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Asia Times [Updated] 30 August 2007

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a military strike against Iran would truly be the end of this country. and the people who would make that decision know that they will be shielded from the consequences.

and really, the only way to cover-up the disaster of the Iraq war is to have a world war that makes Iraq a footnote.

Aug 30, 6:34 AM

As the four pieces I want to pop up with this morning are from Asia Times, seems a fair title.

SPEAKING FREELY
Armed and ready for Iran

By William Hawkins 

On July 29, just a few days before the US Congress went on its August recess, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns held a press briefing in Washington outlining how the George W Bush administration plans to arm Sunni states in the Middle East to contain Iranian expansion.

Taken in conjunction with the escalating charges from the White House that Iran is aiding the insurgency in Iraq, and the threat to brand the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps as a terrorist organization (a step up from listing Tehran as a state sponsor of terrorism), this new round of arms sales indicates a regional strategy that is looking beyond the fighting in Iraq to consider the entire region to be an interlinked theater of war.

The arms deal with Israel was signed in Jerusalem on August 16. At the signing, Burns put the aid to Israel in the context of the Iran-Syria axis and its support for Hezbollah and Hamas, all enemies of the Jewish state. But he then went on to say, “We have said to the congressional leadership that we intend to seek their support for increased military assistance to our friends in the Gulf: to Saudi Arabia and to Kuwait and to Bahrain and to Qatar, [to] the United Arab Emirates and to Oman. All of this together represents a signal from the United States that our country is strong in this region, that we intend to be a good friend to our allies and our partners in this region.”

This was an explicit setting of Israel and the Sunni Arabs together in a US-backed security alignment.

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Pepe Escobar has a piece up:

The hyperactive “Sarkozy the First” – as he is widely referred to in France – has just pronounced his first major foreign-policy speech, to an annual conference of 200-odd French ambassadors from posts around the world. He took no time to engage himself in the current White House and neo-conservative-promoted Iran-demonization campaign.

Neo-cons and their ilk in France, plus mostly sycophant media, obviously loved it, with instant geopoliticians raving about the “prudent” and “firm” stand behind Sarkozy’s rhetoric.

He said an Iranian nuclear bomb would be “unacceptable” – as if the United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was on the verge of discovering one or two hidden under a pile of exquisite Hamadan carpets.

Sarkozy is in favor of even more sanctions against Iran, but is willing to talk in the event the Islamic Republic suspends its nuclear-enrichment program, which Iran has a right under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to pursue. So Iran must renounce an inalienable right for the West to be willing to discuss substance.

Sarkozy has already coined the sound bite framing the “catastrophic” alternative: “The Iranian bomb, or the bombing of Iran.”

Sarkozy now officially joins the US thunder and lightning unleashed by the White House, the Pentagon, Republicans, Democrats and corporate media, which all take for granted the “all options are on the table” scenario as far as Iran is concerned.

That last is a nice, coherent, all-hands-are-on-deck-and-ready-to-go assessment.

It was Pepe Escobar who posted summer 2001 that someone must come deal with bin Laden, take the measure of what was coming into line, as something big was coming and soon it would be too late.  For several years post 9/11, ATimes kept links to his posts from that summer, on the front page.

For a long time after 9/11, I kept the August issue of NYRoB on the kitchen table.  Elizabeth Drew had a very good article on the objective of the Bush tax cuts, to kill what he could, bleed support for needed services (not exactly a new scheme).  I would look at the article dated August 9, and think the unavoidable:  he was fully in charge now.  No escape.

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Another report expands on both Sarko and the work the IAEA is doing with Iran.

The irony is that the subtle and not so subtle threats of military action against Iran may have the unintended consequence of reinforcing the very opposite of what Sarkozy and other Western leaders seek when they raise the specter of “bombing Iran”, ie, strengthening the hands of those in Iran who point at the “irrational” Westerners who can be held at bay only through deterrent bombs.

“If they take an irrational move, then Iran’s cooperation with the agency [IAEA] will be sterile,” Iran’s nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, has stated. Both Larijani and Ahmadinejad have said that Iran’s nuclear file should be “normalized”, since the lingering questions about Tehran’s nuclear activities are being “cleared up” and the IAEA has full-scope monitoring of Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Various IAEA officials, as well as a number of European diplomats, have told this author that the IAEA would be able to detect any military diversion, or for that matter any uranium enrichment above a low grade, as long as the Iran-IAEA safeguard agreement remains intact.

Yet Sarkozy acts according to his own articles of belief about Iran, irrespective of the empirical counter-facts mentioned above, his ears glued to the Iran nuclear-myth makers who have their own agenda, regardless of the facts. (See Debunking Iran’s nuclear myth makers, Asia Times Online, January 25.)

The article links to further reports:

Notes
1. Full text of Iran-IAEA understanding note of modalities, Iran Students News Agency, August 28, 2007.
2. See Afrasiabi and Mojtahedzadeh, Iran’s nuclear program: A crisis of choice, not necessity, International Herald Tribune, August 12, 2005.

A couple more pieces to add… but, for now, will leave with this lovely pic:

     Hillary - photo from NY Observer 

She is “our girl”… and they are running such lethal scams. 

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UPDATE, 9:51 am

The email rolled in from spiegel.de, covering an exhibition in NYC of some of the damage.

THE IRAQ WOUNDED

Images from the Dark Side of War

By Marc Pitzke in New York

A moving photo exhibition in New York shows what the media doesn’t — shocking photos of seriously wounded Iraq veterans. The images and the soldiers’ quotes which accompany them say more about the war than you might want to know. [snip]


              Nina Berman / Redux / laif / Jen Bekman Gallery

TY ZIEGEL AND RENEE KLINE

Seargant Ty Ziegel, 24, was wounded in December 2004 at al- Qaim, a checkpoint on the Iraq- Syria border. The truck he was riding in burst into flames after a suicide bomber blew himself up right next to it.

The heat melted the skin away from his head. He lost an eye, an arm, and three fingers on the other hand. For months he was in a coma, and after more than 50 operations, he received a plastic cap for his skull and his face was surgically reconstructed with holes for his missing ears and nose.

The photograph shows him on his wedding day with his bride Renée Kline, 21, who helped nurse him back to health. “I don’t remember saying it to Renée, but I’d have understood if she’d said, ‘Yeah, I’m out of here,'” Ty told the London Times.

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     Nina Berman / Redux / laif / Jen Bekman Gallery

LUIS CALDERON

Specialist Luis Calderon, 22, from the 4th Infantry Division, was wounded in May 2003 in Tikrit. He was in the process of tearing down a cement wall bearing a painted image of Saddam Hussein when a second wall above him collapsed. His neck was broken and he has been paralyzed from the neck down since then.

His entire family moved from Puerto Rico to Florida in order to care for him. He has not been awarded a Purple Heart — given to soldiers who are killed or wounded while fighting — because he was not injured in battle.

“From my neckline down, I cannot feel anything,” he says. “I didn’t get a Purple Heart. I feel like I deserve one. It would make me more confident that I really did something.”

Link to the Nina Berman photographs

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1. supervixen - 30 August 2007

provocative idea – bury the Iraq disaster in the rubble of a world war.

In the immortal words of Blutarsky – “Holy Shit!!”

2. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

The crawl on CNN this morning read that the IAEA says Iran is cooperating with inspections. Just a little 3 second blip that is barely noticed under the thunderous “bomb Iran” rhetoric. Iraq war redux.

I linked to this piece, ‘Defusing Nuclear Hysteria’, in the last thread because I think its logic is more than obvious.

As for Iran, what I’d like to see now is attention paid to the actual people who live there. Humanize the situation. Stop making it all about Ahmadinejad, as the neocons did with Saddam. Look at the suffering of the Iraqis now. We have to because they were just targets on the shock & awe map, foreigners who needed the US brand of “freedom” during the run up to the Iraq war. Then they became nameless, faceless “casualties for the cause”. What “cause”?

There’s life in Iran. The people are not their leader. Iran is a sovereign country. Their leader has very little power.

As for Israel, it’s long past time for that government to admit its nuclear capabilities in this ridiculous shell game of projection. Let’s not forget that when it comes to people who’ve actually threatened to wipe a country “off the map”, that dubious honour belongs to Shimon Peres, not Ahmadinejad whose words were conveniently mistranslated. So which country is the real nuclear threat in the region?

3. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Via Reuters:

Iran atom work at slow pace and not significant: IAEA

VIENNA (Reuters) – Iran’s uranium enrichment program is operating well below capacity and is far from producing nuclear fuel in significant amounts, according to a confidential U.N. nuclear watchdog report obtained by Reuters.

A senior Iranian nuclear official said the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA) report showed U.S. suspicions about Tehran’s nuclear intentions were baseless.

Officials familiar with the report said the IAEA could open future inquiries into Iran’s atomic activity if new suspicions arose, even after Tehran answers questions about the program under a transparency deal reached this month.

Western leaders suspect Iran wants to build atom bombs, not generate electricity, and were alarmed when Tehran said in April it had reached “industrial capacity” to enrich uranium.

But the IAEA report said Tehran remained far short of that threshold. Iran had just under 2,000 centrifuges divided into 12 cascades, or interlinked units, of 164 machines each refining uranium at its underground Natanz plant as of August 19, it said.

A 13th cascade was being run test-run empty, another was stationary undergoing tests under vacuum and two more cascades were being assembled, said the report, sent to the IAEA’s 35-nation board of governors and U.N. Security Council members.

“Iran made a fast start but then there was a leveling off,” said a senior U.N. official versed in the IAEA’s findings. “We don’t know the reasons, but the slow pace continues.”

The report’s detail on new Iranian cooperation with inspectors and Tehran’s lack of significant enrichment progress are likely to blunt Washington’s push for painful sanctions.

there’s more…

4. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

And the possible consequences of more sanctions, which may be just what the warmongers are hoping for:

A senior U.N. official familiar with IAEA-Iranian contacts said if Iran reneged or stalled, “it will come back and hit them in the face (politically).

“But if (tougher) sanctions come, our process will face a setback at a minimum, if not a halt,” he said, reflecting IAEA concerns that U.S.-led efforts to escalate penalties could only corner nationalistic Iran and goad it to freeze out inspectors.

5. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Brrreaking:

Dangerous Iraq chemicals found at U.N. 12:49 pm EDT

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – United Nations officials found vials of dangerous chemicals in a locked box in a U.N. building near the world body’s New York headquarters that inspectors had removed from Iraq a decade ago, but U.N. officials said on Thursday there was no danger.

They found the WMD!

6. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

4-it was the make-up bag of Miss Teen South Carolina.

Woke up this morning and there was an Iranian in my bed!

Tomorrow, I will clarify that it was actually a chihuahua.

7. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

Iran’s uranium enrichment program is operating well below capacity and is far from producing nuclear fuel in significant amounts, according to a confidential U.N. nuclear watchdog report obtained by Reuters.

8. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

catnip–only TU’s can have nukes.

9. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

lol Miss D! I think Miss SC is (obviously) a covert CIA operative.

10. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

And, if WMD in NYC isn’t troubling enough for you, check this out:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Some facilities that handle the U.S. nuclear weapons stockpile misplaced classified bomb components under their care, according to an Energy Department audit.

The department’s Inspector General also found there was confusion at the facilities over who was responsible for keeping track of weapons parts and recommended changes in how to better safeguard the parts.

John Broehm, a spokesman for the department’s National Nuclear Security Administration that oversees the U.S. nuclear weapons arsenal, said his agency disagreed with the recommendations.

He said the parts, which he declined to identify, were later found.

Now what kind of blithering idiot would reject recommendations to “better safeguard the parts”?

11. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

This is turning out to be a fun day and I haven’t even had my second cup of tea yet.

12. marisacat - 30 August 2007

My my.

CookieRunningSissorsBear appears. I rather think HRH has the ID nailed.

Well. Quelle bitch.

13. brinn - 30 August 2007

Hey catnip!

Here’s some more fun for ya!
Porn Bush

I wonder why the presidental library folks recisinded this artist’s commission twice?

14. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

13-czech out the ear on the left of the porn bush portrait. it’s incredible how subtle the imagery is at first glance.

15. JJB - 30 August 2007

Senator Larry (Wide Stance) Craig had better shut up and let his lawyer do the talking for him, according to this brief piece over at TPM, or maybe just make sure that neither nor anyone in his camp say anything further on the subject. It seems that by proclaiming his innocence and saying that he should not have entered a guilty plea, he runs the risk of having the plea vacated and the case re-opened. TPM includes a link to an LA Times story discussing potential consequences of this, and they aren’t good (I’m not registered there and don’t feel like doing it).

16. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

12–oh and czech out my “tip jar” for my 2006 Katrina anniversary diary:

“the “Never Again” (32+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
musing graze, RunawayRose, Ahianne, bumblebums, shermanesq, indybend, RabidNation, cookiebear, BarbinMD, fightorleave, gmb, GN1927, dkmich, vcmvo2, god less force, maybeeso in michigan, Gabriele Droz, daulton, wiscmass, LithiumCola, Alabama Bill, cowgirl, kraant, Yellow Canary, mooshter, kestrel9000, luckydog, Dreaming of Better Days, Friend of the court, Catrina, operculum, Buffy Orpington ”

should I start singing “The Way We Were?”

17. brinn - 30 August 2007

LOL! MissD — that is really precious.

I wonder what ever became of shermanesq — haven’t seen her ’round the blogs in a while.

18. marisacat - 30 August 2007

JJB

the Craig thing has been interesting to watch, for the reason you highlight. He appears to be out there. Not taking advice, at all.

His original guilty plea opened the flood gates at his local paper… Craig seems not to have known, or ignored what advice any lawyer would give him, what a guilty plea meant.

And now he wants the plea back.

Well whoops honey.

19. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

#5–breaking 1990’s news at CNN:

“U.N. archivists unexpectedly turned up samples of material from an Iraqi chemical weapons plant in weapons inspectors’ files dating back to the 1990s, but the substances remain sealed and posed no immediate danger, U.N. officials said today. developing story”

We should have gone to war with Iraq in the 90’s!

oh, wait, we did.

20. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 August 2007

I heard on the news yesterday that the Republicans want him gone because of his position on Immigration. He apparently favors amnesty and Repubs in his state completely oppose it. Made me like him a little better.

21. supervixen - 30 August 2007

Following up on MCat’s thread from yesterday (sorry, busy here, I’m way behind) – this is hilarious:

Doesn’t take much to be targeted, fabooj. (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:taylormattd, fabooj

Her minions definitely hate me and I found that some of them, who I actually liked and missed, detest me to the bone.

That’s so sad.
From what I’ve heard, all you need to do to end up on their list is to either have called one of them on his/her bad behavior here, or to have achieved prominence either here or elsewhere in the blogosphere (especially if you’re female), in which case you should probably consider such attention as a backhanded compliment.

I don’t know, because I don’t go over there, but I bet Jane Hamsher, Marcy Wheeler and Digby have made their list, too–it would fit the pattern.

Thing is, I can’t imagine spending my online time obsessively going over old ground again and again–you can only throw out so many insults at the same few people before you start repeating yourself. Most real writers (and readers) would get bored fairly quickly, I should think.

Too bad they can’t just let it go and move on. You’re right–it’s sad. But I wouldn’t waste time worrying about it.

Besides, everyone here knows how fabulous you really are!

by Sharoney on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 12:16:08 AM PDT

I noticed the female thing (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:taylormattd

But I’m like a total nobody here, so it was somewhat startling to find that I’m disliked because I post here and I’m a girl. Out of off the really mean stuff I write online, this is one of the the only places that I’m generally “well behaved”, mainly because most people here aren’t your run of the mill idiot.

by fabooj on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 07:05:32 AM PDT

1. WTF is fabooj talking about? did I miss something? I, for one, have never had a problem with fabooj and as far as I know have had nothing but pleasant interactions with her. However I must say I’m not wild about the fact that she appears to be a DKos loyalist, attending the frat parties etc.

2. Sharoney: Thing is, I can’t imagine spending my online time obsessively going over old ground again and again–you can only throw out so many insults at the same few people before you start repeating yourself. Most real writers (and readers) would get bored fairly quickly That’s pretty damn funny, seeing as how Sharoney (and those like her) can’t stop talking about US.

