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1. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

Apologies
by: thereisnospoon
Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 14:38:58 PM PDT

The Blogging Curmudgeon’s note: Actually, Thereisnospoon’s apology has been rendered moot by the massive deletion of comments in the diary in question. Only two of his comments remain, and none of them will prove a detriment to his political career in any way. Congratulations, thereisnospoon–your ass is covered. The truth doesn’t matter; what matters is that one has friends in power (MEsock???) who can protect you from the consequences of your actions. Obviously, I am not happy about this massive deletion, but there you have it: down the Memory Hole (well, not quite…read on).

So much for the “liberal” blog that “doesn’t delete or ban”.

laughable.

oh mr cur. paging mr cur.

many of us in the orchestra, glasses in hand, popcorn at the ready, saw your precious “my-golden-opportunity” site more clearly than you long ago. you STUPID ASSHOLE.

:::apologies to the dkos banned mr SA. who’s fab user name inspired that element of this rant:::

myleftwing has absolutely zero blog ethics*.

Weblog Ethics

:::snip:::

4. Write each entry as if it could not be changed; add to, but do not rewrite or delete, any entry.

Post deliberately. If you invest each entry with intent, you will ensure your personal and professional integrity.

Changing or deleting entries destroys the integrity of the network.

thereisnospoon represents perfectly the unethical face of today’s democratic party, both online and off. both his opinions and his actions are without merit.

coda.

mr cur calls this site the litterbox. but which blog spends its time covering up the reeking shit of the democratic party people? and which blog has an ethical approach, and never deletes?

enjoy the litter wallow, mr cur.

and watch out for the shit.

2. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

in the spam file.

3. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Yunno there is something I have always wondered… how come “Marisacat” the blog seldom appears in Google Blog searches???

4. marisacat - 31 July 2007

LOL

I followed the link to the BC update and there is also this:

So much for the “liberal” blog that “doesn’t delete or ban”. However, it should be noted that I anticipated this yesterday, and made an archive of the ENTIRE DIARY as it stood at 1:13 am PST Monday, July 30, 2007– including ALL Comments. And yes, those include ALL of the comments made by Thereisnospoon.

LOL.. hard to run for office with that around.

5. Parker - 31 July 2007

Since you are all up on the happenings over there, I would also add that I have been banned from My Left Wing. I guess it was for this?

You Stupid Ignorant Fuck

Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute

Get a fucking clue you moran.

This is like quoting the KKK in regards to civil rights to idiot.

by: Parker @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 13:49:12 PM PDT

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in response to

since you don’t believe me…
you really need to read Who Stole Feminism.

Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute delved into these uncomfortable waters in Who Stole Feminism. The one-in-four statistic, she found, was derived from a survey of 3,000 college women in 1982. Researchers used three questions to determine if respondents had been raped: Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs? Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man threatened or used some degree of physical force… to make you? And, have you had sexual acts…when you didn’t want to because a man threatened to use some degree of physical force… to make you?

Based on women’s responses, researchers concluded that 15 percent of women surveyed had been raped and 12 percent had experienced an attempted rape. Therefore, 27 percent of women — more than one in four — were either the victims of rape or attempted rape. This is the origin of the one-in-four statistic.

Yet other data from that same survey undercut its conclusion. While alcohol surely plays a part in many rape cases, the survey’s wording invites the label of rape victim to be applied to anyone who has ever drank too much, had a sexual encounter, and then regretted it later. In addition, only 25 percent of the women whom researchers counted as being raped described the incident as rape themselves. The survey found that four in ten of the survey’s rape victims, and one in three victims of attempted rape, chose to have intercourse with their so-called attacker again. The survey researchers scratched their heads as to why these women would return to their attackers, but Sommers asks the obvious question: “Since most women the survey counted as victims didn’t think they had been raped, and since so many went back to their partners, isn’t it reasonable to conclude that many had not been raped to begin with?”

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 13:42:07 PM PDT

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6. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

MEsock has been selling “ME-no-censor”.

if she doesn’t restore all comments she’s an outed shill.

of course rubes never quite “get” “it” “.” so i have no hopes. with all those clowns it has to be a carnival, a sucker born every minute etc. etc.

yet how instructive about the BBBs it all is.

7. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Lol, that pic reminds me of the boyz. That’s pretty much how I picture them.

Many posts in the previous thread to respond to.

WuMing, yes, it’s far better to know what people really are about …

Marisacat, I think you are right regarding the career issues … so arrogant really to think this is what would presume to represent women.

What I saw from the meltdown was the real picture of the ‘new feminism’ no doubt something the boyz came up with to take control of the issue of women’s rights after they purged the site of women over time … the Party does not want to deal with, eg, equal pay for equal work, nor do they want too much ‘screeching’ about a woman’s right to privacy regarding her own body.

The Boyz functioning as a think tank adapted the rightwing view of feminism. Thinking they had come up with a brilliant idea the ‘new feminism’ they drove out SV and stole her idea turning it into a cartoon version of what might have developed into something serious that could have threatened the Party’s interests.

The more the Party swings to the right, the less it represents women, which is half the electorate at least and includes enlightened men who support them. It is a huge voting block – something these stupid fools seem to forget …

Spoonless’ melt-down was revealing although he clearly fails to see it himself. Most obvious was his attacks on women, first ‘older women’ who, in his ignorance he assumes have no interest in sex (over 25?) Laughable really … then he insults all women by claiming it is their fault if they are raped while drunk.

He also as we saw from previous comments, sees nothing wrong with middle-aged men, (30s upward) having sex with women as young as 16. Again, it is women who are the targets of his ‘beliefs’. No where in any of this ‘new feminsim’ are men responsible nor are they to be denied their sexual pleasures –

1) Women if raped, are responsible for being drunk.
2 )Women available as sex toys starting as young as 16.
3) Women done with sex at (unspecified age, presumably after 25-30)
4) Women should be happy to be sex objects and he is certain that they are.

This new feminism does not blame men for forcing themselves on women who may be drunk.

The new feminism while it believes that women lose interest in sex by age (25-30?) does NOT believe the same is true of MEN. (sorry to laugh here, but the huge sales of Viagra seem to suggest otherwise, not that it matters)

The new feminism therefore, needs to provide for men by lowering the age of consent for women …

This is what I get out of what they are trying to promote as ‘feminism’ on Daily Kos …. as is apparent in the promotion of the vapid series often rec’d by such luminaries as Meteor Blades ….

What it all boils down to is an extremely poor representation of men and women at best, at worst it is incredibly old-fashioned and regressive chauvinism which the site, DK, has earned a reputation for …. and the reason why only 35% of their membership are women.

Between kos’ own repeated expressions of disdain for women (I know, he only despises smart women) and what is acceptable as ‘women’s issue’ on the site, it all ties in with Spoonless’ revelations yesterday. He may erase the comments but it is too late … his disdain for women was obvious and mirrors that of the official position of Daily Kos.

I think they have made some huge mis-calculations – Democrats cannot win an election without women …

Spoonless can try to spin it, but his comments leave no doubt about his utter disdain for women His disrespect and complete condescension towards Caliberal was just simply ugly to see. He was not as he says ‘too harsh’ with Caliberal, he was abusive and ugly towards her. That he fails to see what everyone else saw is astounding really ….

He is entitled to his foolish and misguided opinions, we all are. But he has disqualified himself to ever speak for women. He is simply unfit to do so and it would be best to apply his extremely warped views to his own private life and those in his circle who he claims, share them. We want no part of them, as he was told pretty much unanomously yesterday. The same goes for DK and their utterly comical ‘new feminisms’!

8. marisacat - 31 July 2007

hey hey Parker… ;)

9. marisacat - 31 July 2007

SB

and they want to keep pushing gays to wait wait wait. IMO they will amend, open, liberalise the issues w/r/t serving before they work to afford a federal level, portable, marriage, same as marriage. Call it whatever, but make it the same rights, including SS pensions and benefits.

It is just evil. Everything reduced to support war.

10. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

well parker, you being banned fits the usual scenario. and its such a wise move on MEsock management’s part too.

just ask booman.

his readership did what after his parker banning fiasco? slowly drop to hardly any revenue at all?

yeah. wise move MEsock.

11. marisacat - 31 July 2007

Think Martin admits he lost a third or more of his traffic when Parker ws banned.

12. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

thats when i left and i shook the dust off my feet as i left too. i figured out booman was a complete loser. no sense hanging out at bullshit blogs.

13. marisacat - 31 July 2007

the site made a real mistake accommodating thereisnospoon.. but that has been the MO there, support the favorites. Same thing Martin did.

It is deadly…. an old timer, Mary Mary told Martin a long long time ago, that was the way Dkos got iself in a mess, having favorites.

But they all want ‘a leg up’.

They just don’t notice the fire hydrant that is in volved in what they call a “leg up”.

