Oh… call it the clenched, upraised fist thread… ;) 17 September 2007
Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Viva La Revolucion!, WAR!.trackback
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Chomsky’s Daughters
http://www.pbase.com/srogouski/image/85791557
From the previous thread.
McVeigh, exactly. From what i Read he never shut his eyes in the death chamber. The CCTV was run from a camera directly over him. he stared into it. Think Vidal wrote that…
McVeigh also read “Invictus” as his last statement. Never expressed any regret.
But neither did Madeline Albright.
For Kansas Abortion Doctor, Pressure Mounts
got to giggle…
AP – Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox plans to resign as John McCain’s state campaign chairman, according to two top Republicans who asked not to be identified because Cox has not yet spoken with McCain in person.
lol… but its on the wires
Some of Dr. Tiller’s colleagues call him “St. George” for a reason. As the saga drags on, Operation Rescue continues to rally the troops.
This kind of siege is again becoming commonplace — not only in Aurora and in Wichita, but all across the country. Meanwhile, we’re supposed to fall into line behind “safe, legal and rare.”
Elise serves as a whore for the corpraCRAT Barack H. Obama.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/17/164117/519
Obama did something “real,” according to the out of touch Elise.
Pauline Beck was “real” and they spent the day doing “real” things.
How would Elise know? Her reality is the one s/he simulates on Daily Kos. And Obama’s only reality is the one his wife created while rubbing elbows with WalMart affiliates.
Notice how Elise, a paid Obama operative, is so ready to accuse others of that which she disavows about herself:
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/9/17/203630/695/115#c115
Someone needs to out her.
I wonder how the country would have responded if Bill Clinton said after Gulf Vet McVeigh and Army Bud bombed Oklahoma City :
” We are going to hunt down and kill every one of these ideological Right Wing terrorists in our midsts. They often are funded by charity front organizations and we are going to go after them too. CIA operatives vetted for their loyalty to this Administration will begin rendering their ass to torture right off the back nine down before they’re headed down to Guantanamo indefinitely. Either you’re with us or against us.”
Then if he was really skilled, he would incentivize parts of the mil to liquidate ideological adversaries from within…
Sure is same shit different polarity but I think the wingers have been far more skilled in incenting coconspirators —co-opting Dems for example. It is funny the wingers stack every job slot from school board janitor through to Chief justice of the Supreme Court.
OTOH “the Left has “UserID” “mojo” and “TU” on Markos blog.LOL
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and when I say rare i do mean rare. — Hillary.
And I always get a vision of a baby turning on a spit over the fire.
She is a very strange woman.
If she does go in, and right now I dont think it is certain yet… but if she does, that is it:
“relief valve”. Take the edge off – for a bit.
i always find it interesting that she and Bill think they have nullified the hard right
IN WHAT UNIVERSE??
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/9/17/164117/519/229#c229
Elise, an operative who has attended Camp Obama and Camp Wellstone, claims the two are the same. Imagine sharing a sleeping bag with Elise.
Just imagine.
LOL Elise seems to be a rather simple girl. To be blunt.
I agree. Where do they find these people? She is disgusting.
Despite beinganti hegemonic, you really are freakin me out before bedtime with the Elise in the Sleeping bag hegemony 😀 LOL
God, imagine all the wieners the camp went through..
Marisacat, stop making me “Elise” my Diet Soda, please…
It takes a village to cook a child?
Serena Joy is mad as a hatter, Marisacat. There’s definitely something “off” about her. Romney’s got the glint in his eyes, as well.
Lunatics vying to be made head of the asylum, the pair of them.
President Hillary Serena Joy Clinton will patiently–or perhaps not so patiently explain–why she’s terribly sorry, but the Blackwater mercenaries had to use machine guns to mow down all of those demonstrators in (insert name of city where you live) to keep LAW AND ORDER. WE MUST HAVE LAW AND ORDER.
Her husband’s statement after the Oklahoma City bombing, in an interview with Steve Croft of “60 Minutes”:
And so it began.
Pay close attention to whom Serena Joy chooses as her Minister for Internal Security, aka Attorney General. That person will be in charge of distributing jackboots and truncheons.
As for the Kosswhackians: Most of them betray a suburbanite mentality. You’d never know Kos, for example, lives in Berkeley: he may as well live in some hick town in Kentucky. It’s some sort of sick joke that Kos lives in a centre of lefty liberalism, I’m sure. He’s out of place there as I would be performing in a ballet recital (FYI, I do wear a leotard and tutu, but strictly for comfort around the house).
From the last thread:
The lies, the ordinary people who walked to the political headquarters of Aznar’s party and stood in the square…
That was inspirational. Millions just seemed to go out in the streets spontaneously and demand that they not be lied to! I kept a newspaper photo of them for a long time, to remind myself that I had once hoped it would happen here.
