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Extermination 17 September 2007

Posted by marisacat in Beirut, California / Pacific Coast, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.
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  Photograph from memorial publication of El Semanal, Spain, 2002

photograph from El Semanal, a 2002 memorial publication for the massacre at the Sabra and Chatila camps, inside Lebanon.

I remember how the news broke, at least the news of it that I read… from a Norwegian film crew… tipped off.  They waited and watched the Christian Phalange militiamen enter the camp..

It’s a very beautiful fall day here in Beirut today. Twenty-five years ago this week since the massacre at the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra-Shatilla. Bright blue sky and a fall breeze. It actually rained last night.  Enough to clean out some of the humidity and dust.  Fortunately not enough to make the usual rain created swamp of sewage and filth on Rue Sabra, or flood the grassless burial ground of the mass grave (the camp residents named it Martyrs Square, one of several so named memorials now in Lebanon) where you once told me that on Sunday September 19, 1982, you watched, sickened, as families and Red Crescent workers created a subterranean mountain of butchered and bullet-riddled victims from those 48 hours of slaughter. Some of the bodies had limbs and heads chopped off, some boys castrated, Christian crosses carved into some of the bodies. 

I have left out the worst of the remembrance of the killing.  It is in the article,  a poignant letter to the woman mentioned above, who watched that day… when the fury of the killing was over.

Since you went away, the main facts of the massacre remain the same as your research uncovered in the months that followed. At that time your findings were the most detailed and accurate as to what occurred and who was responsible.

The old 7-storey Kuwaiti Embassy from where Sharon, Eytan, Yaron, Elie Hobeika, Fradi Frem and others maintained radio contact and monitored the 48 hours of carnage with a clear view into the camps was torn down years ago. A new one has been built and they are still constructing a mosque on its grounds.

I am sorry to report that today in Lebanon, the families of the victims of the massacre daily sink deeper into the abyss. No where on earth do the Palestinians live in such filth and squalor. ‘Worse than Gaza!” a journalist recently in Palestine exclaims.

A 2005 Lebanese law that was to open up access to some of the 77 professions the Palestinians have been barred from in Lebanon had no effect.  Their social, economic, political, and legal status continues to worsen.

Just a little more, to bring it forward..

Remember that fellow you once screamed at and called a butcher outside of Phalange HQ in East Beirut, Joseph Haddad?  At the time he denied everything as he looked you straight in the eye and made the sign of the cross.   Well, he did finally confess 22 years later, around the time of his youngest daughter’s confirmation in his local parish. Your suspicions were indeed correct. His unit, the second to enter the camp, had been supplied with cocaine, hashish and alcohol to increase their courage. He and others gave their stories to Der Spiegel and various documentary film makers.

Many of the killers now freely admit that they conducted  a  three-day orgy of rape and slaughter that left hundreds, as many as 3,500 they claim, possibly more, of innocent civilians dead in what is considered the bloodiest single incident of the Arab-Israeli conflict and a crime for which Israel will be condemned for eternity.

Your friend, Um Ahmad, still lives in the same house where she lost her husband, four sons and a daughter when Joseph, a thick-set militiaman carrying an assault rifle bundled everyone into one room of their hovel and opened fire. She still explains like it was yesterday, how the condoned slaughter unfolded, recalling each of her four sons by name, Nizar, Shadi, Farid and Nidal. I asked Joseph if he wanted to sit with Um Ahmad and seek forgiveness and possible redemption since has now become a lay cleric in his Parish.   He declined but sent his condolences with flowers.

It never goes away, as it is still happening:

Do you remember Janet, how we used to walk down Rue Sabra from Gaza Hospital to Akka Hospital during the 75-day Israeli siege in ’82, as you used to say “to see my people”?  Gaza Hospital is gone now. Occupied and stripped by the Syrian-backed Amal militia during the Camp Wars of ’85-87. Its remaining rooms are now packed with refugees.

One old lady who ended up there recited how it’s her 4th home since being forced from Palestine in 1948.  She survived the Phalangist attack on and destruction of Tel a Zaatar camp in 1976 fled from the Fatah al Islam Salafists in Nahr al Bared Camp in May of this year and wore out her welcome at the teeming and overwhelmed Bedawi camp near Tripoli last month.

To make certain the re-telling has not a drop of cool water nor breath of air:

Janet Lee Stevens was born in 1951 and died on April 18, 1983, at the age of 32, at the instant of the explosion which destroyed the American Embassy in Beirut.  Twenty minutes before the blast, Janet had arrived at the Embassy to meet with US A.I.D. official Bill McIntyre because she wanted to advocate for more aid to the Shia of South Lebanon  and for the  Palestinians at  Sabra, Shatilla, and Burg al Burajneh camps,  stemming from Israel’s 1982 invasion and the  September 15-18 massacre.  As they sat at a table in the cafeteria, where she had planned to ask why the US government has never even lodged a protest following the Israeli invasion or the Massacre, a van stolen from the Embassy the previous June  arrived and parked just in front of the Embassy.  Almost directly in front of the cafeteria.  It contained 2,000 pounds of explosives. It was detonated by remote control and tons of concrete pancaked on top of Janet and Bill, killing 63 and wounding 120.  

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While I was at Counterpunch I noticed a good piece on the recent events at UC at Irvine…  it’s always good to remember that Joe Lieberman is very much a leader in the 21st century, post 9/11 Democratic party.  Here is a very pointed snip:

This is the latest chapter in the post September 11 attack on academic freedom under the guise of protecting security.   Two weeks after 9/11, former White House spokeman Ari Fleischer cautioned Americans “they need to watch what they say, watch what they do.”  The American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a group founded by Lynne Cheney and Senator Joe Lieberman, accused universities of being the weak link in the war on terror; it included the names of 117 “un-American” professors, students and staff members.  A few months later, a blacklisting Internet cite called Campus Watch was launched.  It publishes dossiers on scholars who criticize U.S. Middle East policy and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.  Earlier this year, the Bruin Alumni Association at UCLA offered students $100 to tape left-wing professors.

Really, I have nothing in common with these people.  Any of them.

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While we are on the fundies, of all stripes, Tom Dispatch has a post up, interview with James Carroll of the Boston Globe, he is also the son of the founding director of the DIA… here is something to gag on your Breakfast of Champions over:

Carroll: Yes, what happened there was striking. Take just this example: A couple of years ago, Mel Gibson’s film, The Passion of the Christ rendered in profoundly fundamentalist ways, most terribly, the death of Jesus as caused by “the Jews,” not the Romans. In that movie, Pilate is a good guy; the Jewish high priest the villain. Gibson justified this by saying it was how the Gospels tell the story, which is literally true. A fundamentalist reading of the Gospel story ignores what we know from history and from scientific inquiry and analysis of the Gospels. It wasn’t “the Jews” who murdered Jesus, it was the Romans, pure and simple.

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And then that film was featured at the United States Air Force Academy. Its commanders made it clear that every one of the cadets, over 4,000 of them, was supposed to see that movie. Repeatedly over a week, every time cadets went into H. H. Arnold mess hall, they found fliers on their dinner plates announcing that this movie was being shown. I saw posters that said: “See the Passion of the Christ” and “This is an official Air Force Academy event, do not remove this poster.”

As a result of that film, there was an outbreak of pressure, practically coercion, by born-again evangelical Christians aimed at non-Christian cadets and, in a special way, at Jews. This went on for months and when the whistle was blown by a Jewish cadet and his father, the Air Force denied it, tried to cover it up. Yale University sent a team from the Yale Divinity School to investigate. They issued a devastating report. The commander at the academy was finally removed; the Air Force was forced to acknowledge that there was a problem. [I cannot believe much, if anything, changed  — Mcat]

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In the Pentagon today, there is active proselytizing by Christian groups that is allowed by the chain of command. When your superior expects you to show up at his prayer breakfast, you may not feel free to say no. It’s not at all clear what will happen to your career. He writes your efficiency report. And the next thing you know, you have, in the culture of the Pentagon, more and more active religious outreach.

Imagine, then, a military motivated by an explicit Christian, missionizing impulse at the worst possible moment in our history, because we’re confronting an enemy — and yes, we do have an enemy: fringe, fascist, nihilist extremists coming out of the Islamic world — who define the conflict entirely in religious terms. They, too, want to see this as a new “crusade.” That’s the language that Osama bin Laden uses. For the United States of America at this moment to allow its military to begin to wear the badges of a religious movement is a disaster!

Don’t have to imagine it, we have it...  Honestly, i am more worried about the enemy within than without.

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1. lucid - 17 September 2007

God – I thought it would take more than 3 days for that blog to fall apart…

I must thank you all… I might have made a serious mistake had I not found this place.

2. marisacat - 17 September 2007

when Armando was on board, it was a given. I remember when it broke over at Windsock’s… that he was an admin and that it had been a secret. Signal event. She loped along, but that was a big break.

Good luck to them all, at core these are boring people.

3. Marie - 17 September 2007

ST #186 previous thread. Bush/Cheney tried that same thing with Saddam and it didn’t work. For some reason they thought that Saddam and now think the Ayatollah are as stupid as they are. OBL (or somone) baited us into Afghanistan (not that we expended many resources on that) and our primary accomplishment there was to increase opium production. Iran won’t bite. Then Bush/Cheney “patience” will run out and they’ll bomb the shit out of Iran.

Have concluded that the Clarkies circa 2007 are more insane than they were in 2003. Clark publishes and Op-Ed (Wapo if you’re interested), someone writes a diary critical of it and the Clarkies run in and scream foul — that the diarist wasn’t critiquing the Op-Ed but Clark for having endorsed Hilllary. A dittohead is a dittohead regardless of which political party they affiliate with. I made an effort to shoot these idiots down but had to stop because there are too many of them to fend off (the diarist may also have walked away from it).

4. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

hopefully this will piss somebody off… http://politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=366

5. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Marie:

There was a person posting on The Smirking Chimp (the blog still exists, but it long ago degenerated into a piece of crap) who gave his real name and address in all of his blog postings. BIG Clark supporter.

I checked on the fellow and learned that, despite his protestations to the contrary, he was not only a registered Republican Party member (in Idaho), but also a Republican Party ACTIVIST.

All of which is fine, unless you post 100 times that you are a “liberal Democratic Party activist”. I found a photograph, online, of the fellow accepting a citation from the GOP statewide chair in Idaho for his work!

That person now has multiple identities on DailyKos.

I’ve long since given up such sleuthing. If you can’t tell who the party operatives are within five minutes of reading their posts, you’re just not paying attention.

Armando is a “made man” for a reason, and the reason is that he serves a purpose. A lot of people may psychologise about the need to have an abusive person in their lives (and the mistaken notion that if a person is difficult and temperamental, he MUST be a genius), but for me, it comes down to how useful a person is to the Democratic or Republican Party. Any bad behaviour will be tolerated, even encouraged, so long as it’s in the service of the interests of one party or another.

I’m not certain which party Armando is working for, actually.

But I am certain that Armando is a tool :)

6. marisacat - 17 September 2007

I think Clark is, no news, a Clinton operative, but also he has long been used to attract a certain type of authoritarian, Republican mode, to the DP.

Gee what news.

Online they all seemed to be operatives, or close to, imo. And not to forget that Kos was part and parcel of one of the Draft Clark movements. DHinMI was the MI chair – and hid that at Dkos. Armando, what more need be said, really.

And so on.

In real life I only knew two Clark supporters, both invested in rigid hierarchies. One, a US citizen but from an old French mil family, the other classic Fillipina, tied to the hierarchical system in the Phillipines.

Clark worked for them… LOL

7. wu ming - 17 September 2007

wait, shadowthief, are you talking about bughead? interesting.

8. supervixen - 17 September 2007

Clark is the very definition of “vapid”. I’ve seen game show hosts with more substance.

9. lucid - 17 September 2007

The whole ‘Clarkiness’ of Dkos bugged me significantly from the get go – and one of the primary reasons I didn’t register & comment until the day after the 2004 election. I’d read a fair amount about Clark – enough to have formed a pretty solidly negative perception of him – and was aghast that anyone bringing up facts from his history was immediately descended upon by an angry mob.

But I am certain that Armando is a tool

Personally, I find tools more useful than aravia. He’s more like a rusting jalopy in a junkyard.

10. Marie - 17 September 2007

I saw Clark on C-Span interviewing someone who iirc had once written favorably about the US intervention in Bosnia but I think in this appearance he was pitching a new book (but I could be wrong on that last point). Anyway, I most definitely didn’t think highly of Clark before I watched this and my opinion of him went way down after that interview. He lit up like a Christmas tree when talking about Bosnia and was so pleased with journalists, like the one he was interviewing, for having been supportive of that intervention which he then compared with how poorly the military had been treated by the press during the Vietnam War. Now from that how am I to conclude that the man doesn’t like war?

ST – very interesting. So many people are so gullible whenever anyone reinforces their poorly informed opinions. The koslings have been completely paraniod for years about Rove dirty tricks and it never occurs to them that dKos is an excellent forum for an operative.

HC made the most perceptive comment the other day that a large number of men in this country are suckers for military officers. Must be that identification with a “big swinging dick.”

11. dkosser - 17 September 2007

HC

from previous thread:

re: moon probably isn’t Elias…..still might be though, there;s an outside chance!…..haha!

damn and we’re supposed to take your opinions on more serious matterz…uh….seriously!….haha!

but what about noom? can you be certain who he/she really is?

12. marisacat - 17 September 2007

dkosser

keep the fig leaves baby… LOL not like it matters.

13. dkosser - 17 September 2007

love song for marisa:

She has a moist vagina
I particularly enjoy the circumference
I’ll be sucking the warts off her anus
I prefer her to any other
Marijuana

She had a moist vagina
I prefered her to any other

marisa my Marijuana

heh

14. marisacat - 17 September 2007

dkosser

you appear to have stored up a lot of animus. Really, you have been treated gently here.

No reason for that to continue. None that I see.

15. lucid - 17 September 2007

My, some bathroom stall poetry. I hear Britney’s in need of some new songs, perhaps you should contact her management.

16. Sabrina - 17 September 2007

Heh, well, I can use it, since we haven’t yet finished our investigation into the origin of the word and who holds the copyright. Catnip has fallen down on the job.

Anyway, it’s a good thing I didn’t know you all in 2004. I did support Clark at first. I was on the rightwing board at the time, and when he announced he was running, it blew them away as they were totally indoctrinated into their belief that Democrats ‘hate the military’.

With the ABB feeling at the time, I crossed off the list anyone who had supported the war by voting for it. I never even looked at them again.

It came down to Dean and Clark for a while and both were at the top of my list, mostly because neither had voted for the war. Kucinich didn’t have a chance. Very different mindset back then in the country.

The rightwingers, finding out for the first time, that there actually were Democrats in the military or with military backgrounds, then began attacking his war record. If it bothered them, it was fine by me. But looking back, I remember that they kept saying Kerry would be nominee. One of them especially, who I think was a very activist Republican and thoroughly obnoxious. I laughed, because Kerry wasn’t even on the radar screen then. But the rightwingers had lots of material ready to go after him with, they said. And they couldn’t wait.

I wonder now what they knew that we didn’t know when Kerry was at 3% in the polls.

17. marisacat - 17 September 2007

I think the location of Boston for the convention betrayed wehre the Dems were headed. Really they are a remarkably stupid one dimensional party.

Also McAuliffe and Carville pushed Kerry relentlessly, Edwards to a lesser degree. That sort and te party establishment ws opposed to Dean from the get-go.

Kerry just had no traction til Iowa…

One reason other than to wwatch the game I don’t bother anymore. They can ram thru whomever they please. And have quieted ALL naysayers in the party.

They will be lining up for Hillary, I don’t see that much difference in the country, not deep down.

2012 might be interesting. We’ll see.

18. Sabrina - 17 September 2007

Well, I didn’t consider Edwards as he had voted for the war. I remember watching ‘Road to the WH’ on C-Span and seeing Lieberman wandering around a mall somewhere and no one was interested.

Kerry’s footage was no better. Just a few people here and there whenever he showed up.

Thinking back most of the excitement was around Dean and later Clark for a while. But the primaries ended before they ever got to NY and I remember the feeling I had re switching to Kerry. I just didn’t want to do it, but what choice was there?

He had some very agressive people online, at least at Alternet, back then. Very annoying as no one was interested in him. So, I suppose it does prove that what the people want is of no significance to them.

I agree regarding Hillary – looks like the choice has already been made.

So depressing.

19. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

Gee… ya think an email on the “Condo Mailing List” went out:

DocuDrahma:

Some thoughts on the new AG nominee, Michael Mukasey
by: A. Chandler Moisen
Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 23:14:07 PM PDT

(Topical enough for the afternoon? Hello, Fall. Sorry I’m late with this, crew… (FP’ed at 12:50 pm, PDT, September 17, 2007) – promoted by exmearden)

First, I’ll confess a minor bias in favor of federal judges. I’ve clerked for federal judges, and I’ve had personal interactions with quite a few of them. By no means are they all perfect, but compared to the politicians from the other two branches of government, I think they deserve a much higher degree of regard.

That said, I think liberals could do much, much worse than Michael Mukasey as AG. He’s not an idiot like Gonzo, and he’s not a partisan hack like Ted Olson or Lawrence Silberman.

Daily Slop:

Why we shouldn’t b**ch if the Democrats confirm Mukasey
by taylormattd
Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 04:16:17 PM PDT

Boring Left:

Don’t Expect A Big Fight Over Mukasey’s Confirmation
by: Chris Bowers
Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 12:04:43 PM EDT

So, basically, Mukasey is a right-winger, but everyone they nominate will be a right-winger, and at least Mukcasey stuck it to the Bush administration by upholding legal standard in the Padilla case. This will result in mixed messaging coming from both the left and the right, and as such no negative conventional wisdom will be formed around Mukcasey.

Unless there is some sort of smoking gun or major skeleton found in Mukcasey’s closet, it looks like his nomination will be a done deal. These battles are frequently won and lost in the first twenty-four hours, and right now it looks like he is winning handily.

“Glenn”

There is no question that Judge Mukasey, a Reagan appointee who served as the Chief Judge for the Southern District of New York before retiring recently, is close to the far right on the judicial spectrum. He undoubtedly holds many legal and political views which most Democrats would find objectionable, perhaps even intolerable. But that will be true of any nominee Bush selects, and it is true of the current Acting Attorney General, Paul Clement, who will remain in place if no nominee is confirmed.

I want to highlight one extremely relevant consideration concerning Judge Mukasey — the impressive role he played in presiding over the Jose Padilla case in its earliest stages. After Padilla was first detained in April 2002 and declared an “enemy combatant,” he was held incommunicado, denied all access to the outside the world, including counsel, and the Bush administration refused to charge him with any crimes.

“Ezra”

Mukasey In The Hall Of Mirrors

By Neil the Ethical Werewolf

The early word is that Bush will nominate Michael Mukasey for Attorney General. You can read Jeralyn Merritt’s post on his history of rulings, Steve Benen’s post on how he’s regarded by groups on the left and right, or look at his Wikipedia page. Unfortunately, much of the information out there now is of the strange hall-of-mirrors form where you want to like him because right-wing bloggers are disappointed with him because Chuck Schumer and Nan Aron like him.

Putting everything together, he looks like a staunch conservative, but one who will be independent enough to not let Bush get away with Gonzales-era politicization of the judicial system.

