WHY? 15 October 2007
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Cindy for Congress [official website, 2 links that follow are at the same site]
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Because she will not ever, as long as she lives, be saying this
“If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have ‘Impeach Bush’ across their chest, it’s the First Amendment.”
Thre is no whiff of brioche, no sniff of Shepherdess — with Cindy.
Thar she blows – that whiff and sniff, and look closely, with Steny bringing up the rear.

Next year it will be small trained monkeys carrying a Cathedral length train. I have it on good authority the monkeys’ custom suits are being made, as I write, at Versace. Little violet suits, from the softest vicuna, trimmed with South Seas Pearls… sweat shops on the Marianas (Delay gave Nancy the keys) are sewing, fast as they can, the many sets of undies for the monkeys, from China silk.
And of course, there is this little tidbit - Ray McGovern writing at Consortium News [thanks to Madman]:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has admitted knowing for several years about the Bush administration’s eavesdropping on Americans without a court warrant. She said she was briefed on it when she was ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.
But was she told that the illegal surveillance began well before 9/11?
Referring to her briefing in an apologia-sans-apology Washington Post op-ed on Jan. 15, 2006, she wrote: “This is how I came to be informed of President Bush’s authorization for the NSA to conduct certain types of surveillance.”
Demonstrating her unconstitutionally subservient attitude toward the Executive Branch, Pelosi wrote:
“But when the administration notifies Congress in this manner, it is not seeking approval. There is a clear expectation that the information will be shared by no one, including other members of the intelligence committees. As a result, only a few members of Congress were aware of the president’s surveillance program, and they were constrained from discussing it more widely.”
How did the American people react upon learning in December 2005 of this glaring infringement on their Constitutional rights. Most reacted as they have been conditioned to act—out of the old fear-factor shibboleth: “After 9/11/2001, everything changed.”
And I won’t be leaving this part out!
Yes, just as after 2/27/1933, the night of the burning of the German Parliament (Reichstag) in Berlin, everything changed.
As a German attorney there at the time put it:
“What one can blame them [German politicians and populace] for, and what shows their terrible collective weakness of character, is that this settled the matter. With sheepish submissiveness the German people accepted that, as a result of the fire, each one of them lost what little personal freedom and dignity was guaranteed by the Constitution; as though it followed as a necessary consequence. If the Communists burned down the Reichstag, it was perfectly in order that the government took ‘decisive measures.’” [Defying Hitler, A Memoir, by Sebastian Haffner, p. 121]
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Dennis Perrin has an interesting and timely post up on John Lennon. Calmez! I am nto especially a Lennon fan, but I can appreciate and even venerate the struggle.
[I] knew about the harassment of Lennon before watching this film, but I didn’t realize how deep this campaign ran. When Lennon used his celebrity and popularity to help spring from jail the radical John Sinclair, the powers-that-be became very concerned about what Lennon would do next.
Unlike Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Angela Davis, or even the Weather Underground, Lennon’s appeal crossed over to apolitical types; and if he could wake them up, or worse, radicalize them, that would be a bad thing for those higher-ups already shaken by the growing opposition to the Vietnam war.
So J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI, in concert with the Nixon White House, began spying on Lennon and Yoko Ono, assembling a fat file on their every movement and personal associations. They weren’t about to let some long-haired dope-smoking limey fag and his Jap wife fuck with their domestic power. This is confirmed in the film by G. Gordon Liddy, who takes pride in that operation which Nixon not only knew about, but obsessed over.
Good post, very political… and this:
They weren’t about to let some long-haired dope-smoking limey fag and his Jap wife fuck with their domestic power.
So classic. And yes, cross over appeal drives the ptb absolutely batshitfuckingcrazy. They feel they cannot control groups that may pop up in support, from either left or right field. Or hell, center field. You never know, the center right libertarian batshit all but Republicans Boyos [and they know who they are] could wake up.
Not likely, but could happen. Not likely tho…..
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This is open to comments:
I am going to try to do 2 – 3 “real” posts a week. With or without threads… But will have threads 3 – 4 times a week, of course leaving that thread open til there is a new one…. If I could physically do more, I would. But I intend to continue to post thru the GE election and into the new Congress and Administration, on all the subjects I usually post about…
Last: ”donkeytale” – and his titz – is banned, are banned. He has a lap pool to ply his trade in now and in all his parts and pieces is banned. Personally, I think he is paid astroturf.
Hey, Dkosser/Moon/noom got three diaries out of being asked to lay off for a while. Go for it, donk.
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welcome back, my friend.
excellent, as always. So many threads to pull from the tapestry of our ongoing, eagerly embraced oppression. That we’re left with such as Lennon and Ono as our champions only demonstrates our weakness, or how completly the powers that be have sewn us all in.
Nancy P is a sad rep of our current state, Marie Antoinette without glamour, a politician without a soul or cause, a functionary doing time as the Republic burns.
A pox on all of them.
Good to see you back in action.
Frankly, if Dem party supporters can’t see Pelosi for what she is by now, they’re absolutely hopeless. Her dripping condescension towards the people she claims to represent bleeds from every pore.
Dahr Jamail has a book coming out: Beyond the Green Zone: Dispatches from an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq. I’ll have to see if Santa will spring for that one.
hey hey…
Just got thru reading a comment somewhere out in Blahgland… a breathless exhortation that if we get rid of these currently in power we will return to greatness, to respect, we will restore the Constitution and we will hold those accountable… something about impunity in there………blahblahblah.
Mindblowing. One hopes the writer is very young.
What is going on in this country is as clear as red blood slaking down a white wall.
WB!
Send Nancy to Dubai. They have all the best shops and are really progressive towards women..So they say…..
She’s so bought in from jump, you can’t even really call it selling out.
So many posers looking to work for some Sultan or other…
Kind of like in the allegory of the ant hill….
hmm
the close of the McGovern piece.. honestly, there is nothing left to say.
.. listening to Eric Prince and his fictions.. on with Rose…
They weren’t about to let some long-haired dope-smoking limey fag and his Jap wife fuck with their domestic power.
Imagine The latest in Progressive Commentary online
From Markos and the Boyz:
“Why did they have to call the guy with a Jap wife a Fag???….
“Pick your battles I guess”-Sarah Silverman
Glad to see the bar is open.
There’s a big saloon fight still in progress over Hillary’s “all options are on the table” statement on Iran. The best defense her cheerleaders can muster is that she’s lying to us for our own good.
That’s us, all right — the idiot electorate.
Cindy’s casualty figure is seriously out of date.
“If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have ‘Impeach Bush’ across their chest, it’s the First Amendment.”
God I’d love to lock Nancy in the subway with my favorite homeless guy. He comes into the car and starts singing. Everybody gives him money so he’ll leave. He’s that bad. Of course we all know Nancy’s being reincarnated as a homeless guy who can’t sing.
sorry HC
what is her figure… ?
I scanned the doc at the campaign site, just one figure of the mother of KIA @ _________
I missed other figures
moiv – 10
long long excuse season coming up. Going to get very dreary and irritating… gah.
2260 dead.
That’s when, Fall of 2005?
Yeah, just like the endless litany of excuses for the excesses of mother church — Catholics. Can’t Live With ‘Em, Can’t Live Without ‘Em(?)
And from the same apologist for murder, “our killers are better than those Prod killers” . . .
“Gah” indeed — GMAFB
yeah very out of date. or a typo. I cannot see that she would be behind on the deaths.
Speaking of the Catholic church, I was in the movies and a trailer for “Elizabeth” came on.
Walter Raleigh says ominously to Elizabeth “the Armada brings with it the Inquisition”.
And somebody shouted out from the seats “and nobody expected that” and like 300 people just couldn’t control their laughter.
Lots of Monty Python fans in the world.
HC
have to hand it to MP, they may help us save ourselves [some of us] yet. Or at least achieve lasting irony.
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moiv,
those are some whoppers.
Speaking of that wonderful Catholic Church: Sex, lies and videotape: turmoil at the Vatican
Subtitles:
· Official secretly filmed propositioning young man
· Bureaucrat claims he was investigating satanist plot
Ah yes…the old “satanist plot” ploy.
Monsignor Tommaso Stenico, a capo ufficio, or section head, at the Vatican ministry responsible for the clergy, insisted yesterday he was not gay. He said he had posed as a homosexual to research a plot by satanists.