It reminded me of Venezuela after the people found out about the coup!
We are missing something here, I don’t know what it is. Maybe the country is just too big.
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Anti, as marisicat said, elise is a bit limited in the thinking department. If she is an operative for Obama, she needs to reveal that. I thought they had some kind of ‘rule’ about it. Of course she may have, I haven’t been there for a while.
They are going to end up with no one on that blog by the time the primaries are over. I can’t figure out why it’s so important to fight so hard for any candidate. Unless, as you say, you’re being paid to do so. But then, being a horror of a bully doesn’t do the candidate much good.
Earth to Obama, elise will turn more people away then you can afford right now! Lol! Someone needs to tell him. Three people who would be the death of any campaign, DHinMi, MissLaura and Elise. A few others I can think of also.
Hm, I thought it was illegal to use the US military for domestic law enforcement? Well, if the President does it, it can’t be illegal. I learned that from Richard Nixon:
Well, 79 people were killed, 21 of them children, but Clinton only feels bad about the 21 children. Bugger the 58 adults. And Clinton feels “awful” about the children but, you know, they had to be killed to protect them from abuse by those weird cultists who have sex with women to whom they’re not married.
We can’t have that.
Have to wonder if paid operatives at dKos are worth the money. They take up space and oxygen but doubt they are effective at influencing anybody. Nothing but a bunch of choirs all singing to themselves. Soto is falling into the same trap with Jeff and himself carry the Hillary banner (he always has appallingly bad taste when he chooses to support a candidate – not talking out of school, have already said it to him – he does some good analyses but then draws conclusions not supported by his analysis.)
Maybe this country needs a really good depression to take our minds off all this stupid crap that we fight endlessly about. When nobody can afford to feed another mouth, abortion will be a socially responsible act. Of course all when all the violent, white authoritarian men are hungry they’ll be even more dangerous. That might move me to support getting guns and take them out,
There will be no winner in ’08. It’s all so banal. Just like Alexis Debat proved to be (and I had such high hopes that this was a big, interesting story). My write-up, very boring because it was the only way to fit all the pieces together– is at TLC.
how can sudi women drive in those damn burkas…. i am not being snarky either. you cant safely drive thru a 1 inch slit
Marie,
I believe you are write. There are no winners in 2008. Look at the results of this Rasmussen poll:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/for_or_against_presidential_candidates
More people are prepared to vote against than to vote for any of the frontrunners.
Rev, you know damned well that Saudi women aren’t allowed to drive.
Re: Elise as a paid political operative.
Well, she DID claim she’d found a “promising job lead”.
Guess this is it.
I think she’s working for the Clinton campaign, myself.
Elise: I’m an Obama supporter!
Everybody else: You know, that Clinton doesn’t seem SO bad.
The old reverse psychology ploy.
wanted to share this site http://dailygrail.com/
i dont read all the kooky stuff but just the daily news briefs… the guy does a good compilation of science news IMO.
#15 – Sabrina – no rule about covert ops at dKos. In fact Kos coddled those like DH and was uninterested when I suggested a community standard on this that ops should disclose that information (only party affilition , who they support for POTUS , and that they work on the inside — wasn’t even demanding that they disclose their identity or who they work for unless it is a POTUS candidate then the disclosure is relevant.
How did those in Spain organize? Probably their cell phones and internet which may be more technologically advanced than what we have here. We have all the tools necessary to mobilize within twenty-four hours but we don’t have the will.
Is not Kos’s paid work for Dean a subject of journalism these days? Francis Holland has covered all the damaging news reports on Kos’s venality. Holland also has found a homophobic piece Kos published in 1993.
ST — thats one of todys stories, Suadi Woman are petitioning the king. I think Pickles even made a statement.
I have a question: since when has Chris Bowers become Mr. Open Left? Was he not the one who said he would rather have a standard Democrat in the Senate than Bernie Sanders? Where do these guys get off?
Thanks for the link, Rev. And don’t be dissin’ that kooky stuff, especially when it makes sense. 😉
LOL well a-hegemonic…
there is a bit of whiff off Francis Holland himself.
Rev–They have petitioned in the past and been turned down. Last petition drive was in 2005 and they got turned down flat. The prince in charge of such matters said dismissively, “We have other priorities. This is not a concern of ours.”
Also, Saudi women still cannot go out in public without being accompanied by a male relative.
Marisacat,
I agree: Holland is a Hill-shill. But one has to hand it to him for all the work he has done on Markos. I personally find it hysterical.
Once in awhile, the good guys win one:
From The LA Times.
