according to the report, that the Democrats “expected one”.
Well, stop lying to us and stop presenting yourselves as suckers.
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Marisacat 
Mcat, the above represents some of your best stuff. Powerful.
Newsflash: George Will is still a blithering idiot.
And this is f’n unbelievable.
Exactly right. They only remember us when they want us to open their wallets and send them money.
As you said in the t-shirt slogan: “Send Money and SYFPH”
Marisacat, thanks for posting that information regarding Hillary Clinton’s refusal to look at the classified NIE. I am amazed that it has not received more attention. I remember the incident with the woman who asked her about it a few months ago. It was then that I read Sen. Graham’s statement about the classified NIE that so few of them bothered to read.
This alone disqualifies her from running for president and any of the others who voted for the AUMF, which includes Edwards and Kerry. They too had access to it. It is literally criminal that they refused to access critical information that was made available to them when considering whether or not this country should go to war. All should be eliminated from this race.
All the excuses, ‘Bush fooled us’ or ‘if I knew then what I know now’ are flat-out lies. I always wondered how they could have trusted Bush. It didn’t make sense. We seemed to know more than they claimed to know.
It wasn’t until Sen. Graham’s statement became public that it all became clear – they were all on board for this war and they deliberately fooled the American people. They allowed Bush to be the fall guy, allowed the people to vent their anger at him, while they played victim. He apparently was part of the game.
Looking back, there was simply no way to stop this war. They were laughing at the American people. But they are worse than Bush, imo. Because they lied to get themselves elected, they sought the support of people who were completely opposed to what they had endorsed, and pretended they were innocent. Way worse than Bush -who at least did not hide his disdain for the American people who opposed him.
Unfuckingbelievable doesn’t even begin to express the outrage we have to right to feel. It took a citizen to bring it up to her face. Our useless media no doubt knew all along also.
I don’t know why we even bother with elections anymore. Apparently all is decided way in advance and the process is simply to generate money and keep the illusion that we are still a democracy. I see no point in voting.
catnip: LOL, George Will:
Conservatism is realism, about human nature and government’s competence.
Ah, the “Conservatism is realism” claim. A rightwinger told me this the other day: “Be realistic! Liberals aren’t realistic! They want the world to fit their fantasies – they don’t look at the evidence!” He then went on to say that Muslims were all murderers (“it’s part of their religion”) and cut people’s hands and heads off on a regular basis, and all they understand is force, so we should nuke them – that would make the situation much better.
That’s realism, he thinks.
‘Send money and stfu’ – great slogan for DK.
SV, that conversation with McJoan was funny ….
Bhhm, thanks for the links …
Re the suicide at Guantanamo Bay, when is that blight on humanity going to be shut down? It is horrific.
re #99 last thread — supervixen
Strangely enough, I am also descended from John Howland on my mother’s side. Sad to say we are both related to the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in DC. Also R. W. Emerson, Longfellow, H. Bogart and FDR.
How about
Orange you gonna send us money and STFU?
Marisacat: Truly awesome provacative post:
Jesus.
SB
The woman who screawmed at her ws removed. The audience APPLAUDED Hillary. You know, to buck her up after going thru so much. The woman had traveled across a couple states iirc, to reach the rally or townhall or whatever it was…
It was reported on at the time, but I never managed to see film of it. It must exist however.
oH meant to add…
In the past few days I have read one of her excuses over the past months, weeks… that in 2002 she was not yet on the Armed Services Committee and thsu had no one “on staff with the clearance to read the NIE”.
I have decided all she read, if that, was a canned summary. LIKE BUSH and the August 6 PDB I would bet money there was no “briefing”. She probably uses that meeting on the 8th as a “briefing”.
Jesus fuck. Right up there with her oleaginous smarm: “I voted to keep the UN inspectors in there” and “I advocated” [but did not vote for, ie Levin amd] “diplomacy”.
And but for his oily as hell apology (sorry I don’t buy it never did, if he gave a shit he’d have gone to the Intell Committee meetings, which he did half, barely, of the time) Edwards is in the same barrel.
they all are. a barrel over Niagra Falls.
Marisacat, yes, I remember that she was removed. Gawd forbid anyone should inject a little truth into the process of electing a president.
Bhhm, I just checked that blogger link from the last thread. All those photos of ‘kossacks’ at yrly kos! I now have faces to put with the screen names. Interesting to see some who promote themselves the most on dk, as ‘desirable’ shall we say, well, I expected more, is all I can say … Lol! Sometimes it’s best not to raise expectations, not that any of it should matter, but when you choose to make it matter, better be able to deliver, imo.
Bhhm, I agree – one of her best although there are so many. I cannot believe the evil of people like Lieberman. We know that HIS precious kids will never be ‘waiting to get blown up’.
It’s all so depressing, so sad and so hopeless – so much blood and heartache. The effects will last for generations. And all they worry about is their stupid, political careers. They should be ready to quit in order to stop this madness.
LOL When Lieberman ran in 03/4 one of his daughters who would campaing with him was working on HAVA, Help America Vote Act.
Not exactly getting shot at, and frankly rolling back democracy from what I saw of HAVA. it was like the Violence Agaisnt Women act, feel good. Like the gas gouging bill that AAR was pushing every other minute end of last week.
As if anything but the war matters, it infects everything.
Of course Bill advised her on her IWR vote. Regeim change in Iraq was his policy for eight years — and poppy’s before Bill’s. (Scott Ritter’s “Iraq Confidential (one of the most poorly crafted and written books I’ve ever read cover to cover) is very illuminating no this point.)
Everybody must read “Blowback” — Chalmers Johnson. Puts all the pieces together brilliantly. Devasting critique of where we’ve been and where we’re going — the Clinton gang is right in there with the Bush gang.
SB: Interesting to see some who promote themselves the most on dk, as ‘desirable’ shall we say, well, I expected more, is all I can say … Lol!
Yikes! I had to look (missed it the first time). I see what you mean.
