The Guiding Light of Wall Street… 23 July 2007
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, California / Pacific Coast, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.trackback

I hardly touch on financial matters (anything more than the date on a page gives me a huge headache). A big big dip on the stock exchange, some oddity I notice… However, I saw this at Danny Schechter’s News Dissector - a good fluid piece on the sub prime implosion, found it eminently readable and followed the link…
First, a long snag from Schechter
[T]hen, as predicted but at first downplayed, the bubble began to burst. Suddenly, it was not just poor people to be blamed for being financially irresponsible—even as two million families face foreclosures of their homes— but the whole financial industry itself.
Wall Street is far more culpable than main street.
Last week, Credit Suisse, predicted a big stock market fall in 6 months because securities are overvalued. The Fed warned of l00 Billion in credit losses. The Guardian reported, “Some analysts said they feared a broader credit crunch if a collapse in confidence in the US mortgage market rippled out to other parts of the debt markets.” A NY Post article suggested that over two TRILLION dollars is at risk. Of course, all of this is speculative but as they say, when there is smoke in high places, fire can’t be far behind.
Last Saturday, the New York Times reported, “Anxiety over securities backed by risky mortgage and rising interest rates has roiled the credit market for several moths. Now the CONTAGION (caps mine) from those troubles seems to be spreading into other parts of the marketplace.”
Terms like “roiled” and “contagion” are insider words for a spreading panic Writing on Money And Markets.com, Mike Larson declares “ITS ALL HITTING THE FAN.
He says two Bear Sterns funds simply “VAPORIZED” explaining,
“In plain English, here’s what happened:
These funds invested in complicated mortgage securities
They used extensive leverage, or borrowed money, to improve returns … Then, delinquencies and foreclosures started surging, and the value of the underlying loans and bonds tied to them began sinking fast.”
Now private equity firms which have been making monster deals built on debt are being squeezed. Much of the debt is being seen as junk. We have also learned that the agencies rating credit and debt offerings had their heads in their rear ends. They have lost credibility putting the market at more risk.
The excellent website Mi-explode.com reports that since late 2006 l00 major US Lenders have collapsed or “imploded.” The editor sums up the reasons this way: “Thank you greed; thank you delusion; thank you anti-regulation—we couldn’t have done it without you!”
The press is beginning to wake up and realize how important this is. They have been talking about the rise of the stock market as if that tells the whole story. Yes, some corporate profits are up but what’s happening down below is alarming. Note, the market fell nearly 150 points after last weeks high of 14000.
Business Week saya that the subprime crisis is spreading to other kinds of debt, and far more serious than thought writing it is “Only a surprise to those who listened exclusively to soundbite-based talking-heads belaboring “subprime” as an isolated implosion. Around here, long ago we were forwarding along data and analysis showing sharp rises in delinquencies in virtually all classes of consumer debt.”
More Contagion.
We are finally beginning to talk about real money and a real danger of the kind that terrifies bankers and the elite. They may not care about the poor, but they do about themselves!
As Mike Larson suggests: “Ultimately, losses on subprime mortgage bonds alone may total as much as $90 billion, according to one estimate. Losses on collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), investment vehicles created from slices of various mortgage-backed securities and asset-backed securities, may total billions more.” [snip]
A few snips from the Larson article
Meanwhile, News from the Housing
Industry Keeps Getting Worse and WorsePulte Homes (PHM) became the latest builder to warn of big problems in its business. The third-largest home builder said orders plunged 20% from a year ago. And it’s going to take as much as $770 million in pre-tax charges to write down the value of land and other assets on its books.
Meanwhile, the National Association of Home Builders released its latest monthly index data, which dropped four points in July to 24.
That was far worse than the 27 reading expected by economists … the third-lowest level on record … and the worst since January 1991. All three sub-indices — which measure present home sales, expectations for future sales, and current buyer traffic — fell, too.
Here is a good place to say a small thing I do know. I don’t usually include charts / graphs from articles but see that big dip in ’91… I am sure we all remember that. Out here, in the Bay Area and in the highly desirable counties north of the City, we barely felt that nice big rise in 93/94… what happens out here in a recession and a big hit on RE, etc. our RE, from developers moving on options, to housing starts, to selling – from cheapish condos to multi-million dollar property prior to foreclosure, it all screws down hard, freezes in place (owners needing to sell start weeping) and does not move for years. We did not exit from the recession in the early 90s, in terms of RE, until the late nineties. Not really. The dirty secret is we needed that nasty bubble the Venture Capitalists (VC) churned out of the dot com (or as I call it, dot com dot died) era. That did not end too well, for some people at least…
Just my view.
A snip for two more from Larson…
Here’s My Point: The Worst Is
Not Over, So Protect Yourself!I’ve been closely following the mortgage and housing markets for years. Since things started topping out in mid-2005, and the long slump got underway, I have heard two things almost every step of the way.
The first is that the worst is over and the bottom is in.
All along, I have maintained there is no evidence of that. And this week, even the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, was forced to admit as much before Congress. He said,
“Although a leveling-off of home sales in the second half of 2006 suggested some tentative stabilization of housing demand, sales have softened further this year, leading the number of unsold new homes in builders’ inventories to rise further relative to the pace of new home sales. Accordingly, construction of new homes has sunk further, with starts of new single-family houses thus far this year running 10 percent below the pace in the second half of last year.”
I was so entertained in a sort of fin de siecle way… The law firm I was at in the late 80s (’87 to ’00) was uniquely positioned to catch the drift shall we say. They had a special relationship with Bechtel and were involved in global building projects, aside from everything else…. And they did catch the drift, in ’89. But did nothing. Like a lot of big firms they waited for a well known event to blame it all on (“we were holding our own in a tough market until…”) Some firms out here used 9/11 to make moves in a softening economy… My firm held off, held off. ‘Til ’91, when they began large lay-offs.