3. Yes, I do in fact hold Dem/progressive women to a higher standard than others when we’re talking about feminist issues. Note that I never go off on Coulter/Malkin et al. Waste of time. The people who draw my ire are the women who are supposed to be supporting feminism and yet are instead supporting the same old bullshit patriarchy status quo, for whatever fucked-up reasons of their own – they want to get ahead in “politics”, they want attention from the Big Boyz, they are really Republicans under the surface, take your pick. But I’ve never had a problem with fabooj in that regard. In fact I gathered from a few of her remarks that she, too, worried about DKos being another bastion of “progressivism” that in reality shut out the voices of women and minorities.

I could be wrong, though.

22. ms_xeno - 30 August 2007

…Tomorrow, I will clarify that it was actually a chihuahua…

…with its mind set on freedom ? Or at least a nice bowl of homemade beef broth ? (Halal, of course.)

23. ms_xeno - 30 August 2007

fabooj:

…mainly because most people here aren’t your run of the mill idiot…

Don’t flatter yourselves, Sweetiekins. Even smart people over there end up sounding like idiots up to their neck in Dem-Or-Die propaganda eventually. It’s in the air, like poison gas. Kos is hardly unique amongst BBB’s for that, but it is the biggest of the big. Thus, the easiest target.

Ho hum.

24. Marie - 30 August 2007

This
The irony is that the subtle and not so subtle threats of military action against Iran may have the unintended consequence of reinforcing the very opposite of what Sarkozy and other Western leaders seek when they raise the specter of “bombing Iran”, ie, strengthening the hands of those in Iran who point at the “irrational” Westerners who can be held at bay only through deterrent bombs.

is so patently obvious, that I can’t wrap my brain around why anyone would “think” otherwise.

Thinking this whole thing through again, we see the same pattern as before. 1) demonize Iraq (Iran) 2) demand/threaten what Iraq (Iran) can’t do for domestic or regional political reasons 3) make secret war plans 4) get the GOP talking heads out there beating the drums for war 5) get a EU poodle 6) find DEM dupes in Congress to repeat all or some of the false claims 7) ignore IAEA 8) bomb Iraq (Iran)

But there are a few things missing. With all that and GWB’s high approval rating, at least half the country was’t sold. It was only with UN authorization that that number climbed to 56%. Powell and a UN authrization was good enough for them — and as Bu$hCo was able to count on, those people didn’t look at the finer details, like there was no UN authorization to bomb Iraq. After all the years of sanctions against Iraq, Russia and China didn’t have much at stake in the conflict. Second point, and I don’t think it’s insignificant, many of Poppy’s friends were out there suggesting that it might not be a good idea and only later on the eve of the bombing were on board.

Cheney thinks they can accomplish the same thing with only 35-40% approval from the public. That might be a tough number to reach. MIght be good enough to get Congress to roll over again. But Sarkozy is hardly as good a poodle for American consumption as Bliar was. Suppose “cheese eating surrender monkeys” has gone down the memory hole for rightwingers but they support any war at any time anyway. So, I still come back to my current assesment that absent an irrefutable first strike by Iran, Bush/Cheney cannot accomplish their goal without destroying themselves — it’s somewhere between their assault on SSI and Iraq right now, and I see little to suggest that this is going to move in their direction and much to suggest that it will go the other way. Of course this all depends on others around those two not being as suicidal as Bush/Cheney. So, I continue to observe and look for shifts in all those variables. (Two months ago, I was less sanguine, and sensed that August was an opportunity for them to pull the trigger, but something held them back. What? Have no idea.)

25. marisacat - 30 August 2007

undercard fight.

hmm Best of Luck. WIndsock in one corner and starkravinglunaticLillianFriedbergHolierthanthoufucktard (and a few other self-chosen names) in the other.

I say issue them both weapons.

26. JJB - 30 August 2007

The only fitting “Katrina 2 Years Later” piece for dKos to put up would be to front page Armando’s “New Orleans Has Been Spared The Worst” diary which was deleted only a few months ago, amazingly enough. El Caudillo, who must have been on one of his no sleep/booze/god only knows what else binges at the time, starting spewing the usual Anglo-Saxon laced comments at anyone who took issue with his pronouncement that NO wasn’t going to suffer much from Katrina, even as the levees gave way and the city started to flood. It was a classic. I’m sure there’s some cached version of it that could be put up.

27. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 August 2007

SV, I don’t know what Fabooj is talking about either – if anything like that is here, it should be easy to produce. As for Sharoney, well she projects a lot from what I can see. Airc, she was delighted to support Luscious Vagina’s anti-woman screed. Don’t know much else about her other than I think it was she who had those ‘great google skills’ but I could be wrong, they all sound the same to me after a while. As for the envy part – as I said, projection. Not sure what she means, not much to envy about a bunch cowardly bullies, male or female.

Frankly there is less and less of interest over there to criticize, even for fun! The most interesting have already gone. It’s just boring there now, standard bullying and message control by a bunch of mediocre political thugs.

Oh, and in case that is mis-interpreted, that doesn’t include Fabooj, never saw her joining the ever increasingly reviled troll patrol.

28. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

SB — in my archives I have her hanging with elise, clonecone, taylormatt and gold1. Maybe she didnt have much choice of who to hang with at YK and those were the most familar crackers she could find.

29. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Great pr0n pic of Bush! Very creative.

Of course this all depends on others around those two not being as suicidal as Bush/Cheney.

I’m pretty sure they are. Like I’ve said before, partisanship kills brain cells and the GOP keeps proving that over and over again. They know they can count on the blue dogs as well – Bush’s little lapdog Democrats.

30. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

I can’t remember anyone talking about fabooj here. and I have always liked her, but have been banned at the 2 places she posts. she’s a huge fan of Goran Bregovic.

25–it’s lillian? I almost forgot about her (which means I am stalking her, obviously)

31. marisacat - 30 August 2007

btw, lucid has posted an AIDS/issue diary over at PFF.

Just wanted a link to it here at Mcat (I assume he will do more).

32. marisacat - 30 August 2007

well let me add a tidbit to the fabooj taylormattd whatever…

Sharoney is the most likely suspect for “Outing Marisacat / Chihuahua brigades” or whatever the modifier on the dog pack was. (still linked in my blogroll)

She had posted in the big cuntwhorebitch Del Dem thread that she had worked as a reporter and felt sure her superior abilities would result in some gainful googling about me.

LOL. So she turned up 10 year old virtual candles I lit in am online chapel for a church dedicated to St Michael in Paris.

And fortunately a friend googling online for Koswhack antics found it almost immediately.

33. ms_xeno - 30 August 2007

…Cheney thinks they can accomplish the same thing with only 35-40% approval from the public…

Perhaps they can. The question is not only “Will anyone at home resist ?” It’s also “Will there be a mass reaction from LE if/when people at home resist ?”

The other day, masochist that I am, I was skimming Pandagon again. Some twittering peabrain whined that nobody should vote for Kucinich because he’d “dismantle the military and then terrorists would steal stuff from our basements,” or some vacuous drivel like that. These people astound me. I don’t even know whether Kucinich actually said that or if this woman pulled it from her hat. However, it’s awfully cute that it never occurred to her that soldiers can be authorized readily to fire on their own citizens.

Buffoons. This country is so finished. It’s dead and doesn’t know enough to just lie down. :(

34. ms_xeno - 30 August 2007

Yeah, that’s right, Mcat. We were all supposed to hate you forever over the candle thing. Sorry I forgot. Busy schedule and all that. :D

35. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 August 2007

Yes, you’re right re Sharoney, Marisacat, she’s the most likely suspect although airc, she denied it somewhere. Lol, never did get what we were supposed to conclude from the big ‘scandal’ they uncovered!

Rev, hanging with such people can get you a bad rep I suppose, but what I meant was I never saw her vindictively and obsessively going after people as they do.

36. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

WIndsock in one corner and starkravinglunaticLillianFriedbergHolierthanthoufucktard (and a few other self-chosen names) in the other.

I’d stayed out of that diary – drama overload – but I decided to sprinkle a few things there that I needed to get off of my chest about MSOC and her continual fainting spells.