Looks like those Orange County “John Wayne Republicans” are losing their touch. They got steamrollered by a pantywaist intellectual liberal type.
There were those great women who hauled off one day and drove around a parking lot iirc.
I read the aftermath a year or two later. it did not go well for them at all. And these were “upper class” women with cars and drivers.
Re: Holland’s investigations.
They are superfluous.
Anybody who needs further proof beyond what Moulitsas has written on his blog and said in public interviews that he is NOT a political progressive has rocks in their head.
Holland has not convinced anyone who was not already convinced. I’d wager that the vast majority of Kos Kultists are PLEASED with the notion that Il Kosolini is a CIA mole, and agree with his homophobic stand against gays serving openly in the US military.
Saudi law is harsh. A British Petroleum employee got 40 lashes (crippling and scarring him for life) for smuggling in a pint of whiskey.
What worries me is that there’s a lot of people in the United States who’d like to import that sort of regime here, Christian instead of Moslem, but no less harsh for all of that.
moiv — its one of my daily morning reads….but i sense you are into to some of that stuff. a lot of the other stuff aside from the daily news is just people trying to sell books rather than real investigation.
Holland is a diversion, imo. And obsessed, in the sense of anything he directs himself at, Kos, Hillary, Obama.. and so on.
borrrrrrrrrrrrrring.
It makes sense Kos is a homophobe, although one wonders about him and Jerome Armstrong. And the misogyny: notice how his wife has been relegated to the task of operating Mother Talkers. According to Moulitsas, all women are mothers and talkers. Politics is the realm of men, “straight” men.
I do enjoy sitting back with an ice-cold Coca Cola™ and watching yet another Elise meltdown in progress before I head off to bed. Beats listening to more OJ shit on CNN.
Politics is the realm of men, “straight” men.
…who wear, have worn or want to wear combat boots.
Rev, 35
They link to all sorts of things, don’t they? This kind of real investigation I do find interesting.
Stanford-based researchers have been studying “remote viewing” for about 30 years now. I wonder why.
Elise should keep her mouth shut. But knowing that she has to suck on something, she will keep it open.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/9/17/203630/695/161#c161
I should keep my mouth shut.
I should keep my mouth shut?
Really?
Now THIS is a good diary. Nothing knew for all you smarties here but it’s got a nice hook.
BTW, link to Marie’s post on Debat at The Left Coaster
Britney Spears is Bush’s base, for she is a piece of Southern trailer trash that ran into money.
That’s a really good piece, Marie, researched to a fare-thee-well. But you already knew that. 😉
Marisa, I’ve been snared by the filters.
43 —
Nonsense. Southern trailer trash so rarely runs into money that there aren’t enough of them to carry two precincts in Tuscaloosa.
Marie, did you get my email last night? I sent it and it came back (wrong address, my fault). Anyway, I did read the Debat piece. I wouldn’t say it is not interesting although I think those rightwiingers who hired him are more interesting. I was not aware that our ‘liberal’ news media hired people to report on such important matters as foreign policy, especially now, from Rightwing think tanks.
Re Holland, his main problem is his sensational ediitorializing. He has dug up some information that wasn’t out there and that does raise timeline questions re what kos has said publicly and what the facts appear to be. Eg, when he was in the CIA training program. Something doesn’t match there. But he could straighten it out if it was just bad communication skills,
Then there’s the fact that the college records are all back online, except the letter from kos re gays in the military, last I heard. But if he stuck to the imformation, and left the rest to those who read it, he’d be better off.
He has written a few diaries on other topics. One that I liked was about his childhood.
Moiv – thanks but I didn’t know it. It was one of two working hypotheses. Antisocial lone wolf or connected with possible antisocial tendencies.
Sabrina – no didn’t get your e-mail. Re: Debat – he didn’t work for any rightwing think tanks. That was one of my points. Of course those are of two types: the christian fundamentalist variant that came of age with the Bush Admin. Then the Neo-cons, Heritage, AEI etc. The first will take anybody, but not so with the second, they are fussy. Debat was going for the second but it takes years to build up the proper creds for that and he was still at least two years away from that when he got busted. As he wasn’t actually in, they have nothing to run from, but Debat ain’t ever getting into those circles now. He’ll most likely fade away, back to France for a while then perhaps to the outer reaches of the EU or Turkey. That assumes that he hasn’t found a wealthy sweetie in the US, in that case he’ll stay here in obscurity for a couple of years (he would not be a faithful lover and would quickly become bored).
Re Kos. I find speculation that he’s CIA to be as ridiculous as Debat working for the Penagon. If the agency had had any interest in him at all it would have been covering a central american desk. Detailed office work which Kos isn’t good at. Or perhaps in the legal dept, but my guess is that they have stronger applicants for that. Kos told that story to make himself sound interesting and it allows people to speculate that he could be a spook. Sorry, he’s not smart enough for such a job.
