jump to navigation

Either party, the house wins… 31 August 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Big Box Blogs, California / Pacific Coast, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Political Blogs, San Francisco, WAR!.
trackback

     one armed bandit, it promises everything, including a one way flight to the moon...

Arthur Silber is up with a new post:

And some of the progressive bloggers actually seem to still believe that the Democrats will end the occupation of Iraq.

Stupid, and not paying attention. As I explained in detail before:

WE ARE NOT LEAVING.

And the progressive bloggers, just like the Democrats they service so slavishly, primarily think about the elections of 2008. Try, please try, to get a fucking clue. After we attack Iran — and read the earlier piece and the numerous other essays linked there — the world will be changed in countless ways, major and minor. I think the elections will go forward, and the major functions of our now loathsome government will continue as “normal” — except that none of it will mean anything. And since we may be concluding the first six or eight months of a genuine and spreading world war, it’s more than likely than the Republicans will keep the White House, and perhaps even take back one or both houses of Congress.

The Democrats try to convince us that their dicks are just as big as the Republicans’ (an especially neat trick for Hillary, but then she is so special), but given how this game is played at present, the Democrats’ problem is that they always come too late, and not enough. The Republicans will always win this game, and they may well win it again after some nukes go off around the globe and people are dying in the millions.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fugitive fundraiser and the crumbling Ponzi schemes... (thanks to Revisionist for mentioning the LAT piece):

In 1992, Hsu agreed to serve three years, although that term could be modified if he makes full restitution, estimated at $1 million.

Only a week ago Hsu was in San Francisco raising money for Democratic politicians. But all that ended this week when the Wall Street Journal and Los Angeles Times raised questions about his fundraising activities and his past.

Hsu appeared at the San Mateo County courthouse before 8 a.m., more than 45 minutes early. Having suddenly found himself front-page news, he has retained attorney James Brosnahan of the blue-chip San Francisco law firm Morrison & Foerster and the Los Angeles-based public relations firm headed by Michael Sitrick.

As Hsu waited in the hallway for the hearing to begin, he huddled with an attorney and spokesman Jason Booth. They declined to comment. Hsu spoke on his cellphone and chewed his fingernails.

Prosecutors have described Hsu’s case as a classic Ponzi scheme in which he sought investors to purchase and resell latex gloves. Hsu never purchased the gloves and had no contract to sell them, authorities say.

Almost sweet in its simplicity.  Until, of course, it is not sweet:

In 1990, Hsu was kidnapped by Chinese gang members in San Francisco and rescued when police in suburban Foster City stopped their car for running a red light.

Police speculated that the abductors intended to extort money from Hsu, but a lawyer’s filing in Hsu’s personal bankruptcy said Hsu had been kidnapped “allegedly by individuals who are creditors of the debtor.”

Starting in 2003, Hsu became a major donor to Democratic politicians, giving $255,000 directly to Democrats running for federal office and hundreds of thousands more to state and local politicians, from California to New York.

Ah well.  They have others.

*********************************

The ever erudite and succinct IOZ.  No exerpt, small and pointed, has to be read there… ;)

I don’t mean to pile on (tho as the patient goes critical who gives a fuck), but I did criticise Digby early on, linking to a post of hers during the Kerry “I can phone in a filibuster from Davos” mess during Alito… Digby said it was dangerous for us mere citizens and voters to presume to think we know more than the electeds.  And she did not mean President Hoover nor Coolidge…  She meant rank and file should not presume to know more than elected Dem leadership:

Others see it differently

I hope some of the comments I’m reading around the blogosphere aren’t reflections of of a knee jerk cynicism on the part of Democrats who have fallen in love with their assessment that they are superior to their elected leaders.

This is a very dangerous state of mind.

 Unacceptable.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There is another elegant and lovely Foodie Friday at IOZ, as well.  Calamari.  And then some…

Meanwhile, prepare your squids. Remove the little beak from the head. Cut off the tentacles and reserve. Grasp the head firmly at the eyes and give it a quick tug. Most of the internal organs will come out. Use your finger to pull out the rest. Rinse out the inside to get rid of the ink. Pull out the pin bone–a piece of translucent cartilege that runs down the back. Peel off the skin. You’ll be left with a little pocket of pure white squid meat that looks, lord strike me dead if I’m lyin’, like a little flaccid uncircumcised dick. Cut it into rings

****************************

Thanks to wozzle, previous thread, who linked to this at TPM:

Late Update: Reid’s spokesman responds to our query about his remarks, leaving little doubt that he’s open to the possibility of funding the war this fall without withdrawal timelines. –gs

My old line, all the great battles came, the ones foreseen since Reagan.  And there was no battle, no opposition.  None.

******************************************************************

UPDATE, 1:29 pm

Revisionist has a diary at PFF, on Hillary and her “Cash Cow Carnival”, with updates thru Hsu, Paw family donations and tidbits on who is defending Hsu… other than his PR guy and his atty (both with him this am).

Check it out…

***************************************

About these ads

Comments»

1. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

I also found the stuff about Bobb Kerrey being his defender interesting.

2. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Revisionist…

I had looked for your piece at PFF but could not find it. lst I saw from you ws Holy Water.

Will add your link to the post.. thanks.. ;)

3. Marie - 31 August 2007

Just made my way back to:

August 6, 2007 “A Transitional Stage”

IOZ

(scroll down, although lots of other good stuff is above and below it)

If I read much more of him, fear I will discover that he’s already said it and said it better. Well, that should reduce the amount of time I spend blogging.

4. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

Yeah, who the fuck aside from Paris hilton brings their publist to court.

5. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007

Hey, that reminds me, did you know that anti-war protestors are to civil rights protestors as “Albert Einstein is to Paris Hilton.” Or something like that ?

Another gem I picked up today from my ugly and brief foray over to that “Boxcar” blog.

Why do I have the feeling that if these asshole bloggers had been alive in the 1960s, they would have totally justified dogs and hoses being turned on marchers, saying that those marchers were frivolous and stupid and deliberately baiting the cops, not like the war vets who were attacked protesting Hoover in the 1930s ?

Babble burble ever backwards, ad inifnitum. Or however you say it.

6. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007

Sorry. Anti-war marchers = Paris Hilton.

Remember, it was on a Big Time Blog(tm). So you know it must be true.

7. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Craig will announce his future plans on Saturday. AP via CNN

He’s toast.

Next scandal?

8. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

taiwan is holding a referudum on joinging the UN but the US says they shouldnt bother since they arent a “state”

9. marisacat - 31 August 2007

I cannot help myself, I have to post this bit of snoggerel spam I fished out:

dieubaldness | masyana@hotmail.com | adieubaldness.info | IP: 116.0.103.138

Hello everybody – make a yarn wig – femi hair products – modu wigs – monique mohair wig – hairt sincerely yours

Not Spam — Aug 31, 1:53 PM — [ View Post ]

yarn wigs. who knew.

10. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

So much for that:

DES MOINES (Reuters) – Gay couples lined up before dawn on Friday to apply for marriage licenses until an Iowa judge, who set off the rush to the altar by scuttling the state’s law against same-sex marriage, put a halt to their bliss.

Less than 24 hours after starting the marriage stampede, Judge Robert Hanson of the Polk County District Court issued a stay to his own ruling that had said Iowa’s law restricting marriage to a man and a woman was unconstitutional.

On Friday Hanson ordered that no more marriage licenses be issued to gay couples at the request of a county prosecutor who wanted a halt until Iowa’s Supreme Court can rule on the prosecutor’s appeal.

11. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

yarn wigs. who knew.

Hmmm..now there’s a market I might be able to corner. ;)

12. marisacat - 31 August 2007

an Mcat emailer sent me this

The thread is small but interesting. Catch the hostility.

13. marisacat - 31 August 2007

catnip

I thought of you and HCfM instanter…

the spam is so boring. Really: ”naked people having sex”. And then verbal descriptions of all possible combinations. And then some.

