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Well… what do we expect? 19 September 2007

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1. Revisionist - 19 September 2007
2. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

Hmm. I”ve never burned a flag. I feel like I’ve missed something in life. But I’m not likely to do it now that I’m over 30.

One thing that’s always puzzled me. When the shitstorm erupted over those Danish cartoons, where did everybody in the Middle East suddenly find a cache of Danish flags?

I’m assuming people in most Islamic countries keep a few Israeli and American flags on hand just in case the occasion should arise.

But Danish flags? I wouldn’t know where to buy a Danish flag in NYC on short notice. How do you find them in the Gaza strip?

3. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

How do you find them in the Gaza strip?

Well, it’s a pretty simple design: red with a white cross.

4. marisacat - 19 September 2007

well I never bought into the big anti cartoons wave of protests. I frankly think the people, many of them, are too sophisticated for that. For one it came oout that they had been published in the ME (Egypt for one) some months before, to yawns.

ALos the addition of 4 new cartoons that were not part of the original set.

Did the nationalist Danish press work for a set up. Well yes.

Mostly manufactured, imo, from the get go.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

hey, kittyherb, from the last thread:

Can you imagine the outcry if Canada had cut off fuel supplies to the US because we opposed the election of dubya?

What I CAN imagine is the waves of bombers and missiles that would head south if Venezuela cut off the US from THEIR fuel supplies.

6. supervixen - 19 September 2007

from dkosser in the previous thread:

but tell me what the Islamic/Arab countries have contributed to the world in the last thousand years?

Well, the Ottoman Empire took in the Jews that were persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition – that ought to do you for a start.

The ignorance of Americans (and probably much of the rest of the world, too) about Islamic history and culture is astounding.

7. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

Well, it’s a pretty simple design: red with a white cross.

True. That Israeli flag above looks awfully home made.

8. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

What I CAN imagine is the waves of bombers and missiles that would head south if Venezuela cut off the US from THEIR fuel supplies.

No kidding, especially with oil prices at an all time high – again.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007
10. mattes - 19 September 2007

Hair Club…we are the light of the world.

11. Revisionist - 19 September 2007

Having been to flag burnings… it is probably best to make your own. most flags are synthetic and dont really burn dramatically

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Video of Medea on Hardball yesterday connecting the tasering of the student to the treatment that protesters get from the Donklephants.

Benjamin: “I got pulled out of a Hillary Clinton rally for wearing this shirt.”

Matthews: “No.”

Benjamin: “Yes.”

Matthews: “Pulled out of the rally –

Benjamin: “Pulled out of the rally.”

Matthews: “Who were the pullers?”

Benjamin: “She has goons, just like the Republicans have goons and they drag you out of there and they say, no signs other than the signs that we hand to you. The Republicans and the Democrats do the same thing.”

13. D. Throat - 19 September 2007

I can’t say I’m happy to see you here Diane W. (2.50 / 2)

Your nasty and vicious attacks on me are why I quit posting at MLW. I …

Mind what I said. (0.00 / 0)

by: OPOL @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 18:45:49 PM CDT
[ Parent ]

I am not seeking (0.00 / 0)

dissent. I spoke my mind ONCE about something you did I thought was wrong, was told to shut up & did so.

If you feel the need to threaten me or seek me out for past blog recriminations, then maybe this is not the place for me.

I have read it, other than meta here since the beginning and have engaged no one in any way negative.

I thought this was a different type of place, one about the future, not the past. I came out of respect for Budhy and Karma.

On the other hand it seems your manner is aggressive, and i cannot imagine why I have become your demon.

You certainly weren’t mine.

by: Diane W @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 19:02:56 PM CDT
[ Parent ]

We don’t let people attack Armando (0.00 / 0)

and we won’t let anyone attack you OPOL.

We would LIKE to keep everybody from attacking anybody.

But it seems like every high profile blogger attracts emnity (Hi GOTV!) so yes, we will take extra care with the high profile bloggers here. And try to keep existing fueds from spreading here.

You can call that a double standard or special priviliges or whatever you want. I see NO reason to allow fights from elsewhere to bloom here.

We are trying to cast off old ways and and find new solutions….Let’s try to cast off old fights……and create NEW fights!

If two people have a problem….just stay the fuck away from each other and there will be no problems here.

But like I say….I am cranky right now, so…

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of progammers, so….Yell Louder!!!
by: buhdydharma @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 19:08:51 PM CDT

Why don’t they just lock the door and put a password on the site… they aren’t even that damn interesting. Had there not been the brouhaha about Armando rigging the system in his favor and all the mechanizations making sure that Pro–Palestinian commentators were to be treated unfairly… there would be nothing to read…. BORING!!!!

14. Miss Devore - 19 September 2007

budhy tries to qwell Opol & Diane W. sniping:

” We don’t let people attack Armando (0.00 / 0)

and we won’t let anyone attack you OPOL.

We would LIKE to keep everybody from attacking anybody.

But it seems like every high profile blogger attracts emnity (Hi GOTV!) so yes, we will take extra care with the high profile bloggers here. And try to keep existing fueds from spreading here.

You can call that a double standard or special priviliges or whatever you want. I see NO reason to allow fights from elsewhere to bloom here.

We are trying to cast off old ways and and find new solutions….Let’s try to cast off old fights……and create NEW fights!

If two people have a problem….just stay the fuck away from each other and there will be no problems here.

But like I say….I am cranky right now, so…

Reality is the result of war between two rival groups of progammers, so….Yell Louder!!!
by: buhdydharma @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 19:08:51 PM ”

be sure to wear a flower in your hair.

15. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

DramaLama:

I can’t say I’m happy to see you here Diane W. (1.00 / 1)

Your nasty and vicious attacks on me are why I quit posting at MLW. I hope you’ve learned some manners since then. If not, this is going to be unpleasant.
by: OPOL @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 18:32:59 PM CDT

Nice fresh start there, OP :) n/t (1.00 / 1)

by: Diane W @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 18:36:44 PM CDT
[ Parent ]

Mind what I said. (0.00 / 0)

by: OPOL @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 18:45:49 PM CDT

16. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

You beat me to it, D Throat. ;)

17. Miss Devore - 19 September 2007

a 3-peat!

18. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

We don’t let people attack Armando

Bend over, budhy. Maybe if he’s nice, he’ll kiss you first.

19. brinn - 19 September 2007

It’s nice to see someone calling Diane on her bullshit — I knew she could not possibly be fooling as many people as she thinks she is!

20. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

Well I don’t know why Diane didn’t use her pff “Cuntbitcheous” nickname over there at the pony place. (snort)

21. mattes - 19 September 2007

Someone should tell Diane W. buddy does not have a clue what karma is. He’s a taoist by his own admission, but has not bothered to read the texts. ~~~Like Markos being a libertarian.

I must admit I never did read much of what buddy said, I was taken in by his pretty pictures. There is a lesson somewhere there for me.

22. D. Throat - 19 September 2007

I wish Dhrama would just close the damn door and put a password on “his” site…. so that they could bore themselves to death…

Armando is only interesting when he is throwing flames… that is why he had to “out” himself when he became BTD… cuz no one paid the boring sod any attention.

23. marisacat - 19 September 2007

Mind what I said —OPOL

Oh i have to laugh. What a HOOT! they are so desperate to lecture.

24. D. Throat - 19 September 2007

they are so desperate to lecture.

Because they are so WEAK.

25. mattes - 19 September 2007

We would LIKE to keep everybody from attacking anybody.

Hey, buddy, I have not gotten an apology from Turkana for accusing me of chanelling shergald. Attacking me repeatedly and then banning me so I can’t defend myself. Kinda what the Zionists do to the Palestinians.