Its quarter to three
there’s no one in the place
cept Sabrina and me
So front page this now Peed-
I gotta little picture
I think you should see…
Holden and Bogie
to the end
Chasing Audrey…
Oh when will Marisa’s cats
come and recommend me?
(sung to the tune of an early morning drunken stupor, tie knot loosened, porkpie hat jauntily askew, sport coat slung over shoulder, joint dangling from pursed lips in rueful reflection in a hotel room mirror)
Only joking about the “cum” part…
{:o)
Hey now! I think I even got the metre correct! See what having a stern taskmaster at the top will do for you?
Just watched the Kerry tasering video.
People at Kos are defending the cops. That kid wasn’t even really fillibustering. The cops were ready to grab him the moment he stepped up to the mike.
Here’s a pretty typical comment.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/9/18/03226/7790/636
Like Jon Stewart told the Code Pink women, “You’re not helping!”
Is there any question the Patriot and Military Commissions acts are going to stay in place under President Hillary (and maybe even be expanded)?
Interesting. LGF “warns” the Daily Kos.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27090_Troofers_Wearing_Down_the_Resistance_at_Daily_Kos&only
I’m not a 9/11 Truther but it’s interesting that right wing blogs set the terms of the debate and “left wing blogs” seem willing to stick to them.
Actually when you look at that Kerry video again, that kid looks better.
He cites his source (Greg Palast, a no no on the Daily Kos). He holds the book up so people can see who he’s referring to and check it out for themselves. He gets Kerry to acknowledge it.
That kid was guilty in the eyes of the Dkossers of being an awkward 19 year old and having the awkward body language of a 19 year old kid uncomforable in his body.
I know that TV has taught us that 19 year old kids all look as if they’re 30 and handle themselves like seasoned TV actors but that’s not reality. The “reality based community” doesn’t seem to realize this.
MCat, no. 8,
That’s what comes of reading too much Jonathan Swift. 🙂
As to what use Clinton might have made of McVeigh, would that he had started a War On Operation Rescue and all who would march under its banner.
Shadowthief, no. 34,
Funny you should mention that, because about 12 years ago when I lived in Delaware, one of the idiots who wrote an opinion column for Wilmington’s incredibly boring daily paper (The News Journal) authored a piece that called for the return of lashing convicts at the whipping post. This punishment had been abolished only in the early 1970s, though by that time it had been 20 years since such a sentence had actually been carried out.
I imagine a lot of people would end up at least tacitly endorsing such a thing if it came to pass.
JJB–Not only tacitly endorsing it but selling it on pay-per-view.
I refer everyone to the authority on this subject, which would be a Mr. George C. Carlin and his comedy routine on capital punishment.
http://tinyurl.com/3amm7u
Interesting piece in today’s NY Times re that Israeli raid (if that’s indeed what it was) on Syria 12 days ago:
So what do we make of this? I can think of any number of reasons this story was allowed to see the light of day, and haven’t the wherewithal to detail them right now. Still, if this is indeed what is going on, mightn’t it be less dangerous and more according to international law to simply make the suspicions about Syria and North Korea public and demand that inspections take place?
This, combined with France’s recent sabre rattling, lead me to suspect that there is indeed going to be more military action in the ME in the near future, with the US attacking Iran and Israel taking on Syria.
Think I’m stuck in spam.
Hair Club, no. 53,
I love this unintentionally revealing line in that comment you link to:
I’m not familiar with this incident, but it sounds like the sort of overreaction that has become SOP for the cops these days. Reminds me of how at one point during the 1968 campaign when Ed Muskie was being heckled by anti-war demonstrators chanting slogans that made it difficult for him to be heard, he turned to them and said that if they’d nominate one or two of their number to state their position, he’d be happy to give them a microphone and answer whatever questions they had for him, or to debate them. The demonstrators did in fact do this, and they ended up having what the press covering the campaign described as an lively and enlightening session. No one’s mind was changed, but the response to this was overwhelmingly positive (a lengthy report on the incident aired on the CBS Evening News that night ), and such give-and-take discussions became a staple of Muskie’s campaign appearances. And mind you, this was only a few months after Bobby Kennedy had been assassinated, so a person in Muskie’s position could have been excused for believing that such behavior on their part could end with them being killed. I think the difference between now and then can be very nicely demonstrated by contrasting those incidents.
40, moiv, that is an interesting study. I teach people to develop their psychic/intuitive abilities and one of the things that always blows them away is the exercise in which they take turns telepathically sending visuals of colored shapes (e.g., “blue triangle”) to each other. Some people are better senders than receivers and vice versa, some are better at seeing/sending colors than shapes, etc. But everyone manages to pick up some telepathic info, and often there are people who have a 75% success rate, even before training.
