Here a border, there a border… what’s a little invasion between friends? 24 October 2007
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, California / Pacific Coast, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, SCOTUS, WAR!.trackback
TAKING POSITIONS: Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) rebels storm a hilltop during military exercises in the mountains of northern Iraq’s Kurdish autonomous region in this 2006 file photo. [hindu.com]
Both bay and moiv posted this to the previous thread, within a minute or so of each other:
Russia’s Novosti says the Turks have crossed the border.
ANKARA, October 24 (RIA Novosti) – Units of the Turkish army have crossed the Iraqi border in a special operation against Kurdish militants, local newspapers said Wednesday.
The Yeni Safak newspaper reported that Turkish commandos supported by helicopters were chasing militants from the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), and F-16 Falcon fighter-bombers and artillery were delivering pinpoint strikes at militant bases about 50 kilometers (30 miles) deep into the Iraqi territory.
Zaman, Turkey’s third largest newspaper, said the Turkish Armed Forces had stepped up their bombardment of the Iraqi border as part of an operation launched in retaliation for Sunday’s terrorist attack that killed 12 soldiers and wounded 16 others.
The newspaper cited a government spokesman as saying that the U.S. had been informed about the start of the cross-border operation, although Turkey’s military has not confirmed the media reports.
The Turkish parliament sanctioned last week military cross-border operations against the PKK, based in north Iraq, following an earlier government request. The PKK says it is currently holding several Turkish soldiers hostage.
Turkey’s military said on Monday that eight military personnel were missing following clashes with Kurdish fighters on the Iraqi border, 34 Kurds and at least 12 Turkish servicemen were killed last Sunday in an ambush by Kurdish militants.
Turkey’s National Security Council is meeting Wednesday to discuss further action against the PKK insurgents and the reaction of the U.S. and neighboring countries on the Turkish incursion into northern Iraq.
The PKK, listed by the U.S., NATO and the EU as a terrorist organization, has been fighting for autonomy status in southeast Turkey for nearly 25 years. The conflict has so far claimed about 40,000 lives. [snip]
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Other than that, Toobin is on with Charlie Rose, saying Hillary will put Obama on the SC.... frankly it seems nearly immaterial to me, by now. Probably convinced a listener or two of the Rose show to give her another look.
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BHHM posted that his ISP Comcast is beginning to “mediate bandwidth” for overseas access, then posted this:
October 19th, 2007
EFF tests agree with AP: Comcast is forging packets to interfere with user traffic
Posted by Seth SchoenThis morning the Associated Press reported that Comcast is interfering with users’ ability to run file sharing applications over its network.
Since we spoke to Comcast last month and understood them to deny that they are doing this, we’ve been running our own tests.
The results of our tests have agreed with AP’s. Comcast is forging TCP RST packets which cause connections to drop (a technique also used by Internet censorship systems in China). These packets cause software at both ends to believe, mistakenly, that the software on the other side doesn’t want to continue communicating.
BHHM provided some additional links as well:
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UPDATE, 5:54 am
Day 3, Tuesday, of the fire:
Horses move restlessly as a fire approaches on Palomar Mountain in San Diego County. (Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times / October 23, 2007)
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A rabbit runs for shelter from theapproaching flames of the Ranch Fire near Lake Piru. (Michael Robinson Chavez / Los Angeles Times / October 23, 2007)
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UPDATE, 6:18 pm – still hot in San Francisco…….
Calvin Culbertson, a maintenance worker, surveys the damage to a trailer that melted on the Rincon Indian Reservation. (Brian Vander Brug / Los Angeles Times / October 24, 2007)
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Marisacat 
I can say that the Novosti link sails through here. The links posted in Moiv’s comment seem to be going through a very crowded hash bar though…stateside as well as overseas.
yenisafak.com, turkish language news link
todayszaman.com
Not a wonder givn the language of the latter link
Whoa Buddy
or is that
Cheney is Nice Man
From AFP
Sorry, posted in wrong place back of last thread…
God … what can you do. Guiliani out and about with his old friend, an accused child molester – and a priest, of course.
Other than that, Toobin is on with Charlie Rose, saying Hillary will put Obama on the SC….
Doesn’t Obama’s assocation with a known homophobe like Donny McLurkin disqualify him from sitting on the Supreme Court?
Or does it only disqualify him from being president?
well I consider it, Obama to the SC, immaterial, as I said.
I’m only noting that if it is indeed Hillary’s campaign that’s pushing the Donny McKlurkin angle it would be poetic justice if it came back to smack her in the face when she puts up his name for the Supreme Court.
Personally I’d rather see a Dem put Feingold up for the Supreme Court if they take the White House back again. He’s not much use in the Senate any more and he does have a decent record on Civil Liberties. He’s also one of the club so he’d probably go through the confirmation process easily enough.
Frankly I m just at the end with so called “stupid” mistakes.
Obama should not be wanting to send this message.. and touring with some “cured” gay does send a message. As does wallowing in Hsu money.
I always tag these shits as purposeful, whether Obama- Rama or Hillary or any of them.
a longtime friend of Giuliani and the priest who officiated at his second wedding to Donna Hanover
Why is it that the first thought that occurs to me is “maybe there is another reason his children hate his guts”?
Obama should not be wanting to send this message.. and touring with some “cured” gay does send a message
Yep but it only sends a message became Obama and all the other Democrats except Gravel are wishy washy and unclear on where they stand on gay rights. Obama could clear this up right now by coming out for gay marriage. And Hillary and Edwards could make this possible by promising not to exploit it and use it to label him “unelectable”.
Oh well, time to go into the city. Where did I put that Internal American Passport to go through the Lincoln Tunnel….
Tucked in at the end of a piece on Bush’s comment about WW3, Nader moves on to the feckless Donks:
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thought I heard a big and bold statement from Kuc, at the q and a with Etheridge and other reps from teh gay community.
As for Obama, Edwards and Hillary, well I am sure Gilroy and FLH and other chumps are dead on. They are all hard core lefties. Jsut faking it to get elected.
These are not decent people. Zapatero in Spain is a decent man. I have posted his speech, from the day he opened marriage to all couples. It was to weep over.
Decent people in politics: WE DON”T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE.
Jonathan Turley on the Mukasey testimony. The Dems score again. Duh.
Mcat #12
WE DON”T HAVE DECENT PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ANYMORE.
A nation a sheep. A nation of
willfully.
ignorant.
sheep.
Boomers , x-ers — doesn’t matter. Swept away with hardly a bleat heard above the mouthful of onion dip. None the wiser either, till the taser prod hits them…or not.
Most intuitively know there will be no physical shock and you know what?? They’re probably right. Seeing the taser vids is enough Pavlovian conditioning to keep everybody in line. They’ll labor on – those fewer and fewer needed still will labor on, shocked only at the disparity between their income and their ability to keep up with their debt. Perhaps the cruelest shock of all is the one needed but never received, the 50, 60, coupla hundred grand one for a pacemaker slow walked by insurers for the surgically viable yet profitably inconvenient.
Maybe a life built on willful ignorance is its own reward, that ignorance of cruelty, that avoidance of shock and the necessity for extreme measures: Self actualizing simply as one consumptive tube from pie hole to anus.