Marcat, great visuals.

26. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

FWIW, I’ve never seen the appeal of OPOL. He puts a bunch of references to the 60s in his diaries and ends by saying “impeach” or something like that. It’s not that I have anything against him. I just don’t see the appeal.

27. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

I think someone put steroids in Naomi Wolfe’s herbal tea. She’s beginning to sound like Naomi Klein.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/a-shocking-moment-for-soc_b_64909.html

28. Miss Devore - 19 September 2007

HCfM–never cared for the pic diaries of anyone. all cheerleader, largely replacing MSOC rants on DK.

29. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

I liked OPOL’s determination. As for buhdy, people who continually post ponies (and people who are happy happy all the time) kind of annoy me.

30. marisacat - 19 September 2007

ANOTHER 56 vote :Failure:… the Democrats ae barn animals. Led around by their little toes. Rings in their noses, choke chains on their necks. And they agrew witht he Republicans.

Senate Blocks Detainees’ Rights Bill

By David Stout
The New York Times

Wednesday 19 September 2007

Washington – A move to give terrorism suspects the right to challenge their detentions in federal court fell short in the Senate today, even though it had majority support.

Fifty-six senators voted to cut off debate, and move forward to a vote on the bill itself, a step known as cloture. But under Senate rules, 60 votes are needed to invoke cloture.

Some supporters of the bill said they might bring it up again, although it was not clear just when.

“The truth is that casting aside the time-honored protection of habeas corpus makes us more vulnerable as a nation because it leads us away from our core American values,” said Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, a co-sponsor of the measure with Senators Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, and Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut. Mr. Leahy is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and Mr. Specter the committee’s senior Republican; both are former prosecutors.

31. Revisionist - 19 September 2007

HCfM — I cant stand him. not him but his diaries… I am one of the those punk xers who rejected his entire culture. I might find it annoying but it really doesnt resonate with anyone under 55 IMO. None of his iconography is in our memories. It just seems very dated.

I really cant stand people who want the drag us back 40 years in realtio to waht is going on today. Like his valentine to Joan Baez

“She has not only fought, but has led us through many righteous battles.”

Even people my age dont know hwo the fuck she is and if the do she is usually derided

32. supervixen - 19 September 2007

In spite of the pony pics and the LOLs and the !!!s, budhydrama never struck me as a happy person.

I’m not surprised he’s never read any of the literature of the spirituality he pretends to espouse. He’s a phony like so many of them.

The internet attracts fakers and con artists of all stripes. I’ve been on it for 18+ years and have seen many unsavory things.

33. Miss Devore - 19 September 2007

Loved Didion’s essay on Joan Baez–”Where the Kissing Never Stops”

34. marisacat - 19 September 2007

Wakee wakee:

Lousy Day

by BooMan
Wed Sep 19th, 2007 at 06:48:02 PM EST

Today was a really lousy day for the U.S. Senate. Republicans didn’t want to restore Habeas Corpus and they didn’t want to give the troops adequate rest. We’ve made absolutely no progress in the last six months. None.

I’m feeling very tired.

Comments >> (7 comments)

Be sure and vote for Bloooooooooo Dogs. And then fundraise for them. Then slurp for them. Then vote for them, then fundraise for them, then slurp for them.

And repeat. Then when you whine and moan, check for a diaper pin stuck in your flesh.

35. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

Like his valentine to Joan Baez

I like Joan Baez.

But it seems to me as if framing the opposition to Bush and the war in Iraq in terms of “culture” is diluting the opposition.

There’s a reason I/P diaries are banned at the Daily Kos. They directly impact on the Middle East.

But 60s hippie culture is harmless. Most of the deadheads I knew growing up were Republicans.

And it’s not just the 1960s. If I were to post diary after diary with the theme of “well if Kurt hadn’t shot himself he’d be opposing this war” I’d bore myself too.

36. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

I might find it annoying but it really doesnt resonate with anyone under 55 IMO. None of his iconography is in our memories.

I’m 48 and remember those images well. Then again, I was heavily influenced by my brother, “Mike, the hippy”.

In spite of the pony pics and the LOLs and the !!!s, budhydrama never struck me as a happy person.

Didn’t mean to say he was. That’s why I put the “happy people” thing in brackets.

37. Marie - 19 September 2007

“# 11 Rev – can’t the Chinese make anything properly? We want our protest flags made out of cotton – Indian or Egyptian will do, but we do still have some good old fasioned American cotton, I think unless were grinding all the seeds up to fry up our freedom fries or stick in our gas tanks.

38. supervixen - 19 September 2007

27- Hair, I’m not sure about Naomi W, I’ve read a lot of her writing and these latest pieces doesn’t sound much like her. However I gather she has a book coming out and is energetically flogging it so she’s liable to say anything. She does have a sensationalistic bent so it could be that she’s switching it over from sexuality/woomyinish stuff to panic about American Fascism.

39. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

Can we expect another “buck up!” diary from kos? lol

40. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

She does have a sensationalistic bent so it could be that she’s switching it over from sexuality/woomyinish stuff to panic about American Fascism.

She’s right though about the public tasing being training to accept fascism.

I argue that strategists using historical models to close down an open society start by using force on ‘undesirables,’ ‘aliens,’ ‘enemies of the state,’ and those considered by mainstream civil society to be untouchable; in other times they were, of course, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, homosexuals. Then, once society has been acculturated to that use of force, the ‘blurring of the line’ begins and the parameters of criminalized speech are extended — the definition of ‘terrorist’ expanded — and the use of force begins to be deployed in HIGHLY VISIBLE, STRATEGIC and VISUALLY SHOCKING WAYS against people that others see and identify with as ordinary citizens.

41. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

Omar Khadr is spending his 21st birthday in Gitmo, speaking of the failure to restore habeus corpus.

42. Miss Devore - 19 September 2007

41-let me guess-he got chicken L’orange? (waitaminute, that would be a great name for a blog…)

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

I try to expand upon my piece yesterday about the tasering to connect it to the broader, older and much more dangerous growth of police brutality and the injustice system, which seems to fit well with HCfM’s quote from Wolf:

Shout “Fire” in a Burning Country.

44. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007
45. Marie - 19 September 2007

Marisa and D. Throat #146 & 147 – sigh — I know. It’s takes a bigger man or woman than MB to resist being made (or making oneself) the center of a personality cult. And there are always so many people so eager to join one. Yes, they are all variations of Elmer Gantry. Some more venal than others but none helpful. That’s why I liked Sy Hersh’s take on Abu Ghraib and the war in general when he said that adults in every country have a duty to protect the young from being sent into such places. An adult MB would reject being a center of attention or enabling the others in the creation of their cults. I’m glad I finally watched a snippet from the beginning of yrlykos the other day because within less than 30 seconds, it was obvious that Kos is nothing but a snake oil salesman and not a very sophisticated one at that.

I also know that I give men like MB lots of breaks, try not to trample on their fragile egos, and yet, I’m still considered to be a bitch by most men. How dumb does that make me. Might as well tell them what I really think and not waste anytime for them to start shouting, “Bitch, bitch…” Years of working in a male field has socialized me to be kind to the men– so, at least I have an excuse for my passivity that isn’t inherent.

46. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

I’m not sure why there’s so much mystery about Meteor Blades. He’s another Gitlin/Marc Cooper/David Corn Vichy leftist who thinks he needs to suck up to the LGF crowd to stay “credible”.

As to his being good or bad, it’s not really the right framing. He’s neither good nor bad. That’s the point. These people simply aren’t. They’re interchangeable. It’s not the banality of evil. It’s the banality of banality.