For months I got Italian pron sites. At least the language is mellifluous. Now I get Israeli prn sites. A mix of terribl English and hebrew characters.

When I get a chance, off to follow the links (wigs, I mean). It could be hilarious.

14. marisacat - 31 August 2007

# 10

yes and all of ours (SF’s two weeks or so of SSM) in 2004 were undone.

15. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007

OR’s, too, Mcat.

[rolleyes] Hey, we can’t have single-payer or living wage, but at least we showed THOSE PEOPLE their proper place.

16. Marie - 31 August 2007

#12 -I jumped in to rec. IOZ — but otherwise, have nothing to add as I have somehow (dumb luck?) managed to remain on the sidelines and as at most an observer of the insider clash of big egos and divorces. Easy that way when for the most part, I only went to dKos for the snacks and not to hang out with the VIPs and am indifferent as to whether they stay, go or anything in between. When one of them sets up a site that is visually superior and sets of different corners for the major diary groups (and less complicated than DU), I migrate with them.

17. mattes - 31 August 2007

mbnyc’s favorite word: douchbag, how progressive.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/8/29/171634/072/119#c119

18. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007

Marie, I like IOZ, too. But you should keep writing the economics beat, too. Since you have your own style and all.

[snerk] If those fools can’t handle Sheehan, IOZ should give at least half of them a terminal case of the vapors. :D

19. Marie - 31 August 2007

ms_xeno – thanks but don’t have any real speciality – just another generalist with decent analytical skills but not the wit or writing skill of those like IOZ and billmon. (And I spent too many years doing detailed library research to have much patience for filling my musing with references)

The fools will ignore IOA (not sure their reading comprehension skills are up to the task). But it is fun watching them jump out of the woodwork to attack that Diary. Why not simply delete? Few would notice or mind.

20. lucid - 31 August 2007

That was a pretty tame thread [about pff]…

As for the yarn wigs, perhaps we could add a counter in our boutique?

21. brinn - 31 August 2007

re#12 — I like this comment in that thread: [empahsis mine]

candidly (0 / 0)

My impression of the site is: vaguely dreary and second tier at best.

I’m all for freshness and new approaches. But let me point out that Kos was, at its beginning, about as free-for-all (and yes, I lurked here for a long time before registering, still #7609 btw). What matters is clear thinking and insight-based rather than reactive posting, and that isn’t much in evidence at that site [LOL!! and there is at dKos -- it's ALL reactive]. If it isn’t there in the beginning, it usually doesn’t ever appear, so…. And once you let the crackpottery in (e.g. the HIV denialist thread) [obviously he/she has not read it] , the road doesn’t usually lead upwards. Plus, it’s rare that a site formed of apostates and exiles and heretics ever really thrives. [Now that is just fucking rich...] The point is opposition to something more real than they are, [is that THAT the point?!? Something more real than I am -- wow, I feel so taken down a notch. NOT!] and sites of the kind tend to focus on agitating pathologically about that existential role.

As for the satire..clever, mildly funny, but a bit lacking in point. It puts its finger on externalities, not really cutting insights.

3/5, but might improve. Or not. :-)

Renewal, not mere Reform.

by killjoy on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:27:50 PM PDT

22. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

Russia is said to be planning a manned moon mission

23. marisacat - 31 August 2007

lucid

most of the comments are hidden. And Laurence Poo has now been banned. The current open thread at peeder’s is discussing it now, as catnip posted the link.

LOL good on peeder, he is encouraging someone to get the HC out and post them at PFF.

24. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

What is the deal with Iraqslogger going sub?

25. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

What is the deal with Iraqslogger going sub?

Definitely not worth it. Guess Jordan figured he had to find some way to milk the tubes.

26. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Bush E-Mail Mystery Deepens: White House Won’t Name Tech Contractor

The White House will not identify a private company which appears to be involved in the disappearance of millions of White House e-mails.

27. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Marie, I don’t think they should delete it, they should have thicker skins and be able to laugh at themselves. But, then, authoritarians are not known for their sense of humor.

The diarest landed in hidden comments a few times (we have our sources, lol) so in case you missed them, here are a few:

Who said I was banned, Matt? (0+ / 5-)
Trollrated by:ROGNM, taylormattd, Plutonium Page, BarbinMD, mango

Also, I hope you’re not billing clients for all the time you spend bloviating on Daily Kos. That would be highly unethical, wouldn’t it?

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:54:05 PM PDT

************

I’m (5+ / 0-)

thinking you are this person. Or maybe one of these people.

Showing up everyday, ‘doing my job.’ Also, Rudy Giuliani sux

by taylormattd on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:55:33 PM PDT

He seems to be having fun whoever he is -

And poor Miss Laura gets her very own (0+ / 6-)
Trollrated by:ROGNM, taylormattd, Plutonium Page, notimportant, Spathiphyllum
Photoshop satire in another thread: http://www.flickr.com/

Amazing how much creativity people put into these things.

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:27:04 PM PDT

**************

No need to call me a stupid asshole (0+ / 3-)
Trollrated by:shayera, notimportant, Spathiphyllum
you rude little man.

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:59:38 PM PDT

**********

Listen… (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Pager

…I’m 5’11″, which you really should know from real life, as you say. That’s not exactly “little”.

Eh, pal?

We shall crush our enemies under the cruel heel of our basic goddamned f–king competence. -Hunter

by MBNYC on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:01:58 PM PDT

************

While you may be of average height (0+ / 2-)
Trollrated by:Pager, droogie6655321

physically, don’t forget that it’s possible to be a little man both intellectually and morally.

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:03:20 PM PDT

**************

Speaking from experience on that one, (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:mango, MBNYC

are you?

“…the Edwards folks do not endorse Brittany’s crotch.”

by Pager on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:05:57 PM PDT

**************

In short… (0 / 0)
…you were lying about the IRL acquaintance.

Now I’m amused. Unless, of course, you’re actually my old friend Francis L. Holland, which is another intriguing theory. The writing style matches closely enough.

We shall crush our enemies under the cruel heel of our basic goddamned f–king competence. -Hunter

by MBNYC on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:06:19 PM PDT

***********

“satire” (10+ / 0-)
Recommended by:taylormattd, CalifSherry, shayera, 2lucky, notimportant, Spathiphyllum, trashablanca, mango, Dauphin, MBNYC

So that’s what they’re calling biohazardous waste these days.

Kernenergie? Nee bedankt!

by Plutonium Page on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:41:11 PM PDT

********

Hey, don’t be sore (0+ / 2-)
Trollrated by:Spathiphyllum, droogie6655321

Doesn’t being the target of a satire mean that you have finally arrived? You should be proud that better writers than yourself are willing to expend ink sending you up.

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:43:24 PM PDT

***************

Better writers? (7+ / 0-)
Recommended by:shayera, Spathiphyllum, trashablanca, mango, Dauphin, MBNYC, TomP

Is that why you had to start your own site rather than rise to prominence on a more successful one?

Sad little princes of sad little hills, these.

“Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the 3 demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business.” — Mr. Burns

by droogie6655321 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:45:11 PM PDT

***************

I didn’t start PFF (0 / 0)
And I’m not associated with it either. I just think it’s a cool site.

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:49:22 PM PDT

**************

How would we know that? (8+ / 0-)
Recommended by:taylormattd, shayera, Plutonium Page, Spathiphyllum, trashablanca, mango, Dauphin, MBNYC

With so many users coming back as sockpuppets, we really don’t know who is who anyhow.

“Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the 3 demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business.” — Mr. Burns

by droogie6655321 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:50:45 PM PDT

**************

It’s (7+ / 0-)
Recommended by:shayera, Plutonium Page, 2lucky, Spathiphyllum, Dauphin, MBNYC, TomP

stupidasshole again.