Eventually, There may be regulation “necessary” to maintain the profitable derivative and futures markets already wagered on the aggregate quantity, length, and life spans of these poop shoots, yours and mine, as they are now in the actuarial tables figured in to every retirement, annuity, and wealth enhancing “subsistence” program. Think of it: your bowels as nothing more than a speculative venture to see how much dehumanizing shit you can ingest psychologically and politically before your marginal need for engineered, higher margin foodstuffs is exhausted.
As part of this devolution this is why I think abortion will not be made illegal in this country. The strictures will continue…But Choice? Sheeeyat. It’s going, going, ….Unavailabe will be the Newspeak in select areas….
Reproductive Rights are going to be subsumed under “States Rights” gerrymandered like politics to business interests…Some very dark days ahead, packaged as “reasonable accomodation’. As Always…..
I may post this in the sewer before catching the last McFuckMe Breakfast before they stop serving at 11….
On second thought, thought yes- that forcible ecxercise most often lost among so much of my rote existence — I have bread, eggs cinnamon and milk.I’ll make french toast at home , then linger at the Cafe that feeds my mind…
Correction re choice: “Unavailable” IS the Newspeak NOW. It is dancing around like fire on the dry grassy plains. What makes anyone believe their own currently well watered enclaves are safe from shifting winds?…
Didn’t we give Saddum biological weapons to take care of those pesty kurds?
What are we going to do now? After all….they have oil.
Turmoil in the middle east….higher oil prices and pressure to open up the Alaskan Wildlife Refugee.
No official word yet regarding possible Turkish invasion, but the NYT has the Turks bombing targets very close to the border, and apparently just beyond.
The Guardian has the Turkish planes attacking sites inside Iraqi Kurdistan, and some 300 Turkish soldiers (Special Forces types, presumably) fighting on the ground across the border.
Meanwhile, George Bush has decided that he has a veto over the sort of regime the Cubans should have if Castro dies while he’s still president.
I guess there must be some good news, but I can’t imagine what it might be.
“A nation a sheep”
LOL, no sadly, not sheep. Too many lust for empire and wash their hands with the greenest, scented softsoap. WooHoo, we’re number one and all that shit.
BTW, Ms Cat, amazing pics (as always) and still riding the google stream on the Ickes business. The key word, you provided, was “data mining”. 😎
BHHM – where are you looking to set yourself up? Especially in light of 2 things in the last thread [ISP filtering & getting a ‘hall pass’ to fly anywhere] I think I should really start looking myself. Maybe I should look more into Ezekiel’s thing. Problem is, if I can’t make a living as a musician, how would I live? I don’t speak Serbo-Croatian, so a white collar job would prolly not be an option despite my white collar skill set. Bartending would be out too – my skin can’t take that much soapy water exposure… hm…
Lucid, I’ll e you rather than thread gorge. I’m outta the loop re Ezekiel …E -ing you in a bit…
as if! unclear wording isn’t the problem here. and a more “explicit” clarification won’t do jack shit. congress has abandoned their constitutional responsibilities and are equally as derelict in their duty to serve the american people as bush is.
even without an “explicit declaration”, congress is funding and refunding the war. that in itself stands as a de-facto validation of the presidential misadventure by the invertebrate congressional pugs and donks.
besides, i don’t see bush having any problem at all getting a declaration of war if he wanted one. he could have it on his desk the day before the congressional thanksgiving break.
BHHM
I sent you ezekiel’s particulars.
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glad you caught my reply with the google link, I had meant to email it to you to be sure…
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one thing is certain. We will be selling people out. And causing death and destruction.
We must be god’s messenger, why bother to worry about satan. Let us credit him who we invoke in battle.
The local press is getting feisty.
Click on the link and look at the cartoon.
http://blog.nj.com/njv_shenemans_sketchpad/2007/10/no_means_yes.html
If I were Bush, I’d keep making increasingly outrageous demands from congress to see if they have the ability to say no. Like next week he could ask for a pony, then demand a monster truck and a hot tub full of oatmeal.
Bush should just ask for a “new toy”. I mean, that is where we are. He sends a note to congress to show he still knows they are there, they fuss, fuss, squeal and moan, then do whatever.
As if it mattered.
I see the congress took a hard line in children of illegals.
What else is new.
We must be god’s messenger, why bother to worry about satan.
What God wants God gets God help us all
What God wants God gets
The kid in the corner looked at the priest
And fingered his pale blue Japanese guitar
The priest said
God wants goodness
God wants light
God wants mayhem
God wants a clean fight
What God wants God gets
Don’t look so surprised
It’s only dogma
The alien prophet cried
The beetle and the springbok
Took the bible from its hook
The monkey in the corner
Wrote the lesson in his book
What God wants God gets God help us all
God wants peace
God wants war
God wants famine
God wants chain stories
What God wants God gets
God wants sedition
God wants sex
God wants freedom
God wants semtex
What God wants God gets
Don’t look so surprised
I’m only joking
The alien comic cried
The jackass and hyena
Took the feather from its book
The monkey in the corner
Wrote the joke down his book
What God wants God gets
God wants boarders
God wants crack
God wants rainfall
God wants wetbacks
What God wants God gets
God wants voodoo
God wants shrines
God wants law
God wants organised crime
God wants crusade
God wants jihad
God wants good
God wants bad
What God wants God gets – What God Wants – Part 1
Confronting Condi Rice: “The blood of millions of Iraqis is on your hands”
Thanks for the Turley link. That man should be on the Court one day.
Hillary must have a lock on the Telecom’s money:
Of course, I immediately focused on the word “retroactive” … very lawyerly.
Telcom Act of 1996 – plus whatever other opportunites there were for them forge support for future runs.
Oh Obama has a toy. Filibuster.
So impressed.
Danny Schechter/News Dissector is at a conf in Graz Austria… McKinney is there as well:
I’d vote for her in a heart beat. half a heart beat.
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And the fire is returning to areas where it had passed thru. If your house was saved in the first fires, it may go in the second sweep.
I’d vote for her in a heart beat. half a heart beat.
Isn’t she anti-semitic 🙂
Oh wait. She’s not. And she doesn’t attack Capitol Cops either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_29%2C_2006_Capitol_Hill_Police_Incident
On June 16, 2006, the grand jury declined to indict Rep. McKinney, finding insufficient grounds to proceed.[15] Under 18 U.S.C. §111(a), McKinney faced a fine or not more than one year in jail if convicted of assaulting an “officer or employee of the United States”.
Oops. They forget to mention that on Kos.
Kos and his quacking whacks are all goose anuses.
It’s messy, and not pretty, and work continues, but LSF is back up, and I have a new piece just posted:
“Extreme Makeover – Disaster Edition!”
/shameless blog whoring
BRAVO! for shameless anything!
How will they smear McKinney if she runs?
1.) Crazy
2.) Hates Jews
3.) Cop Slapper
4.) Guilt by association (fucktard father)
5.) 9/11 conspiracy theorist
6.) All of the above plus stuff we don’t know yet
“fierce hairdo”, “not appropriate for a member of congress”.
