Sunday Afternoon Thread… ;) 29 July 2007
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Germany, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Italy.trackback

I just heard on PBS’s To the Contrary, that Merkel recently went to Riyadh and shook whomever’s hand (whoever is still upright, I would guess) and wore neither scarf nor skirt nor covering. A pantsuit and bareheaded.
I am all for it, I hate that western women feel constrained to cover up.
STOP DOING IT.
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Good for her … what’s laughable is that while we supposedly wear scarves out of respect for them, we have no problem dropping tons of bombs on them … better to ignore the head-covering thing, and show respect by not killing them.
I love that pic ….
They have a knee-jerk reaction, like all ditto heads, to anything that seems even remotely ‘liberal’. It’s the reason why they reacted to Cindy Sheehan the way they did.
I made the same connection. I’ve never totally understood exactly why Cindy Sheehan pushes peoples buttons as effectively as she does.
But I was reading the Pentagon Papers the other day and Chomsky’s interpretation of the “out of control American” the ruling classes were so afraid of during the Vietnam War. He argues that the Pentagon decided not to escalate at the tail end of the Vietnam War because they thought they’d need the troops for “out of control Americans” at home.
It seems to me that Sheehan acts on impulses nobody can really predict or control. It’s personal for her. They killed her son. She’s emotive in person on stage. It’s easy for people at Dkos and LGF to mock it (Oh she’s crazy yada yada) but it also seems to scare them.
In a culture of perfect militarism and comformity, very public female emotion is terrifying to both the right and the “reality based community”. It’s an echo of that “out of control American” Chomsky talks about.
Same with the flash your breasts protest. That seems like another attempt to appeal to the idea that something out of contol, beyond mocking (and it’s hard to humiliate people who have already decided to flash Hillary Clinton in public).
Kos and the people who post there are very much in control. They’re perfectly willing to swallow the war in Iraq or the Patriot Act or anythng else as long is it means a Democrat gets in the White House.
Right now Hillary looks pretty good but what if you have some incident (some Beruit Barracks scale of attack) that sours the American people on the Democrats for supporting the war?
Photo series from German site.
good for Merkel, but it’s also an appeal to her country’s right. Anti-muslim sentiment in Germany (mainly aimed at immigrant turks) is very strong.
“Interview with History” is a wonderful book. I’m trying to think if I can think of an interviewer as devasting in the past 20-30 years. Perhaps it is also because folks in power are also more insulated, and only grant audiences to softballers.
Sorry Orianni got so rabid toward Muslims in her later years.
I read somewhere today that a bunch of Qatar princesses held up an Al Atalia flight because they would not sit near males who were not related to them. Then they were kicked off the plane to the applause of the the rest of the flyers.
The princesses, all traditionally dressed, had been shopping in Milan for the day.
How much of the applause stemmed from xenophobia, and how much stemmed from the recognized absurdity of demanding cultural courtesies for the decadent habits of obscenely rich people, I dunno.
Oh this is outrageously hilarious:
Hoff Sommers is a favorite of the right wing.
I read somewhere today that a bunch of Qatar princesses held up an Al Atalia flight because they would not sit near males who were not related to them. Then they were kicked off the plane to the applause of the the rest of the flyers.
Why not just shuffle a few seats around so they could all sit together?
Seems to me as if there’s a lot of information here that you’d need to make a decision. Where was the flight going? If it was going to the Middle East, haven’t they dealt with this kind of thing before? Haven’t the Qatar princesses dealt with this sort of thing before? Don’t they know how to buy tickets in blocks?
I remember a few years ago during the Northwestern strike when I was flying out of Seattle back to New York. There was an NFL player (I don’t think he was particularly famous) making a fuss that his backup flight bumped him out of first class.
The boarding agents were getting a real thrill out of telling him to go to hell and everybody around me was enjoying it.
But then I realized that this guy was about 6’6″ and about 280 pounds. I’m about 6’1″ and about 190 pounds and I’m miserable on most planes.
So they argued with him for about 45 minutes wasting everybody’s time and in the end agreed to bump him up to first class. But everybody got a populist thrill out of it.
In a culture of perfect militarism and comformity, very public female emotion is terrifying to both the right and the “reality based community”. It’s an echo of that “out of control American” Chomsky talks about. —- HCfM
absolutely. on target.
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good for Merkel, but it’s also an appeal to her country’s right. — MitM
Yes I agree, but I don’t care anymore. I am sick to death of creeping fundamentalism. Wether it is westerners [fake] kowtowing, in a sense, with this silliness of adopting dress demanded by the religious strictures when just visiting or working in a muslim country with religious police… or to be blunt, putting up with it (religious expression – whether crosses, stars of david or supposed modest dress) in public schools and photos on visas.
It all adds up to creeping fundamentalism.
From what i read the Qatari wives were pissed their personal protocol could not be attended to.
it’s a plane. Take off.
Not just any old emotions, either – ANGER and RAGE. Angry, rageful women who aren’t afraid to express their anger and rage scare the living shit out of certain people.
the story, FWIW.
http://tinyurl.com/2ek4s2
here is a google search on the Qatari Royal Family and BA and Alitalia flights.
Hair Club,
Why not just shuffle a few seats around so they could all sit together?
If they insist on being so devout, why are they jetting off to Milan to shop? Do they sell really good veils there?
Actually, given the obscene wealth of such people, they could just as easily have flown a private jet.
On the one hand, they want the benefits of 21st century life, on the other, they demand people accommodate their medieval customs. They should just stay home next time.
MCat,
Here’s a snippet from the first item in that Google search, from Britain’s Daily Mail:
As I say, these people have more than enough money to either charter or buy their own planes for their shopping expeditions.
They had 8 seats and needed to work it out amongst those 8 seats.