Showing up everyday, ‘doing my job.’ Also, Rudy Giuliani sux
by taylormattd on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:58:49 PM PDT

************

You’re a stupid asshole yourself (0+ / 4-)
Trollrated by:shayera, Plutonium Page, BarbinMD, Spathiphyllum

See, you’re not the only person around here who can call people by rude names.

by Lawrence Poo on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:00:26 PM PDT

He’s just toying with them. What’s interesting is how few now come in to defend them. They now have another site to monitor. And probably there will be more unless they learn that bullying never, ever has positive results.

28. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Hitchens is on Hardball talking about Diana and he actually looks sober (gasp!).

29. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Larry Craig to resign.

via BBC World News.

30. brinn - 31 August 2007

re#22 — Rev, really??

Any more details? Maybe Putin wats to go and get his picture taken in space with his shirt off! LOL!

31. lucid - 31 August 2007

Hitchens is on Hardball talking about Diana and he actually looks sober (gasp!).

Don’t worry. It’s early. I’m sure he’ll be into the scotch in another 15 minutes or so.

32. supervixen - 31 August 2007

Pretty hilarious how ruffled they get about PFF.

Plutonium Page is quite the knee-jerk nut. She’s like the Sunday School teacher who can’t wait to jump down the kids’ throats when they’re playing around.

MCat, that spam “found poem” is a riot!

When I was a kid in NYC, there was a fancy massage parlor down the street from us. This was in the decade of Plato’s Retreat. This place had an East Indian theme and was called the Taj Mahal. The shills handed out business cards describing their palatial amenities, including something called a “Lotus Pebel Whicks Pool”. Everyone was baffled for a long time until we figured out from another of their ads that it was supposed to be a “Lotus Petal Whirl Pool”. Apparently someone had bad handwriting and/or couldn’t proofread. Anyway it was a bit of a letdown because the incorrect version was so much more exotic and enigmatic.

33. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

#12: Oh my oh my oh my, what have we here? Fascism all about…apparently one must watch what one does and what one writes on ALL the blogs, lest it have repercussions on DailyKos!

Is MBNYC serious when he/she/it/they (it could be part of the Borg collective, therefore the plural pronoun) claims that d3n4l1′s participation on Pff.com might get him/her troll-rated on an entirely different blog?

Oh, my head is going to spin until it flies up in the air like a child’s helicopter toy with that one.

Memo to DailyKossagitonianites: Astronomers have located the centre of the universe. It’s not you.

34. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

22. Revisionist – 31 August 2007

Russia is said to be planning a manned moon mission

Yes, but only one-way. The cosmonauts won’t find out until they’re on the lunar surface.

35. mattes - 31 August 2007

MBNYC doesn’t do it in bathrooms….only in nightclubs! Ha!
http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showComment.do?commentId=4118

36. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007

The whole trouble with Hitchens is that he never offers to buy. It’s always take take take…

Shadowthief, I think you stole that plotline about the one-way colonization project from C.J. Cherryh. If this were DK, you could be banned for that.

37. Marie - 31 August 2007

SB – at least deleting the diary would be honest – leaving it up with all those hidden comments is really dishonest because non-TU readers wll think the guy posted terrible stuff when it’s consistent with all of the unhidden comments. Was tempted to rec to compensate for the TR – but wouldn’t have helped him and it wasn’t my fight anyway.

Shadowthief, on bad days, I’m convinced the pod people have taken – they come in two colors: deep green and medium green that’s how the pods can tell which is friend 24/7 and which is friend behind closed doors. They probably figure it’s easier to let the rest of us hang around until we die — less obvious that the world changed 9/11/81.

38. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

Russia plans to send a manned mission to the Moon by 2025, 57 years after Nasa’s Apollo mission in 1968 – and wants to build a permanent base there.

Anatoly Perminov, head of the Russian space agency Roskosmos, said that an “inhabited station” could be built between 2027 and 2032. Russia intended to complete construction of its section of the International Space Station by 2015 so that the ISS “becomes a fully fledged space research centre,” he added. Mr Perminov pointed out that Russia’s space programme receives less than 10 per cent of the funding the US receives, yet retains great ambitions. An expedition to Mars remained a long-term ambition for Roskosmos, which hoped to send manned flights there after 2035, he said.

However, many difficulties linked to the planet’s extreme physical conditions remain unresolved. “Current spacecraft do not provide the protection needed for the crew to survive and return to Earth,” he said. (AFP)

39. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007
40. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

#35. I need to wash my eyes out.

41. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Marie, I agree that would be more honest, it’s what rightwing blogs do, like FreeRepublic. If you had rec’d him, you would have been troll-rated also. Which is why it is not a ‘community moderated’ blog. It is controlled by a small band of thread thugs. Anyone who stumbles into a thread and honestly thinks the comment is not bad enough to be troll-rated, instantly becomes a troll themselves.

But this would not be happening had they not angered so many people, thinking they had ultimate control beyond that blog. It was very short-sighted of them.

42. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

#12: Oh my oh my oh my, what have we here? Fascism all about…apparently one must watch what one does and what one writes on ALL the blogs, lest it have repercussions on DailyKos!

Absolutely. Exhibit A

43. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

Taylormattdd is bragging about being 5’11″? Pfft, midget. I’ve got three inches on him, and we all know that the taller a man is, the smarter he is. That’s why Wilt Chamberlain was one of the great geniuses of our age, and Albert Einstein never did anything significant with his life.

44. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

36. ms_xeno – 31 August 2007

The whole trouble with Hitchens is that he never offers to buy. It’s always take take take…

Shadowthief, I think you stole that plotline about the one-way colonization project from C.J. Cherryh. If this were DK, you could be banned for that.

That’s why I was banned from DailyKos, actually. I posted excerpts from my latest novel, “Larry Kotter and the Wizard’s Stone”, about a young English boy’s adventures at Pigwarts, a boarding school for magicians.

I should sue those DailyKossackians for ruining my writing career. Maybe I should hire Armando–not because I think he’d win, but just so I can see what a billing statement for legal services looks like when it’s written in crayon on the back of a tavern napkin and has traces of a mysterious white powder on it.

45. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

#42 Catnip–Those Kos Kontrol Kops are truly clueless as to how they appear, don’t they? That BarbinMD behaves like a bone-headed thug, and she doesn’t think it doesn’t matter?

The Kos Kontrol Kops read this blog, and others–don’t they realise that other people who aren’t commenting on DailyKos read their comments, as well, and are repulsed by the constant bullying and thought policing that takes place there?

Pity there’s no way to measure how many people have quietly dropped out of DailyKos, or never bothered to register and comment, because of thugs like BarbinMD, et al.

46. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Ummm…what??

47. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

#24. Revisionist – What is the deal with Iraqslogger going sub?

I noticed that too. And it’s expensive, nearly $70.00 a month. They were gone at midnight last night, I was checking the site and it was a blank page. Too bad, I liked that site.

Marisacat, thanks for the Craig link. Yes, he’s gone. How many is that now? I heard on the radio that that Iowa is ‘turning Democratic’ so the Repubs are worried.

48. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

the views on my miss laura photo-cartoon have doubled in the the last couple of hours

49. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

#46–I think Elise’s Mum has started blogging.

Meet Elise’s Mum: Seasalt:

I have been more or less “fuckable” — and more or less hounded for sex — for almost forty years, and still, I don’t understand.

Oh, the humanity.

50. JJB - 31 August 2007

We have now finished a full year in which at least 70 US soldiers were killed every month. Seventy is the outlier actually, there have been only 3 months in that year in which there weren’t at least 80 dead, and in 5 out of 12 months, the fatality count exceeded 100. This is by far the bloodiest 12-month period of the war, which has now lasted almost a full year longer than our involvement in WWII, and has gone on longer than the entirety of WWI.