Maybe Stenico and Craig can meet up. Half way. An airport somewehre…
LOL
Eric Prince just called Blackwater
“a very robust temp agency”.
that really made me laugh.
Nice to see this diary.
Just watched Erik Prince.
Libertarians: Markos, Jay and Erik, so nice. All military. Trained to kill.
As for Pelosi….why doesn’t she just tattoo a star on her forehead.
Eric Prince just called Blackwater
“a very robust temp agency”.
Never doubt that the Onion got there first.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:rJo7ZubkJRUJ:www.theonion.com/content/node/30239+the+onion+temps&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
22-(WB!)
Killy Girls?
thanks mattes…
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Eric also said he wants the tax payer to get a good deal.
Boy they just laugh openly at the American people.
Charlie completely set up the scenario that we now should dispatch Blackwater contingents to do things like SAVE PEOPLE in Rwanda. Darfur, elsewhwere. As if we ever save anyone.
Such bullshite. I am sure many will buy it. In fact I know they do.
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Miss D… LOL
catnip, it’s so reassuring to know the Vatican is still keeping us safe from satanists.
You might enjoy this.
Ah, the eternal verities. There are still 8,000,000 stories in the naked city . . .
oh that is a scream moiv…
So very much the church. On target.
This is on your The Real News feed, but I think it’s worth highlighting:
Why Senator Clinton?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0icVblxh2dI
I meant to put this in the body of the post, and forgot..
Ron Paul was on TNH Friday, and mouthed, when his early reticence broke down, all the ugly lies about abortion.
BULLHSIT with the canard, same as the Democrats use to elect pro life, that he respects law.
gah.
I have caught him before on abortion (he gets really extreme nad ugly) on Board of Ed (get rid of it), on stopping all federally underwritten medical care (Medicare, medical care on the rez, etc.) – and so on. Over and over I find libertarians really are useful to the Republicans. Who also want to do away with ALL entitlements.
Which makes sense if it will be war all the time. All over the world. With Eric with The Bangs leading.
Oh yeah he is so harmless.
I’m thinking of investing in a dart board but I can’t find one packaged with a spear gun and a complete variety of targets. The Catholic Church the Vatican , and their favored secular heirs to millenial fortunes brokered a veritable millenia ago by papal decree should account for have of the disposable sheets…
Head for the Hills when the missionaries land with their global vision.
More than * half* actually ( mispell and correction)
Keeping ones enemy closer, opportunism, and RealPolitik is a failure…
Only the willingness to let go of ethnocentric identification will allow us to save ourselves….It is such a terrible cycle of despotism We have raised it here in the Xtian West to a most wicked form: cloaked in righteousness, disguised as opportunity. Not much of a chance as the non Xtian despots give less concern over appearances and their people are even more desperate and afraid than Cholly with the cable bill paid here…..
Invariably someone makes it out of the killing fields, survives the famine, or lives to tell of swordsmen on horseback….fewer over time to be sure. As terrible as it sounds, until people are willing to kill the despots here in the West, [**note below** ] the cycle will continue without pause and only a pause it will be, as so much of it has been fomented globally arms for indiginous despots, or ex- pat-despots-
in-waiting a bowl of rice in one locale for the peasants a chance at a big mac in another…
…The best it seems to me are mere moments or pause here or their around the globe..[this, perversely, is the most common rationale for our own unforgiveable slaughter] If History is a guide, the murder- mass deprivation – justifiable homicide cycle repeats it self again and again until the heirs of justice become corrupt..the shortest phase in the cycle….
re violence–Upon Historical review, not much of a believer in the power of non violence to rearrange anything for long other than the deck chairs on the cruise ship or maybe a a hammock choice in a steamers berth to similar slave wage work elsewhere. …
Did I just wake up this morning to find Hillary parroting the Chimperor’s lines? No, I must be still asleep. I’ll just hit myself with this brick until I wake up…
Hillary Clinton: ‘we do not conduct or condone torture’
In a appearance today on the program The VIEW, Democratic presidential front runner Hillary Clinton layed out her opposition to the use of what the CIA called, “enhanced interrogation techniques.”
“I think it’s really important for the United States to make it absolutely clear that as a policy we don’t conduct or condone torture,” Clinton said, to audience applause.
Remember the MIC Murtha guy we were talking about last week?
Scatterbrained:
Also from Reuters
From two weeks ago:
Marisacat: Dave Neiwert has a piece on Ron Paul:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/10/no-fault-of-his-own.html
An image of the late JPII or a profile of a kitten? You decide:
http://tinyurl.com/23pdt9
thanks raincat… I will take a look.
the Paul worshippers are funny … just completely unwilling to look at his history.
moiv, no. 16,
That’s a terrific story. Reminds me of Francis Cardinal Spellman, who ran the archdiocese of NY for almost 30 years, and had a thing for Broadway chorus boys.
One of my favorites stories of the princes of the church was Archbishop Quinn out here in SF.. After they removed him to Oxford (and as a fav of JPII he really had expected some ducal palazzo in sunny Italy for his retirement)… they sent us Levada… who now is one o f the right hand people to Ratz-zinger.
Quinn had kept “boys” for years. Very youthful looking lovers. I had heard about it thru the years from gay friends. And I guess a good amount of trolling for rough trade.
LOL. The problem was he was putting the beloveds up in suburban homes. That he bought, using church funds.
Not a good denouement for the church’s bottom line.
Right on cue. for AFRICOM, Eric Prince and the arms dealers…. where there is war to be had there is little “saving” to do. And Hillary said at Howard U she “would blow the Sudanese pilots out of the sky”. To some applause, tho not the full audience.
And who in Wisconsin could forget the hijinx of Archbishop Rembert “Tell Me That You Love Me” Weakland?
It’s no longer a surprise.
no surprise, absolutely. For the astute it was known decades ago.
Parents have long handed their children over for ritual sacrifice.
And will continue to do so, imo.
The Pro-War Undertow of the Blackwater Scandal
I couldn’t stand watching the Eric Prince on Rose interview more than two minutes. Just the platform he needed to show that he’s really a nice guy after all…
What is it with that hair anyway. So…hitleresque..
‘Many in the US Military Think Bush and Cheney Are Out of Control’
I think he underestimates the damage that both the American and Israeli right are willing to create, but love this tidbit at the end:
I sure hope he’s right about the military, but I’m not counting on it, and frankly the Air Force is rife with xtian nutjobs.
Prince has been ‘Rose and Clooney washed’ in my opinion.
Like “pink washed”, pretend you donate a share of profits to breast cancer, but of course you do not. Or you donate a dollar, a single dollar to justify using the word… . Or ”poor washed” (which is what Rose and Clooney are doing) … which means masking your actual actions as “for the poor”.
Think of the Catholic Church. LOL. Evangelical missionaries, etc. As a sort of war effort.
We killed all the people in the country. To save them.
Just to depress you all even more
He was the CIA’s expert on Pakistan’s nuclear secrets, but Rich Barlow was thrown out and disgraced when he blew the whistle on a US cover-up.
Now he’s to have his day in court
In the Kingdom of Fear:
A war on words.
I can’t excerpt any of it … the whole story is remarkable.
Glingle
Thanks for posting that, I read it the other night and let it slip away from me..
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Madman
ugh I read things like Kolko in Spiegel and these people need to think back to what they expected in 00. And what they expected in spring/summer of 02.
I was not the only person out here who said, think twice voting for Bush, even if your automatic default is Rep and conservative”. We had more than an inkling what was planned.
My line then was, “we have enough enemies, we don;’t need to take on the personal enemies of the Bush Family”.
Not that it matters, I think Maddy, Hilarius, Berger (close to Mama Clinton but goes in the back door, or so I read) and Cohen were much hotter in 98 for war with Iraq than i perceived at the time.
Wht a mess we are in…
Say hello to War, War Bonds, National Service soon to be a draft… the joke is on us.
Nice to see you back Mcat. Hope you had a good weekend.
Ah, someone would have gotten along quite well with Leo Straus.
Rose and Clooney will need buckets of disinfectant. And they should save a few buckets of it for themselves.
David Neiwert
I wonder if Pelosi and the Dems made a deal with Bush not to impeach because of the pending war with Iran. Wouldn’t want the CIC to be all tied up in hearings when Israel (supposedly) needs protecting, would they?
CNN is reporting that Turkey has officially threatened to shut Incirclik airbase to the US over the Armenian resolution.