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Kos dictum announcing that he is about to cleanse the site again. Apparently, too many thoughtful people are posting, it’s out of control. Interesting that he’d quote Bush in the title.
This Freerepublic model will never work on progressives, but it is entertaining to watch him try.
OOW — Romney’s sign, JetBlue and civility are far more important topics than imepachment activists holding a sit in in conyers office.
I dont know how you can claim to be a political blog and not really cover or address that.
LOL and the Rulz Commissarz come out to play.
Someone should hang doughnuts off her nipples – as long as her personal appendages are such a topic on what once was a political discussion site… (this is not a family blog,
)
I note that El Caudillo Anaranjado yet again invokes that “libertarian” label for himself. Now, in my experience the people who use this term to describe themselves are those who want to have all the advantages of living in a highly developed, centralized, and powerful nation while avoiding any of the responsibilities, most specifically, having to pay taxes. So it’s pretty much a meaningless term anyway, even more so than “I’m a social liberal and an economic conservative,” a line usually spouted by people who think largely the same way as the “libertarians.” All the same, the notion that someone as determined to make everyone at that site knuckle under to his viewpoint about anything is a “libertarian” is just too absurd for words. At any rate, if he wants to start banning the people most responsible for the ugly atmosphere, he can start with the people he has given administrator privileges to. But then having tolerated Armando’s antics for so long, it’s obvious he cares less about what actually goes on in the comment threads than he is about seeing that a very limited and officially approved set of talking points is discussed and agreed too by the purged and purified mass of Kossacks.
It’s amazing how many people actually believe Kos just made an appeal for civility on the site.Do they really think that courtesy will be required? Won’t they be disappointed.
Someone who doesn’t care if they’re banned should let them know this was simply an announcement that the most vocal pro-impeachment users will now be removed without further notice. It’s like their little children transfixed by a fairy tale.
I wonder if OPOL can post anymore, poor guy, he was planning to go to Yearly. He was warned.
Well, Cindy insulted the Dem Party and they’re crying into their widdle kleenex over it ….
Oow, did I not predict they are planning a purge a few threads back? Rotfl! Too predictable to even be interesting anymore. They have to protect the ‘Party’ – not the Country, that is secondary always on dk.
They send out their agitators, DHinMi et al (who no matter what Miss L says will remaind suspected of being a paid shill by SOMEONE!) Of course she didn’t deny it, she asked for ‘proof’ and probably thought we ignorant hussies and bastards missed that she didn’t deny it!
I hope he is planning on getting rid of the main instigators, DHinMi and I don’t mean pretending and letting him use one of his sock-puppet accounts. That was meant to be funny, in case anyone thought I actually thought Kos was legitimately going to get rid of instigators and not just ‘Progressives’! Btw, has he addressed the Non-Democrat who posts on his fp yet?
He’s sooooo tough behind that little laptop screen …. ‘I will act mercilessly’!! What a charicature he is!! Really, he thinks he is in some third world dictatorship where the 1st Amendemnt doesn’t apply – oops! Rotfl!
Really I hope that the top diarists over there will quit and take half the place with them. If you live in a dictatorship where you never get a fair hearing, why keep trying? Rusty will be the first ot be banned and if people do not stand up en masse and threaten to leave, they will move on to probably Buhdy who they hate with a passion because so often he has made DHinMi look a total freak and moron. Not hard to do but most people don’t waste time on him. And next Opol if they think they can get away with it.
Impeachment is to be taken over by Meteor Blades and controlled. Armando didn’t get the memo, imo, when he went after MB for the first impeachment diary on the FP. He didn’t know the plan, or he was meant to draw attention to it. They cannot be trusted at all, not a word they say. ….. So, they are working hard to demean those who have led the impeachment cause on dk, and then take it over control it and make sure it doesn’t happen. Good luck to them …
I really hope a new, big progressive site develops from all this … there are rumblings – that’s all I can say, as the writing is on the wall over at the big orange re-education center. It really is time all progressives dumped the place and leave it to the righties.
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Boohoohooman, re your post in the last thread, I agree with you that Independents (some anyway) might lose, and that that might give Republicans a win. But more and more I’m thinking that’s what it may take before we get real change. If all that has happened already, cannot even rouse so-called progressives to demand Impeachment, we need more to happen. And I will not be persuaded to try to avoid that by voting Dem this time. That tactic sure didn’t work did it? Let it get as bad as it takes to wake them up! I just resent that all of us will have to suffer too …
I bet you a dollar OPOL is already gone, that diary seemed directly aimed at him. I’ve already sent my condolences, I hope they weren’t premature.
Kos is at least as cynical as any Bushie out there, they must coach him. It’s the most articulate and civil members he is targeting, but he claims this purge is courtesy related. It’s mindboggling that the users there don’t notice the parallel.
anyone who claims this event is anything but a celebration of the best the Democratic Party has to offer is simply, to put it mildly, blinded by partisan rage and completely out-of-touch with reality.
JetBlue’s new pre-flight video
by kos
Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 08:52:11 AM PDT
JetBlows:
Okay, so JetBlue, after deciding to resist Bill O’Reilly’s pressure last night, just decided to back down. Let them know what you think about that.
corporatecommunications@jetblue.com
what’s all this about kos being a libertarian?
didn’t he read the FAQ?
troll-rate!
Oow, if it was courtesy related, DHinMi and MissLaura, Paintykat, musings, elise et al would have been gone long ago. Eg, DHinMi called Opol a McCarthyite yesterday and was rec’d by the same people who weep over anyone comparing them to rightwingers. In fact on any other site, they are the classic definition of trolls!