One of the (so far) 81 Americans to die this month in Iraq was Army Sergeant Andrew Nelson of Moorhead, Minnesota. Sgt. Nelson was 22 years of age, and was on his third tour of duty in Iraq, which means that the majority of his very short adult life was spent living through a hellish experience the like of which can only be imagined by those condemned to be active-duty soldiers in a war zone. Prior to joining the Army, Sgt. Nelson had been a diligent Boy Scout, as well as an altar boy at his Catholic church, one of those idyllic American youths from the “heartland” (Minnesota and Fargo, North Dakota) straight out of Hollywood/TV mythology. When the war that killed him started, Sgt. Nelson was still in high school, probably obsessing about the Senior Prom while a number of us were arguing about the war with the scummy likes of Josh Trevino over at the site that has since become Little Orange Footballs. Now the child that was then is dead, having experienced things most adults thankfully never have to endure. May his soul find peace and contentment in some other realm, and may the people who started this war, and anyone who enabled and abetted it in even the slightest way suffer torments far worse than any Sgt. Nelson ever had to go through in his short life.

51. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

Why do I think this may be the greatest book ever written?

Denise Jackson knew that her marriage to Alan Jackson wasn’t perfect. She was too needy and insecure in the relationship, and he was on the road a lot, becoming one of country’s biggest superstars.

Still, she wasn’t prepared for the shock she got in 1998, shortly after the birth of their third child, when Jackson — her sweetheart since their teen years — told her that he didn’t want to be in the marriage anymore. Hurt and disillusioned, she tried everything to get him back, and turned to prayer.

A revelation came one day when a friend told her she wouldn’t pray for Alan Jackson to come back, but instead, would pray for Denise Jackson to become the woman that God intended her to be. From that day on, Denise Jackson began to reassess the role God played in her life — and, instead of focusing on how to repair her relationship with her husband, put her efforts into rebuilding her relationship with God. In the end, she says, becoming closer to God helped her become closer to her husband — and save her marriage.

Jackson writes about her journey in the new book “It’s All About Him: Finding the Love of My Life.” And while her husband is on the cover of the book and included a CD of two songs, after the first few chapters, it becomes clear that the country singer is not the ultimate focus of her book.

Question for Mrs. Jackson: Why does Jesus only help white people who live in the United States? Is it because Jesus is a white American? Hm, no…that can’t be it. Well, it must be because white Americans are God’s chosen people. Because black people sure aren’t: they prayed until their knees wore out for divine intercession during Hurricane Katrina and all they got was a great big fat silence.

Mrs. Jackson, I’m so glad that God has a Plan for you and that you are one of His Chosen People. Could you please not bother the rest of us who are not chosen, not interested in being chosen, and not interested in the curious admixture of smugness and self-flagellation that marks the American version of Christianity?

Or as you said in your CNN interview:

I really wanted to share with people how nothing is impossible with Him and how He can tackle relationships and restore them, and really just so people can be drawn to Him.

That must be why the divorce rat e is so low in the United States (not to mention the crime rate): God’s influence in the deeply Christian nation has tamed the savage human heart. Ah, if only we heathen English could emulate your example. Did you know that almost four dozen people were killed by handguns last year in England? Shocking. And don’t get me started on the divorce rate. Heathen England has a shocking divorce rate of 54%, whilst deeply God-fearing America’s divorce rate is only 50%. Truly, He CAN tackle relationships and restore them–the Deity shaved 4 points off your nation’s divorce rate!

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

gotta catch up, but I just wanted to link this beautiful trailer for the Sigur Ros concert doc because it’s … well … beautiful.

53. JJB - 31 August 2007

liberalcatnip, no. 28,

Hitchens is on Hardball talking about Diana and he actually looks sober (gasp!).

Well, for a discussion of the very important matter of Princess Diana still being dead 10 years after dying, one makes certain sacrifices. If Hitch looked sober, that means he’s only been drinking since noon, which by his standards is a month of sobriety.

He, of course, is one of the people I was referring to at the end of my previous comment. I hope his death is a very long, painful, lingering one. Absolute scum, that man.

Well, I spent a lot of time on the road today (350 mile round trip), and all that driving plus a glass of wine has put me in a mental and physical zone in which I’d probably better not be posting on the Internet. Good night all, hope you’re all well, see you soon.

54. Marie - 31 August 2007

#42 – lc – seems tames compared to some of the battles I got myself into – the one that resuled in 20 troll ratiings in about ten minute. It just clicks (or is it spelled cliches?). The behavior regardless of age level is varies little. Envy – both internal and external is what gives them power. I’ve been ignoring them since seventh grade – even when the “socies” tried to enlist me into their camp. Not bad people, merely not the smartest or most interesting. Let them live in their bubbles of self-importance. If they come here, it’s because they are obsessively fearful that someone’s going to talk about them behind their backs — well, duh, that’s what people do, talk about other people, the irritants and the admired alike. Better to blow off the former and talk about the latter to avoid an irritant getting the impression that she/he is envied or admired just because her/his name is mentioned on another blog. Of course when any one of them says anything exceptionally stupid, that’s worth mentioning because it’s funny. Anyway IOZ decimates them enmasse so thorougly that I don’t have to “pollute my beautiful mind” with such things. Although I just might start copying and posting some of his stuff in comments over there.

Have discovered that the Hill-Bots are wusses compared to the Clarkie’s of ’03 – or maybe it’s just that I’ve figured out how to get them to run away. Mention a solid, fact filled book that they should read, and they’re gone. Few people there actually read. Not books, long thoughtful diaries or longer thoughtful comments. The only time I get a bunch of rec ratings is for a one or two line throw away. Also, the speed with which people post comments on a new diary and recommend it tell me that they couldn’t have read more than the first few lines. So, they don’t read, much less think things through. No wonder most of them have lined up behind the top three candidates. Of course the second and third teir ones aren’t better. They get it that this country is a mess, but they aren’t ready to recognize how big the mess is, that it wasn’t screwed up exclusively by the GOP, that they participated in it. Sadly, it may take more catastrophes before some open their eyes, but many won’t even then.

55. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

Hitchens is sober?

Omg, my fundie assistant at work was RIGHT–the Apocalypse is nigh.

A sober Hitchens is one of the signs. There’s only two more left: Hillary Clinton refuses a campaign donation and CBS fires Katie Couric and re-hires Walter Cronkite.

56. Hair Club for Men - 31 August 2007

and we all know that the taller a man is, the smarter he is

Give me Dennis Kucinich over John Kerry.

57. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

So, they don’t read, much less think things through.

That might be too uncomfortable. I’m all about learning – have been since I used to spend time flipping through our 1962 World Book Encylopaedias when I was a child. If you’ve somehow come to the conclusion that you already know all you need to about your philosophies, your politics, the world etc then why bother reading or learning? It’s just a waste of time. That’s where the rigidity shines through on dkos – the lack of a willingness to consider new ideas ie. it really is conservatism.

58. Hair Club for Men - 31 August 2007

I wonder if the cops have their own pre-RNC videos. All this lacks is the dancing riot squad.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

Marisa … you’re right about the IOZ you linked above. Short, sweet, to the point. Why won’t people see that the donks are part of the problem?

60. Hair Club for Men - 31 August 2007

A sober Hitchens is one of the signs.

Ack. I saw Hardball a few days ago with Hitchens, Tweety and William Donahue.

Donahue kept yelling at Hitchens that “an Englishman has to shut up when an Irishman it talking” and Tweety was just cackling.

The whole clip made me think that there might be something to that “the white man was created by an evil scientist” idea after all.

61. mattes - 31 August 2007

McLaughlin Group talking all about bloggers.

62. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

oh no. i was troll rated at PFF. my elise pic was jsut too tasteless. it was elise superimposed over a double mascectomy operation.

63. jam.fuse - 31 August 2007

re #50 — Dylan line stuck in my head for decades

They took a clean cut kid
And made a killer out of him
Is what they did…

64. supervixen - 31 August 2007

#33, Sthief:

Oh, my head is going to spin until it flies up in the air like a child’s helicopter toy with that one.