#29. moiv – maybe that’s just part of the church’s “love the sinner” campaign.
The whole Armenian resolution has been stunning to watch. Why now? Not like the Turks don’t have very easy retaliation. As they’ve shown
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the eliminationist rhetoric is stronger than any poll. IMO.
And the money, winger and secretive, behind all the hard core rhetoric is stronger than any poll.
LOL Or you can bleat on the blahgs about “taking the country back”.
Question from the back of the room:
If the Iraqi court system was good enough to try Saddam and his cronies with the US cheering that on as “justice”, then why isn’t it good enough to try the Blackwater thugs?
Guns take pride of place in US family values
I think Neiwert is right. With the Dems threatening to take back the WH while keeping control of congress, along with the fact that social conservatives re gritting their teeth over the current frontrunners – flip flopper Ken™ Doll and cushy with the “sinners” Guiliani – the general election season is primed to be extremely nasty.
I can’t remember which pundit it was that I saw yesterday who went on about how the conservative movement is in complete disarray but that fact has also made them very desperate. They’ll fight but they’re not the same front that they used to be. In fact, they may be even more dangerous at this point.
The Dair El Zor Hoax
Arlington to expand for Iraq war losses
#67. I keep wondering if this supposed disagreement about what to do about Iran – this “fight” between Rice/Gates on one side and Cheney on the other – is even real. You’d think that, if it was, Rice would be doing a helluva lot more to push the ME peace process since that would be a way to cut things off at the pass. She’s done virtually nothing and she was one of the Iraq war fearmongers. I think the public is probably being sold another faux bill of goods when it comes to her so-called resistance to bombing Iran. That’s why I was surprised by Jimmy Carter’s gushing words about her to Blitzer last week – as if she’s a voice of reason in the administration. Her position as sec of state is supposed to provide that but, personally, I don’t see it in her.
agree, I don’t see this big battle between Condi and Cheney and various lining up with each. Manufactured. Maybe contention over small things, but that is it.
Regional bonfire, eventually some sort of global war, full fledged – not the spotty event we have now – anti terrorism masking religious war….
Meanwhile Putin skulks around laughing at us…
really beautifully said.
Not sure how many of you might be interested, but Canada’s fall version of the state of the union – our “speech from the throne” (which always makes me picture someone sitting on the john pontificating) – will be happening this evening. It will be shown online live at CPAC’s site, starting at 6pm ET (unusual time since it’s usually on in the afternoon). It’s read by the Governor General – not the PM.
Excellent takedown of centrism.
Holy Smoke
Police charge woman who shouted profanities at overflowing toilet
Why, you ask?
# 74 The comments in that link are really hilarious; I couldn’t think of anything better to add.
#75. I have zero tolerance for my fellow Herbs being abused by macho cops.
Just heard about this on CNN: Reading, writing, recruiting?
Sorry, but that’s just scary.
Also heard on CNN that Harry Reid is considering “minor tweaks” to the SCHIP bill to please Bush in case they can’t override his veto.
This fainting goat moment brought to you by Levitra – for all of your congressional erectile dysfunction needs.
whereas SF, last I heard, did not allow recruiting on campuses here. ROTC is an issue as well. It embarrasses Newsom, think he has even said it makes us look unpatriotic.
And SF is not not not liberal. In case ST is still on a jag about that…
The recruiting that goes on in schools is bad enough but to have branches of the armed services actually running high schools? That’s Orwellian.
Lenin’s Tomb has a review up of the Faludi book, “Terror Dream”
Interesting:
What happens to women in this story? They can return to domestic docility, or they can take up decoy roles in the military. They can be like the precious Jessica Lynch, for example, whose story has been written and rewritten on her behalf and without her input several times. The helpless white girl roughed up by savages, rescued by the Rough Riders: a damsel in distress and danger, in need of humanitarian intervention. They can be weeping widows and mothers (unless their sons have been killed as a result of an unpopular war – intriguingly, there is no mention of Cindy Sheehan in Faludi’s book). They can be “Let’s Roll” widows, provided they stick with the media script provided in advance
And note how women who step out of line, Barbara Lee in 2002, the Dixie Chicks, Rachel Corrie, Cindy Sheehan all get attacked in ways men don’t.
LOL IOZ, predictably, has a different take… he is reading Faludi as well.
Aside from the Faludi book, I agree with IOZ about the country. I said of Bremer and his combat boots, he does not want to be a soldier, he wants to bed down WITH a soldier.
LOL IOZ, predictably, has a different take…
Jesus. Never read that guy with soda in your mouth. I almost choked laughing.
IOZ is a scream!
Another post the same day is on DKos. Miles above some of the take downs around.
But then IOZ is a literate and vivacious soul.
people are missing how widespread is the pushed theme that The Promised Land is but a vote away………………
May I say I don’t yearn for Hillary’s womb. Not even knowing Bill was near there. LOL…
But it works and will work for millions of Democrats.
well, the idea seems to be spreading:
Stop Playing Their Game
Time to Boycott Voting
This is the close of the Lenin’s Tomb review of Faludi book (linked up at comment 81) — and so true
Marisa #85 – re: IOZ – I weighed in on that ridiculous dKos diary by linking to one of IOZ’s prior pieces. Needless to say my comment wasn’t welcomed.
Re: America totally gay – pathetic that I didn’t connect the last dot after noting how totally gay the Bush/Cheney admin is.
Damn! I didn’t realize how addicted I was to this blog until comments closed for a few days.
Welcome back!
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Marie… LOL…
The latest Theme o’Day is that Dkos is “going down”… I happen not to buy it. Hard to kill a tool off, becasue it never mattered that it was up OR down.
People forget that winger money is behind the DLC (From and Reed) and NDN (Rosenberg et al.) and Kos/Blahgs/aligned box car sites is/are the best online rep for that endless push to the right.
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SA — 90
why thanks… 8)
So did Keith Moon/Dkosser have a paranoid attack in Central Park and beat up Randi Rhodes or not?
HC
hard to say on Randi. Something happened.. we know that much.
The one person not talking publicly (apparently) is RR…
Moon must read this place obsessively. As soon as I posted about him he found me out on PFF.
moonnoomdkosser.. whoever else he is. I can’t remember what people said about him anymore.
LOL one more programmer I bet.
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Lenin’t Tomb on Come Back Taliban All is Forgiven… My short title for it, Cosy, Still…
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and a good swift appraisal of political moves in Germany, at the close of the analysis of the Guardian article on Afghanistan….
Hooray for the den of iniquity re-opening, even at reduced hours !!
Anyone for pizza ?
97-artichokes and olives.
We warned them about Jack Murtha
The New Inequality
[slips a slice of pie to MissD.]
Kalamata okay ?
IRL, the pizza is still only a concept. But I think I’ll bail on work for tonight. It’s been an unrelenting nightmare all day and I’ve had quite enough.
Still slated to watch Al Nobel’s movie tonight, after much stalling. I’m glad I have almost a full bottle of bourbon in the house, along with a couple of bottles of good stout.
framing & being out
More speech about everything, especially dissenting speech.
101 Ms xee – whatever ya do take an intermission and come online about 2/3 o’ the way through the bourbon, boilermakers, and stout ..
{waves to BHHM}
Okay, I’m back. Have to say: A very mediocre movie, all around. I mean, couldn’t somebody at least have explained to Al during production that the whole “boiled frog” schtick is a fucking urban legend?
Tch.
[passes BHHM the bottle of Old Fro-- er, Old Crow.]
Oh, and Mcat, my money is on antihegemonic as the PFF poster most likely to be a plant. I dunno’. Her style just seem really, really stilted and prefab.
think auntie hege is louisianagirl/pointecoupeedemocrat.
And whoever else.
Seems to be a garden over there…
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I tried to get a job as a plant, but they tell me that my typing style is too distinctive. Too many spaces after the punctuation marks. :/
Re Mcat’s #70, .My take on
Putin’s Fuck You, Cheney – Da Vladsta Wants Paid
Seems to me the Kremlin, in rich turnabout as fair play: the Kremlin sees the onion skin thin paper tiger our ground forces are in the region. A backdoor pledge for field arms and Russian intelligence for Tehren in the event of any US incursion in Iran and the Shia could all but incinerate our ground forces in Iraq.
There is little downside for them. Germany, particularly, needs their [Russian] Oil.