As it was from reports I read the flight was held up 4 hours. Geesh.
When they later took an Alitalia flight they were mixed, between business class (for the royals) and steerage for the staff. Somehow that worked ..
well right they can charter a flight or own a plane for shopping trips.
Sorry for the duplication, feel free to eliminate the second one.
They had 8 seats and needed to work it out amongst those 8 seats.
As it was from reports I read the flight was held up 4 hours. Geesh.
OK. I would have cheered when they kicked them out too.
Just let one of SuperVixen’s out of spam… so it is upthread.
Sorry!
Rotten Justice – Ralph Nader
Not just any old emotions, either – ANGER and RAGE. Angry, rageful women who aren’t afraid to express their anger and rage scare the living shit out of certain people.
Matt Taibbi is a much more clever rich white boy than the Kos cretins.
He was able to take that anger and rage and put it into a very Catholic/Christian framework of pain/sin/suffering and then turn around and use it to attack the idea of a populist utopia.
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In the Sixties, the anti-war movement was part of a cultural revolution: If you opposed Vietnam, you were also rejecting the whole rigid worldview that said life meant going to war, fighting the Commies, then coming back to work for the man, buying two cars and dying with plenty of insurance. That life blueprint was the inflexible expectation of the time, and so ending the war of that era required a visionary movement.
Iraq isn’t like that. Iraq is an insane blunder committed by a bunch of criminal incompetents who have managed so far to avoid the lash and the rack only because the machinery for avoiding reality is so advanced in this country. We don’t watch the fighting, we don’t see the bodies come home and we don’t hear anyone screaming when a house in Baghdad burns down or a child steps on a mine.
The only movement we’re going to need to end this fiasco is a more regular exposure to consequence. It needs to feel its own pain. Cindy Sheehan didn’t bring us folk songs, but she did put pain on the front pages. And along a lonely Texas road late at night, I saw it spread.
Hoff Sommers is a favorite of the right wing.
Wow. No kidding. We’re right there in Little Green Footballs/Independent Women’s Forum territory here.
He’s either trying to instigate a very public fight demonstrating what fucking losers Daily Kos participants are just i8n time for the convention or he’s trying for employment as the Heritage Foundation’s fake ‘liberal’ white male, oppressed by old Democratic women but still fighting the good fight for rapists everywhere.
Pretty interesting film review attacking “Knocked Up” and criticizing the idea that you only have an either/or, “old feminism” or “new feminism” choice.
http://rwor.org/a/097/knocked-up-en.html
But this movie wasn’t made for a conservative Christian audience. It was made for the 20-somethings who are smart and savvy and having one-night stands and embracing porn culture. It was made for those shaped by Sex in the City -style “feminism” where participating in the commodification of sex and women’s bodies is thought to be a form of “liberation.” It is made for a generation that is technically pro-choice, but increasingly becoming convinced that abortion is “irresponsible,” “tragic,” and even “sinful.”
sv and colleen – stop beating that poor boy with your scary clue spoons. The future of democracy depends on an empty cutlery drawer.
Shit. Stray bullets kill 4 as Iraqis celebrate Asian Cup triumph. I’ve been hoping not to see this headline all day.
jesus, it’s just a funny movie.
This part of the film review (just pulled it up) of “Knocked up”… is just propaganda:
It is made for a generation that is technically pro-choice, but increasingly becoming convinced that abortion is “irresponsible,” “tragic,” and even “sinful.”
The New York Times gets spun by Stormfront.
NYTimes
The injured man had been one of the speakers at the rally, organized by the ProAmerica Society, which urges stricter enforcement of immigration laws.
The Stormfronters themselves are very open about who he is.
link to stormfront.org
Hair Club for Men – I heard the writer/director and star of the movie interviewed on Fresh Air recently and kind of wondered whether the movie would be as horrible as it sounded. After reading the review in your link, I can see why it came to mind in the context of the spoonfight today.
I haven’t seen it. I just though that review was interesting.
‘Nother OG&P reference from mlw thread under discussion, emphasis mine:
Almost universally reviled, mind you.
i cannot even follow threads at Wingless, but “almost”
that has me laughing out loud.
Must. work. harder.
The last event from that corner was poor Diane W completely confused as to her own commenting history. And coming here to correct me.
Still laughing.
Sabrina Ballerina: … better to ignore the head-covering thing, and show respect by not killing them.
That’s exactly what I said when I saw Pelosi wear the head-scarf. If she’d impeach Bush she wouldn’t feel that guilt compelling her to compensate by wearing that scarf, which is not a part of her culture.
I laughed my ass off at that movie.
Paul, I remember when Bush sent one of his women, forget which one, mommy types he keeps around to ‘educate’ the women of the ME. She made a complete fool of herself, when she found herself among educated, intelligent women who had the temerity to ask her if she had any idea how Bush’s wars were affecting Muslim mothers and had no interest in her trite, empty rhetoric.
Oh yes, it was Karen Hughes, a more clueless woman would be hard to find, except maybe on DK (points please for ‘most despised’ title) …. her head was nicely handed to her by women who actually do know what’s going on in the world her ‘president’ is creating for Muslim women and children, and not about to be placated …. I’m sure she wore a scarf, though. Out of respect.
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Rotfl Must. work. harder. Marisacat
I’m disappointed too – and we do try …
Spoonless is so clueless (which is probably a blessing) he really didn’t seem to understand how completely he was evicerated. Normally I have sympathy for those who are in the minority, but he just kept coming back for more … his ignorance, not just on women’s issues, is stunning considering his self-certainty that all the world is wrong and awaiting his words of wisdom.
He helped demonstrate what will happen to all ‘Kosacks’ when they leave the safe environs of DK. They really are not ready for the real world … he is indoctrinated and doesn’t fare well with people who can think for themselves. .