But of course the people who talk about themselves in such flattering terms usually aren’t “all that”. That goes for political “bloggers on the national scene” as much as for Little Sisters in uber-sexy boots.
Poseurs and phonies, the lot of them.
I am just catching up here (so this is likely old news)… on The News Hour, the reason the Chinook only took 7 lives in Afghanistan, is that it had just dropped off an assault unit.
Who of course killed others.
Round and round we go. Madness.
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Just got this from FAIR, a really good look at the Ron Paul commentary, then back and forth with Guiliani in the debate.
the close:
argh.
I should go look at the photo.
SB #12 one of her best although there are so many
So true indeed.
Marisacat could quite capably run a War Correspondents Operation under fire.
A bitter prospect I’m sure, given that mcat would prefer stopping the Pentagon in its tracks and obviate the need for such journalism. Ever.
Lol, SV, I think it’s best to let others be the judge of what one has to offer, that is if it’s important at all. As I said, not that it matters, but they insist it does, so expectations were certainly higher. But these blahgers either really believe their own promos or don’t think ahead when they’re hitting the keyboard in the middle of the night after a few beers! So yes, they aren’t all that they claimed to be imho …
They all have a very bad habit of making declarations and expecting others to simply accept them. I suppose the fact that most intelligent people think for themselves and more often than not, do not agree with them, accounts for the temper tantrums we see from many of them on dk. What I do know is that people who are impressive, rarely have the need to tell you how impressive they are. 🙂
Marisacat, thanks for the info on Lieberman’s daughter. Didn’t think any of them would be in a uniform. Speaking of that, I think we might want to call Joe and remind him that the troops asked for protective gear because I’m sure he will not give that another thought.
And from what I read today, they will never get what they need because of contracts to manufacture new war products. Apparently the twisted thinking is that if they send what is needed, it might jeopardize the claims that new products are necessary. So much for supporting the troops.
Tucker did the first 1/2 of his show today on hillary and NIE.. excuse me, the BRILLANT Gentlewoman from New York, the honorable Mrs. Hillary Clinton.
That’s good news, Revisionist – much as I despise Tucker, she and all those who voted for this war should have to answer for what they did and if they deliberately avoided evidence that would have made the war unnecessary, they should be disqualified from running for any office in the future. What a betrayal of the public trust that is.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they start smearing Graham now.
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Apparently, according to reports, Bush completely lost it recently, in front of witnesses. If true, then there is only one course of action that can stop the madness, and that is impeachment. However, that solution didn’t occur to McJoan apparently, I wonder why?
Lol, like that would work, since there is no will to do it as we have seen. The only way out of Iraq is to impeach all of them, Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and anyone else who lied to the American people. But for some incredible reason, Impeachment is ‘off the table’!
so what does everyone think of the xenophobic title of virginiadem’s diary on jérôme à paris’s assessment of obama’s flawed foreign policy? a bit much, no? especially when she uses xenophobic language in her defense of a flawed foreign policy.
LOL I have a feeling louisianagirl AKA pointecoupeedemocrat is landing here as she is spamming urls she picked up for her files.
She keeps it up, I will cut her off.
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Marie, yeah this is not news nor presented as such.
Bill and Hillary supported the war fully. That was clear then.
They wanted war, imo, wide war, war with Iraq in 98. Certainly Cohen, Berger and Albright wanted it, that means the Bilious Twins did as well.
Bill did his war supporting (hell war selling) opinion pieces in the UK press. In spring of 2003. They were disgusting.
Later a “support my bud Blair” opinion piece, as shit rose to the top.
SO scammed.
So called liberal blogs have loved to push this or that from the Bernstein and Gerth/Van Atta books.
Who cares anymore. All I want is wide dissemination for the bile they (that would be the Clintons) constantly vomit.
Horrible people and I surely did not vote for bill in 96.
Oh pass the fucking popcorn I’ve never been in a strip joint.
I should go look at the photo.
Well, it’s nothing hideous. But it’s a little surprising. Though not really. Anyone who must tell everyone about all the pickup lines she’s heard is trying to put up a good front.
Re: the Clintons: I’m heartily sick of both of them. As Ringo said of the Royal Family – they should take a long vacation and never come back.
BHHM: Oh pass the fucking popcorn I’ve never been in a strip joint.
It all reminds me of Flashdance: Political Blogger By Day – Stripper By Night! What a turn-on.
political operative by day…
Brava, Mcat. Just…brava.
BHHM, I’ve never been in a strip joint.
By all means, go. Very instructive, especially in NJ and SC (the carnie strippers in SC are amazing; they do Evangelist Stripping!).
well I saw Carol Doda years ago.
Once, a long long time ago there was still an old burlesque joint out in the Mission, on 16th iirc. Big double doors with heavy velvet drapes. A stage and strippers, long gone by now I am sure…
but never a modern strip joint.
Most strip clubs around here (all in Illinois, as the RC church frowns upon such things here in the Lou) are staffed with college students. Friendly young women who use their youthful charms to further their educations.
Not that I’d know that from personal experience *cough cough*
Kevin
‘CNN host Howard Kurtz (5/20/07) slammed Paul’s “unorthodox theory” about the 9/11 attacks, declaring that “news organizations are allowing ego-driven fringe candidates to muck up debates among those with an actual shot at the White House.”’
There was a certain P. Wolfowitz who argued that U.S. forces stationed in Saudi Arabia had “been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina.” Does anyone know who this Wolfowitz character might be?
It shows just how debased our political discourse has become when those who are doing well in the polls have a monopoly on good motives for running. Today’s media would have rooted for Goliath.
First it was the Washington Post, then USA Today, and now a host on CNN: There are just too many candidates in the race for us. Only the candidates that we think have a chance of winning should be allowed to debate or to get media coverage. You little people shall have two, exactly two, and only two political parties to choose from, and you shall be allowed to choose from the following candidates in the primaries:
Democrats: Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. We might allow the strongest of the other five to get some coverage, but don’t bet the farm on it.