37. JJB - 30 August 2007

Marie,

I just saw this link over at Juan Cole’s site, are you referencing this by any chance:

Today I received a message from a friend who has excellent connections in Washington and whose information has often been prescient. According to this report, as in 2002, the rollout will start after Labor Day, with a big kickoff on September 11. My friend had spoken to someone in one of the leading neo-conservative institutions. He summarized what he was told this way:

They [the source’s institution] have “instructions” (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don’t think they’ll ever get majority support for this–they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is “plenty.”

Of course I cannot verify this report. But besides all the other pieces of information about this circulating, I heard last week from a former U.S. government contractor. According to this friend, someone in the Department of Defense called, asking for cost estimates for a model for reconstruction in Asia. The former contractor finally concluded that the model was intended for Iran. This anecdote is also inconclusive, but it is consistent with the depth of planning that went into the reconstruction effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I hesitated before posting this. I don’t want to spread alarmist rumors. I don’t want to lessen the pressure on the Ahmadinejad government in Tehran. But there are too many signs of another irresponsible military adventure from the Cheney-Bush administration for me just to dismiss these reports. I am putting them into the public sphere in the hope of helping to mobilize opposition to a policy that would further doom the efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq and burden our country and the people of the Middle East with yet another unstoppable fountain of bloodshed.

They always have like to roll out their new campaigns after Labor Day. Whatever they have in mind for this autumn looks likes it’s ready for launch.

38. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Sharoney is the most likely suspect for “Outing Marisacat / Chihuahua brigades” or whatever the modifier on the dog pack was

Well, whoever runs that blog needs to post some new stuff, afaic. Slacker.

39. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

lol…did the blogosphere just explode? Several of us BBB rejects are now FPed at pff. All hail the litterbox!

40. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

If someone can spaek their lanquage can you translate this for me

http://www.thestreet.com/_email/newsanalysis/optionsfutures/10377063.html

Its regarding those stcok options predicting a major crash. I read parapgrahs over and over but it just sounds like jibberish to me. worse than talking to marketing wonks

41. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

hmm…

Scores of Pakistani soldiers are missing near the Afghanistan border amid claims from pro-Taleban militants that they have captured 300 men.

More than 100 army personnel are unaccounted for, according to officials in the South Waziristan region.

A Muslim militant group said it had taken the troops because the government was not honouring a recent peace deal.

I have a feeling Bush and Gates will probably decided to bomb the hell out of that region pretty soon – civilians be damned.

42. JJB - 30 August 2007

The penultimate paragraph in my last post should also be italicized, it’s not mine.

43. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

catnip, it’s the Big Crunch. The universe has reversed expansion and is now contracting back to the original pinprick size.

44. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 August 2007

lol…did the blogosphere just explode? Several of us BBB rejects are now FPed at pff. All hail the litterbox! Catnip

Lol, and Cookie Cutter/PaintyKitty or whoever the ‘cat’ spy is , has already registered their extreme fear and jealousy! Lol!

*******

Okay, so they know the neocons are again planing destruction on an innocent country. I don’t doubt it at all. Have they already given Bush the go ahead with the War Resolution re Iran they couldn’t wait to sign? Or does he have to go to Congress first? I mean he’s bombing stuff in Africa, who gave him permission to do that? I don’t recall any hearings or even anything on the news about it.

45. Marie - 30 August 2007

JJB #37 , yeah, saw that and have tucked it away into the memory bank. Very disturbing, but where the hell are they going to get the money from? Suspect a lot of those contractors are beginning to get the idea that the gravy train is almost empty.

Revisionist – #40 – not difficult to understand – puts and calls have been around a long time. Mostly pure gambling that the market will either go up or down. Know of one poor guy, a Christian Armageddon type person, that had a decent small, profitable business that kept using his profits to bank on the end of the world (stock mkt decline). Couldn’t quite grasp how he was going to reap those profits when we were all gone, but logic isn’t a hallmark of gambling.

The Sept increase doesn’t look to be huge. Then again, how many people would really know enough about a planned large strike in the US to capitalize on it through the markets? Chertie’s gut may have been enough for some of those gamblers. Many of whom probably still get a bit nervous as Sept rolls around. Don’t know about others, but if I’d pulled off a hit like 9/11, sure wouldn’t be planning another one around the 9/11 anniversay. Surprise is one of the most robust variables a terrorists can employ. Then again, OBL et.al aren’t all that bright — they like things that go “boom” when there are many more ways to inflict more damage with no more effort. 9/11 was a “one off” – can’t be repeated which probably pisses off a lot of people.

46. marisacat - 30 August 2007

MORE under card fight

Think I agree with donkeytale, peeder should FP. So funny. He got what he wanted, without having to bear up under a parthership with “BlogMommy” (sorry, she used it herself, I’d never go there, actually, had she not).

And don’t miss brinn with the only valuable advice for Windsock. (Pull yourself back from the netteries, esp if you have a divorce looming.)

There are some pretty good insults rat a tat tat.

47. marisacat - 30 August 2007

hmmm parthership should be

partnership.

48. JJB - 30 August 2007

Very interesting piece over at Counterpunch regarding Senator Wide Stance and the sort of people who live apparently straight lives, only to go gay all of a sudden when they walk into a public toilet. First, note a pair of names of prominent closeted GOP Senators that may be about to be announced:

It looks like two more conservative “family values” Republican senators may be “outed” soon, by Mike Rogers, the same blogger who originally fingered Craig. The gay activist claims that South Carolina Sen. Lindsay Graham is gay. More interestingly, he claims that, “Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s quick expulsion from the Army—for fondling a private’s privates—is finally being discussed in Kentucky.” He notes that McConnell, discharged after just 10 days in the Army in 1967, “has consistently prevented anyone from seeing his military discharge papers” but a Freedom of Information suit may bring them to light.

[long snip]

The point of the police action in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport last June, which resulted in Craig’s arrest, was to discourage men with Craig’s particular fetish by arresting a bunch of them. Every so often police departments, responding to complaints from public restroom patrons, undertake these clean-up missions. One Canadian study (published in the Canadian Journal of Criminology and Criminal Justice) indicates that in one day in one restroom around 1990, police charged 17 men. The owner of a facility in another case requested police action, and in one day 30 men were warned. These figures suggest that that the facilities that had come to serve as reliable centers for sexual contact and were visited largely for that purpose. This appears to be a widespread phenomenon.

Yes, I confess I’ve done some research on this issue over the last 36 hours. As an historian of sexuality, among other things, I tend to approach these issues in a dispassionate, academic fashion. So I checked out Laud Humphreys’ Tearoom Trade: Impersonal Sex in Public Places, written under the direction of Harvard sociologist Lee Rainwater, published in 1970 and recipient of the C. Wright Mills Award of the Society for the Study of Social Problems. “Tearoom trade” refers to homosexual activity (almost always oral) in public men’s rooms, and Humphreys examines it in clinical detail. His most interesting finding was that over half of the men involved in this activity were married (to women) and carefully separated their private and social selves, donning “the breastplate of righteousness” in public as conservative “moral crusaders” (p. 131f). They expressed no anti-police sentiment, but encouraged more vice squad activity, suggesting that “deviant behavior may be plagued by a sort of moral arms race, in which the deviant is caught in the cycle of establishing new strategic defenses to protect himself from the fallout of his own defensive weapons. It is not necessary to adapt a psychoanalytic viewpoint in order to discern the self-hatred behind such a punishment process” (p. 141). This is not to say that their private, men’s room self is at war with their social, official self; it can be flushed away and forgotten as they leave their stalls. But the latter self that takes over at that point wants to appear cleaner than the norm and to sneer with particular distain at all moral defilement.

That seems consistent with Craig’s screaming “I’m not gay and I’m not guilty and shouldn’t have pleaded the way I did.” It also seems to this decided non-expert that Craig is a very high-risk for suicide at this point. I hope that thought has occurred to those near and dear to him, and they are taking steps to see that this doesn’t end with him trying to kill himself.

49. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Well, it took kos long enough to FP this “news”:

In case you are wondering why you have been logged out so much lately, it’s because a hacker stole a bunch of cookies allowing him or herself the ability to log in as other users. We flushed out those compromised cookies by forcing everyone to log back in again.