Funky stuff.
I understand the Russians were doing in-depth research on “psi” during the Cold War, particularly remote-viewing. I don’t know where they’re at with that now.
47, Sabrina – re: FLH, yes I liked his diary about the dog. Well actually it was about interracial marriage but he took a detour to talk about a dog. it was much like Thurber’s My Life and Hard Times. FLH should do more of that.
I will be in NYC over Columbus Day weekend taking my son to various touristic destinations and visiting as many restaurants as possible. It will be busy but I plan to meet up with lucid sometime during the weekend. Any other MCatters in the NYC area who would like to join us? Sabrina?
orellily is reading directly firom the blogs…
just read jane hamsher
Hcfm —
The incident reminded me of something that happened my freshman year. I had left my wallet in the city over the weekend. I went to eat dinner at the drom and the cafeteria lady refused to let me in without it. Now she had seen me 4-5 times a day for 6 months. Knew me by name. But was being a bitch over a plastic card. That was pissing me off but what really was pissing me off is when it clicked that I WAS PAYING for this shit. Paying to attend the school. Paying to live in their dorm and paying for their crappy food.
I didnt make a big scene. I jut kindo of said I am eating and walked in. As I made my way down the bufferline more and more stafflings kept showing up. I just calmly said No I am eating. I sat at the table and the crowd around me kept getting bigger and I was eventually escorted out by the campus police (that is what should be inportant in the Kerry thing, the cops were no better than the people who ask to see your reciepty at best buy). I had to see the head of student housing and eventaully the Dean himself. All because some Jevovahs Witness Lady wanted to power trip on me. I probably would have been tasered today by the time i got to the mashed potatoes.
Strong words over at Juan Cole’s site:
Gaza is the worst outcome of Western colonialism anywhere in the world outside the Belgian Congo.
All too sadly true. I’d add that IMHO, we should refer to Gaza as an Israeli concentration camp. The designation is entirely appropriate by the standards of its original use, which was for the camps into which the British herded the Afrikanner women, children, and old people they forcibly removed from their homes during the Boer War:
The AIPAC/Likud crowd would go absolutely bonkers if anyone were to post about that at any of the BBBs.
Kerry’s statement, in which he tries to have it both ways:
Everything else outside of that bolded statement is just window- dressing to try and make himself look good. And, frankly, he’s got to be an incredibly self-involved idiot if he couldn’t hear the student crying out not to be tasered and the reaction of the crowd once he was. Then again, he is an incredibly self-involved idiot.
64 supervixen
out of town damn the luck, definitely next time though!
Also, this site has a longer version of the tasering video. While you’re there, read that version of the AP story compared to this modified version that attempts to disparage Andrew Meyer.
Shadowthief- the John Waynes will never die in the OC (take it from me, a coddled suburbanite!). They will just get meaner and dumber as the furriners begin to outnumber them.
JJB at 61- I thought it was Hunter Thompson’s Great BooHoo (a forerunner of BHHM?) who put the kibosh on the Sunshine Express.
FLH lost me long before his CIA stuff. His Hill-shilling is telling, IMO, and all the Thurbering in the world can’t salvage that. But whatever- he will do his thing, as will we all.
It’s worse than holocaust denial…
Karzai:
Talk about fearmongering. Jeebus.
keirdubois, no. 70,
That was a different campaign. Muskie’s chats with antiwar radicals occurred in 1968 when he was Humphrey’s Veep candidate. The incident concerning the guy wearing Hunter T’s press credentials occurred in the 1972 primary campaign. Oddly enough, Muskie’s behavior in 1968 was out of character, he had a volcanic temper that would erupt at the slightest provocation. He was less adept at hiding this in ’72, when he and his wife would often shout at each other in front of reporters interviewing him one-on-one as if they were auditioning for Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Apparently, she also had little trouble getting in touch with her anger.
And speaking of fearmongering:
If the US government would butt out maybe they’d actually get somewhere in the ME. Fighting over who gets to attend a “peace” conference. The irony is apparently not obvious to that “senior US official”.
Irony of the day award:
I mean – gee – it’s not like US officials harass anyone trying to get into their country, right?
liberalcatnip, no. 73,
Sounds exactly like what George Packer said about Iraq in his recent New Yorker article, in which he also held up what we did about organizing a government in Afghanistan after driving out the Taliban as a template we could use in Iraq. What needs to be pointed out over and over is that both countries are in chaos anyway, and that what we’ve done in Iraq is all too like what we did in Afghanistan anyway. As I read the awful future Packer painted of Iraq if we pull out immediately, and what Karzai claims will happen in Afghanistan if Canadian troops don’t stay I found myself thinking “that’s exactly what it’s like now, and one of the reasons for that is the presence of foreign troops.”