Republicans: Giuliani, McCain, Romney, and Thompson.
MY FIRST STRIP JOINT
When I was a freshman in college (B’more, 1970) I had a friend whose father had been a vaudeville comedian. He knew every operator from Bahston to Miami Beach. In B’more it was the 2 O’Clock Club managed by a very famous stripper, Blaze Starr, an absolutely stunning woman (this in her 70s) who had been the mistress (read- power broker) of Huey Long. She would greet us as long lost friends, seat us at the bald headed table (usually reserved for the elderly rich) and have her girls serve us (non-alcoholic) bevvages. After an hour we had to leave. We loved her, and she enjoyed our company. One of the greatest failures of my youth was to get Ms. Starr to come to a JHU lacrosse game as my guest – she said she had other commitments.
BTW, my friend/fraternity brother became a comedian named Jeff Altman (of “Pink Lady and Jeff” infamy, ABC, early 80s) and is still, I believe, working the East Coast.
well if Bloomberg and/or Hagel enter as Ind. It blows something up. I am not sure what, but something gets blown up.
It moves a range of people, if they can graft on (and I would never vote for either) to run as Ind.
Obviously Bloomberg money, the sheer volume, is an uncommon aspect… but he won’t be the only one.
Whole thing reminds me of the Derby this year, with 19 horses, why watch. So crowded.
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My local news jsut reported that the TB patient, his FIL is a TB specialist at… guess where, the CDC.
Boy that story had silent chapters from minute one, as new wrinkle new wrinkle new wrinkle would roll out.
Kevin, there is much to be said about personal experience, especially that of the true variety. Spill yer gutz and we’ll compare notes.
Mcat, #3. As I said, f’n oon beeliffable..
ooo I remember Blaze Starr… what a great story! wozzle
MCat, wozzle
I’ve never met (or seen) a celebrity stripper. Both of you are a step ahead of me on that score. Basically it’s just a matter of demographics. There are a buttload of colleges and Universities in the area. With tuition being what it is, money has to be gotten somehow. The young women are usually attending Southern Illinois Edwardsville or St Louis U (a Jesuit institution, ironically). They’re pretty comfortable with the job, seeing as how they know it’ll only be for a short duration and not a career. Recent Russian and Ukrainian immigrants will pass through until their english language skills improve. Those exotic good looks make them a lot of money! Stunning, tall, and blond is always in demand even if communication is problematical.
It’s a place holding job, good money until education lets them do the same with their clothes on
Kevin
playing catch-up…..
read Graham’s “Intelligence Matters” a couple (?) years back. After that, was disappointed he dropped out early in the prez race (of ’04). There was no excuse not to read the NIE in full. Graham must have felt like someone who hung a jury.
What matters when the prez is beating his chest–will he brachiate thru the jungle he’s created?
Don’t know what to do next.
All the prez candidates suck. The only thing I can imagine as being a barely acceptable lesser of evils is that someone defeats Hillary for the Dem nom. Preferably Obama, as it would give a teaspoon of hope. But the latter’s stuff is not inspiring, policy-wise.
Gore is impossible. Print the t-shirts saying: “Gore: Because We Want to See Him giving Up Twice”
anyway, that’s my blather.
As to stripping for college money-there’s a young woman I adore and admire, who has done it. I wish she had better opportunities. Her dream is to open a group home for the deaf. She just turned 21 this year.
Scott Ritter:
Ritter continues:
Well, I think it will take the breakdown and violence and blood in the streets, but I have little faith in people. I think we’ve been that mass of indifference for years, hateful and judgemental … and we’ve made our bed, and the whole world will force us to lie (lay? … I never can remember that rule) in it.
Net taxes could arrive by this fall
Man Eats Dog To Protest Animal Cruelty
hauntingly beautiful
hey jam.fuse–I posted that yesterday, when love was such an easy game to play.
The city of Revere and the REAL Minutemen is now a a seething nest of pathetic cowards and nervous nellies.
She was, of course, the church organist, until they fired her, of course:
Christ must be so proud … or He would be, if he was real.
44 — oops
so you did miss d — now I need a place to hide away
hauntingly beautiful
Wow. That was definitely interesting! Thanks for posting it.
And mcat, I didn’t know that about Hillary not reading the NIE. What can one say? They are so eager to send their fellow citizens to be killed in the name of stunning ignorance. It really is inhumane – and that’s not a strong enough word for it.
what is there left to say?
Of course, no one in this country is mourning the countless dead civilians in Iraq.
catnip, finding links to stuff like that is one of the best things about the interweb.
Culture thrives when it can morph and feed off itself.
Always, always, always far too little, far too late…
They are so eager to send their fellow citizens to be killed in the name of stunning ignorance. It really is inhumane – and that’s not a strong enough word for it. — liberal catnip
atrocious, barbarous, bestial, bitter, bloodthirsty, brutal, brutish, callous, cold-blooded, degenerate, demoniac, depraved, evil, hard-hearted, harsh, hateful, heartless, hellish, inhuman, inhumane, malevolent, merciless, monstrous, pernicious, rancorous, relentless, revengeful, ruthless, sadistic, sinful, spiteful, tyrannical, unfeeling, unkind, unnatural, unrelenting, vengeful, vicious, virulent, wicked
there are no words left for these whatever-you-want-to-call-’ems
political whores
catnip, finding links to stuff like that is one of the best things about the interweb.
Absolutely. I need to remind myself now and then to stray off my beaten and far too familiar internets path. There’s an entire world out there. As cliche as that is, it’s certainly true.
I remember when I first surfed the tubes back in ’93. After following a few links, I suddenly felt horribly lost and thought (in my linear-obsessed mind) that I’d never be able to find the site I’d started on again. I was a bit panic-stricken. 🙂
strip clubs are all about transfering money from your pocket to theirs — so make sure to take as many one dollar bills as possible to look like a big spender…
LOL I have a feeling louisianagirl AKA pointecoupeedemocrat is landing here as she is spamming urls she picked up for her files.