These are not blogs they are PISSING GAMES. Shunning games. Playing favorites games.

So why does Emsock hang with the likes of DD and thereisnospoon.. Armando who ws revealed to be an admin there, that blew the joint apart for a while.

it gets old.

You have to wonder.

14. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Hi Parker, I thought MLW did not ban or delete? So much for proclamations. Have to agree with your post re that offering by Spoonless … it is always dragged out by rightwingers to ‘prove’ that – ‘thereisnorape’! Your reaction is what he can expect from women everywhere, except maybe Daily Kos … he is a dinosaur.

Btw, the wrong person was banned, it is clear who that should have been if anyone deserved it. Anyway, sorry it was you, it’s disappointing when a site you believed in turns out to be not what it presented itself to be.

I think the Blogging Cur. owes this site an apology. There are no deleted posts here. Everyone stands by their words … he also claimed a huge list of banned people, but has yet to produce it. I think he confused this site for MLW and DK.

15. supervixen - 31 July 2007

For the record, since the Memory Hole is working overtime in certain quarters: here are some DKos comments from thereisnospoon, including a few more I hadn’t seen yet, thanks to a TU with whom I’m of like mind. They are in this thread, which can only be read by TUs because it’s in Hidden Comments.

at the risk of getting flamed… (7+ / 7-)

the biggest problem with advocating “re-educating men” as the solution to this problem is what defines “consent” when two people are drunk.

The problem is that “consent” is viewed as limited when a person is drunk, and “rape” can be constituted as having sex with someone who is knocked-out drunk, even though he/she may have “consented” at the time.

I asked the rape education instructor at my college what would happen if two knocked out drunk people had sex with each other. I asked her if they would both be guilty of rape, if the next morning they both realized they had made a mistake.

Unbelievably, her answer was: yes, possibly.

There is a fantasyland on college campuses on this subject sometimes, and most Americans realize that. And until we address that things have gone overboard on campuses concerning definitions of “rape”, we’re going to have problems like this…

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 01:15:05 PM PDT

‘Don’t have sex while drunk’ (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Kimberly Stone, Nonpartisan, HeresyGirl

is just a generally good idea all around. The sex is so much less fun anyway.

by plymouth on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 01:23:55 PM PDT

agreed (1+ / 9-)
Recommended by:hekebolos
Trollrated by:Armando, Kimberly Stone, Nonpartisan, wu ming, caliberal, SallyCat, marchmoon, Rick Oliver, bebacker

never been drunk myself, never had sex with anyone who was.

And I frankly have little sympathy for what happens “against their will” to those who do get stone drunk. Call me a conservative on that issue…

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 01:26:59 PM PDT

further, I resent the use of the word ‘rape’ (4+ / 5-)
Recommended by:Politburo, hekebolos, marchmoon, theKK
Trollrated by:Armando, furryjester, Nonpartisan, wu ming, Rick Oliver

in these situations. To describe a sexual act that took place in the gray area of consent between two people who met at a party with the same word that describes the sort of forced brutalization in a parking lot that happened to my mother, or in the park that happened to my ex-girlfriend when she was 13, and so many other women, is frankly insulting.

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 01:32:43 PM PDT

no, i’m not sick (1+ / 7-)
Recommended by:hekebolos
Trollrated by:Armando, Nonpartisan, SallyCat, peeder, Rick Oliver, Sharon Jumper, bebacker

there are varying levels of consent.

Getting stone-assed drunk at a bar and going home with some stranger, or a friend, and having sex, only to realize–vaguely–that you may not have wanted it after all and wouldn’t have if you were sober, is WAY, WAY different from getting brutalized in a parking lot.

And if you can’t see that, it is you that are not only sick, but out of touch with 99% of America.

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 01:51:21 PM PDT

my mother was raped. my ex-girlfriend was raped (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:hekebolos, theKK

I’m VERY sensitive to the issue.

But I have little patience for people who say they want to have the right to get shitfaced drunk and not want to have to worry about the possible consequences.

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 02:12:56 PM PDT

b>actually, i’m saying that (0+ / 5-)
Trollrated by:Armando, furryjester, SallyCat, bebacker, bic momma

the “victim” doesn’t even know if she was victimized here.

She was too fricking drunk–if the eyewitnesses are correct–to even remember.

She left smiling, she arrived battered, and people are REALLY quick here to scream “rape” and blame these “horrible” men.

And quick to lambaste the WSJ writer for suggesting that MAYBE, just MAYBE, if a woman does not want to get taken advantage of, that MAYBE she shouldn’t get passed out drunk at a frat party.

And that’s insane.

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 02:21:10 PM PDT

OK, you’re a conservative. A conservative fratboy twit, to be precise.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2007

gonna offer my 2 cents on the AA discussion (shocking, madman butting in!).

I think you’re both right. Personally, I think AA is just another variation on the institutionalized hatred of humanity fostered by the Abrahamic faiths. Humans are small and corrupted and puny before a higher power blah blah blah. I hate it.

However, while I don’t look at this fact as “bad” or “evil” like xtians etc do, people ARE limited, and given the weight of past choices, upbringing and that feeling of “smallness” that we all experience as limited mortal beings, I can understand the appeal of that 12 step structure, as I can the appeal of Sunday mass or sunday fellowship or flopping into the aisle to quiver, shake and sing in nonsense syllables. AA probably “helps” some people as much as they feel they are “worthy” of being helped, and probably enables many of those people to function better than they were until they surrendered to their higher power (an externalized superego, to go all Freudian, but there you go).

Personally, I think such groups preclude a human being from really actualizing themselves, but to each their own. I’ve found the adoption of a more Eastern version of surrender to be more helpful: recognizing one’s limitations without the self-loathing can be very freeing. In this culture, where we’re studiously brainwashed to hate our bodies and individuality and natural drives and interests, I understand that a cult like AA probably works better for some.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 July 2007

poor boy thinks only young women are sexy/want sex?

Wow, he certainly doesn’t know what he’s missing!

18. Tuston - 31 July 2007

Well, I guess I wanna chime in on the whole AA discussion too. I find my position somewhat between lucid’s and lc’s.

Back in the early nineties I lived on a Reservation and was a caretaker for a gathering ground (sweat lodges, medicine wheel, lots of tipis, a long house and a communal kitchen) that hosted an AA campout every year. The younger “elders” (in their 50-60′s) were products of the Indian boarding schools who had become raging alcoholics and at the time were 20-30 years into “recovery”. They definetely were helped by AA, but no longer went to meetings and even though they hosted the AA campout, they didn’t really spend time in the constant AA meetings that happened all day and night during the campout. For them the 12 steps and AA was a path they had walked but didn’t need to travel over and over again. The just conducted a few sweats and attended the “pow-wow” at the end of the campout.

I’ve got a younger buddy who was seriously fucked up on drugs and alcohol, and was probably headed to prison if he didn’t clean up his act. He spent a year attending AA meetings and though totally “clean and sober” for 3 years now doesn’t go to meetings and hangs out with dopers like myself. As he puts it, “why do I want to go hang out with a bunch of nicotene and caffeine junkies constatnly reliving their nightmares? Pot heads are much more fun.”

Which brings up my uncle. He joined AA about 6 years ago after being a nasty drunk for 30+ years (and I do mean nasty, arrogant, and miserable to be anywhere near). He’s now a nasty drunk in recovery. He goes to meetings bi weekly and gets really irate if he’s even a minute late. He’s still miserable (and toxic to be around), but I guess it’s a healthier miserable for him.

I think that AA can help people (altho as my loony friend from the financial sector has said I too think it’s derivation from abrahamic religous roots is problematic). But if an alcoholic exchanges one form of obsessive behavior for another I’m not sure they’ve improved their quality of life as much as they could.

I don’t really jive with much of the theories behind “addiction science.” I find a much greater affinity with the archaic ideas of mind altering substances as helper spirits or “allies”. If your alliances are not helping, it’s better to seek new/different alliances than to pretend you can exist without them. (note: even clean water is such a spirit helper, IMO) Dale Pendell is an author who has written extensively in this vein.

Al rato vatos, I gotta run a get to work (and no the restaurant bar remodel isn’t quite done yet, but as we say here below the tortilla curtain, “casi, casi”)

19. Tuston - 31 July 2007

Green eggs and Spammed I am (and I gotta go right now so I hope this second comment makes it thru…)

20. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

what the world needs now…..a “Mo Betta Mea Culpa” blog?

Mea culpa, Mea culpa, Mea Culpa
fills cyberspace from day to day
to the most recent generated timestamp
And all our hijacked threads have ignited flames
to which all protest too much.
Delete my thoughts, sweet censor!
I am but a walking troll who rants and rates
and then is finally banned.
It is the broken wind of blogland
full of self-importance,
generating sockpuppets.

