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The Shining City on the Hill… 29 October 2007

Posted by marisacat in Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.
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Langewiesche is up in VF:

A dynamic is in play, a process paradox, in which the means rise to dominance as the ends recede from view. The United States has worldwide interests, and needs the tools to pursue them, but in a wild and wired 21st century the static diplomatic embassy, a product of the distant past, is no longer of much use. To the government this does not seem to matter. Inman’s new bureaucracy, the Diplomatic Security section, has blossomed into an enormous enterprise, employing more than 34,000 people worldwide and engaging thousands of private contractors—all of whom also require security. Its senior representatives sit at hundreds of diplomatic facilities, identifying real security risks and imposing new restrictions which few ambassadors would dare to overrule.

 Safety comes first, and it is increasingly difficult to achieve. In Baghdad the mortar fire is growing more accurate and intense. After 30 mortar shells hit the Green Zone one afternoon last July, an American diplomat reported that his colleagues were growing angry about being “recklessly exposed to danger”—as if the war should have come with warning labels.

baghdad embassy pool 

At least the swimming pool has been placed off limits. Embassy staff are required to wear flak jackets and helmets when walking between buildings, or when occupying those that have not been fortified.  [so... we are to assume no debauchery in the pool house?  -- Mcat] 

The ambassador, Ryan Crocker, is distributing a range of new protective gear, and is scattering the landscape with 151 concrete “duck and cover” shelters. Not to be outdone, a Senate report has recommended the installation of a teleconferencing system to “improve interaction” with Iraqis who may be in buildings only a few hundred yards away. So, O.K., the new embassy is not perfect yet, but by State Department standards it’s getting there.

What on earth is going on? We have built a fortified America in the middle of a hostile city, peopled it with a thousand officials from every agency of government, and provided them with a budget to hire thousands of contractors to take up the slack. Half of this collective is involved in self-defense. The other half is so isolated from Iraq that, when it is not dispensing funds into the Iraqi ether, it is engaged in nothing more productive than sustaining itself. The isolation is necessary for safety, but again, the process paradox is at play—and not just in Iraq. Faced with the failure of an obsolete idea—the necessity of traditional embassies and all the elaboration they entail—we have not stood back to remember their purpose, but have plunged ahead with closely focused concentration to build them bigger and stronger. One day soon they may reach a state of perfection: impregnable and pointless.

All it lacks is the ramparts and a hot oil defense system, which would seem appropriate – considering the true “mission”.

… the location of the compound is well known in Baghdad anyway, where for several years it has been marked by large construction cranes and all-night work lights easily visible from the embattled neighborhoods across the river. It is reasonable to assume that insurgents will soon sit in the privacy of rooms overlooking the site, and use cell phones or radios to adjust the rocket and mortar fire of their companions. Meanwhile, however, they seem to have held off, lobbing most of their ordnance elsewhere into the Green Zone, as if reluctant to slow the completion of such an enticing target.

One thing is certain, in classic fashion those dispatched to outposts of empire will be drinking themselves to death, inside the luxe prison.

Good Luck.  Don’t write…

   baghdad embassy dep chief of mission residence
 
Dean: Democratic president would end war

Posted on Jun 09, 2007 @ 10:12 AM – 

WASHINGTON – The high hurdles faced by congressional Democrats in their efforts to end the Iraq war make electing a Democratic president in 2008 the best way to finish the conflict, Democratic party chairman Howard Dean said Saturday.

He noted his party has made little progress toward ending the war, the cause, he said, that returned them to power.

“The American people hired Democrats last November to ensure that we end this war,” Dean said during the weekly Democratic radio address. “So let me be clear, we know that if we don’t keep our promise, we may find ourselves the minority again.

Dean put the blame for the lack of progress squarely on the White House and congressional Republicans for blocking his party’s attempt at tying war funding to deadlines for troop withdrawals.

“We have to face the reality that Republicans in Congress are standing with President Bush as he stubbornly wields his veto pen,” Dean charged. In response, he proposed that the “one way to truly ensure we end this war” was to elect a Democrat as president in 2008.  [pound it into the brains of the little Democrats -- Mcat]

A former presidential candidate himself, Dean contrasted the field of Democratic and Republican candidates who participated in separate party debates earlier this week, saying only Democrats would end the war.

Democrats also seek to shift troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, restore damaged relationships with other countries and provide the military with “the resources they need,” Dean said.

AP

Good luck.  Don’t write… don’t phone either…

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1. wu ming - 29 October 2007

thanks a fucking lot, howard (to the man’s credit, there was a time when he had the humanity to “gaffe” and say something normal, every once in a while).

BAKER’S WIFE
But this is not right!

CINDERELLA’S PRINCE
Right and wrong don’t matter in the woods,
Only feelings.
Let us meet the moment unblushed.
Life is often so unpleasant-
You must know that, as a peasant-
Best to take the moment present
As a present for the moment.

I must leave you.

BAKER’S WIFE
Why?

CINDERELLA’S PRINCE
The Giant.

BAKER’S WIFE
Will we find each other in the woods again?

CINDERELLA’S PRINCE
This was just a moment in the woods.
Our moment,
Shimmering and lovely and sad.
Leave the moment, just be glad
For the moment that we had.
Every moment is of moment
When you’re in the woods…

Goodbye.

2. marisacat - 29 October 2007

yes I admit wu ming, I cnanot listen anymore to the Faulkner remix… and i have it on my hard drive. I added it ot something i wrote oh … spring of 05, with some terrible gibberish text coming from Howard,, the first invocations fromo him – that the party wanted fundies (they call them evangelicals just to clean it up, as propaganda) and his first slams against abortion.