I just have to post the rest of that article:
What a fucking joke. Not a word about how Palestinians are treated every bloody day.
I mean tto post this a few days ago, Scruggs had a piece on an elderly woman arrested, handcuffed and put in jail for not watering her lawn… in the comments (# 3) is a further Scruggs reference to several instances of elderly (and I do mean elderly) being tasered.
And he has a hoot of piece up on Kerry today… a snip he uses refers to Kerry as a “odd bit of Duchampian machinery” (applause on that one!)…
snip from the snip:
Scruggs is very deft, I must say. Timely too… 😉
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agree keir… the shilling for Hillary and Obama is gag worthy. hell FLH: you come home and LIVE UNDER THEM then.
I have been an ex-pat and watched Americans (and others, it is not an American disease) “drift”, they stop caring in the least what happens at “home”. It becomes academic.
Escobar in the Asia Times: French-kissing the war on Iran exposes les chiens de gerre:
78- marisa, how is that drift shaken off, if ever? What, as far as contracting that disease, is the point of no return in your opinion? Just curious…
oops, that would be marisa at 79. sorry.
oh hell. I should not do this unsupervised right now.
moiv #40:
Exhibit A of why I laugh at the puffery of ‘medical science’. If you have any knowledge of statistics, when you really start reading these studies and compare the conclusions to the data, you inevitably end up scratching your head and thinking – ‘how the hell did they prove that from the data’?
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LOL I never saw anyone taken with the disease shake it off. And I have been at odds with America all my life… fully at odds. But gee, I am an American. I don’t care where I am, what happens here matters.
bTW, in the election of Sarko the First.. it was the first time that non resident French – those would be EX PATS! – were allowed to vote. They lined up around the block here at the Alliance Francaise… and of course they voted in Israel as well. And elsewhere.
Presto, you get that asshole in. Not that Segolene was a peach, she was not.
Life is amusing. I see Gilroy leads the page at PFF with a lecture to Democrats on Kerry.
And is he still hawking that Hillary is a lefty, hiding it manfully til she ascends the WH, to unleash a [highly subversive, as it is so hidden] lefty agenda?
One born every minute.
LOL And I see Gilroy rides over FLH, hawking the Hillary so called Health Plan.
It’s a coven!!
someone has spammed malware/virus sites with Armando crap.
Should you search Armando wife email mcjoan you get a slew of .info addresses. mcat appears to be the only non trojan site that has mention of it.
Marie’s post linked above in #43 on Alexis Debat is definitely worth reading. One really wonders how people can pull this stuff off.
dc statehood blocked in senate
Via CNN: AIPAC told CNN it took no position on the Iraq war.
Yeah…right.
Here’s the background via The Hill:
I’m surprised Hoyer didn’t go that one extra step to call Moran an “anti-Semite”.
Gaza is the worst outcome of Western colonialism anywhere in the world outside the Belgian Congo.
The big difference however is that in the Congo, Leopold was committing atrocities, not because he had anything in particular against blacks but because he needed cheap labor to extract the ivory.
On the other hand, the problem in Gaza is that (as Naomi Klein says) the influx of Russian immigrants rendered the Palestinians economically superfluous. They were no longer needed to do cheap labor.
It’s actually more accurate to compare Gaza to the US prison industrial complex on crack.
Talk about fearmongering. Jeebus.
Oh I’m sure Karzai himself has every reason to be afraid of an American withdrawl.
#93. Well, he’s certainly a fool to think that the couple of thousand of Canadian troops there right now are making such a huge difference in the scheme of things or that when they leave in 2009, when the current mandate expires, that Afghanistan will suddenly go to helena handbasket. Like Iraq, it’s already there.
karzai, as I understand it, has no personal militia. And you are nobody there without a personal army.
Sitting duck, for us as well… he relies on our paid security, think it is Blackwater that is used there. Who can turn on him in an instant.
Oh wellllllllllllllll… he’d be looking to his astrakhan hat for defense.
They’re so damn afraid of those messy things at dkos:
Shades of attacking Cindy Sheehan. Just proclaim that “he’s not one of US!” and throw him off the Great Orange Boat.
I wonder how many leftover Kerry operatives there are over there.
Just what the hell do they “stand for” over there anyway besides mediocrity, complacency and the status quo?
Oh I just mean that as soon as his US/Canadian protecters leave, Karzai will probably be Anbar Sheiked.
Shades of attacking Cindy Sheehan.
Interesting thing about attacks on Cindy Sheehan.