(apologies to Bill S.)

21. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

spam did not like my early morning versifying. oh well.

22. colleen - 31 July 2007

It’s interesting to observe the fallout on MLW. Emsock is apparently unable to learn from Martin’s errors

23. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

oh lordy, lordy. i hadnt even had my coffee yet when we had our first kerfuffle of the day. Mike Stark pranked Billo. Put up signs on bills street and gave the neighbors copies of Bilo’s sexual harrassment suit. It only took minutes before abligton got her tail feathers ruffled and started concern trolling. As I moved to my second cup of java, she was able to muster the army of concern (well those east of the mississipi anyway). One poster wants to TR Stark into oblivion. They are all scared what papa bear is going to say about them. It could make them look bad. MIKE PLEASE DELETE THIS DIARY. As i move to cup 3 the central time peeps are joining the battle already in progress.

ironic highlite:

This is why a site like this CANNOT be stable…
one overzealous, ego-driven idiot can always hijack the direction. Guess what this will all be about now.

Hope you enjoyed it Mike, we’ll all pay for it. If I had the ability I’d troll-rate you to oblivion.

24. supervixen - 31 July 2007

about AA: I have no personal experience with it and don’t know a lot about the organization and its style, but I do know several people who found solace and sobriety through AA. I also know a few people who tried it and hated it. So I guess it depends on your personality/views. If it helps some people stay sober, it can’t be all bad.

Madman: the “higher power” concept is an integral part of pagan spirituality too, I’m happy to say.

lucid, you reminded me of this because of your mention of film music – I’m thinking of going down to NYC in October to see a guy I know who is performing one of his pieces with the Kronos Quartet at BAM. I’ve interviewed him a couple of times for different publications. He also has written/performed some film music. He’s an amazing performer and must be seen to be believed! Anyway, if you’re interested in getting together when I go down to NYC, and maybe even seeing the concert with me, email me at feministsupervixens AT yahoo. The same goes for all other NYC-area MCatters as well.

25. supervixen - 31 July 2007

Funny, MSock doesn’t appear to have banned peeder, who was one of the ones who really got after thereisnospine.

And what’s wrong with MSock – why the absence? Is she ill? Taking a rest cure in a sanitarium, like before?

26. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

Revisionist–according to another dk diary, Chris Dodd is going to appear on O’Reilly to defend ‘bloggers” tonight. That diarist is insisting that dk is now going to tar the Dems. And in the meantime, elise is wondering if she should get her hair trimmed. What a cir-kos!

27. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

#22 — yes. it is making into the stark diary. POOR CHRIS DODD WILL BE AMBUSHED. everytime i hit refresh there are like 70 new comments. After 500 it gets hard to follow.

28. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

one poster is now suggesting Stark make a personal apology to oreilly! bring on the mea culpas!

but truly, the dk-ers have learned to do exactly what Fox does-get endless attention out of a non-issue. it is no longer about “getting democrats” elected. it’s about who should get attention.

29. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

#24 — If someone would be inclined, I bet there is a correlation between those freaked out by Mike and those who oppose impeachment.

30. supervixen - 31 July 2007

Miss D: it’s about who should get attention.

It was ALWAYS about that. Hence all the diaries along the lines of:

“Hey, look at me rant and rave righteously!”
“Hey, look at me use bad words! A lot!”
“Hey, I hate Bush!”
“Hey, I’m (or my wife or my friend or my distant relative is) dying of cancer!”
“Hey, I hate the world and maybe just maybe I’m going to commit suicide!”
“Hey, I’m mentally ill!”
“Hey, I’m learning-disabled!”
“Hey, I like sex and I have big tits!”

And so on.

31. colleen - 31 July 2007

one poster is now suggesting Stark make a personal apology to oreilly! bring on the mea culpas!

genius
That’s just the sort of suggestion I’ve come to expect from Democratic strategists.

32. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

is “Great British” a proper adjective. In his joint presser yesterday Bush kept saying Great British instead of British.

33. Paul - 31 July 2007

Mike Stark is making news.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/31/9920/91146

DailyKos is all in a tizzy about whether he went too far.

The usual Republican concern trolls are whining, along with some sincere people who haven’t been following Bill O’Rielly’s antics.

34. Paul - 31 July 2007

These cowards at DailyKos would sit idly and let Anne Coulter try to incite the fragging of a war hero.

She tried to get Jack Murtha “fragged”. She wanted a Vietnam war hero with purple hearts to be murdered.

Is it so unthinkable then, that she would want Pat Tillman dead?

So maybe Anne Coulter did incite the fragging of a war hero.

Like Mary Tillman says, politically-motivated murder can’t be ruled out as a reason for her son’s killing.

Thank you Mike Stark for having some guts.

35. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

27-colleen–it is “Shrumesque” or “Durbinesque?” (recalling Durbin’s apology for comparing gitmo to gulags, Nazi’s, Pol Pot, etc. in 2005)

36. lucid - 31 July 2007

Catnip – I feel I owe you a bit of an apology. I was slightly shocked by this incident and it reminded me of several close friends that I literally lost to AA/NA in the ’90′s [after joining they cut off most contact with me even if that contact didn't involve meeting at a bar as they were informed by the program that being friends with those from their 'former' life would complicate their 'recovery']. I do stand by what I said, but I shouldn’t have been so beligerent – I know it does help some people function when previously they were unable to do so on their own, and that can’t be a bad thing. To each their own.

SV – I’d love to attend. I’ll e-mail you when I get home from the office.

37. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

from rawstory:

“The Pentagon is expected to announce this morning that 20,000 troops will be rotated into Iraq at the end of this year to extend President Bush’s troop “surge” through next spring, CNN reported Tuesday.”

38. JJB - 31 July 2007

Revisionist,

The term “Great British” is yet one more neologism from our President, and one not likely to gain currency. In fact, within the UK itself, there is very little sense of being British these days. In an article posted on Salon.com recently, an American writer quoted a London cop as saying “There’s no such thing as British anymore. We’re either English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, or Muslim.”

On the heels of the despicable O’Hanlon/Pollack op-ed piece, comes this AP story and its nauseating spin:

U.S. Toll in Iraq Lowest in 8 Months

The U.S. military said Tuesday that a Marine was killed in fighting west of the capital, pushing the American death toll for July to at least 75, the lowest in eight months.

That’s only because the period in question is, by far, the bloodiest of the war. In the first 8 months of 2006, there was only a single month (April) in which the US fatality count exceeded 70. In 5 of the last 10 months (and each of the 3 months prior to this), US deaths exceeded 100. The average monthly US fatalities for that 10 month period is 94. The monthly average for the entire war prior to that is 63. That’s an increase of 33%.

But of course, if progress must be made, progress will be said to have been made! Even if it means cutting down on aggressive patrolling which exposes US troops to danger but allows the insurgents to solidify their control over areas we claim we are making secure.

39. JJB - 31 July 2007

Revisionist,

I can’t stop chuckling over Bush referring to the “Great British.” At least he didn’t call them “UKies”!

40. marisacat - 31 July 2007

Tuston and Miss Devore bailed out of Spam…

SV, JJB and others bailed out of Moderation…

So there are “new” comments up thread..

Sorry!

41. acmn - 31 July 2007

MSOC- I DID IT AND IT WAS A MISTAKE!!!! Argh spat spew

Uh huh. Just like the last time?

42. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

laughable attempts today at wingless to blame the censorship protecting thereisnorape© on :::get ready:::

the ‘puter! a witmans sampler of nuttiness

I DO NOT think Maryscott knew or intended to have this happen when she banned HunterHawk. Bannings can be undone, and content restored.

I think this was on honest mistake. She was exhausted, and drained by all this, and decided to ban her before bed.

I am fairly certain she had no idea it took comments with it.

Give her a chance to fix it before over-reacting.

I won’t jump to conclusions (0.00 / 0)
But I am pissed and I truly hate being pissed. It’s just so damned… pissy!
An accident would alleviate it because there is no point in being pissed at chance.

there seems to be an update to the commenting (0.00 / 0)
software that now brings up the comment window within the thread instead of on a new page. Twice now, though, I went to type in the box and it flipped me over to a blank page and i had to hit the “reply” button again. So I guess there is still a glitch in it. Maybe it’s browser related… I’m using the latest version of IE.

it would just flip me back to the diary header, now I am getting a strange box. Like dkos you have to preview before post.

Oh yeah, its annoying, everything I wrote is gone too, and while some dislike my colorful language (they are just words people) I made some valid points I want to stand.

I really think I know her well enough to know she will fix this, though.

Tired people have accidents, you know?

Spoon did not delete the thread. I expect a fuller explanation will be forthcoming, but here’s the nuts and bolts. HunterHawk was the sock puppet of a banned user. Her new UID is now also banned and said banning deleted all her comments.