I don’t know what she is doing but would prefer she do it elsewhere.
thanks to moiv for emailing the links to me, two wonderful diaries over at the Orange Place (and out of character, sadly):
My Moral Choice
Why I Provide Abortions
Two good men, freedom fighters in any real meaning of the phrase.
why the War on Terror is nothing more than winger agitprop, and not anything real.
I wish I could stay awake…..up at 4 AM today. night.
nighty night miss d
‘Always be ready to speak your mind and a base man will avoid you’
William Blake
Madman and
colleen
out of moderation.
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off to check Spam. No doubt someone is in there!
Ugh Alabama…
How you apologise for slavery is make a better nation.
No liguids in the mouth.
CA Nurses manage to define Hillary (and her newest health care debaucle):
it’s a diary over at OrangeRote
All you can do is laugh… she did it once, she is doing it again. LOL
Think Madman linked upthread…
but Dr harrison’s diary over at OrangeRote is a Great One.
jacinto tries, but gets nowhere.
‘night, Miss D. sleep well Why she had to go I don’t know, she wouldn’t say and I do remember your corgi post yesterday! Lol! Nice comeback from Jam.fuse – now you have me trying to remember all the words of that song ….
Miss Devore…
🙂 early to bed early to rise early to comment…
Corgi a l’orange? Corgi in a reduction sauce with sautee’d mushrooms?
They don’t look tasty, not yesterday and not today.
I must say he picked a pointed protest!
I didn’t go to a strip club until I was 22 – never really had much interest. But when I first arrived in Manhattan, I went to the Met with a couple of college buddies, and we were really fascinated by the 19th century decorative sculpture – the little figurines – particularly the whole ‘Lida and the Swan’ series in which the sculptors actually bothered to put detailed labia on pieces that were all of 8 inches tall. So we decided to have a ‘high culture/low culture’ day. After dinner, we trekked down to 8th Ave and 42nd street [when it was still in its original splendor]. We hit the porn shops looking for European porn [always better]. We went to some peep shows [I was naive enough to wonder why there was someone hanging around with a mop]. And we went to a strip club.
Since that time I’ve been in a few. I always liked Billy’s Topless, but that got closed down by Rudy. My band also played several times at the Pussycat Lounge. I think my favorite stripper experience though was completely unexpected. One Valentine’s Day at Motor City Bar [which an old singer of mine helped build], they closed the window doors at 1am & proceeded to turn the bar into a ‘strip joint’. Nothing like non-stripper Lower East Side women having some fun dancing and taking off their clothes on top of the bar – and unlike the ‘strip’ joints in the rest of the city, they did the Full Monty.
Mcat – LA Girl is definitely spamming. I’d cut her off.
SB – “when they’re hitting the keyboard in the middle of the night after a few beers!”
Should I stop drunk posting? I know sometimes in the morning, I can be embarassed by some of the things I’ve written… If anyone is offended by anything I’ve said when my senses aren’t quite with me, please let me know.
oh lucid
what great stories…
Speaking of 8th and 42nd… I was very lucky my mother when I was little would take me into to Manhattan for a couple of weeks when little, when we visited in NJ… but later, quite early on, she let me go in by myself. Take the bus from Princeton to the west side, then I would walk across 42nd to 5th.
I was always a great walker, 40, 50 blocks is nothing to me (more than once I walked from the base of 5th – I loved the old Fifth Avenue Hotel, at 5 Fifth iirc – to past Central Park into Harlem)… and now that it is gone, Disneyfied, Guilianiterminated.. so glad.
#53. Yup. Those words would do it – all together, multiplied by a thousand.
Btw, I doubt that’s Dances With Poles. Whoever wrote those comments isn’t paranoid enough (or whining).
oh post just as you like lucid…
I don’t want anyone lying in bed fretting over what they posted in error or when distressed, if people let me know pretty soon, I will delete.
Only then… quick and have done it for people twice.
*****
Yeah she is spamming. Which is hilarious, as I have told meteor and msoc and nonpartisan and Booman I consider them spammers..
what a hoot!
She is on moderation, will jsut not release any future posts..
I’m depressed. If only I could crochet happiness…
well think of this you could be a wannabe pole dancer, soft lousy erotica blurb writer, paid operative agaisnt Obama.
LOL I have nto figured out which camp pays her, but someobody does.
So catnip, how are the cats?
Scheuer has an article about Ron Paul at antiwar.com.
I also read Jerome a Paris’ diary about Obama’s foreign policy and noticed a lot of denial in the comments (surprise!), along with too many people standing on the American exceptionalism bandwagon while pretending that Obama is still somehow different than the rest of the bunch who want nothing more than to have the US rule the world – militarily, politically, morally, financially etc etc.
Jerome was right when he pointed out that we furriners have our own interests as well and that they’re not all defined by whoever sits in the WH on their throne. It’s the same attitude current US politicians spout about Iraqis: they’re so damn ungrateful – look at all we’ve done for them.
And in Iraq, it’ll be on the backs of the dead – again – as Scheuer points out:
It’s all just a fucking game to them – about who can look the best without actually doing anything to revive a now dying country.
LC – if one could do that, I’d take up crochet… Saw some good shows tonight though, & met a potential participant in the piedmont blues/folk side project I’ve fantasizing about for a year.
Mcat – you always reassure me. I don’t fret in bed, because whenever I write anything I might be embarassed by, I’m usually dead to the world for about 8 hours after that. I guess my point was, sometimes I fly off the cuff & things don’t come out right & I don’t want to offend those I respect if I’m having a bad day.
BTW – about my post last night, I realized when I read it this morning that most people probably wouldn’t interpret those Throwing Muses’ lyrics the way I always have – as a song about domestic violence. My comments afterward only make sense in that context. That repeated line – ‘you have a back like Marie’ – for some reason has always cast my interpretation of the lyrics, in the sense that Marie is a battered woman. I used to spin that album on my College radio show.