One amusing exchange in the thread was when BC imitated those who complain about DK bashing on MLW – ‘I’m sick of Bill O’Reilly bashing on MLW etc. Poor Spoonless missed the sarcasm. That’s something I noticed when trying to communicate with them on DK. They really don’t get nuance …. they see only black and white. I tried once to explain sarcasm to one of them who was troll-rating a commenter for a JOKE! It was useless, she couldn’t get it! Probably what makes them easy to indoctrinate ….
well… nobody the likes of thereisnospoon (and some others) FPs here.
Not to put too fine a point on it…
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and you know, with one voice as ‘the site’ and LOL universally appreciated threads with several voices, the vists today, a slow Sunday in mid summer, is over 2,500.
So……. I am not too worried what the clammycs, thereisnobrain, and billiebushs say about me…
Almost universally reviled? Damn. We’re obviously not working hard enough on the “vile” thing.
sv and colleen – stop beating that poor boy with your scary clue spoons. The future of democracy depends on an empty cutlery drawer.
I’d like to buy a fork.
As for Sheehan, the attitude of some of her detractors towards her absolutely echoes Coulter’s disdain for the 9/11 widows. People are pissed off that she lost her son and that, as so-called fucking “progressives”, that doesn’t allow them to go absolutely beserk (although some definitely have) on Sheehan. I really have sensed that underlying frustration throughout this entire controversy at dkos coming from many who would gladly throw her off the bus completely but feel that they can’t because they have to maintain their lefty image. It’s just hypocrisy of the worst kind.
And worse, of course, are the ones who have trashed her and don’t give a shit that she lost her son or who think she should “get over it” while this bloody war continues day after day and more sons and daughters are lost – each one reopening that wound.
As for the emotion she displays, it’s much more symbolic of the very public grief expressed in the ME and Asia etc. – where there isn’t a fear of being seen overwhelmed completely by pain. Afaic, that is emotional freedom and it sure doesn’t sell well in the anal-retentive, conservative west. No wonder we’re so heavily medicated. We can’t stand ourselves.
the thing with Cindy, it was always going to be her own trajectory. If it intersected, fine, if people liked it or disliked it, whatever, That was a far far far second, or maybe even a no show in the line up.
So many people at the beginning felt her journey, crusade, mission, series of events that occured, whatever the words, that it had to be this or that, or another “thing”.
It was just going to be what ever it was. So many never could see that.
I think the thing w/ Cindy is related to the thing Raimondo wrote about in the link someone posted here.
I think she breaks the heroic narrative. She isn’t the brave grieving mother in the movies, dropping to the floor in grief, hugging the flag, then GOING AWAY until she’s needed for the next ritual. She isn’t playing along w/ the accepted narrative, repeating the proper script.
The men and women we send off to murder and to die for us are supposed to be warrior priests, and their mothers are supposed to be Mary at the foot of the cross, willingly sacrificing their Son, waiting to clean the body and willing to suffer in silence.
Cindy and so many of the other mothers (and fathers) won’t reinforce the fairy tale, and boy do Americans want/need/treasure that fairy tale, the one where we’re the virtuous Knights and saviors of the world … and the Knights who fall in battle are Templars fighting for our WAY OF LIFE™.
The bitch is breaking the rules, and that is unforgivable.
With no apologies to Howard Dean:
Not only are we going to be reviled in America, we’re going to revile them in Togo, Turkmenistan, Algeria, Tuvulu, Lichtenstein, Morocco, Norway, the Congo, New Zealand and then we’re going to go to Canada and take on the Canadians! YEARRGH!
It was just going to be what ever it was. So many never could see that.
True and very reflective of dkos types who like to think they can control everything and everyone. I doubt very many of them colour outside of the lines there.
I’d like to buy a fork
That just makes me laugh over and over. Pat and Vanna, I’d like to buy a vowel please…
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SInce I am not reviled quite enough, here is a tip for all cat keepers.
Baby is rejecting the new Sheba line. I was so delighted, something new (the best thing to do for Baby, I keep switching her food so she does not get bored) and when I saw they had “Tuna and Mussels”… I thought … hot damn, something absolutely new, mussels.
Does not like their chicken, nor their tuna nor their tuna iwth mussels. I don’t pay full freight (1.20 for 2.8 oz) I waited til it was on sale and then bought some.
These cats. Always something up their sleeves.
Charges pit free speech against highway safety
They better BAN cell phones in cars. Reckless conduct. Forget regulations on how one may speak on a cell phone. They probably should ban passengers, esp children.
Only the driver, completely unimpeded from a straight line.
priorities
Okay, can we STOP calling crooked politicians in the pockets of the very wealthy, of hucksters and war profiteers and industries that make profit off of human pain and misery “pro-business”? The kind of people who Schumer and the rest help are no more deserving of help than the family down the road that owns a small business, or an innovator who can’t compete because established corporations are so heavily subsidized. HE’S PRO CAPITAL, not “pro-business”, and NO, they AREN’T the same thing.
So sick of this crap. ANYBODY who votes for these fuckers is voting for more exploitation and division and death and injustice.
Well, the pattern couldn’t be more clear …. those with whom they ‘lose patience’ are always peace activists, writers like Greg Palast, liberal blogs like Truthout, and anyone who is critical of Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians. People they do not lose patience with are Blue Dog Dems who vote with the Repubs. I remember saying once that I was going to call one of the Dem Sens. about one of the war bills and let them know what I thought of them.
One of the troll kops descended on the comment and told me I better not call him as I was not a constituent. Of course that ensured I absolutely would call and get others to call also. We all have email lists …. went back and reported on the call ….