It’s deleted now but the day after the march in DC on NYC Indymedia one of the regular anti-semitic trolls called “no war for Israel” got careless and posted a link to the Frontpage attack on Cindy (the one about how the terrorists personally thanked her).
Oooops. Mr. Frontpage Zionazi Troll needs to learn to use two browsers when he pretends he’s a Stromfront troll.
His usual fare is stuff like “Norman Finkelstein is the only Jew we can trust. David Duke loves him”. Stuff like that.
Daily Kos users are some of the most complacent, undereducated, sheltered and easily duped people online. They have nothing of substance to offer, and they quote the book ghostwriters wrote on behalf of Markos Zuniga as if it were the Bible.
The only gate the crashed was the one protecting me and others from their venom.
To them the only legitimate form of activism involves sending a $25 donation to Tammy Duckworth.
I saw a tape where he was pulling of his other little push backs. Standing on a corner holding a sign: Harry dies
when the last Potter book came out.
i champion that sort of thing. Anyway it is MINOR. People act there never has been, never should be a hard or truculent or invasive question at a rally. That there never should be a “bad” moment for the Roman senate.
And really, by now, who the fuck is Kerry? nobody. A useless memeber of a disgusting body.
Beats invading and killing and cluster bombing and napalming and releasing masses of DU.
And so on.
98 – HCfM
I agreee…
Uggh. I read Kerry’s flak on the tasering.
Bullshit. The war hero stood by and watched while a 19 year old kid got brutalized by the police just because he held up a copy or Greg Palast and asked a goddamned question.
Then again, why am I suprised. No democrat even mentioned the fact that 2000 people were detained without charges during the RNC in New York.
Humorous are the petty battles over healthcare at Daily Kos. Poll after poll reveals how irrelevant those people are, as Clinton continues to surge despite all their little efforts. You would think the operatives there would know how to read a poll.
#101. Even the Heritage Foundation didn’t have thug cops pull Code Pinkers from their stage when they protested.
I should have added that at least the Heritage Foundation thugs didn’t have any Code Pinkers tasered.
Thinking about the right-wing counterprotesters in DC.
Question. Where was the biggest student insurrection in the USA in the 1960s.
1.) Berkeley
2.) Columbia
3.) Madison
4.) Kent State
5.) Oxford Mississippi
That’s right. #5. The largest, most violent student protests in American history took place in 1963 against letting James Meridith register. Klansmen from all over the region drove into town. A general (Edwin Walker) helped organize the riots and was later charged with conspiracy to committ insurrection.
It overwhelmed the National Guard and they had to call in regular troops.
It made Chicago, the FSM, the march on the Pentagon, all of them look tame.
In other words, the right’s always mobilized more people into the streets and has done more civil disobedience than the left. Think of the anti-abortion movement. Abortion isn’t hard to get in “red” America because people voted. It’s hard to get because of street protests.
The right’s outnumbered NOW (with their guy in the White House). They even need a special police moblization in conservative Morristown NJ to protect their anti-immigrant protest.
But if Hillary gets in office?
To quote Lyndon Johnson. “Who cares about the punks on the campuses. The great beast in the American right”.
Baby Killer LBJ was dead on about that one.
Even the Heritage Foundation didn’t have thug cops pull Code Pinkers from their stage when they protested.
And Rumsfeld actually let Ray McGovern speak.
we are so in the big clogged storm drain – that leads off the messy filthy smelly gutter we’ve been in for years, filled with blood and body parts…
from the Hill (think catnip linked to it upthread)
Right. And S-chip is a big battle – both sides – and there is not and never will be, at the least, 100% coverage for catastrophic illness.
We cannot even care for the least and the dying.
But don’t ask Hilarius the First a tough question.
HCfM
One reason I championed pushing for the fall of Lott (yes I noticed he is baaack)… for the ol’ Miss era. An operative, hard core front line, then and still one.
Oh I just mean that as soon as his US/Canadian protecters leave, Karzai will probably be Anbar Sheiked.
That depends on how much corruption by the warlords, drug runners and the Taliban he is actually supporting. It’s kind of hard to figure that out at this point.
But don’t ask Hilarius the First a tough question.
Did you see the video clip of her on Maher’s show last week where she said she consulted with (what seemed like THOUSANDS) of advisors before she voted on the AUMF? She didn’t exactly mention that she never read the NIE.
Well the extreme tension between Establishment Dems and any sign of human life is why I think they will do anything to cast off the so called and the real anti war left. (I think the MoveOn ad is very suspicious, a set up, MoveOn could not care less about the war or the generals or anything but $$$$)
And why they, Est Dems, are desperate to out war Bush.
At least, that is how i see it.