So catnip, how are the cats?
Joey’s fine. Shipley, otoh, has suddenly become the neediest cat alive. Long story. I don’t get much sleep at nite. He doesn’t like the confinement here. I am slowly going insane – well – more insane.
catnip
The Democrats are the worst thing on earth.
They want to piggyback on all that bush “accomplished”. I am not lauding him, but he and his knew what a wretched state we were in, lack of political will, corporatisation at a turning point, sold out punditry, editorial staff with a tough grip on newsrooms, ways to buy people, ruin people… and they knew how America loves to hate. And they understood about greed in America.
The violence, destruction, inside America and across the world. The Democrats want all the new power bush grabbed.
They are parasites on a horror.
In some ways they are worse than Bush.
Looks like the Bancroft family (Dow Jones, WSJ, Rupert trying to buy it, etc) is breaking down.
I read a couple of weeks ago that Rupert began some strong arm tactics. Despite poor revenue at WSJ, the family members (about 35 of them around) have continued to draw substantial remittances. Rupert started to work to throw a wrench in the deal (meaning their cosy set up).
Floyd Norris said a month ago that the family would crack and take between 6 and 8 billion.
As my singer remarked to me today about our bassist – it’s not like I’m emotionally stable, but I wonder if he’s just off… I go more insane by the year – or maybe I just get more sane by the year & the world is just getting fucking out of control. Like Midas, I always pretend the latter.
I also cannot comprehend how people are so ignorant to our long and documented relationship with Bin Laden & to the clear reasons he declared war on America. Seriously. All conspiracy theories aside. We put his organization together under Carter and Reagan to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. We sold them out after the fall of the Soviet Union. They got pissed that we occupied Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War… That’s mainstream history.
There is, of course, a hell of a lot more going on there, but the fact that our own government and those that aspire to be in it cannot grasp the most basic facts leaves me fretting in my bed.
Well if Rupert bought the WSJ what would really change? 😉
Lucid, I’ve never seen anything you’ve written that you should feel embarrassed about. On the contrary. I was referring to certain ‘blahgers’ on dk who promote themselves as being something they are not. I was just wondering if they actually believe in their own characterizations of themselves, or just don’t think ahead to a time when others might get to judge for themselves. Nothing of importance either way, just idle speculation …. so not to worry.
Catnip, when you crochet something for someone else, it does bring happiness to someone. It’s hard not to be depressed lately though.
This might make you laugh considering the source …
Lol! Wasn’t he one of the biggest promoters of the ratings system on dk? If he stays on TL much longer he’ll be completely reformed. Kos might want to send Hunter and DhinMi there for rehab, and a few others ….
I recently read a more … haunting quote from the Carter Zbig era…
when Carter signed the secret authorization to help the mujahideen in July of 79, zbig wrote to Carter that it would provoke soviet response. In a few months when they invaded, crossed over… what ever the words…. Zbig wrote Carter that the “Soviets had been handed their Vietnam war”.
I just hated that after years of Kissinger we had to get Zbig.
No one is any good tho really.
well honestly lucid, some of the reporting is drop dead excellent. The op/ed is a HORROR.
But no matter where it is now, it would move RIGHT.
Rupert: antoher fucked bi partisan event. Cuomo assisted his greasy slide into the US. War monger.
I think I’ll write a bit about the politics of insecurity tomorrow as it relates to Maslow’s Heirarchy. The bottom rung includes survival needs and right above that is safety. If you can’t rise above those levels, you’re doomed to a very unfulfilled life with a lot of despair. (Not that the trip is always linear, but there’s a reason for those aspects to act as the broad foundation of the heirarchy upon which everything else exists.)
Anyway, as stunned as Bush, the GOP and the Dems appear to be, the fact that they know that keeping people at a psychological level of insecurity that stunts an individual’s sense of safety (constantly under some threat from a real or perceived enemy while refusing to fix obvious and necessary security problems) actually helps them all to keep the population from rising up. It’s one of the most insidious forms of suppression and tyranny.
That’s why they can constantly get away with promising to use a hammer (military might) where a much less threatening approach (diplomacy) would actually work. They keep promising security, but never deliver.
I’m rambling…just thinking a lot about survival needs tonite because I’m gearing up to start a new blog about coping with poverty.
Mcat – that was the policy from the beginning on Afghanistan. They wanted the Soviets to have their own expensive guerilla war failure. It wasn’t Reagan who crafted the ‘let’s just bakrupt them’ strategy. It wasn’t Carter either.
It’s so funny to see Zbig come full circle and repudiate pretty much everything, while folks like McNamara apologize only for Vietnam and not the World Bank.
Yes I understand,, the quote tho, the exact quote, I had not read before.
I have made use of much of Zbig’s commentary over the past years. Very useful. Not sure tho how much he has really repudiated. As long as he says things against this war, agianst Bush agasint the clintons (he is really good on their strangle games) I will use him.
Mario? Or his kids?
I always remember that Mario speech at the Democratic Covention in, was it 1984. I was only 12, but I thought he would be the next major candidate… guess there was too much mob shit.
Though for the Op/Ed pages, I guess one should mention Susan Faludi. She completely exposed the RW lies regarding professional women in the ’80’s, the ‘biological clock’, and all such nonsense.
Mario. Along with famous Big Jews (don’t worry I use Big Catholic as well… and a few other slams). The name eludes me, oh the Bronfman family. Among others.
It is really horrifying .. nothing new.
catnip
well I use the post WW2 phrase of “strategy of tension”… it was applied to the uses the “left behind” forces, NATO related, RW in italy (and other countries). Most of their horrors were assigned to the Left, tho the hard right, anti communist, CIA backed new fascists did most of the terror.
Google “Gladio”
Bush and the government is conducting internal terror.
Thanks MitM and Marisa for the links to the doctors’ diaries.
They’re both good friends, good doctors and (just as important) such good men.