It’s a sad reality of running a popular site that script kiddies think it’s fun to mess with us.

Meanwhile, he’s panhandling for donations to pay his “fellows”. What? He doesn’t make enough money from his Chevron ads? Poor kos and his merry band of fellows. Maybe Halliburton would be willing to advertize there too to make up for the shortfall.

50. marisacat - 30 August 2007

Bush wants to use a nuke. That was clear years ago, I posted about in comments at Dkos.

Frankly I thought the Columbia was entirely a mil mission (not breaking news), esp with Ilan, the Great Hero of Israel on board. With his very particular pilots eyes abooad, supposedly running observation of “dust patterns” over the ME.

Til it blew to smithereens, slightly over CA but really over Palestine TX. Children found a near whole leg in their back yard…

51. marisacat - 30 August 2007

well I do wonder about Craig being soft on immigration as well a bit teetery on the war.

McConnel is not teetery, nor Lindsay nor, let’s throw him in the mix, Hatch.

All night blooming flowers…

52. marisacat - 30 August 2007

ugh I am not in favor of arresting (and certainly not stings which keep the vice squad alive), but I can offer an additional reason for trying to cut down on sexual traffic, solicitation in public places.

It was a merry go round at the Embarcadero Center in sf, keeping up with the men’s rooms.

We finally h ad to lock and issue keys to the entire third floor in our tower (we had the majority of the floof but not all suites)… when the Center would close the publc men’s rooms (to clean them) on the shopping and mezz levels, the problem would move upstairs. Ot the low floors.

It gets to be time consuming and a lot of work for the janitorial staff.

53. Marie - 30 August 2007

Well, if McConnell didn’t look and sound so gay to me, I would dismiss the ’67 behavior that got him booted from the Army — bet a lot of other guys wished they too had done that, but then again and back then, it was really difficult for straight guys to consider doing something like that. (Knew one guy that spent a year with a shring detailing his homosexuality which finally got him a 4-F classification. Not sure if the shrink was merely gullible or in on the ruse.)

And does anyone, even the fundies in SC, believe that Lindsay is straight? Rightwingers always willing allow a certain number from a revised group into their ranks and rationalize it that he’s not like the others — a good “Negro” — like Clarence.

54. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Holy crap. That kos panhandling thread is like a Ron Popeil infomercial. Did you know if you buy a subscription for the low low price of $100, kos will also slice and dice your potatoes while grilling a whole chicken in only 5 minutes? Act now and you’ll also receive a Troll Remover™ – kind of like a lint remover except that it allows you to remove actual people instead of just cat hair.

55. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Very interesting piece over at Counterpunch regarding Senator Wide Stance and the sort of people who live apparently straight lives, only to go gay all of a sudden when they walk into a public toilet.

Don’t you hate it when that happens?? Sheesh.

56. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

I’d also like to say that there’s nothing shameful about virtual candles. Obviously that’s a given but I wanted to be on the record.

57. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

I nominate this comment (by me) as my favourite comment of the day so far.

58. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

#56. Who said there was something shameful about virtual candles? After 9/11 – apropos. Following MSOC’s latest crisis of the week? Not so much.

59. D. Throat - 30 August 2007

No Kos is panhandling because Hunter told everyone to use Firefox’s “No Script”to avoid viruses…. but it also blocks out Blogads…

60. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Justice Dept. Investigating Gonzales’s Testimony

The Justice Department is investigating whether departing Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales gave false or misleading testimony to Congress on a broad range of issues, including the Bush administration’s warrantless surveillance program and the removal of nine U.S. attorneys last year, the lead investigator said today.

The disclosure by Inspector General Glenn A. Fine shows that internal investigations that began with the prosecutor firings have widened substantially to include a focus on Gonzales’s actions and statements.

I wonder how far that will go or will the Dems just be satisfied with his resignation?

61. D. Throat - 30 August 2007

Wow.!!!! Pff is by far more active than Open Left, MyDD, MLW and BMT put together… that is saying something since it was just whipped together.

“Free Speech” vs “Canned Dem Establishment Pablum”… which would you rather have

62. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

Interesting. Tom DeLay on Hardballs is saying that Newt Gingrich “chewed him out” for suggesting impeachment because Newt was afraid his extramarital affair would come out.

It makes you wonder what they have on Pelosi and Conyers.

63. marisacat - 30 August 2007

HC

well considering how very long DC/the nation (not like it did not penetrate to the state level) ran on the blackmail system.. (Hoover and Clyde Tolson) makes sense it would still be going strong.

They are all so vulnerable.

64. cad - 30 August 2007

has pelosi uttered one word or press release on gonzo? i should look harder, but like kos, i’m too lazy to look it up.

as per cruising, i have been groped twice in public areas by men assuming i was there to cruise. i did not resort to violence.

fyi, the third floor of the english dept at uc berkeley was clearly a cruising zone when i was there in the 90’s. you’d walk into the bathroom and people would quickly scatter throughout. the glory holes were a tip off too. i just stayed away.

65. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

catnip at 58- the virtual candle thing was from what MCat cited on her “outing” page. To me it reads like someone was trying to mock her grief. Not cool.

66. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

Hmm. Listening to that tape, I’m not entirely clear Larry Craig is guilty of anything. That’s what this is all about? His foot bumped an uncover cop’s in the next stall?

Can we PLEASE put Henry Kissinger through this kind of humiliation for, I don’t know, setting up East Timor for genocide, destroying democracy in Chile, killing tens of thousands of people in Vietnam?

Or would that be un American?

67. marisacat - 30 August 2007

HC

think with Craig the problem is [nearly] 40 years of innuendo. Men who would not go on the record with their name, but alleged propositioning.. One who did.

But then oops he plead guilty.

I do think this is complicated by his “soft” stances on immigration and, iirc, the war as well

Not saying trapped people don’t do that (take a plea)… and not saying innuendo is the greatest thing since sliced bread.. but he is all over the place on this.

68. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

But then oops he plead guilty

Of course it’s possible he could be gay and in that one instance his foot legitimately slipped and, oops. hit an undercover cop’s foot.

But he felt so guilty and so threatened and so closeted he allowed himself to be intimidated into pleading guilty.

Something’s weird about this though. Even if he is guilty this is a nothing crime. Hell, I’d cover up for somebody who didn’t do anything more than hitting on someone in a bathroom. Of course I’d probably send him to a therapist, but fire him, not really. Why are the Republicans ditching him for something this trivial.

BTW, that sounds like a really unglamerous assignment for an undercover cop.

69. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

This is very different from Mark Foley. Craig isn’t preying on subordinates and underaged boys.

70. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

catnip at 58- the virtual candle thing was from what MCat cited on her “outing” page. To me it reads like someone was trying to mock her grief. Not cool.

No – absolutely not. I thought you were talking about the lighting a virtual candle for MSOC’s faux crises. So many MSOC enablers who just don’t get how manipulated they are.

71. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

Does it matter if I’m an enabler and I do know how much I’m manipulated? I’m like the relapse guy for that kind of thing. ;-)

72. marisacat - 30 August 2007

well as I said, I am not in favor of stings nor arrests. And it is complicated with his inconvenient stances for the R party, from a safe R seat.

On the other hand, the first thing he needed was a good lawyer to negotiate for him. Or a fixer to make it go away. Seems he avoided both, or no one would assist properly (or improperly)

Again he appears all over the place on this.

73. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

But he felt so guilty and so threatened and so closeted he allowed himself to be intimidated into pleading guilty.

I believe it was Toobin on CNN who pointed out that Craig signed the form which indicated clearly it should NOT be signed if the person was innocent a couple of months (?) after the incident happened. He had a long time to think about it, apparently, and if he had felt he was entrapped, he could have made his case.

74. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

:Again he appears all over the place on this.

Maybe he wanted to get caught so he could come out.

He should resign, go into therapy, and hook up with Jim McGreevy. They could form the “ex closeted ex poltiician support group”.

I have to say I feel sorry for him. I’m sure he’s an evil puritanical bastard who would gladly bring back sodomy laws and outlaw abortion.

But comeon, he’s a beaten man. Nobody will ever take him seriously again. This is just turning into sadism.

75. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

#71. That’s your choice, kd, but the thing enablers need to remember is that what they are doing is causing damage to the person they claim to care about. And, sooner or later, an enabler ends up getting stung as well. Not a healthy situation.

76. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

But comeon, he’s a beaten man. Nobody will ever take him seriously again. This is just turning into sadism.

So we’re not supposed to talk about it as more news comes out?

77. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

So we’re not supposed to talk about it as more news comes out?

Sure. But I’d rather be talking about Iraq, about the Patriot Act, about the coming invasion of Iran.

I’m not sure who’s pushing this. It could be the Democrats or it could be the Republicans.

But if it’s the Democrats, it sounds like the easy way out of talking about the issues. If you can win in 2008 on stuff like this (a la Mark Foley) then you can stay on the right and never have to come clean.

78. aemd - 30 August 2007

Revisionist and Marie, here’s some info on the S&P options CT. Looks like it was a loan (box spread trade).

http://adamsoptions.blogspot.com/2007/08/and-another-explanation-actual-one.html

79. marisacat - 30 August 2007

honestly I put my time in feeling sorry for whole other sets of people.

He and his party appear to be seriously on the outs. He is used up. But he will get his pension and perks and medical care.

He needed to deal with it straighforwardly when it happened. Whatever happened. His own statements (which had come out some weeks ago) at the time are damning.

Instead, he cops a plea that he now wants to nullify. Think he is in his 4th term as an elected senator. Fully functioning adult.

I just don’t feel for him other than in some very distant way.

80. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

Agreed. He should resign and devote his life to raising money for wounded soldiers or something.

In fact, the entire Senate (except for maybe one or two of them) should resign and devote their lives to raising money for wounded soldiers.

Every damned one of them.

81. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

A children’s exercise class has been banned from two church halls because it is teaching yoga. The group has been turned away by vicars who described yoga as a sham and unChristian.
UK News from Times Online

82. marisacat - 30 August 2007

Well I think the democrats did push Foley last year, in order help get them over the hump.

Nor was the reality of Foley ever dealt iwth (the hypcrisy of working on legislation that came close to being related to what he did).

Well I am not voting for them. Why would they come clean?

There is no base forcing it. A few million really upset people. Not enough.

hell they only won Foley’s seat by a couple points and with Foley’s name on the ballot.

83. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

I’m not sure who’s pushing this. It could be the Democrats or it could be the Republicans.

The reason I’m talking about it today is because the audiotape just came out. It’s a continuing news story. And you can choose not to talk about it – I’m just sayin’. ;)

84. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

The reason I’m talking about it today is because the audiotape just came out.

That’s what’s caused the sudden surge of pity. I’m just hearing a sad old man who could easily be my grandfather.

85. marisacat - 30 August 2007

But I’d rather be talking about Iraq, about the Patriot Act, about the coming invasion of Iran. HC

well two out of three are in this thread. Along with other thngs as well…

86. marisacat - 30 August 2007

Honestly the seat is safe enough and the R pundit class was out immediately (as of now, not in May or June) calling for resignation…

so this one seems the R are pushing

87. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

well two out of three are in this thread. Along with other thngs as well…

True but when was the last time an American politicians was publically humiliated for mass murder?

Most Americans haven’t even heard of East Timor but if Kissinger and Moynahan were outed for how they enabled the deaths of 200,000 innocent people most Americans would just identify with power and saying something like “well a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do”.

88. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

That’s what’s caused the sudden surge of pity. I’m just hearing a sad old man who could easily be my grandfather.

I’m not. I’m hearing a guy who should have been smart enough to realize he needed a lawyer. He waived his rights. It was over. Fini. Anything following what he did choose to do (ie. the plea) is something he has to deal with the consequences of.

89. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

True but when was the last time an American politicians was publically humiliated for mass murder?

Do you have an effective way of making that happen? I have yet to see one.

90. ms_xeno - 30 August 2007

At this point, color me indifferent. I wouldn’t be a bit surpised if half the Dems were in the closet, too.

I’m sick and tired of these idiots (gay or straight) and their “values” crusades– telling everyone beneath themselves on the food chain how to live when they are so damn far from having their own shit together.

Sort of like how our foreign policy is supposed to be diversionary therapy from our domestic policy, come to think of it…

91. marisacat - 30 August 2007

well we live in a shame and blame game for the salacious stuff. As long as it motivates politcs… people will comment.

Id be fine iwth the country (this one) under sanctions and a global divestiture campaign.

Instead righties are getting in to power all over. McCain is very happy with Merkel and Sarko. So is Hillary. And Bill.

We are very very stuck. And America keeps her partners, the only ones she needs (AUS, UK and Canada plus the protectorates, vassals and client states). Media is complicit.

the ME, what i notice, has shoved E timor and the tigers and all sorts of global insurrection to the very back pages. America likes that.

92. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

so this one seems the R are pushing

I think they want this chapter closed long before Election ’08. This needs to be history quick.

93. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

Do you have an effective way of making that happen?

I certainly didn’t feel sorry for Pinochet when he was detained in London. Hmm. How to make big time American war criminals pay the price the way war criminals from other countries (Saddam, Milosovic, Pinochet sort of) do.

Maybe some kind of mass movement for “citizen’s arrests”.

Instead of hoping to flood enough people into Washington to shut down the whole city, why not just get 10,000 people and surround Rumsfeld’s house and “detain” him for the Germans or Italians?

94. Marie - 30 August 2007

HC #74 hook up with Jim McGreevy.

Come on, McGreevy was okay except for installing his boyfriend in a job he wasn’t qualified for (obviously didn’t vet the b/f well enough to know that he wasn’t a blackmailer or learned from those who appoint g/f and b/f to positions that are never subjet to public scrutiny for competency) and possibly deceiving a woman who did not willngly marry a gay man.

Personally I dislike taking down someone like Craig in this way but he has not earned the right to cry “foul.” No straight man, particularly one with power and access to expensive defense attorneys is going to cop a guilty plea in such a situation. One of his original statements to the cop was so arrogant that it suggested to me that he truly thought he was above the law. It’s common for gay men to finder it harder and harder to remain deeply closeted as they age. Don’t know why that is because sexual drives wane with age and inhibitions increase. Everyone is entitled to his/her privacy as long as they aren’t harming others who are doing nothing more than being honest about who they are. Agree, he’s toast and we should move on to more important things, but it’s a slow news day.

95. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

catnip at 75- I hadn’t thought of it like that before. Thanks.

96. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

why not just get 10,000 people and surround Rumsfeld’s house and “detain” him for the Germans or Italians?

Two words: martial law

97. Marie - 30 August 2007

HC #74 hook up with Jim McGreevy.

Come on, McGreevy was okay except for installing his boyfriend in a job he wasn’t qualified for (obviously didn’t vet the b/f well enough to know that he wasn’t a blackmailer or learned from those who appoint g/f and b/f to positions that are never subjet to public scrutiny for competency) and possibly deceiving a woman who did not willngly marry a gay man.

Personally I dislike taking down someone like Craig in this way but he has not earned the right to cry “foul.” No straight man, particularly one with power and access to expensive defense attorneys is going to cop a guilty plea in such a situation. One of his original statements to the cop was so arrogant that it suggested to me that he truly thought he was above the law. It’s common for gay men to finder it harder and harder to remain deeply closeted as they age. Don’t know why that is because sexual drives wane with age and inhibitions increase. Everyone is entitled to his/her privacy as long as they aren’t harming others who are doing nothing more than being honest about who they are. Agree, he’s toast and we should move on to more important things, but it’s a slow news day.

98. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

McGreevy was okay except for installing his boyfriend in a job he wasn’t qualified for (obviously didn’t vet the b/f well enough to know that he wasn’t a blackmailer or learned from those who appoint g/f and b/f to positions that are never subjet to public scrutiny for competency)

Interestingly enough the FBI never got a chance to interview Golan Cipel, even though he tried to blackmail the governer of New Jersey for millions of dollars.

He just went back to Israel and they made no attempt to extradite him.

99. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Don’t know why that is because sexual drives wane with age and inhibitions increase.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true, especially in middle-age crisis mode. I think if you’ve lived your life repressed and suddenly awaken to the fact of your own coming mortality, you might just go ahead and loosen your inhibitions to fulfill those long-held desires.