“Jeralyn”

Michael Mukasey May Be Named AG Monday
By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Sun Sep 16, 2007 at 09:23:00 AM EST
Tags: Mukasey (all tags)

Bump and Update: President Bush may announce Mukasey as Attorney General on Monday. Glenn Greenwald has a lot more analysis, particularly on his role in the Padilla case.

“The Carpetbagger”

Oddly enough, Mukasey’s principal problem, should he be the nominee, is that he may draw fire from the right, not the left.

For one thing, conservatives wanted Olson, not just because of his record as a conservative ideologue, but also because the right relished a high-profile fight with Senate Democrats over the Attorney General vacancy. Conservatives don’t care about “confirmable”; they care about partisan warfare.

But more importantly, the right doesn’t perceive Mukasey as “one of them.”

“Conservatives might have some serious concerns with Mukasey,” said one Republican close to the White House. “He’s not well known in the community.”

Even worse, the progressive legal community doesn’t seem to hate him too much. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has been encouraging White House counsel Fred Fielding for a Mukasey nomination, and the Alliance for Justice, a liberal legal group, suggested in 2005 that Mukasey would be a conservative-but-fair Supreme Court nominee.

These are not exactly the kind of accolades conservatives want to hear.

Yglesias:

This is already dull conventional wisdom, but it seems to me that the rumored new guy at the Justice Department, Michael Mukasey, stands a good chance of rescuing the DOJ from its Gonzalez-era status as a cesspool of depravity and incompetence and bringing us back to the glory days of John Ashcroft when one primarily worried about the Attorney-General’s ludicrously wrongheaded ideology.

Okay… I think you get the picture… there will be no dissent.

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20. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

spam

21. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

7. wu ming – 17 September 2007

wait, shadowthief, are you talking about bughead? interesting.

Yes, but of course he used his real name on TSC. He’s a paid operative and has been for years. He has at least three and quite possibly five to seven pseudonyms on DailyKogs. I can’t believe the DK admins don’t know that he has sockpuppets; if you see a pro-Clark diary on DK, you can be sure Bughead is in there, multiplied like Mr. Smith in The Matrix.

22. marisacat - 17 September 2007

Shumer called it a “consensus” choice. Finishes it right there. leahy apparently was pissy, saying he needs to “look”.

Such sick chumps.

23. StupidAsshole - 17 September 2007

19, D. Throat. Excellent post. I was thinking exactly the same thing myself, based on Matt Taylor’s diary on dKos–but you provided the actual evidence.

24. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

You now see why they needed Buhdy to “cover” for Armando and Jay Elias… so they can now say that there is a “consensus” across the entire “left” spectrum… even though they are all paid operatives.

25. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

like one of Hsu’s ponzi schemes

26. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

I agree with Marisacat: 2008 is a snooze, a foregone conclusion. Serena Joy is President! But 2012, the storm may yet cometh if the “Clinton magic” fails.

Serena Joy is a fascist not only in her heart, but on the surface. I’d rather have Romney, if only because people at least EXPECT fascism from a Republican. The Plan–and there is A Plan, of that I’m convinced–is to put in Serena Joy and give her all the tools of dictatorship that Bush and Cheney have gathered into the executive branch over the past eight years. Clinton did the same during his presidency, you know–a little-observed but very true fact is that Clinton did as much as he could to undermine the Constitution during his eight years as Bush and Cheney have during their co-presidency.

What Clinton did not have was a compliant Congress nor a precipitating event on the scale of 9/11–but he DID have the bombing of the World Trade Center tower and the Oklahoma City bombing, both of which he used, just as Bush did, to get repressive legislation passed.

Whether or not people push back after 2008 depends on how bad things get, and how fast. I can easily see Serena Joy or the Commander declaring a “state of emergency” and suspending elections if things get too hairy for them. At which point all hell would break loose, but maybe we’re due for a bit of it.

27. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

Thanks, If any one wants to post that at Pff or elsewhere… be my guest. I am so sick of the BBBs trying to divert and destroy progressives.

28. Sabrina - 17 September 2007

Good post, D. Throat. Not a surprise but nice to see it laid out like that.

Shumer called it a “consensus” choice. marisacat

Well, Schumer thought that Gonzales was a ‘nice man’ airc. Then he put on his act during the hearings. Probably got the memo ‘we just can’t excuse him anymore, so you can drop the ‘nice guy’ stuff now. Thanks for your cooperation’.

I do not trust Schumer at all -

29. marisacat - 17 September 2007

And arms dealers the world over stand up and CHEER!

A spokesman for those responsible for the action said the weapons were not openly on sale as the fair’s organisers knew the public opposed them. But sound-proof rooms were provided at the venue for deals to be negotiated, he claimed.

link to UK Press Association

30. marisacat - 17 September 2007

Reid is fine with Mukasey (he called him independent, LOL). So are the rest.

Rubber Stamp Democrats.

31. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

Someone called it a “Recess Vote”…. with out the “Recess”

32. moiv - 17 September 2007

20 y/o Airman 1st Class Todd Blue, whistleblower on the “accidental” B-52 nuke flight, has died while home on leave in Virginia.

No details on the circumstances of his death.

33. marisacat - 17 September 2007

well I think that is the third. There was a report of two dying at the destination base.

34. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

That’s sad for his family, moiv, but I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

Other coincidences are the large numbers of Jews who voted for Pat Buchanan in Palm Beach, Florida, in the 2000 presidential election….

The single bullet that changed trajectory a few times when it killed President Kennedy…

And the fact that the Air Force forgot to scramble fighter jets to intercept the commercial airliners on 11 September 2001…

The almost identical wording and logic among the BBBs on Bush’s new Attorney General…

Yep, nothing to see here folks. Move along. Or rather, Move On….

35. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

Here is one for Teacherken:

Alabama Plan Brings Out Cry of Resegregation

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — After white parents in this racially mixed city complained about school overcrowding, school authorities set out to draw up a sweeping rezoning plan. The results: all but a handful of the hundreds of students required to move this fall were black — and many were sent to virtually all-black, low-performing schools.

Kendra Williams and other black parents argue that the plan violates federal law.

Black parents have been battling the rezoning for weeks, calling it resegregation. And in a new twist for an integration fight, they are wielding an unusual weapon: the federal No Child Left Behind law, which gives students in schools deemed failing the right to move to better ones.

“We’re talking about moving children from good schools into low-performing ones, and that’s illegal,” said Kendra Williams, a hospital receptionist, whose two children were rezoned. “And it’s all about race. It’s as clear as daylight.”

Hmmm…. I wonder if Teacherken still believes that “Separate but Equal” schools are still “a good thing”.

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36. D. Throat - 17 September 2007

Spammed again

37. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

This was picked off a link on CNN’s front page

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/14132485/detail.html

Federal Prosecutor Arrested In Child Sex Sting

DETROIT — A U.S. Justice Department official has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a minor.

John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, was arraigned in U.S. District Court in Detroit Monday afternoon.

An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police.

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Here’s the dish I found looking around a bit working off the article;

Gulf Breeze Fla is a little peninsula of white GOP paradise – Scarborough Country near the Navy Air station in Pensacola. Big Mil worshiping area along the Gulf coast near Mobile Alabama. The Town Mayor is Gooper Clay Shaw supporting retired LT Cmdr. Navy. Their Town Council is filled with like minded small gub Repubs (except for military) . It’s the kind of town that Council man, now Clorida Rep Clay Ford Hails from. Florida Attorney General Bill ” Why did’nt mamma call ME Clay too” McCollum would lionize their Clonel Council man, Clay Ford

http://www.rpof.org/article.php?id=52

# Councilman, City of Gulf Breeze, 1990-present (current Mayor Pro-Tem)
# Retired U.S. Army Colonel. Graduate of Army and USAF War Colleges
# Attorney, Florida Department of Children & Families
# Past Member, Arkansas House of Representatives
# Legal Advisor to Secretary of State for election law
# Former secondary school teacher
# President, Florida League of Cities, 2004-05
# Local Elected Official of the Year, 2002, Northwest Florida League of Cities
# Life Member, Military Officers Association of America, Pensacola Chapter

For all of the “drown (all non commissioned officers) babies in the bath tub? small government Republicanism, The town did see fit to build a youth rec center:

http://www.cityofgulfbreeze.com/reccenter/index.html

The Mission of the Gulf Breeze Recreation Center is to plan, organize, and implement a program of recreational activities in direct response to the needs of the Citizens of Gulf Breeze.

Provide and maintain a modern, fully functional and attractive recreation facility in a manner that represents the City and it’s Citizens in a positive manner.

Support and assist the Gulf Breeze Sports Association in the organization, implementation and conduct of its youth sports programs.

Acording to the report above on AUSA Atchison,

He is president of the Gulf Breeze Sports Association, a youth athletics organization.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/14132485/detail.html

38. marisacat - 17 September 2007

And they will fight to keep the FL panhandle, Eastern ‘Bama Division free.

White pride. That town has an odor.

39. moiv - 17 September 2007

Well, Atchison can’t be all bad. When they arrested him, his luggage contained a Dora the Explorer doll and a pair of earrings as gifts for his new girlfriend.

40. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

Damn moiv. That is Kill Story # 1.
The Sarkhozy’s Foreign Minister speaks of essential world war if Iran arms. The Administration continues its good cop bad cop routine. And OJ remains the safe, low cost and locally produced gift that keeps on giving to the Media.

41. wilfred - 17 September 2007

Lordy, the cable shows are just a-buzz over OJ.

I think the R’s must have paid him to do this, now we’ll get months of this instead of news coverage.

42. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Somebody forgot to read the “Things You Don’t Say” memo he got at his retirement party. Expect Abizaid to backpeddle furiously over the next few days from THIS:

Abizaid: World could abide nuclear Iran

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – Every effort should be made to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but failing that, the world could live with a nuclear-armed regime in Tehran, a recently retired commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East said Monday.
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John Abizaid, the retired Army general who headed Central Command for nearly four years, said he was confident that if Iran gained nuclear arms, the United States could deter it from using them.