That from Missy Pam of Durham.
yes really.
OHh, go Rep. McKinney! She’s got my vote.
HCfM … you forgot “traitor”.
That from Missy Pam of Durham
I’m assuming this isn’t the Pam from Atlas Shrugs.
Oh. I forgot another Kos favorite.
“Did not represent her district effectively”.
Note: Soon to be used on Kucinich
sorry.. I mean Pam Spaulding of Durham NC. I forget what she calls her site – she also is a main page blogger at Pandagon..
D Throat maintains Pam is a foundling of DH’s.
$2,400,000,000,000
Well they’re going to have to pick a different smear artist to get McKinney. Niewert isn’t quite the right guy here. And breathless “if you vote for McKinney the Nazis are going to get you” aren’t going to work either.
It will probably look more like this.
(Deleware Dem, MBNY or watever his name is, Kos) says something like “OK. Let’s get realistic now. I hate to say it but Cynthia McKinney is not only anti-semitic but ineffective. I don’t need a president who beats up cops, hates Jews, and engages in 9/11 concpiracy theories).
Sort of the same line they use on Kucinich, but more of the “she’s aggressive and crazy” than “she’s loopy and crazy”.
And I don’t even want to think what’s going to happen on LGF and the right wing sites.
U.S. air strikes on PKK weighed
I guess helping Saddam aim his chemical weapons wasn’t enough:
No damned hippies with guitars in THIS government!
Bomb Iran? U.S. Requests Bunker-Buster Bombs
Dahr Jamail: Ill-Equipped Soldiers Opt for “Search and Avoid”
Let’s see if I can be as self hating as Michelle Malkin.
OK her.
Both papers uncovered dishwashers, cooks and other suspect Hillary campaign contributors in New York’s Chinatown, Flushing, the Bronx, and Brooklyn who were limited-income, limited-English-proficient and smellier than stinky tofu. One Asian donor admitted to the Los Angeles Times “to lacking the legal-resident status required for giving campaign money.” Another, Hsiao Wen Yang, told the New York Post she was reimbursed for her $1,000 donation – setting off clear alarm bells over yet another possible straw donor scheme on the heels of Norman Hsu-gate. If it’s ‘ethnic profiling’ to be extra-careful of Chinatown donors who can’t speak English, live in dilapidated buildings, have never voted, can’t tell Hillary Clinton from Hunan Chicken or simply can’t be found, then ‘ethnic profiling’ should be the standard procedure of every responsible campaign
Both papers uncovered grandchildren of coal miners, Polka singers, and other suspect characters in (I don’t know say Hillary too) campaingers in Perth Amboy, Greenpoint, Buffalo and Chicago who were of limited English, and smellier than week old Kielbasa. One Polish American donor ADMITTED mind you that he has difficulty screwing in lightbulbs without help. Another, Stanley Kowalski admitted that his donation was made up of cash gotten from selling Blanch Dubois’ fake pearls after having his way with her and screaming “Stella” loudly up at her sister. If it’s ethnic profiling to be careful of dumb Polack donors who can’t speak English too good, can’t tell Hillary Clinton from Frankie the Polka King, and simply can’t find the the remote when Mika Brezinski comes on in the morning and you want to turn it off because Scarborough is flirting with her, then ethnic profiling should be the duty of ever responsible citizen.
Nah. That took too much work. Malking really does hate herself.
Were Those Cruise Missiles Targeted? Did Anybody Check?
I’ll believe it when I see it:
KUCINICH TO MOVE IMPEACHMENT BEFORE THANKSGIVING!
oh phooey.
Send Kuc some sleeping pills. He can wake up next year sometime.
50-minute trip for immigration know-it-alls
Staten Island ferry enlightens
hat tip to Sensenbrenner Watch
Re Cynthia McKinney, having been in all the McKinney wars on several blogs before the last election, one word her ‘enemies’, mostly so-called progressives, always used to describe her was ’embarrassing’.
It looks like she’s given up on the Democratic Party. Smart of her really not to run as Democrat. As a Green Party Candidate that gives us another choice.
Re the accusations of ‘conspiracy theorist’ – they were so fake. I have almost memorized exactly what she said to Congress regarding the Bush family and 9/11. Airc, she never said the knew about it in advance, as she was accused of. She wanted an investigation into the profiteering that surrounded it (shocking at the time) and she wanted an investigation in what information Bush may have had regarding a possible attack and if he had ignored it.
As we know now, none of that was as outrageous as it was made to seem. He did have warnings and did ignore them. And they did profit from 9/11. I think Abramoff at one point wanted to send his floating gambling casinos to NY Harbor for some reason. Those are the ones Gus Boulis was murdered over.
But no matter how many times I provided that transcript from McKinney’s Congressional speeches from that time, they were ignored.
I hope she runs. She is a very smart woman and has been proven right about everything she said back then. Now, it’s not at all shocking but at the time, it took a lot of courage for her to do the job Congress was too cowardly to do, ask for an investigation. For that she was vilified.
43-Pam’s Morning Blend, or something to that effect. I’m a bit surprised at that, but I haven’t read her in awhile.
Oh, just found my bookmark, it’s Pam’s House Blend.
Pam’s comments about McKinney were made at the time of the Hill cop incident. Pam gave a rundown of black hair styles and in commenting that McKinney apparently expected to be recognised despite not wearing her identifying congressional pin (think I am remembering that right) Pam added that her overall appearance could have caused a cop to dismiss the claim that she was a House rep.
Probably findable for anyone who wants to google. Think it was at her site, rahter than at Pandagon but perhaps at both..
AGain, iirc w/r/t the timing.
Pam is a toadie … sad, b/c her blog was interesting before she got roped in, but …
Splendid Isolation:
I probably read that at the time, marisacat. But if that what she said, she was repeating the Fox News/Limbaugh story. I think I first heard the ‘hair’ comment (McKinney had changed her hairstyle.) The excuse was that the cops had been shown photos of members of Congress, including McKinney, but when she changed her hairstyle, according to Fox, the cop did not recognize her.
What should have happened was the cop should have been removed from that job as he failed to do what he was supposed to. Also, there were other complaints about discrimination against that Department by several other black police officers, one of them a woman airc. McKinney, and if I’m remembering correctly, the Black Caucus, had supported them and had written a letter to Congress. It was a big case and it seemed there was a lot of discrimination and harrassment going on.
It was thought that what happened with McKinney was planned as payback for her support of the Black cops. I don’t know if that was true or not, but that wasn’t the first time she had been treated badly by the Capitol Hill police. I think Sheila Jackson Leigh and another Congresswoman verified that they witnessed her being treated badly before this incident.
Re the anti-semitic charge, even AIPAC did not go along with that. Her mentor as a child was a Jewish politician,(I think he was a politician) who encouraged her to get involved in politics. Her father had supported a Jewish candidate for mayor, dropping his support for a black candidate (when McKinney was a child) which got him in trouble with the Black community at the time.
Another charge against her I recall was that she had no bills before the House. That was not true either as I found several, really good bills, she had presented. The problem was she had difficulty getting sponsors for them. One had to do with Global Corps treatment of workers in other countries. I think there were about 16 bills total (not sure of the number though) but the anti McKinney crowd focused on one which was to name some building after a rapper.