/projection ;)

100. mattes - 30 August 2007

Israel….blackmail, who’d have thought?

101. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

And btw, Study: Seniors having more sex than you think. They may be old but they’re not quite dead yet.

102. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

A job that involved national security IIRC. If Ciprol wasnt blackmailing McSleezy he would still be in the closet.

103. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 August 2007

The Repubs are pushing for Craig to resign. I’ve been listening to Rightwing Radio on and off, and they want him to go. I can’t find it right now, but I did read that Repubs in his state are all for deportation of undocumented aliens, and he is for amnesty almost alone in that, as Marisa indicated. So, that may be part of it. From what I am hearing on RW radio, Dems don’t have to do much, I think he’ll be gone, and they Repubs probably have someone ready to take his place.

On the personal side, he seems to be in deep denial. His voting record shows he has voted anti-gay rights all along. He may have convinced himself he’s not gay, who knows. And I don’t see the ‘crime’ here. People get propositioned all the time, if they are turned down, and go away, no harm done. It’s not pleasant, but a crime? I haven’t read that he forced himself on the cop so this whole thing is just ridiculous and shows what a backward society we are.

Regardless of all this, it should not interfere with Dems taking a stand against another war. After all the rest of us can work, play etc. despite this latest distraction. If they are not standing up, it’s not because of Craig, it’s because they do not want to.

104. marisacat - 30 August 2007

oh I still think McGreevy was the target of an Israeli sting. And dumb enough to full into the honey pot. “I am a Gay American” just stole the spot light.

I am not a fan of either Mr or Mrs, but some things she has said (far wide of drppping a dime on an intell sting of course) ring tru.

Best of luck to them all. LOL as McGreevey moves to be an Episcopalian priest…

105. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

And I don’t see the ‘crime’ here.

As Toobin said, that doesn’t even matter any more because he pled guilty. He won’t get a mulligan. Case closed. (And I don’t see the crime here either unless it’s the “peeping” aspect. Even then, you’d think he would have had a clue to fight that weak charge.) Oh well.

106. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

She talked about a woman whose daughter had to stay in college while she was dying of cancer, in order to keep her health insurance. She talked about a family being evicted from their home amidst the mortgage crisis. And about sick children she met at Dartmouth’s medical center who might benefit from stem cell research.

god I am so sickof pols doing this. Talking about Betsy Sue they met in Tempe. That was all Bill ever did was tell these stories. Thats all Hill does. We know what the problems are hon. Stop explaining them to us and trying to get contact sympthay and explain exactly what you are going to do about it.

I bet that is some marketing plan designed to appeal to woman’s emotions.

I dont want to hear anymore about who these candidates meet. I meet a lot of fucking needy people on the bus. I dont have to a tour or town hall meeting.

107. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

oh I still think McGreevy was the target of an Israeli sting. And dumb enough to full into the honey pot. “I am a Gay American” just stole the spot light.

It makes you wonder what exactly happens on those trips to Israel they all take on the Lobby’s tab.

I’m betting there’s a lot of Godfather II dead hooker in the casino action going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Geary

108. Sabrina Ballerina - 30 August 2007

Wow.!!!! Pff is by far more active than Open Left, MyDD, MLW and BMT put together… that is saying something since it was just whipped together.

“Free Speech” vs “Canned Dem Establishment Pablum”… which would you rather have

D. Throat, so is this site – :-)

The only reason DK et al survived with the oppressive methods they used was because of George Bush. Peeder’s site is off to a good start and I think aftera while, the meta, being that it is allowed without restriction, will give way to more serious discussion. There already have been some good threads there.

What this should demonstrate to those who bought into the notiion that you have to have robo cops controlling the people all the time incase some ‘bad information’ might slip through, is that nothing really happens when everything is in the open.

Lucid’s thread hasn’t blown up the site yet. The reaction of the troll patrol at DK to both his and Choice Joyce’s comments was pure hysteria! You would think someone had nuked the place. I didn’t see what happened with Joel Siegel, but he says he was troll-rated into oblivian also for his views.

Censorship is ugly. And cowardly. There really is something wrong with those people. It is not healthy to be around them. Of course they could come over to Pff and argue their points, but I bet they will not. They are motivated by fear and dare to take away the right of other adults to make up their own minds. The same thing with all the other subjects that are banned there.

109. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

Best of luck to them all. LOL as McGreevey moves to be an Episcopalian priest…

To his credit, McGreevy did come out and loudly admit he was gay.

110. Marie - 30 August 2007

Revisonist #106 – I’m with you. Mr. “I feel your pain” was gag worthy before election day 1992. There’s more pain in the freaking world than we can possibly entertain absorbing story by story. Maybe that’s why I have so little tolerance for all the people youi feel compelled to offer their “sympathy” in response to sad stories posted on dKos. It’s a an emotionally empty and meaningless gesture. We elect politicians to take care of policies that actually help people, large numbers of people, and not the one by one thing the GOP pulled with Schiavo (which didn’t even help her because she had died long ago).

111. wilfred - 30 August 2007

Here’s a joke for you… Tweety has Tom DeLay (by himself!) talking about those nasty Dems who have their own scandals and how dare they use this unfortunate situation…. he feels so bad for his family (code phrase for ‘fuck the voters’). Tweety just laughs and grins while DeLay spins and spins.

Of all the crooked unrepented turds to have on your program to discuss political ethics….

112. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

Marie its also a trick they use to kill time.

HillBilly, what will you do about healthcare?

Healthcare is a big problem. Let me tell you about a woman I meet in Iowa. She ….. {drawn out pointless sappy story}. My plan will help Betty….Ooops our time is up. No time to actually explain my plan.

Thats why I have said Hillary doesnt like the debates. She cant do 30 secs because she needs to tell her stories to create an otherwise absent emotional connection with the audience. She is much like Bush in taht she needs a longer format to work her magic.

Compared to Dennis who can explain the Bill he already has in what ever time they allow him.

They all act like we are stupid and they have to explain the problem. We know what the problems are.

113. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

DeLay’s got pictures of Tweety doing something.

114. marisacat - 30 August 2007

ugh. Delay was on C Rose for an HOUR. I hung in. He is the ONLY person I have heard yell over all of charlie’s interruptions. Close to told him off at one point too.

The woman, forget her name who runs HBO, came close. She just got a look on her face of, well he is my friend but what a stupid tiresome man he is.

Delay just yelled.

115. BooHooHooMan - 30 August 2007

Minneapolis Police: Craig Tapped “Suck Me” in Morse Code

Airport Police in Minneapolis confirmed that Senator Larry Craig of Idaho, in an amazing feat of fancy footwork, was able to hoof out “Suck me, you ~bad boy , you ~naughty boy, you ~nasty, bad, naughty-boy” — all in Morse Code. Craig disputed the report, saying he merely tapped out the internationally recognized SOS to pass the toilet paper.
This savvy reporter can testify from personal experience that such misunderstandings are common. Who hasn’t responded on countless occassions to similar calls for help such as “Pardon me, my penis isn’t working, may I use yours?”  as well as “Could you hold this?” –very common since the introduction of the Blackberry and I-Phone. Now that I think of it, I’ve spent an inordinately large amount of time in men’s rooms and none of those guys seemed to be peeing. But hey, I figure I’ve helped out ALOT of people. Just another pointer in a thousand points of light…
It’s encouraging to know that the Democratic Congress can now relieve themselves of all the hard work they’ve done on ending the War, bringing torture sanctioning criminals to Justice, and protecting Civil Liberties at home. Now they have a real issue. They can answer the GOP’s call for bipartisanship to end the embarrasing two legged shuffle and the tinkle toes dance in America’s Men’s Rooms.
Forget about Iraq. Forget about Gonzales. Forget about Fisa. Forget about a right wing Judiciary that will be with us for another Generation, perhaps more.  The upwardly mobile white male vote wants better toilet paper dispensers. Ban those begrudging behemoths that, despite two tire sized rolls,  manage to shred a single micron thick ply every God-damn time. Provide some relief to the frequent flyer class. Seize this issue Dems,  because a bird in the hand….