“Iran is not a suicide nation,” he said. “I mean, they may have some people in charge that don’t appear to be rational, but I doubt that the Iranians intend to attack us with a nuclear weapon.”

The Iranians are aware, he said, that the United States has a far superior military capability.

“I believe that we have the power to deter Iran, should it become nuclear,” he said, referring to the theory that Iran would not risk a catastrophic retaliatory strike by using a nuclear weapon against the United States.

“There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran,” Abizaid said in remarks at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank. “Let’s face it, we lived with a nuclear Soviet Union, we’ve lived with a nuclear China, and we’re living with (other) nuclear powers as well.”

http://tinyurl.com/23ffk7

No no no no General Abizaid! Only good Christian nations like Russia, China, the United States, and Israel (and Pakistan and India) can have nookolar bombs. If some non-Christian nation ever gets ahold of them–particularly one run by brown-skinned people–Dog only knows what those savages will do with them!

43. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

Clarification: Damn moiv. That is Kill Story # 1.
Meaning #32 , your bee line in on the Minot story

44. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

President Hugo Chavez threatened on Monday to take over any private schools refusing to submit to the oversight of his socialist government, a move some Venezuelans fear will impose leftist ideology in the classroom….

45. antihegemonic - 17 September 2007

Teacher Ken is out of touch. Indeed, he is not even a teacher. A mindless Kossak, he is unqualified to write about anything.

46. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Teacher Ken is not a classroom teacher?

Well, wouldn’t matter in any case. Anybody who argues that racial segregation in schools is a GOOD thing isn’t even worth the mental energy it takes to contemplate him. The idea is so laughably bad, like something out of 1948, that had he proposed it anywhere but inside the cossetting world of DailyKogs, he’d have been driven off with well-earned hoots of derision.

47. moiv - 17 September 2007

BHHM —

I came across it as a link in the comment thread in Larry Johnson’s Blackwater diary.

48. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Oh, I got a nice reply from Buddyboy about why hrh and I were banned from his blog.

I’m not in the habit of sharing private emails, but since my bemusement at his half-wittedness has turned to genuine loathing as he’s revealed the face beneath the mask…

I give you An Exchange of Letters:

Part the First: In Which Our Hero Makes A Discreet Enquiry

Shadowthief to Buddyboy:

One thing we do NOT do here is pre-emptively ban. You will be warned, in public if you are getting close to being banned. You have the right to argue that, you have a right to appeal it. But unlike other blogs we will not pretend that it is not subjective. If enough people don’t like the way you post…you will hear about it! Only one person makes the final decision to ban…..me, buhdydharma. To get banned here, you have to offend me.

I’ve been banned and without an explanation.

Username = Shadowthief.

hrh was banned and without an explanation.

Either you’re not in control of your own blog, or you’re a hypocrite.

Which is it?

Signed,

Shadowthief

Part the Second: In Which the Proprietor Makes a Blustery Reply

Thadius Lindahl
to me

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both.

Why?

you don’t give a shit about this blog, what does it matter to you?

You want to bust me for being a hypocrite? hahahaha.

Name a human that isn’t. I am perfectly fine with not being perfect….as I suppose are you…when it comes to yourself.

For the record. I didn’t ban you….neither did Armando….I am dealing with the person that did.

As for hrh….she knew she would be banned on sight. We have a long history, none of it good.

Anything else?

Well, actually, no, there is nothing else. I haven’t written back to him for the same reason I don’t try to reason with rabid badgers.

Oh, and in case anyone accuses me of hypocrisy for revealing the contents of a private email, here is my response:

You want to bust me for being a hypocrite? hahahaha.

Name a human that isn’t. I am perfectly fine with not being perfect….as I suppose are you…when it comes to yourself.

49. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

Moiv I stopped short on my post…. all so very much sewage these days, every batch just so quickly mixed in to the Blackwater. I stopped short on my post from nausea:

The detective, acting as the child’s mother, allegedly arranged a sexual encounter between Atchison and her 5-year-old daughter, police said.

In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that “you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents.”

The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, ” I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice.”

The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, “Just gotta go slow and very easy. I’ve done it plenty,” according to detectives.

Atchison, a member of the Florida bar association since 1984, lives in Gulf Breeze, Fla., near Pensacola.

He is president of the Gulf Breeze Sports Association, a youth athletics organization.

He described himself online as a family man. His wife is a science teacher at Gulf Breeze High School.

My instinct given the background and typical dross is that they’ve nailed him. I think though given all of the NSA domestic activity channeled into the WH if any such cretins in there camp ever came to “know too much” in Fla. I have no doubt the tolerence of such cretins would be withdrawn.

Given the guy’s position, if there is any conscionable investigator in Detroit they should lean on this guy heavy for other dirt. I bet the Feds fight for jurisdiction then bury his ass. If he lives that long….

50. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

Banned on site …..

wasnt there some post at the karma carnival about leaving past bullshit behind? everyone should just drop what ever history they have with armando. cleanse the chakras.

seems that only applies to some people and not others

51. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Ok, and I did email a reply.

Part the Last: In Which Our Hero Bids Farewell to a Man of Bad Faith:

From Shadowthief–

So you cheerfully admit to hypocrisy and to have posted the “rules” of your blog in bad faith.

It’s as I thought.

That’s why I don’t give a shit about your blog and never will. I fully expected to be banned sooner or later, not only because of Armando’s participation, but because the entire premise of your blog is dishonest.

You are nothing but a lackey of Markos Moulitsas, and have admitted it. Not even in control of your own blog, as you say.

There is nothing to see on your blog, and nothing to do. I thank whoever banned me; they spared me a great deal of futile effort playing a game whose rules were rigged to allow but a single outcome.

Enough of these people. Let’s focus on the “important shit”. Anybody have links to the deaths of other air force personnel involved in the “accidental” transport of five (or is it six?) nukes from Minot AFB?

52. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

On a lighter note, LOL! ( complete c pee-wee/buhdyesque exclamation point!.. Turn your back on HRH and Shadowthief and they’re getting rolled out of the trendy new fern bar. Just LMAO!Have a pony!

53. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

mcain is floating a new “League of Democracies” that will act where the UN wont… IE attacking Iran

54. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

The joviality is just a mask for Buddyboy, of course. His emails reveal his true character. Nasty piece of work, I’d say. And not even bright enough to claim ownership of his own blog, but instead cheerfully admits that he is a puppet.

Hm, what’s that feeling you have when you’re the very opposite of surprised? That’s how I feel right now :)

55. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Rev–Has McCain been reading “Justice League” comics again? I told him 1000 times, Wonder Woman does NOT go for older men.

56. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

McCain on Gushball tonight
re bombing Iran and his Beach Boys remark:

“You gotta have some humor in politics you know that, Chris”

57. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

No Prized.

58. moiv - 17 September 2007

Update on the ongoing protest and blockade of a new Planned Parenthood clinic in Aurora, IL. From Friday’s Chicago Daily Herald:

Abortion opponents are planning a massive protest march today at Planned Parenthood in Aurora, with organizers likening the event to the Biblical Battle of Jericho.

:::

The event is the culmination of the protesters’ own version of a seven-day Jericho March.

“Likewise, we are facing a fellow too great for us to conquer without a miraculous event,” said Eric Scheidler, spokesman for Chicago’s Pro-Life Action League.

In the Bible, the Lord instructed Joshua, who led the Israelites into Canaan, to march around the city once a day for seven days. The last day, they marched around the city seven times, with seven priests blowing trumpets and people letting out a battle cry. The walls of the city collapsed.

For the past six nights, hundreds of supporters have walked around the block where Planned Parenthood has built a clinic scheduled to open Tuesday. The city and clinic officials will meet in court Monday to determine if it still can open as planned.

Organizers say more than 1,000 residents could attend today’s march.

They originally planned to have seven groups circle the block — from Oakhurst to McCoy Drive, to Eola Road, to New York and back to Oakhurst — seven times while singing hymns and playing musical instruments.

Today, a federal judge further delayed the clinic’s scheduled opening tomorrow.

Planned Parenhood’s Aurora center will not open on Tuesday as legal wrangling continues. A federal judge Monday set another hearing for Thursday to address issues by both sides in an ongoing lawsuit.

U.S. District Judge Charles Norgle Sr. on Monday refused to grant Aurora’s motion to dismiss a Planned Parenthood lawsuit, which sought an injunction to prevent the city from blocking the clinic’s opening.

:::

Eric Scheidler, communiucations director for the Pro-Life Action League, called the ruling a victory for anti-abortion activists who have been praying for 39 days that the health center would not open on Tuesday as planned.

Planned Parenthood’s lawsuit was the latest action to open its women’s health facility in Aurora. The City of Aurora hired attorney Phillip Leutkehans to conduct an independent investigation into the approval process for Planned Parenthood’s new facility on East New York Street, and city officials have said they will not issue a permanent occupancy permit until the investigation is completed. Planned Parenthood’s temporary occupancy permit expired Monday.

59. moiv - 17 September 2007
60. D. Throat - 17 September 2007
61. Sabrina - 17 September 2007

As for hrh….she knew she would be banned on sight. We have a long history, none of it good.

But, but … Armando said someone stole hrh’s identity and that was why he was recommending the hrh account be banned! People even asked how he could be so sure. He said he was certain because he hrh had said she would never come to a blog he was on!

But again, I knew he was just keeding as I said at the time! Lol! Boyz will be Boyz!

The first GBCW diary was posted at docudharma this morning. It had nothing to do with Miss D, hrh or Shadowthief.