Arguing with them was a waste of time. I noticed, eg, that many of those who appeared on DU at the time, disappeared after the election. They were relentless and repeated the same talking points over and over again. I am certain they were operatives now. At the time though, I was so puzzled that these ‘democrats’ were so fiercely against her. They did get a lot of push-back and had their smears ripped apart many times, but that never stopped them.
I’m sure it will all happen again so I’ll have to do a refresher course as they are likely to use the same attacks again.
“I’m in to win!”
Moving in one week. If we are going to have such hot weather this late in the fall, I hope it lasts til I’m in a place with a pool. Ridiculous today, go outside for 5 minutes and am sweating under my glasses.
58–do the Koufax awards do people in? I watched that TPM video spot with kos today. As if Josh is going to ask tough questions of kos. Circle jerk of bloggers.
if that what she said, she was repeating the Fox News/Limbaugh story
sabrina, well, maybe you can find it at her site..
Pam was TEACHING the little white peoplem hence the lesson in hairstyles…. In her job as apologist and tool. She teamed up awith Americablog, in particular, to bash McKinney.
SOme people don’t need Fox.
I remember McKinney’s hairstyles (and I particularly remember being surprised that anyone would caption her newer style as “fierce”, that was Pam’s word, as well the admonition I quoted above, not appropriate, etc) and I remember what she wore the day of the incident as well as the day she was forced to apologise in congress.
Wildfires again lead to creative communications
Mitm, just read your piece at LSF. Very excellent as usual. Speaking of NOLA I was asking today on Pff if the total number of deaths that occurred was ever revealed. I don’t recall a number other than an estimate which pretty low. Dyslexic Writer at Pff said that in NOLA bodies that are not identifiable are not counted among the dead. I find that to be shocking, if it is possible to be shocked anymore.
Scary but I believe it. If something is not done soon, this country will be one big Springer Show. I hear a lot of people saying they are thinking of leaving, don’t want their children growing up here.
NASA’s Latest Fire Pictures
Firsthand Reports From California Wildfires Pour Through Twitter
US Drought Monitor
Video of Carlin on ‘Countdown’.
IOZ … just go read all of the latest posts.
It looks like she’s given up on the Democratic Party. Smart of her really not to run as Democrat. As a Green Party Candidate that gives us another choice.
Re McKinney. IF she runs (a big if) the question is not “will she be attacked” (she’s going to be slammed 100 times harder than Kucinich or Ron Paul is now) but “how do you take the inevitable attacks and use them to get some traction in the media”.
Dean did it when Kerry attacked in late in 2003. Ron Paul did it against Giuliani. Obama tried but failed to do it when they hazed im on meeting Chavez and Achmidinejad.
If they come at her as a 9/11 conspiracy nut she needs to be able to articulate scepticism about the official report while at the same time seperating herself from the controlled demolition crowd.
If they come at her and accuse her of being an anti-semite, she needs to very clearly articulate the difference between pro-palestinian and anti-semitic.
If they accuse her of assaulting a cop, she needs to be able to turn it into a plus. I take no crap when someone grabs me.
I think the best possible scenario would be for McKinney and Paul both to run third party campaigns. Paul needs to drain the Republicans from the right and McKinney needs to drain the Democrats from the left.
The goal is to deligitmize the inevitably pro-war winner be it HIllary or Rudy or Romney or Obama.
Good links on the fires, Mitm ….
Marisacat, I think I did find that post by Pam on McKinney’s hair. Having a problem with her site, so I went to the cache. I remember now, Neil Boortz had said that McKinney’s hairstyle made her look like a ‘Ghetto Slut’. The post is about Boortz’ attack on McKinney and then Pam’s take on it.
The Politics of Hair
Just so you know, that new hairstyle McKinney is wearing is called a twist-out. I used to wear it that way on occasion before I decided to loc my hair. You can do a twist-out this with unaltered, kinky hair, or, if it’s not too damaged, with relaxed hair. I can’t really tell in her case. You can wrap it wet or damp around rods or in two-strand twists. Once dried you can take it out and shape it; no hair spray needed if your hair is in a natural state.
It’s a fierce style – I don’t think it’s inappropriate for a member of Congress, though it might be non-conformist, which I think is one of the surface objections Boortz has to the style. McKinney’s braids might have received the same scorn as this new ‘do had she worn them out and loose, as opposed to pulled back, as women with straight hair do when they wear their hair in a bun. It’s clear that the Hill has its unofficial, drab “dress code.”
She mentions Aravosis’ post which she calls ‘controversial and there is a link to that thread also.
Funny how Imus lost his job for what he said, and Boortz suffered no consequences for his vile attack on a US Contresswoman. He also stated that her hair was like a ‘brillo pad explosing’ ‘horrible’ etc. Different standards when it comes to McKinney.
thanks Mitm
here it is… someone emailed it to me:
Jesus (or should I saw Holy Allah Akbar), I wonder if I’m on this list.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071024/ts_alt_afp/usterrorismlistpolicesecurity
Re #47 Pike’s comment:
“It’s kind of strange,” Pike said. “It sends a signal that you are preparing to bomb Iran, and if you were actually going to bomb Iran I wouldn’t think you would want to announce it like that.”
My guess is that this kind of “announcement” probably doesn’t help a defender against a stealth bomber.
That MOP is real child-molesting mother-raping bastard
Go Cynthia! She definitely will be tarred with the 9-11 nut shit. She did a series of speaking tours with Mike Ruppert after she was booted from congress the first time in 2002. Guilt by association regardless of her actual statements on record. I menat to get to the one in NYC.
She’s got my vote though. Hell given that I’m a registered Green maybe I’ll even go to some organizational meetings if the local organizers can actually get their heads out of their asses and realize that they have a mailing list they can use to contact GP members. I worked hard for a Green candidate for mayor during the primary here in 2001 & the local party has never bothered to contact me since – same e-mail – same phone number.
RE Madman at 47 and CSTAR at 75
I was reading in comments today at The Guardian (think it was to the Simon Tisdall piece, useful in some ways but a sly bit of ‘Hillary is better than Bush’ congeal) … a commenter had served on a base where B-2s were… and on the hangars, on the sides was painted:
Global Power for the USA!
and the children followed painted pathways from home to school, the pathway marked by black B-2s.
Have a good move Miss D! You and the “medically necessary” chihuahua…
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Speaking of Pam Spaulding.. and Cynthia McKinney, two very different peas.
I know CMcK would review plantation slave and mistress dolls quite differently than Pam.
For every mild, couched criticism, she plants appeasement. Really it is appalling.
The difference is independence.
I noticed that too in her post about ‘hair’. Btw, I did post the link above but the blockquotes didn’t work for some reason.
When all that was happening with McKinney, I never believed the cop’s story, as he never was interviewed or even identified at first. McKinney’s version seemed plausible to me. He WAS at fault, as it was his job to protect Congressmembers and airc, each cop had photos of who they were, those they were to watch out for. He screwed up. Had she been Trent Lott, eg, the whole incident would not have happened, but if it did, the cop would most likely have been fired.