The last couple of weeks have been pretty much a blur, but some good news. Her doc professes himself amazed that she’s survived, but today my 83 y/o mother-in-law got herself out of ICU and into convalescent/rehab.
While yesterday my own doc pronounced me “a heart attack waiting to happen.” (Just imagine, he thinks I overdo.) I told him to stop being silly. No one in my family has ever had a heart atack, and wouldn’t dream of it.
Catnip, when you crochet something for someone else, it does bring happiness to someone.
Okay, okay, the lanyards will be in the mail on Monday.
moiv!
Great news on your MIL… I hope she does well and is out soon.
Please take care of yourself… 🙂
You’re not rambling. This is the reason behind the ‘drug war’. This is the reason behind the American obsession with ‘crime’. This is the reason behind the ‘war on terror’. This is the reason behind the American obession with promoting and ‘protecting’ people from something that is less likely to kill them than a lightening strike.
For Catnip’s Cat’s sake, the entirety of the ‘Situation Room’ was dedicated to some dude with TB who happened to travel a lot & exposed countless people to TB. He was compared to a terrorist by the people interviewed. Now yes, that is a public health issue. But honestly, is it newsworthy? Is he a terrorist? TB is coming to a mall near you. Be afraid. Be very, very afraid [meanwhile, the mall slugs imbibe all sorts of horrible things, like factory foods, that will give them cancer & will shorten their lives, but is there a ‘terrorist alert’ for that?].
If we are afraid to die, we are afraid to live. If we are afraid to live, we sign away our right to life to those who profit from our death.
Catnip, good post on Ron Paul …. they used to leave him alone when he just made speeches on the floor that no one heard. I think he came slowly to the realization that US foreign policy might be the cause of terrorism. I remember a few years ago, reading a speech he gave where he began to question the past 60 years of supporting the worst dictators and asking that the policies be reviewed. I think he titled the speech ‘What if we were wrong’. No one got too upset about his questioning, unlike the reaction to Cynthia McKinney, eg.
Maybe that’s why he ran for president, so he could get a bigger microphone as he watches the destruction of this country. They are paying attention to him now, demanding that he not be allowed in the debates. Same goes for Gravel and Kucinich. It could not be more clear that both Dems and Repubs do not want the truth to come out. But, and maybe I’m an optimist, I think it will and when it does, things will begin to change.
As for Giuliani, there aren’t enough words to express how I despise that man. I am hoping that he will implode as did his ‘top cop’ before this is all over when the truth about him is finally learned.
Lucid, I remember reading that poem and wasn’t sure if it was about domestic violence …. and, btw, I love most everything you write –
Good news about your MIL, moiv.
Google “Gladio”
I’ll do that. Thanks.
Bush and the government is conducting internal terror.
Well, he did say it would be a lot easier if he was a dictator and I don’t put all of the blame on Cheney and Rove for the horror show. Bush (really) is not a stupid man (although his speech writers are obviously programmed peons from hell). He knows what he’s doing enough to realize that his real agenda of being Head Fearmonger ™ is what’s kept him in power. Where would he be if 9/11 hadn’t happened? Out on his faux Texan ass.
lucid
the TB story has been very interesting to follow. All the uses the ”story” was put to.
Providential it was. For the government.
However he is an atty and can wade thru this mess. Fortunately.
SB,
I’ve actually read a lot of Ron Paul’s stuff because it’s often featured at antiwar.com which I check every nite when they update it. (I did reel back in horror when he wrote a column in which he called abortions “genocide”).
I’m certainly not a libertarian and hate finding myself nodding in agreement to what Pat Buchanan has written there also sometimes, but what’s been going on with the Bush regime and the Dems just screams for a more open-minded world/political view that can’t be found by hanging out on partisan sites (stating the obvious).
Good for you, especially if your doctor was relating it to something like cholesteral tests… Heart disease is oxidation, inflamation & stress. Strangely hard core athletes have more incidence of heart attacks because they overstress the body. And then their are those who have abandonned all saturated fats who experience the same.
Great to hear your MIL is now out of immediate danger. My Dad’s radiation therapy starts in late June.
Oh they freak out and topple over when they take my cholesterol. It runs high on my mother’s side of the family… also no heart attacks.
I will say I laughed out loud the day Jim Fixx collapsed and DIED.
Stress will kill me off.
catnip
I have posted things that report on israeli policy decisions in the 50s that the country “must always be at war”, in order to keep the people in a state of fear. Fixated on war, dependant on their government for defense and protection (they think). And of course neither is what the government provides.
Same thing here, now.
My entire mother’s side of the family suffered from ‘heart disease’. They all had extremely high cholesterol. None of them had issues until they were in their ’80’s & the ages they died? 103, 101, 99, 96, 88.
If only I live that long…
I must confess, I do have a secret desire to be a vampire.
LOL … Jim Fixx. The patron saint of running yourself into the ground. I remind people of that whenever they ask whether I go to the gym: “Exercise??? That stuff will kill you! Haven’t you ever heard of Jim Fixx?”
Yes, lucid and Mcat, he freaked at the cholesterol — but everything else was perfect, so not bad for 56 this month.
And lucid, dead-spot-on about gassing us with fear. That’ll kill you faster than cholesterol — at least, it will kill evrything in you that matters.
These days, “nothing to fear but fear itself” will get you nothing but a referral for a psych work-up.
speaking of the TB thing … CNN, in it’s wisdom as a “news” source, decided that the TB traveler “issue” was tied somehow to the IMMIGRATION BILL (?!???!?!?) and turned to LAURA INGRAHAM (@#!!*#$!) for some “thoughtful” commentary.
***pounds head on desk***
We’re so fucked.
Off to work. Have a good day, everybody.
ps. glad to hear about your MIL moiv.
Great news about your MIL, Moiv ….
Lol, Mitm, I don’t watch tv news anymore, it’s just too frustrating.