Fucking hell.

when it gets to the part of his stump speech about walking hand in hand, an America that looks like America, black and white, man and woman gay and straight.. i just start to weep.

3. CSTAR - 29 October 2007

Weep more:

Atordoado eu permaneço atento
Na arquibancada pra a qualquer momento
Ver emergir o monstro da lagoa

Listen:

http://aindex.wordpress.com/

4. ms_xeno - 29 October 2007

Well, thanks for the earlier link, Mcat. Gratifying to see that AG has a long and venerable history of prickhood (prickitude ?) to every woman whose presumably not interested in oohing and aahing over him and his glittering expanse of shiny brass.

Oh, and wu ming. Still catching up on last week’s columns. I wasn’t actually mad about your West Coast comments. In fact, I was kind of tickled to see somebody else point out one of those foibles that I’ve lived with and fought against in myself and others for, uh, a really long time. That doesn’t always come across well in print. Sorry.

One of these days we need to have a big old gardening thread, somewhere. Scruggs has had a bunch of gardening info in his space, as of late. I think he’s going to swap me some seed potatoes for some annual seeds.

Cheers.

5. wu ming - 29 October 2007

no problem, ms_x, i’ve just tangled in enough of those particular regional taunts that i wanted to make sure the tone came across right. i married into a northwesterly family, so i’m ready to go plaid-and-polarfleece chameleon if the opportunity arises.

agreed on the gardening. i’m impatiently awaiting my seed potatoes for the victory garden, everything else is in. i love the idea of making food out of dirt made partially out of my food scraps. reassuring, for some reason.

6. marisacat - 29 October 2007

I noticed scruggs post, not too long ago, gardening in hard hit urban areas. Very smart. And in contained space…

ms xeno,

not sure you saw, melvin left a comment iwth some thoughts in xeriscape… if you missed it I can pull it up ‘back stage” pretty easily.

7. marisacat - 29 October 2007

oh those sneaky Papists… LOL the power of the office…

The Vatican recognizes 498 priests and nuns slain in the Spanish Civil War, seen as an affront to the current leftist government in Madrid.

By Tracy Wilkinson, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 29, 2007

VATICAN CITY — Bitter memories of Spain’s civil war were on center stage here Sunday as the Vatican put 498 slain Spanish priests and nuns from that divisive era on the path to sainthood.

The Mass recognizing the Catholic men and women killed around the time of the 1936-39 civil war was the largest beatification ceremony in church history. Thousands of pilgrims who traveled from Spain filled St. Peter’s Square, waving yellow and red national flags and pictures of the newly beatified, whom the church considers to be martyrs.

“For a Catholic Spain, they died,” read one huge banner.

However, the beatifications have stirred controversy in Spain, where critics accuse the Vatican of playing politics by recognizing one side of the war’s protagonists. ::snip::

8. moiv - 29 October 2007

Benedict, unlike his predecessor, John Paul II, rarely presides over beatifications, so his choice to appear Sunday was significant. He did not attend Sunday’s Mass, but as it concluded, he stepped onto his balcony above St. Peter’s Square to bless the audience and salute the martyrs and their followers.

I only wanna know one thing: was he wearing his Pradas, red for the blood of the martyrs?

9. marisacat - 29 October 2007

hmm a closer look at the Petraeus counterinsurgency manual. Apparently a concoction of plagiarism.

10. moiv - 29 October 2007

Here’s a beauty of a quote from page 2:

One particularly controversial beatification was that of Father Gabino Olaso Zabala, who was also killed in August 1936. Decades earlier, he was stationed as a missionary in the Philippines, where witnesses said Olaso was involved in the torture of a priest who was said to have supported the rebellion against Spanish occupiers of the nation.

Father Fernando Rojo, the Spanish-born postulator, or handler, of Olaso’s case and that of the other Augustinian priests, said that such background was not important to the martyr’s cause. Whether or not Olaso was a torturer, the key fact is that he died for his faith.

“We are humans, we can have defects, but at the hour of truth, the question is whether he renounced his faith,” Rojo said in an interview ahead of Sunday’s ceremony.

Explains a lot . . .

11. moiv - 29 October 2007

Mcat @ 9

Let them beatify this:

” Human Terrain research gathers data that help inform what Assistant Undersecretary of Defense John Wilcox recently described as the military’s “need to map Human Terrain across the Kill Chain”. The disclosure that anthropologists are producing knowledge for those directing the “kill chain” raises serious questions about the state of anthropology.”

AFAIC, it raises serious questions about a number of things.

12. marisacat - 29 October 2007

moiv

yes I am only half way thru the Price article… I truly did not know what to excerpt, it is … I don’t know. Horrifying.

It says that Counterpunch pulled it from their paid sub publication and wanted it ot have wider dispersal. Good!

13. marisacat - 30 October 2007

I got the clear impression the two anthros are fully in the fever of killing. If second hand. And since they are there who knows.

Awful. Just don’t have words…

The psychologists (or what it psychoterapists?) apparently are OK iwth assisting torture the anthros fine iwth the Kill Chain.

Our institutions ahve failed utterly… completely.

14. moiv - 30 October 2007

You’re right. There’s so much there that it’s hard to know where to begin. But it’s not hard to see the end.

15. marisacat - 30 October 2007

moiv

I’d be interested if Dr Hern has any reaction to this article.

And i note it mentions a Tom Hayden piece in the Nation on this Manual as well… I will hunt that up. He is not much but sometimes he lets loose with something.

16. moiv - 30 October 2007

I’ll pass it along to him.