From DOE
And Like Vladimir, Mahmoud has more than a few short and curlies in his grasp:
Europe Japan,France, Italy, China, and India depend critically on Iranian Exports. From WaPo 2006:
[Dated citation, but the strategy remains..]
LOL. The Moshpit of the Gangster State Thugs…just seein who can
get a grip on the religious, well oiled men from NoHomoLand….
Almost sounds like domestic politics here…..
I still think Cheney is going to cruise missile oil up above a $100 a barrel… Cheney would sell anybody down the river, so I think The Machiavelli on Crack move would be to engineer a limited incident :
*In which Russia gets to squeeze Europe over the winter
*Tehran gets the revenues with either a symbolic victory as the US declares limited objectives met perhaps with some negotiation on Nuke Prolif …
* The Cheney Task Force Cabal gets its money of course, while plopping the mess in Hillary’s Lap probably with a classified letter of notification sent in advance….God wouldn’t you love to be Rubin or one of the select, discreet Clintonites clued in the morning before the markets open?….
* All the while pandering to the flag wavers, the Holy Landers, the nuke em crowd —setting up a vow to be even more hawkish down the road….
hmm mmm ………… From The Note’s Sneak Peak:
FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC Genocide Apologist IRAQ WAR ENABLERS
FUUUUCK THIS…..
LINK
hmm mmm
Little Miss Genocide, Samantha Power is on with CRose. Selling Obama. LOL pretty sure she and Michelle butt heads. At the least.
She jsut loves Sarko and Kouchner, hmm all that strength. “France is now online”… Never met a “humanitarian intervention” they did not like. She says.
But we ”need Obama to end Iraq”.
Oh yeah right. She should wear a pair of pistols.
There si a second article at the Times… all about Bob Livingston, formerly in Congress from Louseyana.
Rather detailed, which the NYT can do when it wants…
He is the lobbyist with the mostest for Turkey.
Fuck Gephardt. Fuck Murtha. Fuck Pelosi. Fuck em all.
Oh and fuck Steve Clemons —came across HIS slop Looking for a link on that Rudy /Rose clip on (ABC) Note Went to Clemons Wash Note instead….. Clemon’ s recent posts gushing on one hand about Stoller’s slop then Michael Mustos all over himself about an oh so exclusive party at Bloomburg’s Margaret Carlson such shitty chilled pumpkin soup all of it…..I’m out after a good barf….Sorry for all of the upchucking….out..
Mark Penn, Hillary’s DLC pollster followed ‘Powers for Obama’ slobber.
He slobbered, she slobbered.
the country is bathed in a drooly vaseline.
Oh they will swear it is not a sex agent…
hmm. Don’t slip and fall in that slobber. Might catch something…
Re 111: Here’s an article that summarizes nicely everything I detest about Samantha Power:
LINK
Clemon si a rightie. I watched him waver a bit, take some chances in 2003.. but he pulled way back when Kerry caved. Veered right, and everyone tells him how wonderful he is…
Clemons used to keep some of his longer and older essays to the left side column. Not sure they are still htere…………. I read thru them all at one point.
Snide… and VERY snide about the WTO protests.
IIRC his father was CIA.
thanks SA for the link…
yes I have disliked her for years. obama hired her immediately he got ot DC.
Fool me once…
Must a perfectly good soup be denigrated for the scoring of political points against one’s rivals ? Shame on you both. I am sure that Power would never wear white boots after Labor Day when she was walking through puddles of human blood.
The Turks slow-motion move against Iraqi Kurdistan continues:
I don’t believe Turkey offcially admits to having any troops in Iraq (though in fact they do), so Bush’s statement seems to be yet one more verbal blunder. And as I look at this NY Times story, I see Boy George elaborating: “‘We are making it very clear to Turkey that we don’t think it is in their interests to send troops into Iraq,’ he said at a news conference. ‘Actually, they have troops already stationed in Iraq,’ he added. ‘We don’t think it’s in their interests to send more troops in.’”
Reminds me of how Reagan started babbling about something he’d been told by the CIA’s Nicaraguan station chief during one of the 1984 debates.
Also in the NYT is this story about the Armenian Genocide Resolution losing sponsors. It mentions that there are fears in official DC circles that the Turks won’t simply go after the PKK in Iraqi Kurdistan, but will head for Kirkuk, using the excuse that they’re protecting the area’s substantial Turkman population. Included are these words of courage from the always forthright John Murtha:
A couple of days ago, an acquaintance told me how an uncle of his, who’d been in the Marines during the Korean War, went to collect a small group of Chinese prisoners from a Turkish unit. When he got to their location, he was horrified to discover that they were all dead — the Turkish soldiers had crucified them. Not too hard to imagine the sort of things that will happen if this invasion takes place.
Not too hard to imagine the sort of things that will happen if this invasion takes place. As compared with what? The US invasion? We just do more of our killing in an antiseptic form from 30,000 feet in the air.
Have been saying for years that the US attachment to the Kurds would be problematical. They have been a thorn in the side of three countries, and the US has now fed them delusions of grandeur.
Is it so difficult to understand why Turkey is resistant to the genocide label for their slaughter and relocation of the Armenians? No different than labeling what this country did to the native Americans and African Americans. Or Belgium did in the Congo. All were genocides. The most thorough was probably the one we did to native tribes in this country because many of them were fully wiped out. At this time, Congress should deal with our ongoing destruction of Iraq. Stop it. The whole world needs to engage in a “peace and reconciliation” process. Selective application of labeling this or that massacre as genocide is hypocritical.
bush made war fashionable again among world leaders. prepare for more “unthinkables”
I just went to Walgreen’s to buy some cigs and the guy in front of me in line had a prosthetic leg, and I immediately thought “had he been to Iraq?”
Is it so difficult to understand why Turkey is resistant to the genocide label for their slaughter and relocation of the Armenians?
Yes, frankly.
I’m on Harold Pinter’s side in this one. Turkey is a military dictatorship with the trappings of democracy, and has — let’s not mince words — gleefully conducted genocidal campaigns against the Anatolian Greeks, Kurds, and Armenians during the last century. To so much as mention the Armenian genocide will get you a prison sentence in Turkey.
If you want to use other genocidal obscenties perpetrated by other countries to minimize the horror of Turkish ones past, present, and future, go ahead. My feeling is they should all be condemned, and don’t feel the need to dictate a laundry list every time I discuss it.
Speaking of obscene behavior and the horrifying consequences bound to result from such, here is Boy George’s response to the Slavic Al Capone’s “Keep Your Hands Off Iran” statement from yesterday:
BTW, I’m sure Mr. Ahmadinejad very forcefully lectured Putin on his Chechnyan policies, and the absence of any mention of this is certainly due to the MSM simply attempting to paint him in the worst possible light as part of the lead up to our attack on Iran.
And coming from someone as opposed to stem cell research as Bush is, this quote is rather bizarre: “The president nonetheless acknowledged American frustrations at trying to influence Russia. ‘In terms of whether or not it’s possible to reprogram the kind of basic Russian DNA, which is a centralized authority,’ Mr. Bush said, ‘that’s hard to do.’”
That’s why Jeralyn’s got the Blues:
Buy Me a Drink Day
By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Wed Oct 17, 2007 at 11:19:03 AM EST
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It’s only 10:00 a.m. here so I mean this tongue in cheek, but I could use a drink.
Now that my taxes are done and filed, I see that I spent $6,000.00 on TalkLeft last year in design, troubleshooting, hosting and subscription fees.
No reader has contributed to the site since July. Not one of the groups, tv networks or news magazines which send me mass emails every day advocating their causes and shows has ever sent a dime.”
I bet she’s also smarting that her personal tethered donkeytale (aravia) is neglecting her for nuttydogma’s site.
Big Toot’s latest political action cry:
Here’s my take – let’s act as if it is a real promise from Nancy Pelosi. Let’s praise and cheer her for standing up. Let’s tell her we have her back on this.
Why? Because it has a better chance of becoming true if we react to it in that way. And that is all that matters.”
http://tinyurl.com/383cg7
and the comet will take us away, too.