Hey moiv, I just got over to Clockwork Orange and read those abortion-provider diaries. Many, many thanks for helping to get those on the site. They are amazing people and the Kossites certainly need to hear their points of view.
It’s good to see all the support for the docs over there, but so depressing that the same old anti-choice shit keeps coming up. Will it never end??? I feel like the anti-Jim Crow protesters must have felt when they kept seeing the usual racists making their usual racist complaints: “they really are different from us, more primitive, less moral” and “would you want your sister to marry one?” and all the rest.
it just makes you despair for human nature.
But the docs’ diaries gave me a burst of hope. Thanks again.
oh, and PS: thanks for letting us know about your mother in law. Best wishes to you and her.
The TB “Typhoid Mary” story is very bizarre. How did he ever come down with this, anyway? And what a strange coincidence that it’s his father-in-law’s specialty.
Hmmm.
Does anyone remember that old movie with Richard Widmark and Jack Palance, Panic in the Streets? It was about a doc and a cop in New Orleans trying to track down a murderous thug who’s a carrier of pneumonic plague. Good gritty stuff with great location photography, sort of like a Naked City for public health. Directed by Elia Kazan. Catch it if you see it listed anywhere.
SV, the TB story is strange. His FIL is a micro-biologist who specializes in TB research. He made a statement on the radio today saying that he is not responsible for his son-in-law’s desease.
Apparently, according to his SIL, he was not told to stay off planes, or not to travel. He says he asked his doctors about it. He apologized for any harm he may have done.
Speaking of micro-biologists, I remember reading that many have died under strange circumstances over the past several years.
The Prosecution Rests in the Conrad Black Case
If found guilty on all counts, he faces up to 101 years in jail.
I saw the FIL of the patient on film, highly defensive.
Makes you wonder a bit.
The patient is an atty and apparently he ws ‘advised” not to travel. He can parse the legal meaning of words. It ws while they were travelling that the seriousness of the illness tested out. Apparently the testing processes ofr the disease are antiquated.
LOL I think he was a fool to avoid quarantine in Italy (his reason for flying home). Hell at least you get wine in hospital.
One report mentioned a n toehr man who has been in full forced quarantine since last July. Same strain apparently.
Interesting story, full of turns and odd quirks.
I just read both abortion provider diaries too. I note that the faux moralists have limited themselves to a couple of squeaks.
This being one of them:
So, I remember this guy from long ago and cannot remember him ever expressing the slightest bit of concern for issues which would would make any community more welcoming to the poor in general much less low income single mothers. (despite their ‘flaws’) Indeed I can never recall him expressing concern for anything which did not directly affect upper middle class white males.
He’s been posting on DK for years now and the only thing I can recall about him is this sort of crap. Can anyone recall him posting about poverty issues? ever?
Dan Bartlett has resigned to…[insert drum roll here]…spend more time with his family.
That presumes there are, in fact, people without “flaws”. I wonder who those people are.
Didn’t moiv write in her last diary that she had invited this doctor to post there? Yet it’s seen as some grand and secret conspiracy – as if there’s something horribly wrong with having an expert in the field write about his experiences. Well actually, I suppose there is, if you’ve wrapped yourself in sanctimonious bullshit and talking points that someone with more experience than you can tear apart.
Hmmm…what’s impeachment pr0n doing on the FP of dkos? Someone fire that “open thread” poster right now!
mcat,
CNN is showing footage of the Lebanese army attacking the refugee camp in Lebanon. “Heavy artillery fired on camp, tanks move in.” I wonder how many innocent refugees will be killed in this “operation”.
What’s ‘impeachment pron’? Does that involve some futuristic computer game & shellfish?
Yes. In the year after 9-11, somewhere around 14 of the world’s leading micro biologists/virologists died under extremely bizarre circumstances. All of them had ties to biological warfare research. The CTers amongst us were suspicious that this was a harbinger of doom. There’s been plenty of doom since then, but fortunately there has not yet been an instance of bio-warfare [save the anthrax letters sent by the Bush administration].
Lol, Catnip, I saw the ‘Impeachment Porn’ on the FP – has dk been infiltrated?
They are all bent out of shape over there because Cindy Sheehan was interviewed by Alex Jones and slammed bloggers and the Dems. Someone put up a diary with a transcript to the interview. Needless to say, the usual suspects showed up, including Luscious Vagina demanding that the diary be deleted with several declaring Cindy S. a (gasp) conspiracy theorist! The Scarlet Letter was applied by those who consistently protect the Bush administration from any kind of questions regarding their behavior both before and after 9/11.
Well, she did question the official story of 9/11 and the collapse of Bldg 7 (not hit by a plane, and I think it was recently revealed that it was brought down for safety purposes, by the authorities). The diary was deleted for ‘copyright violation’.
Another diary was published about the interview and it is clear that Cindy S has the same questions about 9/11 that increasing numbers of Americans have. More than half of NYers haven’t believed the official conspiracy theory for years.
You have to wonder why the so-called Liberal blogs insist on censoring any questions about this event. Sort of like Democrats helping to protect Bush and Cheney from giving testimony under oath and in secret. It’s really funny to watch indoctrinated kossacks, scared to death of being called a CT, join in the condemnation of anyone who dares to question. That place really is spooky in terms of watching how some people really can be controlled by propaganda and fear, even fear of what others will think of them. Scary really.
What’s ‘impeachment pron’?
kos 12:22
Does that involve some futuristic computer game & shellfish?
You have an interesting imagination there, lc. 😉 Although I think if it involved shellfish, it would be imbeachment pr0n.
SB: many of the Kossites deeply enjoy public stonings.
Lol, catnip, that’s kos on the US Constitution. It’s just ‘porn’ to him! And that change he was working for? Lol!
Otoh, if the rule of law had been applied starting in January, that might have brought about some significant change. That little declaration came during the impeachment wars.
imbeachment Lol! Shellfish
Impeachment pr0n?
Black judicial robes and a pink crustacean.
Black judicial robes and a pink crustacean.