It was from someone who went into Armando’s Civility Protest Diary. I will say, in the interests of fairness, he was treated a lot differently than he would have been with a GBCW diary on DK. Most were very nice to him. No stupid recipes or lame snark, or pileons, troll-ratings or mojo for the overworked troll patrol!

Short version. Armando was rude to him.

62. marisacat - 17 September 2007

buhdy seems quite impressed with 120K [oh right! +] for a family of 4 in a very expensive city.

I am amazed he claims to be 47.

he seems so juvenile.

63. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Ah, I had no idea he was in the habit of publishing private emails.

Well, then, he should have no cause to protest my publication of his remarks.

He’s since written to me, desperately trying to prove some point, but I’m not bothering to respond. His unctuousness makes my stomach turn.

Speaking of stomachs turning:

I’m tired of hearing these people who are trying to deny women control of their own bodies as “pro-life”. They’re NOT pro-life; they’re anti-abortion. Most of them have no problem with war (anti-life), the death penalty (anti-life), cutting funds to programs designed to fight child malnutrition (anti-life), and are very much against gun control (anti-life).

These people have absolutely no problem with killing someone AFTER they’re born.

64. supervixens - 17 September 2007

Not only is Budhy an ass, but he appears to have a serious personality disorder. He and Armando can enjoy each other.

65. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Buddyboy is 47 years old?

Older than me?

Oh my.

I thought he was in his middle 20s, at the outside.

66. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

hrh, I’m STILL jealous you got banned before me.

I mean, you were marked for banishment “on sight”. I had to bloody well earn it. I’m at that time of life where I’d like to coast a bit, and here I have to go and do some hard work (half an hour’s worth) to get banned from a fifth-rate DailyKos knockoff.

It’s humiliating, is what it is.

67. supervixens - 17 September 2007

50, Rev:

wasnt there some post at the karma carnival about leaving past bullshit behind? everyone should just drop what ever history they have with armando. cleanse the chakras.

seems that only applies to some people and not others

The same thing happened at Wingless when Armando showed up and a couple of us slammed him. MSock wrote a long and drippy post about how we should all let bygones be bygones and look at the best in each other, “why can’t we just get along” blah blah blah. Then she banned me and removed my comments.

It’s stunning to me how many people, women in particular, rush to coddle and cater to the abusive males. Is it something in their upbringing? Did they have cruel domineering fathers?

68. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Bwahahahahahaha

We are new (4.00 / 4)

And have and never will claim to be perfect!
We WILL fuck up, and when we do I hope we will admit it and address it and learn from it.

But as seriously as we all take blogging, Lives are not at stake, we are not a government entity or in a position of any real power.

It’s only a blog.

I should add…..Even though Shadowthief was banned without my knowledge, I would have done the same thing. It was someone here just to hassle Armando…and I see no point in having that kind of crap here.

Anyone who posts here in good faith is more than welcome….anyone who is here just to fling poo like hrh and Shadowthief and quite possibly MissD are not welcome, and I would rather get it done and over with.

If that makes some of the statements I make in the FAQ hypocritical, so be it…..I was referring there to NORMAL posting. Not this kind of ridiculous shit.

We will get our shit together soon.

Until then I hope you can all bear with us.

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of progammers, so….Yell Louder!!!
by: buhdydharma @ Mon Sep 17, 2007 at 11:04:49 AM CDT
[ Parent ]

Oh, your shit is fully gathered, my friend. And Armando is the one who’s going to sling it :)

69. marisacat - 17 September 2007

The winger whack jobs and lots of their so called oppositional assists are really, deep down

ANTI WOMAN.

Abortion is the vehicle for them.

70. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

And the linky is here: http://tinyurl.com/2bl4ox

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

Adam Kokesh: “When Injustice Becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty”

re: Aurora, I think we’re headed to another round of violence aimed at abortion providers, not to mention growing brownshirt violence aimed at peace activists and immigrants.

It’s going to be a very ugly year coming up.

72. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

He tracks to Marin County not the city

73. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

I’ve pointed out many times that the issue in abortion is NOT the “life of the unborn child”, but control over people’s bodies.

Not just women’s bodies, but women, as always, are a special emphasis.

Once you have established the principle that the State has control over your body, why then, you are no longer a human being but chattel, a piece of furniture to be moved about at will. The State can force you to have an abortion as well as prevent you from having one, and that kidney of yours that Dick Cheney needs to live? Let’s have it out, mate, and do be quick about it. That’s the government’s kidney, not yours.

The right to control one’s own body is the right without which no other rights can or do exist. If you are not sovereign of your own flesh and bone, you have no more inherent human rights than a tree stump.

74. moiv - 17 September 2007

No, no, ST, it’s those nasty “pro-abortion” people who are violent.

With all of the controversy surrounding Planned Parenthood’s sneaking into Aurora, Illinois to build an abortion mill, things wouldn’t seem complete unless Planned Parenthood made some moronic insinuation about violence coming from pro-lifers.

Sure enough, Planned Parenthood posted an advertisement (posted here by Jill Stanek) in the Aurora Beacon with the words dramatically whispering, “Don’t Let the Extremists Deny Vital Health Care to the People of Aurora.” These words were just above a charming picture of the remains of a baby-killing center in Michigan, set ablaze presumably by someone who was tired of babies being killed in their community and who decided to stop it the bad way. The rest of the burnt-down clinic’s abortion appointments were canceled for the week, much to the dismay of adult rapists who needed to scuttle their adolescent victims in for abortions without being ratted on by the Planned Parenthood staff. Grade D condoms, to be handed out in the community’s middle schools that week, had to be imported in from the next town.

:::

In one of the Aurora city council meetings, attended by people from both “sides”, one man told the story of a rabbit who hopped up to the intimidating pro-lifers with (gasp!) PRO-LIFE SIGNS. The nerve! The man said something along the lines of, “If a dumb rabbit is smart enough to know that we’re not dangerous, what’s with these pro-abortion weirdos?” (OK, maybe I’m paraphrasing just a bit…)

A funny story from Jill:

Commenters were also angry, as I predicted, that PP has now insinuated they are violent. One commenter told officials, “Does this look violent to you? This is what I do.” And she marched back and forth in front of the podium with her rosary beads. She talked another minute and said again, “Again, does this look violent to you? This is what I do.” And did it again. It was very funny.

Of course, we know that such ladies have been knocked over by the peaceful pro-choicers in the past, but we don’t sit there waving that in their faces. And little known is the fact that “pro-choice violence” far exceeds “pro-life violence”, though the former is rarely reported. Sure, the pro-choicers haven’t shot a pro-life advocate yet (to my knowledge) but why should they? They have fetuses to rip apart after all! Perhaps when Roe vs. Wade is overturned we will start seeing the more unstable pro-choicers clipping people off and burning Crisis Pregnancy Centers down to the ground. You know, just the stuff they say they want to do to pro-lifers. Until then, we’ll just watch them destroy pro-life displays, spray paint billboards, rip apart publications, steal fetal models, steal literature, hit little old ladies praying in front of clinics, get in our faces at events while cursing at us and insinuate that we are the violent ones.

The pro-lifers in Aurora have been nothing but peaceful. “The extremists” who want to “deny people services” are protesting two things: 1) that Planned Parenthood sneaked it unlawfully and 2) that babies are being killed in their community. And now, of course, Planned Parenthood has to sue in order to get their way. Who knew that people with signs and rosaries are such a threat?

75. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that questions over whether he identifies himself as a Baptist or an Episcopalian are not as important as his overarching faith. “The most important thing is that I am a Christian,”

76. marisacat - 17 September 2007

well it does not gather qutie the same level of violence and religious political hysteria, but the issue is the same for euthanasia as for abortion and all other rights of automony.

77. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

I’m a member of that religion where you spend your Sundays sleeping until noon, and then go up on deck and have a drink as the sun passes the yardarm :)

78. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Oh right, forgot about Terry Schiavo and all that. Well, that was quite a passionate exchange.

It’s strange: Europe and the United States are moving in such opposite directions on the matter of human rights of all sorts. I used to scoff at the notion that the EU and the USA would some day be in open conflict, but now I wonder.

79. marisacat - 17 September 2007

well schiavo just popped it into heavy duty whacko land, with all the anti abortion celebs showing up in Pinellas FL. And the dems ducking into the cloakroom to do their deals with the official wingers.

Technicolor episode, but an old problem here.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

College Students Protest Halliburton Recruiting Effort

All Things Considered, September 15, 2007 · This week, the Campus Antiwar Network on the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus is protesting Halliburton’s decision to recruit the university’s engineering students.

Campus activism has a long tradition at University of Wisconsin. In the 1960s, students protested Dow Chemical’s involvement in Vietnam.

A leader of the Campus Antiwar Network speaks to Noah Adams.

81. moiv - 17 September 2007

MitM —

Yes, the violence likely will ramp up again, in accordance with the near-universal perception that “pro-abort” Dems plan to do anything at all to relax Christianist-friendly “pro-life” policies.

All the anti groups are watching, and are well coordinated in their actions. This is from our local RCC Pro-Life Committee blogger, who used to be a roadie for Frank Pavone.

And this is training for the next wave: Pro-Life Boot Camp. No recruting problems here, not for this war. Never saw so many cheerful, well-scrubbed white faces in my life — and I got to see most of them up-close and personal.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

Bush’s Fake Sheik Whacked: The Surge and the Al Qaeda Bunny

Bush shook Abu Risha’s hand two weeks ago for the cameras. Bush can shake his hand again, but not the rest of him: Abu Risha was blown away just hours before Bush was to go on the air to praise his new friend.

Here’s what you need to know that NPR won’t tell you.

1. Sheik Abu Risha wasn’t a sheik.
2. He wasn’t killed by Al Qaeda.
3. The new alliance with former insurgents in Anbar is as fake as the sheik – and a murderous deceit.