I agree regarding Pam and appeasement. In the linked post she would not discuss the cop incident as, she said ‘we don’t have enough info’ well, at that point, we did. It sounded like she was waiting to be told what to say. She could have expressed an opinion.
Lucid, I’m with you on McKinney ….
Hairclub, the thing is McKinney never did say anything that could be called a CT. Her words are on the record. But I remember when she asked for an investigation and what she said. I was thrilled as no one had dared to even suggest an investigatio at that time. The spineless Dems were falling all over themselves trying to catch up to the ‘patriotism’ of the Repubs.
Letters, New York Times (cited at kos)
TOO right!
Like HAVA, Help America Vote Act.. so ballyhoo’d. But all it did was channel money and resourced into partisan GOTV that will only target “the likely voter”… and no money and resources to grassroots orgs with a focus similar to (for instance, tho long pushed aside) League of Women Voters…orgs whose focus is expanding the voter base, registering poor and minorities, etc., serving the voter as well as the process, from a non partisan basis.
oh and HAVA was loaded iwth patronage jobs, too. Gah.
CNN’s coverage has shifted this morning … mixing in talk of people “taking advantage” of the help at Qualcomm and other places, and of “looting”. No details … were homeless people coming in for bottled water and diapers? Poor people who didn’t have dream houses to lose?
Luckily Democracy Now came on … I couldn’t watch Kirin Chetry forget to shift the mic to the person she was “interviewing” any longer.
Off to work. Try to have a good day, everybody.
hmm prolly only of interest to Westerners… I see a lot of silly chat around about the fires.
Media is pushing coverage of Qualcomm stadium. But it has 10K (can accommodate up to 30K they say) out of over a half million on the move. There are 140 refuge areas. Media is concentrating on covering white faces fleeing their homes. It is a bigger sotry than that. And yes NO/Katrina/Rita across 4 states and a larger land mass, greater numbers on the move was bigger. We will never know the number of dead from Katrina.
Some realities, the NYT round up piece. It will take days for the full story to come out. And one part of the story will be the show put on at Qualcomm park.
I specially note this, what goes around, as they say… (and again it is not just CA, people in Minneapolis finally said they might consider higher taxes after that critical bridge went kaflooie):
But don’t worry, always a chance to be fucking dumb. One of the things being looked at under the budget out of Sacto is school crossing guards. They make 30.00 a day for two hours of work. Mostly elderly, some disabled. Right, let’s take them out to balance the universe.
Go Arnold.
From a Grist article last year”
I’m always amazed that anyone thinks Arnold is some kind of ‘nicer’ Republican.
Regarding closing firehouses, they did that in NYC after 9/11 airc. After over 300 firemen died. But they never close a police station.
It is so apparent that no one cares about the American people. What I’m wondering is has it reached a point where they really don’t matter. And if so, why bother with elections anymore, why not just appoint a ‘leader’ which seems to be what happens anyway.
They are reporting on the news that one of the fires was deliberately set. Wonder how they can know that at this stage.
hmm it ws reported very early that in two fires (out of 12 across 7 counties) there was arson. I assume somehow they found the point where the fire was started.
As for Arnold, Democrats helped sell Arnold, something Kos/blahgs were fully a part of. I speak here of the re-election. Democrats in CA – and the blahggers boyos, completely abandoned Angelides. In fact it was part and parcel of one of Meteor Blades extended ivsits here.
To berate wu ming and I and others for even semi burbles toward Angelides (any day of the week better than Arnold).
And you know, Maria, with her juvenile Catholic exceptionalism, helped iwth all that bullshit, as did Mum and Dad Shriver. No problem campaigning and standing on stages iwth Arnold.
I think they should all break out the jack boots.
Nunes, the Dem head of the CA Assembly as well.
Achtung!
Yes, I remember the blahgs when Arnold was running. There was a diary by someone criticizing the press coverage of the race and I think it was Bradley (a columnist for the LA Times, I think although I could be wrong about that) pushing Arnold while denigrating Angelides who seemed to have little if any support from Dems.
The reporter came into the thread, very aggressive, attacking all of the posters there and banning from his own blog, the author of the diary. Name-calling, childish behavior from someone who is supposedly a ‘journalist’.
He was asked about Arnold’s meeting with Enron airc. That got his attention and he launched into a defense of it. Airc, this was someone considered to be a fairly liberal reporter.
I really should go look it up to be more accurate. But it was clear that Dems were supporting Arnold and the press was behind him also.
Actually, in that Davis was muzzled in the Recall (and that came from the Clintonite wing of the party, imo), the Dems put Arnold in to start with.
And while it is nothing new, but a pox on the wealthy Dem LA Jews who support Arnold. A very big nasty pox. NOt the first nor the last of that sort of unholy alliance, but still wrong.
Yup.. support the troops. And be sure to welcome guerilla killers home, when they are no longer there, but here.
From Tom Dispatch/Nick Turse:
Certainly we saw that sentiment in NO and the US government had no problem putting osme of the 82nd Airborne, fresh out of Iraq, into NO, against US citizens.
Hard to express the horror one feels when reading that. If that’s what this country has come to, that such sentiments can be expressed with no consequences, it probably is too late to do anything but leave.
The US officially viewing human beings as animals to be hunted, including right here.
I do remember Miller telling the troops to ‘treat the Iraqis like dogs’ but at that time, I thought he was an aberration.
Just found the diary I mentioned above. The ‘journalist’ was Bill Bradley. It’s enlightening to see what passes for journalism when you read both the diary, and Bradley’s comments in the thread.
Wherein the biggest media insider in CA (Bill Bradley) flips out on me:
Bill Bradley (not the great Senator from NJ
Cough. He voted for Contra Aid and helped designed Reagan’s regressive tax cuts. He reinvented himself in 2000 and got his ass kicked by Al Gore. Cornell West liked him but West also likes Obama.
It’s enlightening to see what passes for journalism when you read both the diary, and Bradley’s comments in the thread.
My experience corresponding with journalists (both liberal and conservative) is that this is the rule not the exception.
They’re incredibly touchy and hate criticism.
Agree with them and they’re polite. Disagree even slightly and BOOM. Prepare to get harangued and cursed out.
Valerie Plame seems to be doing the media. She was on Hardball. Didn’t say very much. Tweety didn’t hit on her. Boring.
I’m glad they’re onto Marc Cooper
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/5/19148/98341
Between Bradley and Marc Cooper, however, they sure do love to hate Democrats.
But Marc Cooper was one of the people trying to destroy Pacifica a long time before he started to “hate Democrats”.
A major league asshole in every way.
On the Today Show earlier this week she underscored and gave weight to (withthe obligatory “must seek all diplomatic routes” blah blah) the nuclear issue with IRan.
If all I could say helped Bush I’d sure shut the fuck up. But after the first year I felt increasingly and fnally very burned on the entire Wilson Plame thing. Qutie aside from the Dem propaganda that ws “Fitzmas”.
Very effective selling of the good CIA to the wee liberals.
I should say “helped Bush and Hillary and Ob and Ed”
since it is a gang.