To the tune of A White Sportcoat (And A Pink Carnation).
i went to a strip club when i was 18 with a group of women to see their friend. most unerotic. when i lived in autin, i went to a couple famous ones there (where george clooney hound dogs) and just never got turned on by sitting with my male friends and having strangers dance naked for my money. and the strippers i know personally all tend to have some awful sexual trauma in their past.
as for ron paul, i voted for him as libertarian candidate in 88. i was young at the height of my ayn randian phase. but paul was a smart guy. i just don’t believe anymore in the unrealistic and unhelpful ways of the libertarians — unlike that phony scam artist kos. someday there will be a book out on how he bilked the blogosphere. after arnold hires him for re-branding work in 2008 no doubt.
and laura ingraham is today officially going up against george bush in a startling display of being the unfashionably late to the party. but she has good reasons to be anry at bush. you know, the dark skin folk comn’ in…you should have heard her smug proud tone as if this skank of the right is some kind of rebel…
FYI: The live chat with Morris Dees and Richard Cohen (about Lou Dobbs’ anti-immigrant tirades) is on right now. (2:30pm ET)
K…scrap that. The chat is over already.
News out of London is that the Shin Bet helped stage the Entebbe hostage/hijack situation because the PLO was making inroads….
Dahr Jamail on antiwar.com radio gives a horrific picture of what life is really like in Baghdad.
unlike that phony scam artist kos. someday there will be a book out on how he bilked the blogosphere Cad
I came across this article on the ‘netroots’ today –
Democratic Spin eon’t end the War in Iraq
Matt Stoller attempted to use an old ‘divide and conquer’ tactic in his attack on Stauber, in this case he decided that Stauber’s ‘naivitee’ was a result of being of a ‘different generation of liberals’. Lol! If Stauber was not of a different generation, they would have found another rightwing-type ‘slam’ to smear him with.
Such rightwing tactics are exactly what caused the ‘netroots’ to be labeled as ‘rightwing wannabes’ – and Stoller et al prove this to be true each time they dip into their winger bag of tricks, even while the deny their hero worship of the likes of Rove et al.
Stoller, lap-dog that he is, made a complete fool of himself as did DK and Moveon.
Here is Stoller’s extremely stupid reaction to criticism of the Dems by Stauber. And as the world now knows, he couldn’t have been more wrong:
Rotfl, the passive agression of the netroots makes them even more despicable than the right they so admire. At least the right is straighforward in their agression.
But it was Stauber who was proven right in the end. Could be that experience has value after all, although it’s doubtful that people like Stoller will ever learn. It is not a generation thing, it is a question of intelligence and mostly of morals. Both traits sadly lacking among the big boyz ..
And Stoller’s hilarious attempt at defending his netroot buddies and the Dems they work for:
Yes, they are doing a bad job – they are persuading no one, let alone an entire country. Check out the polls on Dems in Congress now. You really wonder if these people are hired BECAUSE they are stupid enough to spew garbage like this!
Cad, your comment about a book made me think of this article, which is fairly tame, but shows that the game they played of being independent and liberal is not fooling people anymore. They have accomplished nothing, well, unless you are the Dem or Repub leadership, then you are probably happy with they’ve done.
Correction – the last paragraph is from Stauber, my comment above it is about Stoller’s defense of the Dems and the netroots.
Catnip, thanks for that link ….. it is a crime beyond belief what this country has done to Iraq …… thanks to people like Dahr Jamail for attempting to record it.
Sorry!
Unexpectedly out of commission for a couple hours.
There si a new one that is nearly ready to go … and will check Spam and Moderation jail now.
=^..^=
Sabrina comment at 128 was in Moderation.
Sorry!
We had a big outage here. Well most of the neighborhood is still out.
But I noticed that the TV was still on in the kitchen… and the fridge and the appliances on the other wall… so I rigged up a connection with surge protectors and heavy duty long long cords.
What a hoot! I was amazed I could do it, frankly.
That is a big work out for me… so after I put up the next post will probably flop.
#128. SB, I did a post about that Stauber article last Friday and Stauber actually sent me a thank you e-mail. That was nice of him.
Catnip, thanks for that link ….. it is a crime beyond belief what this country has done to Iraq …… thanks to people like Dahr Jamail for attempting to record it.
You’re welcome. It’s a really informative interview.
the sad fact is that these new-school dems or progressives or whateva they “brand” themselves, think they can use republican corporate methods to effect change when in reality they just get closer to the rotten core of a rotten system.
it’s very much the image of a hoodied, ipod wearing smug blogger flipping his hand at bloodied elder from the 60’s/70’s and saying, “you’re out of touch, old hippie. our way works better.”
at getting them funded anyway, which be their goal.
#111 Colleen
East side democrat: A “PR effort” by moiv and others: Yeah, so what if it is? It’s not like there aren’t any “PR efforts” over there to promote the anti-choice candidates, the pro-war candidates, or to clamp down on discussion of 9/11. It’s not like there aren’t “PR efforts” by nightcrawler, trailermatt, or “cookiebear ‘runs with scissorhands’ to sway the dialog and keep it conservative and mainstream.
I’m glad the pro-criminalization crowd didn’t get a lot of traction in those diaries. Of course, why these diaries aren’t on the front page is still a mystery, given the high profile of Needier Blades, the great “feminist.” showing up in every one of them to say “I’m part of this movement, I was an abortion provider in the past.” The one by Beket, IIRC, didn’t even make the recommended list with hundreds of comments.
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A “PR effort” by moiv and others: Yeah, so what if it is?
Indeed.
given the high profile of Needier Blades, the great “feminist.” showing up in every one of them to say “I’m part of this movement, I was an abortion provider in the past.”
I believe thatMB was over here last week throwing a hissy fit and claiming responsibility for the abortion diaries on dk. I didn’t believe him. It’s pretty obvious who has been doing the heavy lifting and it sure isn’t the shamelessly self aggrandizing Tim Lange.