Re Cindy, she came along at a time when no one had the nerve to challenge this administration. Anyone who tried, was smeared. Most of those who tried, airc, were Republicans …. Cynthia McKinney was the first to call them on the lies they told. She was smeared, but later proven to be right. Lies were told about what she actually said also on the floor of Congress …. early on McKinney did have support, but that was before the BBB got involved. Cindy was perfect, they saw her as unassailable being a grieving mother, and they used her …
Cynthia and she opened the door a crack …. they forget how tightly shut it was back then …. Joe Wilson helped also, and then it became easier … now they do not need her and claim she is ‘an embarrassment’. That is the rightwing word for ‘uppity women’! Used for Cynthia McKinney also … we don’t need the rightwing, DK et al do the job for them. But for some reason, they are frantic that it is understood that Cindy was not banned. Even though they were screaming for her to be banned. I don’t know why it is so important what people think. She was driven off, she left because she had better things to do, as have so many others ….
DK is now all about Bill O’Reilly … and Yrly kos. Btw, what did they accomplish at Yrlykos last year?
This made me laugh … and they think this kind of cynicism is fine and we should all want to help Kos … hilarious, they are not getting much support outside of DK and they don’t understand why …. peopel tried to explain to clueless – some people do have principles.
Dream on … the only extra eyeballs are O’Reilly fans although it does make it seem like there is an uptick in page views. But they won’t be buying anything from advertisers … and O’Reilly’s audience has been declining for the past few years, but he is still the most popular cable talk show host … I don’t think this fake fight will do anything to his numbers.
As for the Lowes ads, they stopped in January … then slowly came back … but it’s about ‘attention’. All phony, with clueless verifying it pracctically …
kitty sleeves… mine will eat only Iams dry cat food, which she loves.
Oops, I forgot that Darksyde, not-a-democrat, Reagan lover, administrator of ‘Partisan Democratic Blog’ was so excited about O’Reilly fans visiting, he posted a welcome diary to them! Lol! Really, I think DK is a test …. to see how stupid people really are!
Catnip, you may have encreased our chances for ‘most vile blog’ award with that ‘I’d like a fork’ remark!
Damn, and I thought we were just a ‘cul-de-sac’ [h/t to Meteor Blades] or as Miss D said, ‘cull de nutsacks’! And to think you are NOT LINKED! Well, not to the bbbs anyway. I have noticed this blog is linked to by many of the best independent blogs ….
Madman – That story about Schumer and his private equity and hedge fund promise-parties makes my blood boil. Just another series of pot(of gold)luck suppers on the Senate Banking & Finance campaign stump.
I hear the mafia is very pro-concrete-footwear. (Remember, America, we must support the building trades!)
I watched Borat in chunks (so to speak) on DVD this week, and laughed my ass off at that. I was just a tad worried about the comedic plotline of Knocked Up, given the current state of the gynopolitical nation, when I heard the interview. One wonders how much nutritional value (vs. reinforcement of prevailing agitprop) people really retain from absurdist or satirical humor when they’re (as) desperate (as they are right now) for laughs laughs laughs, god help us, laughs laughs laughs and laughs alone. Be that as it may, I’m as certain as certain can be that laughs laughs laughs alone are overwhelmingly beneficial to public health.
A society’s gotta breathe, too, don’t it?
Of Nazis on the Podium and “Surveyors” in the Fields.
New Jersey, “the Garden State”.The berries and melons in her downstate fields are now ripe for the pickings in the traditional manner with legions of migrant workers brought in for the task. The sticky humid air and the rich soil of her southern coastal plains produce the sweetest summer corn you can imagine. Many of the smaller operations still hand pick corn, while farm hands operate machinery or perform necessary grunt work elsewhere.
Prized fruits, tomatoes included, are picked by hand. The surreally engorged Jersey “beefsteak” tomatoes are hawked easily by the vendors in Philly’s Italian Market and off of fresh produce trucks driven through city neighborhoods from Wilmington, Delaware to Camden, Trenton, and Newark (“N’ork”) on the Jersey side.
An outsider expecting to listen in on what’s going on in the broiling fields east of Camden, itself the poorest city in the richest nation in the world… the sound of crickets is all they will here.
New herb*-generated post: The New Cold War
*That’d be catnip, not the other “herb”.
LOL Don’t think so:
BlogCudge was asked to take his trashing of Msoc elsewhere. As was donkeytale… I have posted those comments of his (BC’S) several times.
LOL he (BC) is welcome to announce the list of who is banned here.
Since he is so knowledgeable about Mcat…
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Catnip, you may have encreased our chances for ‘most vile blog’ award with that ‘I’d like a fork’ remark!
Just contributing to the cause.
40-oh perhaps Baby prefers mussels steamed in white wine….
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I’ve looked at it twice, but cannot make much sense of it yet–kid oakland has some post about “Blog Unity” pins and blogsunited.org at dk….come pick them up and yk2…come join the blogroll,etc.
not sure where it will show up on the blogosphere genealogy tree.
it would be more fun if svix went on clammyc blogtv.
#37 is Madman at his best. Jesus, you can write, sir.
53 – Agreed, but let’s leave Jesus out of things for once, since Sheehan has been kind enough (I think?) to do the same.
well worth the read in the New Yorker “A Zionist politician loses faith in the future”
by David Remnick
http://tinyurl.com/2y97ng
it would be more fun if svix went on clammyc blogtv.
Great idea!
sv – Go, girl!
Marisacat – have you tried tempting Baby with the hard-working, multimedia flavor of clammyc?
rolling eyeballs
Booger (one of four kitties) just deposited a headless and gutless mouse carcass on the doorstep for the dogs to finnish (he knows how we feel about bringing vermin inside). The baby bunnies seem to be in short supply while los Chubascos are kickin’…
Yearly Kos is going Old Testament, it seems to me.