It’s a mess (9.00 / 1)
and I hope it can be rectified, at least in part.

the dog ate my homework!!!!

43. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

backinspam

44. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

Re: AA and other 12 step groups

They are not cults.

There is no bowing down to a Christian-type god. The fact that many choose that sort of higher power just reflects the numbers in society who actually believe in that sort of thing. You can be an atheist, a buddhist, an agnostic, a Hindu or whatever. The idea is to surrender your will to something greater than yourself and, frankly, that can come down to just believing in your sense of intuition – your gut feeling. It isn’t necessarily something “external” at all. Nor does it have to be religious in nature. In fact, I’ve known lots of people who end up in 12 step groups who are recovering Christians as well ie. getting religion did absolutely nothing for them and addicts are typically rebels against authority so paternalistic structures are the last thing they need.

As for addressing the causes of addiction, or as lucid mentioned – self-esteem issues – that’s exactly what’s talked about in meetings ie. how you ended up becoming addicted (and most did due to some form of abuse) and what to do about it. (The 4th step). There are varying opinions about what causes addiction even in the meetings themselves. You don’t need to buy into the Big Book as if it’s some kind of bible.

The idea of those types of support groups is just to help people get through each day – nothing cultish about that. They’re just the same as going to a weight loss or other type of support group where people build each other up by sharing their struggles and offer empathy and tips on how to function while dealing with the problem.

One important cliche is to take what you need and leave the rest. That’s not how cults operate. There are no dues and people are free to leave anytime. Those with deep, unresolved issues are encouraged to seek out other forms of help whether that’s outside therapy or whatever else might work. AA is not the be all and end all and has never claimed to be.

I think you’re both right. Personally, I think AA is just another variation on the institutionalized hatred of humanity fostered by the Abrahamic faiths. Humans are small and corrupted and puny before a higher power blah blah blah. I hate it.

That’s not how it is at all. It’s about finding the power within you to overcome your problems. There’s no “hatred of humanity”. That’s absurd.

45. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

DailyKos is all in a tizzy about whether he went too far.

Thy’re just so damn conservative over there. That’s shown time and time again when they rail against protests or anything resembling civil disobedience: Sheehan, Code Pink in committee hearings etc. They take it upon themselves to be embarassed for what others do because they think everything is all about them.

I learned during my daughter’s teenage years when she wouldn’t clean her room to just close the door if I had any inkling of being embarassed by the mess when someone came over. Guess what? It worked. And I didn’t have to waste my time believing that her mess was somehow a reflection of me – even if her door was open.

Sounds like a silly analogy but the fact is that too many people are so afraid of others appearances because they think somehow that there is no such thing as individuality and take it upon themselves to be tortured martyrs because of how people around them behave. It’s a colossal waste of time and it’s just a reflection of serious insecurity.

46. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

although I cannot bear to go through all the muckity-muck, it is obvious “TINS” has a great name to alter–my faves so far:

thereisnorape

spooninghimself

__
thereisnospoonerism!

47. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

Day Two and still no post from Aravosis on Stephens. I guess he just doesnt want his readers to remember who his old boss was.

48. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

#36. lucid – no apology necessary. People choose to take different paths and it’s definitely hard to lose friends when they move on. I understand that. It’s also very hard for recovering people to sever those ties and not all do – especially if they find that their friends can respect their recovery by not using/drinking around them. It’s not as if someone in a 25 yr marriage is going to be told to walk away if the partner is a social user. You just deal with it. Some people can handle being around temptation better than others but I really do still believe that it’s one day at a time.

Heck, even though I’ve been clean & sober for 20 years and the cravings are long long gone, I’m still vulnerable to that one moment of weakness where I might feel I just can’t cope and that going back to using something might give me “temporary relief”. But I know that if I chose to do that, my slide down into the depths of addiction would be fast and furious. So I just have to be ever vigilant and rely on my coping skills to avoid that even if one of those skills is just banging my head against the wall. ;) (no, not literally)

To each their own.

Exactly – as long as they’re not harming themselves or others.

49. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

And hi Parker. I missed the whole Booman Tribune incident involving you but I understand it was quite ugly.

Funny that you were banned at MLW for what you wrote when Diane of the “undermedicated…whatever..cunt” comment W is still around.

No surprise there though. It’s all about who you know.

50. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

#46. Here’s another one: thereisnoapology

51. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

thereisonlyaforkyou

52. mysteryblogger - 31 July 2007

It seems the ol’ Luscious Vagina found himself a YearlyKos roommate. Boy, I hope Elise doesn’t get jealous.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/6/8/13228/08535/29#c29

It sure is fun digging through that guy’s history.

53. ms_xeno - 31 July 2007

Is there a surviving link that shows the entirety of spoonie’s repulsive comments ?

I can think of a few feminist bloggers outside the immediate kos-o-verse whom I’d like to pass it on to, if it still exists.

Truth is, there is nothing all that unusual about Dick Spoon’s POV, if you frequent feminist blogs. I’m sad to say. But it is noteworthy that the little maggot is so blunt about his views and his political aspirations at the same time.

54. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

52–that is hilarious–I thought the other day he was synchronizing watches with another poster, and speculating the time he would step out of the cab—but he forgot to get a room? Or did he book at the boycotted hotel? (I’ll czech)

speaking of thereisnevernoreasontotroll-rate, someone referred to taylormattd as one of the “diary police.” Can you imagine???

“the title (1+ / 0-)

of this diary is “Hand Wringing Pussies”.

by taylormattd on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 10:14:08 AM PDT

*
so what… there have been worse titles. (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Dave925

I judged on the substance of the diary,
titles are just titles.

there was nothing in my comment that
warrents being trolled.

You are abusing you TU status.

by Statusquomustgo on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 10:18:54 AM PDT

bullshit (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
KenBee

you condescendingly labeled several people who called for a diary titled “Hand Wringing Pussies” to be deleted “diary police”.

by taylormattd on Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 10:21:21 AM PDT

————–

b-b-b-but…is “condescending labeling” in the FAQS??

must get ruling in kosaroo court, methinks.

55. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

Mike stark has crashed DK

56. ms_xeno - 31 July 2007

sv: (#30)

Today’s writing challenge is to devise a thread that includes all those statements in one post, and get it to FP status in less than 24 hours. Here’s your blue book and your No. 2 pencil. Good luck. :D

57. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

from the previous thread:

You’re a good guy and an excellent writer (7.00 / 4)
But in my opinion, your views on what is and is not rape shocked even me, one of the most conservative members of this forum. I’m from a younger generation than you (22 years old), and frankly, everyone I know who’s my age thinks that having sex with a woman who is intoxicated is rape, whether she consents or not. I know people who don’t agree with that, but they are NOT my friends, and I’m proud of that.

Also, your attacks on Cali were pretty uncalled for, though she was definitely roughing you up a bit. Based on your comments, I think you had her confused with Catnip (whom I also wouldn’t condone attacks on, even though I used to make them myself, but that’s another story).

ProgressiveHistorians: History and Politics Of, By, and For the People
by: Nonpartisan @ Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 17:51:33 PM CDT
by: you @ soon

I have no idea why my name came up there and, of course, I can’t find out thanks to the mass deletions of thereisnoclue’s comments. I do know that I never paid attention to the clueless one at BT. I think he was there after I was gone.

58. lucid - 31 July 2007

I’m still trying to grasp what a ‘hand wringing pussy’ is… and yes, ‘condescension’ to thread thugs is in the FAQ on trollrating, right below the clause on calling out hypocrisy.

59. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

Hey ms x, good to see you’re back from your self-imposed exile. Hope you’re feeling better or “as well as can be expected”, as they say.

60. lucid - 31 July 2007

Ms_x – I’m sure Elise would have no problem with that assignment.

61. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

52–oh, I see-it is a thread from June

56 “You spelling challenged f***heads have tormented me about my big tits to the point where you will be no less culpable in my suicide than my mother or george bush!”

(should be all caps, probably)

62. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

57–I loved the debate on what hand-wringing actually means–’it takes strength to wring a hand so it is not indicative of weakness”

63. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Thereisnorape, there are only drunk and 16 yr old women ….

If the diarist changes the word ‘Hand’ to ‘Paw’ that ought to fix it! Lol!

They are so scared of what their Republican buddies will think of them …..

Mike Stark probably didn’t realize the whole O’Reilly thing is a faux fight. Now it may become real! Rotfl!

64. cad - 31 July 2007

“If someone would be inclined, I bet there is a correlation between those freaked out by Mike and those who oppose impeachment.”

i doubt that. i’ve been praying for impeachment since day one of bushco.

i thought it was funny to confront bullo on his home turf, but mike stark has been a dedicated kossack and also part of the kos kops as i’ve experienced with him in the past. he’s more than happy to help disappear people/comments from the site and it’s hilarious that he gets to call people who disagee with what he did “concern trolls” – i.e., aren’t trolls people who appear to stir shit up? but when stark does it in reality, he’s some heroic gadfly. sorry, i don’t like him.

65. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Who was it that just wrote a fantastic GBCW diary about the donkey in the “Crashing no gates” commercial. He was dead on because what everyone missed in that scene was that when Kos kicked the donkey it wasn’t hurt.

The DK metric for “winning” is not what policies were changed or advancement in progressive ideologies were made… but clearly how much money they made. So, what every one is crying about in M. Starks diary is that he is hurting their chances to make more money at the expense of advancing progressive ideology… ie you don’t cower to a bully you fight back.

They portray what is wrong with the Democratic Party that would rather cower in their rabbit holes and get rich than take a stand that might offend a lobbist. Look at Schumer now…. he has gathered millions of dollars from the investment brokers and assured them that HE WON’T FIGHT….

How can we accept more from the sniveling masses at DK.

66. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

interesting–I thought Hunter was referring to Starks post here, but it was kos”

“But on the other hand, putting Bill O’Reilly workplace sexual harassment porn on our site was like taking a bite out of a gym sock.”

our? is there a kos coup?

67. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Mike Stark probably didn’t realize the whole O’Reilly thing is a faux fight.

Exactly…. Bill O probably went back into the house and called Kos … to reel in his boyz…

68. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Ms xeno, to get to the FP I don’t think you need literary skills …

Ms x and anyone else who is interested, I discovered last night that I have the deleted thread from MLW (at least up to when it had over 130 comments) in a window that is still open. I had not deleted or refreshed several windows and always keep the computer on because of work.

So, how do I save it or copy it? Btw, Ms xeno, some of the comments are posted a few threads back, I think maybe two back.

69. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

68-SAbrina-sell it to MSOC!

70. supervixen - 31 July 2007

A wee bit of fiddling around in Google cache comes up with most of it. This is my favorite bit:

since you don’t believe me…
you really need to read Who Stole Feminism.

Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute delved into these uncomfortable waters in Who Stole Feminism. The one-in-four statistic, she found, was derived from a survey of 3,000 college women in 1982. Researchers used three questions to determine if respondents had been raped: Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs? Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man threatened or used some degree of physical force… to make you? And, have you had sexual acts…when you didn’t want to because a man threatened to use some degree of physical force… to make you?

Based on women’s responses, researchers concluded that 15 percent of women surveyed had been raped and 12 percent had experienced an attempted rape. Therefore, 27 percent of women — more than one in four — were either the victims of rape or attempted rape. This is the origin of the one-in-four statistic.

Yet other data from that same survey undercut its conclusion. While alcohol surely plays a part in many rape cases, the survey’s wording invites the label of rape victim to be applied to anyone who has ever drank too much, had a sexual encounter, and then regretted it later. In addition, only 25 percent of the women whom researchers counted as being raped described the incident as rape themselves. The survey found that four in ten of the survey’s rape victims, and one in three victims of attempted rape, chose to have intercourse with their so-called attacker again. The survey researchers scratched their heads as to why these women would return to their attackers, but Sommers asks the obvious question: “Since most women the survey counted as victims didn’t think they had been raped, and since so many went back to their partners, isn’t it reasonable to conclude that many had not been raped to begin with?”

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 15:42:07 PM CDT

what a braindead argument

Married women can be forcibly raped by their own husbands. Does that mean they weren’t really raped?

by: HunterHawk @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 15:48:26 PM CDT

You Stupid Ignorant Fuck

Christina Hoff Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute
Get a fucking clue you moran.

This is like quoting the KKK in regards to civil rights to idiot.

by: Parker @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 15:49:12 PM CDT

tyou’re right

i’m wrong. all the surveys are wrong. the anecdotes are all wrong. all the focus groups are wrong. none of the music or television or video games (40% females now, btw) or any other cultural artifact are anything more than an disembodied laughingstock not representative of the actual culture.

And everyone at DailyKos and everywhere is a misogynist pig, and all the female frontpagers there are sorority sluts.

Because you people–boomers or very late x-ers all, I guarantee it–are the really objective ones who know the truth.

Have a nice life with the blog you’ve taken over.

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 15:53:49 PM CDT

Yes, you are wrong

Glad that you can finally admit it.
Gee… if you can not even tell the difference between and AEI report and an unbiased report you really have no business trying to be a political operative.

by: Parker @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 15:58:38 PM CDT

it’s not the report

it’s the entire book. But you wouldn’t get it.
You’ve managed to red herring this whole thing rather nicely, but really, this is no different from the shit that went down on Booman Tribune.

You people have your own hollowed out blog all to yourselves, and the rest of the world will just pass you by. People with your worldviews were irrelevant before Fox News “conservatives” were irrelevant.

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 16:07:29 PM CDT

Do you even have a clue

to who the AEI are and what they do?

by: Parker @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 16:09:44 PM CDT

I’ll give you a hint

it is there old neocons and theocons are put out to pasture like Bolton and Sanatorum… and we honestly want me to believe that that “book” is unbiased???

It is not a matter of age but a matter of intelligence… and you kid are lacking the basics.

by: Parker @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 16:13:12 PM CDT

Christina Hoff-Sommers

is a darling of the right wing.
Or didn’t you know that?

Keep digging the hole, you’re doing great.

by: HunterHawk @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 16:12:11 PM CDT

[...]

btw eugene, thank you for the kind words

If I seem dismissive of caliberal and some others here, it’s because i’ve been the rounds with them many times on many issues: first on DailyKos before they were banned; then on Booman Tribune before they hollowed it out and then left for here; and now here.

I dismiss their views for the same reason they get themselves banned at other blogs (not just dkos), and for the same reason they are trying to run me out on a rail like they ran so many out at Booman. They cannot be reasoned with, and, like MarisaCat, apparently live to cause trouble and destroy perfectly good blog communities.

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 23:34:44 PM CDT

that’s ridiculous

Right, everyone who dares to argue with you is “harassing” you, and everyone who expresses a viewpoint different from yours is “causing trouble” and attempting to “destroy the blog community”.

Do you have any idea what that sounds like?

Is it so difficult for you to grasp that some of us have deeply-held beliefs on these issues and feel obliged to speak out when someone says something repugnant?

Better to condemn those you disagree with as “dangerous subversives”. I’m sure you’d like to silence them entirely.

by: HunterHawk @ Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 05:59:07 AM CDT

71. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Do you use Firefox?

72. Glingle - 31 July 2007

Revisionist & JJB.
It could have been worse. He could have said Britishers.

National identity in the UK is a different thing to that in the US. The Union flag was appropriated by the National Front (and other racist organisations) in the 70/80′s and so there is a weird feeling about waving it and going woo GB for those of us who have memories of that period. There has been much discussion about how to create a sense of this identity in immigrants and second generations, with no real framework of what that identity actually is.

My mother is Welsh, my dad American. I was born in London but now live in Devon (near where my great grandmother was born). I self-define as British because it’s less complicated :)

73. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

#69. We could sell it at our VAG auction. ;)

74. supervixen - 31 July 2007

Hand Wringing Pussies is a great band name.

SB: excellent that you have the whole thread on your PC – save that pussy! I mean – puppy!

72, Glingle – my Scottish friends like to say that when a Scot gets famous, the English call him “British”, but when an Englishman gets famous, of course they specify that he’s “English”.

75. lucid - 31 July 2007

our? is there a kos coup?

Perhaps he bought shares of Kos Media LLC… not a wise investment in my book.

76. supervixen - 31 July 2007

73, lcatnip: We could sell it at our VAG auction.

You’re a knitter, aren’t you? Perhaps you could knit the entire text of the thread into a scarf. A la Madame Defarge :-)

77. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

Just to note:

Scout who has the anti Stark diary was one of the funniest people during Jet blue.

She loved Jetbleu. GO BLUE! Then someone posted an expose on the airlines bizness practices. Jet blue BAAAD. then jet blue good. WRITE JETBLUE YALL. then jetblue caved. jetblue BAAAD. Write jetblue again yall.

78. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Lol – Miss D, do you really thing she wants it?

D.Throat, I have firefox but it doesn’t work very well on this computer. So I’m on IE …. don’t know how to do a screen capture. Maybe I could copy and paste it to Word? Don’t know, but I did check out the current thread and a lot is still there ….

Actually I don’t know why they removed SV’s stuff, the Caliberal exchanges were the worst, imo ….. and they were still there last I looked ….

For Ms x: Try this link, some of the offending comments should still be there ….

Now Faux is attacking ….. the Huffington Post?

79. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

FYI: Darth Cheney will be on Larry King’s show tonite. Wear your Deflector Beanie.

80. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

You’re a knitter, aren’t you? Perhaps you could knit the entire text of the thread into a scarf. A la Madame Defarge

Well if I take that up, it damn well better sell for at least $9,600. ;)

81. lucid - 31 July 2007

Well that orange scarf fetched $10,000 in a yearly kos auction – that would be a lot of cat food deliveries for Mcat.

82. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

I’m spam I am ….

anyway, I answered D. Throat, no I’m on IE … don’t know how to screen capture, used to but I forget …

83. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

#82 — button that says Print Screen

84. marisacat - 31 July 2007

That drool from thereisnospoon in comment 70 is hilarious.

[I] dismiss their views for the same reason they get themselves banned at other blogs (not just dkos), and for the same reason they are trying to run me out on a rail like they ran so many out at Booman. They cannot be reasoned with, and, like MarisaCat, apparently live to cause trouble and destroy perfectly good blog communities.

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 23:34:44 PM CDT

I just observed at Booman when he departed. It was his comment that communists vote Democrat – and my guess at the time, that probably followed other outrageous shit…. The Atkins family appear to be vested anti-communists.

So vital these days to be anti-commie. Perhaps they dream of Castro at night and it revs them up. Or they dream of Ho Chi Minh… All revved up for their nightly ablutions.

What loons. I had really never noticed thereisnospoon til his ignorant gyrations at BMT and his getting bounced from the FP. It actually was a community action, poor Martin had no choice.

Then later someone sent me a comment from one of them (I had no idea there were two, at the time) saying I harrassed him “and my brother”.

that is how I even became aware of hekebolos.

I am sorry, these are self-obsessed and generally obsessed people.

Nothing more.

85. supervixen - 31 July 2007

SB, if you are on Explorer, go to Page in the upper right hand corner (if your toolbar is where mine is), and Save As.

86. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

If you were to used Firebox there is a great add on called “Scrapbook”

87. Paul - 31 July 2007

I’m from a younger generation than you (22 years old), and frankly, everyone I know who’s my age thinks that having sex with a woman who is intoxicated is rape, whether she consents or not.

This is an interesting comment. Does this person mean intoxicated by the legal standard which would prohibit one from driving or using machinery?

I’m guessing this person doesn’t mean to say that a guy and his girlfriend can’t get horribly drunk before snogging.

He must mean on first date. But I always thought that was one of the reasons people got very drunk, to take the edge off of their inhibitions.

I always thought the consensus was that a gentleman would never take advantage of a woman who had passed out.

Also, one would probably want to avoid sex if she were excessively drunk and he were sober.

But suppose they both got very drunk? Both person’s judgment is impaired. Suppose she only had three drinks? Is that too drunk?

What exactly is the consensus on the blood alcohol content at which point intercourse between a man and a woman becomes immoral, even considered rape?

88. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

It is bullshit that the comments are truly deleted… and if she wanted to she could “undo” the error in one second.

89. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

From my place: Olbermann video on Gonzo and Pelosi’s do-nothing response to impeaching him.

But Pelosi sees impeaching Gonzales and his superiors as a distraction from the ambitious agenda she has crafted for the House. “If I can just hold my caucus together,” she says, “I can take them to this progressive place.”

90. supervixen - 31 July 2007

“They live to cause trouble and destroy perfectly good blog communities”

Yeah, right. Too bad that everyone whom he’s attacking was once a productive, positive, enthusiastic member of those communities, with TU status, recommended diaries, hundreds of highly recommended comments, etc. Until that fateful day when they argued too strongly for feminism, raised questions about party operatives, or told off Armando. Then they suddenly became Evil Shitstirrers and Enemies of the State.

Funny how that works.

91. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

“I can take them to this progressive place.”

yeah… if we all just follow the yellow brick road.

92. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

#84. Ah yes, the old “serial blog wrecker” charge.

perfectly good blog communities.

Like dkos, BT and MLW? Puhlease. lol

93. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

So, how do I save it or copy it? Btw, Ms xeno, some of the comments are posted a few threads back, I think maybe two back.

go up to “file” and pull down to “save as” and navigate on your drive to a folder you create specifically for the page. depending on your browser you might see options in the dialogs about “save web archive” or something similar. and yes, you want to enable anything like that. in firefox if you “save as” it gets the complete page, images and everythig and you just load the local copy, rather than a page across the tubes.

you can also experiment with the save, by keeping the page open after you save it, and loading the local copy in a different window, or a different browser, and viewing it. the thing you don’t want to do is close the window or refresh.

94. D. Throat - 31 July 2007


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It really doesn’t get easier than this…. just drag and drop. Also you can have folders just like bookmarks

95. supervixen - 31 July 2007

DT on MSock: It is bullshit that the comments are truly deleted… and if she wanted to she could “undo” the error in one second.

Oh, of course. She lies like a rug. She deleted all my comments the last time she banned me, too. That’s much better for their purposes – then nobody can read the comments and say “But why did you ban that person?”

96. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

SV, He really thinks that there is a difference in being banned from any one of the BBBs or their affiliates? Lol …. they are all friends …

His prejudices and hatred for women are so glaringly obvious …. he sees himself as such a victim …. from some of his posts, in a different thread, where he tries to explain the culture of the ‘red state’ where he was raised, he explained how child abuse and sex with underage girls is accepted and ‘kept within the family’,.

He said he had personal experiences which gave him the right to speak on this. He said that people, including the victims, would never want to send the perpetrators to jail because they ‘love them’ and/or it would tear the community apart.

He said all this as if people did not know it already, but unlike him, believe it needs to be changed. He seems willing to accept it, even defend it ….

Reading much of what he says, I think there are some deep issues there … anyone wishing to expose that lifestyle, and prevent it in the future seem to be targets of his anger ….. and the most vocal he believes, are ‘old-school feminists’ whatever that is. He has boxes ready to place everyone in, except the abusive culture he claims to have grown up around. He doesn’t even see himself doing it.

In a way, I feel sorry for him …. my take is he’s trying to defend a way of life, maybe not excuse it entirely because part of him knows it is no longer socially acceptable,( especially in the career he has chosen,) that is very familiar to him. He’s like a throw-back to another time when other wrongs were acceptable and with changes in society, it’s hard for the throwbacks to accept the changes.

His rants against women, imo, are rooted in his upbringing in a place where he says, abuse and sexual assault were pretty much accepted and ‘kept within the family’. Women naturally are going to be the ones to expose and rail against such a culture, since they are the victims of it. But his belief that ‘women like to be objectified’ nonsense, makes him feel better …. see, they don’t mind being abused …. he knows people who were, and they never told and they still love the abuser. Big mouth outsiders like Women, are threatening to disrupt that culture..

Read his comments in this thread …. that’s what I got out of them …. he has a creepy acceptance of behavior that most people find repulsive. It’s probably best for him not to touch this topic until he gets those issues resolved, which may take a lifetime.

Former GOP State Rep. arrested for child rape and molestation

97. Revisionist - 31 July 2007

why wont you stay banned SV?

98. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

take it up with the new feminists, not me

The new feminist doesn’t eschew the use of the word “girl”–instead, she revels in it, much like Oprah. The new feminist doesn’t decry the display and even occasional objectification of the female body–instead, she uses it to tie men in strings and get what she wants.

If you’ve got a problem with that, which obviously you do and have a lot of energy about it, take it up with them, not with me.

You’re the one who thinks a site with a majority of frontpagers who are female has a fratboy mentality. That says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Finally, I don’t take any shit from boomers just because of your age. It was boomers who, having burned their bras and draft cards and broken all the sexual mores when their loins were raging, voted in Reagan when it came time to pay their taxes, and moralist Republicans when it came time to raise their own children. My generation is more progressive than ever yours was, and will clean up the mess your overreaches left behind.

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99. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Spammmmmmy !!!!!! oh how I luv ya… how I luv ya…

100. marisacat - 31 July 2007

Sabrina

you can also do a fast cut and paste. When I do that I copy it into a gmail email (google-able for me) and send it to myself. That way you have the text safe and keeping the window open you can see about the other systems for saving mentioned above.

I only mentioned that as you said it had been a while and you had forgotten… I am very non tech… ;)

That is how I saved Voyeurs and the comments.

101. ms_xeno - 31 July 2007

lucid, thanks. I get depressed and am no fun for posting, but I still try to keep up on posting.

Catnip, would you be amenable to starting an MBM thread with some of Dick Spoon’s highlights ? Blogger makes this computer colapse and die pretty much every time I try to use it.

SB, maybe email yourself the cut-and-pasted posts, with the ISP copied if possible, to forgo any future charges that the posts don’t exist.

I’m especially interested in forwarding this stuff to a blogger or two I know who write regularly about the phenomenon of rape apologists, especially when they are not confined to the supposed official right wing.

102. marisacat - 31 July 2007

Gee. The Brothers Grimm as someone called them

Such unrelenting assholes.