More Than 755,000 on US Terrorist Watch List
Listening to Plame I really have a hard time believing she’s a big nuclear proliferation expert.
She actually uses the line “Saddam used WMDs on his own people”.
I may be wrong, but you don’t get the same sense listening to her that you get listening to Scott Ritter (who really does come across like an expert).
Plame reminds me of that description from Chalmers Johnson who says “the CIA’s intelligence isn’t very good. You put out third rate travel books. It’s real purpose is covert operations”.
I honestly have a tough time believing Plame was THE point person on Iranian nukes.
She half says it herself. “I was hoping that someone well above my pay grade had information I didn’t”.
This sounds more like a mid level corporate manager than a BIG TIME SECRET AGENT.
Just saw this at Schechter’s News Dissector (he provided no link, but easy to find if anyone cares):
evidently markos has provided “a forum” for larry sabato, who’s got a promo-piece up on the front page selling how great it would be if this country required “universal national service” for a couple of years out of every citizen’s life, beginning on or about the age of 18-26. not sure about you, sounds like the draft to me.
not even the whacks are buying it. his piece begins thusly:
one can only hope.
larry should stick to calling horse-races and give up on moonlighting as a comedian.
IOZ tries some ‘earth to Fire Dog Lake’ EMT work.
HC
I agree. I am suspicious of THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING. From the get go.
bay
think the hwole Nat Service schtick is ONLY about a draft. AND is the biggest reason to shove a Dem into the Oval.
So they can wax lyrical aobut Kennedy and Peace Corps and SPudnik and the moon shot (2 + generations ago… get a clue).. but that is what we will be hearing about. Nationalism barely masking as the Great Projects. One of which will be a draft, in some form.
universal national service” for a couple of years out of every citizen’s life, beginning on or about the age of 18-26. not sure about you, sounds like the draft to me.
Early 20ish Guy at Work: What are you listening to.
Me: Podcasts of Democracy Now
Early 20ish Guy: What’s that?
Me: Right wing radio show. Amy Goodman’s kind of a female Rush Limbaugh. She’s really into transferring the Palestinians to Jordon and cheerleading for Bush and all that.
Early 20ish Guy: Who are the Palestinians? Well, I’m not a big fan of Bush but to tell you the truth I don’t think much about politics. It doesn’t affect me.
Me: The draft will affect you.
Early 20ish Guy: The war in Iraq is over. How is there going to be a draft.
Me: I hope I don’t go through basic with you….
Political Monday: Giuliani and the Race Race
as I keep saying, Jersey Girls voted for Bush, barely clear on government (as in the houses of congress, that basic) and thought only that idiotic corp their husbands all worked for mattered. The corp that, iirc, cut them off Sept 15 then grudgingly extended it a couple weeks.
I oppose a draft as it will not work out, but it sure will affect people. No kidding.
‘Self-Help’: A Stolen Word Wielded as a Weapon Against Black Activism
Ford concludes:
Freedom Rider: Christian/Jewish Fascism Awareness Week
Spinocrat
oh gee someone who does not fit the easy scenarios around. The very family (one of them) that Bush stood iwth in 2003 is still waiting to rebuild. Stymied at every turn.
NBC evening news.
EXCLUSIVE: “I Had Sex with Larry Craig!”
“Countdown” showed that family you mentioned from the 2003 fires too.
Speaking of disasters, more reasons to dread the thought of President Rudy
I think the applause disturbs me more than what he said.
Anti-abortion Pastor Blames Wildfires on “Homosexual” Law
Water IS The Next Oil, Experts Say
Ecuador wants military base in Miami
Armenian genocide resolution scuttled (from CNN):
” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told a House committee Thursday that the resolution’s consequences on the war in Iraq would be “quite dire.”
The House Foreign Affairs Committee approved the resolution earlier this month. But Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the No. 3 Democrat in the House of Representatives, conceded last week that “the votes are not there” for the resolution to clear the full House.
In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, its major sponsors wrote that the measure would pass “if the timing is more favorable.” Pelosi, D-California, had promised to schedule a floor vote if the resolution made it out of committee, but told reporters Thursday that she accepted the sponsors’ request to set the matter aside.
Though the sponsors, led by California Democrat Adam Schiff, suggested the measure could be brought back later this year, a senior Democratic leadership aide said the issue is off the table indefinitely.”
The only thing on the table is a glass of fainting goat milk.
VIVA EQUADOR!
Love the humor… 😉
Madman: Giulani will certainly accelearte the slippery slope of government repression: The fiction of american exceptionalism (regardless of whether that idea ever really was nonfictional, it should be clear by now that has become fiction) suggests that the incipient slide down the slope of repression may well be a very long one, before it is widely seen as such. Chileans, argentinians, braziians and uruguayans never took too seriously anybody’s suggestion that they were really any different from anybody else in matters of goverment. In the case of Brazil, even the military were forced to accept at least implicitly the illegaility of their actions v. Herzog.
The Craig thing is both pathetic and hilarious. Since I use the MSP airport frequently (to catch planes that is) I often go by the Larry Craig Memorial Toilet.
Humanism and Its Discontents by Joyce Carol Oates
I always marvel at that myself. So much is ascribed to an imaginary entity for which there is no proof, yet you can look around you and see so much that people do, and could do, if we only worked together, had faith in one another, instead of fairy tales.
I’ll never understand it.
Giulani will certainly accelearte the slippery slope of government repression: The fiction of american exceptionalism […] suggests that the incipient slide down the slope of repression may well be a very long one, before it is widely seen as such
The reason the Dems, imo, want to run against Guiliani… they feel they can demonise him, quite easily. Hold on to wandering blacks and reel in wandering white whatevers.
They could run Satan and I would not vote for Hillary.
me neither. Screw both parties … I refuse to ratify their crimes.
that old bugaboo religion.
You know Richard Rodriquez the writer lived (and may still, just have not seen him lately) for many years, couple of decades, in my neighborhood. I loved his books, many of his short essays, stories. Some are about people in this neighborhood that we both see often… but when he gets on religion… another person. He romanticises as I see it and not in an alluring way.
I don’t get the way religion just warps otherwise rational people’s thinking.
Of course, there is LOTS of warped thinking in this country.
FBI forces false confession out of man
I think I’m voting write-in for Emperor Norton: Better than Queen Hillary or Il Duce Giuliani.
They could run Satan and I would not vote for Hillary.
Satan would actually be quite an improvement over Hillary, as long as its the urbane, suave Satan of popular myth and not that character Al Pacino played in Devils advocate.
LOOK
Whichever party wins, whoever gets the Democratic nomination, progressives have already lost this one because the game will be fought on the right’s terms and in the right’s language.
That’s what taking impeachment off the table did.
If EVERYBODY on the anti-war side got together, and I mean everybody from Ron Paul followers on the right to Edwards and Obama followers in the center to Kucinich followers on the moderate left to the various anti-war groups on the left and IF Al Gore decided to throw himself into the race, this anti-war coalition could quite possibly coalesce around him and push him into an anti-war, pro-civil liberties platform.