Memo to DailyKossagitonianites: Astronomers have located the centre of the universe. It’s not you.

ROTFLMAO!!!

You said it.

By the way, where did you decide to go – Troncones or Barra de Potosi? Or some other place?

65. Marie - 31 August 2007

#51 Jackson writes about her journey in the new book “It’s All About Him: Finding the Love of My Life.” Sounds like another candidate for the Hill-Shrub Elite House of Prayer. These people must know a secret prayer ritual that causes the Lord to shower them with the gifts of power, money and love. Although it appears that they can have two our of the three, still not bad. They could make a fortune if they ever shared with the world the secret to effective praying.

#46 – I liked that diary. Have known many women with a similar life experience. All too often they use drugs, alcohol or more sex to cope.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

I have no patience for Robert Bly, but the Grace Lee Boggs interview on Moyers tonight is wonderful.

67. Hair Club for Men - 31 August 2007

have no patience for Robert Bly

He did do a great translation of Knut Hamsun’s book “Hunger”.

68. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007

#44 :D

So Armando actually ripped himself off from one of those Elmore Leonard books ? Suddenly, it all makes sense to me.

Bless your heart, Shadow. I will be sure to bring you back a nice seashell or a bottle of cheap-yet-snobby wine during my 48 hour escape to fabulous Pacific City this weekend.

(I will try to find a wifi place on the road, but if not, don’t anyone take it personally.)

=^..^=

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

maybe he did, maybe I’m missing it, but he drives me nuts.

The Boggs’ interview includes a wonderful discussion about MLK’s speech in Riverside Church.

70. cad - 31 August 2007

“it was elise superimposed over a double mascectomy operation.”

agreed, tasteless.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

I’m gonna type this “transcript” as I keep hitting reverse on the DVR. G. L. Boggs on “leadership”:

Moyers: “Do you see any leaders who are advocating a change? I mean, people that we would all recognize, anybody we’d ever recognize?”

Boggs: “I don’t see any leaders, and I think we need to have to rethink the concept of ‘leader’, because ‘leader’ implies ‘follower’, and so many … and I think we need to appropriate the idea that WE are the leaders that we’ve been looking for.”

Amen.

72. Marie - 31 August 2007

#69 – I love that speech. Pacifica has the recording either in their archives or access to it.

73. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

David Swanson has a good piece up on Ron vs. Dennis.

MitM for the love of god turn on closed captioning when transcribing.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

oh, I do, but I’m middle-aged and increasingly forgetful, my short-term memory sucks from years of alcohol abuse, so even w/ the closed-captioning I need the reverse button.

75. Hair Club for Men - 31 August 2007

Here’s the David Swanson article.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/26365

76. Miss Devore - 31 August 2007

#70 cad-I second.

77. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

#46 – I liked that diary. Have known many women with a similar life experience. All too often they use drugs, alcohol or more sex to cope.

I don’t. Here’s why:

What does that have to do with electing Democrats?

I jest but I’m not entirely kidding. That diary looks like it would be more appropriate on a help site for women with personal issues. She stereotypes men and women and, ironically, some of the men in the thread feel that they have to apologize for the fact that they are men. Men are wired differently (in general) as far as sexual urges/relations go. How a person deals with that personally is their issue. As someone pointed out, maybe she needs to look at why she seems to be attracting the type of men who she feels aren’t appropriate in her life. Afaik, that’s not the purpose of a political blog.

Secondly, from reading that blog and the responses, you’d think that women don’t engage in the same behaviour. And, let me add, that the consensus seems to be that sex for the sake of sex is not acceptable. I don’t buy that. If you’re an adult and you’ve made that choice – understanding the emotional/physical etc risks involved who’s to say it’s wrong somehow – esp if that’s what you’ve communicated clearly to your partner? There are many different reasons for people of both sexes to choose the casual sex or “friends with benefits” option. The thrust (pardon the pun) of that diary negates the value of that option. And yes, it can have value in a person’s life.

I just find that diary to be much too personal. Surely she knows that she needs to work on herself to get what she wants and not blame it on the opposite sex. (?) That’s what I find very disjointed about it all.

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

OMG, Maher is making the connection btwn the recent brainless beauty queen and Bush … it’s so fucking funny/sad/terrible.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

Protestors Shut Down World’s Busiest Border Crossing

California Highway Patrol in riot gear have shut down all southbound traffic lanes at San Ysidro, CA (h/t to Erwin C at The Latin Americanist). Hundreds of Mexican teachers are blocking the world’s busiest border crossing. Members of a teachers union demonstrating against changes in Mexico’s pension system briefly blocked holiday weekend traffic Friday through the busiest border crossing in the US.

The protesters sat down in the highway in Tijuana a few hundred yards south of the San Ysidro Port of Entry, halting vehicles heading into the US.

A line of Mexican police in riot gear stood between the demonstrators and the US border. One the US side, the California Highway Patrol blocked southbound traffic on Interstate 5 with four Highway Patrol vehicles parked across the freeway stocked with police officers in riot gear. According to Mexico’s Frontera newspaper, police estimated the crowd at 2,500, however, our media claimed 200 to 300 people were involved. I wonder how KPBS reporter Amy Isackson concluded there were only 200 to 300 people. Was she even there? Did she even talk to the police? Or did she simply didn’t think care about this story because it was Mexico? Inquiring minds want to know.

80. lucid - 31 August 2007

JJB #50 – thanks for that. If the American people, every day, could have the costs and realities of the war so succintly displayed before their eyes, maybe we’d see a public descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches… Maybe.

81. Hair Club for Men - 31 August 2007

If the American people, every day, could have the costs and realities of the war so succintly displayed before their eyes, maybe we’d see a public descending on Washington with pitchforks and torches… Maybe.

The American people did see Katrina displayed before their eyes live on national TV.

It destroyed Bush’s presidency but nobody descended on DC with pitchforks and torches.

Same with Iraq. Pretty much everybody hates Bush but pretty much everybody is waiting for someone else to get rid of him.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

Mike Gravel on Maher: “You’ve got a mental midget as President, it’s little wonder you have a 22-year-old running traffic (in Baghdad).

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

Gravel: “What we’re all talking about it is how to do a mistake compentently, that’s what this is. We made a mistake going in, so now we’re trying to figure out how you can do this … YOU CAN’T … it’s a mistake, you walk away, you withdraw …. “

84. lucid - 31 August 2007

HC – indeed. I started that comment with something about the insular American running down the middle class dream with overwork and debt spending… but decided to moderate it a bit.

85. Marie - 31 August 2007

#77 – lc – don’t disagree with anything you say. But I think it’s a good thing for men and women to share their different perspectives. “Regular” guys don’t show up in women’s self help groups or therapy. Twelve step programs are fine but that too is a special population. If I had any complaint at all as to it’s appropriateness on dKos is that the average age of the men tends to be much younger – and therefore, not the best audience. Whatever it’s faults, it sure beat reading another Rove/Craig/Hillary etc. diary. So, it didn’t bother me that it wasn’t the best forum for it.

86. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Only some people “got” katrina.

Overall we seem to wring our hands at massive systematic corruption (just one slice of NO/Gulf states) but not hold anyone accountable.

I would say, back in 2004, that we’d know how many saw the blood being spilled and in effect just want ”more”. There was no outcry to end the war, not high not low. We got salutes and a “civil” convention. Not that it mattered.

Abu Ghraib did nto resound. Some, but not really. People went and wept, many reports I read of high emotionalism at Moore’s 9/11… but it vaporised, or so it seems… and then so many did not sort out that election. At all.

And so we get the mediocrity of a war on cancer – from Robin someone or other on GMA who assisted Disney in covering up what was going on in her own gulf coast home town, Pas Christien MS and now has cancer to Tony Snow. To Hillary and Lance Armstrong.. Cancer.