It is not a progressive site. People have to understand that and then they will stop being frustrated by it. I watch it now the way I used to watch Freerepublic. To learn and observe their tactics that is all.
As far as Opol being gone, I doubt it. Not yet. But it’s clear why the trolls were so busy in Impeachment diaries over the past week or so. This is all planned and orchestrated. Feingold coming to try to calm the waters etc. Fake liberal, MB ‘taking over’ impeachment on the fp, armando all upset or pretending to be, making MB look like a martyr for the cause etc. Or whatever games they play. And the attacks on Cindy Sheehan … so focused on impeachment, part of the Constitution so they can’t ban it as a subject bu their livlihood must depend on protecting their bosses from the screams of the mob. Too bad! We’ll be screaming even louder now that we know it works! Lol!
Iow, keep calling Nancy, Conyers et al. They really DON’T want you to …
But this is clear, for some reason, talk of Impeachment, real genuine talk, causes them to go insane. Opol et al are stepping on some kind of minefield, and the dishonest creeps who run that site, will not tell the truth, so Kos and his thugs just make shit up! Civility, lol!
DHinMi and the usual gang earned their keep – or think they did. But his little announcement was more than predictable … we were actually waiting for it! They are not very clever … just willing to sell their souls, as the Jetblue incident proved beyond a doubt.
Btw, we have to remember what Kos said about Jetblue ‘I am a fan’ and when ‘progressives’ tried to tell him he should not be a fan of a company that was anti-labor, it fell on deaf ears. Now ‘they suck’ but for all the wrong reasons.
Those are kos’ principles …
Speaking of principles. The Dems do it again!! Instead of going straight for Inherent Contempt, they are wasting time and going for Statuary Contempt.
Bush imo, actually made a rare mistake last week, by announcing he would order the DOJ not to take on the subpoena cases. I wondered why he didn’t just let it play out and waste the time of Congress. I think they realized it later and tried to retract a little. However, Congress to the rescue! As usual!
There is no explanation for the things they do. Going for Inherent Contempt was a way to back them into a corner at least, although I don’t think it’s as effective as going for Impeachment. They can still involve the courts with IC as far as I know.
Way to go. Even when Bush hands them an opportunity to go after him hard, they back away, and give him an out. Harriet Meirs and Rove are smiling.
Oops, that quote in my #10 is from Kagro’s diary on DK …. http://www.dailykos.com/
And Bob Fertik has a diary up about Cindy at Conyers’ office on the Rec. list.
LOL they all look like frigging nutters to me. And not much else. It won;t stop anything but they are close to being cannibals by now… eating at core flesh.
But they are in a gutter business, politics. It is a good place for dysfuntionals to hide.
I don’t know who else watched a lot of state level debates, runs for the House etc. Often there was a Libertarian. Now, everybody knows they come in all stripes. I saw a lot I thought were put in place, in the debates at least, fake runs, little side ops, by the Republicans. Strains of Liberatarian (small and large “L”, both) can make some R look mild.
Esp if that is the game.
Seems that is Kos’ game, has been all along. They sure don’t support a progressive/liberal/left ticket. Never have. LOL colonisers…
I remember when Granny D still commented, very early on would do the occasional diary. She shepherded Gravel’s first forays in the lower 48, took him around to Dem party groups etc., in NH, almost a year ago now.
Granny D would be banned today (hell, wilfred and I were banned almost 2 years ago, Madman in October following us). She stepped away early.
“With us or against us”
judging by this, i assume harry reid and ilkhave stressed the importance of putting a lid on impeachment speech or no more party favors.
nothing like a little democratic party censorship of the left, right barb?
Oh so funny Oow – ‘and alarming ….. blah blah. Meant to sound so ‘ominous’!
I agree with this and hope he will be banning those responsible:
Like calling other people ‘McCarthyites’ without a shred of evidence, eg. And implying as MB did, that diarists are ‘agent provocateurs’ without an iota of proof either, or calling people you disagree with ‘sexist’. He’s right, it’s been out of control and there is lots of reason for Kos to be upset over what’s been happening. Now let him act on it and get rid of those responsible! Really, is anyone fooled anymore?
I’m betting that the trolls will remain, and more good progressive voters will be falsely accused of doing what the trolls, DHinMi et al are actually responsible for and will either leave or be banned. I would force them into banning and join the elite of the Internet, the very best writers and thinkers who are proud to have been banned from DK.
It reminds of the Soviet Union …. and how proud those people who were sent off to ‘re-education’ camps etc. and are now seen as heroes. On a lesser scale, by far of course, being banned from DK has the same implications now …
Since our major, established news outlets won’t mention the possibility of Turkey invading Iraq’s Kurdish areas, we have to rely on the foreign media. Here’s a few stories from The Guardian dealing with that, as well as analysis of the Turkish political situation:
Is anyone familiar with andgarden. That poster doesnt ring any bells but the past couple of weeks appears to be everywhere
The problem with effort to stop the impeachment talk is that it’s so far out of control. They’ll certainly ban the leaders, but this isn’t a fringe idea, it’s huge and it’s real. So when they zap the best of them (I notice OPOL has posted today, so my condolences were premature) they’ll just find more of the same. Then what? The only move left will be a moderated forum, I’m sure elise et al would love the authority to hide comments on a whim, that would make her life worth living. The problem with that solution is that participation will fall, if they truly get what they wish for, no one will bother with them. The metamorphosis into a fully mainstream white bread media site will be complete. They’re really in a pickle. Too bad.
You’re right that they do seem to be in more of a state about it than normal, but I’m not sure what’s driving the crackdown. Your theories are always spot on, so I’d be interested in what you think.
Too bad about inherent contempt, there was never any doubt.