103. ms_xeno - 31 July 2007

First paragraph should end “keep up on lurking.” Bah.

Ironically, it was the Unapologetic Mexican who booted me out of my latest funk with a quote by Derrick Jensen on his blog about how depression is a perfectly reasonable response to our fucked-up culture. How’s that for a paradox ?

MissD, just remember to pad pad pad those tirades if you expect to score an energetic book deal soon. Ka-CHIINNNGG !!

104. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Here it is, I had scrapbooked it.

As an amusing aside, shortly after Kos came to town, I saw the funny little ad for Crashing the Gate. This showed a bunch of netizens desperately tugging at a donkey trying to pull it their way. But the donkey wouldn’t budge. And then Kos came up from behind and gave it a good kick in the ass and saved the day.

You don’t have to be an advertising major to get the symbology of that scene. People Power was faltering at the rope. But the lone blog leader came in and saved the day.

The only thing that made the metaphor more perfect was the revelation that no donkeys were harmed during the making of the ad. Indeed.

There is a war going on, but Howard Dean ain’t a part of it. It is a war on you. You see, there’s a lot of incredibly powerful people and they are afraid of you. And they’re especially afraid of the rise of economic populism that is flourishing on the lefty blogs.

But the machine beats them down. Raising money, trading votes, and eventually, they become the system. They learn to play the game, and the game wins. Now, they serve no function but to maintain the status quo.

And now we get to watch a little scaled down, mini version of these events play out right here. Some of the “leaders” of the blogworld are seriously vaccuous opportunists. They see this as a path to a fat gig.

Others are just naive. Wet behind the ears, they have no fucking idea that politics is about nothing but money to most of the players. Trillions of dollars. They fail to recognize that people will kill other people for $20,000. What will they do for $20 billion?

There is no way to kick the donkey without causing it pain. Political change is nothing but conflict. Friction. And pain. You are a Democrat. Chances are, you believe in policies, like single payer health care, that would result in certain parties losing billions of dollars. Billions.

What do you think they would do to keep that money? That’s right. They would kill you. Just like the energy companies and United Fruit (Chiguita) have been killing entire countries for decades.

The other corporate donor to YearlyKos, Issue Dynamics, is worse than JetBlue. They are a PR firm. What does that mean? It means they take corporate criminals, liars, theives and scumbags, and make them look good by utilizing powerful connections in the mass media market to implement brilliant campaigns of deception.

Can you say astroturf? Well, this is precisely what JetBlue and Issue Dynamics presence at YearlyKos will be. Thing is, whatever rationalization you can think of, accepting money from these people is a tacit endorsement of their companies.

The CEO of JetBlue, David Neeleman, just gave $6,300 to Mitt Romney. He gave $5,000 to the NRCC. I can’t wait to hear the hypocrisy of those who chafe Ralph Nader for accepting money from Republicans.

105. marisacat - 31 July 2007

ms xeno!

sorry, meant to say, glad to see you.

slightly overwhelmed today.

If you and catnip post on this at MBM, lemme know or link here and excerpt.

What luntics. And those who harbor them.

106. marisacat - 31 July 2007

SB

your link in comment 96 is nto working… ;)

107. ms_xeno - 31 July 2007

[Passes D.Throat a fresh bag of Parisian macaroon as payment for superior tech skills.]

108. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

Catnip, would you be amenable to starting an MBM thread with some of Dick Spoon’s highlights ? Blogger makes this computer colapse and die pretty much every time I try to use it.

I could do that but I’d have to take a shower after – with all of my clothes on naturally, since I’m one of those old-school feminists who’s scared of her body. In fact, I haven’t even looked at my boobs since the 80s.

Ironically, it was the Unapologetic Mexican who booted me out of my latest funk with a quote by Derrick Jensen on his blog about how depression is a perfectly reasonable response to our fucked-up culture. How’s that for a paradox ?

Makes sense to me. The cliche about PTSD is that it’s a normal reaction to an abnormal situation.

109. mysteryblogger - 31 July 2007

Miss Devore, in re: #61. I know it is a few months old but I was wondering what kind of woman would share her room with Mr. Vagina.

110. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

Crashing the Gates – JetBlue Style
by TocqueDeville
Fri Jul 20, 2007 at 12:14:51 AM PDT

Ooops…. I now see that it has been deleted

111. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

yum ;-)

112. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

Wingless:

The Blogging Curmudgeon has resigned as admin at MLW. -py

113. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

103-Ms_x–I bought a pair of cute, fab Merell’s at Marshall’s yesterday–do you think that will help?

114. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

This is in relation to what I wrote up thread:

The DK metric for “winning” is not what policies were changed or advancement in progressive ideologies were made… but clearly how much money they made. So, what every one is crying about in M. Starks diary is that he is hurting their chances to make more money at the expense of advancing progressive ideology…

It could be more crystal clear than what Thereisnorape said:

If old school feminists can’t get that the new feminism has appropriated sexiness as a new form of empowerment, and is so behind the times that it doesn’t understand the irony inherent in a modern Maryanne and Ginger pie fight and would rather deny ad revenue to a major progressive blog than even be forced to look at the ad, there’s not much help for them.

It has nothing to do with right-of-center Reaganite views–it has to do with different tactics.

Kos has sent is his hyenas into the threads to acknowledge what side the site is one… Stark not only made the faux pas of actually believing that Kos was being attacked for real… but even worse he put his principles over money…. baaaaaaaad boyz

115. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Paul, I think the comment was in reference to first dates with strangers or underage girls or boys … it’s just something you know when you see it. If someone is so drunk or out of it, underage or eg mentally disabled and unable to give consent or to object, it is considered rape ….

***********

Thanks everyone, Marisacat and Ms xeno, I do usually email stuff to myself but thought this might be too big. Will do so and see what happens …. I don’t think I got all the comments, just up to when it was over 130 or so.

The new feminist doesn’t eschew the use of the word “girl”–instead, she revels in it, much like Oprah. The new feminist doesn’t decry the display and even occasional objectification of the female body–instead, she uses it to tie men in strings and get what she wants.

There is no ‘new’ or ‘old’ when it comes to rape and abuse. But this statement fits exactly with my post above re his own revelations about his upbringing in a culture that accepts abuse …. he is looking for justification for his belief that women don’t mind being abused. They love the abusers, because that could be their father or brother. He thinks because they do not tell, they enjoy it …. it gets them attention from the authority figure in their lives.

It seems the old boyzz have come up with a title for excusing that culture of secrecy and abuse, and it’s called ‘The New Feminism’!

116. lucid - 31 July 2007

ms_x – you’re in good company. I think many of the vipes are perennially depressed.

117. marisacat - 31 July 2007

Moving right along:

The United Nations Security Council unanimously approves a plan to send a 26,000-strong peacekeeping force to Sudan’s Darfur region.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

118. D. Throat - 31 July 2007

‘The New Feminism’ is like “New Democrats”… they are neither “new” nor Democrats just a vestige of a mixture of pre civil rights Democratic and GOP parties where white men were kings and the negras and wimmin knew their place.

119. marisacat - 31 July 2007

Sabrina

you can copy and paste in parts. I did the text of Voyeurs in one section and the comments in another.

120. supervixen - 31 July 2007

LOL!!! Msock was SO FUCKING DESPERATE to silence me:

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK (2.00 / 2)

I DID IT AND IT WAS A MISTAKE.
Meant to simply BAN HunterHawk, apparently — despite assurances to the contrary — thaat action took eveyrthing with it.

FUUUUUUUUCK.

by: Maryscott O’Connor @ Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 11:21:50 AM CDT

So. Fucking. Desperate.

It makes me laugh that they think I’m such a dangerous and threatening entity that I MUST BE SILENCED. What a hoot!

121. marisacat - 31 July 2007

YOu know I never understood either end of the JetBlue High Scream, Kos edition….

Accept the 10 vouchers, say thanks. Nice accommodation. Hi and Bye… and move on. 10 vouchers is small potaoes.

I never understood the huge screaming flap at being tossed some cheap tix.

Nor the other end. And all the inbetween.

122. marisacat - 31 July 2007

If anyone wants the TocqueDeVille diary, I have it (not the comments).

I sent it to someone who is blocked at work.

123. that one guy that's not banned, mostly - 31 July 2007

parker is not banned

124. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

first I ever heard of “Barefoot College” in India. a good thing, no?

http://tinyurl.com/2crwk9

125. supervixen - 31 July 2007

MCat: I never understood the huge screaming flap at being tossed some cheap tix.

It’s just like the chocolate fountain from last year.

126. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Marisacat, sorry about the link in #96 …. it was to a thread on MLW in a diary by thereisnospoon. Will try again

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=16752

Or see if this works, I think the comments in this diary from him are very revealing …. and really do explain a lot ….

Former Gop State Rep. arrested for Child Rape and Molestation

lol, you have no idea (0.00 / 0)
you take too much for granted. I have exremely personal experience with it, if you get my drift. And there are histories of sexual abuse in my family and those of my friends.
I don’t have to read about–though I have. I’ve lived it.

Most sexual abuse occurs inside the home by someone close to the victim. In most cases, the victim would never want to see the perpetrator put in jail, however much they might deserve it.

The number of offenses by strangers or authority figures is extremely low, actually–though it does cause a lot of public hysteria. DUI perps cause far more damage to society and to lives than stranger/authority figure pedophiles, mostly due to the sheer numbers of fatalities involved.

As long as we’re into cruel and unusual punishments, i’ll take the DUIs

by: thereisnospoon @ Mon May 21, 2007 at 05:17:57 AM CDT
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Women will be the ones who react the most fiercely to the kind of apologetics for abuse his ‘New Feminism’ movement is all about – because for one, they are usually the victims but if not that, they are often MOTHERS who will fiercely fight to protect their children, male and female from harm. His diatribe on all of this, his claim that what he is putting forth as feminism, is now legitimate, truly is frightening.

127. lucid - 31 July 2007

I’m such a dangerous and threatening entity…

Who knew we were sharing the blogsphere with the monolith. ;)

128. Paul - 31 July 2007

I sent $50 to Mike Stark. He’s really demonstrated what it’s all about.

Max Blumenthal did a hell of a good thing too when he went into the College Republicans wank-fest, and the pseudo-Christian rapture-fest.

But the confrontational nature of what Mike Stark did was very nice. I liked how they waved at him with a loofa-sponge at the end.

129. liberalcatnip - 31 July 2007

ms_x – you’re in good company. I think many of the vipes are perennially depressed.

I’ll drink to that!

No…wait…

130. cad - 31 July 2007

stark is a classic kossack; he’s had no trouble with calling those of us banned “trolls” of kind or another. he was silent when the mass banings and deleted comments occured — except to join in the cause — so in my book he’s nobody’s hero. i think he’s a borderline sociopath, like kos.

131. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

My Left Wing Nightmare
by: Maryscott O’Connor
Tue Jul 31, 2007 at 13:16:59 PM PDT

Due SOLELY to my own ineptitude, this ban resulted in the disappearance of all the banned person’s comments, which of course included the disappearance of all comments ATTACHED to those comments. This was a mistake, a technical error ONLY. I was under the mistaken impression that if I opted not to click a certain option, the UID would be banned but the comments would remain. Unfortunately, this was not the case. Those comments and the ones attached to it are gone forever, despite my intention to AVOID that very circumstance.

I REPEAT: This was operator error, NOT an attempt to censor anyone.

along the gulf coast of texas this is known as lying bullshit. proving otherwise is quite easily done, and has been in the past, by this same unethical blogger.

mr cur states he has a complete copy of the thread.

However, it should be noted that I anticipated this yesterday, and made an archive of the ENTIRE DIARY as it stood at 1:13 am PST Monday, July 30, 2007– including ALL Comments. And yes, those include ALL of the comments made by Thereisnospoon.

she can easily republish his local copy just as EASILY as she republished louisianagirl’s sexual harrassment post entitled voyeurs.

if not? living-color proof of coverup lies and censorship.

put the misogynist’s words back up MEsock, for the record. else your site is nothing more than MEsock’s

My Left Wing Lies

132. colleen - 31 July 2007

#98,

How common of emsock to make that piece of poorly raised white trash an administrator on her site and to uprate him as he displays the apparently limitless depths of his arrogance and ignorance in order to insult her female readers. I’m not suprised.

133. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

inspamagain

134. Paul - 31 July 2007

TINS said something the other day I found weird. He was comparing the negative effects of child molestation to drunk driving.

Well, drunk driving is serious and has serious consequences, but so does molestation.

Disease, pregnancy, crippling psychological and emotional damage – these are some of the terrible effects associated with molestation.

The Catholic church is opposed to decriminalizing prostitution, yet they would send a molesting priest from parish to parish, letting him exploit more kids.

I guess their faith thrives on sin, confession and repentance, so they need lots of sins to fuel their appetite for confession and forgiveness to be handed out by the same hypocrites who are either doing the molesting or enabling the molesters.

135. marisacat - 31 July 2007

just got bay and Sabrina out of Spam…

Sorry!

*************************

New Thread:

LINK

136. Miss Devore - 31 July 2007

I just remembered someone else who used to talk about “haters”:

One way to get me out till December (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Miss Blue, rolet, Krum, Buffalo Girl, paddykraska

is to get Joe out before November.

Get to work you Armando haters. The reward is great.

by Armando on Sat Aug 12, 2006 “

137. Parker - 31 July 2007

that one guy that’s not banned, mostly – 31 July 2007

parker is not banned

Bullshit, I am still banned and no explanation has been give even though most of my post were rated highly by FPers.

138. marisacat - 31 July 2007

If we don’t want our world to come crashing down around us, we have to stand up to the Bush-appeasers now.

— Paul

Well to be blunt the time, such as it was, was years ago.

You fight for the votes. Wiht everything you have. If you lose or you miscalculate… you come back and you take that presidency away from the likes of Bush – or, to be frank, from the likes of Arnold.

The Democratic party does not fight back. They don’t.

The game, the scam was to let everyhing devolve to horror – a magnum opus version of managing to get the Foley seat but with great struggle (they barely won it) – and let the presidency fall to them.

PARASITES.

139. colleen - 31 July 2007

He was comparing the negative effects of child molestation to drunk driving.

this is a common argument from these scumbags; It is an attempt to trivialize and rationalize a genuinely disgusting crime and make it socially acceptable. (as are his comments on date rape)

The one thing he’s right about is that women would vote out of office any pol who wanted to go easy on pedophiles. It’s one of those issues that liberal and conservative women (who aren’t former pole dancers or alcoholic whores with a taste for debasing other women) agree on.

140. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 July 2007

Waving to ACME way upthread! Long time no see, how are the kitties? :-)

Glingle, thanks for the info on the British …. not to worry, we are not as ignorant as the current resident of the WH. I heard that Devon is a beautiful part of England …. never been there, but I have been to London which I love …. it’s a great fun city to visit..

Mystery Blogger, there is someone for everyone … and I think Luscious is most likely to find his perfect woman on DK ….. where else would he ook?

Cad, I didn’t know that about Mike Stark I only saw his diaries and his pranks which I thought were pretty good. He seemed to not be very popular at DK since I’ve been there …. thanks for the info, though ….

Paul, In the thread I linked to above, are the comments from Spoonless you refer to … they were pretty strange ….

141. that one guy that's not banned, mostly - 31 July 2007

parker, this is pyrrho, I checked, you are not banned.

142. that one guy that's not banned, mostly - 31 July 2007

soapy upgraded the comment system, you probably are having trouble posting comments… do a “hard” refresh, usually something like ctrl-r or hold control and click reload, or the cmd key on mac, or personally I forget and try them all, alt, opt, whatever and click reload.

143. Parker - 31 July 2007

I will check it out. As you know I rarely post anymore but that was too outrageous to let go by.

144. supervixen - 31 July 2007

130, cad- I totally agree with you about Mike Stark. I’ve never liked him much. Not only is he a “classic Kossack” with all that that implies, he has always struck me as mindless and erratic.

131, bay:

she can easily republish his local copy just as EASILY as she republished louisianagirl’s sexual harrassment post entitled voyeurs.

if not? living-color proof of coverup lies and censorship.

put the misogynist’s words back up MEsock, for the record. else your site is nothing more than MEsock’s

My Left Wing Lies

Absolutely. It exposes her as a fraud – a vicious, vindictive fraud who supports and enables antifeminists.

145. colleen - 31 July 2007

My Left Wing Lies

Emsock frequently lies, this particular lie is about as transparent as testimony from Alberto Gonzoles.
I do believe her when she says she used to be an alcoholic whore tho.

146. bayprairie - 31 July 2007

Absolutely. It exposes her as a fraud – a vicious, vindictive fraud who supports and enables antifeminists.

yep. all the carrying on and misdirection is eyewash. trolling isnt the issue. covering up for a democratic boyo buddy is.

the comment deletions were completely intentional.

they are still available.

and they will never be put back up.

147. bayprairie - 1 August 2007

Supervixen, aka “HunterHawk” (6.00 / 1)
Despite your claim that this comment will “soon be deleted” (which you made elsewhere, ahem), this comment will NOT be deleted by any administrator at MyLeftWing.

You have us confused with DailyKos–we don’t erase comments here.

Thanks for signing up with a new online name, though.

by: The BloggingCurmudgeon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:12:59 AM CDT
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ooops. somebody spoke too soon.


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