JJB #123 – not minimizing the brutality of the Turkish government or any other. Merely pointing out that to do so selectively, and fail even acknowledge the brutality of one’s own government, is a very bad foreign policy. That’s exactly what our government did to rationalize the invasion of Iraq. What it’s attempting to do wrt Iran. There is no shortage of countries that fail to honor human rights and torture their citizens. As Robert Fisk in “The Great War for Civilisation” points out, the Armenian genocide was reported in real time. Wilson even attempted to award the Armenians a republic which the Turks and Bolsheviks destroyed. Then there this: The Kurds, who had been among the cruellest perpetrators of the Armenian genocide… (p. 332) Just saying that it’s not as simple and straightforward as it’s being made out to be — genocide/holocaust without question — and the Turks should be held accountable but not while other countries are not held to the same standard. In Vietnam and Iraq alone, the US has killed at least twice as many people as the Turks did (yes, I know as a percentage of the total population, our acts weren’t as genocidal, but in what universe is it less horrific to kill 3 million people instead of 1 to one and a half million?
Vietnam and Iraq alone, the US has killed at least twice as many people as the Turks
I am no slouch when it comes to bashing the country of my birth, but, as horrible as Vietnam and Iraq were, the purprose of both was simple imperialism, not the destruction of entire peoples.
What the Turks did to the Armenians in the old Ottoman Empire was clear, destroy the entire Christian population of Turkey and take their land.
Iraq is getting there. I think “we” purposively destroyed the infastructure of the country and let nature take its course.
Vietnam was as bad but if the people who destroyed the Armenians in 1915 had had nukes, they just would have used them on Vietnam. “We” didn’t.
The Israelis are committing genocide in slow motion in Gaza. But it’s still slow motion.
Ironically, and it shows just what hypocrites the right are in this country, the two worse things a Muslim country’s ever done (Turkey and Indonesia in East Timor) are completely ignored, even covered up, because their governments are allies.
You want “Islamofascism”, fascism in Islamic countries, Enver Pasha and Suharto qualify. Yet you’ll never hear it from the LGF crowd or from Bush.
observe all the surgery it took for a woman to become squeaker of the House.
once, in a clothing store, where I looked but never purchased, in Santa Barbara, there was this woman from LA (established by eavesdropping on her conversation) that was so altered she looked like an entirely different species-fake boobs and hair and a 17 inch waist. and there’s that whole set of the southern climes that produces these brown alligators with platinum hair. If you had to create a pictorial shorthand for divorcee, they’d be the candidates.
Decent headfake by Obama but the question isn’t “did I think the war was right or wrong”.
It’s “do you want to immediately end the occupation of Iraq”.
So far I haven’t heard that from Obama. All I’ve heard is that he wants 100,000 more troops.
Turkey is a military dictatorship with the trappings of democracy, and has — let’s not mince words — gleefully conducted genocidal campaigns against the Anatolian Greeks, Kurds, and Armenians during the last century.
Last century?
In the 1990s the typical Turkish Kurd wanted to live under that mythical benevolent dicator Saddam. Iraq must have looked like the promised land. Get gassed a few times in the 80s than live under the protection of US air power? Where do I sign up?
What a minute. The 90s was the last century.
Nevermind…
just let
two out of moderation, JJB and Miss D…..
Sorry!
Off to check spam file.
Speaking of Samantha Power, she’s managed to get every single mainstream non political glossy magazine writer in her roladex.
If you only read explicitly political magazines you have no idea of the number of interviews she’s been able to score with well-intentioned people at magazines like GQ or Jane of Vogue or probably Popular Mechanics.
Seriously, even time I go to the gym too lazy to run on the treadmill and want to sit on an exercise bike and read a magazine instead I see some glossy magazine writer worshipping at the feet of Ms. Power and talking up her theories of genocide and her connection to the Obama campaign.
I guess it makes sense. Who’d you rather have lunch with, John McCain and Hitchens or Power and Obama. And I have to admit they’ve done their publicity work.
I have been horrified by S Powers from the get go. She always seemed the white academic apologist- and WORSE, the aspiring manufacturer of war.
They make a tidy pair, she and Obama. SHe had her ‘earnest’ self out last night and it was gagworthy.
She did pant a bit I thought tho for Kouchi in France.
They make a tidy pair, she and Obama. SHe had her ‘earnest’ self out last night and it was gagworthy.
And I keep coming back to Obama’s statement that he wants to expand the military by 100,000 troops.
It’s transparent. Strike an anti-war pose against Hillary without actually committing yourself to ending the occupation of Iraq. Talk about expanding the military by 100,000 people (and how they’re going to do that without a draft is baffling). Talk up “saving Darfur” in order to relegitimizing American interventionism.
Stay in Iraq then use those 100,000 extra troops to go after Venezuala or Iran.
Of course he’s not going to win the nomination this time.
FWIW -
I missed the Brouhahahaha earlier this summer when comments were closed because I didnt have an inet connection. I would only get to read shit a couple of times a week at the library. I thought Mcat did some of the best stuff when she was just blogging and not blogmistressing. Very notciable when you only have 30 minutes to see what the fuck is happening in the world
Speaking of annoying liberal intellectuals, anybody hear Krugman on Democracy Now.
It’s so clear what’s happening when you listen to him. He really believes the right is in a death spiral and the Democrats are going to get back into the White House in 2008.
So (and he doesn’t come right out with this) shut up on Iraq and the Patriot Act and don’t ruin all those real Kewl social programs we have planned for you.
Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzelez let him of easy too.
Of course he’s not going to win the nomination this time.
— HC
right, that is the problem, he’s got 20 years.
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just starting the transcript from Krugman appearance. Madman mentioned seeing him on Maher last week, with Tucker. And Krugman let Tucker walk all over him.
It gets so old.
As soon as it was clear a few years ago he was nothing more than a weak mouthpiece for the party, LOL on my personal shit list.
Mcat-I think your personal shitlist would shame Proust. not that it’s a bad thing.
Krugman is AWFUL in interviews. Even on Democracy Now in an incredibly friendly atmosphere he still wheezed and sighed and whined his way through the whole thing.
FWIW, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Tucker Carlson ambush the guy from Media Matters a few weeks ago about Media Matters being a Democratic shill organization.
Does that make me a bad person?
As soon as it was clear a few years ago he was nothing more than a weak mouthpiece for the party,
He actually lectured Juan Gonzalez on the perfect being the enemy of the good.
And he recommended Digby (although I can’t quite remember if it was in print or during the interview).
Look through the lib dem blogs today at all of the “right is dying and it’s inevitable posts.
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yes… everyone has mixed feelings about what I should do.
Pity is I like the threads. If I did not, it would be easy to drop them.
And of course Boyz always watching closely… so clear their proprietary intent if one ever posted at Dkos but, lawdy Mz Scarlet, consider one’s self independent.
Blogging is loaded iwth amusements.
HC #133 lunch with, John McCain and Hitchens or Power and Obama.
Shouldn’t that be John McCain and
(While McCain does not have an official team, he has said publicly that he consults with) Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, Robert Kagan, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger, William Kristol and Robert Zoellick. And lest we forget, lunch with Hillary and Albright?
Re: Turks and Armenians – not sure anyone but the Turks (and Kurds and Bolshviks?) deny the genocide. Why Armenians and why now and not the more recent slaughter in East Timor? Simple, certain members of Congress have a Christian Armenian constituency. So, let’s cut that crap that Congress with an 11% approval rating is taking this up at this time because of some burning ethical issue that needs resolution now.
HC #127 …if the people who destroyed the Armenians in 1915 had had nukes, they just would have used them on Vietnam. “We” didn’t. Forget the “we” – if the people that wiped out the native populations in this country had had nukes, they would have used them. If the Pentagon had had its way, the US would have used nukes in Korea and Vietnam. It was no joke in ’64 that Goldwater supporters did advocate nuking Vietnam. So, let’s not pat ourselves on the back too much or postulate something about another country that can never be known.
LOL The right is not dying. As anyone sane knows. Such clear targetted propaganda for the little zoo liberals.
It, the right, is funding BOTH sides of the BlagSnotosphere. BlahgLouts, BlahgSnarls and so on.
Blahgheelers as Madman calls them.
Just like the right funds DLC and NDN.
It could nto be more transparent.
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Initially I was glad when Raines brought him on at the NYT. Esp as a focus for him is the endless roll of boom and bust in economics.
But soon clear, just an academic mouth, a marrionette.
Re: Turks and Armenians – not sure anyone but the Turks (and Kurds and Bolshviks?) deny the genocide.
Actually Ellie Wiesel has worked for years to keep the Armenian genocide out of history in order not to risk Israel’s alliance with Turkey. Robert Fitch writes extensively on it in “The Great War for Civilization”.