Revisionist,
Re andgarden, I have no memory of every seeing that handle in the 3 years that I was a regular poster on that site (2002 through 2005). I noticed a day or two ago that whoever it is has a rather low user ID no. (50,344), which leads me to suspect it’s an alternate ID established a long time ago for someone who’s posted there under many guises.
Looks like the crackdown has begun:
I don’t know anything about andgarden.
I don’t recall ever noticing the name, til I saw it in the court of Tent-o-la over at TalkLeft.
Eternal Hope is a fraud. She always pretends to take a neutral stance and listen to all sides before rendering her wise judgements. Then of course she always sides with the thugs.
cindy and friends have been arrested by the way
Is anyone familiar with andgarden. That poster doesnt ring any bells but the past couple of weeks appears to be everywhere
He is always by armando’s side at TL. I had not noticed him at DK before that, has a uid of around 40k. Never stood out on dk, even around armando until he (aravia) moved to TL. (Unless they all have sockpuppets which many believe now)
My guess, there are a lot of them dorment, he seems to be a friend of the detested MissL. He has played the role of seeing DHinMi as an enemy on TL. A real jerk, so very suited to dk.
I may be wrong, but I think armando will be back there. He still seems to weild enough influence to have fpers kagro defer to him (see today’s diary on defunding) or MB running around engaging with him in either staged or real disputes.
And of course blogmaid, McJoan who seems to think that because she throws up a few copy and pastes on an internet blog, she is now beyond being ‘told what to write about’ as she said in a diary last night on impeachment (amazing how they zero in on those impeachment diaries, no matter how obscure) but sees nothing wrong at all with Kos and she eg, telling everyone else ‘what to write about’!
Mediocre people at best … the most impressive people are the most unassuming. McJoan needs to get a grip. She’s a boring writer and without the hand up. her diaries, as would the rest of them, barb et al, would be sinking like stones on the right side of the page. Kos got he wanted, loyalists who will step all over others for the very dubious privilige of writing on a blog. I have more respect for those who turned it down.
andgarden seems to have ‘come alive’ recently, not much different from the other trolls personalitywise. Edger is another of armando’s acolytes who’s more than a little obnoxious. They are all ‘jiacinto’ types to me …. I ignore anything they have to say, and would hire them if I wanted to destroy a cause by having them speak for it. It is a mystery why anyone would hire people to forward their causes who become so despised that no one will listen to them.
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Oow, DK is not the place to go even a few months ago, to push for impeachment …. except of a few people who keep getting harasses anyhow. That movement is happening elsewhere and is going on all across the country in real life, and on other blogs where people expect Politicians to work for the people. Kos is so in awe of these politicians it’s sickening really. So he’s all upset that we yelled at his politician buddies and I guess they’re scared to come back!! Lol! Good, they should be scared of us. Not the other way around.
RV- They don’t have enough kops to stop the diaries that keep popping up. They’re spreading themselves very thin, but the avalanche is unstoppable. They’re going to have to resort to something drastic to regain control. What’s the DK equivalent of calling in the National Guard?
andgarden is averaging about 100 comments a day
Revisionist
Thanks for the news on Cindy.
Couldnt find any comments by that poster before 7/6/7. 1046 comments in 3 weeks
LA times has a piece on multinational corps fielding paramilitaries in Colombia. I say, call it Plan Colombia, Private Enterprise… and wink wink wink.
Eternal Hope is a fraud. She always pretends to take a neutral stance and listen to all sides before rendering her wise judgements. Then of course she always sides with the thugs.
Yep, s/he has her own website, btw, and used to have Shergald (who is banned) posting there. She is like Nightynightkitty, straddles the fence, and MB same thing, but they all land on the side of the dk trolls!
JJB, re andgarden, I agree re them all having a bunch of ids they keep to use at later dates. But anyone can do that ….
Another thing I noticed a while ago. Viceroy, the guy who went at it with armando in his last few diaries (meet you in the star chamber etc) stopped posting, at least under that name, once armando left until four months later …
Outofwater #17, I can only believe that the party has told Markos that they don’t want to be seen as a “partisan mob” (heard that phrase a few times now) and that impeachment diaries/discussions/demands are not appreciated. So much for Kos’ avowed libertarianism.
Did someone say something about drastic measures? Kos now supports the impeachment of Gonzo, that’s got to hurt. They had to do something, the Leader has spoken.. So Gonzo impeachment is an acceptable topic now?
Woops, down the memory hole. The Kos story supporting the impeachment of Gonzo has been replaced with an Obama poll, but the comments are still in place. What a sniveling coward, sounds like someone got a phone call. Where did he get off thinking he could make decisions like this on his own?
hmmm someone emailed earlier that the Kos ”with us or we slap you” thang is in Diaries (yes sorry not been to the FP). I recall he did that with “Bannings” in Feb of 2005…
same person just emailed this:
LOL… don’t ever evidence contrary thought. Or any thinking at all.
I remember when Devilstower was pretty decent. They all go to rot. Like an athletic support, unwashed. Used too much. And still unwashed. It’s a tradition…
forget the “rinse and repeat” stuff.
Just bailed wozzle out of moderation.. sorry!
Think of it as kos stepping down from the podium to stand among the masses.
Wow. Devilstower goes flatline.
Jsut FYI…
I have something to do for about an hour and half… then will rescue comments (apologies in advance)
then
extra large grocery delivery betw 4 and 6, so rescue might b a bit slow again later on.
=^..^= [cat courtesey of ms_xeno...]
Oow, #32 – he disappeared a diary about impeaching Gonzo? How funny, kos can’t even post his own thoughts. So much angst about a blog that influences no one, really … I mean most people come there with their minds made up. They’d be lucky if the changed a dozen minds in a year. They changed mine, I now no longer support the Dem Party, so I suppose they do have some influence!