Why was “sheik” Abu Risha so important? As the New York Times put it this morning, “Abu Risha had become a charismatic symbol of the security gains in Sunni areas that have become a cornerstone of American plans to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq though much of next year.”

In other words, Abu Risha was the PR hook used to sell the “success” of the surge.

The sheik wasn’t a sheik. He was a fake. While proclaiming to Rick that he was “the leader of all the Iraqi tribes,” Abu lead no one. But for a reported sum in the millions in cash for so-called, “reconstruction contracts,” Abu Risha was willing to say he was Napoleon and Julius Caesar and do the hand-shakie thing with Bush on camera.

Notably, Rowley and his camera caught up with Abu Risha on his way to a “business trip” to Dubai, money laundering capital of the Middle East.

There are some real sheiks in Anbar, like Ali Hathem of the dominant Dulaimi tribe, who told Rick Abu Risha was a con man. Where was his tribe, this tribal leader? “The Americans like to create characters like Disney cartoon heros.” Then Ali Hathem added, “Abu Risha is no longer welcome” in Anbar.

“Not welcome” from a sheik in Anbar is roughly the same as a kiss on both cheeks from the capo di capi. Within days, when Abu Risha returned from Dubai to Dulaimi turf in Ramadi, Bush’s hand-sheik was whacked.

On Thursday, Bush said Abu Risha was killed, “fighting Al Qaeda” – and the White House issued a statement that the sheik was “killed by al Qaeda.”

Bullshit.

There ain’t no Easter Bunny and “Al Qaeda” ain’t in Iraq, Mr. Bush. It was very cute, on the week of the September 11 memorials, to tie the death of your Anbar toy-boy to bin Laden’s Saudi hijackers. But it’s a lie. Yes, there is a group of berserkers who call themselves “Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia.” But they have as much to do with the real Qaeda of bin Laden as a Rolling Stones “tribute” band has to do with Mick Jagger.

Who got Abu Risha? Nothing – NOTHING – moves in Ramadi without the approval of the REAL tribal sheiks. They were none-too-happy, as Hathem noted, about the millions the US handed to Risha. The sheiks either ordered the hit – or simply gave the bomber free passage to do the deed.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

Moiv, it’s those kids coming out of Battlecry and the militaristic indoctrination they’re being fed … SOME Of them are going to be convinced that it’s okay to hurt people for Jeebus.

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

I had a quick link to NPR go to spam about this University of Wisconsin student organization (that) is planning to protest against the inclusion of Halliburton Energy Services in a career fair sponsored by the College of Engineering later this month.

University of Wisconsin student organization is planning to protest against the inclusion of Halliburton Energy Services in a career fair sponsored by the College of Engineering later this month.

The College Republicans are dismissive:

UW College Republicans Chair Sara Mikolajczak, however, said she is disinclined to believe the event will promote any changes.

“I highly doubt they’re going to have a couple hundred people there,” Mikolajczak said. “I don’t think they can affect the campus as a whole.”

She also said Halliburton fights to promote a common national goal, and sees no point in trying to remove it from UW.

“[Halliburton is] for capitalism; America is for capitalism,” Mikolajczak said. “I see no problem for Halliburton to try to exist on campus.”

She’s a GOOD little brownshirt.

85. mattes - 17 September 2007

Escalation of killing of Palestinian children has begun:

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=370

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

You’d think a visual like this would make good tee-vee:

New Day in the Anti-war Movement?

One sign visible in enormous block letters invited everyone to, “Stand with Maine. End this War,” another proclaimed “Funding the War is Killing the Troops.” An updated version of a chant not heard since Richard Nixon occupied the White House echoed, “Bush. Pull Out. Like Your Father Should Have.” Not far behind the veterans stood Santa Claus in full regalia on 10-foot stilts holding a sign that read, “Troops Home Before Christmas.”

One sight, never before seen in a protest march nor certainly any parade in the nation, was the IVAW “color guard.” Geoff Millard, President D.C. Chapter of IVAW, dressed in full desert camouflage barked, “IVAW. Fall in. Columns of four.” Immediately, to the front of the rows of veterans marched seven of their number, each holding erect a different flag.

Following tradition, the U.S. flag was in the lead, except this time it was upside-down. In a straight line followed six more flags, all black, each with a different corporate logo — one for Halliburton Corp., Bechtel Corp., Lockheed-Martin Corp., Blackwatch Corp., CACI Corp., and Dyncorp Corp — all on the very short list of winners in this conflict. Making the color guard stand out even more prominently in grim relief, Carlos Arrendondo solemnly pulled a small, flag-draped casket on a carriage. On the casket stood the oversized photograph of his son that accompanies him everywhere, and a pair of empty, desert combat boots that belonged to him before he was killed in Iraq.

Minutes later, the IVAW’s confident message came under attack as their front rank approached a thousand or so angry, screaming people calling themselves “A Gathering of Eagles,” occupying three blocks of sidewalk reserved for them by police. Their snarled taunts and invective were quickly drowned when the vets bellowed in unison, “Support the Troops. WE ARE THE TROOPS!” Then in one of the most memorable moments of the day, IVAW Board of Directors member, Adam Kokesh, marching in command alongside the color guard, ordered, “Column, HALT! Left FACE!” whereupon he spun on his heel, faced the angry crowd, and held for several long seconds his best USMC salute. The surprise maneuver left the gathered eagles momentarily taken aback and the crowd cheering.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

Chris Hedges is having none of Bubba’s happy horseshit

Bill Clinton has written a new book. It is called “Giving: How Each of Us Can Change the World.” He will give a portion of the proceeds to charity. Giving, the former president informs us, gives us fulfilment in life and is “the fabric of our shared humanity.”

His book is the political equivalent of “Marley & Me” It is filled with a lot of vapid, feel-good stories about ordinary and wealthy Americans setting out to make the world a better place. It smacks of the philanthropy-as-publicity that characterized the largesse of the robber barons—the Mellons and the Rockefellers—and has become a pastime for our own oligarchic elite. Clinton’s call for charity is the equivalent of well-scrubbed prep school students spending a day in a soup kitchen, doling out food to the people whose jobs were outsourced by their mommies and daddies. It does little to alleviate suffering. But it is a balm to the conscience of the oligarchic class that profits handsomely from the impoverishment of the working class, globalization and our anti-democratic corporate state. The rich love to dine out on their own goodness.

The misery sweeping across the American landscape may have begun with Ronald Reagan, but it was accelerated and codified by Bill Clinton. He sold out the poor and the working class. And Clinton did it deliberately to feed the pathological hunger he and his wife have for political power. It was the Clintons who led the Democratic Party to the corporate watering trough. The Clintons argued that the party had to ditch labor unions, no longer a source of votes or power, as a political ally. Workers would vote Democratic anyway. They had no choice. It was better, the Clintons argued, to take corporate money and use government to service the needs of the corporations. By the 1990s, the Democratic Party, under Clinton’s leadership, had virtual fund-raising parity with the Republicans. In political terms, it was a success. In moral terms, it was a betrayal.

88. marisacat - 17 September 2007

Awful people.

Happy bullshit from the clintons… Happy Cancer from the Edwardses and the other is a Happy Black Man, thoroughly untouched by the past. he swears.

So fucking fucked. And they are so dull, all of them.

89. mattes - 17 September 2007

What credentials:

Bush nominates Orthodox Jew to head Justice Department

Since retiring from the bench, Mukasey has made campaign contributions to Giuliani for president and Joe Lieberman for Senate.[11] Mukasey is also listed on the Giuliani campaign’s Justice Advisory Committee.

Michael B. Mukasey (born 1941)[1] is an American lawyer who, for 18 years, served as a judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, with six of those years as Chief Judge. According to press sources, President George W. Bush will nominate Mukasey to serve as the 81st Attorney General of the United States, succeeding Alberto Gonzales.[2]

Born 1941
Bronx, New York[1]
Political party Republican
Alma mater Columbia University
Religion Orthodox Judaism

Wikipedia
Mukasey was the presiding judge in the kangaroo court that tried Jose Padilla.

And you thought Alberto “Speedy” Gonzales was bad.

Look for the US Senate confirmation hearings to be a lovefest between subservient US Senators and Mukasey, looking to score brownie points with the Bush/Cheney Junta.

Anyone who contirbutes money to Guilani and Lieberman should be disqualified on the basis of poor judgement.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3568

I would really like to know his opinion on Israel, or is that too much?

90. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

god dammit……the job board i use the most just closed to non-members….Dues: $150.00 per year Initiation Fee: $35.00…. its always something

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

much clearer video of the kid getting tased, and interestingly, better audio … you can hear Kerry JOKING ABOUT HIM as the thugs brutalize him.

“Too bad he’s not able to come up here and swear me in as President.”

Oh, and this tidbit from the article w/ the video, Kerry’s “answer” to his question about voter suppression:

Police threatened to user a Taser on Meyer if he did not “comply,” but he continued to resist being handcuffed. He was then Tased, which prompted him to scream and writhe in pain on the floor of the auditorium.

After the incident, Capt. Jeff Holcomb of the UPD said Meyer had been charged with disrupting a public event and placed in the Alachua County Jail. Holcomb said there would be an investigation into whether the officers used force appropriately, adding that employing a Taser gun would only be justified in a case where there was a threat of physical harm to officers.

As Meyer was escorted away, he was followed by several students, including Matthew Howland, 20. Howland, a UF senior who said he didn’t know Meyer, said he was “appalled” by the way UPD officers handled the situation. Howland acknowledged that Meyer had acted inappropriately by “rushing” the microphone and forcing a question on Kerry.

“It’s a perfect example of when officers take something to a level that is not necessary,” he said. “The officers escalated that situation.”