And for the most part, this type doesn’t even make it in terms of simple capitalist success. Genuine radicals like Michael Moore or Amy Goodman or Naomi Klein seem to get it both ways. They don’t have to suck up and they make $$$.

The Meteor Blades of the world are eternally bowing and scraping for little scraps (that article in Salon, that front paged article at Kos, that post by Andrew Sullivan or Tucker Carlson that “Mr. Meteor Blades may be a a liberal but he’s one I like”).

You knew the type in high-school. They stayed late to bang erasers after class. They made a point about hating punk or rap or whatever and tell their teachers they really liked Mozart and or that “well the music in the 60s was just better”.

If there of the male variety, girls don’t like them and they wonder why.

If they’re of the female variety they get progressively more reactionary as they get older (as opposed to the male variety who just get progressively more banal).

They’re not worth worrying about.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

The return of Joe the Fixer

If I were a New Yorker trying to get to the bottom of the “Troopergate” scandal that’s enmeshed Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer, I’d be looking plenty askance at their new special prosecutor in the case:

Senate Investigations Committee Chairman George Winner, R-Elmira has, as expected, named Washington lawyer Joseph diGenova as “Special Counsel’’ in the Troopergate affair.

Amid concerns by the Republican dominated Senate that the state Ethics Commission, with a Spitzer-appointed chairman and its scheduled expiration next week, and Democratic Albany County DA David Soares would go easy on their investigation of Troopergate, Senators had said they wanted an outside counsel.

While he’s from D.C. and is an outside by Albany standards, diGenova has, as a federal prosecutor and then counsel to Congress, investigated some hefty Democratic targets including former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry in the 1980s and the Teamsters in 1997.

Of course, diGenova is known to the DFHs of the liberal blogosphere as “Joe the Fixer” for his, ah, very special prosecutorial skills. As I noted back in 2004:

For those keeping score, diGenova was the “independent counsel” appointed to investigate former President George H.W. Bush and Co. for their illegal handling of Bill Clinton’s passport files. For some reason, diGenova was conveniently appointed to the investigation just a couple of years before the U.S. District Court of Appeals ruled that the counsels’ most important attribute was independence from the administration under investigation.

48. Revisionist - 19 September 2007

“Should I feel SHAME every time I talk about my breasts?”

it goes on from there

49. Miss Devore - 19 September 2007

rev–talk about your breast anytime you want.

let me guess feminakoyanaqattsisms?

50. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

Larry in NYC is tenaciously leading the charge against Moran in the Michael Lerner diary.

I still think Chomsky got it right in his critique of the Walt/Mersheimer book. It’s not really about AIPAC. It’s about American corporate and military dominance.

AIPAC’s convenient when you want to set up the next Hitler of our time to attack.

So many people hate AIPAC now that you’d think American policy towards I/P would change.

But think about it. The approval rating for the war in Iraq is at an all time low and there’s no chance the US is pulling out, ever.

AIPAC’s one crime family among many (AIPAC, the NRA, the oil industry, the Xtian right, the health care industry). Sure, if you piss off the Luchese family, they’ll put a hit out on you. But if you wiped out the Luchese family there’d be another one to take it’s place.

It’s the system, not one ethnic lobby.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Pentagon Sued Over Mandatory Christianity

A military watchdog organization filed a lawsuit in federal court Tuesday against the Pentagon, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, and a US Army major, on behalf of an Army soldier stationed in Iraq. The suit charges the Pentagon with widespread constitutional violations by allegedly trying to force the soldier to embrace evangelical Christianity and then retaliating against him when he refused.

The complaint, filed in US District Court in Kansas City, by the nonprofit Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), on behalf of Jeremy Hall, an Army specialist currently on active duty in Speicher, Iraq, alleges that Hall’s First Amendment rights were violated beginning last Thanksgiving when, because of his atheist beliefs, he declined to participate in a Christian prayer ceremony commemorating the holiday.

“Immediately after plaintiff made it known he would decline to join hands and pray, he was confronted, in the presence of other military personnel, by the senior ranking … staff sergeant who asked plaintiff why he did not want to pray, whereupon plaintiff explained because he is an atheist,” says the lawsuit, a copy of which was provided to Truthout. “The staff sergeant asked plaintiff what an atheist is and plaintiff responded it meant that he (plaintiff) did not believe in God. This response caused the staff sergeant to tell plaintiff that he would have to sit elsewhere for the Thanksgiving dinner. Nonetheless, plaintiff sat at the table in silence and finished his meal.”

Moreover, the complaint alleges that on August 7, when Hall received permission by an Army chaplain to organize a meeting of other soldiers who shared his atheist beliefs, his supervisor, Army Major Paul Welborne, broke up the gathering and threatened to retaliate against the soldier by charging him with violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The complaint also alleges that Welborne vowed to block Hall’s reenlistment in the Army if the atheist group continued to meet – a violation of Hall’s First Amendment rights under the Constitution. Welborne is named as a defendant in the lawsuit.

“During the course of the meeting, defendant Welborne confronted the attendees, disrupted the meeting and interfered with plaintiff Hall’s and the other attendees’ rights to discuss topics of their interests,” the lawsuit alleges.

The complaint charges that Hall, who is based at Fort Riley, Kansas, has been forced to “submit to a religious test as a qualification to his post as a soldier in the United States Army,” a violation of Article VI, Clause 3 of the Constitution.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation said Defense Secretary Robert Gates is named as a defendant in the lawsuit because he has allowed the military to engage in “a pattern and practice of constitutionally impermissible promotions of religious beliefs within the Department of Defense and the United States military.”

The lawsuit seeks an injunction against Welborne from further engaging in behavior “that has the effect of establishing compulsory religious practices” and asks that Gates prevent Welborne from interfering with Hall’s free speech rights.

I hope he’s careful, else he end up dead like Pat Tilman.

52. marisacat - 19 September 2007

well AIPAC is one of many. The pro israeli greased by cash congress, MEI, MEMRI, others, MIC, the neocon themselves, the hard right think tanks, the post retirement contracts that mil get if they play “right”, the contracts either at home or in the ME, whether Israel or SArabia, etc.

it’s the whole of it. AIPAC is known as they are prominent, sponsor the famous annual dinner, the troooping of the congressional colors (green and yellow, I would say!)… and so on.

53. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

Now LarryNYC, MBNYC, and the rest of the gang are trying a flanking maneuver. They’re saying “oh I like Michael Lerner but his 9/11 Truth stuff was hard to swallow” while at the same time saying “you don’t talk this way about the Irish”.

Well, the Irish aren’t the Israelis. They’re the Palestinians, if the Palestinians happened to be white, Christian and the largest single European ethnic group in the USA and the British are the Israelis.

54. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

The pro israeli greased by cash congress, MEI, MEMRI, others, MIC, the neocon themselves, the hard right think tanks, the post retirement contracts that mil get if they play “right”, the contracts either at home or in the ME, whether Israel or SArabia, etc.

Well, the interests of the arms industry and the Israeli lobby coinicide nicely. When they don’t, the Israeli lobby gets smacked down.

Remember a few months ago how they were whining through their contacts in the press about how the US military isn’t buying their super duper anti-IED system?

How much have you heard about it since. Even the Israeli lobby isn’t messing with Lockheed Martin.

I also think there are a number of dead hooker in the Casino (see Godfather II) incidents and photos of hot gay sex in reserve to, um, persuade all those congressman who come back from all those nice junkets to Israel to vote their way.

55. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

But in some ways this debate on the Lobby is a nice outer perimeter of defense for the ruling class.