It keeps begetting new entities that beget more, with every page.
58-will pass on ratatouille references.
Sorry, BHHM. But I do count it among her virtues, I think.
it would be more fun if svix went on clammyc blogtv.
They are not that inclusive. The ‘people powered movement’ doesn’t include most of the people …. but if they really wanted to get listeners, if they dared, it sure would be fun.
Bhhm, Mitm sure can write … he is one of the best …
Catnip, keep up the good work. You and ms xeno make me laugh … she pulls no punches. Remember that piece she wrote after the Amanda episode? That was a classic. She sure can write also …
I dare the ‘people-powered net-roots’ to interview ms x! Even I would tune in for that …
Blog Unity! Rotfl …. Is he Kid ding?
if clammyc can fake being flaked fish with shrimp (the current fav from Fancy Feast) LOL she might go for it.
For years she was like jam.fuse’s, who eats only dry Iams… Baby ate FF chunky chicken. I could buy 5 flats of it at PetCo… and 2 flats assorted, beef or fish/tuna/etc. And be set for a few months…
Then things got hairy about 5 years ago. There had to be a selection, a smorgasbord.
I think the Sheba (new version) is too ‘cleaned up’. It has almost no odor. Close to none. And the “sauce” is a nearly clear glaze of some sort.
Too ”cleansed”, for the human’s palate, nto for a raring tearing blind nearly crippled old gato…
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Bloggers. United. Will never be divided.
Bloggers. United. Will never be divided.
Bloggers. United. Will never be divided.
come on y’all join in
Bloggers. United. Will never be divided.
If the Kids Are United (1978)
by Sham 69
For once in my life I’ve got something to say
I wanna say it now for now is today
A love has been given so why not enjoy
So let’s all grab and let’s all enjoy
If the kids are united then we’ll never be divided
Just take a look around you
What do you see
Kids with feelings like you and me
Understand him, he’ll understand you
For you are him, and he is you
If the kids are united then we’ll never be divided
I don’t want to be rejected
I don’t want to be denied
Then its not my misfortune
That I’ve opened up your eyes
Freedom is given
Speak how you feel
I have no freedom
How do you feel
They can lie to my face
But not to my heart
If we stand together
It will just be the start
If the kids are united then we’ll never be divided
I keep telling madman he should be in print, but the truth is that his amazing talent for weaving relevant hyperlinks into his text couldn’t translate into “old media,” and it would be like asking a world class marathoner to run in doc martins.
Of course we know he could do it, and better than most hacks who have fulltime employment in the Nooze and Con-mentary press…
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LOL Mz. D, but I still think he prefers wittle wabbits to a free mouse-keeters…
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Damn, just started “blogging” and Princess Katterfly is requesting my presence in the boudouir. Well, I know better than to make her wait.
Hasta Luego, viboras…
Sabrina–when it comes down to it–who is going to tune into that self-selected circle if they are promoting the voices of the exact same people pastordamning started nominating when I was just a tadpole at dk? the popularity contest stuff was never good for the site, nor even the popular writers. the quick adulation reinforced their weaknesses.
much more people would tune in for a BBB-er vs. a VAG, I think.
ko’s message: “unity, diversity and hope”
What “diversity”? Hello?
Question for thereisnomoney. How was that ‘New Feminism’ thingy re women using sex to ‘tie men up in strings’ or whatever, supposed to work?
I thought shaking those boobies was supposed to pay ….
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Miss D, that is a good article … looks like the Israeli press is way more free re the Israeli situation than it is here …
He would be troll-rated to oblivion if he dared to talk like that on dk.
MissD – clearly we’ll need to set up a PAC to support svix’s candidacy for an interview on blogTV. Let’s get lawyered up!
Regardless of the more frothy posts about Marcos ie speculation of CIA sponsorship —isn’t it enough to recognize frauds in plain view???.
Talk about kool aid drinkers.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10725803@N06/946736839/
tip o the iceberg.
wrt yada yada…almost universally reviled… yada yada
to state the obvious — dk and mlw and the dwindling bootrib are not the universe
IB–if they understand the nature of any media, I think one would simply have to ask.
thanks for the kind words guys. Sweet dreams all.
night, MITM.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10725803@N06/946736839/
Another one without a clue.
dk and mlw and the dwindling bootrib are not the universe
Blasphemy!
Jam-fuse, nice lyrics … and it makes me sad because when I first went online, people were united. The divisiveness seems to have started when the ‘establishment’ blogs appeared on the scene and began the purges. Iow, they stopped the growing movement, at least temorarily.
Miss D,
Via the IHT:
A bittersweet victory, obviously.
If they understand the nature of any media, I think one would simply have to ask.
There’s a percentage in that?
Bon soir from the East Coast, too. Thanks for all the laughs laughs laughs.
Thanks for the soccer update, too, LC.
Pundits punditting about other pundits.
Can they be any more obsessed with David Broder and Joe Klein?? The minute I see a blog post with “David Broder wrote…”, I move on.
to state the obvious — dk and mlw and the dwindling bootrib are not the universe Jam-fuse
Shhhh – we are not in the business of shattering dreams!
Catnip, whose photo bucket is that? Funny screen cap though …
Goodnight, Mitm and Tuston …
I’m watching the documentary The Ground Truth. Sigh…
What a nightmare.
Catnip, whose photo bucket is that? Funny screen cap though …
I don’t know. I copied it from BHHM’s comment above.
MissD – clearly we’ll need to set up a PAC to support svix’s candidacy for an interview on blogTV. Let’s get lawyered up!IP
Or take out an ad on the FP – challenging them to a virtual duel … money they will take … well they took it from Chevron.
Goodnight, IP …. funny stuff from you today ….