Why Armenians and why now and not the more recent slaughter in East Timor?
The slaughter in East Timor was actually halted by activists in the west in the mid 90s. Morganthau (the American ambassador) wrote pretty eloquently about the Armenian genocide it in the NY Times while it was going on but there was no movement back home to stop it (and the US wouldn’t have been able to do it anyway).
Simple, certain members of Congress have a Christian Armenian constituency.
And the fact that their congress critters responded to their entirely legitimate and democratic input was overruled by Bush and the foreign policy establishment.
If the Pentagon had had its way, the US would have used nukes in Korea and Vietnam.
And Nixon wanted to in 1970 but the size of the anti-war protests stopped him.
East Timor was a great example of the American elite doing something good and the anti-Vietnam war movement the American mass doing something good.
There’s no need to bash that.
I think they sold the democratic forces in Turkey down the river by cancelling this resolution. The Turkish military has been under pressure by the EU for years and now they’ve been let off the hook.
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LOL I cannot stand Brock. part of that endless drift of R to the so called Dem side.
The socalled Dem Party is a nearly wholly owned subsidiary. Day in day out, I think the workings of politics cuts along idealogical rather than party lines.
And everyone for himherself. And do nothing for the people. Dems are allowed some rhetoric w/r/t “the peeeepuhl” as their so called base is still back a few decades.
The merge with and acquiesence to Arnold out here is the loud signal. Absolutely disgusting.
I think our personal era is the complete merging of the parties. A strange mix of people at the top with backers and bases of power.
About it.
Yes, HC, you are bad. Very bad.
But I personally am just fine with that. Here, have some tangerines. It’s all I had time to pack for lunch today.
LOL I cannot stand Brock. part of that endless drift of R to the so called Dem side.
Krugman actually was going on about that for awhile. He sighed and wheezed and figited through the whole thing and acted concerned about the fact that so many big investment bankers were donors to the Democratic Party but there was also a vague sense that he was happy that half the Bush pioneers from 2004 are now Democrats.
Arnold’s milking the green thing, so we can all forget he used his Hummer to get elected in the first place. And the sickening thing is he has Hollywood Dems captured in mutual masturbation.
Who is this idiot on the Tucker Carlson show talking about how “liberals and feminists” came up with the idea that Civil Rights legislation lost the South for the Democrats?
Um, it was Lyndon Johnson who said that..
I thinl but for a few pockets here and there, we have become Florida.
Not sure people noticed in the Great BrouHahahaha… but the lead atty for Bush in Bush v Gore in Fl, Barry Richards, ws a Democrat.
Kind of sums it up. It seems to me that the time of the likes of Larry Tribe are long past – he has certainly outlived any chance for the SC, obviously. More an era of Boies (he and C Rose own a flat togehter in Paris, I guess they stagger their vistis), far slipperier. If that is a word, if not make it one, it defines the Democrats.
Slipperier than thou.
Bush today talks back to Putin raises WWIII rhetoric—-
Bush evidently has had his nook-yuler testicles twisted a bit…
What a blithering fool we have speaking of World War III….
Tweety tonight was aghast about Bush’s off the cuff remarks – ( Bullshit BTW- a calculated money quote) Matthews said anyone knows WWIII rhetoric means nuclear ICBM exchange with Russia. The CW. How quaint. We have warheads and fissile material unnacounted for HERE and the Russians or anybody else would need to use rocket fuel for delivery? Laughable. My point is the Cold War notions of Armegeddon may play well in Peoria but massive nuclear exchange would be merciful compared to the infrastructure disruption and biowarfare that could be unleashed on our twinky asses.
Its all kabuki. TO THEM. Just as we have Fall Down Dems as part and parcel to the Unitary Government, since World War II, the elites in this country HAVE BENEFITTED from the “better luck next time, Rambo” shtick that leaves the tax paying working class pulverized economically and politically as a consequence….
…Constantly over booking fights, promoting others that needn’t be fought, all for a Payday..Never a personal engagement as the brain damage and death in the ring goes to others. Everything about these gigs are fully insured losses: the stampede to get out as the arena burns down all passed down, underwritten, and indemnified by the communities foolish enough to pay for their Coliseums….
Oh and by this:
…Constantly over booking fights, promoting others that needn’t be fought, all for a Payday..Never a personal engagement as the brain damage and death in the ring goes to others. Everything about these gigs are fully insured losses: the stampede to get out as the arena burns down all passed down, underwritten, and indemnified by the communities foolish enough to pay for their Coliseums….
I Wasn’t talking about PFF Buhdydrama or Kos Media…..
LOL….In this instance
Speaking of Putin, will someone please check John McCain into a nursing home.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iwEn72OQFZYSctTcpvYkBfeJgToQD8SB6QCO0
Playing off Bush’s claim to have looked into Putin’s soul, McCain said this week: “I looked into Mr. Putin’s eyes and I saw three things: a K and a G and a B.” It was a reference to Putin’s career in his country’s intelligence agency.
Maybe these guys really do want to let the missiles fly with the Russians and bring on THE RAPTURE.
I will refrain from building off Miss D’s comment# 151 which contained the words : “milking” “green thing” “Hummer” and “mutual masturbation.”
I am above it.
Putin’s eyes-the new ouija board. Next: political phrenology.
Next: political phrenology
Just leave the wandering hands on the camel camel out of this.
I know I can say that again.
HC #147 And the fact that their congress critters responded to their entirely legitimate and democratic input…
Legitimate? Why do we have any ethnic group of Americans lobbying our government to act in the foreign arena on their special interests that have nothing to do with American interests? Is it okay for Iranian-Americans to pressure our government to take down the government of Iran? AIPAC, INC? How about the Hmong pushing to restore their rights in Laos? We could go on and on. We cannot and should not try to be some sort of international watchdog based on the interests of select groups. As we can’t possibly address every major issue of human rights abuse in the world, to act selectively only puts us in the same box that you’re all bitching about in regard to Powers.
Absent a single international standard that the world community is prepared to worth together in addressing human rights abuse when they surface, all we do is make things worse or anger one group or another. Does the left or anyone in the US bitch about the US refusal to join the UN peacekeepers in Bosnia in the early nineties when Sarajevo was under siege? Nope. Was the situation between Serbia and Kosovo worse? I have no idea. Did we get it backwards? Should we have stayed out entirely? I don’t know. Mostly we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
As for Elie Wiesel and Turkey, again, I don’t know. But I do know that he and others have a lot invested in the notion that only the Jews have experienced a holocaust and aren’t too keen on using the word “genocide” for the slaughter of any other ethnic group.
On East Timor – there were no governments, or even the Catholic Church, speaking out against the slaughter there. If “American elite” changed the dynamic there, good for them — but odd that they’ve not been similarly effective in stopping our own government from war and killing. As for Nixon and nukes in Vietnam, the anti-war activists weren’t strong enough to have stopped Nixon from doing anything. The rejection of Goldwater in ’64, a sense of the nation on the question of nukes, was a much stronger brake on Nixon than a bunch of anti-war people. Maybe the country turned a corner with the Cuban Missile Crisis – at least for those living in that era. We may have regressed since then and can only hope that if we have, that a majority are still opposed to the use of nukes. Unfortunately, there would not be much outrage if we dropped a few of those FOABs which are no less deadly than the two nukes we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
BHHM-you are going to turn me into the kind of person who calls anon numbers from phone booths and asks the answerers if they will talk to me about camels.
HC #156 Maybe these guys really do want to let the missiles fly with the Russians and bring on THE RAPTURE. Naw, they aren’t suicidal – nor do they believe in the rapture. But they desperately miss the Cold War and really wanted to have the opportunity to win it in a hot war. They want an enemy that they think they understand and not one like those in the ME that befuddle them. Plus in their twisted world, if Russia weren’t around, they could kick ME butt and then take on the big Kahuna in China. Then the whole world would be ours, ours, ours.
>:-(
On the whole “genocide” thing …
Self-righteous pandering is wrong when politicians engage in empty kow-towing to former Batista toadies in S. FL (let alone continue a dangerous and unjust regime of sanctions). It’s wrong now.
They’re putting on this angry Punch and Judy show to pander and scoop up easy campaign donations, and perhaps nurse some anti-muslim prejudices as well.
This is not to say that the terrible crime done to the Armenians wasn’t a terrible crime, but as someone who is sick of seeing our domestic politics warped in terrible ways to service the outrage of Zionists and Cubans it would be hypocritical for me to be somehow think this one was good while those others I oppose aren’t.