Btw, re andgarden. This is his own bio for what it’s worth.
This diary is on the rec list, about Cindy – it’s live blogging from Conyers office.http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/23/15936/6861
People are getting arrested. This is great, needs to grow and spread all over the country. Seems Conyers is now saying he will not impeach.
So, who are they all afraid of? Kos disappears a diary about impeachment and Conyers changes his mind about impeachment, again! It seems this is a very hot topic and it will now be up to the people …
why am i not surprised…They really need to test the water there.
Pretty odd still for someone to appear out of nowhere and rack up 1000 posts in less than 20 days. His UID means he has lurked silently for about 2 years. His behavior just doesnt match that assumption.
fred imbibes too much of the orange cool-aide. probably the influence of all those insider email trees that don’t exist.
his sheehan-leiberman equivalency is despicable. if this is “democratic party leadership” on fred’s part. he can go screw himself.
Protests are fine as long as they’re ineffective (4+ / 0-)
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And officially sanctioned.
For example, calling JetBlue to tell them that we the people Kos is mad about them not “supporting” DailyKos against O’Reilly is an IMPORTANT and, what’s more, officially sanctioned, protest.
This thingy? About the Constitution and separation of powers? Eh, not so much. This is small potatoes compared to the Very Big Insult JetBlue gave Kos.
Priorities. Gotta have ‘em.
by Buddhababe on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 02:00:12 PM PDT
Is Buddhababe the one they are accusing of being crumedgeon. Thread is too big to follow.
hmm I am not a fan of FC, and that comment is just awful.
AWFUL.
She is nto abusing the electoral process. She is exercising her right as a citizen.
Or do we have to say Citoyenne for it to have any meaning.
Since only the military and certain of the judiciary are valued in this fucked country. Oh and the police.
LOL my emailer just sent this…
They ain’t listening to lecturing loon threatening purges.
SB-He changed my mind toward the DP as well, but I will say he only hurried it, by now I’d be done anyway.
Help! Choking on own barrf!
Hillary runs from liberal, is a “Progressive”
Hillary isnt a Liberal. Who knew?
Interesting to watch in this thread again how terrified of direct action the little lemmings and deputised thugs are.
phatass tries to extricate itself, saying it does paid political work. LOL… it cuts no mustard.
tiny shits floating to the top.
LOL Rev!
I’ve always been slow on the up beat : {D
thats going to be her youtube moment.
Oow – SB-He changed my mind toward the DP as well, but I will say he only hurried it, by now I’d be done anyway.
Okay, I take back my statement that he influences no one, that’s two of us so far!
Revisionist, andgarden didn’t just appear on 7/6, you have to check the archive box when you search. Posts go into archive after a few weeks …. he’s been posting pretty rabidly for a while and obnoxiously ordering people around. Not that anyone paid attention. Just pat them on the head, like the little nasty little lap-dogs they are.
So Darksyde who declared himself to be a Reagan-loving Independent should not be posting on the FP. If it is a Democratic site! Funniest thing Darksyde said was that Reagan was ‘competent’ even when he was senile …. Reagan could do no wrong as far as Non-Democrat, FPer Darksyde is concerned!
Marisacat, I do not think they will be able to control that board no matter what they do …. people care way too much about what is going in this country, and their laissez-faire attitude that all the dying and torture etc can just go on until we get a Dem in the WH is making people absolutely furious. That politics is more important than life, people are just screaming at them. It is a radical, rightwing attitude.
Marcos re Jetblue: I am a fan Lol, and the next day Jegblue sucks It’s too funny, what an idiot he is. I wonder if he’ll still be flying Jetblue all over the place as he boasted when he loved them before he hated them. I bet he will because he is not a man of conviction and they are cheaper …
good vid from edwards peeps
hmm I think they will jsut ban people. It always has a chilling effect. We shall see.
the biggest screams, ever, have been over the stupid blogroll, which no matter how you come down, is his to determine.
But they all screamed the loudest over that.
I imagine he will do an August purge, before the fall part of the campaigns.
Who is Fred Clarkson? Interesting to see that Hunter, jerk that he is, trollrated that comment. David Swanson was banned, I think I posted a link to his diary yesterday. Why does anyone still see that site as a progressive site? They are out to stop anyone who is actually trying to do something.
But look at how outnumbered Hunter and his troll friends are. That’s how it’s been – soon they will go through the recs and there will be a purge. It can’t happen soon enough imo. People are really just wasting time there …. all they do is sit behind computers and scrutinize the hidden comments like the paranoid freaks they are. They really are getting worse. Honestly, they make Freerepublic look tolerant …
Soldiers mom taking Dems to task on “Slow Bleed”,
diplomatically saying Dem foot dragging is political opportunism….
Kucinich: “Dems have failed the American People”
Marisacat, this time I don’t think it will have a chilling effect. Too many good people have been banned or quit, like Cindy Sheehan (they do NOT want people saying she was banned but she was driven off. What a disgrace they are. They would have done the same thing to Rosa Parks … or MLK.
Their hatred is so apparent. It really is hate … venom, towards decent people. But with so many well-known peace activists now banned from there, it is becoming like an act of civil disobedience to be ‘Banned from Daily Kos’! I think soon, people will sign up just to have it on their resume …
these “debates” are making me sick.
literally.
I have been attacked by torrents of paperwork. Just ducking in to welcome back BHHM, and to thank everyone else for highlighting today’s Stupid Parade, so I don’t have to.
Love the Wall St. collage.
[passes brinn some flat ginger ale]
I can’t get the friggin’ debates on CNN video, even though I have all the necessary ingredients.