Throughout the incident, Kerry urged the audience to “cool down” and acknowledged that Meyer had raised an important question. As officers escorted Meyer from the auditorium into the lobby, Kerry went on to explain that he did not think there was sufficient evidence of voter suppression to justify contesting the 2004 election.

“We just couldn’t do it in good conscience because we didn’t have that evidence,” he said.

How could you know that, if you conceded THE NEXT MORNING.

Also, I stopped by DU, where someone posting about the incident with a comment, “plainly he’s not a democrat.”

Sounded to me like his questions were from the fucking left, and it seems to me that Senators are not Lords, they aren’t Gods or some kind of elevated species.

Americans are such fucking sheep.

92. marisacat - 17 September 2007

Vote for Kerry!

Skull and Bones all the way!!

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

Drumbeat For Attack On Iran Grows Louder

With the retirement of Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel, Lieberman may well find that he has a new ally in the Democratic Senate caucus after the 2008 elections: Former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey who is considered likely to seek regain the seat.

Kerrey is no dove on Iran. In a May 22 op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal, he wrote:

“We must not allow terrorist sanctuaries to develop any place on earth. Whether these fighters are finding refuge in Syria, Iran, Pakistan or elsewhere, we cannot afford diplomatic or political excuses to prevent us from using military force to eliminate them.”

THAT is the Donklephant party that the leadership and their paymasters want.

94. wu ming - 17 September 2007

Yes, but of course he used his real name on TSC. He’s a paid operative and has been for years. He has at least three and quite possibly five to seven pseudonyms on DailyKogs. I can’t believe the DK admins don’t know that he has sockpuppets; if you see a pro-Clark diary on DK, you can be sure Bughead is in there, multiplied like Mr. Smith in The Matrix.

i thought he was for gore, back in the day. i suppose i left SC before the primaries really got started.

95. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

I know they’re tools of Clinton, but answers Rudy back with an attack ad on him.

Too bad they do it in service of someone just as bad, and arguably more to blame for our current ongoing disaster.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

ooops, missed “MoveOn” in that sentence.

97. wu ming - 17 September 2007

that IVAW march sounds fantastic. way to put things into stark focus. i especially like the bit with the flags.

98. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

I know it’s beyond disgusting, but it’s time to get over the way the media treats leftists. That’s the world we live in … get past it. It’s gonna be viral video and word of mouth and a struggle that likely will take years, and likely people who escalate the disobedience and obstruction … and the media will demonize every single bit of it.

99. marisacat - 17 September 2007

The problem is there is no leadership – no national leadership…. And also Arianna Baby has taken on the mantle of constantly running a low level boring whiney bitch routine at the press. It is so tired.

It saves her from criticising, other than soft soapy bubbles, the Democrats. She did say a few interesting things in the 03/04 cycle. Not now.

Very transparent.

The wars will drag on.

The anti war is going to have to plan on years – and then more years, and bind with a worker, immigrant, black, brown, human rights movement. maybe 2020 or so… And extend it ot the hemisphere.

IMO.

long haul.

Because the voters are nto going to be strong for ’08, they will believe the Democrats will help the nation. Or be better, Less bad. Not good but not evil.

Pretty sad, but just my opinion.

100. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

Naomi Klein and Amy Goodman at Society for Ethnical Culture. Basically a replay of today’s Democracy Now.

The short film is great.

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/short-film

101. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

Naomi Klein on Israeli militarism.

In brief:

1.) In the early 90s the Israeli business class wanted peace with Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians. War was bad for business.

2.) But Israel was hit with a wallop by the dotcom crash in the late 90s. It was more tech dependent than any other country in the world.

3.) It transformed its economy from a tech/dotcom economy to a security/military Keynsian economy. Now the Israeli business class wants war because it’s good for business. What’s more, it’s biggest export is security. Essentially the Israelis are now the world’s advisors on how to teach the white man to put down the wogs. Wanna build a wall on the Rio Grande? The Israelis know how.

4.) Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Palestinians were the cheap labor in Israel. Thus, there had to be a basic coexistence.

5.) But the huge influx of Russian immigrants gave Israel an all Jewish working class and they no longer needed the Palestinians. Thus the lockdown.

102. Sabrina - 17 September 2007

Anyone who contirbutes money to Guilani and Lieberman should be disqualified on the basis of poor judgement.

From Mattes post above about our new AG. Anyone who is a friend of Giuliani is a friend because they benefitted somehow from his appalling policies to ‘clean up NYC’. No decent person could call a person like that a friend. I doubt he has many, but he did have lots of support for being the hit-man for the wealthy in NYC.

103. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

I know it’s beyond disgusting, but it’s time to get over the way the media treats leftists.

That march wasn’t even close to 100,000 people. It was more like 10,000. So the corporate media has the numbers right.

On the other hand, it was a very militant, spirited march. There was a real sense of opposition and a willingess to draw connections (something that bothers “liberals” so much). There was also an incredible amount of diversity, from the GW College Democrats to hard corps Marxists to Ron Paul fans. Everybody seemed to be welcome to be his or her self (something that bothers “liberal” control freaks).

The civil disobedience at the Capitol was one of the better civil disoebedience actions I’ve seen. You got the sense that the Capitol was under a symbolic seige. It’s just too bad the protesters concentrated more on the Capitol Cops than on Congress.

There was one white guy in his 60s who kept singling out black cops and shouting “I marched for you people in the 60s”. That made me cringe.

104. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

re madmans 91 Taser Nation

Now what would have happened if 20 – 30 people just got up and proceeded towards the officers calmly sayng over and over

We are unarmed
You are making an unlawful arrest
Now get off of him and let him speak ,
We don’t want to fight you

We are unarmed
You are making an unlawful arrest
Now get off of him and let him speak ,
We don’t want to fight you

Say it over and over loud but calmly as you just scrum grunt close on the cops wrestling to extract the guy.

It is most important that such an “Operation Rescue” is methodical in pulling the drawstring shut on this kind of shit.

Unfortunately this is what we’ve come to.

105. marisacat - 17 September 2007

In the early 90s the Israeli business class wanted peace with Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians. War was bad for business.

— HC / N Klein

BIngo. At one point around that time, it was clear, many in Israel wanted to be a happy, at peace, prosperous Mediterranean country with the associated lifestyle.

I hoped that would stick. But it did not. And now we and they are conjoint and wholly insane.

106. marisacat - 17 September 2007

104

the problme is the relentless mantra of respect, civility, it becomes reverence. Obeisance.

Citizenship has no value as no one knows what it is anymore.

poor sods who thought Kerry was liberal.

107. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

At one point around that time, it was clear, many in Israel wanted to be a happy, at peace, prosperous Mediterranean country with the associated lifestyle.

Naomi said “The Hong Kong or Singapore of the Middle East”.

That now seems to be Qatar or Dubai.

The Israelis have blown it with their idiotic obsession with racial purity and caste dominance.

Sooner or later the security/repression industrial complex is going to wind down.

108. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

Not just the mantra but literally putting hands on bodies. It would take a degree of commitment and fear management that has been thus far unaddressed.

109. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

the problme is the relentless mantra of respect, civility, it becomes reverence. Obeisance

Have you read Benjamin DeMott on “civility”?

110. moiv - 17 September 2007

BHHM

That tactic has been our mainstay in defending against clinic invaders since Operation Rescue’s glory days. You can’t lay hands on them without inviting an assault & battery charge, but there are ways around that.

Form a cordon of bodies, surround the offender like an ameba looking for breakfast, and then move the entire “organism” slowly toward the door — preferably while singing a hymn. ;)

All you have to do is just do it.

111. moiv - 17 September 2007

Forgot to mention, my favorite musical accompaniment on such occasions is “Jesus Loves the Little Children.”

Some crusader for Christ never fails to yell, “You can’t sing that!”

Yes, I can. :-)

112. marisacat - 17 September 2007

People will have to invoke the non violence of MLK that arguably called down the white apartheid violecne upon itself…

I remember in 04, I knew I would nto vote for Kerry but I watched to see, would he discuss fear. It seemed a classic. Invoke FDR, Churchill too (take him away from the right, USE him)… but soon it was clear.. Kerry would not.

Not that I expected much of that hankie in the wind.

******

109, I don’t think I have, will go take a look… thx..

8)

113. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

well, the end of that last hope for Israel was the theocratic right killing Rabin, in ’95. THAT was the break, IMHO. Violence had been decided upon.

As for the march, that was kind of my point, HCfM. I don’t care how many people were there. No one knows, and it doesn’t matter. The idea that the NUMBERS in the protests in the ’60s was what stopped the war is utterly wrongheaded. It was the shift toward more radical distruption, up to and including violence. Small groups of people disrupting recruitment on campus, research for the pentagon, that was as if not more important than large protests. From what I understand, many of the protests weren’t all that huge.

Focusing on how bad the media was doesn’t get the message out. So there weren’t good pics available, or video … get it viral ASAP. Why can’t I find video or a pic of that honor guard? Viral video destroys campaigns of well-committed Senators now … those orgs should have several videographers planning out what they’re gonna film, and access to iMacs with highspeed connections within an hour after then end of the march. God, how many Starbucks are there w/ wifi in DC?

I didn’t start finding much video until today.

114. marisacat - 17 September 2007

This is from … hmm think the professional review of the DeMott book..

He leaves loose ends, suggesting but never proving that the civility movement is a red herring concocted by “top dogs” to distract challengers to the status quo.

DeMott is VERY right on that one..

It says he has been published in harper’s will look him up in the archives…

115. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

From what I understand, many of the protests weren’t all that huge.

The September 29th, 2004 march in NYC during the RNC was probably the biggest anti-war march in American history. The NYPD spying papers say 1.1 million people. I was there and that seemed right to me. There were times when I was afraid I was going to be crushed in the crowds that just went on for block after block.

It had no effect because nobody really wanted to blow it for Kerry.