Empty resolutions serve nothing. They are the political equivalent of condemning homosexuality from the pulpit then stopping for some hot rough trade at the Motel 6 on the way home, and you know it’s the politicians with the greased up latex-coated fists.
Moral suasion has to start at home, with one’s own house. Mote, eye, et cetera.
In a country which was grown in soil fertilized by indigenous and black flayed, torn flesh, tears and blood, we are no different now from the old Soviets wagging their fingers at US over our STILL-horribly neglected reservations.
Someone mentioned a global “truth and reconcilliation” movement. Here hear!!!
I’ll be moved by the US Congress when they pass a just settlement to the Indian Trust suit. I’ll be moved when we develop some way to make reparations for slavery. I’ll be moved when we stop illegally invading and occupying foreign counties, and when we stop slaughtering their inhabitants. I’ll be moved when we’re no longer the biggest arms dealers in the world. I’ll be moved when we’ve reformed our prison industrial complex, and when we’ve stopped the nigh-genocidal attack on the black male. I’ll be moved when our police forces aren’t unrestrained paramilitiaries, and I’ll be moved when we’ve stopped shamefully allowing children to go without food, shelter or healthcare. I’ll be moved when we reestablish habeas corpus, and when we’ve stopped torturing people, in our civilian, miltary and clandestine prisons.
We’ve no right to wag our fingers when it is our weapons, our petro-gluttony, our belligerant foreign policy that is responsible for so much hate and bloodshed.
We’ve no right, and should be ashamed that our political ruling class only talk about human rights when they can use it to score easy political points, when they treat it as though it’s something they can pick up and drop like the proverbial hot potato when they feel they can.
well look at all the hoopla over the Dalai Lama. All for show, for politics, for international pressure against China.
Look good to some, bad to others.
And hey, he will stand iwth a global killer. No prob. Just hearing snips of his speech with Bush at his shoulder. Some scum about freedom.
Sick of them all.
The DL comes here a lot, hardly a novelty. Well in politicallly in SF too.
exactly Mcat. Where are his strong statements about the lack of compassion shown by our gov’t to other human beings, both here and abroad? Why so thrilled to accept our blood-soaked medal?
Tired of pantomimes and fake activism and faux humanitarianism.
and being “well in” in SF means well in with Diane Feinstein, the consort Blum – and The Shepherdess.
Congress honored the DL as well.
MitM #164 – thank you – you said it much better than I did. Saw the DL once, back before he began consorting so openly with killers. Can’t report that it was a moving experience or that I felt as if I were in the presence of an enlightened and spiritual being. If not for his title, it wouldn’t have been a memorable event.
More overstepping of personal privacy and property in the name of security.
I will admit that THIS one little sentence made me smile:
I could wait forever, personally.
That being said, I hope he gets his hard drive back.
Thanks Marie.
Marisa #153 – I remember Barry Richards at the time and a friend who had some inside information told be that he just went with the highest bidder. Litigator first and personal political positions way down on his list. It was absolutely the wrong sort of case for Boies – he needs lots of lead time. This was a gunslinger’s case.
#162 –LOL Miss D. BHHM-you are going to turn me into the kind of person who calls anon numbers from phone booths and asks the answerers if they will talk to me about camels.
When I started out I worked off a script:
Most call recipients dig it.
Numbers Tricks Mask Declining Wages and Rising Inequality
Israel, Hezbollah and Gulf Monarchies Preparing for the Possibility of Strikes in Iran
Face-Off: Airbrushing Accountability in the Terror War
Welcome back, Marisa – l agree with SA re not realizing how much I appreciate this site …. hope you had a good weekend.
Someone mentioned a global “truth and reconcilliation” movement. Here hear!!!
Yes, the world needs something like that. And the last people to be pointing fingers anywhere right now, is this country with the ongoing horrors in Iraq and torture and rendition chugging along, uninterrupted as far as we know. The world must laugh when they hear Bush talk of human rights.
Re Turkey, nothing ever came of Abramoff/Hastert’s involvement with Turkey, bribes or whatever.
Speaking of Abramoff, the trial in Florida for the murder of his business associate (forgotten his name now) has received no coverage. I was trying to follow that for a while as it had many interesting connections beyond the murder itself. Don’t know if it was adjourned or went ahead.
Then, what happened to Hookergate? So many tied into that also. Not to mention where it led re why some in Congress supported the Iraq war in the first place.
A friend called me yesterday and said her brother had signed up to go to Iraq because he felt obligate, as he has been training soldiers who go there. He’s older and career military, (close to 40 I think). He has two children. I did not know what to say to her. She knows how I feel about all this.
The Democrats’ Romneycare
On East Timor – there were no governments, or even the Catholic Church, speaking out against the slaughter there. If “American elite” changed the dynamic there, good for them
By elite I mean Noam Chomsky and the intellectuals working with Feingold and Barney Frank. It’s reallyt the model of a relatively small, elite activist movement that was able to do a lot to affect American foreign policy.
Legitimate? Why do we have any ethnic group of Americans lobbying our government to act in the foreign arena on their special interests that have nothing to do with American interests?
Well, it really *is* in American interests to help the democratic forces in Turkey push their government into acknowledging what happened to the Armenians. It’s almost as much of a litmus test in Turkey as the Israel/Palestine issue is in the United States. But, in the United States, you get slimed for acknowledging the “Nakba”. And while percetion is carefully manipulated to keep most Americans in denial about the native Americans or about slavery, it’s not illegal to talk about either.
In Turkey, you can get put in jail or killed for acknowledging what happened to the Armenians. Look what happened. “We” supposedly went into Iraq to bring the Iraqis democracy. Now our presence in Iraq has derailed an issue that the EU and liberals in Turkey have been working on for the past two decades because Bush doesn’t want to piss off the Turkish military. The Armenians are also regularly excluded from Holocaust and genocide studies conferences because it’s in some peoples’ political interests to do so.
Robert Fisk is really the best source on all of it.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/articles583.htm
But now for the bright lights. A group of “righteous Turks” are challenging their government’s dishonest account of the 1915 genocide: Ahmet Insel, Baskin Oran, Halil Berktay, Hrant Dink, Ragip Zarakolu and others claim that the “democratic process” in Turkey wil “chip away at the darkness” and they seek help from Armenians in doing so. Yet even they will refer only to the 1915 “disaster”, the “tragedy”, and the “agony” of the Armenians. Dr Fatma Gocek of the University of Michigan is among the bravest of those Turkish-born academics who are fighting to confront the Ottoman Empire’s terror against the Armenians. Yet she, too, objects to the use of the word genocide – though she acknowledges its accuracy – on the grounds that it has become “politicised” and thus hinders research.
177-thanks for the link. wish the paine and scruggs would drop by more often.
BTW, and just because I’d like to see the US Congress put pressure on the Turks doesn’t mean I don’t want to see other holocausts ignored.
For example, I’d love to see more Americans find out about how MacCarthur declined to prosecute the leaders of Unit 731 because he wanted to keep the research the Japanese did on the Chinese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
The Japanese are in heavy, heavy denial about what they did to the Chinese and this denial is a big part of what keeps them locked into their own authoritarian culture and politics.
Acknowleding it would liberate them as well.
The Japanese are in heavy, heavy denial about what they did to the Chinese — HC
Yeah, SF Chinatown has never forgotten…
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..doesn’t mean I don’t want to see other holocausts ignored… — HC
… don’t worry, it did nto seem that way…
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I’m not sure why people I agree with on so many things have such a different view on this than I do.
This isn’t about Americans pompously lecturing another country about their own crimes. In fact, Americans have been pretty late getting into the issue. It’s been huge in Europe and among Turkish dissidents for years.
Maybe this resolution was heavy handed but it seems to me that the idea that it’s going to be blocked by American imperial interests in Iraq seems grotesque.
It’s almost as if we had blocked the Germans from coming to terms with the Holocaust because we needed their help in the Cold War.
That *did* happen to some extent but the Germans are really a model of a culture that did come to terms with its past.
I guess I spoke too soon.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071017/ap_on_re_eu/germany_nazi_era
We disagree b/c I know they are hypocritical enablers of murder, and they are doing this not for the right reasons, but for crass political gain, and as soon as the political calculation turns against them they will dump the Armenians like yesterday’s Congressional page.