But what we’re going to get instead is the candidate of the oligarchy vs. the candidate of the screaming, xenophobic, populist right, and whether the latter is Rudy, Huckabee, or John I was in Vietnam while those damned hippies were partying at Woodstack McCain means little.
And the most likely issue the anti-Hillary right will coalesce around is immigration. And this won’t be an anti-immigrant run coupled with an anti-war, pro-civil liberties platform a la Ron Paul. It will be a hardcore fascist one.
Think Chirac vs. LePan in 2002 without Chirac’s intelligence or moderation. It’s going to be ugly.
I think I’m voting write-in for Emperor Norton
Maybe I’ll go all Wallace Stevens on everybody and write in the Emperor of Ice Cream.
The Gestapo Inheritance
Whichever party wins, whoever gets the Democratic nomination, progressives have already lost this one because the game will be fought on the right’s terms and in the right’s language.
That’s what taking impeachment off the table did.
I am sure you have noticed how one of the inevitabilites of the Democratic party is that they, over and over, make room for the right, hard right to dominate. They fall back and the right uses the opening.
If EVERYBODY on the anti-war side got together, and I mean everybody from Ron Paul followers on the right to Edwards and Obama followers in the center to Kucinich followers on the moderate left to the various anti-war groups on the left and IF Al Gore decided to throw himself into the race, this anti-war coalition could quite possibly coalesce around him and push him into an anti-war, pro-civil liberties platform.
not that I see. Even if one disregards all the “ifs”… For one Gore has proven over and over (see above, LOL) that he will not fight.
AND we don’t have a candidate who stood for election and won, we get the god damned fucking party. And its antibiotic proof superinfections.
Not a promising theory… Might work on paper, not in RL.
not that I see. Even if one disregards all the “ifs”… For one Gore has proven over and over (see above, LOL) that he will not fight.
Agreed. But he’s really the only person of any stature who’s at least moderately progressive who could knock out the Clintons and who might be a focal point to unite the various anti-war factions in American society.
Kucinich, Paul, Gravel and Cynthia McKinney are all at best fringe candidates. Edwards and Obama have proven themselves to be losers of epic proportion. Richardson and Dodd are more or less saying the right thing but who cares. They have even less stature and charisma than Paul and Kucinich.
We’re screwed. Even though 70 percent of the country is anti-war and pro-civil-liberties we’re still so screwed.
I guess the best thing to do is ignore the presidential race but the presidential race has so much sucking power and so much ability to draw people down. And this one’s going to be like the Titanic when it sticks itself high up in the air before going down for good.
But I guess on the bright side if you can get a couple of decent third party candidates in the race who can draw enough votes away from what is surely going to be the lowest turnout in history, you could delegitimize whoever “wins”.
Then again, a delegitimized Bush right now is doing whatever he wants.
Oh we’re so screwed. That’s the only conclusion I can come to, so, so screwed.
the anti war – if they give a shit – should not vote for a Dem OR a R at the top of the ticket.
Vote down ticket, locally, however it works best but withhold the vote at the top of the ticket, or write in Martin Luther King… as an example..
But like the dinner party my emailer detailed a couple days ago, 5 anti war, who had marched and protested for years and 3 are for Hillary. And, I did nto add it to my post, but the dinner ended VERY tense and not happy.
IMO that knocks out whatever it is they THINK they believe in.
i understand witholding one’s vote as a matter of conscience, but i don’t think it is possible to delegitimize american elections through low turnout, high 3rd party, whatever.
the system is already so rigged as to be illegitimate. bush still wields what power he can exercise. if people still think we live in a democracy after 2000, low turnout isn’t going to make a dent in that belief.
what will save us, if anything, is the slow, hard work of somehow organizing those sick of it all into an electoral weapon. i suppose witholding (a voter strike) might pan out if done as a bloc, loudly, ahead of time, with clear demands. done willy-nilly, it’s like those “consumer strikes,” lost in the noise.
that being said, i’ll admit that i could not bring myself to vote for feinstein last time around, and do not think that i could even talk myself into a clinton vote in the general. not pointing fingers here, just noticing that organized disobedience is going to be a lot more effective than wildcatting it.
which is why the online diverting of the organic upwelling in 2002-2004 into being self-disciplined wannabe volunteer operatives is such a fucking tragedy. another moment will come around again, but that was a great opportunity that was just totally blown.
as it stands, i’m holding out hope for gore (naive hope dies last), but i’ll admit it’s a long shot, and dependent on gore campaigning in a way 180 degrees from 2000. but then i’m not entirely free of both the hope and the fear that dems like to play upon.
we all gotta find our own way. if a better alternative pops up, i’ll jump aboard. might end up waiting fortever, i dunno.
which is why the online diverting of the organic upwelling in 2002-2004 into being self-disciplined wannabe volunteer operatives is such a fucking tragedy
Very very true. Three cycles and now into a fourth and you hear so called liberal so called left rationalise casting a vote for war mongering.
I sure don’t see anything but versions of going to war on offer.
LOL The “debate” or more accurately point counter point today on Iran, on the News Hour was between Nicholas Burns, under sec at State and Webb. Webb portrayed himself very strongly as anti war. And Webb looked very self satisfied.
Good luck I say to anyone buying it.
when I saw this over at PFF, I thought it was a joke.
Legislating against radical idealogy – with references to homegrown violence as diversion (that is my take, they already spy on anti war Quakers… and sic the FBI/Homeland Securitat on librarians).
It’s not. Put forward by Jane Harmon, pro war, pro Israel… and 14 co sponsors.
Don’t miss the Bloooooooooooo Dogs… and the shits (Dan Lundgren is a fucking nutter). It passed the House, now goes to the Senate.
Rep. Christopher Carney [D-PA]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. Yvette Clarke [D-NY]
Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA]
Rep. Norman Dicks [D-WA]
Rep. Al Green [D-TX]
Rep. James Langevin [D-RI]
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]
Rep. Nita Lowey [D-NY]
Rep. Daniel Lungren [R-CA]
Rep. Ed Perlmutter [D-CO]
Rep. Ted Poe [R-TX]
Rep. Dave Reichert [R-WA]
Rep. Bennie Thompson [D-MS]
thoughtcrime.
Text of HR 1955 as it was referred to the Senate, via thomas.loc.gov
I just read that bill. Like you, I thought it was a joke also. I notice one of the ‘pinche’ posters appears to be party apologist. In that thread, s/he is attempting to blame the site that reported it for putting a ‘fox spin’ on the bill. Well, having read it, not even Fox could have come up with something as frightening as that.
I will always remember how mcjoan tried to fend off criticism of Jane Harman because she ‘came and talked to us and is willing to learn’. Do they really believe these things or they paid to say them?
I also had a run-in with one of the troll patrollers about Harman. There was a real effort on DK to prevent any criticism of her.
I noticed her name on the bill and just laughed, because what else can you do? The title alone is scary. But it will provide employment for some brown-shirt types according to the section on ‘compensation’. Who else would involve themselves in something like that?
You know what “we” are going to get?
Hillary in 08, Huckabee in 2012.