There’s so much pressure not to criticize the lobby that it’s a struggle to criticize the lobby. It’s like a bad lawsuit. It sucks down your energy.

And when you win, you get to be Pat Buchanan.

The Lobby’s great at this kind of distraction. Think about how LGF and Michelle Malkin start shreiking bloody murder every time some public person is seen wearing a Kafihyeh (someday I’m going to learn how to spell that and bourgieosie).

Well, I can say “hey fuck you I’m wearing my Kafiyeh” and guess what, no intelligent person cares.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Richmond VA City Democratic Committee Passes Bush-Cheney Impeachment Resolution Using Jefferson’s Manual

On September 7, 2007, Jim Nachman, chairman of the Richmond City Democratic Committee, announced the passing by the Committee of a resolution calling for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney. The resolution was brought before the Committee by Christopher Dorsey and passed by an overwhelming majority. The vehicle used by the Committee was Jefferson’s Manual, a set of parliamentary guidelines written by Thomas Jefferson and used by the House of Representatives.

Some, but not all, of the reasons listed in the Resolution include the administration’s conducting electronic surveillance of American citizens without seeking warrants; indefinite detention of citizens; torture of prisoners; and intentionally misleading the Congress and public regarding the treat from Iraq in order to justify a war against Iraq, in violation of Title 18 United States Code, Section 1001.

Over 184 state legislatures, cities and towns, political committees, and constituent groups have passed similar Resolutions. Other Democratic Committees in the local metro area are considering Impeachment Resolutions.

The text passed by the Richmond City Democratic Committee reads:

WHEREAS, Jefferson’s Manual section LIII, 603, states that impeachment may be set in motion by charges transmitted from the legislature of a State; and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush and Richard Cheney have intentionally misled the Congress and the public regarding the threat from Iraq in order to justify a war against Iraq, in violation of Title 18 United States Code, Section 1001 and intentionally conspired with others to defraud the United States in connection with the war against Iraq in violation of Title 18 United States Code, Section 371; and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush and Richard Cheney have admitted to ordering the National Security Agency to conduct electronic surveillance of American civilians without seeking warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, duly constituted by Congress in 1978, in violation of Title 50 United States Code, Section 1805; and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush and Richard Cheney have conspired to commit the torture of prisoners in violation of the UN Torture Convention and the Geneva Convention, which under Article VI of the Constitution are part of the “supreme Law of the Land”; and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush and Richard Cheney have acted to strip Americans of their constitutional rights by ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to legal counsel, without charge and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the President of a U.S. citizen as an “enemy combatant”, all in subversion of law; and

WHEREAS, In all of this George W. Bush and Richard Cheney have acted in a manner contrary to their trust as President and Vice President, subversive of constitutional government to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the Commonwealth of Virginia and of the United States.

Be it resolved that George W. Bush and Richard Cheney by such conduct, warrant impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

WHEREAS, Jefferson’s Manual section LIII, 603, states that impeachment may be set in motion by charges transmitted from the legislature of a State;

Be it resolved that George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, by such conduct, warrant impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States;

Be it resolved further that the Richmond City Democratic Committee requests that the Virginia State Legislature submit these charges to the U.S. House of Representatives under Jefferson’s Manual section LIII, 603 as grounds for impeachment.

57. ms_xeno - 19 September 2007

HC:

…AIPAC’s one crime family among many (AIPAC, the NRA, the oil industry, the Xtian right, the health care industry). Sure, if you piss off the Luchese family, they’ll put a hit out on you. But if you wiped out the Luchese family there’d be another one to take it’s place….

Which is fine so far as it goes, but by the same token I’ve heard apologists for AIPAC-driven policy deny that Palestinians are suffering under a system that looks like apartheid, walks like it, quacks like it, etc.

Not anyone here, of course.

If hegemony has more than one locale, than obviously so do the oppressed. I don’t like the apologists hiding behind me while they try to have their cake and eat it, too. :(

58. marisacat - 19 September 2007

HC

I agree as to who is on top. And to the blackmail.

I wish they’d all drown in the shrinking Dead Sea.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

If you want to know why the Donklephants WON’T stop the war, why they SUPPORT the war, then go read this.

While policymakers in Washington wrangle over how much progress we’ve made in Iraq, one thing is clear: The war on terror is making some people rich.

President Bush’s military buildup has caused defense-contractor revenue to double, triple and even more during the past five years, and their executives have reaped huge bonuses and stock windfalls as the companies’ share prices have jumped.

Take a look:

CEOs at top defense contractors have reaped annual pay gains of 200% to 688% in the years since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

The chief executives at the seven defense contractors whose bosses made the most pocketed nearly a half-billion dollars from 2002 through last year.

The CEOs made an average of $12.4 million a year, easily more than the average corporate chief. Since the start of the war, CEOs at defense contractors such General Dynamics (GD, news, msgs), Halliburton (HAL, news, msgs) and Oshkosh Truck (OSK, news, msgs) have made, on average, more in four days than what a top general makes in a whole year, or $187,390.

Defense contractor CEOs are enjoying these big rewards partly because much of the war effort is being outsourced by an administration that believes private companies do things better than the public sector, say researchers at the Institute for Policy Studies and United for a Fair Economy.

“In the most privatized war in history, lucrative opportunities abound for chief executives of defense contractors,” says Sarah Anderson of the Institute for Policy Studies.

The numbers in the rest of the article are stunning, and I bet they’re only the visible foam on the top of a vast sea of blood.

60. moiv - 19 September 2007

MitM # 51

Bruce Wilson had a diary yesterday about MTTF, featuring the Jeremy Hall case.

MRFF Lawsuit Alleges Mandatory Christianity in US Military

61. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

but by the same token I’ve heard apologists for AIPAC-driven policy deny that Palestinians are suffering under a system that looks like apartheid, walks like it, quacks like it, etc.

Oh, I’m not defending Israeli attitudes towards the Palestinians. It’s racism tinged with a weird sort of (shall we say) sense of “caste” (in the sense that “caste” is more than just racism or class). Read enough hard core lobby writing on the Palestinians and it feels like you’re reading a high caste Indian talking about an untoucable. It’s not secular. It’s very baroquoe and really not something I entirely understand.

But Moran wasn’t even talking about the Palestinians. He was talking about the Lobby’s influence in the invasion of Iraq (which was considerable) and the power “American Jews” would have had to stop it (to which I’d say “are you kidding”. Bush/Cheney don’t give a flying fuck what Jews or anybody else thinks).

In a sense, Moran was talking to Jews the way Bill Cosby was talking to blacks. He was wagging his finger and saying “well you people have to do better”.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/26973“>Specific Suggestion: General Strike

From World Can’t Wait

Go, now and get the October Harper’s magazine. The Notebook feature is not online yet. So buy it, and let’s correspond about what Garret Keizer posits in “Specific Suggestion: General Strike.” Here are the first two sections:

Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust. Isaiah 26:19

1. Of all the various depredations of the Bush regime, none has been so thorough as its plundering of hope. Iraq will recover sooner. What was supposed to have been the crux of our foreign policy—a shock-and-awe tutorial on the utter futility of any opposition to the whims of American power—has achieved its greatest and perhaps its only lasting success in the American soul.

You will want to cite the exceptions, the lunch-hour protests against the war, the dinner-party ejaculations of dissent, though you might also want to ask what substantive difference they bear to grousing about the weather or even to raging against the dying of the light—that is, to any ritualized complaint against forces universally acknowledges as unalterable. Bush is no longer the name of a president so much as the abbreviation of a proverb, something between Murphy’s Law and tomorrow’s fatal inducement to drink and be merry today.

If someone were to suggest, for example, that we begin a general strike on Election Day, November 6, 2007, for the sole purpose of removing this regime from power, how readily and with what well-practiced assurance would you find yourself producing the words “It won’t do any good”? Plausible and even courageous in the mouth of a patient who knows he’s going to die, the sentiment fits equally well in the heart of a citizenry that believes it is already dead.

2. Any strike, whether it happens in a factory, a nation, or a marriage, amounts to a reaffirmation of consent. The strikers remind the overlords—and, equally important, themselves—that the seemingly perpetual machinery of daily life has an off switch as well as an on. Camus said that the one serious question of philosophy is whether or not to commit suicide; the one serious question of political philosophy is whether or not to get out of bed. Silly as it may have seemed at the time, John and Yoko’s famous stunt was based on a profound observation. Instant karma is not so instant—we ratify it day by day.

The stream of commuters heading into the city, the caravan of tractor-trailers pulling out of the rest stop into the dawn’s early light, speak a deep-throated Yes to the sum total of what’s going on in our collective life. The poet Richard Wilbur writes of the “ripped mouse” that “cries Concordance” in the talons of the owl; we too cry our daily assent in the grip of the prevailing order—expect in those notable instances when, like a donkey or a Buddha, we refuse to budge.

The question we need to ask our selves at this moment is what further provocations we require to justify digging in our heels. To put the question more pointedly: Are we willing to wait until the next presidential election, or for some interim congressional conversion experience, knowing that if we do wait, hundreds of our sons and daughters will be needlessly destroyed? Another poet, Cesar Vallejo, framed the question like this:

A man shivers with cold, coughs, spits up blood.
Will it ever be fitting to allude to my inner soul?..

A cripple sleeps with one foot on his shoulder.
Shall I later on talk about Picasso, of all people?

A young man goes to Walter Reed without a face. Shall I make an appointment with my barber?

A female prisoner is sodomized at Abu Ghraib. Shall I send a check to the Clinton campaign?

63. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

moiv … that is a fantastic video. Thanks so much for the link.

I’m looking forward to their upcoming lawsuits and more details. Is he posting it eventually at Talk to Action eventually?

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

oops, not video, LINK.

I’m losing it.

65. supervixen - 19 September 2007

Aaarrghh. I would like to work towards a world in which supposedly feminist women DO NOT TALK ABOUT THEIR BREASTS ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Or their SHOES. Or their CLOTHES. Or SEX.

Really, folks, it’s not too difficult. There are many other topics to be interested in, and women are more than just bodies to be ogled, fucked, and adorned.

66. Marie - 19 September 2007

HC #46 Almost too good, but whaddya mean the music wasn’t better in the ’60s?

Not to select out that comment, but you’re on a roll this evening. Or maybe it’s just me because I”ve been getting the jokes here the past couple of days. (I know, I know, in some ways I’m slow.

On that General Strike thingy – American’s aren’t personally hurting enough to go there yet. Which is why I proposed a one hour (lunch hour) stand on the streets. Start there and if needed, work our way up to a full day, It’s not something that’s in the genes of Americans or we bred those out of our genes with our creepy corporate sponsored nationalism and militarism

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Fortress America, but protecting us from what?

Music Scholar Barred From U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why

Nalini Ghuman, an up-and-coming musicologist and expert on the British composer Edward Elgar, was stopped at the San Francisco airport in August last year and, without explanation, told that she was no longer allowed to enter the United States.

Her case has become a cause célèbre among musicologists and the subject of a protest campaign by the American Musicological Society and by academic leaders like Leon Botstein, the president of Bard College at Annandale-on-Hudson, N.Y., where Ms. Ghuman was to have participated last month in the Bard Music Festival, showcasing Elgar’s music.

But the door has remained closed to Ms. Ghuman, an assistant professor at Mills College in Oakland, Calif., who is British and who had lived, studied and worked in this country for 10 years before her abrupt exclusion.

The mystery of her case shows how difficult, if not impossible, it is to defend against such a decision once the secretive government process has been set in motion.

After a year of letters and inquiries, Ms. Ghuman and her Mills College lawyer have been unable to find out why her residency visa was suddenly revoked, or whether she was on some security watch list. Nor does she know whether her application for a new visa, pending since last October, is being stymied by the shadow of the same unspecified problem or mistake.

Ms. Ghuman’s descent into the bureaucratic netherworld began on Aug. 8, 2006, when she and Mr. Flight returned to San Francisco from a research trip to Britain. Armed immigration officers met them at the airplane door and escorted Ms. Ghuman away.

In a written account of the next eight hours that she prepared for her lawyer, Ms. Ghuman said that officers tore up her H-1B visa, which was valid through May 2008, defaced her British passport, and seemed suspicious of everything from her music cassettes to the fact that she had listed Welsh as a language she speaks. A redacted government report about the episode obtained by her lawyer under the Freedom of Information Act erroneously described her as “Hispanic.”

Held incommunicado in a room in the airport, she was groped during a body search, she said, and was warned that if she moved, she would be considered to be attacking her armed female searcher. After questioning her for hours, the officers told her that she had been ruled inadmissible, she said, and threatened to transfer her to a detention center in Santa Clara, Calif., unless she left on a flight to London that night.

Outside, Mr. Flight made frantic calls for help. He said the British Consulate tried to get through to the immigration officials in charge, to no avail. And Ms. Ghuman said her demands to speak to the British consul were rebuffed.

“They told me I was nobody, I was nowhere and I had no rights,” she said. “For the first time, I understood what the deprivation of liberty means.”

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

I posted a Times link that just went into spam.

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Arthur Magazine’s Magpie blog has good pic of the die in in DC last Saturday.

70. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

#59. Smedley Butler must be rolling over in his grave.

71. keirdubois - 19 September 2007

31. Revisionist

I didn’t really enjoy OPOL’s appropriation of Hunter Thompson’s image one time. HST was not a hippy dippy lefty, and always exaggerated that stuff, especially the drugs. I’m only 30 and even I know that.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Everytime you think you’ve heard it all (found via Balloon Juice):

U.S. Working to Reshape Iraqi Detainees

The U.S. military has introduced “religious enlightenment” and other education programs for Iraqi detainees, some of whom are as young as 11, Marine Maj. Gen. Douglas M. Stone, the commander of U.S. detention facilities in Iraq, said yesterday.

Stone said such efforts, aimed mainly at Iraqis who have been held for more than a year, are intended to “bend them back to our will” and are part of waging war in what he called “the battlefield of the mind.” Most of the younger detainees are held in a facility that the military calls the “House of Wisdom.”

The religious courses are led by Muslim clerics who “teach out of a moderate doctrine,” Stone said, according to the transcript of a conference call he held from Baghdad with a group of defense bloggers. Such schooling “tears apart” the arguments of al-Qaeda, such as “Let’s kill innocents,” and helps to “bring some of the edge off” the detainees, he said.

As a result of the increased U.S. troop presence in Iraq this year, the number of Iraqis in U.S. detention has swelled from about 10,000 last year to more than 25,000. The effort to reshape attitudes among the growing detainee population is aimed at addressing a problem that has vexed U.S. troops in Iraq for the past four years: Military detention facilities have served as breeding grounds for extremist views, transforming some prisoners into hard-core insurgents, according to military analysts.

Stone said he wants to identify “irreconcilables” — those detainees whose views cannot be moderated — and “put them away” in permanent detention facilities. Psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors and interrogators help distinguish the extremists from others, he said.

After reassessments and interrogations, Stone said, some detainees are recommended for release. “If a detainee is an imperative security risk . . . then I’m going to reduce that risk and I’m going to replace that destructive ideology,” he said. “And then when he’s assessed to no longer be a threat, I’m going to release the detainee being less likely to be a recidivist.”

Since May, Stone said, he has released about 2,000 detainees “and we’ve not had any coming back.” He said his goal is to keep those who are released from harming U.S. troops or anyone else. “They’re not going out of here unless I can feel comfortable about that,” Stone added. “I’m not doing mass releases.”

73. Marie - 19 September 2007

moive and MitM thanks for the posts on the religion and the military. Only got through a couple of minutes of that video. Cults creep me out. Be they Mormon, “New Age” or Campus Crusade for Christ (first ran into those guys in the late sixties and they were nasty if you weren’t with them).

SV – those are just narcissists that co-opt the language of feminism and turn it inside out because they think it makes them look cool. When in fact it just makes them look like garden variety misogynsts circa 1958 with a Britney Spears fetish or fantasy.

74. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

Almost too good, but whaddya mean the music wasn’t better in the ’60s?

Speaking of the 60s, this is pretty contemporary. 60s music and 2007 politics.

75. Marie - 19 September 2007

#70 – along with Harry Truman.

76. moiv - 19 September 2007

Madman –

Bruce usually posts first at TTA, and I don’t know why he hasn’t posted this piece there yet. But here’s the index of all TTA stories on Dominionism in the Military. There’s some good stuff there.

77. Marie - 19 September 2007

#73 HC – thanks that’s pretty good (except for the inclusion of Elian that has nothing to do with the theme and is really gratuitous).

Guess when I think comtemporary, I think of Hip Hop and Rap which I loathe. Love the post GWB comment Dixie Chicks.

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Thanks moiv … I’ll keep an eye out for more developments in his work on those lawsuits.

I found an interesting piece by Folkbum.

Is Hillary Clinton a Socialist?
by folkbum

I ask because any time I set foot into any of Wisconsin’s more palatable right-wing blogs, I get pelted by that notion, that you can throw a beard on the senator and she’d be a dead ringer for Karl Marx.

Clinton is not my candidate (which is not all that significant, as I probably won’t pick a candidate before the primaries), and not the first one I would choose if I had a gun to my head, so this is not some sort of knee-jerk defense of someone I have pledged my time and dollars to. But I do think I can speak with some authority as someone who has watched Democratic politics for some time now, someone who has watched Hillary Clinton since 1992, and someone who knows a thing or two about being a part of the drum-circle left, as we have been labeled.

And I say this: Hillary Clinton is not as liberal as you think she is.

Now, that’s not a surprise to us, but he takes it a step further and plugs in the various presidential candidates into the Political Compass thing, using their voting records and public documents. NONE of us would be surprised that ALL of them are in the upper-right, RIGHT/AUTHORITARIAN quadrant of the field. Hit the link, take a look. It’s depressing, but not surprising.

79. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

Marx is a Communist, not a socialist.

80. Hair Club for Men - 19 September 2007

I took the test and came out as a left libertarian. Then I clicked recommended reading for left libertarians and got books by Eric Alterman and Benjamin Barber.

Hmmmm…….

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

There is lots of good stuff out there Marie, it’s just hard to find, not flogged by the labels or radio or “music” (once in a while) video stations.

For good rap, there is Spearhead/Michael Franti, Common, Jurrassic Five … and I’m old and out of touch since I left NYC, so there is probably new guys this old fart no longer hears about. There is lots of good folk and “Americana”/American Roots/alt-folk/singer-songwriter/whatever-the-fuck-you-want-to-call-it coming out, like the new Joe Henry (not to mention all of the great stuff he produces these days), Steve Earle, Patty Griffin. Page through No Depression magazine at your local big bookstore for some good reviews and interviews. Some great metal and hard-to-catagorize progressive stuff (like on Mike Patton’s Ipecac label) is also out there. Oh, and Bluegrass has got LOTS of good stuff happening (it may not be traditional, but Jim Lauderdale has a couple of great Bluegrassish discs out). Oh, and some great so-called “World” (ie, not white Americans/Brits) music is out there too.

I’d have provided links, but the resulting singularity caused by WordPress trying to put a multi-linked post into uber spam might have destroyed the interweb and all silicone-chipped devices wired or wi-fied into it.

82. marisacat - 19 September 2007

when I take that compass thing, my little dot is struggling to get off the grid. Away from the whole thing.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

actually, I shouldn’t have typed ALL of them, Kucinich and Gravel are in the “left/libertarian” quadrant. I end up WAY down in the lower left-hand corner.

Oh, the Alterman thing is funny. I’d stick him nearish the center in the left/authoritarian catagory.

84. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

I’m somewhere down by Gandhi. It’s been a while since I took that test.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Left I on the News: Sept. 15 Antiwar Demonstration: The Speeches.

He’s also got a quickie up about the silliness out of the Bush Admin and Israel complaining about Iran saying they would retaliate if they are attacked.

86. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26

87. supervixen - 19 September 2007

I’ve never even bothered to take the Political Compass thingie.

Marie, MitM is right, there’s a lot of really great music out there, but it usually doesn’t get on the mainstream radio playlists, or into the mainstream press. Often it doesn’t even get into this country! Most of the singers I listen to sing in a foreign language, for example, this guy.

88. marisacat - 19 September 2007

Madman

thanks for the link to Arthur mag and the photos/DC

89. Marie - 19 September 2007

#82 – Marisa, sadly I’m on the grid, but lower and to the left of DK. No wonder I can’t stand any of these politicians — we don’t belong in the same species.

#86 – you’re almost off the grid there too. Today I’m only -7.xx econ and -6.xx on the other one.

90. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

woo hoo, a new PJ Harvey comes out next week!

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

IOZ pegs the latest Donklephant “failure”:

Could Be, Who Knows

Man. It’s almost as if the Democrats are pretty sure they’re going to take the White House in 2008. It’s almost as if they think the president oughta have all those “vast new” powers.

92. BooHooHooMan - 19 September 2007

Catnip It’s true Butler must be rolling over in his grave. I betcha he’s still pissed his folks named him Smedley though :D

93. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

Joe Lieberman, by the way, discussed Presidential election primary reform before the Senate Rules and Administration Committee today. He claims he wants integrity and fairness restored to Presidential elections.

Joe Lieberman believes elections should be fair.

These people are shameless.

94. Saint Shadowthief - 19 September 2007

29. liberalcatnip – 19 September 2007

I liked OPOL’s determination. As for buhdy, people who continually post ponies (and people who are happy happy all the time) kind of annoy me.

That’s just it. He’s NOT happy happy all the time. Buddybuddhaboy is a very angry person–shockingly so in his emails to me, and again on Politicalfleshfeast and on “his” blog. The “Up With People!” attitude never fooled me, but those who are shocked were those who were gulled by his mask.

The mask is now off. Buddyboy is a sociopath like the rest of the blogging barons. Somebody really ought to study the mentality of these people who are drawn to start political blogs, but really, truly hate people. Booman, MSOC, Buddyboy, Kos, Armando–all of them narcissistic and paranoid and prone to projecting their own Grand Canyon-sized faults onto others.

95. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

Grand Canyon?

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

oh, and it took me a while to catch up on the huge backlog you people create while I’m at work staring at spreadsheets and cutting and pasting boilerplate into documents, but I just wanted to thank Steven D for stopping by and reminding me that I’m “controversial”. Warmed the cockles of my heart.

97. Saint Shadowthief - 19 September 2007

65. supervixen – 19 September 2007

Aaarrghh. I would like to work towards a world in which supposedly feminist women DO NOT TALK ABOUT THEIR BREASTS ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Or their SHOES. Or their CLOTHES. Or SEX.

I agree. I would like to build a world in which women talk about ME all the time. In a favourable manner, of course.

But that’s just the point: the “feminist” women on DailyKogs are a bad parody of actual feminists–they are what Markos Moulitsas thinks is “chick talk”. Why do you think his wife’s blog is titled “Mother Talkers”? Why not “Father Talkers”? It’s “Mother Talkers” and not “Father Talkers” because a woman is not a full-fledged person but rather a function derived from her relation to men: mother, wife, sister, daughter, whore, lover, saint.

Not exactly a new attitude, but nonetheless depressing to see so many men, and women, still hold it.

98. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

yvw, Marisacat. I like Arthur’s website a lot. Unfortunately, the only indie record store in town that distributes the paper version is way outside of my usual haunts and travel routes … and the local bus service being the increasingly shitty (and declining, thanks to the wingers in the ‘burbs who control the budget) and sporadic crap that it is, not worth the long time and multiple transfers it would take to get there just to get a free paper, even though it’s only about 4 miles from my apt.

Their takedown of Godsmack last year for selling their music to the Pentagon for recruiting is classic.

JAY: So I notice you guys have been really involved with promoting the military. [1]

SULLY: Well, they actually came to us, believe it or not. Somebody in the Navy loves this band, because they used “Awake” for three years and then they came to us and re-upped the contract for another three years for “Sick of Life.” So, I don’t know. They just feel like that music, [laughs] someone in that place thinks that the music is very motivating for recruit commercials I guess. And hey, I’m an American boy so it’s not… I’m proud of it.

JAY: You’re proud of recruiting your fans into the military?

SULLY: Well, no. [laughs, then playfully] Don’t be turning my fucking words around, you!

JAY: Well, tell me what you mean. You said your music is powerful, it’s got an effect, like you said, and you’re letting the military use it. The military, who are they recruiting? 18-to-30-year-olds, right?

SULLY: I guess. I don’t know what their recruit age is. I know it’s at least 18.

JAY: Yeah, they do down in the high schools now.

SULLY: My thing is… Listen, here’s my thing with the military. I’m not saying our government is perfect. Because I know that we make some mistakes and we do shitty things BUT, BUT. You wouldn’t have your job, and we wouldn’t have our lives, if we weren’t out there protecting this country so we could lead a free life. So there’s kind of a ying and a yang to that. Sometimes it’s not always the best choices that we make, or we stick our noses in other people’s shit, but at the same time, we protect this place enough that we’re able to like pursue careers and do what a lot of people in other countries aren’t able to do. They’re kind of picked and they’re chosen to be whatever they become� I’m proud to be an American, I’ll tell you that.

JAY: So your country, right or wrong?

SULLY: Uh, no. Not right or wrong. But I’m proud to be an American. I love my country. I’ve seen the depressions and how people live in other countries and how they’re told what to be, and they don’t have the choices that we have. I do love that about our country. So, you know… And I actually sympathize with a lot of the soliders, and the military in general, that are trained to go out and protect FOR us, and what they have to go through, it’s really kind of shitty in a sense that these young kids have to go over there and die, sometimes, for something that isn’t our fucking problem. And that kind of sucks. So what I have to do is at least support them, because they don’t have the choice that we do.

JAY: They don’t have the choice because…?

SULLY: Because they’ve decided to fight for our country.

JAY: And they decided to do that because…?

SULLY: [laughs]…

99. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

Markos’s wife is also an operative. It is his sad attempt to control the minds of soccer moms.

100. Marie - 19 September 2007

#93 – anti – you have to understand holy Joe – he truly believes if elections were fair he would be living in the WH today.

#94 – they’re all fascist libertarians. Living in the third dimension of that grid. otherwise known as la-la land.

101. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 September 2007

Sweet dreams everybody. Thanks for the great links and “conversation” (bloggersation), as usual.

Oh, and I especially want to thank our hostess for putting together such effective and powerful reminders of what our 51st state is doing to the Palestinian people. I can always count on you for great stuff from publications that I forget to check in on often enough.

“See” ya’ all on the ‘morrow.

102. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

I sometimes wonder if these events occur for a reason.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5149608.html

ST. GEORGE, Utah — The two people at the center of a criminal case against a polygamous-sect leader have painted dramatically different pictures of their arranged marriage.

A young woman said she tearfully objected and was forced to have sex against her will when she was just 14.

Her tears? Her husband didn’t recall any during the 2001 wedding ceremony and insisted it was the teen bride who snuggled up to him to have her back scratched before their first sexual encounter.

“I believe that every story needs two sides for the truth to come out,” Allen Steed said Wednesday as he testified for the defense.

103. Marie - 19 September 2007

#98 – re: Sully – guess they don’t teach logic in schools anymore. The guy isn’t completely factually challenged (although he doesn’t seem to have a clue about anything outside the US) but he can’t string them together to reach a logical conclusion. Yeah we do bad things but that’s okay because it keeps me free to do my thing. Why not just say, we’re fighting them over there so that we don’t have to fight them here.

104. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

Capitalism has created a new equation:

money=crack=child

Across Missouri: St. Louis man sentenced to five years in sex trafficking case
ST. LOUIS | Man sentenced in sex trafficking case

A St. Louis man was sentenced Friday to five years in prison in a case in which federal prosecutors have said a child was essentially bought and sold for crack cocaine.

Darrill Gray, 51, pleaded guilty April 26 to one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of a juvenile. Co-defendant John Geiler Jr., 36, was sentenced to three years and nine months in prison on Aug. 17 on the same charge.

In January, Geiler took a 17-year-old girl to locations in Jefferson County and St. Louis to work as a prostitute. He provided her with crack cocaine, according to court records.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/276075.html

If the liberal blogosphere was truly liberal, we would discuss the reasons why these and other events occur.

105. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

Catnip It’s true Butler must be rolling over in his grave. I betcha he’s still pissed his folks named him Smedley though

Maybe “Smedley” was a hot name at the time. ;)

Okay now – just to clear up this minor point – I didn’t say budhy was one of those “happy people”. They just popped into my head when thinking of people who annoy me (besides those who, like budhy, post pony pics).

Carry on.

106. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007
107. marisacat - 19 September 2007

anti hege

issues of forced sex, sex work/workers, porn, etc., have been discussed here, some months ago. Several times.

108. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007
109. moiv - 19 September 2007

Re: the ongoing Warren Jeffs trial, the Salt Lake Trib has more than we ought to want to know.

Jane Doe’s older sisters testified Monday that they and the rest of her family knew the 14-year-old did not want to marry her cousin and expressed their concerns to church leaders but none of the family took action to stop the ceremony.
Rebecca Musser, a plural wife of then-prophet Rulon T. Jeffs, advised Doe to speak with Fred Jessop, her stepfather; the prophet; and his son Warren, then a counselor.
It was Jessop who had “put the marriage together” and refused to change his mind, Musser said.
A day or so before the marriage took place in 2001, Musser went to her own husband to relay Doe’s concerns. Rulon Jeffs’ response: “What the hell is Fred thinking?” Musser said.
Warren Jeffs, according to Musser, then explained that Jessop was insisting that the marriage take place and that “because of who he is we’d like to honor his request.”
Jessop, now deceased, was the bishop of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and second counselor in the faith.

“There was nothing we could do to stop it,” said Musser, who like Doe said FLDS teachings prevented them from doing anything but going along with the divinely inspired marriage.