Lol, Catnip – okay, Bhhm, whose photo bucket is that? I couldn’t find any pics … or is it a secret?
Nightprowlkitty’s I think
Blumenthal: Operation Iraq betrayal
duranta has a good diary at BMT… I am just getting htere for the first time in days, so if the diary is old, apologies…
still a good one.. 8)
LOL they hate to step down…
Nice full moon tonight…
Nice full moon tonight…
That’s my excuse anyway.
Bonsoir!
Ooops – one more thing. Pesky civilians getting in the way of the bombs you’re dropping? How about trying smaller bombs? Yeah. That’s the ticket.
The ranting of Thereisnobrain is why fools like Elise are so dangerous… these women give cover to these right wing reactionaries by co opting misogyny as contorted “feminismsjism” tool.
Thereisnobrain raised by a right winged lout and Elise raised by a mother who dressed her in revealing clothes as a child to make her look sexy… These two want to become “progressive” political leaders…. they are a nightmare for all women.
This is proof that the “Big Tent” ideal is over sold… it would be much better if these people would just stay in the GOP. All that is happening now is that conservatives is both parties have taken over and have pushed out moderates and libruls and inserting these idiot bots.
And yes I would prefer Chafee than that cretin Langevin that Schumer was trying to horn in… now Schumer is crying the the Supreme Court is too conservative… go to hell. He roamed the country looking for the most conservative reactionary tools he could find to run with a microscopic “d” behind their names…
although the official subject matter is foreign blogs as psyops, i thought this seemed rather familiar:
hey wu, you linky is broken. That’s really interesting, what’s it from?
Ingmar Bergman is dead.
I could go on about his greatness, about the extraordinary number of cinematic masterpieces he created, about the magnificent performers he helped bring to the attention of the world who would otherwise have been known only in Scandanavia, but I’ll limit myself to drawing your attention to the film that stands out among all his other creations as his finest (as surely as Hamlet, Lear, and Othello stand out in the Shakespearean canon): Skammen, or Shame as we Anglophones call it. Set in the border region of a unnamed nation that is going through a low-intensity civil war that suddenly erupts into a full-scale conflagration when a neighboring country invades to aid the rebels, Bergman manages to provide a shattering portrait of how war warps and distorts life, and turns even the gentlest people into feral beasts concerned only with their own survival. Both Max von Sydow and Liv Ullman are superb.
I wish I could say more, but his work says so much, and says it so much better than I could.
Here is the NY Times obituary for Bergman.
MCat,
Re the Japanese PM not stepping down, according to the BBC World News program I saw this AM, it’s largely because his party has become so unpopular during his tenure that no one is willing to step up and replace him. Not unlike our own dillema, the war is a failure and the public wants it ended, but no one is willing to be seen as having “lost” the war that was lost the moment we commenced it. This is also a great deal like the end of WWI for the Germans. They all knew they were in Endgame and defeat was inevitable, but no one was willing to surrender to the Allies until the sailors of the High Seas Fleet mutinied, and revolution broke out.
I ahvent seen this getting coverage. Iraqi soccer captain:
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Sabrina Ballerina:
Karen Hughes is one of what I like to call “American Monsters of Narcissism”.
Also, is it not abundantly clear now that the Repukes are colonizing the Democratic party through DailyKos?
DailyKos seemed like a gift in the beginning, but it was really only the software and some good people who gravitated toward a banner of Democracy and the user-moderated forum, which is egalitarian if you don’t keep banning the most popular people that the users like the most.
Kos is running DailyKos as a Kos-moderated forum. He bans everyone who gets in the way of his REPUBLICAN agenda.
Whether he knows it or not, Markos Moulitsas is still a Republican. I think he knows it.
now Schumer is crying the the Supreme Court is too conservative… go to hell. He roamed the country looking for the most conservative reactionary tools he could find to run with a microscopic “d” behind their names…
Precisely my reaction when I heard Schumer’s insincere whine about being taken in by Robert’s ‘charm’. What charm?
I can only imagine that Chuck is reacting to a congressional approval rating rapidly heading towards a single digit. Fuck him.
Perhaps Chuck should be having talks with his New Senator from PA about how conservative SCOTUS is.
Corporate Swine, interesting educational site, linked to by someone on eurotrib.
Shumer… ugh.
Jonathan Turley was really interesting to read, esp during Roberts, as the media was all trolling this fiction he was such a great guy. Reid in particular had a real affinity with Roberts and Miers.
Turley cannot stand Reid… and wrote that Roberts had been “hydroponically raised” for the process he was about to undergo.
Obviously tapped long ago… and nurtured for that moment.
Up to his neck in Opus Dei imo, but clean hands. The Robertses “parish priest” Msgr Vaghi is a close friend of … ugh forget his name, but the priest who runs the DC Opus Dei HQ, the one who has made all these high profile conversions from Novak to Brownback. Think iirc that Kate O’Beirne is god mother to both (ew). Vaghi has been present (assisted) for some of these high profile baptisms. The Bishop of DC separated the OD priest and Vaghi, sending Vaghi to some small parish in the burbs. The Robertses followed him…
Mrs Roberts, aside from everything else, is a Director of the Carroll Society… a high powered Catholic group that organises the yearly “Red Mass” that opens the SCOTUS season.
We are so fucking skrewed.
94, DT:
You got that right.
If they were Republicans, I could understand it – but they’re posing as progressives! It’s fucking mindboggling.
I don’t remember what thereisnospoon/hekebolos said during the Pie Wars, but I can guess.
These two might or might not be ‘a nightmare for all women’, I wouldn’t venture to say, poisonally… me being of the male species and all.