Gore??? SO many opportunities to enter the race now that could have served “the cause” . Above the fray is not going to “save” “us”. Th philosopher king trip is laughable in the expectation that it will “get over” of itself. …Regarding his ambitions or lack thereof: A “slow bleed” strategy? or waiting to 2012 to REALLY REALLY REALLY show em then.? Christ
IMO – too long in coming, (I mean developing)–
This is structural rot we’re talking about.
Fuckin Yeltsin stood on a tank.
If Gore, Kerry, all those “who served” didn’t have the juice, hadn’t cultivated the loyalty or inspired even one god damn Armed Calvary careerist or maybe a few young bucks at Ft Meade– after all those years in DC…
Seems to me you need to know something about the use of force to repel a radical takeover of a Constitutional Government..Nothing. Not even a paper airplane sent astray.
“Fighting Dems” my ass.
Who was willing to join the antiwar protests and risk arrest?
Crash the Gates…What Bullshit.
Allow me to digress back a bit. CLINTON could have ordered TROOPS to protect the ballot in Florida 2000. You can do anything by EO if your willing to suffer the blowback. Hey in Fla they “found” the courage to “do the right thing” re sending in the Feds to take custody of Elian Gonzalez. Such a finely woven web they weave…
sabrina – 138
I noticed the pinche apologist, too. sigh. I remember all the “don’t worry your little head, little lady” shit about the early bills, post 9/11, for the draft. Those too in DC and here in CA (Jackie SPiers for one) from the goddamnfucking Democrats. Bullfuckingshit.
Zoe Lofgren seems like some people post 03 primary run, the Dean knock out from the party declawed them – and they gave up. She had been an early supporter of Dean. I do understand, but it is dangerous. She never makes a peep now and infact signs onto this.
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BHHM
Yeltsin… yes stood on a tank and men held up sewn together packets of bullet proof padding (then illegal in Russia) to protect him. CNN ws still just enough of its old self to run a lot of near raw film (and of course the story fit our scenario).
Yes Iam sick of the scenarios shoveled out to us that keep us meek and mellow and yeowling for Gore to save us.
If he cared the least bit, or was not a prisoner of the party, he would have run in 04 and taken it away from Bush. That is what people of purpose do.
Suck slugs they all are.
well I meant “sick slugs” but that works too…
8)
And in case anyone thought they were imagining the attacks on the ‘left’ while at the same time taking their money, it’s nice to see it in their own words, at least it’s a comfort to know that it is not paranoia if nothing else.
I’ll just link to the article at DU where I found the quotes from the DLC et al. It is sickening. It explains Daily Kos, MYDD et al perfectly, and why blogs are mentioned as part of the ‘problem’ is hard to understand, unless it is a diversion, an attempt to keep people going to them so they can be persuaded to donate.
Take their money, use their energy, but then distance yourselves from them.
And from Rosenberg. Isn’t he behind the new Bowers/Stoller venture or am I thinking of someone else. Too tired to check right now. Anyway here’s what he thinks of the base of the party:
The same sentiment was expressed by Kos when he told people he didn’t ‘want their donations’ yelling at some hapless poster who thought he was helping by suggesting to those complaining about the Chevron ad that they donate so they did not have to see them. Kos said that would lower the clicks to the ads and he didn’t need their petty donations anyway.
But, as always, with kos, he did a complete turnaround recently by asking those same people he has so much disdain for to help pay for his ‘fellows’. And for BiPM.
There are several more revealing quotes in the link. Anyone who is even thinking of donating money to the DP would be better off giving it to a homeless person. At least that way, they know it will do some good.
I remember both those quotes. And Dkos (and I mean Kos, himself) loved using the Elmendorf one to exemplify the sort of Dem he is against.
made me laugh.
Oh SImon Rosenberg and the NDN. What a joke. Kos is on the board of the adjunct group, as well as Trippi and Mark Penn, Hillary’s pollster/guru. You can find all of that thru the NDN site. Simon supported Lieberman in CT (as if it mattered, what a joke that was)
I keep saying, very conservative Dems/others running blogs, blahgs, and box car sites, butterfly net operations. I notice tho, people keep ordering the nose rings.
Marisacat, re the ‘pinche’ – very much a party apologist as I found out in this thread http://politicalfleshfeast.com/showComment.do?commentId=38501
I suppose they will show up wherever people are who are not fooled by them.
In the DU link above, there is one quote which expresses the fear they have of the internet, that ‘even though only a few thousand people might be reading etc. the sentiments expressed can seep out …..’ paraphrasing, but it’s clear they were not going to let that happen, and I am now wondering about a few on Pff. Not sure, but wouldn’t be surprised.
Waving at Bhhm – ‘institutional rot’ – it’s so bad, worse than I imagined after reading those quotes. We are the ones who are lacking ‘morals’ by not talking about the ‘terrorist threat’ and objecting to attacking and killing a million people in a country that did us no harm. It’s worse than rot, it’s insanity.
That Bill passed 404 – 6.
After reading that Bill, its hard to know where to begin
I’m going to throw in a few bits here on this
ONE:It shows clearly the bipartisan interest in a police state:
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Reading the markup language is a trip:
The Bold below ironically was in the first draft.
Cops and Contractors all getting paid in the Jane Harmon Zionist Stasi Jackboot Center. `
sabrina
well poking around years ago, it is clear winger money was behind DLC… and with Lieberman partnering with Rosenberg to get NDN going… more wingerism.
But liberal left whatever will reconcile and slavishly excercise the “right to vote”… come 08.
The dangerous thing about the internet, much less blogs (which had to be capped and managed early, it seems to me, then it was all just games of diversion, evermore) is that it causes information to move around.
Not what the wingers – of either party – want.
sabrina
reading the thread you linked to…
strikes me pinche cheek/gum/whatever is at a computer in a politico’s office.
All the tired tropes.
BHHM
thanks for breaking that out.. I only got to skim the text… will read it more closely tomorrow.
new thread…
LINK
Mcat IMO this is definitely worth a post.
Further on HR 1955
Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
Point Two: A Setup for rampant contractor abuse delving into political opponents of the bipartisan PTB leadership that controls the thing.
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Marisa, I wouldn’t be surprised. His rhetoric is so familiar, not to mention tactics. Ignore all points made, and put words in the mouth of the dissenter. They do need new tactics, these old ones are far too recognizable.
He’s trying to sell that horrific bill as a ploy by Dems to go after Repubs on ‘skinheads’ etc. Lol, really, he sounds like DhinMi weaving fairy tales to protect the party.
The diary itself was excellent, but they (he, enders) came in an derailed any discussion of the content of the diary. If they think they are going to change anyone’s mind about the Democrats they are mistaken.
As far as being in a politico’s office, I will ask him outright. They are all over the internet, no reason to think they will not invade Pff. And even if he’s just a blind partisan, I’m sick of them also. No one with any sign of intelligence can go on defending them at this point, unless they have some kind of agenda, imo.
Sabrina
LOL I lved it when he said “Take it or Leave it”. As his further comment on some version of fuck you be happy with how we do it. And PS gimme your vote bitch
And I thought, great, I am leaving it. LOL.
he’s probably an operative in schumer’s office.
and i wonder why peeder chose not to front-page that piece.
curiouser and curiouser.