So let’s get behind cancer. But not health care.

You can hardly tell if a campaign is for promotion, eradication, curing, healing or seeding and festering. Mostly it’s for talk and ads.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

exactly marisa … PR nation. Crom forfend then we actually confront real problems, have real discussions, discussions that aren’t tied to a multi-national conglomerate’s business plan.

88. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger pulls out of appearing in person at the Tory Party conference…

89. supervixen - 31 August 2007

Just checked out the “seasalt” diary. Yikes. Basically it’s an “advertisement for myself and how hot I am, even though jilted”. it’s the usual internet sexual display, with an added little confessional twist. Shadowthief was right in linking it to Elise.

I like seasalt’s writing, though. And I admire metalprophet’s comments in the thread. He’s one of the few at DKos who gets the feminism thing.

catnip: Men are wired differently (in general) as far as sexual urges/relations go.

I disagree here – this is a stereotype and a dangerous one. It has some truth to it but not enough. What you said reminds me of the comment in the thread by some goofus Latinate username (hmm, was it a DD sockpuppet?) about how “Men like to fuck, but women want to take care of themselves and their kids”. Simplistic crap.

90. marisacat - 31 August 2007

oh Arnold pulled out as he is the Great Western Socialist.

In his storm troopers’ boots, that is.

91. supervixen - 31 August 2007

Katrina brought it home for me that we are well and truly on our own when a big catastrophe happens – whether it’s a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, or a full-out nuclear war. There is no “civil defense” in this country and no functioning emergency-response system that can handle a large-scale disaster.

It’s not because we don’t have the resources – it’s because we prefer to pretend it will never happen.

We are a nation of ostriches.

92. supervixen - 31 August 2007

Lance Armstrong – gahh! If I never hear another word about him, it’ll be too soon.

He bores me to tears.

Even Steve Garvey was more interesting.

93. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

When the war that killed him started, Sgt. Nelson was still in high school, probably obsessing about the Senior Prom while a number of us were arguing about the war with the scummy likes of Josh Trevino over at the site that has since become Little Orange Footballs. Now the child that was then is dead, having experienced things most adults thankfully never have to endure

JJB

Beautifully said, JJB. Some of the dead are only 18 or 19, some as old as in their fifties. And once again, Reid, instead of thinking of them, is thinking of working with the Republicans. What they need is someone who will take them by their throats and tell them ‘this crime is going to end’ and then go ahead and use the power he pretends he doesn’t have.

Marisa, you are so right about the reaction to all the horrors we’ve witnessed. I remember when the Abu Ghraib photos were released, the shock I felt, even though I had heard rumors, people like Robert Fisk had written about the possibility of torture, about a woman named Noor airc who asked that her ‘brothers’ blow up the prison because of what they were enduring. But no one was sure. When it was confirmed, I thought ‘this will make people react and do something’.

I remember Inhofe ‘I’m more outraged by the outrage’ – and the lack of outrage at that statement, considering the evidence. He should have vilified totally and if this was a decent society, removed from office. Those were crimes and an elected official condoned them, yet nothing happened. I think it was then I began to wake up and realized that in general, the American people can justify anything (Nick Berg was used to diffuse the initial anger and it worked).

94. Marie - 31 August 2007

MitM – once I started reading that speech again, I couldn’t stop. Posted it at dKos. Maybe it should go up there on a weekly basis until they fucking read something of value.

(All I did was open a diary that was a follow-up to the one on organic milk which I didn’t read and landed myself smack dab into another abortion debate. Maybe I should hang out at freeperland because then I wouldn’t have any delusion that I was talking to rational people.).

95. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Supervixen, I agree regarding Katrina .. for a while there was a reaction but once the media left the area, and I was surprised it was covered as much as it was, the national memory of it all faded. One horror after another, and not a single one of them has been held accountable.

Mitm, thanks for that transcript – he’s right, the people need to lead, but why haven’t they? That story from Mexico, shutting down traffic, inconvenience them, cost them money. These demonstrations we have here, with permits (which sort of negates the whole ‘protest’ aspect of them, really are not effective.

Do we even know how many people died in Katrina? I have never heard an official number.

96. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Well between Martin at Riverside Church, April 1967 and Malcolm’s speech Bullet or the Ballot in ’64, it was all said then.

97. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Well in Mexico it is openly discussed, certainly in the wake of the last election, that the Left will never be permitted to win national elections.

Of course such sanity is heresy here. We endorse the party line. OVerall. As more and more drop out, decline to state, withhold the vote, etc.

But the bulk – LOL enough of a bulk – will support. Even in the face of war and open collusion for endless war and denial of rights, across the globe and at home.

98. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

I disagree here – this is a stereotype and a dangerous one. It has some truth to it but not enough.

How is it dangerous? I’m not going to dig up research about male v female biology/sexuality to prove that men and women are wired differently. It’s obviously true, which you don’t dispute, and that’s all I stated.

99. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Whatever it’s faults, it sure beat reading another Rove/Craig/Hillary etc. diary.

I agree but I still think it was out of place.

100. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Marisacat, maybe Mexicans are more sane because they have suffered more? I don’t know, but it seems that as long as people are comfortable they are more likely to be apathetic. It’s not an excuse, but I think, eg, if the economy totally collapsed here, there would be way more anger than there is at all the atrocities they are aware of, but that don’t really touch them personally.

Many people do get it, and can empathize with the suffering of others, but not enough. For example, reading Harry Reid’s statement, it’s obvious he is out of touch with how angry the base of the party is.

I saw that even with Russ Feingold when he posted his diary at DK trying to calm everyone down after the Fisa vote. He is smart and aware, and yet he said all the wrong things in that diary. I would have expected him to know better. But he didn’t. They live in a bubble and spend too much in DC instead of with the people. Even the smartest of them don’t seem to really know that the people are not as unaware as they were.

101. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Catnip, is that diary on the FP? What is the title?

102. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

No, Sabrina. We’re talking about this one at dkos.

103. bayprairie - 31 August 2007

reviews of de palma’s redacted beginning to roll in from venice.

Shot with a cast of unknown actors on high-definition video cameras, it is about a small group of bored, restless US soldiers stationed at a checkpoint in Samarra.

They are impatient with the war’s progress, distrustful of all Iraqis (even the children) and eager to go home. Two of them concoct a plot for the group to revisit a household recently raided in a search for insurgents, and to rape the family’s 15-year-old daughter. In a chilling finale they do the deed, but their mission also ends in multiple murder.

::snip::

The director calls the film ‘a fictional story inspired by true events,’ and insists everything depicted has really happened.

104. moiv - 31 August 2007

Re: the How to Pick Up Chicks diary.

If she was one of my patients, she wouldn’t be leaving the building without a solid referral for follow-up therapy. That assessment wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with her abortion, although it might have a great deal to do with why she needed it.

105. bayprairie - 31 August 2007

was osama really at my crawfish boil? we’re lucky to be alive!

In 28 years of raising chickens, Virgil Shockley has had his share of worries, from bird disease to pollution. But nothing prepared him for the latest concern sweeping the poultry industry: Local farms could be deemed terrorist targets by the U.S. government.

:::snip:::

…nestled in the grass between his sheds are rows of large propane tanks, used to heat the chicken houses. They fall under regulations recently proposed by the Department of Homeland Security for the chemical industry. Like many others in the $1.6 billion Delmarva poultry industry, Shockley can’t imagine that a propane tank could pose a threat in that rural area.

hide the nitrous oxide NOW.

106. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Death at a Distance: The US Air War

The result of the stepped up air war, according to the London-based organization Iraq Body Count, is an increase in civilian casualties. A Lancet study of “excess deaths” caused by the Iraq war found that air attacks were responsible for 13% of the deaths – 76,000 as of June 2006 – and that 50% of the deaths of children under 15 were caused by air strikes.