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LOL I don’t think either or any of them even read the SUMMARY. Edwards could nto be bothered to show up for the Intell Committee… Kerry hoped ot burnish his CV for pres (and is unable to explain a NO vote for GW1 with a YES vote for IW) and Hillary was for the war, fully.
Her speeches from 2002 and 03 are BushWarAlltheWay!
I tihnk Mayer was on an FU (meaning Florida U in thsi case, LOL) list. The only thing that makes sense. Or there was a signal from a Kerry operative in the audience when the question was what it was and the Palast book was sighted.
Tweety just referred to the FU student as a “heckler”.
The LGFers are confused.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27094_Video-_Moonbat_Tased_at_Kerry_Speech#comments
On one hand they hate uppity students but on the other hand they hate John Kerry.
Some people really need to get a life.
Sigh. Seriously. Walk.away.from.the.computer.
OK. Tweety’s not happy about the Tazing. But he’s also talking about how much freedom we all have at political events.
I think part of this is training. Tweety actually joked about “this having a chilling effect” but he joked about it.
Wes Clark is on Tucker. Well…not ON Tucker. You know what I mean…
Now they claim in the thread you quote that Kerry is not accountable, as it was the Florida State police who used the taser gun against the young man. But do not call him a kid, they admonish.
These people would condone torture if Democrats approved of it. Wait, many Democrats did.
This LGFer is starting to catch on.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27094_Video-_Moonbat_Tased_at_Kerry_Speech#comments
What about when Hitlary gets into office next year? If her goons start tazering us when we protest her forcing medical insurance on everyone in America, we won’t have any moral ground to stand on.
Now ask yourself WHY the Democrats have made no moves to get rid of the Patriot Act.
I had not seen stun gun/taser spam yet, thru all the thousands upon thousands of spam I get, this just appeared:
wasnt florida where thet tazed the little girl last year?
The question missing from the debates is this.
If this guy was really being disrupted wouldn’t the crowd have just shouted him down and told him to get out?
And if they THOUGHT he was worthy of tazering and DIDN”T shout him down long before that, isn’t THAT a problem?
If you’re so totally passive that you need cops and tazers to protect your “community” aren’t you already slaves?
Maybe being from NYC has warped my perspective. People here have no trouble saying “sit down and shut the fuck up” if they think someone’s being disrupted.
I was riding a NJ transit train a few days ago and this early 20ish black guy (don’t know if i need to specify race or not) has his loud ass speaker phone on and he’s ostantiously talking into it to let us all know that, hey, he has a cool cell phone.
It lasted about 5 seconds. A woman just walked up to him and said “turn your speaker off asshole” and he did.
No tazers or cops required.
HC – the audience seemed to cheer a bit when the goons went after the guy. Otherwise they were completely well trained in the art of passivity. TV is probably the best insructor for that that the world has ever seen.
The wingnuts more than anyone else wants this story to go away because it has them tied up in knots.
Hope someone like Scott Ritter pens something on this.
Just an observation about Kerry’s diary on the Daily Kos.
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/18/125041/427
Alright, I’m the Online Communications Director for John Kerry, and I wanted to jump in here to let all of y’all know about what happened yesterday at the University of Florida event. JK himself wanted to stop by, but he’s stuck in Senate business all day and won’t have a chance to respond to any comments.
PLA LEEZE
Why is it that when one of Kerry’s interns posts “his” diaries he/she usually pretends it’s from Kerry himself.
Now Kerry’s staffer identifies herself as a Kerry staffer.
How much do you want to be this is the same person who posts Kerry’s diaries when Kerry posts his own diaries?
Just another example of Kerry’s cowardnice.
Get up in front of a mike and a crowd of journalists and take your punishment war hero or just retire already.
Get a life on aisle 2. lol…sometime said Kerry was “droning on and on” and the troll-raters are all over him. Raise your hand if you don’t think Kerry drones on and on…
I rest my case.
Kerry’s My Pet Goat moment.
Jeez. Skull and Bones parties must be pathetically dull if those two are any example.
After weeks of suggesting Democrats would temper their approach to Iraq legislation in a bid to attract more Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid declared abruptly Tuesday that he had no plans to do so.
Send the Roman senate home. All of them.
LOL.
Hmm. Actually the audience did cheer when the cops dragged him.
It’s clear why he’s agitated. The cops were hovering 5 inches away from him during the entire time he was talking, prepared to drag him off any second.
shayera of Daily Kos issued troll ratings in that thread. And notice how all the sheep at Daily Kos bowed down before the twenty-something staffer who is charged to do his or her boss’s dirty work.
All of them are pitiful.
It’s too bad that kid didn’t say something more polite
Medea Benjamin is on Hardball.
… thread…
LINK
Maybe Markos will appear and discuss how tough on security he and Karry are.