17. marisacat - 30 October 2007

here is the hayden article from the nation, it is only from last month…

ugh as I listen to this Charlie has on Jeffrey Sachs, Anne Venneman, Nurse of Rockefeller University… and a couple others on global health.

Slobber for Gates Foundation.

Slobber slobber slobber and more slobber.

18. antihegemonic - 30 October 2007

This is an interesting comment. And notice where it is posted: the website of the DCCC. I guess they are asleep. Here is a link to the website:

http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/archives/005871.html

Here is the comment:

I guess as long as the party keeps pitching the SCHIP issue as the centerpiece of the 2008 campaign, I’m going to have to keep responding with my questions about the 2006 campaign, and it’s central issues.
It’s getting tiresome, but I don’t intend to give up on my core principles, unlike far too many Democrats I’ve worked to elect to the nation’s highest offices!!

So, repeating myself one more time:

SideShow In The Center Ring!!
Isn’t there a WAR somewhere you were supposed to be getting us OUT of?
Isn’t there a push to spread the war into Iran, which you ought to be working to PREVENT, instead of working to PROMOTE?

Aren’t there some Americans that the executive branch is spying on without warrants, who you ought to be standing up for, instead of standing up for the executive branch?

Aren’t there some prisoners being held in some Guantanamo ‘Twilight Zone’, with no formal charges against them, no access to legal council and no discernable rights, who you ought to be looking into?

Isn’t there some extremely porkish spending ‘earmarking’ still going on, that this Democratic Congress told us it would/did eliminate?

Posted by: Severely Disappointed Democrat | October 29, 2007 7:57 PM

…and just by the way…

Is DCCC targeting the two Democrats who voted with the Republicans on this seemingly Most-Important-Of-All-Issues-Of-Our-Day?
Or, ‘holding feet to the fire’ of the Democrat who couldn’t be bothered to show up and vote?

Running any ads in THEIR districts?

Or are you ‘just playing politics with children’s health care’, as you accuse the Republicans of doing, while hoping we’ll forget about everything you said in 2006?

Posted by: Severely Disappointed Dem | October 29, 2007 8:06 PM

Severely Disappointed Dem asks a few probing questions. He would have been banned at Daily Kos, especially if Kos were to adhere to KO’s new policy, one in which all Kos users must conduct themselves as volunteers for a Democratic campaign. But at least Severely Disappointed Dem was able to aritculate his or her thoughts at Party central. I just wonder when they will delete SDD’s comments.

19. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

And with # 17, …Slobber slobber slobber and more slobber.

I awoke here at 5am on the East Coast from the kind of near death slackjawed sleep complete with cup runneth over drool… I’ve posted about wanting to get the fuck out of the country before our American Bloody Express bill arrives for our – ah – “travels” shall we say..

War and necrotic carpetbagging – its what we do.
Should we be pissed when the inevitable regional spam follows??

Notice!
Opportunities many tourist Business Money for you too Make happy.
Phase II Abu Graib Estates Opening Soon at Secret location near you.
Contact PNAC Lifestyle Sexo.

20. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

19 anti-heeg.
So what link analysis purpose is served by visiting the D trip C?
The really really bad D triple C?
Not that I give a shit, really, really….really.

21. marisacat - 30 October 2007

hmmm war and necrosis…

I dropped in at left i on the news… a snap shot of the one of the Sunday appearances. For all I know she shoe shopped afterwards. No, it ws not Condi, nor was it Dianne Fi.

Asked by Wolf Blitzer her opinion of the Israeli bombing of Syria, she responded by saying she hadn’t been briefed yet, but she could still talk about international law. As Franklin Pangborn used to say (or was it Jack Benny?), “Go onnnnnn…”

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then I dropped in on Dennis Perrin, who took a trip thru the [unamed] big lib/Dem blogs. And it was not a pretty picture:

Critique either these fantasies or the corrupt system that make them necessary, and the liberals will vomit all over you. You are insane, in need of professional help, a Naderite, a Bush supporter, a Christo-fascist, or at the very least a very stupid person who doesn’t understand the Two Party System. Is it perfect? No, they’ll concede.

But that’s all there is, all there could conceivably be, so shut the fuck up, vote Dem early and often, and focus all of your critical energies on Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz.

Today’s liberals, many of them, anyway, cannot see a world beyond that of Global Corporate Order, which is why they’ll continually serve one of the GCO’s control mechanisms, the Democrats. The corporate mules know of and count on this acquiescence every election season. And you wonder why Hillary smiles so much.

Bingo!

22. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

Immunity Deal Hinders Blackwater Probe
Guards’ Statements Cannot Be Used in Blackwater Case
FBI cannot use information gleaned from State Department bureau’s interviews with guards who were involved in the Sept. 16 civilian shootings.

23. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

When you must ask,
The answer to the question “How much ya spend?”
is most certainlya lie.

Que the kazoo for disclosure…
The obligatory Po’ mouth figures fool no adversaries only serve to increase budgets and further intel / police state interests..

Walter Pincus fro WaPo:

Spying Said to Cost $50 Billion
Some Formerly Classified Figures Are to Be Disclosed Today

24. marisacat - 30 October 2007

we shoudl assume they left off digits, front and back.

we are sinking.

25. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

But we can always Debate,
Catch the “Dress up, shnookums” Nanny Nan Nancery at the end…

http://www.drexel.edu/debate/cva.asp

Campaign Visibility Area Guidelines

Introduction
The intent of the Campaign Visibility Area (CVA) is to provide campaigns and other groups with an area to express their free speech rights. It is important to remember, however, that while we want to allow this opportunity, safety is our number one concern. Many, if not all, of the rules outlined below are designed to ensure safety of all CVA participants.

Location
The Campaign Visibility Area (CVA) will be located on the south side of Chestnut Street at 31st Street along the sidewalk in a special roped off area. Supporters will have a clear view of the entrance to the debate and the media.

Both campaign supporters and general protesters will be in the same area. Specific rules for the CVA are attached to this memo.

The CVA Vicinity – No signs outside the CVA on Drexel property
The CVA is the only area on the campus and in the vicinity of the debate where campaign visibility and signs will be permitted. Groups forming on other areas of campus will be escorted off the property. Groups forming on city streets or other public areas may be asked to leave by the Philadelphia Police Department and Drexel Public Safety. This will also include any signs placed outside the CVA. There is a strict NO SIGNS ON DREXEL PROPERTY policy on campus. This includes signs and banners on buildings.

Hours
The CVA will open at 4 PM. It will be open to foot traffic ONLY (this means no vehicles will be permitted on Chestnut Street at any time). Drexel Public Safety staff will be on hand to enforce this rule.

Security/Enforcement
Drexel Public Safety staff and local law enforcement worked with Debate organizers on selecting this site and will be present in the area and primarily responsible for enforcing the rules for everyone. However, Drexel is expecting each campaign to assist with the enforcement of these rules within their own campaign.

Parking
People wishing to take part in campaign visibility will not have designated parking on campus and should plan to park on the street if they find it or consider shuttling supporters to the site. There is NO BUS PARKING anywhere near the Green – strictly drop off only.

General Rules
The only signs allowed in the CVA are lawn signs/placards
NO 4’x 8′ signs are allowed
Signs on sticks will be permitted, BUT sticks should no longer than three feet.
No motorized vehicles
No scissor lifts
No bands (marching or otherwise)
No megaphones
No noisemakers
No amplified noise of any kind
Balloons are permitted
Homemade signs are permitted
T-shirts and stickers are permitted
Sandwich boards are permitted
No umbrellas
Praying for Rain Encouraged
No weapons
No fireworks
No animals
No grills for tailgating
Don’t even think about a Popcorn Machine
No alcohol
No lights – no electricity
Welcome to the Dark Ages
No glass containers
Bottled water – no large containers
Lots and Lots of Water, Boards, and Bindings await those
who fail to submit to “the rules”

Other Notes
Anyone violating any of the above rules, or engaging in any disruptive behavior, can and will be asked to leave the CVA. [Not a mark-up here]>>>>> Any of the above rules can be altered at any point before or during the debate due to safety or other concerns. Any changes made to these rules will be communicated to the management of each campaign with as much notice as possible. Drexel Public Safety and Philadelphia Police Department has the ultimate authority on what is permitted.

Please note that October evenings in Pennsylvania can be very cold. Please tell your staff and volunteers to plan accordingly. Campaigns should bring water for their own staff.

For any questions or concerns, please contact Drexel University Office of Government and Community Relations, 215-895-2109.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

Campaign Visibility Areas

Orwell would be so proud to see academia utilize his insights.

The Perrin is spot on.

27. sabrina - 30 October 2007

Bhhm, #25 – is that a joke? It sounds like sarcasm, but if not, why does anyone bother with these events?

I just saw a poll that shows nearly half of the population here is in favor of bombing Iran’s nuclear sites. I’m with you, Bhhm, probably time to start planning to leave.

From Marisa’s OP:

We have built a fortified America in the middle of a hostile city, peopled it with a thousand officials from every agency of government, and provided them with a budget to hire thousands of contractors to take up the slack. Half of this collective is involved in self-defense. The other half is so isolated from Iraq that, when it is not dispensing funds into the Iraqi ether, it is engaged in nothing more productive than sustaining itself.

I’m sure that Congressional Dems who claim to have feared being accused of not ‘supporting the troops’ have no idea about the money being spent on this and on mercenaries. No doubt they are unaware of the corruption, the missing billions etc. So, being ignorant of it all, they will vote to ‘support the troops’ and give Bush his extra billions in case anyone doubts their patriotism.

Not even Kucinich has raised the issue (that I’m aware of) of where the money for the troops is being spent, how much actually goes to the troops who have been used to get public support for every, single supplemental. Who is there to ask the question?

I do recall that before the 2004 election, Kerry did ask for ‘an accounting’ of where the latest (at the time) money would be going. The $80 or so billion. The WH responded by telling him to go to hell. So, he did and voted for it without any further questions.

28. marisacat - 30 October 2007

oh what a hoot… the “controversial” Dr Watson is a Democrat.

Lawmakers, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, have taken thousands in campaign cash from an embattled Nobel-prize winning scientist while earmarking federal money for his New York lab.

Mrs. Clinton and Sen. Charles E. Schumer, also a New York Democrat, requested a $900,000 earmark in June for the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, where James D. Watson served as chancellor before resigning last week after apologizing for comments that suggested that people descending from Africa aren’t as intelligent as those from Europe.

29. ms_xeno - 30 October 2007

Mcat, I saw melivn’s comment about extension offices.

Was too embarrassed to tell him that Multnomah County has no extension office, owing to numerous budget cuts. >: When I need help I call a neighboring county, and they are always very gracious and helpful, just like melvin says.

The real bear with xeriscaping would be the cost of removing all that grass and hauling it away. We have a tiny house on a 5000′ lot. At least with more stringent land use laws, nobody wastes land like that in the gentrified inner city any more. :/

30. lucid - 30 October 2007

Mitm – last thread. Madcowmorningnews is a prominent 9-11 consipiracy site that focused its attention on the flight schools, and their owners connections to both the drug trade & the US intell apparatus.

As with any conspiracy site, definitely vet the claims from outside sources. I have found though that they tend to have backup for their claims.

31. antihegemonic - 30 October 2007

I know some of you were wondering about the relations between BlogPAC, the 50 State Blog network, MyDD, DailyKos and the DCCC and DSCC. Here is some evidence. Place this within the context of this diary by Cheryl:

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=14567

And place this within the context of Kos and Rick Noreiga.

Here is the email I received from a blogger at Texas Burnt Orange Report:
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The 2000 Mile Challenge

Answering the call to serve.

The rumors are true- I’m moving back to Texas!

I am excited to announce that I have taken leave from ActBlue in order to join Rick Noriega’s US Senate campaign as the Online Coordinator effective November 1.

Currently, I’m writing you from the Boston-Logan Airport where I will soon board a jetBlue flight to Austin (via JFK in New York) with my cat (Catfish). As you can see, she’s handling it quite well. She wasn’t much help with the $50 cab fare to get here (taxis are crazy expensive in Boston) but she seems just as eager as I to return to warmer Texas weather. And of course, to Rick Noriega’s Senate campaign.

But Catfish and I would like to issue a fundraising challenge in support of Rick Noriega.

It’s roughly 2,000 miles from Boston and Austin.
We’ll be flying for about 6.5 hours, arriving in Texas at 5 pm.

Can you raise $1 for Rick Noriega for each mile of flight by the time we land?

$208 for Noriega gets us to New York.
$570 for Noriega gets us to Virginia.
$1,100 for Noriega gets us to Georgia.
$1,415 for Noriega gets us to Mississippi.
$2,000 for Noriega gets us home to Texas!

Give here: http://www.actblue.com/page/2000milechallenge

That’s $2,000 by 5pm, just $300 an hour- and I’m even give you a head start! I won’t be able to check in on the progress of this effort until we land in the Lone Star state so I’m putting my faith in you to support our presumptive Democratic nominee to defeat John Cornyn. I wouldn’t be returning to Texas if I didn’t think Rick Noriega represented a once in a decade opportunity to change Texas politics.

It’s time to retire Junior Senator John Cornyn.
And you can do it for just $1 a mile.

Our eyes are upon you Texas. Will you, too, answer the call?

email: karltm@burntorangereport.com
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They are all operatives.

32. lucid - 30 October 2007

Our institutions ahve failed utterly… completely.

And people like Horowitz complain about ‘lefty academia’…

33. lucid - 30 October 2007

the “controversial” Dr Watson is a Democrat.

From the Strom Thurman wing of the party no doubt. ;)

34. ms_xeno - 30 October 2007

It was hilarious watching the YouTube videos of Horowitz disintegrating over a few scruffy protesters turning their backs on him and a couple of stray hecklers during his Q&A.

Not so tough without his back-up, is he ? Poor baby.

35. melvin - 30 October 2007

ms_x — from 29,

That is a bit of a surprise about M county budget, probably shouldn\’t be.

Assuming you don\’t want to spray Round-Up, one way you can get rid of your grass is to smother it out. You could lay down plastic, or overlapping sheets of newspaper. On top of that, put something a little less unattractive, like several inches of leaves, leaf mold, etc. You can either wait a few months and remove it all, or better yet just wait a while and then plan directly into this, chopping out an area for whatever you want to plant, bushes etc, out of plastic and all. The newspaper actually works better.

No hauling off, no rototilling, no chemical input. But it does require some patience. You could pick out just a couple critical areas per year to work on. This incremental approach is the way I have to do things. For the part of my place that does need water, I always wanted to put in auto underground sprinklers to get out of hauling hose, etc but it seemed so daunting until I finally realized it wasn\’t necessary to do all at once. I did just the most troublesome third and it helped a lot.

36. marisacat - 30 October 2007

geez loueez… just saw this in the TO email:

Ann Wright | Banned From Canada for a Year for War Protest

TruthOut link

Ann Wright, writing for Truthout, says,

“After nearly four hours of interrogation, I was told by the senior immigration officer I was banned from Canada for one year for failure to provide appropriate documents that would overcome the exclusion order I had been given in early October because of conviction of misdemeanors (all payable by fines) in the United States.”

37. BooHooHoo, -Man - 30 October 2007

Mike Barnacle:

Barak Obama says virtually nothing.

The Context: MSNBC Barnacle Scarborough Todd are nodding in agreement that Obama is taking a dive for Hillary , not rockin the boat, runnin for Veep…..

So now, you have all these young peeps or older Alter Elvis seekers – *(Fools Rush In)… How many folks have been TOTALLY “Punked/Owned” however they say, with this faux Gate Crasher/ “Gimme Your Money” – Routine.????

Enter the Sheep Herders:

Cenk in the Armor , From the cheap seat on the side
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Leave Hillary Alone
by Cenk Uygur
Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 11:01:32 AM PDT

Hillary Clinton has been coming under a bunch of absurd personal attacks lately. Fox News even had a “body language expert” come on to talk about her evil laugh. I certainly have my policy differences with Senator Clinton but this is silly.

So we put together a video with a special “star” appearance to defend Hillary Clinton against these
___________________________________________

Whiner, with the self/sheepherding explanatory title:

I Am So Freaking Sick Of Primary Season
by Hunter
Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 10:59:16 AM PDT

__________________________________________________________

Oh Waiter! Busboy MAMZ explains , its not even his “day job”…LOL

The Cult of the Professional
by kos
Tue Oct 30, 2007 at 09:20:14 AM PDT
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What will become to the nerdboy hall monitors with all the conformity so soon? . I suppose the could move more directly into the mutual unspeakables.