107. supervixen - 31 August 2007

lcatnip: How is it dangerous? I’m not going to dig up research about male v female biology/sexuality to prove that men and women are wired differently. It’s obviously true, which you don’t dispute, and that’s all I stated.

I do dispute it, and no, it’s not “obviously true”. As a statement, it’s fuzzy enough to be like the Latinate guy’s comment, i.e., simplistic crap. Even if “research” suggests that men TEND to be different from women, that is far different from saying “men are different from women”.

This kind of stereotype is dangerous because it sets up the entire human race into two different camps which are alien to each other. “Wired differently” from each other. The focus is on the difference, not what they share as basic human qualities.

Even something that’s generally considered a “given” – biological differences between the genders – is malleable when you look at individuals instead of generalizing across a huge population.

Saying “Men and women are wired differently” is much the same as saying “Men are stronger than women”.

108. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Thanks Catnip –

Bayprairie, the director ‘insists everything depicted has really happened’. I don’t think they could make a movie that could be worse than the real life events were. There were two published incidents. The Haditha story, and there was another where several children were killed, including a baby, shot in the head. There were more victims in that incident airc.

Horror beyond imagination and still, not much reaction. What I’ve noticed is that when I try to talk to friends about these situations, they don’t react very much, or don’t want to talk about them. Especially friends who voted for Bush. It’s crazy, but many of my friends and some family members did vote for him. They are pretty silent though, on the atrocities he’s unleashed on the world. I think they are ashamed of having voted for him, I don’t know really.

The sad thing is, and I’m very torn about it, they are good people, not typical rightwings. I can’t fathom why they ever thought he was worth anything. It’s very confusting to me, to be honest, and I nearly stopped speaking to my sister after the 2004 election over it.

109. moiv - 31 August 2007

Gotta love the look on Virgil’s face.

If poultry farmers’ propane is a threat to national security, I guess we’d better batten down the hatches at the clinic, because our N2O tanks will make us prime suspects.

Thanks a lot, bay. You just wrote the next TRAP law. ;-)

110. moiv - 31 August 2007

The Haditha story, and there was another where several children were killed, including a baby, shot in the head. There were more victims in that incident airc.

I remember seeing some photos from that one, with the children laid out in a row, the smallest one with its brain spilling out of its skull.

And no, no one wants to talk about it.

111. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Saying “Men and women are wired differently” is much the same as saying “Men are stronger than women”.

That’s not logical. Saying “Men and women are wired differently” means exactly that – not what you might extrapolate from it based on your assumptions of what you think I mean.

This kind of stereotype is dangerous because it sets up the entire human race into two different camps which are alien to each other. “Wired differently” from each other. The focus is on the difference, not what they share as basic human qualities.

I just stated a fact. Are you going to take this line of reasoning one step further and say we’re all the same? We’re not – biologically. Why does that then have to lead into a male v female conflict as if there’s no common ground? Did I say there weren’t similarities? No.

Imho, you’ve projected your opinions into what you think are mine. Where did I even state an opinion about the differences when I made that “wired differently” statement? I didn’t. All I did say was that how a person chooses to deal with that it their issue. How is that “dangerous”?

112. bayprairie - 31 August 2007

its macabre that some americans will learn to IMAGINE the horrors of the war from a simulation that replicates an actual happenstance. my god i hope people don’t watch it eating popcorn.

if a simulation of horror changes minds, is that legitimate?

one thing is for sure. this country is mad.

113. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

Supervixen asked:

By the way, where did you decide to go – Troncones or Barra de Potosi? Or some other place?

Troncones is the place to be! Thanks ever so much!

114. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

#77 Catnip:

some of the men in the thread feel that they have to apologize for the fact that they are men.

I actually apologise for being a human being, not a man. I actually saw a polar bear in the wild and wanted to apologise to the poor creature for being a member of the species that has, by causing global warming, doomed his species to extinction.

Maybe we can make partial amends to the polar bears by giving them Christopher Hitchens as a chew toy.

Yes, I advocated letting polar bears maul Hitchens. Don’t tell me it’s not what all of you were thinking.

115. Shadowthief - 1 September 2007

#79–MITM:

2,500 to 3,000 Mexicans = 250-300 “people”. It’s the brown people-to-white people conversion ratio. Ten brown people = one white person. Same reason the American people joyfully traded the deaths of 3,000 of their people on 11 September 2001 for the deaths of 30,000 Afghanis who never did them a bit of harm.

And so it goes.

116. marisacat - 1 September 2007

Yes, I advocated letting polar bears maul Hitchens. Don’t tell me it’s not what all of you were thinking. SThief

LOL i grew up with a Mother who used to say when a wild animal attacked, lashed out at, etc., at a human, Nature got One!

117. bayprairie - 1 September 2007

I guess we’d better batten down the hatches at the clinic, because our N2O tanks will make us prime suspects.

if you guys need a safe place to stash the nitrous bottles just let me know, i’ll be more than happy to stash it for you.

oh, and i’ll need a mask.

be very smoooooth with a little titos on ice!

or a lot.

118. supervixen - 1 September 2007

Brian de Palma isn’t the guy you want to have doing a film of that story. He’s a soulless, violent-minded hack.

Sabrina:

Horror beyond imagination and still, not much reaction. What I’ve noticed is that when I try to talk to friends about these situations, they don’t react very much, or don’t want to talk about them. Especially friends who voted for Bush. It’s crazy, but many of my friends and some family members did vote for him. They are pretty silent though, on the atrocities he’s unleashed on the world. I think they are ashamed of having voted for him, I don’t know really.

A friend of mine grew up in Germany during WW2 and the ensuing 1950s and says that the Germans felt the same way about Hitler. People just “went along with it”. It wasn’t that they approved of what was happening – they were in a kind of trance. They spent the years after the war wondering what had possessed them.

She lives here now and she despises Bush, and is growing to despise the Democrats too.

It must be remembered that percentagewise, not as many Germans voted for Hitler as Americans voted for Bush.

119. Shadowthief - 1 September 2007

Re: The seasalt diary.

I don’t know this person at all; I’m not as thoroughly familiar with all things Kossackian as some of you, so I judged that one diary, which may or may not be typical of her writing.

I found it indulgent and, more to the point, completely out of place on a “political” blog. Never was a fan of blogging-as-therapy. I’ve seen (and am seeing) people do that, and it never, ever leads to a good result.

120. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2007

I found it indulgent and, more to the point, completely out of place on a “political” blog.

In other news, I’ve decided to get married. Send those applications in now!

121. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2007

It wasn’t that they approved of what was happening – they were in a kind of trance.

And that is what I fear is happening in America. As I’ve said before, it’s like a perpetual state of shock. When you pile up everything the Bush administration has done, it’s just incredible there hasn’t been an actual revolution – not the faux Bowers “netroots” type – but a real rebellion in the streets.

122. Shadowthief - 1 September 2007

If we’re going to get deeply personal on this blog, I shall post pictures of all of my pets, beginning with the marvellous Golden Retriever I had when I was a boy and working my way up to the latest cat. I have a Very Special Story behind each one. Plus lots of Precious Childhood Memories, each one more gagworthy than the last.

123. supervixen - 1 September 2007

112, bay: its macabre that some americans will learn to IMAGINE the horrors of the war from a simulation that replicates an actual happenstance. my god i hope people don’t watch it eating popcorn.

if a simulation of horror changes minds, is that legitimate?

That was one of my big problems with Schindler’s List.

It goes in the other direction too. I saw Independence Day in a theater (goddess knows why, probably it was hot out and we were desperate for some airconditioning) and was horrified by the delighted cheers and chirps from the audience as various major landmarks were blown up in gigantic fireballs. YAY! Fun!

If this is what we consider to be “entertainment”, we shouldn’t be surprised when we get it in real life.

When witnesses of 9/11 were interviewed and were saying “It was just like a movie!” I realized there was a huge disconnect. They were living it as if they were watching a movie.

124. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 September 2007

Don’t know if you saw this, marisacat, but I think Peeder’s blog is giving a lot of people an opportunity to say what they think. No one dared, even if it was what the felt, to say anything positive about previous members who were banned by DK. That’s the problem with bullying though, it does not change people’s minds, it just keeps the bullies ignorant of what people really think.

Susan Something is someone I noticed on DK as an excellent poster, so a compliment from her means a lot to me. This is a very nice compliment from her and just thought everyone here should see it in case they missed it over there.

Politicalfleshfeast

Ask and you shall receive – lol (4.33 / 3)

Don’t any of you have friends who are TUs? Hidden comment are posted here, scroll down to about post #22.

marisacat’s blog

by sabrina @ Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 16:52:27 PM PDT
[ Parent | Respond to this Idiocy ]

**********

God I love Marisacat’s (4.83 / 6)

Such good writers, news coverage, things to learn or consider, great adult rapport, and of course I personally find the BBB/dkos observations and commentary of high interest and amusement.
So many on dkos read and write about goings-on on other blogs, why are they surprised that they too would be observed and written about, most especially by people whose voices they have eliminated by using the subhuman troll label, and when they are trying to become a powerful force in “progressive” politics?

Since I don’t post on Mcat’s, it’s a good opportunity for me now to tell ALL of you there how much I appreciate the good reading, the astute and witty observations of our weird blogworld, and how glad I am so many of you are here.

More compliments for Peeder will be forthcoming, when I can figure out how to do it without looking like a kissass. (but Peeder while I’m at it, I love the text/formatting change you made to the front page yesterday I think)

by Susan Something @ Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 19:16:00 PM PDT

************

Why don’t you post there? nt (4.33 / 3)

by startingover @ Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 19:30:06 PM PDT

*************

good question (5.00 / 2)

but I’m boring myself to tears thinking of the long list of reasons, I’m sure as hell not going to bore you too. But I will say for now that if the threads were nested over there, I’d be more likely to jump in. Don’t really know what the big deal is, this kind of format is just very appealing and accessible to me. Don’t really love the limelight.
Maybe I will post there sometime if the mood strikes, but I’m mostly content reading there, and it is time-consuming!

I’ve been waiting since Peeder left dk for him to start this site. He never said anything, I just knew he would, and should, and could. Took long enough though.

Thanks for asking ;) I’m wondering who you are.

by Susan Something @ Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 23:54:34 PM PDT

***************

When I was at Dkos (4.33 / 3)

while still an unregistered lurker for a year or so, I was immediately drawn to Mcat and Madman in particular as I found them both incredibly incisive and natural allies. When they started front paging at LSF I read regularly and then I lost track of Mcat for a while when she left. It wasn’t until the whole DD ‘outing’ that I even realized she had her own blog… very happy I found it. And yes – I find the conversation there to be one of the best example of adult conversation on the web. When people disagree, they read what the other person wrote instead of just spouting off a pre-recorded screed.

by lucid @ Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 19:43:45 PM PDT

125. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2007

Does that mean I have to crochet Susan Something a lanyard?

126. bayprairie - 1 September 2007

if the reality of the event, as reported in the media, doesn’t cut through the ringtones, what does it say about us, as ‘mercun humans, that it takes a movie to do so? if thats even possible.

isn’t it a sign of how mad the collective “we” are?

or is it a sly way to fuck the military censorship?

127. Shadowthief - 1 September 2007

#123, re: the film Independence Day.

People only cheered the destruction of Los Angeles. But then again, they always do. Mike Davis, the author of “City of Quartz”, has an excellent chapter in “Ecology of Fear” about the many, many ways writers and filmmakers have imagined the obliteration of Los Angeles. There is a certain logic to just wiping out the place, Sodom and Gomorrah style, and starting afresh. I just hope that Tito’s Tacos survives the holocaust.

The loss of New York City in science fiction is always considered a tragic blow for American culture and human civilisation in general, whereas the destruction of Los Angeles is considered a blow for the advancement of he same.

128. marisacat - 1 September 2007

New thread

LINK

129. marisacat - 1 September 2007

Oh Sabrina,

thanks for posting that… I had seen the comment from Susan SOmething, but not the continuation of the sub thread.. ;)

That is very nice…

********************

SV

ugh I hated Schindler’s List. I thought it collapsed at several points in the story. And I deeply resented that whatshisname (who supports Arnold and publically supported him in the re-eelction) got an absolution to depict violence, as the hOlocaust so trumps any other story of human suffering on earth.

I just found the whole thing dripped of complex commercialism masked as honoring people who died horrific state engineered deaths. I had a long list of problems iwth it.

130. Shadowthief - 1 September 2007

I’ve been warning Peeder not to mess about with his own success. One bit that has to go is Peeder promoting diaries to the frontpage. That smacks of “management” and I cautioned him that means playing favourites and we all know where that leads…cliques and the proprietor throwing his weight behind one clique or the other. I hope Peeder realises that he’s gathered together one of the motliest crews ever to populate the blogosphere, and if he crosses us, we’ll slit his throat and hoist the black flag. Or does hoisting the black flag come before slitting the throat of the captain? I would’ve made an absolutely terrible pirate.

One thing I’ve noticed is that MLW appears to be a bit of a ghost town these days. I find it ironic that MSOC was trying to “rescue” her blog by banishing people, and instead killed what was left of it by giving Peeder the final impetus to start PFF. And of course MSOC got double-crossed: all those Kossuckatonians who ran over to MLW screaming for Francis L. Holland’s blood and swearing eternal fealty to MLW (“I’d post ever so many diaries and comments here, Blogmom, if only you would get rid of that nasty Francis L. Holland person!”) have disappeared from her site, returning to the Big Orange Mothership with “mission accomplished”. Turns out that Holland’s diaries were driving traffic to her site: now Holland is free to post at Pff.com, which has more potential readers than MLW ever did, and MLW’s numbers have tanked so badly that MSOC has removed the Sitemetre to avoid embarrassing revelations.

Eh, I’m getting dizzy from all this meta. Basta!

131. bayprairie - 1 September 2007

Does that mean I have to crochet Susan Something a lanyard?

yeah, i think so. don’t you?

132. supervixen - 1 September 2007

SThief:

Troncones is the place to be!

Cool! The sunsets are amazing.

I did tell you that it’s advisable to rent a car? If you’re staying for longer than a few days, and you want to take a look at Zihua and/or Ixtapa, it would be a good thing.

Otherwise you can just bask on the beach all day and then wander along to the little seaside restaurants at night. Some of them have pools because the surf can be difficult to swim in.

This place is the local tourist trap but is actually good. They have an impressive folkloric dance show on weekends (Saturday?)

133. liberalcatnip - 1 September 2007

Well at least I don’t have to crochet another jockstrap…I’m just sayin’.

134. Marie - 1 September 2007

Marisa – ugh I hated Schindler’s List. Knew we had something else in common. Then again, in general I dislike Spielberg movies, although I didn’t see Munich which sounded as if it might have some depth. Also hated the “English Patient,” but decided to give the book a try. Not something I normally do — tend to steer clear of movies based on books I’ve read and liked and vice versa. In the case of the “English Patient,” didn’t like the book any better but reading it was less tortuous than watching the movie.

135. supervixen - 1 September 2007

MCat – re Schindler’s List, yes, it was cheap kitsch, with a heavily voyeuristic side.

The camera peering through the peephole into the gas chamber and observing the naked, frightened victims (who were miraculously NOT KILLED – not then – ha ha, it was really only a shower! “ONLY A MOVIE!”)

Fake emotions. It’s all the guy knows.

Roman Polanski, for all his faults, is a much more human person, hence a better artist, and The Pianist is far superior to the other film.

136. marisacat - 1 September 2007

SV

I loved The Pianist – the last film I saw in a theatre, which is how I really like to see films. TV is OK but a theatre is best…


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 168 other followers

%d bloggers like this: