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Them. Again. 26 September 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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      Hillary Sept 26 NH debate

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. answers a question during a debate at Dartmouth College Wednesday, Sept. 26, 2007 in Hanover, N.H. (AP Photo/Jim Cole)

yup yup… that is her.  tonight, in NH….

and the headline already?

Dems can’t make guarantee on Iraq troops  

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

HANOVER, N.H. – The three leading Democratic presidential hopefuls conceded Wednesday night they could not guarantee that all U.S. combat troops would be gone from Iraq by 2013, the end of the next president’s first term in office.

“I think it’s hard to project four years from now,” said Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the nation’s first primary state.

“It is very difficult to know what we’re going to be inheriting,” added Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

“I cannot make that commitment,” said former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina.

Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson provided the assurances the others would not.

“I’ll get the job done,” said Dodd, while Richardson said he would make sure the troops were home by the end of his first year in office.

The opening question of the two-hour debate plunged the eight contenders into the issue that has dominated all others in the race for the White House.

With the primary season approaching, all eight have vied with increasing intensity for the support of anti-war voters likely to provide money and organizing muscle as the campaign progresses.

Edwards said his position on Iraq was different from Obama and Clinton, adding he would “immediately drawn down 40,000 to 50,000 troops.” That’s roughly half the 100,000 that Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, has indicated could be stationed there when President Bush‘s term ends in January 2009.

Edwards sought to draw a distinction between his position and that of Clinton, saying she had said recently she wants to continue combat missions in Iraq.

“I do not want to continue combat missions in Iraq,” he said.

Clinton responded quickly, saying Edwards had misstated her position. She favors the continued deployment of counterterrorism troops, not forces to engage in the type of combat now under way.

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1. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

no pennies, no votes … nothing but ill wishes coming from me toward those hacks.

Boy, is the media pushing Hillary as a fait accompli … the fucking election is MORE THAN A YEAR AWAY.

Hucklebee or Romney is gonna kick her ass.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Lay down with dogs …

Now, see, this is going to get me in trouble with some black folks, especially the ones who support the likes of Reverend Al and Jessie. But I am sorry, my dear Mama used to tell me that you can know someone by the company they keep. And quite frankly, if the good Reverend is dining with an ignorant racist self delusional buffoon up in Sylvia’s, well, Harlem, we have a problem.

Why for the life of me people like Juan Williams and other blacks even give this guy the time of day I will never know. Are they that caught up in their own self promotion that they fail to see that this guy is using them? Goodness Al, haven’t you been in front of enough cameras, and in enough homes? Do you really need O-lie-ly that bad?

And yet, this is Rev. Al’s dinner buddy. See, this is why I couldn’t do certain things, because I couldn’t sit through an entire dinner with an ignorant racist knowing that he exploits my people for ratings, and poisons the minds of millions of A-merry-cans by distorting the images of black folks and other minorities.

So Reverend, you hung with the guy who can get you the most shine, and who you can run to when you want to sell your latest book. I hope you have a flea collar, and I hope you ordered the chicken, I bet he did.

‘Bout sums it up, though seeing as in how Al loves to cozy up w/ fucked up winger hatchet men, no one should be surprised.

3. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2007

That really is one ugly suit. Send money now to buy Hillary a new suit!

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007
5. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

no kidding catnip … we had some curtains that looked like that back in the ’70s.

6. marisacat - 26 September 2007

yes a harsh suit… a deep red for end of summer. Hard to look at.

There was one debate where she had stunning make up. It must have been done by someone who works with television lights, studio make up all the time. The make up grabbed the light.

She needs that person back.

7. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2007

Kucinich: “Or you can have a president who’s tall“? Is that what he said? lol

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007
9. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

The way Hillary laughed at Mike Gravel made me think she had been practicing that laugh for awhile. It was very “staged”.

Richardson’s against the occupation now. Good for him. But he has no more chance of being president than Kucinich does and Kucinich has been anti-war and anti-occupation for 5 years now.

Obama and Edwards are just weak.

But Hillary is so bad I’m almost happy Obama didn’t show up for the Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran amendment (both my “liberal” Senators voted yes while Luger voted “no”) vote. I might have been tempted to grasp at some, any straw.

But he made it easy. The corruption is complete. Obama’s just a junior partner who wants a piece of it.

10. supervixen - 26 September 2007

Clinton responded quickly, saying Edwards had misstated her position. She favors the continued deployment of counterterrorism troops, not forces to engage in the type of combat now under way.

Fucking LAWYERS. It’s all word games.

11. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

O’Reilly’s a racist goon but I also noticed that Tucker Carlson was taking the “contrarian” position on Jena (that those 6 kids should do hard time after all). He’s worse than O’Reilly in some ways since he’s not insane, just a dick.

Oh how I wish someone had had the balls to say “well Tucker when you and your friend went into that bathroom and bashed that gay guy’s head who made a pass at you into the sink do you think you should have done life in prison”?

O’Reilly’s little racist spew also makes it easier for liberals to ignore the Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran amendment and all the Democrats who voted for it.

12. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2007

Newsflash: John Edwards’ father worked in a mill.

And now, the sports…

13. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Don’t get me wrong. I’d love to see O’Reilly with plenty of downtime at home to entertain Mike Stark when he visits.

14. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2007

Favourite Bible verse, Timmeh? GMAFB.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Why the U.S. government hates Cuba: Pérez Roque slams Bush

Left I highlights this:

This was supposed to be the end of my statement as Chair of the Non-Aligned Movement. However, the shameless and gross behavior of the US President in this hall, yesterday morning, now forces me to utter a few remarks on Cuba’s behalf.

With a foul language and an arrogant tone, President Bush insulted and threatened some ten countries; he gave orders, in a firm and authoritarian fashion, to the General Assembly; and with such bossiness never ever seen in this hall, he dished out terms and judgments on a score of countries.

It was an embarrassing show. The delirium tremens of the world’s policeman. The intoxication of imperial power, sprinkled with the mediocrity and the cynicism of those who threaten to launch wars in which they know their life is not at stake.

The President of the United States has no right at all to pass judgment on any other sovereign nation on this planet. Having powerful nuclear weapons offers no right whatsoever to tread upon the rights of the peoples of the other 191 countries that are represented here.

And the determination and courage of the peoples should not be underestimated when it comes to defending their rights! After all, what prevails is not the power of cannons but the fairness of the ideas that you fight for. The bullish and menacing President should have already learned it by now.

Sovereign equality of States and not “regime change.” Respect for sovereignty and not unilateral certifications of good behavior. Respect for International Law and not illegal blockades and wars.

President Bush talked about democracy, but we all know that he is lying. He came into office through fraud and deceit. We would have been spared his presence yesterday and would have listened to President Al Gore talking about climate change and the risks to our species. We also recall how he brazenly supported the coup d’etat against the President and the Constitution of Venezuela.

He talked about peace, but we know that he is lying. We remember very well when he threatened 60 or more countries, which he called “dark corners of the world,” saying that he would wipe them off the face of the earth with pre-emptive and surprise attacks. Bush is a strange warrior who, from the rearguard, sends the young people of his country to kill and to die thousands of kilometers away.

He talked about human rights, but we know that he is lying. He is responsible for the death of 600,000 civilians in Iraq; he authorized tortures at the Guantánamo Naval Base and at Abu Ghraib, and he is an accessory to the kidnapping and disappearance of people, as well as to the secret flights and the clandestine prisons.

He talked about the fight against terrorism, but we know that he is lying. He has ensured complete impunity for the most hateful terrorist groups which, from Miami, have perpetrated heinous crimes against the Cuban people.

President Bush attacked the new Human Rights Council. He is bleeding through the wound; he is grunting his helplessness. He is haunted by the shamefulness that, during his term in office, the United States cannot even look forward to being a member because elections are through secret ballot. Cuba, in turn, was elected as a founding member of the Council with more than two-thirds of the votes.

He talked about cooperation, development and prosperity for the rest of the world, but we all know that he is lying. He has been the most selfish and reckless politician we have ever seen. In a world that this year will bear witness to the death of 10 million children under the age of 5 through preventable diseases, his self-seeking and empty proposals of yesterday are but a sick joke.

President Bush has no moral authority or credibility to judge anyone. He should be held accountable to the world for his crimes.

There is an embedded vid of the whole speech at the link above.

16. supervixen - 26 September 2007

Now this is the kind of thing that pisses me off:

Big Yahoo headline: US Video shows hacker hit on power grid

Read further:

The video, produced for the Homeland Security Department and obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday, was marked “Official Use Only.” It shows commands quietly triggered by simulated hackers having such a violent reaction that the enormous turbine shudders as pieces fly apart and it belches black-and-white smoke.

The video was produced for top U.S. policy makers by the Idaho National Laboratory, which has studied the little-understood risks to the specialized electronic equipment that operates power, water and chemical plants. Vice President Dick Cheney is among those who have watched the video, said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity because this official was not authorized to publicly discuss such high-level briefings.

“They’ve taken a theoretical attack and they’ve shown in a very demonstrable way the impact you can have using cyber means and cyber techniques against this type of infrastructure,” said Amit Yoran, former U.S. cybersecurity chief for the Bush administration. Yoran is chief executive for NetWitness Corp., which sells sophisticated network monitoring software.

“It’s so graphic,” Yoran said. “Talking about bits and bytes doesn’t have the same impact as seeing something catch fire.”

The electrical attack never actually happened. The recorded demonstration, called the “Aurora Generator Test,” was conducted in March by government researchers investigating a dangerous vulnerability in computers at U.S. utility companies known as supervisory control and data acquisition systems. The programming flaw was quietly fixed, and equipment-makers urged utilities to take protective measures.

There was no evidence any U.S. utility company suffered damage from hackers or terrorists using this technique, U.S. officials said. But these officials cautioned that affected systems are not routinely monitored as closely as many modern corporate computer networks, so there would be little forensic evidence to study after such a break-in.

Industry experts cautioned that intruders would need specialized knowledge to carry out such attacks, including the ability to turn off warning systems.

“The video is not a realistic representation of how the power system would operate,” said Stan Johnson, a manager at the North American Electric Reliability Corp., the Princeton, N.J.-based organization charged with overseeing the power grid.

So – it’s all agitprop.

Bunch of lying shits.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Why doesn’t he ask them about a more important document, like maybe “What’s your favorite section of the US Constitution?”

18. marisacat - 26 September 2007

The Baltimore Chronicle has the Dave Lindorff article on the Lieberman-Kyl amendment.

at least…

19. mattes - 26 September 2007

Dodd, Liebermen’s buddy?

Bait and switch?

20. Revisionist - 26 September 2007

Only hillary could make the golden rule sound like an evil threat to get back at everyone

21. marisacat - 26 September 2007

here is a link to Marie’s piece on the L/K mess… at TLC

22. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Speaking of photos, Beyerstein seems to have hit the motherload of caged celebrities and has managed to bring out Al Gore at his puffiest.

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2007/09/al-gore-at-the-.html

That weight after 2000 never came off.

You know those old photos showing how badly Lincoln aged during the presidency?

Gore got all the stress and aging but none of the power.

I feel old looking at him.

23. Revisionist - 26 September 2007

im gonna go to the left-o-sphere now and see how great hillary did

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

found a link to this blog by Mclatchy’s bureau chief in baghdad.

This is TO GO OR NOT TO GO

“I need to talk to this family for my story,” I mention. Easy. Go to the family, talk to them, come back and write a story.

No it’s to dangerous, I’m usually told. Every time I leave the bureau as a foreign reporter we map out the route. What neighborhood can we drive through, where can I get out of the car and interview people in my Lebanese accent or whispered English in my translator’s ear? There aren’t that many places left for me. Everyone knows when a stranger enters the neighborhood. With my dark complexion from my Lebanese roots, I blend better, but now Iraqis don’t blend in the parts of the capital they don’t belong. Most stick to their neighborhoods and work places, never dallying or wandering through the capital.

A few days ago we decided to drive through Al Nisoor square, near the shopping district of Mansour in Baghdad. Seemed harmless enough, our security advisor raised his eyebrows but gave in to my pleas. I put a scarf over my hair and we headed out in two cars, one to block anyone who might chase us home. I sat with my translator and driver and looked at the place where Blackwater, the private security company that protects U.S. diplomats, is accused of killing 11 civilians. Among those civilians was a family of three: a baby, a mother and a father. The woman was a doctor I found out, a rare commodity in a place where most professionals have fled.

We drove through the square, which actually is a traffic circle. I saw where the convoy would have been driving up the road before turning to go against traffic. The circle was in front of them and we drove around the traffic circle where the cars would’ve been stopped to let them pass. The same spot where that white car came under fire, burst into flames and a baby died before he lived. The white car they were in is pushed to the side of the road, a burned shadow of itself. Eight people died instantly, the Ministry of Interior spokesman said, three more died in the hospital.

“Can I get down to talk to a few people,” I asked.

“No not now,” my Iraqi colleague, Mohammed, said. “Something weird is going on.”

So I settled for driving through the circle once more to get the description I needed for a future story. Suddently commandos were motioning to each other and running through the roads. I was absorbed in multi-tasking a phone call from my boss and looking out the window at the now infamous intersection.

“Go faster,” I heard Mohammed tell the driver. “Let’s go.”

He spotted the men moving quickly and he rushed us away. Twelve minutes later the commandos found a car bomb. It never detonated.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

good piece Marie.

26. moiv - 26 September 2007

I just read the Pérez-Roque speech, and I think I might be a communist.

Don’t tell Rick Perry.

27. Marie - 26 September 2007

Hillary’s suit is fine; it’s just a bad color for her. Earlier today Huff-Po had a picture of Hill, John and Barack up and she looked twenty years younger and radiant.

Understand that her laugh tonight is giving some people shivers.

Everybody says that DK can’t be POTUS because he’s short. Is he shorter than Hill?

MitM – #16 probably the one that makes the president CIC.

28. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

I wanted to be a Communist for awhile but all they do is try to sell you newspapers and hit you up for money so they can fund their newspapers.

29. supervixen - 26 September 2007

This is disturbing:

One juror said that the holdouts argued over whether Clarkson was suicidal and that the entire jury would have liked to see a psychological profile of the actress.

This is a new twist – it’s OK to shoot someone if they feel suicidal.

What about Dr. Kevorkian, putting dying people out of their misery by their own request? Painlessly, without shooting them in the mouth?

He went to jail.

30. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Everybody says that DK can’t be POTUS because he’s short. Is he shorter than Hill

Bush was half a foot shorter than Kerry and guess who won that one.

31. supervixen - 26 September 2007

#22, Hair – actually that’s a very good pic of Gore. The harsh lighting and the angle make him look more chiseled than usual.

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Hey moiv, you’re closer to the expanding Bolivarian Revolution down south of the border … maybe you’ll get lucky and it will sweep right across the border someday.

I know I have my fingers crossed. Seeing President Evo Morales the last day or two has really given me some hope that this idea could spread.

Catching up on Tweety’s rundown on the “debate” … Clinton pushing the Syrians/Iranians ARE SCARY talking points.

33. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

#22, Hair – actually that’s a very good pic of Gore. The harsh lighting and the angle make him look more chiseled than usual.

Which is why it’s disturbing in a way. At his best, Gore looks 30 years older than he did 10 years ago.

Robert Zoellik has some weird evil eyebrows.

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2007/09/presidents-of-w.html

He looks 19th Century.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Oh, and Timmeh is pushing the idea that Social Security and Medicare are “not sustainable” on MSNBC. Gotta turn this shit off.

Anyway, this is better, found this link thru Mike the Mad Biologist:

Family Impact Summit: A Lesbian Shows Peter Sprigg How To Debate

It was last Saturday afternoon, and I had already endured nearly two full days of the Family Impact Summit in Tampa. You can imagine what kind of a mood I was in by then. And as I sat down to enjoy another dose of verbal gay-bashing at a town hall meeting called “Defending Marriage: What’s At Stake?” I overheard two people behind me talking about a small protest by gay activists that was taking place outside.

“Do you think any of them will try to come in here?” the older one asked.

“Nah. They won’t bother because they know they won’t be able to find anyone to have sex with afterwards,” sneered the other.

“Hah! So true!”

Nice crowd. These were the kind of people whose company I enjoyed for most of the weekend.

He continues:

After the panelists had their say (after about an hour of this, I might add), the “town hall meeting” was finally opened up to questions from the floor. And the second questioner, a brave young woman wearing a red tee-shirt, was a stunner:

Hi. My names is Cathy James and I would like to challenge all of the individuals here listening today to really take a look at some of the rationale and some of the comments that speakers have given in regard to things such as …why government gets involved with personal relationships, that is, for the procreation of children. I think as most of the attorneys will tell you, that civil marriage was created for one purpose only, and that was property and how to divide property.

And so I am a lesbian, I live in the Riverview area with my partner of thirteen years and our son who is seven. And I go to work Monday through Friday and attend church weekly, I volunteer at the school, I volunteer at the homeowners association. And what I have a hard time understanding is why you are interested in keeping a legal framework from us in being able to handle the same things as heterosexual couples and such things as visitation, and hospital…. And how to divide our property in the same way, and how to parent our child?

The stunned silence was amazing. John Stemberger thanked her for coming and tried to stammer out an answer. He said that some forms of discrimination are perfectly legitimate (“home ownership benefits society in the way renters do not.”) and ended by saying, “marriage uniquely benefits society in the way same sex couples do not.” But Cathy remained calm and firm:

But in what way? What’s the difference in the benefit? How does your marriage benefit society more than my relationship with my same gender partner does not?

Peter Sprigg jumped in to assert that “without question” the best family structure was headed by a man and a woman. But Cathy persisted:

…But now you’re devaluing, what, over fifty percent of the children who live with one parent or that one parent as died or that they’re divorced and now they’re just living with one parent. You’re devaluing them and that’s not fair.

By now the panel was speechless, leaving Peter Sprigg to stumble around trying to get his footing. “Each person’s relationship choices serves as an example to the rest of society… and if that example becomes more widespread, more people will make the same choice, more children will suffer.”

So you’re saying a man and a woman in a marriage are valued higher than single people? They’re valued higher than…

Oh, BRAVO!

35. supervixen - 26 September 2007

Hair: He looks 19th Century.

Yeah, they are both Robber Barons. And not the fun ones, either.

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

oops, missed bolding one paragraph of her speaking, the “And so I am a lesbian, I live in the Riverview area …” one.

Sorry. Hope it still makes sense.

37. Miss Devore - 26 September 2007

I gave up on them, even though I considered myself less cynical than MCat and MitM (by a fraction):

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=510

38. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Yeah, they are both Robber Barons. And not the fun ones, either.

Karzai actually looks sort of cool.

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2007/09/karzai-with-afg.html

She messed up the white balance on Brad Pitt.

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2007/09/brad-pitt-1.html

He’s looking a little green.

39. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

That suit Pitt’s wearing probably cost as much as my car.

40. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

The people we’ll soon be dropping bombs on.

http://www.pbase.com/srogouski/image/85336649

41. marisacat - 26 September 2007

the eye chart in Miss D’s diary at Peeder’s sums it up, perfectly.

Can they even see an eye chart, in their hopeless and crippled condition.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

I prefer “realist” to “cynic” Miss D, but welcome to the dark side.

Of course, watching Tweety and Timmeh has moved me even more over the edge. When I finally turned it off, they were excitedly discussing Timmeh’s Bible question, and Tweety was waxing lyrical over the nuns when he was a kid.

This country is fucking screwed.

43. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

When I finally turned it off, they were excitedly discussing Timmeh’s Bible question

The problem with Iran is that their government is too religious.

The problem with our secular Democratic Party is that it’s not religious enough so you throw out some Bible question hoping to trip them up the way you tripped up Dean in 2004.

44. moiv - 26 September 2007

“Hey moiv, you’re closer to the expanding Bolivarian Revolution down south of the border … maybe you’ll get lucky and it will sweep right across the border someday.”

Right now it’s sweeping back the other way. The Mexican Consulate has advised all Mexican nationals to stay out of Irving, Texas. The Irving PD not only is turning over all undocumented arrestees to ICE for deportation, but is actively conducting sweeps of apartment complexes, parks and shopping malls.

More than 300 undocumented immigrants are being deported every month from the city of Irving because of its increased scrutiny of the immigration status of people arrested here, according to the city’s mayor.

The Mexican consul general has expressed concern after members of his staff found that half of all the Mexicans they interviewed in an immigration jail last Saturday were arrested in Irving, a suburb of Dallas. He said he suspects racial profiling.

But Irving officials said that last Saturday’s arrests were part of an effort to target apartment complexes with high crime rates, not undocumented immigrants. The deportations came from the jail staff’s efforts to identify people who should be referred to federal immigration officials.

Residents at the Willows Apartments, where arrests have been made, said people were grilling food, sitting outside and talking in the apartments’ common area when police approached from different directions about 8 p.m. A few residents were drinking alcohol, they said.

Jose, 31, from Mexico, said he dashed across the street. Jose Carlos, 26, from El Salvador, said he ran into his apartment and slammed the door shut, as many other people did, and refused to open it despite banging by police.

“If we opened the door, they would have taken us away,” he said.

Patricia, 39, of Mexico said police asked for immigration papers. She said they arrested enough people to fill two police vans.”

45. marisacat - 26 September 2007

and Timmeh glories in his father being “blue collar” ( nothing wrong with it, but it is a schtick- and is mum on mum, pretty much, just the drudge of the catholic household I guess) but in his book he pretends, thru omission, that his father was a pilot in WWDue.

“his plane went down”… he was traveling as a passenger to R & R…

then proceeds to take Real Life adult political advice from Dad. Stuff that when recounted is basically, listen to the priest. Cut the president slack, he is in charge of us and God will guide him and us.

Not exagerating.

We are fuckedly fucked.

46. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Obama’s speaking in Washington Square Park tomorrow for anyone in NYC.

I wonder how many people are going to show. It’s right in the middle of NYU and it’s at 5 so about 20,000 students will be walking around so I’m assuming he’ll draw a crowd.

Maybe some clever provocateurs will get an “I Abstain” banner up behind him but, then again, considering that he probably gets a lot of threats, security’s probably going to be tight.

I’m guessing they’re sweeping the homeless and the pot dealers out of the park as we speak.

47. supervixen - 26 September 2007

Hair: Karzai used to have a good hat.

Yeah, that has to be one of the all-time worst photos of Brad Pitt.

Maybe she can win a Koufax Award for that.

48. Revisionist - 26 September 2007
49. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

why is it that so much of the actual rational stuff I read these days is written by Libertarians like Paul Craig Roberts (not the fake “libertarian” Donklephants at Little Orange Footballs):

A Pandemic of Police Brutality

Bush’s “war on terror” quickly became Bush’s war on Iraqi civilians. So far over one million Iraqi civilians have lost their lives because of Bush’s invasion, and four million have been displaced. Iraq’s infrastructure is in ruins. Disease is rampart. Normal life has disappeared.

Self-righteous Americans justify these monstrous crimes as necessary to ensure their own safety from terrorist attack. Yet, Americans are in far greater danger from their own police forces than they are from foreign terrorists. Ironically, Bush’s “war on terror” has made Americans less safe at home by diminishing US civil liberty and turning an epidemic of US police brutality into a pandemic.

The only terrorist most Americans will ever encounter is a policeman with a badge, nightstick, mace and Taser. A Google search for “police brutality videos” turns up 2,210,000 entries. Some entries are foreign and some are probably duplications, but the number is so large that a person could do nothing but watch police brutality videos for the rest of his life. A search on “You Tube” alone turned up 2,280 police brutality videos. PrisonPlanet has a selection of the most outrageous recent cases.

Police brutality has crossed the line from using excessive force against a resisting Rodney King to unprovoked gratuitous violence against persons offering no resistance, such as the elderly, women, students, and elected officials. Americans are not safe anywhere from police. Police attack Americans in university libraries, in public meetings, and in their own homes.

Last week we had the case of the University of Florida student who was repeatedly Tasered without cause for asking Senator Kerry some good questions in the question and answer period following Kerry’s speech. Two days after the Florida student was gratuitously brutalized, Senate Republicans defeated Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy’s bill to restore habeas corpus protection.

A UCLA student was Tasered by police without cause for studying in the university library without having having his student ID on his person. Following police orders to leave, the student was walking toward the door when police grabbed him and repeatedly Tasered him.

On September 19, 2007 a young woman was repeatedly Tasered without cause by a large brutal cop in a parking lot outside a night club in Warren Ohio.

On September 14, 2007, Roseland, Indiana, city council member David Snyder was ejected from a council meeting by dictatorial council chairman Charlie Shields. Snyder had protested being limited to one minute to speak. Police goon Jack Tiller escorted Snyder out, and as Synder exited the building, Tiller, following behind, pushed Snyder to the ground and without cause began beating Snyder in the head with a nightstick. Snyder was hospitalized.

Local TV news stations throughout the US offer an endless stream of police brutality videos, which are then posted on the stations’ web sites, often with an opportunity for citizens to express their opinion of the incidents.

There are many disturbing aspects to police brutality cases.

One disturbing aspect is that the police always arrest the people that they have gratuitously brutalized. There was no justification whatsoever to arrest councilman Snyder, or the UCLA student, or the University of Florida student. The cops committed assault against innocent citizens. The cops should have been arrested for their criminal acts. Instead, the cops cover up their own crimes by arresting their victims on false charges that are invented to justify the unprovoked police violence against citizens.

Another disturbing aspect is that no one tells the police to stop the brutality. “Free” Americans are so intimidated by police that on February 19 of this year male customers in a Chicago bar stood aside while a drunk cop weighing 251 pounds beat a 115 pound barmaid, knocking her to the floor with his fists and repeatedly kicking her, for enforcing the bar rules and not serving him more drinks.

Yet another disturbing aspect is that a minority of citizens will justify each act of police brutality no matter how brutal and how unprovoked. For example, WNDU.com’s poll of its viewers found that 64.2% agreed that Snyder was a victim of police brutality, but 27.8% thought that Snyder got what was coming to him. “Law and order conservatives” and other authoritarian personalities invariably defend acts of police brutality. Perhaps the police brutality pandemic will bring the day when we will be able to say that a civil libertarian is a law and order conservative who has been brutalized by police.

The most disturbing aspect is that the police usually get away with it.

50. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Yeah, that has to be one of the all-time worst photos of Brad Pitt.

I saw her at the Clarkson/Michelle Goldberg thing. She took like 90,000 photos of Clarkson to make sure he had the right expression on his face.

But it’s only Frederick Clarskson.

http://www.pbase.com/srogouski/image/80154850

Not exactly the kind of guy who has to get by on his looks. He’s a pretty nice guy in person. I was a bit shocked when he joined the “Lynch Cindy Sheehan” gang at the Daily Kos.

The less said about Michelle Goldberg the better. I wonder if she’s going to write an update of her classic 2002 “anti-war protesters are all kooks who worship North Korea” articles in the runup to war with Iran.

51. marisacat - 26 September 2007

just found moiv in spam (sorry!) she is slightly upthread replying to Madman…

52. moiv - 26 September 2007

Madman @ 34

Peter Sprigg doesn’t confine his malign influence to the lives of American children unfortunate enough not to have been born to Ozzie and Harriet. He’s screwing with the lives of Russian kids, too.

When James Dobson finishes translating youth materials into Russian, he and the rest of God’s favorite children devote some time to making sure that their “pro-family” gospel is dispersed round the world via their participation in the World Congress of Families.

:::

Following the second WCF event in Geneva in 1999, “pro-family” organizations were set up in a dozen countries, including Russia. Among over 3,300 delegates to the 2004 World Family Congress was Dr. Anatoli Antonov of Moscow Lomonsov State University, Russia’s most prestigious university and research institution. Antonov edited a recently published Russian edition of Society, Family & Person, whose author — Allan Carlson, founder and president of WCF sponsor The Howard Center — he praised as a “a brilliant modern representative” of the “alternative school of American sociology.”

Speakers and delegates to the WCF made their own modern sociological guidelines for national and international family policy abundantly clear, as summarized by Peter Sprigg, senior director of policy studies at the Family Research Council and an FRC representative at WCF.

“We are against anything that threatens the traditional family or undermines that ideal. We are against parents snuffing out the lives of their own unborn children through abortion. We are against drug and alcohol abuse, domestic violence and child abuse. We are against illegitimacy, abandonment and divorce. We are against any sexual behavior that would undermine the uniqueness of the faithful, lifelong marriage bond between a husband and wife. We are against premarital sex, pornography, adultery and prostitution. And yes, we are also against the practice of homosexuality.”

53. supervixen - 26 September 2007

MCat:

“his plane went down”… he was traveling as a passenger to R & R…

Well if he were Glenn Miller or Leslie Howard, doing some other duty, I’d cut him some slack.

But he wasn’t.

54. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

When James Dobson finishes translating youth materials into Russian, he and the rest of God’s favorite children devote some time to making sure that their “pro-family” gospel is dispersed round the world via their participation in the World Congress of Families.

After we finish killing a few tens of thousands of Iranians to liberate The Ghey in Iran, can we attack Colorado Springs?

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Moiv … that’s horrible news Irving. What a disgusting nation this is.

56. supervixen - 26 September 2007

#50, Hair: Frederick Clarkson may be a nice guy in person but he is PART OF THE PROBLEM. Make no mistake about that.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

I like Clarkson’s work on the theofascists, but he likes to lecture leftists about being “civil” and such …

58. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2007

no kidding catnip … we had some curtains that looked like that back in the ’70s.

Maybe she’s trying to channel Scarlett.

59. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

I like Clarkson’s work on the theofascists, but he likes to lecture leftists about being “civil” and such

I went to that lecture with a friend who write about the religious right (a bit futher to the left than Clarkson is) and at one point Clarkson looks right at her and points his finger in her direction and says:

“And any of you who go on about Christofacists and use that kind of language are part of the problem because you’re going to alienate our friends”.

Very passive agressive. But talk to him face to face and he’s interesting enough. The stuff on the “Institute for Religion and Democracy” that he goes into is useful enough to live through the civility lectures.

This is just Horowitz for Christians.

http://www.ird-renew.org/site/pp.asp?c=fvKVLfMVIsG&b=278604

Note all the Frontpage.com links.

60. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

We’ve seen this movie before.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_on_re_us/patriot_act_lawsuit

Courts overrule some authoritarian Bushite acts. Bush just proposes a new law. Democrats cave.

What will be the odds it *won’t* happen this time?

.00000000000000000001%

.000001%

61. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

We’ve seen this movie before.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_on_re_us/patriot_act_lawsuit

Courts overrule some authoritarian Bushite acts. Bush just proposes a new law. Democrats cave.

What will be the odds it *won’t* happen this time?

.00000000000000000001%

.000001%

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

well, being civil has a built in assumption that there is a rational debate happening, and I remember back during the Raygun Revolution days when they were really starting to take over, getting elected to school boards and city councils, and guys like him were pushing back then that calm reason would win the day …

… and look where that got us.

He’s wrong, and the so-called moderates aren’t my friends if they’re the kind of people who would rather defend zealots because they’re “religous” than actually defend what we REALLY need, which is a public sphere without superstition being injected into it.

He’s flat out wrong. The institutional “left” *** cough *** has been following his prescription for decades, and it hasn’t worked.

63. mattes - 26 September 2007
64. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Speaking of atheists, I went to one meeting of the NY Atheist Society and found that they were mostly Ayn Rand fans.

Bleh. Choke. Cough.

If I have to chose between an Ayn Rand lover and a religious Catholic who’s willing to fight for some kind of social justice, hand me my rosery beads and pass the body and blood of Christ.

One of my favorite quotes from Alexander Cockburn.

Between Hitchens and Mother Teresa, I’d chose Mother Teresa. If you were dying in the gutter, who’d be more likely to give you a bowl of soup.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

Hitchens & Teresa were are/were each running the flipside of the same con.

NYC is sadly full of Rand worshippers.

66. marisacat - 26 September 2007

mattes

wonder who T Middle is… all I had noticed is that it has a sense of ill will about it.

67. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

AHMADEINEJAD: What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion to occupy another country and kill its people?

All of them?

Isn’t that exactly what God commanded Moses to do? Kill the Cananites and take their land.

68. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Hitchens & Teresa were are/were each running the flipside of the same con.

I wasn’t brought up in a religious family. I don’t go to church. I’ve never been a believer of any sort.

But I don’t have any hostilty against religion itself. It’s the mixing of politics and religion that bothers me.

The stuff about Dean in 2004 was amazing. At one point it all became about how Dean wasn’t religious enough. Ridiculous.

Dean’s kind of a waste now, but who’d argue with “capturing Saddam hasn’t made us any safer” now?

They knew he was right so they changed the subject.

69. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Translation of Atrios.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_09_23_archive.html#5501483439661481822

“The Democrats were awful and I don’t have the balls to talk about it.”

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2007

religion is politics.

I have no problem w/ spirituality and personal faith. Introduce dogma and structure into it, and you’ve got engines of political control, with built-in safeguards to prevent people from getting out of line.

It’s a big, scary, hard-to-understand universe, and I get that people need something to take the frightening edges off of it, but religions are bad for puppies, small children and people in general.

71. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

religion is politics

Unfortunately true. It’s also unfortunately true that a lot of people in the world are religious and there’s nothing *I* can do about it.

I’d like to offer myself up as a Shaman for rationalism who’s going to liberate them from Jesus/Allah/Moses but what am I going to offer some poor slob in the third world who’s going to die when he’s 35 and who’s going to watch his children die at 4 or 5 of diarrehea (if the USA doesn’t bomb them first of course).

Isn’t it rational in these circumstances to be religious?

Who am I to take Allah away from some dying Iraqi who’s family’s been poisoned by depleted uranium or Jesus away from some poor Mexican immigrant?

It’s arrogance of the worst possible sort that someone like Hitchens promotes.

72. mattes - 26 September 2007

Marisacat….he gives me the creeps…like Dahmer.

Stalker, the reason thing. He might not be new, but his true nature is coming out under the cover of anonymity.

73. marisacat - 26 September 2007

Isn’t it rational in these circumstances to be religious?

TOTALLY disinterested in taking religion, spirituality, succor, away as a comfort for the lost, the dying and the abandoned.

It is the hierarchy and the imposition of evil thru religion.

I used to be rather live and let live. No more.

It’s just one more power grid, as greedy as all the others.

74. moiv - 26 September 2007

While we might disagree on various points, I have a great deal of respect and appreciation for Fred Clarkson. Unlike the owners of some sites, he has never once used his position to exert editorial influence, let alone to censor any words or images that I saw fit to put up on his front page. And from time to time, I have posted some controversial stuff.

Over the course of almost two years, in the face of strongly negative reactions to some of what I have written — and even, in one memorable instance, at some risk to his own best interest — he has never been less than supportive and encouraging.

How ironic that one of the most uncompromisingly pro-choice salons on the Web — among so many stuffed to the rafters with self-proclaimed “progressives” — should be a room full of preachers. But so I have found it to be.

75. mattes - 26 September 2007

Ops….”real thing”.

76. lucid - 26 September 2007

They would have got the guy who actually did it. There would have been catharsis a few months after 9/11 and there would have been no invasion of Iraq.

HC – did you miss the days of candle light vigils attended by thousands each night at Union Square calling for peace – for no military response? These began as soon as lower Manhattan was opened up again. And they continued until & after the invasion of Afghanistan.

You were closer than I. I was on Broadway and Houston for the collapse. But the overwhelming sense I got in the days after was non-violence – from everyone. Maybe we run in different circles. But even when the Iron Workers union guys doing cleanup stumbled into LES bars on their way up in the days afterwards – guys, who despite blue collar economic unionism are ,generally speaking, pro-militarism – they didn’t want military retaliation. Nor did most of the Fireman – the Cops are another story. They just wanted to sort out the mess, mourn the dead and move on.

It was the rest of the country, in my estimation, that was hot for blood – lead by the shrill charge of those like Hillary Clinton.

In September 2001, I made the decision that I would never vote for either Hillary or Chuck again due to their war mongering. And I haven’t. And I won’t.

77. bayprairie - 26 September 2007

mattes said

Looks like I picked up a virus:

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/userDiary/comments.do?personId=387

yes, i noticed that one too, a real piece of work. on a quick read he appears to have singled you out almost exlusively.

not qualified to advise, but i’d just note that the fact he’s harrassing you means someone, somewhere, sees your truths as threatening in some manner enough to go to the trouble of following you around.

so feel good about that. and then call him an asshole and don’t waste any more of your time trying to reason with him, he’s an agenda, nothing more.

there’s another one over there too who i find offensive, the psuedo_whomever. don’t you think both of them have the cutest little adjective collection?

one of these days “clever” will trip them up on a site search. they’ll not be able to resist recycling a “brillant” , yet unique phrase. and it’ll be the same one they used at some another site.

78. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

TOTALLY disinterested in taking religion, spirituality, succor, away as a comfort for the lost, the dying and the abandoned.

At some point the question comes up:

How much is that religion that comforts the poor responsible for their poverty in the first place?

79. lucid - 26 September 2007

btw – contemplating the Hillary picture, can anyone explain to me why people wear different colors during different times of the year? I’ve never understood ‘fashion’. I wear what’s comfortable. I think a lot of American’s do that. I never understood why my Mom had to have different clothes for different seasons. At any given time, I own about 6 pairs of jeans, 14 pairs of underwear, as many socks as my cats haven’t shreaded, whatever short sleaved shirts I’ve collected [or needed to buy depeneding on whether or not I'm out of black shirts] and maybe 10 button down shirts of different varieties. I have a couple of suits in moth balls and some non-jean pants haing around for when I need them, but generally speaking, I spend less than $200 on clothes every year.

What’s the big fucking deal.

80. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

HC – did you miss the days of candle light vigils attended by thousands each night at Union Square calling for peace – for no military response?

I was oblvious and apolitical. I just wanted to know that someone was in charge and someone was going to stop New York from getting nuked. I was part of the problem.

81. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Maybe we run in different circles. But even when the Iron Workers union guys doing cleanup stumbled into LES bars on their way up in the days afterwards – guys, who despite blue collar economic unionism are ,generally speaking, pro-militarism – they didn’t want military retaliation. Nor did most of the Fireman – the Cops are another story. They just wanted to sort out the mess, mourn the dead and move on.

The NYC tabloids seem even worse now than they did in 2001/2002.

The anti-Iran hate fest has been genuinely chilling. I don’t know what it’s like in the rest of the country or how much people are following what’s going on here but NYC’s basically been under a full out attack of pro-war propaganda.

If in 2002 I felt that I was manipulated. Now I just feel flat out assaulted.

82. mattes - 26 September 2007

bayprairie

What a gem:

Heh (0.00 / 0)

Yeah, it’s a big conspiracy Mattes. Zionist agents want to silence you – snicker. As if.

Newsflash – no one but your tiny circle of online friends cares about what you have to say about Israel. And even them, not so much – I’m guessing they humor you because, frankly, both your logic and essays just plain suck.

In fact, your arguments are so poorly constructed, Israel should pay you – your babbling, incoherent rambles make Israel look pretty good by comparison. A PR person’s dream, that’s what you are. If I were AIPAC, I’d package your pieces up to send to Congressmen.
by T.Middle @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 21:53:15 PM PDT

83. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

It was the rest of the country, in my estimation, that was hot for blood – lead by the shrill charge of those like Hillary Clinton

It was also the press. I remember being right on Broad Street a block away from the Bowling Green subway and I was assaulted (OK Approached) by a member of the local TV press.

This was the week after 9/11.

So she sticks a micophone in my face and says “NOW THAT WE ARE AT WAR DO YOU THINK MILITARY RETALIATION IS INEVITABLE” and I just looked at the ground and mumbled and tried not to say anything.

Now I would have said “Fuck off” but back then I just wanted to be left alone. I think most people in New York were like that.

But I also remember people in the Bronx, black and latin working class people walking around with American flags, parading up and down the street shouting “USA USA USA”.

So it wasn’t all sweetness and light in New York.

84. Revisionist - 26 September 2007

If there is a dem president then we dont have to elect more dems because they wont need a veto proof majority anymore.

85. mattes - 26 September 2007

Excellent point.

86. marisacat - 26 September 2007

78 HC

oh religion is very responsible for the poverty. People at a distance don’t necessarily realise it, but SF is a big Catholic town… and they own a lot of property as well… 30 or more years ago, they built a nice big Dorothy Day Center on some of the property, in the Tenderloin district… an area with immigrants, minority, homeless, drug use and dealing, some very hard core porn blocks… and vice cops of course…

but as I laugh and say, they only help the poor thismuch. Just enough to keep them alive.

Most religion aligns with government, no news there… and that just leaves the few lay religious, monks, priests, nuns, etc., who truly work the streets.

87. lucid - 26 September 2007

Speaking of atheists, I went to one meeting of the NY Atheist Society and found that they were mostly Ayn Rand fans.

Maybe you should try a UU church – more atheists there than on Wall Street, that’s for damned sure.

I am a proud atheist. I also grew up in a very conservative Christian home. What that meant for me was social and economic justice. It wasn’t until early grad school that I had the philosophical frame to encompass that – it turned out to be a blend of Kantian rationalism, Marxist dialecticism & Pre-Socratic interpretations of ancient religious texts. [With a strong lean to Nietzsche's idea of aesthetic personhood].

‘The Objectivists’ fancy themselves some sort of rationalist cult, but are neither rational, nor a cult. They are selfish individuals tyring to hide their selfishness within an economic order that betrays the fundemental principle of rationalism – ‘every rational being should be treated as an end in and of themselves’.

I am a staunch universalist on this point. It is the moral ground of the idea of equality as it has been ushered from the early Greeks, through the Enlightenment, through Marxism, Feminism, Communist Egalitarianism… through every movement that has made a difference in the fucking world.

The last time I spoke to my father about religion, I was 22. I was driving the family down I-74 to visit my mother’s mother, and I said to him, humanity can never be free until it is rid of the idea of God. He understood me, and accepted that, but he has only become more religious since.

88. Marie - 26 September 2007

lucid – dress codes/rules didn’t start to melt away until the late sixties. “No white shoes after Labor Day” was one. The less formal ones that are still operative say that dark colors are for fall and winter and light colors are spring and summer. Not sure how you manage to wear the same thing twelve months a year because most of us prefer heavier, warmer for cool weather.

89. mattes - 26 September 2007

lucid…I was pretty grounded. Atheist. Then I started leaving my body. And the precognition started. There’s a mystery out there. And we are not alone.

I fell for the ayn rand shit, but thank god I out grew it. Studed comparative religions after my mother died. Turned to buddhism for meditation, peace of mind. etc etc.

Now, I am just trying to figure out what is next….

90. lucid - 26 September 2007

I just wanted to know that someone was in charge and someone was going to stop New York from getting nuked.

I dreamed nuke dreams every night for a couple of months. Did you live downtown out of curiousity – or just work? Again, no judgements, but living dontown, I fell to sleep each night with ‘that smell’, and woke up, and walked to my downtown job with ‘that smell’. I vaguely remember a bunch of insane phone calls to my buddy in LA, repeating over and over agan what it was like to live with ‘that smell’, and touching on my nuclear dreams. I was 10 when ‘The Day After’ came out – I know that is nothing compared to growing up in the 60’s, dealing with the Cuban missile crisis, but the paranoia instilled in me then was outstripped 100 fold in the months after. I’ve never been haunted so much.

And then I realized – it’s more likely that I’ll be killed by a poorly installed air conditioner falling out of window.

But the jumpers & the collapse & the aftermath – and my witnessing it in real time – still make me shudder to my core.

But all the same, I just wanted someone in charge who was competent – Giuliani, no. Chritie Todd [ who I watched from the media pit on Duane street], no.

The Downtown and the LES should have been evacuated. As should have South Brooklyn. And no worker should have been allowed near that pile without the equivalent of a Hasmat mask.

91. lucid - 26 September 2007

Not sure how you manage to wear the same thing twelve months a year because most of us prefer heavier, warmer for cool weather.

Layering is your friend… ;)

Actually, I would love to wear short skirts in the summer… alas that might cause a stir. Nothing better on a humid, oppresive day to have one’s undercarriage open to any breeze that might come by.

92. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

I dreamed nuke dreams every night for a couple of months. Did you live downtown out of curiousity – or just work?

Worked near the NY Stock Exchange. Lived in the North Bronx.

I was back at work that Friday. And yes, it was a mess and I was happy to get back home every night.

The anthrax really flipped a switch in my brain. The attacks on the WTC seemed like a one time thing, just a repeat of 1993. But when the anthrax started, it opened up your imagination to a whole new realm of possibilities.

What also freaked me out was navigating National Guard to get to work. The thought that next time they’ll be Blackwater isn’t comforting.

93. lucid - 26 September 2007

And the precognition started. There’s a mystery out there. And we are not alone.

For me too. That also doesn’t mean that there is a god. I’m a total magical realist – I believe people haunt the spaces in which they exist. I believe that consciousness has energy that it impacts the physical world in some way. I have no idea whether or not that energy is remotely confined as our consciousness when we die, but ultimately that is an unimportant question. We live in what we do.

94. marisacat - 26 September 2007

I think the anthrax was fully internal. To shut dissent at the top level and in media. If you looked at who got it, every single network for one. ONLY Hill Democrats. That FL tabloid… and iirc they supposedly had photos of something, I forget what by now, killed the reporter.

And they sent it thru a massive, federal service, the US Mail. A warning there too: see how far we will go.

95. lucid - 26 September 2007

What also freaked me out was navigating National Guard to get to work. The thought that next time they’ll be Blackwater isn’t comforting.

Try navigating the National Guard to get home… I lived below Houston… and like a silly, still tried to live a normal life in the days after – how else to deal… And if the blackwater guards had been manning the posts, I’d be in some undisclosed facility now.

The anthrax fucked me for a while too, as pretty much all work mail came to me – and there was a lot of it, and who nows if it had come through a post office affected by it… but I also knew that I never get bacterial infections. My body just doesn’t accept them. So despite any initial concern, I calmed back down.

96. mattes - 26 September 2007

Marisacat, my thoughts too. Without a doubt.

Can we post photos in comments?

A cat followed me home, well, maybe not followed. Skinny as skeleton. De-fleaed her, fed her, and after 3 weeks still scratches and haves scabs on her body. Anyone familiar with mites?
Revolution does it?

97. Revisionist - 26 September 2007

mcat – the story was that the paper had files on bush. i have heard it suggested that the intent was not to kill the snapper but to shut down the offices for the hazmat crews so evidence could be removed. one story was that they had proof of his and that mayors affair

98. Hair Club for Men - 26 September 2007

Try navigating the National Guard to get home… I lived below Houston… and like a silly, still tried to live a normal life in the days after – how else to deal

There were blocks were I had to show my ID three times in under 100 yards.

The anthrax fucked me for a while too, as pretty much all work mail came to me

It wasn’t just the anthrax. It was the fact that it opened up your imagination to the full spectrum of possible attacks AND attacks which were, in hindsight, not possible.

By December I was getting back to normal. When they let Bin Laden go, the lightbulb went off.

But even on the morning of 9/11 some things bothered me. I remember Tom Brockaw saying WE ARE AT WAR over and over again. And I remember saying “it’s a terrorist attack. How are we at war. We weren’t at war in 1993. We weren’t at war after Oklahoma City. Calm down asshole”.

I’ve hated Tom Brockaw passionately ever since, genuinely, sincerely loathed him.

By contrast, Peter Jennings seemed relatively sane. But Brockaw, Fuck, his mind was going back to Pearl Harbor already.

99. Revisionist - 26 September 2007

mattes – you should try some benedryl or something else in that family. it works with dogs if you dont have perscription for predisone. dont know the doage for cat… maybe a hydrocortisone spray of some kind

100. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

The Senate DID NOT Authorize Force Against Iran!

by: Turkana
Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 18:37:21 PM PDT

Before we all lose it over the Senate’s asinine Iran resolution, I thought we should all take deep breaths and calm down! The Senate did not authorize military action against Iran!

Knock, knock AIPAC calling.

101. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

And now, a little flashback to 2004:

An apparel merchandiser for President Bush’s re-election campaign sold fleece pullovers with a Bush-Cheney logo that were made in Myanmar, even though the United States has banned imports from that country, campaign and company officials said yesterday.

102. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

after 3 weeks still scratches and haves scabs on her body.

Could just be leftover battle scars. Happens to my boy cat sometimes. Just try combing gently and if there’s any redness, you can use polysporin. Might try a flea collar too.

103. marisacat - 27 September 2007

sory mattes, the thread does not take photos, other than a link…

when Baby walked in she had scabs and patches of fur gone… I flea bathed her, she was infested, the water and my old shirt ran red wiht the blood from them….. fed her etc.. then took her to the vet…

They said she had an extreme allergy to fleas, that a single flew could set it off. Tho she lived next door, the pets mostly lived outdoors and THEY had rescued her from a feed lot in Napa.

At that tme it was so bad that they agreed to an allergy shot for her.

and the plan then was to keep fleas off her.

104. mattes - 27 September 2007

Revisionist, I have all three meds, as I have lupus. But I am afraid it might be mites. I sure hope she does not give it to my other companions if it is…!

D. Throat…too funny.

105. BooHooHooMan - 27 September 2007

{with a nod to mcat}

Funny you guys talking religion.
I was a-preachin in the middle of a flesh-feast

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showComment.do?commentId=19194

106. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

Docudhrama has become more right wing than Kos… if that was possible…. all under the guise of the “Left wing” radicals. Yet, there are TWO AIPAC front pagers, a radical “leftist” Republican” ,sociopathic woman hating loon and an assortment of cave trolls.

So far they have:

* Blasted Move On
* Refused to mention Impeachment (which was their claim to fame)
* Insulted to common sense of Democratic voters that the Senate did not just authorize war on Iran

Docudhrama reminds me of that episode in “Weeds” where the PTA got rid of the bully Cecilia only to be replaced by the sweet smiling Nazi whose first order of business was to create a lynch mob against the gay teacher.

Why Kos needs to shore up his “left flank” is not yet clear…. but it does portend that DK has lost a hell of a lot of credibility and is actively looking for alternative avenues to get out their right wing propoganda.

Buhdy makes the most excellent “lefty” puppet.

107. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

Knock, knock AIPAC calling

Stick to Facts: Designating Iran Revolutionary Guard As Terrorists Does Not Authorize Force

by: Armando

Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 16:45:57 PM PDT

A misunderstanding is leading to a good argument, that the Lieberman-Kyl Amendment sucks, being argued with bad facts.

108. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

Knock, knock AIPAC calling

Short: what should really get you upset

by: andgarden
Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 16:21:57 PM PDT

Answer: not gutted Lieberman-Kyl. It said nothing of importance and authorized nothing at all.

Be upset about war funding and substantive legislation. That stuff matters.

109. mattes - 27 September 2007

I put Frontline on her. But then I heard Revolution takes care of mites. I am itching all over just thinking about them!!

The bumps are a little red and scaby. I am going to have to break down and take her in…..I can feel it. More vets bills!

I put aloe vera jell on them, and did not do a thing.

Why do I get stuck paying vet bills for all the neighborhood cats…eh….eh???

Thank-god there are some non-profits than helped me trap and get a bunch of them fixed. I am so tried of people dumping their animals, or not caring for them. Old story!

110. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

mattes,

I have lupus too. We should talk sometime.

111. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

Ya, the Lieberman-Kyl bill…no big deal…isn’t that what they said about the Iraq AUMF too? I mean, it’s not like Bush uses every possible scrap of power to do outlandish things like shocking and awing other countries, is it?

112. mattes - 27 September 2007

Sounds good. I remember you saying that.

…I hate it. Been diagnosed since 1993.

“but you don’t LOOK sick”

113. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

“but you don’t LOOK sick”

grrr…plus you write stuff online so you CAN’T be sick!

Anytime you like, drop me a line at llamg88 at hotmail.com and we can compare war stories.

114. mattes - 27 September 2007

liberalcatnip…was there a bill prior to the bill that allowed Bush to take us to Iraq?

A bill expounding on Saddum fueling terror, etc. can’t remember. I feel like they are taking us soooo slowly to war again, therefore, we just won’t notice.

115. marisacat - 27 September 2007

there ws a bill right after 9/11. He can wage war anywhere against terror.

Makes most things moot, frankly.

116. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

we do know (0.00 / 0)

what sticks in the heads of people who don’t bother to read the actual wording…

wow, that reality thing is hard, for some…

and by acting as if this was an authorization to use force, the people who are having so much trouble with my diary at dk only help with the catapulting.

the glory, the love, the madness.

by: Turkana @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:09:06 AM CDT

Please tell me where the AUMF declared war on Iraq??? But now all the Dems who voted for it swear they were NOT giving authorization to attack…. just wanted to stick up their middle finger to Saddam. They purposely write it this way so that they can feign ignorance and non responsibility later.

117. Saint Shadowthief - 27 September 2007

64. Hair Club for Men – 26 September 2007

Speaking of atheists, I went to one meeting of the NY Atheist Society and found that they were mostly Ayn Rand fans.

Bleh. Choke. Cough.

If I have to chose between an Ayn Rand lover and a religious Catholic who’s willing to fight for some kind of social justice, hand me my rosery beads and pass the body and blood of Christ.

One of my favorite quotes from Alexander Cockburn.

Between Hitchens and Mother Teresa, I’d chose Mother Teresa. If you were dying in the gutter, who’d be more likely to give you a bowl of soup.

Hitchens would be right there in the gutter with you, dead drunk.

118. mattes - 27 September 2007

marisacat….remember that. Didn’t hilary lead the charge?

Ssssso Iranian guard terrorists…and we can now go into Iran after them.

“No news here ladies and gents, no reason to worry”.

Somethings don’t change.

And on that note….I have to get some sleep. Cheers.

119. moiv - 27 September 2007

mattes, one of my cats used to have the same chronic problem. Changing her food to Royal Canin kibble cleared it right up. That might not solve the problem, but it couldn’t hurt to try it.

120. marisacat - 27 September 2007

105 BHHM
;)

I have to say that one has a wide wide nasty streak, so Good For You… A couple of people at PFF are really just getting their rocks off slashing at people.

121. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

Ssssso Iranian guard terrorists…and we can now go into Iran after them.

Obviously, No one could have predicted that the levies would break…

DhocuDhrama is way the hell on the right side of DK…. don’t let the fake “lefty” bravado fool you.

122. lucid - 27 September 2007

LC & Mattes… I don’t mean to pry, but what is your diet?

e-mail me – noxes at verizon dot net.

Given the things that have happened to me in my life, I might have some advice.

123. lucid - 27 September 2007

Why do I get stuck paying vet bills for all the neighborhood cats…

That would be a damned large vet bill if you lived in Greece. ;)

124. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

That also doesn’t mean that there is a god. I’m a total magical realist – I believe people haunt the spaces in which they exist. I believe that consciousness has energy that it impacts the physical world in some way. I have no idea whether or not that energy is remotely confined as our consciousness when we die, but ultimately that is an unimportant question. We live in what we do.

very nicely said, lucid.

125. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

notice right after that bill, and all of the other chest-thumping, we get this story being pushed by CNN (and I’m sure others).

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Researchers who launched an experimental cyber attack caused a generator to self-destruct, alarming the federal government and electrical industry about what might happen if such an attack were carried out on a larger scale, CNN has learned..

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Researchers who launched an experimental cyber attack caused a generator to self-destruct, alarming the federal government and electrical industry about what might happen if such an attack were carried out on a larger scale, CNN has learned.

Oh my god, how SCARY? Thank goodness they warned us about this test, a test which they did …

And DHS notes that it uncovered the vulnerability discovered in March, and is taking steps with industry to address it.

Oh, SEVEN MONTHS AGO. The danger must be URGENT. The video comes from HLS, the scenario comes from them, and the timing? It’s a warning which serves only to scare … there is nothing we can do about it, and it’s painfully clear the the gov’t and industry have done NOTHING since the big NE blackout in 2003, and that was just wear, tear and demand.

So fucking sick of the manipulation.

126. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

heading out the door … a new one from Orcinus:

If you want to get a glimpse of the consequences for the country should the nativists ever gain control of the nation’s immigration apparatus, take a look at what happens when cities try to drive out Latinos by passing ordinances intended to drive them out.

The folks in Riverside, New Jersey, have found out:

A little more than a year ago, the Township Committee in this faded factory town became the first municipality in New Jersey to enact legislation penalizing anyone who employed or rented to an illegal immigrant.

Within months, hundreds, if not thousands, of recent immigrants from Brazil and other Latin American countries had fled. The noise, crowding and traffic that had accompanied their arrival over the past decade abated.

The law had worked. Perhaps, some said, too well.

With the departure of so many people, the local economy suffered. Hair salons, restaurants and corner shops that catered to the immigrants saw business plummet; several closed. Once-boarded-up storefronts downtown were boarded up again.

Meanwhile, the town was hit with two lawsuits challenging the law. Legal bills began to pile up, straining the town’s already tight budget. Suddenly, many people — including some who originally favored the law — started having second thoughts.

So last week, the town rescinded the ordinance, joining a small but growing list of municipalities nationwide that have begun rethinking such laws as their legal and economic consequences have become clearer.

“I don’t think people knew there would be such an economic burden,” said Mayor George Conard, who voted for the original ordinance. “A lot of people did not look three years out.”

Heh.

127. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007

Ken Burns on Morning Joe.

Yes the “Band of Brothers” won the war. The Russians had nothing to do with it.

To be fair to Ken, I guess if he mentions Stalingrad or Kursk he’d never work again in this town.

128. Saint Shadowthief - 27 September 2007

“A lot of people did not look three years out.”–The Honourable George Conard, Mayor of Riverside, New Jersey.