However, typing as one who grew up severely emotionally neglected, and who, I like to think, has triumphed (knock wood) over his abject beginnings — its a bit unfair to tar the children with the sins of the parents, especially if all we know about said moms and dads are from the keyboards of the parties involved. With all respect, an obvious point (?), not to minimize any moronic drivel they themselves may have written.
However, typing as one who grew up severely emotionally neglected, and who, I like to think, has triumphed (knock wood) over his abject beginnings
First I am genuinely sorry about your parents.
But I don’t believe that pointing out that neither Elise or the Atkins boys have managed to triumph over their beginnings; indeed they don’t appear to have even started andf probably never will.
Sorry I keep doing this. I meant to say
But I don’t believe that pointing out that neither Elise or the Atkins boys have managed to triumph over their beginnings is inappropriate or dishonest.
I don’t remember what thereisnospoon/hekebolos said during the Pie Wars, but I can guess.
Well, since he doesn’t seem to know what they were about, it’s hard to imagine what they said. He thinks they were about the ad. But that’s because people like him were raised to believe that if you think all people, including women, deserve to be treated equally in all aspects of a democratic society, it means the following:
1) You hate sex
2) You hate men
3) You are ugly
4) You are old
5) You are a radical dirty hippie
If you are face to face with liars who perpetrate these wingnut talking points and none of them obviously apply, then you ‘hate America’ and are making stuff up since we are the ‘best country in the world’ and you should ‘love it or leave it’ and see how you like being ‘a woman in Saudi Arabia.’ (I suspect rightwing kossacks also believe this but refrain from saying it, using only the sexist garbage which they believe is easier to get away with).
The rightwing framed the attacks on anyone who dared to ask that all Americans be treated equally. Rather than argue against such a radical suggestion, they sought out what they thought in this culture might make such advocates for equal rights, the least attractive to the lowest common denominator.
That none of it was true, did not matter to the Rush Limbaugh audience to whom it was initially fed. I would be willing to bet that Rush was one of spoonless’ father’s favorite talkshow hosts.
His lame attacks are all Republican talking points. That he adapts them so easily is evidence, not only of his ignorance, but of the kind of hatred he was exposed to, which is at the bottom of the neocon agenda, towards the 60s which they are still fighting even against people who were not born at the time.
It’s really quite pathological and has been passed on from one generation to another. Spoonless suffers from this affliction, it is apparent in his melt-downs and his desire to recreate the ‘Father Knows Best’ image of America and of women.
When I first encountered it, I did not understand it all. We would be talking about Iraq or gay rights or something that is current and without fail, some rightwingnut would bring up the sixties ‘you’re a hippie who hates America’. I asked them what the sixties had to do with now. They really had no answers, just that the greatest enemies of this country were hippies from the sixties.
After a while, I just expected it from rightwingnuts. I was shocked to see it on DK … it still makes no sense to me, but I have read that Reagan et al had a fierce hatred and fear of what happened in the sixties and set about making sure it never happened again.
Opol’s diaries on the sixtieis met with the fiercest attacks from the troll patrols’ and from kos himself, who took the trouble to go into the diaries and let everyone know he thought Opol was an ‘idiot’. Looks like not too many care about his idiotic opinion, whether they cared about the sixties or not, the viscious vitriol was a complete turn-off to most people there, including me … it was out of proportion, the rage they exhibited. Still would like to know why …
Yeah that murderous bastard was also baptized in the Catholic church the day after he stepped down as Prime Minister… Blair
its a bit unfair to tar the children with the sins of the parents
Jam-fuse, I agree but my opinion of the thugs on DK, which include elise and to a lesser extent thereisnospine and the rest of them, is based on the way they act themselves on that site. She has lied about decent people there, smeared them and set out to bully people she disagrees with.
The rest of what people know of her, mostly because she talks incessently about herself, I don’t care about. If it was real life, most people would be rolling their eyes ‘there she goes again, turning everything into ‘look at me’.
When people do take a look, as The Ghost of Frank Zappo did, and offer their opinions, they did not like his observations. Sorry, but if you shove your personal life in everyone’s face on a regular basis, fine. Don’t be surprised though if people are not impressed and let you know it.
Troll-rating and driving off the board, those who give an honest assessment of the info YOU provide, is again, typical of DK. She is part of a disgusting, authoritarian culture whose main goal is to silence the very people who they claim to represent.
I do care about the harm she has done to decent people, and that it has been covered up and excused by the ironically named ‘administration’, and approved of by the owner of the site.
Paul #101 (lol, does that # give your post special credibility?)
I agree about Karen Hughes. She lies with impunity and without shame, even when presented with facts. Another disgusting member of this entirely criminal administration ….
True, and I think he knows he’s a Republican at heart. He certainly lets his hatred of Democrats like Kucinich be known and his love for Repubs like Schwartzenegger, and btw, for Ron Paul which is ironic considering the attitude towards Paul on the site now. I beleive he said he would welcome Paul into his ‘big tent’.
oops, hope this time it works, madman:
tom ricks’ inbox, from the WaPo.
Lol, about two years maybe …. 2002 – 2004
Don’t know, but the sudden rise of DK was pretty impressive, not to mention the living it provided for its owner …. unprecedented in the world of blogging and by someone with no real history of business successes. Interesting choice he made, re a guaranteed career with relative financial security with the CIA starting as an undercover agent in DC, or a fly-by-night blogger in his jammies in a tiny apartment with little guarantee it might succeed – or not …. what to do -especially if you love the institution that is doing so much good in the world, and is so ‘liberal’ …..
Being curious, I went and checked out some of spoonyspoon’s comments over at DKos (I Am Curious…. Orange?) and came up with this gem:
Oh I think Blair has been secretly baptised. It was reported a month or so ago that he has privately received Holy Communion from, iirc, the pope. I thought then, he is baptised.