From what I’ve been reading around, it sounds like this was pre-planned to make youtubers look ridiculous and clinton look good.
and I’m disgusted that it has already been decided. It will be Hillary, because none of the other Dems who stood a chance want to defeat her. Obama’s playing for veep.
The message from politicians is that nothing will change until Hillary assumes office, and waves her magic wand.
I’ve never been so depressed about this country as now. We have completely lost our mooring.
hmm
See I don;t happen to think – and never have thought, that the numbers at Kos matter. Oh he trumpets it, part of the cover story…
he has grabbed the spot light (with Dem party help), the choke point he functions as, that he is pointed to, gets the volume of media [choke point work] attention, that diverts people to him, aligned blogs etc. To his site as “liberal opposition within the party”
Like the flat out dumb opinion piece from Gitlin in the LA Times.
That and bundling is his work (imo). And my guess, even with 25 million or whatever claimed thru site pages, 100 million from ActBlue would be broader netting, but blogs cannot claim that, they need to step up the money funnel.
Be interesting to watch.
I am guessing this will be a very big purge. SImilar to Feb 05, bigger most likely.
i think its very good. They are trying to differentiate know instead of the group hug.
hey xee
Richardson speaks of universal 401k
portable everyone blah blah blah
BULLSHIT, IT”S PRIVATE, A WINDFALL FOR BROKERAGE FIRMS>
WILL INEVITABLY LEAD TO WEAKENED SOCIAL SECURITY.
they all wanna be veepessa. Maybe a white suit with a tulle shawl. Little white patent pumps with a satin rosette.
have to laugh.
I read an opinion piece today in the Denver press that althought they have not seen much of the candidates in so vaunted “Interior West”, that there is a possiblity Hilarious (or the candidate) will choose a Westerner for Veepessa.
Could be..
I will look it up as it had some interesting statistics about money. Think they said Hilarious is lagging in the Mt, Interior West. Will check.
Oh yeah they are gonna hang her around our necks.
Soon she will wear a top hat. I can see it now. Anything to ditch those breasts…
having used them in the Style section, they served their purpose.
What a mess it all is.
Is there even room for Breasts on Mt Rushmore?
65—maybe on Le Grande Tetons?
DEEEEEVORE! RFLMAO!
here it is… if the money drag holds up (and I have no idea) she WILL pick a westerner veepessa or one they feel can pull (Obama?)
I dont know how much plainer Gravel can make it. The DLC sold out the party.
Now Wolf and the pundints are on saying how it was all hillarys. pffft. the pundints dont jive withe the live focus group. obama and biden took it . they keep saying its unscientific.
I turned on the TV just in time to see Hillary bending over the edge of the stage, in (code!) orange costume, shaking hands.
Sorry I missed the citizen Tubers, but ain’t gonna tolerate Blitzer and Carlson hoping for reruns.
Dennis ™ really is trying to rebrand (text PEACE y’all). At the end of the debate Gravel just goes off on the DNC selling out the party to corporate interests and tells everyone to wake up and follow the money to the hedgefunds that are funding Hill/Ob/Ed.
DLC rather… but the DNC probably sold out too. Anything with a D in it!
Arrests have been made at Conyers’ office. Interesting to remember his basement hearings on the Downing St. Memos when two of the people who are there today, Ray McGovern and Cindy Sheehan were among the few who attended to support him. Today McGovern was arrested. Wonder what happened to Conyers since those days when he wrot the book ‘The Constitution in Crises’ with the help of all of us who were supporting him and helping to sort out the info he was gathering. What a disappointment he is now.
The live blogging diary was interesting. Poor old Hunter and MissLaura didn’t get much applause when they claimed that Buhhdababe was a sockpuppet for the Blogging Curmudgeon. But then, Hunter’s record of identifying sock puppets isn’t great. He mistakenly claimed Adam The Soldier was a sockpuppet also. Anyhow the sockpuppet got more recs than the ‘administrators’ –
Shit. Tucker is rerunning various Tubers, and sucked me back in.
About the Guiding Light of Wall Street . . . and the desperately flickering ones on Main . . . don’t forget the Olympian hurdle course that Congress erected in the (ClearSkiesean!) Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005. Really hard on the kneecaps when you’re rushing to halt the sale of your house on the courthouse steps in the morning.
I am sick of Conyers. He has lost all credibility and can save the genteel breezy manner, it’s unseemly in light of the fascisti.
LOL well he may have been elevated beyond what should have been (not uncommon).
Or collapsed years ago and the drama of the endless “minority” fight hid it.
He is inconsequential by now, just a road block.
And when he suggested a later appt I was glad Ann Wright and others refused. Delaying tactic.
His day is long passed. Life has been too easy LOL out ot pasture in the so called Halls Of Power. All the great battles came and the Democrats were at a luncheon. Or a drinking party. Or orororororororo..
Bye.
I couldn’t bring myself to watch the whole thing, but I found this great question (punted by the Donks, of course). Clinton made me want to scream. She made it ABOUT HER. Dennis smacked her down for it, and the party. Good answer.
Also, this minister’s slapdown of Edward’s faith-based homophobia is fantastic. The follow-up slapdown from the Reverend was great, too.
I have a new piece up:
Safe, Available Abortion on Demand is a Human Right, inspired by moiv.
details from After Downing Street dot com:
gravel and kucinich are part of the act, I think, of Hillary weaving all the strands together.
predestination and premastication.
the guardian had a heartbreaking article on the Richistan americans:
http://tinyurl.com/22je3z
and, in that context, you think politicians will listen to voters?
reminds me of the Ma Bell swipes of days gone:
“They don’t care. They don’t have to.”
Arrested for demanding impeachment. The Black Mariah turns into campaign bus.
Now that’s a savvy ticket to ride. . . .
I responded to Jeralyn’s panhandling, which I suspect will be deleted fairly soon
did she get jealous that MSOC was asking people to pony up for her cable bill?
hey, I need a pedicure!