Official American outrage is selective, and almost ALWAYS driven by some underlying calculation. This is not to say that there aren’t a few for whom this is a sincere cause, but most of them are so corrupt that it makes it makes even a good cause empty.
We should clean our own house first before we wag our fingers at others.
Gosh Madman, I’m having trouble keeping up with all your links.
Re #174: The article you link to refers to a french expert… I hope it’s not Alexis Debat.
In any case, I’d be very very surprised if the Iran attack doesn’t happen within the next year. But I’ve given up trying to predict it. Despite our being very much on alert for this event, I think when it happens and how it happens will catch us all by surprise.
183-ugh. but one would have to distinguish between valuing motherhood per se and viewing mothers as Aryan spawners.
Official American outrage is selective
Official outrage usually is. Every Russian school kid during the Cold War learned all about Jim Crow and slavery.
My two favorite crimes against humanity *rarely* get discussed because they were the product of free market capitalism.
1.) The Irish in 1848. Lord Russell actually stopped food shipments to the Irish because he thought it was interfering with the free market. Better a few million Irish die. Hmm. I bet Ron Paul would have been with Russell on this one.
2.) The trenches on the Western front from 1914-1918. This whole thing was really one big concentration camp. Stanley Kubrick’s Paths of Glory captures it perfectly. And you can’t talk about Lenin’s “crimes” without also talking about the fact that the only reason Lenin became a world historical figure was because the Social Democrats sold out and supported the war. People who condemn Lenin seem to have no problem with the Czar continuing to send Russian peasants west as canon fodder for the Germans to sharpen up their artillary skills on.
BTW, Samantha Power is Irish. I wonder what she has to say about the Irish famine as “genocide”.
I just throw out what I stumble across. Even the lies pushed out there color in the background … even propaganda provides a negative outline when it tries to steer you away from the truth. Sift it all in, look for patterns.
I found some of the stuff about the Arab states interesting, that’s all.
well, if it’s possible to say that one historical horror is a “favorite”, I’d say the systematic destruction of literally thousands of cultures and the humans therein all through the western hemisphere by god, guns and germs, systematically, methodically and all supposedly as deity-given destiny.
Personally, though, I find the entire dance of competing horrors to be counterproductive … outrage at a particular injustice is nursed through generations by the injured group (if any of them are still around), to fester and grow and spread and become the next round of outrages. The zionists fuel their ongoing crimes now with the distillate of what happened to their real or adopted grandparents and great-grandparents. The various groups in the Balkins trade back and forth stories of generations of crimes that they fist over and back like some macabre vollyball.
Humans commit outrages to other humans, led by venal, greedy monsters who use one pretext or another to feed their own rapacious needs, whether economic or merely sociopathic.
All the crimes are outrageous, and the only way out of the cycle is to tell the stories, for everyone to OWN the stories, and for everyone to admit that no one outrageous ethnic, national or religious crimes is any greater or lesser than the next. Murder is murder … no matter what fancy legal concept you want to wrap it in to elevate one pile of corpses over another.
Personally, though, I find the entire dance of competing horrors to be counterproductive
Ah, but think about how much slower Kennedy and Johnson would have been to swing over to supporting Civil Rights had the hypocritical Soviets not been constantly talking up the idea of American racism in Africa.
We do see racism everywhere, because it is everywhere
Off to bed, everybody … good night.
MitM #190 – agree
HC Now our presence in Iraq has derailed an issue that the EU and liberals in Turkey have been working on for the past two decades…
Right now Turkey is becoming less secular and the Muslim religious forces in politics are on the rise. I don’t know if this trend began before the US invaded Iraq, but it can’t have helped. Nor can it have helped that the EU has not been effective in resolving real, ongoing, current human rights issues with Turkey to clear the way for their admittance into the EU. Does focusing on a 90 year old genocide that happened before the existence of the current state of Turkey really help? Will that build bridges between Turkey and European countries and the US?
I’m not unaware of the crime of insulting Turkishness. But I hardly think in this era of US crimes against the citizens in this country and around the world, that we have any business pointing fingers at 90 year old crimes in the former Ottoman Empire. As I said earlier, when the world or a large portion of it is ready for a period of truth and reconciliation then maybe Turkey will join in. Comparing Turkey today to Germany in the aftermath of WWII is not helpful. Although at the end of WWI, the Ottoman Empire was chopped up. (btw I did read all 1000+ pages of Fisk’s “Great War for Civilization” – 1000+ pages of unrelenting cruelty, torture and murder.)
Yes, we can talk about slavery, racism and the genocide of Indian tribes. And what good has that done us when our schools remain more segregated than ever and we abandon the people flooded out of their homes in New Orleans? When we can’t even freakin account for and pay the land lease fees due the native tribes who live in poverty? Symbolic lip service for past sins/crimes don’t carry much weight with me.
an issue that the EU and liberals in Turkey have been working on for the past two decades because Bush doesn’t want to piss off the Turkish military. — HC
Isn’t thee also a problem in that Turkey feels its hopes for entrance into the EU are at best currently stymied?
I also noted that the now lobbyist Gephardt (nto anyone I ever cared for) has also changed sides on a resolution, from when he was in congress.
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Speaking of S Powers as Irish. ugh… very true. I had meant to catch the C Rose repeat today as I had missed the first 10 minutes of her last night.
Marisa #195 Isn’t thee also a problem in that Turkey feels its hopes for entrance into the EU are at best currently stymied? Yes. Has been that way for decades. Sitting at the crossroads between east and west can’t be easy for them. One day they choose the west and the next day the east. Don’t think they’ve resolved the issue of Cyprus. Now the Kurds are re-energized. Might have been better to admit Turkey to the EU a decade or so ago and given them deadlines to correct certain things. That way they would know what they would lose. As it is, many Turks don’t know that there is anything to be gained by being in the EU.
Re: Gephardt just another whore. Although we do have to remember that Turkey has been a US ally since late in WWII.
Kissinger, Powers or Albright? If there’s no difference in their policies, I’m going to have to go with the one that’s easiest on the eyes and ears because he/she will be one of those TV fixtures for the next four years.
right Marie… but a lot tougher now with Sarko. he is not interested in Turkey in the EU, made it clear a thousand times.
OK: the Turkish border issues/war officially made it to my local evening News at 11 pm on NBC affiliate.
Marisa #197 – Sarko is a racist pig – so, of course he wouldn’t want to consider Turkey in the EU. There is a large immigrant population from Turkey in Europe, particularly Germany iirc. That immigrant flow could be alleviated if Turkey were in the EU. Of course our neo-liberal version of the EU created the opposite problem.
Yes and violence against Turks in Germany has been growing…
I don’t see that flow alleviated tho if Turkey entered the EU (which is moot anyway right now). The free flow is what has accelerated immigration, work migration from the newly (this and last decade) expanded E border of the EU.
This last election for France is the first where ex-pats were allowed to vote. They voted in Israel, they voted in San Francisco (waited round the block at the Alliance Francaise here). I have not seen hard number breakdowns but think that greatly assisted putting Sarko in.
The French who voted for him knew what they got… So Bonne Chance! Sadly Royal ws a mess.
Hopefully a twist of the screw coming with.Denny Hastert’s early “resignation”…
new thread:
LINK
Madman @ 192
The Health Risks of Racism
And instead of mitigating any of these health-related stressors, Bush gives us yet another holy-rolling ideologue as family planning czarina at HHS.
well last go round they ran a self funding millionair against hastert… one who refused to campaign. I am sure that as part of the agreement.
And again, IIRC, the self funder non campaigner ws also a former R.
LOL Maybe now the Dems will just shove the non campaigner self funder former R into the old Hastert seat…
and if Sibel Edmonds is right, that hastert got suitcases of Afghani dope money delivered to him.. [her words: "to his doorstep"] my guess is the Dems now get to divvy up the dope cash.
personally, i’m for reading everyone the riot act for these sorts of crimes, so long as you’re pointing the finger at one’s own nation’s crimes at the same time. which few do, generally.
the tragedy in the fingerpointing genocide-off (well, other than the genocides themselves, of course) is that so few people take the opportunity that they afford to recognize themselves and their common humanity in both the victims and perpetrators. it’s such a human constant, on both sides of the bloody process, and yet empathy and reflection are near unheard of reactions to reading about massacres and the like.
one of the things that most impressed me about thich nhat hanh, really.