That should be carved onto the base of the Statue of Liberty, Mr. Conard, and adopted as the official slogan of the United States of America.

Well, in defence of the American people, I’ll bet quite a lot of them were thinking the same as I did: Within three years, the killer asteroid is sure to descend and wipe out civilisation.

So really, it’s not our their fault.

Re: Docudhrama turning out to be right-wing, even though started by “leftists”.

Well, duh. John F. Kerry, a genuine war hero with a Silver Star and a fistful of Purple Hearts, was tarred as a coward and traitor by Dick “Five Vietnam War Deferments” Cheney, Karl “Did Not Serve But Supported the War” Rove, and George “I Would Have Reported for Duty in the Air National Guard If the Bartender Had Known the Location of the Base” Bush.

And last year, let us not forget that Dick Cheney shot a man in the face and the victim, an elderly man who nearly died, apologised to Cheney for all the suffering the shooting victim had caused to CHENEY.

If you can twist reality so that war heroes are painted as cowards and so that shooting victims have to apologise to the people who shot them, then all things are possible, including making a site co-founded by two alleged lefties into a right-wing site.

129. Saint Shadowthief - 27 September 2007

The United States won the war in the Pacific. The Russians won the land war against the Germans. Historical fact.

Burns is a propagandist and apologist for the Establishment. To listen to him is to have revealed to you the workings of a thoroughly conventional and mediocre mind.

130. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007

Burns is a propagandist and apologist for the Establishment. To listen to him is to have revealed to you the workings of a thoroughly conventional and mediocre mind.

Listening to him and Joe Scarborough at the same time is dangerous. It can make your head explode.

I liked “The Civil War” but this WWII shit is getting silly.

Read Paul Fussell instead.

131. JJB - 27 September 2007

Madman, no. 126,

Something like that happened in the Bronx, where significant numbers of illegal Irish immigrants had been living for many years, turning rotted out acres of real estate into the sort of reasonably prosperous working class neighborhoods they’d been in the 1950s. Once the Patriot Act started getting aggressively enforced, these people (who mostly worked under the radar in the contruction business and mom/pop nabe hair/nail salons, bars, coffee shops, etc.) started finding it was no longer possible to fly back to Ireland and return to what had become home without getting caught. So they closed out their bank accounts, sold their homes and businesses, and moved back to an Ireland so radically different that the government had to start advising them on how to reorient themselves to the new realities of Irish life. The number of people who’ve left the Bronx probably numbers something like 3-5,000, and the same thing must have happened in places like Boston and Chicago as well. A lot of them had been living there for a quarter of a century or more.

132. Saint Shadowthief - 27 September 2007

If I interviewed Ken Burns, I’d just start singing the lyrics to “War” by Edwin Starr:

War!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing!
Say it again!

You know, that’s probably reason #114 why I’m not employed as a media talking head. That, and my damnable inclination to think for myself.

I think Tom Brokaw ought to interview Ken Burns, and they can giggle like schoolgirls over the Greatest Generation (of White People).

Don’t let the critics get you down, Burnsie! It’s not over until YOU say it’s over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? HELL NO!

133. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007

I think Tom Brokaw ought to interview Ken Burns, and they can giggle like schoolgirls over the Greatest Generation (of White People).

American propaganda right now is very simple. It goes like this.

When you are about to start a war keep one thing in mind:

1.) If the American people think of Vietnam, that’s bad.

2.) If the American people think of WWII that’s good.

So Iran is Nazi Germany and we can pump ourselves up by watching Ken Burns.

Remember, Iran is absolutely not Cambodia and Laos. But if it is, then you shift to the new rationale.

1.) We would have won in Vietnam had not them god derned librahls stopped us from finishing the job.

2.) When we pulled out it caused the genocide in Cambodia (not the American bombing).

134. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007

It’s kind of sad when Fred Phelps puts out better anti-O’Reilly stuff than Media Matters.

135. JJB - 27 September 2007

This is a fascinating story, both for what it says about the willingness of the American public to accept as truth transparently false stories, and about a society that produces the sort of deeply disturbed people who would perform such a charade:

Tania Head’s story, as shared over the years with reporters, students, friends and hundreds of visitors to ground zero, was a remarkable account of both life and death.

She had, she said, survived the terror attack on the World Trade Center despite having been badly burned when the plane crashed into the upper floors of the south tower.

Crawling through the chaos and carnage on the 78th floor that morning, she said, she encountered a dying man who handed her his inscribed wedding ring, which she later returned to his widow.

Her own life was saved, she said, by a selfless volunteer who stanched the flames on her burning clothes before she was helped down the stairs. It was a journey she said she had the strength to make because she kept thinking of a beautiful white dress she was to wear at her coming marriage ceremony to a man named Dave.

But later she would discover, she said, that Dave, her fiancé, and in some versions her husband, had perished in the north tower.

As a matter of history, Ms. Head’s account made her one of only 19 survivors who had been at or above the point of impact when the planes hit. As a matter of emotion, her story deeply moved audiences like college students to whom she spoke and visitors at ground zero, where she has long led tours for the Tribute W.T.C. Visitor Center for visitors including Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and former Gov. George E. Pataki.. . . Much of Ms. Head’s account was posted on the Web site of the World Trade Center Survivors’ Network, a nonprofit organization for which she served as president and as point person for corporate donations.

But no part of her story, it turns out, has been verified.

The family and friends of the man to whom she claimed to be engaged say they have never heard of Tania Head and view the relationship she describes with the man, who truly died in the north tower, as an impossibility.

A spokeswoman for Merrill Lynch & Company, where she told people she worked at the time of the terror attack, said the company had no record of employing a Tania Head.

And few people, it seems, who embraced the gripping immediacy and pain of her account ever asked the name of the man whose ring she had returned, or that of the hospital where she was treated, or the identities of the people she met with in the south tower on the morning of 9/11.

[snip]

In recent weeks, The New York Times sought to interview Ms. Head about her experiences on 9/11 because she had, in other settings, presented a poignant account of survival and loss. But she canceled three scheduled interviews, citing her privacy and emotional turmoil, and declined to provide details to corroborate her story. During a telephone conversation on Tuesday, she would not explain her reticence, saying only that she had not filed any claims with the federal Victim Compensation Fund. “I have done nothing illegal,” Ms. Head said.

She has retained a lawyer, Stephanie Furgang Adwar, to represent her. Also on Tuesday, in response to a question about the accuracy of Ms. Head’s account, Ms. Adwar said in an e-mail message, “With regard to the veracity of my client’s story, neither my client, nor I, have any comment.”[I think that's the most beautiful example of legalese I've ever read. - JJB]

No one has suggested that Ms. Head did anything to profit financially from her position as an officer with the Survivors’ Network, the nonprofit group for which she helped to raise money. But the organizations with which she has been affiliated have also questioned her account after learning of the inquiries from The Times.

For several weeks, colleagues who said they respected the good work she had done as a fixture in the survivor community have pressed her to come forward with clarifying details. But they said that they had been unable to persuade her or, in other cases, that she made representations that contradicted previous versions she had given.

[long snip]

She has told people that she is the daughter of a diplomat, and is described on the Survivors’ Network Web site as “a senior vice president for strategic alliances for an investment think tank.”

Biographical material circulated at a school where she was scheduled to speak listed her as a financial executive who had done work in the United States, the United Kingdom, Argentina, France, Singapore and Holland for leading firms. She said that she had started out as a management consultant for Andersen Consulting.

Ms. Head told Mr. Crowther’s family that she had worked on a mergers team at Merrill Lynch and that all the members of the team in the south tower had perished on 9/11, except her.

More recently, Linda Gormley, a board member of the Survivors’ Network, said that Ms. Head had told her she had been in the building applying for an internship.

Ms. Head, who sometimes uses the first name Alicia, has also said that she traveled to Thailand after the tsunami in 2004 and to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina to offer her help.

As for her educational background, she has told people that she has an undergraduate degree from Harvard and a graduate business degree from Stanford, though officials at both universities said they could not find records of a student by her name.

Her work with the Survivors’ Network appears to have begun in 2004, when Gerry Bogacz, one of its founders, said he learned through word of mouth that a woman named Tania Head had developed an Internet group for survivors.

“We had a long e-mail conversation over a two-month period, before we met, and shared our experiences,” Mr. Bogacz, who escaped from the north tower on 9/11, said in an interview. “The constellation of her experiencing the plane crash personally on the 78th floor and her fiancé’s being in the other tower and getting killed was just amazing.”

Recalling a Fiery Escape

Ms. Head, who lives in Midtown Manhattan, became a board member of the Survivors’ Network about a year later, according to Mr. Bogacz.

The story she shared with people was that she had been on the 96th floor of the south tower, which was occupied by the Fiduciary Trust Company International, when the north tower was hit by the first plane at 8:46 a.m. She was up there, according to her own account, as a Merrill Lynch employee helping to close a merger between Fiduciary Trust and Franklin Resources Inc.

She was on the 78th floor, waiting for an express elevator to leave the south tower, she said, when the second plane struck.

Ms. Head has described how a severely burned man on the floor handed her his wedding ring as she crawled past, a ring she returned to the man’s grieving widow months later. Ms. Head has not publicly disclosed the identity of that family.

She has spoken, though, of being rescued by Mr. Crowther, a 24-year-old equities trader and volunteer firefighter from Rockland County who is credited with saving several people in the south tower by leading them to the only stairs in either tower not severed by the planes. But Mr. Crowther, who is believed to have worn a red bandanna that day, did not escape himself. Ms. Head has said that she awoke to find Mr. Crowther extinguishing the flames on her clothes.

Five days later, she has said, she regained consciousness in a hospital and found out that Dave, her fiancé, had died in the north tower.