Missed despair –
the flipside of Richistan’s more heartbreaking, I think.
before it gets eliminated:
” enough of cyber panhandlers! (none / 0) (#11)
by Miss Devore on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:59:12 PM EST
do you have a clue as to how people earning much less than you wouldn’t, out of a sense of decency, ask this?
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Impeach George Bush to Stop War Lies, Deaths – By Jimmy Breslin
pics of the protest and the arrests at Conyer’s office.
well jeralyn did it about 3 years ago. Got precisely what she asked for, according ot the post. And she had been quite specific as to model and extras. Think it was a laptop At the time that occurred I had just seen a post of hers talking about being sent a computer add on, camera of some sort (I think by MSNBC) so she could be available for hurry up analysis (cable is so breathtaking).
Remember we are constantly seeing luv admiration and applause for POLITICIANS. Guess that goes for those who channel them as well.
Remember pundits will save the nation.
Now Gilliard (and I was hardly a fan), years ago, asked if someone had a used lap top and would toss it his way. He said anythign would do… SOmeone did, and iirc they met at a spot in Harlem… and somehow that is very different, to me.
A final word in September? Two years more, the generals and Bush people say. — Jimmy Breslin from Madman post.
That is for certain.
I just read the thread at laptop. She got some interesting push back. Someone else remembered she did this not too long ago.
She is now asking a commenter if CO has a Staples.
LOL. I iwll just let that speak for itself.
The irony:
Kossacks are so pathetically desperate that this (conspiracy theory?) diary is on the top of the rec list now.
Just like Pelosi is supposedly a “genius”.
As mcat likes to say, all you can do is laugh.
catnip — notice its “our” fault. the “people” havent created enough of a storm. why cant we american people do more to help our congressthings. we should be ashamed.
Lol, I thought conspiracy theories were bannable offenses. Although the Occam’s Hatchett ‘Nancy is brilliiant’ diary was far more conspiratorial. I think he was kidding to be honest, but people decided it sounded good. Can’t blame people really though. It shows how unbelievable it is that our Representatives refuse to hold these criminals responsible. It’s easier to think they must have a brilliant plan. I’d like to believe it.
Some truth in kos’ ridiculous diary, ignored naturally and the commenter banned, it looks like with recs from the usual crew. Only quibble I have is that it was Meteor Blades who implied in his sneaky way, and with no proof, that Rusty1776 was an ‘agent provocateur.
I don’t know why BarbinMd is asking for proof that FPers have called Opol a troll. Both Hunter and DhinMi certainly did airc in a display of rage that is hard to forget. There were no consequences naturally, and kos just looks ridiculous in that post BECAUSE he willfully ignores what everyone else can see.
But why ask, as the commenter said, it is ignored, which is why no one has any respect for their silly rules. They do not apply unless someone is a target of the same administration.
What I’d like to see is one incident where BarbinMd or any of them treated DHinMi, a serial abuser of commenters, or MissLaura or any of her ‘colleagues’ with the same disdain when they behave worse than any ‘troll’, that she shows others who are, apparently in their estimation, not quite human. I have yet to see it.
No credibility at all. Which is why they have continued problems trying to spin the rules as if people are blind. I hope none of these people ever get near a position of influence in our government. They cannot be even-handed on an Internet blog – imagine if they had some real power …
catnip — notice its “our” fault. the “people” havent created enough of a storm. why cant we american people do more to help our congressthings. we should be ashamed.
Well, considering I wrote a post last weekend titled “Impeachment: The responsibility of the citizens”, I actually agree that citizens need to do more to push these damn Democrats so their backs are right back up against the wall. I don’t think, however, that the lack of protests etc is an excuse for any of those Dems to take impeachment off the table. I say: if they’re not going to do their damn jobs, force them with everything you have (short of violence, of course).
That dkos diary is just a fairy story.
In case you missed the debate…
Hilarious that BarbinMD is asking for proof when she called me a liar twice last week and when I asked her for proof, I was troll-rated. What a hypocrite.
Lol, yes, she did call you a liar and has she provided the evidence yet, dare I ask? Check out this thread if you want to see people who are so far gone, I think they really do believe they are God, infallible. What they are is delusional. But his comment from Rusty1776 made me laugh out loud ….
This poor woman must dream about the rulzzz …
And in this thread you can see how BarbinMd handles the repeated charge that they are totally unwilling to hold their buddies to the same standards they hold others to. You have to laugh, it’s almost comedic, like a skit you’d see on SNL which would have the audience rotfl. Except they are for real. Oh, and since they accused us of lies, note that a link is included. She has yet to provide one to prove her assertions …. but I didn’t expect it, no one expects much of them.
Daily Kos demonstrates why they are universally seen as totally dishonest and untrustworthy
Interesting how two of the gang rate a comment of Barb’s assuming she is correct in her attack on another poster, only to be proven wrong. Lol! Without thinking or checking they jump to agree to a false charge. Then go on, hilariously to lecture others. Do they not see themselves as others do? The entire blogosphere goes there for a laugh, I think. At least it keeps their hit count up I suppose …
And Barb, rather than admonishing her buddies (because they’re her buddies) , as she surely would have done to Rusty eg, for jumping to conclusions without having a clue what it was all about, excuses them, as always, exactly what she is denying they do, even as she does it:
Again, while attempting to make excuses for them, she makes a mistake, is rec’d and is corrected, but no apology this time, or admonishment to the one who rec’d her incorrect comment …. amazing the extent of their dishonesty and they wonder why so many people despise them.