LOL. Edwards BETTER break the fuck out,
if only to save an online community from
a relentless year of Elise on Flounder’emarounderisms.

Either way, it looks to be a good year for pot shots with all the dangly distractors sure to be hung from the tacky orange crib while Momma and Big Dawg are at work.

38. marisacat - 30 October 2007

LOL. Edwards BETTER break the fuck out,

hmm latest poll out of Iowa was not promising… Hill at 28, Obama at 26 and Edwards, who has spent three years in Iowa, LOL at ….

…. big ol’ 20.

Just one polll but not promising.

39. marisacat - 30 October 2007

Murtha Inc … from the WSJ

40. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

Yeh he’s toast. He’ll be kept afloat as a sparring partner in the MSM
Then Hill’s Surrogacy apparatus will kill ‘im with the 400 dollar ‘doo and hair primping bit…

41. BooHooHooMan - 30 October 2007

I noticed Clark was sitting by the computer today and diligently tapped out a personal diary for DailyKos. Hhyahrite.

Some blubber about Don’t attack Iran ( thanks General )
then closed it with “… got to catch a flight.” LOL
How much is the op/intern getting paid to post it? 5-6 hundred a week?

‘d be willing to wager Clinton goes with Clark.
Certainly somebody with DOD pedigree.

And the Truth is , the country wants to be sheepherded.

Despite what the polls say about Iraq, the sheeple will accept a modifed Shhllock and Awe or better packaged Go Team Go Ooh rah message..Right up until the last nickle is used on the credit cards.

Time to get out.

42. marisacat - 30 October 2007

Clark was on Tavis lst night or recently (it’s all a blurrrrr)… I could see her pikcing him as he is completely controllable (except in tense battle moments up against Gen Jackson, LOL)…

But i have read a couple articles (around close of 2Q), pretty low key and dispassionate (as in not pro Obama or anyone else) that she has faltered badly in fundraising in the “inner West”, Mt West… and now they are saying in the SW as well.

Ma’am needs a Western Mountain Man. hell they sold Shuler to Asheville NC as a “mountain man”.

So I am guessing she comes farhter west than an Ark. boy.

Just a guess. But there will be a place for Clark. Good Doggie… ;)

43. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

Howard Dean on Hardball defending Hillary and the gang on their statements to keep troops permanently in Iraq.

Well Howard, you had one good year in your life, 2003. It’s mediocrity from now on.

BTW, did anybody hear the interview with Mario Lozono (the guy who shot Giuliana Sgrena’s bodyguard?

Jesus Fing Christ what a complete cretin. If that’s the kind of person we’re sending to Iraq we all deserve to go to the block at Nuremberg.

44. marisacat - 30 October 2007

I’d add 2002 for Howard…

I was just pulling up the DN! interview on Sgrena..

His quote is awful. As awful as everything else.

“She knows that if she’s going to go talk to terrorists, she knows there’s a 99 percent chance she will get caughtŠ It’s not my fault, it’s not America’s fault,
it’s not the Italian government’s fault, it’s Sgrena’s fault.”

45. pinche_gatita - 30 October 2007

Various world news headlines, might be of interest:

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1004

46. marisacat - 30 October 2007

for anyone interested:

Link to DN! Sgrena

47. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

His quote is awful. As awful as everything else.

You can really see why Petreus’s flak is going after Greenwald and just how a lot of these right wing blogs didn’t come out of nowhere, that they’re fronts for the US military.

Someday these people are going to come home.

And for every Scott Ritter or Adam Kokesh you get a Mario Lozono.

But seriousy, LISTEN to the interview. The guy’s voice just adds to it. He makes Rocky Balboa sound like William F. Buckley.

48. marisacat - 30 October 2007

thanks pinche g… ;)

***********************

I am very cold blooded about what is “coming home”.

Killers are coming home. I deeply resented this war before it broke out (and did not support Afghanistan either, but this was always bigger) because of the decades of fucking bullshit, every thing from pro war propaganda, the new version of Rocky! crap (talk about crapflooding!) that will follow the core of the war.

Like Howard saying elect a Democrat to “end the war”. argh.

all of it. Hated it from minute one, spring summer of 2002.

49. Miss Devore - 30 October 2007

meteor blades has an fp post at dk, with his “challenge” to the Dems tonight—will they get out of Iraq by 2017?

and fuck Clark:

said of Iran: ” And now they are, by every indication, seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.”

50. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

How to phrase the Iran question in a way that Donkecrats can understand.

There is no more crisis with Iran than there is with Social Security

51. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

Gravel’s banned from tonight’s debates. Is Kucinich in?

52. marisacat - 30 October 2007

65 days (to iowa on Jan 3) of ”churn” political writing coming up… gah.

53. ms_xeno - 30 October 2007

MB is kind of our answer to Zelig, isn’t he ? He’s been everywhere and done everything important. They have proof. We are not fit to kiss the hem of his gleaming blue garment.

And yet, he is utterly colorless and bereft of any personality, coming across in these little episodes much as the rest of the whiners and foot-stomping beggars do.