To have opposed it would have caused a great embarrassment to the family, Musser said, and even caused Doe or the family to be exiled from the faith.

Musser instead helped make Doe’s wedding dress, describing her as sobbing so heavily at times that fitting the lace on the bodice was difficult. She also helped decorate Doe’s bedroom as a “honeymoon hideout,” placing chocolates, cookies and a congratulatory poster on the newly installed queen-sized bed.

“You did not believe when you were decorating the room . . . that you were encouraging the rape of your sister?” asked Walter F. Bugden, one of Jeffs’ attorneys.

“Not in those words, no,” she said.

Not in those words . . .

110. Revisionist - 19 September 2007

monks…

i was going to blog that catnip… i have been following it for a few weeks. at first i thought it was weid because they are buhddist monsk and have been getting violent. but i read up on it and they have been a driving political force for years. The governemnt goes lightly on them because the people would go apeshit if they really cracked down.

111. Marie - 19 September 2007

“I’m probably one of the four or five best known Americans in the world,” Giuliani told a small group of reporters

Yes, right up there with OJ, GWB, Homer and Tom Cruise. A small time murderer and thief, a big time murderer and big thief, a cartoon and one tht does his best to act like a cartoon. Good company Rudy, but what does it mean? It’s not like the world gets to vote and if they did they wouldn’t be voting for you or GWB. He so much wants to be part of the famous killers gang but famous cartoon is about all she wrote for Rudy. (Although I must question his claim — Rudy who? is more likely in most of the world.)

112. moiv - 19 September 2007

Mama and Papa Butler made up for naming him Smedley when they gave him the middle name of Darlington.

What else could he have grown up to be but a Marine?

113. marisacat - 19 September 2007

Marie,

add Michael Jackson to the list.

If Guiliani pushes this, he gets the list that is…

114. Revisionist - 19 September 2007

Smedley was the one who fired on Tampico where I used to vacation

115. Marie - 19 September 2007

Marisa, I knew that I was missing a biggie. That should knock out either Homer or Cruise but they’re both so perfect in their own way that I can’t decide.

Moiv – imagine what Semdly could have become if only his mother had nameed him Rhett.

116. mattes - 19 September 2007

#105, liberalcatnip.

They’re happy because they have a simple mind and don’t question anything to closely. IMO.

I did like all those buddhist photos buddy posted. But now I know he’s a fraud. And as usual, things are not what they seem.

117. antihegemonic - 19 September 2007

This quote explains it all:

“We were taught there is no force in the Celestial Kingdom,” said Margaret Thomas, 31. ”If we want to be there, we have to be there by our own choice.”

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_6934598

That is quite the convenient arrangement the boys out in Utah enjoy with their little slave girls.

But according to thereisnospoon, there is no rape.

118. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

There are way too many exclamation marks at DocuDrama.

119. moiv - 19 September 2007

Yes, Marie, but Smedley made Major General, and in my copy of GWTW, Rhett was only “Captain” Butler. ;)

120. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

They’re happy because they have a simple mind and don’t question anything to closely. IMO.

Or they’re Christian evangelists. Oh wait – same thing.

I did like all those buddhist photos buddy posted. But now I know he’s a fraud. And as usual, things are not what they seem.

Well I don’t know how you call yourself a Taoist and then admit you never studied Taoist texts. I guess I could say I’m a biker, even though I don’t have bike or know anything about them. It just sounds k3wl, doesn’t it?

121. marisacat - 19 September 2007

NEW Video from AQ… audio clips from Osama!

122. Revisionist - 19 September 2007

i knwo christians who have never read the bible.

123. mattes - 19 September 2007

LOL….and today he’s a zen monk. What a jokester.

124. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

I think I’ll be a pope tomorrow. Better crochet myself the hat.

125. D. Throat - 19 September 2007

HA!!!

DHgottafindaJOB is auditioning as a “Democrat” on the front page of DK.

He has managed to push all the right “left wing” buttons by a stating and restating the obvious. Instead of the usual “Fuck Bush” useless diatribe … all DH could muster was this little known obsolete GOPer Boogie man… of no consequence. Kinda like the ones that he made Hodes retract his support from a very well like Democrat in NH.

I guess this is DH’s “I’ll show ‘em whose boss” diary… of course once again DH’s “courage” only comes from surrounding himself with sycophants…. it is one thing to tell off GOPers from the safety of the DK front page… but DH crapped in his pants when he was confronted in an all blue district in and all blue state… he choked like the coward he is….

But what makes this diary different from all the rest he has made in the past 4 years is this is the first one he hasn’t called a commentor and “asshole” or attacked “voting Democrats”.

Of course the usual suspects and his BFF Meteor Blades showed up to give emotional support.

Someone in the thread should yell “GOPER” just to watch DH crawl under his desk “Where?”.

126. liberalcatnip - 19 September 2007

DH: By the way, if you want a copy of Vale of Tears, prices on Amazon start at the laughably low $1.86.

And, if you want a copy of Crashing the Gate, prices on Amazon start at the laughably low $5.13.

127. Marie - 20 September 2007

#122 – Rev – few Catholics read the Bible. They just stick with the excerpt in their missals.

#126 lc – I don’t know why anybody would read those books let alone pay money for them. Contemporary political and vanity political books are just dreck. They have no perspective nor insight. Really pisses me off when I pay good money for a crappy book. “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” was a rip off I’m still kicking myself about.

128. D. Throat - 20 September 2007

Fear of terrorists, fear of tolerance, fear of protecting Americans’ First Amendment rights. It’s the basis of Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign, for which King is a prominent advisor. It’s the basis of the GOP’s entire strategy toward the electorate; toss some of them aside (like Muslims), rely on the dead-enders in the Republican base, and try to fool voters not tied closely to the Democrats by scaring the hell out of them.

Well DH ought to know since they scared the shit out of him and… he ran as far from the Democratic candidate as possible … lest his boss be painted with the same crooked brush… then DH shat in his pants. I am positive during this whole brouhaha in NH… DH was happily bashing and tearing apart “Democratic voters” in the threads of Daily Kos…. COWARD.

129. Marie - 20 September 2007

Miss D – somebody’s crystal ball has a surprise in it for you. And not one of those welcome ones.

130. Revisionist - 20 September 2007

Big Nanny is after directed energy weapons. She;s going to tase us all

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=410

131. moiv - 20 September 2007

129 ….

From the diary:

Kos himself, having negotiated a subprime loan in 2005, saw the handwriting on the wall, and moved his family into MissDevore’s basement.

Concern troll here. I don’t think Miss Devore (2+ / 0-)

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eeff, roses

has a basement. Maybe a storage room.

It is never too late to be what you might have been…George Eliot.

by begone on Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 01:51:14 AM CDT

**************************************

Even if it’s only a coat closet (0 / 0)

under the stairs, ¡No pasarán!

Not while her chihuahua yet breathes.

The TEA Fund: Practicing random acts of kindness to women

by moiv on Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:46:37 AM

132. Revisionist - 20 September 2007

hey moiv are you a TU?

133. marisacat - 20 September 2007

new post/thread

LINK

134. NYCee - 20 September 2007

Good visuals up there, Marisa. Very relevant to the currently and always messier mess they are making in “the region.”

I have precious little time to post or even read blogs these days, but must say, after taking a little time to read the last thread, such a loser, that docudharma post that says I/P discussions are banned. The edict seems to be – just lift and separate the two, or no go, no how. Wow. That is so par for the taboo course. Dont tell me that blog is touted as progressive antidote to the status quo.

Just D-O-N-’-T.

Please.

Later!


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