And in that last meeting with the pope (just recently, at the same time I read of the private HC service) the head of the Church of England was present.
One of the bigger gets the Catholic Church has engineered.
Wonder what the pay off is. Higher heaven? Lavish hand tooled Italian made jewels and jewelry for the Catholic at his side, Mrs Blair? Some Buccelati bibelots?
I mean, these people do not do things for free.
Sabrina Ballerina:
Kos’ list of offenses against the base of the Democratic Party is so long, it defies comprehension how he has passed himself off as some kind of “Che” of the blogs for so long.
I think this charade is coming to an end, but it has consolidated our resources and wasted lots of our precious time.
I just joined the Free Software Foundation.
I’m planning to join the Electronic Frontier Foundation very soon as well.
Social software will facilitate online communities (Fully Democratic) of unprecedented interactivity and scalability.
If the political-class found DailyKos frustrating, wait until we launch an actual online Democracy with a Bill of Rights and an elected administrator they can’t buy off. We’ll have term-limits and everything.
Why the hell not abstract our government from the boundaries of our nations? We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Well there is TPM and Josh Marshall – a self proclaimed Zionist. WTF.. His ad rates are higher than Dkos… and he was rising all the time Kos was, as well. Then John at AmericaBlog… former R and already a DC operative, he had been an aide to I forget who… and let’s not forget Media Matters… another former R. One I never cottoned to. Just too dirty in his past life. Waht says he gave it up? And his fingers are long, from Atrios to Oliver Willis (antoher fucked lib hawk).. and so on.
Ariana, another former R and iirc tinspoon was just trilling her attributes (in that thread at WIngless this past weekend), saying he would be a knight at her side in a heart beat. And that her rep was so clean. WEll since the 5 mil in VC money, I find that her voice is greatly moderated from the 03/04 season. And let’s not forget HuffPo “senior editor” Melinda Henneberger of the hideous Catholic progaganda just recently in the NYT.
AFAIC: ALL OPERATIvES.
Not a clean nose in the bunch.
The Catholic Church is so creepy.
Tony Blair is definitely a “Monster of Narcissism”.
That’s a match made in hell.
If you want to know the depths of the Fucked Up Brothers Grimm… you gotta read this thread…
Here is just a tiny sample:
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Spamathon
The extreme feminist left is increasingly irrelevant and increasingly screechy in an increasingly sexualized and eroticized world.
This is a very confused boy.
New Thread
LINK
Sorry!
Let D Throat out of spam!
Regarding Zionism:
I know Zionism has come to be associated in many people’s minds with abuse of Palestinians and not much else.
One thing that helps to understand Zionism is the political climate of Europe leading up to the holocaust.
Zionists were among the earliest European Jews to notice the storm on the horizon, so they got out the earliest.
Holocaust victims who moved to Israel were understood to be refugees, not colonists, as the early Zionists were perceived to be.
Since European antisemitism, sponsored in large part by the Church of the Holy Roman Empire, is what created the refugee crisis of European Jews fleeing Europe, and this resulted in the secondary, and on-going refugee crisis in Palestinian territories, reparations are due.
My opinion is that the United States, the Europe Union, specifically Germany and Austria, should finance the development of Palestinian Territories until they’ve been brought up to a middle-class lifestyle.
Next, the holiest sites in and around Jerusalem should be declared “World Heritage Sites” or something equivalent.
Access to these temples and holy sites should be time-shared among the various branches of Abrahamic faith which are concerned.
The water issues must be addressed. People can’t be dehydrated and starved.
Last point – all discussion of Palestinian statehood seems to be starting off on the wrong foot.
How can any people living on any land be declared to be not a state and not part of any state?
If the “Palestinian Territories” are not considered part of Syria, Jordan and Egypt, and not part of Israel, implicitly, they’re their state – Palestine.
In that case, each Israeli raid into the Palestinian refugee camps is done in defiance of international law, violating the sovereignty of a neighboring state.
I admire Yuri Avnery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery
and Gush Shalom:
http://gush-shalom.org/
These are just my views on Israel Palestine at the present time, but I’m always trying to factor in more historical and cultural awareness for a more sensible approach to the situation.
DT, thanks for the quotes….
Taken in conjunction with the revelatory “feminism was a dirty word in our household” post that hekebolos unwisely shared with the world, there is quite a lot wrong with the power dynamics in this guy’s family. I’m not surprised there was child abuse involved. But the dear boy doesn’t appear to get it.
Sad.
colleen —
First I am genuinely sorry about your parents.
Don’t be sorry — My parents were/are good/great people in their own way, just not much good at raising kids, to say the least. I only brought them up to make a point. So don’t talk about them! (half) joking…
But I don’t believe that pointing out that neither Elise or the Atkins boys have managed to triumph over their beginnings is inappropriate or dishonest.
That puts a finer point on the argument — its just that dragging your opponents’ parents into a dispute, seems ethically and logically questionable to me, as originally stated by DT.
Sabrina —
its a bit unfair to tar the children with the sins of the parents
Jam-fuse, I agree but my opinion of the thugs on DK, which include elise and to a lesser extent thereisnospine and the rest of them, is based on the way they act themselves on that site. She has lied about decent people there, smeared them and set out to bully people she disagrees with.
We are in complete agreement on this, I was in no way trying to defend any of those whatever-you-want-to-call-’ems.
jeeziz all this thimking is making my head hurt…
Thanks Wu!
its just that dragging your opponents’ parents into a dispute, seems ethically and logically questionable to me
You seem confused also.In the 10 or more years I’ve been involved in political discussion forums I don’t believe I’ve spoken about my childhood or parents once.
You brought up your upbringing and described yourself as emotionally abused. Spoonless talks about his parents and family often. Who is doing the dragging?