54. ms_xeno - 30 October 2007

melvin:

Yeah, the piecemeal approach is what I’ve got right now. Some lovely sedums that the neighbors traded me for my confederate violets. They weren’t doing so well at first, but we elevated them and added more rocks and sand to the soil. Now they couldn’t be happier, although I need to get out there with some drinks for the slugs. :p

Well, like most Americans, I have this gratification problem. I want it all done yesterday, damn it !! :p

55. ms_xeno - 30 October 2007

Sleepy. [blush]

Meant to say that we’d done the cover-the-grass-approach in a big 12′ strip near the driveway before the sedums went in. So far, so good.

56. Gayle - 30 October 2007

“Gravel’s banned from tonight’s debates.”

I see no reason to watch then. There wasn’t any real reason to watch any of them, but I did catch one. Gravel was the one only telling (really YELLING) some truths.

He shouted: “THEY ARE DYING IN VAIN!!” I thought, finally someone’s saying something. Finally.

Of course, he’s been deemed a crackpot. He may well be a crackpot. So many messengers are.

57. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

Any Mac fanatics here?

I just saw what Leopard looks like and I’m tempted to buy a Mac (in spite of the fact that I just bought a high powered Dell workstation a year ago).

A little shove could push me over the edge. “Time Machine” looks like the best backup program I’ve ever seen.

58. Gayle - 30 October 2007

Oh noes!

I’ve been moderated. Was it because I said something nice about Gravel? Has he been banned here, too?

I watched almost every one of the last primary debates. I stayed tune mainly for Sharpton who, again being the one without any chance in hell, wasn’t afraid to actually say something once in a while. And he does have a way with words, doesn’t he? Gave them some entertainment value. I’m finding it hard to remember who else ran, that’s how boring that line up was. There was Sharpton of course, Kerry (duh), Dean and. . . who? Geez, it was only a couple of years ago, too. Oh yeah, Clark. He was awful in the debates.

59. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

Looks incredible

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html

Backs up your hard drive every hour and since you use Firewire (which uses no processer cycles) you barely know it’s going on.

I’m see what people see in Macs.

60. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

Gravel’s banned from tonight’s debates.

Banned? Why?

(And hi all…)

61. Hair Club for Men - 30 October 2007

Banned? Why?

I guess the stated reason is that he’s polling high enough.

62. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

Matthews on Hardball about the timing of the primaries: “We’re picking the leader of the world…”

Oh fuck you, Matthews. Really.

63. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

I guess the stated reason is that he’s polling high enough.

I assume there’s supposed to be a “not” in there? So what. They should still let him show up, afaic. I think you got the “stated” part right. His message is too much of a threat to the establishment.

64. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

ms_xeriscape – Trust you’re already familiar with the drought-resistant virtues and fragrant, blooming delights of groundcover-by-creeping thyme?

Speaking of herbs, where’s catnip? Hope I didn’t scare her away with my Canadian passport guarantor yammer a few (highly intermittent) weeks back? (No, I didn’t need a signature in blood, sllllly grrrrrl, nor in any of that Oilberta bubbling crude, neither . . . just the usual simple maple products, of course! Hell on the fountain pens, but way less invasive.)

So if you’re out there, ms-nip-nip-nip-but-don’t-commit, fuggedaboudit anyhow! I was just kidding. Got my good friend the red-diaper baby to vouch for me. Who better than someone who’s known you since you were 20 . . . a pillar of the Montreal ESL community who was once approached by a CIA recruiter while working as a bathroom attendant in a revolving disco in Berlin, a job she held to pick up a little extra Western cash to augment her translator’s salary on the other side of Checkpoint Charlie, back when the Wall still stood tall? Like a good Canadian, she declined, then supped well on the story for years! (And as the Iranian passport photo/souvenir shop guy said, at least I’m not from the Middle East.)

So now, herbal one, I only request that you cross your fronds for a second, and join me in hoping that all my letters of passage are being suitably processed in some vast, officially francophone facility in Gatineau. Merci. Trust you’re well yourself.

And as long as I’m catching up with (arrrgh!) pleasantries, and you’re (aargh!) reading them, here’s a few more: Hope Baby’s hanging in there, Mcat; best wishes with the move, Miss D; good luck with the new gig, Revisionist; and bon voyage, Sabrina, you undercover colleen. Nice to see ya, melvin. I think you’re overdue for a Pff diary, BHHM. And a shout-out to lucid, Madman, and Hair Club – no offense intended to classicists, pantheist, philosophers, or poets with my “fuck the ancients” exasperation around the time of the teen pizza-party shooting story. Just an attack of old-dead-white-guys-kids-ain’t-heard-of spleen, I guess. Pardon my trucker mouth.

Speaking of which, sometimes you’ve just got to hand it to the Onion.
Country Music Stars Challenge Al-Qaeda With Patriotic New Song ‘Bomb New York’.

Found via American Coprophagia . . . which I found blogdrooled at
Cursor. Full circle to my first steps out on the bloggy brick road, way back when.

And given all the HTML-étouffée above, I hereby submit this entry to spam.

65. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Ha! I’ve summoned her!

Spell with excess HTML is in spam.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

No, it was that he hadn’t raised enough money.

All Things Considered, October 30, 2007 · Gregory Chase, a 27-year-old hedge fund manager from Nashua, N.H., placed an ad in a dozen newspapers offering NBC $1 million if the network lets former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel participate in Tuesday night’s Democratic presidential primary debate.

NBC made a decision two weeks ago that Gravel could not participate — citing that only candidates who had raised $1 million could participate in the debate.

Chase talks with Robert Siegel.

Funny, from what I remember from civics you had to be a certain age and born in the US to be Preztledent. Apparently there was a cover charge amendment passed sometime along the way.

67. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Vaulting pole tax.

68. sabrina - 30 October 2007

Hi Catnip, I was going to ask about you! Missed your posts. :-)

Gravel banned? How can they do that? Isn’t he a legitimate candidate?