Ms. Head has said she established a foundation in his memory, Dave’s Children Foundation, and has served as its executive director. But there are no registration records of such a charity on file with the federal government or with New York State.

A colleague of Ms. Head’s said she had told her that she met Dave when they were fighting over a taxi, and that he gave her his business card, which she threw away in a huff. But about a month later, she has said, they ended up at the same business meeting and soon started to date.

A colleague said Ms. Head had turned up for the last three anniversaries at ground zero to place a small replica of a yellow cab and flowers there in honor of David and how they met.

Discrepancies in Details

Ms. Head has told several people that shortly before 9/11, she and Dave went to Hawaii, where they recognized their commitment to each other in a ceremony that was not legally recorded. Several people said she had told them that the official wedding was to be held in October 2001 in New York City, but that the couple had already begun to live together on the East Side with their golden retriever, Elvis.

In recent days, though, an associate of Ms. Head’s, Janice Cilento, a social worker who is on the board of the Survivors’ Network, said that Ms. Head told a different version of her life with Dave, relating now that they had only known each other for a few months and that their relationship had been kept secret from his family. Previously, Ms. Cilento said, Ms. Head had told her that she knew Dave’s family well, and that the couple had been living together for some time.

Most recently, last weekend, Ms. Cilento said, Ms. Head told her in a phone conversation that her relationship with Dave had been a fantasy.

In fact, the family and several friends of Dave, whose full name is being withheld by The Times to protect their privacy, said they had never heard of Tania Head. His mother said none of her son’s e-mail messages had indicated such a relationship. Both his parents and his roommate, with whom he lived in Manhattan, said they knew of no trip that he had taken to Hawaii.

[snip]

Jefferson Crowther [father of the very real 9/11 hero Ms. Head claimed saved her life] said in an interview that with the help of another Tribute Center tour guide, he and his wife met Ms. Head early last year. Mr. Crowther said that he arranged for them all to have dinner in a private dining room at the Princeton Club because Ms. Head had indicated she was uneasy about meeting in a very public place.

“During the dinner she said she still had her burned clothing and was going to send us a piece of it on a plaque since it was one of the last things our son had touched,” he recalled. “She explained that her clothes were on fire and that our son took a jacket and put out the flames. She told us that she said, ‘Don’t leave me,’ and he replied, ‘I won’t. Don’t worry. I’ll get you down.’”

“She seemed so heartfelt and genuine about what she said to us,” Mr. Crowther said.

That last anecdote is especially creepy, IMHO. What a ghastly, sick individual.

Now if only the Times would devote similar energies to exposing the mendacious falsehoods behind Giuliani’s alleged heroic conduct before, during, and after 9/11.

136. JJB - 27 September 2007

Long comment stuck in spam, I think.

137. msxeno - 27 September 2007

To all you ailurophiles (cat-lovers):

Sometimes those little bumps on the skin are an allergy, to either food or mites. They may pass with time, but if not, a cortisone injection + a change of food ingredients sometimes works. Talk to a good vet.

Callie the Calico’s food costs more than a week at the beach, but she is doing much better since we got it for her.

=^..^=

138. msxeno - 27 September 2007

P.S.– Mcat, no problem vis-a-vis mentioning WP’s hiccups. I have always assumed that if people didn’t respond to me, it just meant they were busy and that it’s impractical to reply to everyone who posts. It never occurred to me that I could read my comments but that others couldn’t.

Love that dkosser is whining at PFF that he didn’t know about Madman’s ethnic makeup before he made his stoopid cheap shots. Uh, dude. It would have worked just as well to start out with the assumption that an opponent’s ethnic makeup is not clear from a couple of posts and to THUS START OUT NOT BEING A BIGOTED DICK. See, because then you don’t have to apologize later. Start out NOT BEING A COMPLETE SHITHEEL. It works much better than trying to backpedal later when it’s too late and everyone already knows that you are a shitheel, and an irredeemable one at that.

139. JJB - 27 September 2007

When I read that story I linked to above, I couldn’t help but think of Soj, the transparent phony who is still an honored personage at various BBBs. Just out of curiosity, I checked to see what he/she has been up to over at Little Orange Footballs, and discovered this recent diary. Right off the bat, I noticed several whopping mistakes that virtually scream out to be discovered, i.e., at the time the alleged person whose funeral Soj attended was born, the Romanian nation did indeed exist; the heir to the Hapsburg throne (Franz Ferdinand) assassinated in Sarajevo was not killed 3 years after said person’s alleged birth (which if he died at 94 would mean he was born in 1913) but one year after; and the heir was not the son of the Austrian Emperor, but his nephew. Also, Romania was a sovereign nation with a king long before Soj would have it, and the monarchy remained in place until 1947; he implies it was abolished some 20 years before it was.

That’s just for starters. Soj claims the subject of his diary, whom he gives the pseudonymous name of Mr. Lazarescu (which I assume is meant to invoke Lazarus) fought on the German side in the Battle of Stalingrad, and not only managed to survive, but avoided being captured by the Soviets, walking all the way home to Romania in the midst of the Russian winter. Or should I say to Hungary, since this person lived in the part of Transylvania ceded to Hungary in 1940? That’s some hike, roughly 1,500 to 2,000 kilometers, much of it through territory experiencing raging blizzards and temperatures that probably often dropped below -15 degrees F on a nightly basis.

As I mentioned before, throughout the story, Mr. Lazarescu’s date of birth keeps switching from 1911 to 1913. Soj has him dying this year at the age of 94, but keeps referencing historical events by stating the age of the diary’s subject, and thereby having him born at the earlier time, i.e., he was 3 when Franz Ferdinand was assassinated, 56 when Nicolae Ceausescu took power in Romania (he misspells the dictator’s last name, incidentally, and gets the year of his accession wrong, it happened in 1965). Also note that very unlikely tale about this guy’s wife hiding a cow from the Nazis by digging a hole and putting the amazingly compliant cow in it. Aside from the cow having to behave in very unbovine fashion for this to have occurred, the Nazis didn’t occupy Hungary until 1944. Prior to that, there was no need to, the Hungarians were very willing allies and German troops would have been needed elsewhere. And yet again, Soj is confused about what nation his hero’s home town was a part of at a particular time.

For anyone actually a dim enough bulb to believe this completely unconvincing bit of fantasy, here is the dead giveaway the very cynical Soj always provides his marks with:

In his final years, Mr. Lazarescu had to leave his beloved village to be cared for in town by one of his daughters. This is where I met him and spent so many hours with him sitting in the garden, surrounded by the peace and tranquility that had been so rare in the rest of his life. His teeth were mostly gone and his voice hoarse but his mind was as sharp as ever, telling me jokes and chiding me for not starting a family of my own.

He told me that one of the brightest moments of his later years was when he met me. He’d hold my hand with almost tears in his eyes, unwilling to let go because to him it seemed a genuine miracle that a real, authentic American was there in his garden, in Romania. For more than 80 years of war, famine, strife and dictatorship the idea that democracy, freedom and liberty would ever come to his country seemed like a fool’s dream. And if one nation embodied those concepts, it was the United States.

I would think that the moment I finally arrived back home and collapsed into the arms of my wife after hiking over 1,000 miles through war ravaged countryside would be a brighter moment in my life than meeting Soj, but maybe he/she’s just one really cool dude(tte).

Anyway, it’s nice that Soj has so much free time to spend in obscure parts of Romania, spending multiple hours chatting with an elderly person whose mind remains so sharp in spite of very advanced age, and who is able to converse intelligibly with someone who is almost certainly a native English speaker in spite of having almost no teeth and speaking what one would think is a rather low, peasant version of Romanian heavy on regional pronunciation and colloquial expressions that would probably be obscure even to a well-educated, cosmopolitan native-Romanian speaker such as the person Soj pretends to be.

140. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

lucid,

Thanks for the offer for diet tips. My financial situation is so lousy that I can’t eat what I want or what would actually be good for me half the time anyway. But I’ll drop you a line to see what help you may be able to offer.

141. Marie - 27 September 2007

JJB – thanks for debunking the Soj diary. I read it when it was posted and thought it seemed off but didn’t think about it beyond that. As nothing in Soj’s diaries ever seemed dangerous, just slightly curious, it never seemed to be important enough to challenge or question them.

If FLH is so important, why does he spend so much time on PFF?

re: 9/11 and fear. Those close to the attacks seem to have responded appropriately. It was the rest of the country that exhibited craziness. Even the response to the anthrax letters was out of proportion to the risk. Those infected might not have died if they’d known to seek medical treatment early and the doctors were quickly able to identify the infection.

The response among the general public to the Cuban Missile Crisis was very different. And that one was potentially far more destructive than anything al Qaeda or the anthrax terrorist could have done. Once the crisis passed (and the public wasn’t fully aware of the serioiusness of it), it was as if the nation issued a collective sigh of relief and we just got on with life. As we did after the assassinations of JFK, MLK, Jr. and RFK. We didn’t know that we were supposed to live in a constant state of fear (although there was a low level sense of dread about nuclear war for the first couple of decades of the Cold War). Even Nixon’s and Goldwater’s fear pimping during those years was was nothing like what we’ve seen from GWB, at least after McCarthy was taken down. Back then white Americans were more fearful of black Americans than the commie boogieman, of course those two fears were not independent of each other.

142. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007
143. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

If FLH is so important, why does he spend so much time on PFF?

Hey, c’mon now! I’m “important” and I spend time there too. (lol)

144. JJB - 27 September 2007

Marie,

Everything Soj writes about should be considered highly suspect. Assume it’s all lies unless proven otherwise.

145. marisacat - 27 September 2007

new thread:

LINK

146. StupidAsshole - 27 September 2007

109: Mattes, do you have more than one cat? I find Frontline always works to kill off their fleas, provided you use it monthly. However, if you have more than one cat, you have to watch them carefully, as they will lick the Frontline off one another as a favor.


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