Very nice comment from Karma for All who really is a wonderful commenter and obviously a person with principles. They are the bad guys, so many people have told them so. Mistreating other human beings is wrong. I don’t know when, if ever, they will realize it and that they are doing more harm to the party they claim to care so much about, than any Rightwinger like Bill O’R has ever done … the rest of that thread is just stomach turning to anyone with any decency ….
So long, all, offline for a few days to enjoy the lovely Appalachian scenery. Back soon.
Question – do the Dem powers realize how rapidly avalanches develop?
Oh Boy…. if ever there was proof that the sleazy White Boyz of the left are in cahoots with the sleazy white Boyz of the right this is it.
Basically neither side wants it publically known that they are nothing but paid operatives to their party. I think that funding from political parties and candidates SHOULD be public… it they really are not getting these funds then there is no reason to have such hissy fits. What the hell are they hiding… this has nothing at all to do with freedom of speech…. it is called transparency.
What is the worse is that these assholes have the nerve to hide behind Cindy Sheehan as to there “street cred”.
There are trying to muddy the waters saying that they lose “freedom of speech”… bullshit… the public has the right to know who is paying them to “speecify”… just like when it came out that this administration had so many journalist on there payroll to promote bullshit policies like NCLB. And we KNOW that someone is pulling Kos’s strings … like how yesterday he pulled his front page piece advocating impeachment for Gonzales… don’t tell me someone from the Democratic Party is not paying him and dictating what is to be said on that site.
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D Throat
thnks, got two out of spam. Will delete dupes…
SORRY!
TELL ME THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING PAID FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY…. FEC REGULATIONS NOW!!!!!!!!!
Should the DailyKos be Subject to the Federal Election Commission?
HELL YEAH!!!!
I want to know who is paying the little creep to shut up progressive and librul voices.
Gee look who Adam B. finds who agrees with him
Sleazy White Boyz UNITE!!!!
[...] to D Throat in the previous thread (see his/her several comments)… for linking to BLog Critics and the Bambenek [...]
With thanks to D Throat
A new thread
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D.Throat, thanks for those links – probably the only one that counts legally is the one from BarbinMd who is authorized by kos to speak for him.
How sad and ironic that it should be their treatment of Cindy Sheehan that caused this. So many people pleaded with them to act like a progressive site and treat her with respect. Their own arrogance, and to use a favorite word DHinMi, ‘certitude’ that right is always on their side, and their ‘gotcha’ tactics brought this about. Their treatment of Cindy Sheehan in her diary was enough to make decent people cry, and it did ….
The problem is they have already harmed the progressive online movement by their tactics of silencing all discussion on important issues, but this too could harm people other than themselves should it succeed.
Barb’s exchanges with Karma for All in my above post take on a whole different meaning now. This must be the exchange she kept referencing. Hadn’t realized she had that disagreement with her before where she all but threatened to ban her for standing up for Cindy.
Karma indeed ….
I thought it was strange how apoplectic DHinMi, Meteor Blades et al were over Rusty’s diary last week, where Rusty mention how Cindy was forbidden from advocating for her campaign. He came into the thread, insisting that CINDY SHEEHAN WAS NOT BANNED! Rusty did not say that … but re-reading that thread in light of this information, explains their urgency to make sure no one mis-interpreted Rusty’s statement. which we did not of course since most people can read.
But DHinMi was disproportianately out of his mind in that diary even for him, on the Cindy was NOT banned issue. They all were. But they DID drive her off. It was in that diary btw, that Meteor Blades implied that Rusty might be an ‘agent provocateur’. Why not just explain why it was important to clarify that Cindy had not been banned instead of attacking and smearing others? Idiots …. did they think this would never come out?
If they were rational people instead of attacking Rusty, Karma for All and everyone else in that diary, a simple request to Rusty to make his statement more clear would have sufficed and he would have done so. But they think bludgeoning people is the way to go and it never is. I bet this is why Meteor Blades, Barb, DHinMi et al all descended on that diary. I wondered about it at the time, the attacs were so intense over something apparently so benigm.
Now I see why…. they simply cannot be honest and treat people with respect, and it now comes out that that is usually because they DO have something to hide. They should have told people about this.
I have to laugh at Clonecone who is ‘always right’ looking like such a fool now.
Adam B is over at the site of the guy who filed the complaint trying to explain why he is wrong. Maybe he is, and for the sake of all blogs, much as I despise them for their sheer arrogance and would love to see them finally get a good lesson, if this has any merit they will have caused trouble for all online forums and given yet another weapon to the Rightwing to find ways to go after smaller blogs who don’t have the means to defend themselves. This already happened in the early days. But Kos could care less about the little guys ….
Using Cindy to try to save themselves is the ultimate irony … they treated that woman like dirt and NOW they want to use her? They are truly despicable … I am so glad she got out of there. If the thugs had only listened to the voices of reason instead of threatening them also, she might have stayed
In fact now that I remember, some people DID question why all candidacies could not be discussed on a political blog. They might have a real problem with their Ron Paul diaries also … they banned several people for posting diaries about his candidacy and shut down all discussion of it also … those were vile mob attacks on good posters just wanting to discuss a political candidacy on a political site. Elise, Clonecone et al went after them fiercely ….
So it looks like they may have to permit discussions of all candidacies, if Adam B’s argument is to hold water, and invite back the people they banned. They may not have banned Cindy (and they can thank their members who refused to let them for that, the people they slammed) but they did ban several others for talking about Ron Paul’s run for office and you now cannot mention his name there ….
Such smart asses – their behavior in the end will do them in, even if it not this, it is only a matter of time before their treatment of other people comes back to haunt them.
Alt-A’s are in trouble,
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeWSvfvHw3cQ&refer=home
and so are primes.
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={88821AE2-27FE-4E74-A96A-0FE326B14B29}
This is just starting….the first rumbles on the horizon. What a mess.