There’s an earlier DN debate between Naomi Klein and Todd Gitlin.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/26/1421204

She was right about everything and beat Gitlin so bad he was reduced to snarling “but I bet you voted for Nader”.

And it’s ashame how Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzelez were going easy on Gitlin because even they didn’t want to blow it for Kerry.

116. marisacat - 17 September 2007

Form a cordon of bodies, surround the offender like an ameba looking for breakfast — moiv

Oh that made me laugh outloud!! Thank you…

117. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

NAOMI KLEIN: In Spain, they had the possibility of voting for a politician who promised to pull his troops out and in fact did. That renewed a real faith in democracy in that country and around the world. I was in Iraq when that happened, and there was a real hope that maybe that could happen in the United States. The Democrats have systematically sealed off that possibility and I believe pushed people into the streets. And to dismiss that as a symbolic temper tantrum, I think, is quite absurd. I also want to be very clear, Todd, I’m not saying that you are deliberately playing into Karl Rove’s hands, but practically I believe that you are. Because what the Republicans want is to dismiss our protests as marginal, to make us look crazy. That’s what they want

118. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

you could do a medley with THIS “classic” moiv!

119. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

The ultimate cheap shot. Gitlin’s just CloneClone with a higher IQ.

TODD GITLIN:And I think we ought to be very, very careful before we listen to the advice of those who four years ago assured us that we didn’t have the luxury of waiting to defeat American corporations. We had to do it right now, by voting for Ralph Nader.

120. marisacat - 17 September 2007

well 1.25 million – across a broad spectrum marched for abortion rights in 2004.

But it made no impression, not really (other than the solidarity ofthe marchers I never discountt hat). There is NO political partner. None at all.

Not even a reluctant one.

121. marisacat - 17 September 2007

117

I have thought a lot about the Atocha bombings… the brief span before the vote, Aznar, and Zapatero. The lies, the ordinary people who walked to the political headquarters of Aznar’s party and stood in the square…

I understand why there was hope in Iraq… it/what was happening in Spain was the image to model.

But my conclusion is that SPain is more coherent nation than the US… perhaps more than we ever have been.

We are utterly fractured. IMO.

122. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

But my conclusion is that SPain is more coherent nation than the US… perhaps more than we ever have been.

Interesting. Naomi mentioned Spain during her talk tonight and she remarked that everybody she talked to about Aznar said the following:

“He reminded me of Franco”.

A shared experience of fascism in a coherent culture.

“He reminds me of Nixon” doesn’t hit quite as hard.

123. marisacat - 17 September 2007

113 madman

yes… Rabin knew he needed to make peace, if he could. But not the hard and soft asses that followed him.

124. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

Hair Club … I meant the size of the protests in the ’60s, but that one proves my point. It’s not the size, it’s the message. When you do get wingers to admit that there were a lot of people who were against Vietnam, their next rhetorical gambit is that most of them were there for “the sex and the drugs” … and you know, they are RIGHT. It was people who ducked bullets at Kent St, and who got arrested for blocking doors and occupying labs on campuses who moved the debate, NOT Woodstock or any large protest.

It’s easy for me to say all this, since I’m not one ready to be thrown to the ground and tased. Still, one can support the people who do … because it’s that large number of people who quietly support the front line protesters who eventually help them translate the change, not the media.

125. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

It was people who ducked bullets at Kent St, and who got arrested for blocking doors and occupying labs on campuses who moved the debate, NOT Woodstock or any large protest.

Note. The Iraq Vets Against the War have come out publically for the troops IN IRAQ to resist the war.

I don’t know if people realize how hard core that is, how much personal risk they’re putting themselves in.

Most of them have done their tours of duty and can just sit back a la Markos “I word combat boots” Moulitsos and join Vote Vets or something wimpy like that.

But they’re risking what happened to Eugene Debs. And the vast majority of them are still in their early/mid 20s.

126. moiv - 17 September 2007

Guffaw of the Day

ane Hamsher’s 11th Commandment for Democrats

you never repeat right wing talking points to attack your own, ever. You never enter that echo chamber as a participant. Ever. You never give them a cudgel to beat the left with.

Just. Don’t. Do. It.

You know I had something to say.

127. marisacat - 17 September 2007

I had noticed the call for resistance inside IRaq.

But that is what it will take. People forget or don’t know, but the resistance in the 60s was inside the mil as well. Pushing mil helicopters off the decks of warships….

The seeds are there. I had read back at the start of the war that the officer class shipped over golf carts (LOL for Kuwait Dubai, Qatar… ) and many of them arrived “damaged”, shall we say.

128. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

Moiv 126 LOL! though I don’t believe in spanking

129. marisacat - 17 September 2007

126.. The Hamster as bay calls her. LOL

That loon. I saw that RealCleapPolitics picked up her post on ”Hillary is right, EE is wrong Rudy gets it in the eye” – or something similar. On MoveOn.

130. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 September 2007

I caught my breath at the end of the vid of Kokesh’s speech … they all threw up clenched fists, a la the ’68 Olympics. IVAW and Vets for Peace are interesting guys, and they do seem to be ramping up.

131. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

I had noticed the call for resistance inside IRaq.But that is what it will take.

And the more non vets willing to write checks for legal fees and support the more people in the military you’ll find willing.

132. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

#117 Marisacat, re: Kerry

Not that I expected much of that hankie in the wind.

Best laugh of the day!

And it seems to me that you lived your life
Like a hankie in the wind
Never knowing which Republican to cave to
When the votes came in
And I would’ve liked to vote for you
But who am I gonna kid?
Senator Kerry you’re nothing but
A hankie in the wind

Apologies to Elton John. He must be spinning in his grave.

133. Revisionist - 17 September 2007

catnip— some canadian news

A British-born student found guilty of terrorist offences may have been planning to take part in al-Qaeda-inspired attacks in Canada, including an alleged plot to storm the Parliament and behead the Prime Minister, security sources said yesterday.
story

134. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

He must be spinning in his grave.

Elton John is dead?

Woa.

I thought that was Marylin Manson who was dead.

135. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

an alleged plot to storm the Parliament and behead the Prime Minister, security sources said yesterday.

Didn’t that happen like last year?

Is it the same guy? Or do a lot of people in Canada want to behead Harper?

136. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Re: Internal resistance to the government.

The militia movement, right-wing, racist,and anti-Semitic as it was, was also a genuine pushback against the alarming growth of executive authority in the United States in the 1990s.

Put another Clinton in the White House and you will see that movement, along with a counterpart on the Left (led by black or Latino militants, I think), once again growing.

Brutal repression, using federal troops–not civilian police, but troops, or even a new job for the Blackwater mercenaries–to follow. Anyone who objects will be subject to indefinite detention without charge or trial at a privately-owned prison.

The next 9/11 will not be foreign terrorists striking at American targets, but federal troops attacking and terrorising American citizens. Then all hell is going to break loose, because you are going to have a lot of Tim McVeighs on the loose: underemployed/unemployed combat vets fresh from the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan who realise they’ve been lied to.

Some may become Blackwater mercs, but most will not. The mercenary types tend to be HMFs (hardcore motherfuckers–yeah, I know, the military has a coarse subculture) who enjoy shooting people. Death is their living, you might say.

Ordinary troops, disgusted by what they’ve seen, by what they’ve done, by what they’ve survived, in Iraq and Afghanistan, are going to be boiling mad when they come home, because by then the economy will not have jobs for them. The soldiers are already learning the true meaning of the phrase “support the troops”–and they don’t like it.

As for civil demonstrators–sounds like people need to re-learn the techniques perfect during the civil rights demonstrations of “non-violent resistance”. I personally do not have the strength of character to do non-violent resistance. It’s simply not in my nature. If somebody tries to lay a hand to me, I’ll fight back. It’s good to know what you’re capable of, and not capable of, in any regard. However, I very much admire people who have the strength to be non-violent and wish I could emulate them.

137. Shadowthief - 17 September 2007

Elton John is alive?

No one is more surprised than he :)

138. Hair Club for Men - 17 September 2007

Then all hell is going to break loose, because you are going to have a lot of Tim McVeighs on the loose: underemployed/unemployed combat vets fresh from the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan who realise they’ve been lied to.

And Ted Kazinskis and Dylan and Klebolds and Eric Rudolfs.

Yep. I’m not looking forward to the return of the angry white male once his guy’s out of the White House.

139. marisacat - 17 September 2007

just a thread…

LINK

140. marisacat - 17 September 2007

135

one reason I did not want this horrific war. The internal blowback as they return.

And if anyone has taken a look at the Vietnames comunity in Winchester and other parts of SoCal… I do not want the new version of that either. (LAT just had an article on how they run around, still, accusing each other of being a “commie”… we have that already)

Purely selfish on my part, but I di dnot want antoher enormous horrific (and this one is bigger and worse) war, one that would bedevil the nation, AGAIN, for decades.

McVeigh, exactly. From what i Read he never shut his eyes in the death chamber. The CCTV was run from a camera directly over him. he stared into it. Think Vidal wrote that…

141. BooHooHooMan - 17 September 2007

ONLY violence is the thing that makes society reconsider their long held enchantment with the status quo. It is sad but true. 9/11? –And the enchantment with Constitutional Rights becomes “negotiable”

The strategic jackboots understand this as they understand quite rightly why “weak” and Democrat go together and rings true among the electorate. The know most people are going to figure “WHy bother” when seeing that kid left alone to get wrestled down tased and hauled off in a Democratic forum!@*??% The jackboots also know quite rightly that the proximal threat of violence swings BOTH ways and is as likely to engulf their carefully orchestrated agenda. Thus NO draft. No pics. No press Pool. No timeliness or accuracy in reporting casualties.

Critical mass hasn’t been reached yet. Before it will, Hillary will be installed as a relief valve. Four cents on the dollar to be refunded. Till the week after she’s sworn in.


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