116. jam.fuse - 30 August 2007

(Popping in at the local ‘cyber cafe’)

There is a horrifying book of photographs I once saw at Barnes and Nobles called, iirc, ‘War Against War’ which consists of portraits of WWI vets with all or most of their faces shot off. I think there are a few of them online if you must see them, if one googles the title.

In the continuing saga of my miserable existence I was slapped with a 1,075 dollar fine and a seven week course on the evils of drinkin’and drivin’, for which they make you pay about another 400 bucks, as a result of the heroic efforts of the NYPD to clean the roads of allegedly intoxicated drivers such as myself. The lawyer cost another 3500, so the whole thing set me back about 5 grand. My lawyer tells me I got off easy.

Gotta go, hope everyone is okay here.

117. Shadowthief - 30 August 2007

Sorry I haven’t been about. Had a bit of a trying day (actually, my life was falling apart, but then it fell back together again about 3 pm, so all’s well), it’s bloody hot here, and I stopped by Politicalfleshfeast.com on Marisacat’s recommendation to watch the undercard fight.

It was not exactly a battle of the Titans. More like a battle of the twitmice.

Here’s my (further) contribution to the discussion about attacking Iran:

It won’t be done during the winter. While the contribution of Iran to the world’s supply of oil and natural gas is not great (less than 2% at present), shortages are expected this winter, so attacking Iran would send the markets soaring–further damaging already wounded economies.

No, the attack will take place next spring, after both the Republican and Democratic nominees have been de facto decided. Both nominees will then pledge support for the attack and the embargo, thus ensuring the perpetuation of World War III into the next presidency. If either candidate dared disavow the war, they would be committing political suicide, because the media would explain, over and over again, how this person had turned traitor in a time of war, etc.

It’s on to Iran, folks.

By the by, is it really true that the site traffic for Pff.com exceeds the combined traffic of the two Baby Kos sites, MLW and BMT, AND MyDD? If so, my hat’s off to Peeder. Good show!

He won’t answer if he plans to accept advertising, which I assume means “yes”. Well, the world needs Viagra ads, too, I suppose.

118. Shadowthief - 30 August 2007

Oh, and as I predicted, DID have that “Deliverance” dream starring Karl Rove (in the Ned Beatty role), Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, and me (in the Burt Reynolds role, naturally!), but I didn’t get to finish it: I woke up in the middle of the scene where one of the hillbillies (played by Larry Craig) told Tucker Carlson he had a “purty mouth”.

To sleep, perchance to dream….

119. BooHooHooMan - 30 August 2007

Oy yeah Mistakes were made. Craig Channeling Rumsfeld:

Ah, your foot came toward mine, mine came towards yours, was that natural? I don’t know. Did we bump? Yes. I think we did.

120. BooHooHooMan - 30 August 2007

ST_ the War’s still on? I’ve been in the loo…

Spot on comment

No, the attack will take place next spring, after both the Republican and Democratic nominees have been de facto decided. Both nominees will then pledge support for the attack and the embargo, thus ensuring the perpetuation of World War III into the next presidency.

Yes, it will be an all in move by Cheney and Puppet. A who blinks first contest setting up the General Election. The fuckers don’t even have to be in office any more to have their bidding done…

So very fucked up.

121. Shadowthief - 30 August 2007

I still don’t understand how tapping another man’s foot in a bathroom stall constitutes solicitation for gay sex. Does that mean when men bump into me on the escalator, and say “I beg your pardon”, they’re really offering to fellate me?

If so, I must revisit and reconsider all of my daily social interactions. Plus, I’m suing everybody I meet for sexual harassment.

122. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

Teaching Morse Code as a Second Language

I had no idea that “pass me the toilet paper” was so close to “can I suck your dick?” in Morse.

Craig is showing “re-Morse”

Good points on timing of Iran War, shadowthief. Like the Iraq war, pre-emptive wars require longer drumbeats. Especially because it is necessary to infuse far more confusion into the heads of a populace that has soured on Iraq.

123. marisacat - 30 August 2007

he needed to get any atty at the time. Late now to say he “wants an atty”, which is exactly what he is saying.

Frankly i think even more will come out now, if he moves to vacate the plea, then he will be subject to the whole thing being redone, from the get go..

Be nice if we could get away from running stings on Oakland working girls, as well.

Neither party is interested in chilling on shame blame and treating real life like a social disease.

124. Shadowthief - 30 August 2007

Well, plus the television programmes tend to wrap up in late spring and go into re-runs, so the war will give people something to watch. The sight of the Tehran skyline aflame will make merry decoration for many an American television set.

I wonder how many Americans (or Brits, or anybody, for that matter) REALLY feel for the Iraqis or the Iranians? Maybe I feel differently because I’ve actually been to the Middle East and can recall the sights and sounds and smells and feel of those lands (well, I was never in Iran, but still…), but I get the distinct sense that to most Americans and Europeans, the Arabs and Persians are not “real people”–just props in some sort of extravagant long-running television serial. Americans are so keen on their own grief: the 3,000 dead when the Twin Towers fell allegedly changed the course of American history, while the 500,000 Iraqi dead are of no consequence. Is it possible that America is a nation of narcissists? And is Europe a continent of narcissists? Perhaps I’m asking too much of people.

Well, actually I’m not. One of my favourite films is “Deconstructing Harry”, in which Harry has the following conversation with his Zionist sister:

Harry: A question: lf aJew
gets massacred…does t bother you more than if it’s a Gentile or a black or a Bosnian?

Doris: Yes, it does. l can’t help it. lt’s my people.

Harry: Wha…They’re all your people!

125. Marie - 30 August 2007

Shadowthief – Is it possible that America is a nation of narcissists?

Do bears shit in the woods? The majority of Europeans a little less so because they at embrace more socialistic public policies than Americans do. It’s all tribal identification stuff that those at the top of the social and economic period recognize is good to foster among the masses to maintain the way of life for the elites.

re: Iran

Maybe my current complacency is that the Naval resources aren’t in place for a first strike. Must find a credible website that tracks this.

126. marisacat - 30 August 2007

well let me brutal here…

How many Kurds, who have struck their own deals prior to war with the US, care about what is happening in the Western region of Iraq? Ramadi for one. Fallujah another. Or in Basrah, Nasiriyah?

As we have insisted at times that Peshmergas fight beside US troops? As we targetted hosptials and Red Crescent workers, etc?

Americans should care as this country is going down the tubes – and the wars are a big part of the reason…. And the Kurds should care as we will sell them out again (which I am sure they know).

hell one of their personal representatives prior to the war and last I heard (tho he is distancing from the war fast) was Peter Galbraith. He seemed to literally fall in love iwth the Kurds. Or may be supports Israel, who support the Kurds.

i can barely keep it straight to be frank. Except everyone is for sale, it seems. Or wishes they were.

4 million Iraqis displaced, refugee camps are closing insdie Iraq, BBC reported again tdoay.

If the Kurds think that with or without our quadruple dealing they would not get caught in regional war, they are fools.

As are Americans.

127. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

It seems a Betrayal Futures market would be much more sensible than the Terrorist futures market, envisioned by Pointdexter, and slobbered over by Wolfowitz, until it was killed.

128. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

Craig isn’t preying on subordinates and underaged boys.

Well, actually

129. Marie - 30 August 2007

Marisa, the Craig anomolies may be explained from the facts that he’s a rancher and Methodist.

130. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

I saw that wedding portrait in the WaPo this past Sunday. Did not make it to the nytimes wedding pages for some reason.

131. frtitzcat - 30 August 2007

So anyway–I was havin a coupla cervezas with peeder after work today and he was telling me about some website where they perform fellatio on command. But he wouldnt divulge the name thta little technofascist kreep.

That probably isnt this website is it?

132. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

128–those Methodists. They have their methods.

(from the old joke storage space)

133. marisacat - 30 August 2007

in the absence of a pool out the back door of the house, a thread.

LINK

134. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

I hope you’re right Shadow, but I fear the bombs/missiles/tactical nukes will fly by Halloween. I think they need to pull the Reps back in line after the Petraeaus “report” comes out, and I think Cheney and the Israelis think this is their last chance.

not feeling to optimistic about the whole thing …


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