Going to check out a headline I saw earlier about Iran. I think it said that war may be ‘off the table’ but I find that hard to believe. I was in a rush so didn’t read the article but if true, that would be good news for a change.

69. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

OK, gonna try again with that monster spamloaf:
ms_xeriscape – Trust you’re already familiar with the drought-resistant virtues and fragrant, blooming delights of groundcover-by-creeping thyme?

Speaking of herbs, where’s catnip? Hope I didn’t scare her away with my Canadian passport guarantor yammer a few (highly intermittent) weeks back? (No, I didn’t need a signature in blood, sllllly grrrrrl, nor in any of that Oilberta bubbling crude, neither . . . just the usual simple maple products, of course! Hell on the fountain pens, but way less invasive.)

So if you’re out there, ms-nip-nip-nip-but-don’t-commit, fuggedaboudit anyhow! I was just kidding. Got my good friend the red-diaper baby to vouch for me. Who better than someone who’s known you since you were 20 . . . a pillar of the Montreal ESL community who was once approached by a CIA recruiter while working as a bathroom attendant in a revolving disco in Berlin, a job she held to pick up a little extra Western cash to augment her translator’s salary on the other side of Checkpoint Charlie, back when the Wall still stood tall? Like a good Canadian, she declined, then supped well on the story for years! (And as the Iranian passport photo/souvenir shop guy said, at least I’m not from the Middle East.)

So now, herbal one, I only request that you cross your fronds for a second, and join me in hoping that all my letters of passage are being suitably processed in some vast, officially francophone facility in Gatineau. Merci. Trust you’re well yourself.

And as long as I’m catching up with (arrrgh!) pleasantries, and you’re (aargh!) reading them, here’s a few more: Hope Baby’s hanging in there, Mcat; best wishes with the move, Miss D; good luck with the new gig, Revisionist; and bon voyage, Sabrina, you undercover colleen. Nice to see ya, melvin. I think you’re overdue for a Pff diary, BHHM. And a shout-out to lucid, Madman, and Hair Club – no offense intended to classicists, pantheist, philosophers, or poets with my “fuck the ancients” exasperation around the time of the teen pizza-party shooting story. Just an attack of old-dead-white-guys-kids-ain’t-heard-of spleen, I guess. Pardon my trucker mouth.

Speaking of which, sometimes you’ve just got to hand it to the Onion.
Country Music Stars Challenge Al-Qaeda With Patriotic New Song ‘Bomb New York’.

Found via American Coprophagia . . . which I found blogdrooled at
Cursor. Full circle to my first steps out on the bloggy brick road, way back when.

And given all the HTML-étouffée above, I hereby submit this entry to spam.

70. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Two sets of mega-greetings in the spam pantry. . . but till they emerge, here’s a single link to an item about an early October BBC interview with the Archibishop of Canterbury, found at the blog American Coprophagia. A snippet of Rowan Williams’ remarks, after visiting Syria and meeting with Iraqi and Palestinian refugees:

I do think that two things are clear: that the effect on Christian communities in the region was gravely under estimated, and that the scale of the refugee problem was gravely underestimated. Now what we have at the moment is a refugee problem in the Middle East of almost unprecedented scale. We’ve already got the Palestinian refugee problem and I also visited some Palestinian refugees on the outskirts of Beirut; we now have on top of that another million and a half – and growing – number of Iraqi refugees and this is where, when people talk about further destablilising the region, when you read about some American political advisers speaking about action against Syria and Iran, I can only say that I regard that as criminal, ignorant and potentially murderous folly.

71. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

And from the remarks of this particular blog entry’s author – speakingcorpse:

Williams would not refer to the Iran situation if he were not very afraid of imminent mega-disaster. He measures his pronouncements carefully and has a very conflicted constituency to answer to. This interview means that he has high-level sources in the British government who are telling him what is coming; so this interview confirms the recent Hersh stories. The Iran war is going to happen, and it is going to happen because both Democrats and Republicans want it to happen. In February 2007, Bush said to Robert Draper (author of “Dead Certain”), “I’m an October-November man.” He was getting off on coyly hinting at his big new “decision” and when “we” in the “citizenry” would get to watch it happen. He also said: “The danger is that the United States won’t stay engaged.” And he added, “The problem is that in an ideological war, stability isn’t the answer to the root cause of why people kill and terrorize.” The good of “instability” is neo-con doctrine. Note that Williams heard the same thing; thus his fear of so-called “deliberate destabilisation.” Bush also proudly told Draper: “I’m not afraid to make decisions.”

If Dubya’s gonna do it, he probably better beat Christmas (cough) shopping (cough) season, this year. Recessions ain’t good for new product.

72. Miss Devore - 30 October 2007

{waves hello to catnip}

73. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Clearly Marisacat is offloading catcans, cleaning up puke, or otherwise desporting herself, so I’ll break down my mega-greetings to bits.

From the top:

ms_xeriscape – Trust you’re already familiar with the drought-resistant virtues and fragrant, blooming delights of groundcover-by-creeping thyme?

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

Nanette and Theoria have us not only up and running again, but Nanette tossed up a template that looks okay, so I thought I’d show my appreciation by spewing more scorn on the worthless donks:

Not that I want to write anything in agreement with Crawford’s village idiot, but he’s right. The Vichy Donks are wasting time.

They will pass nothing of consequence until they make the rightist spin on government toxic, and they can’t do that until they show how empty and corrupt it is. They can’t matter until they show that the Republicans are truly dangerous to civil society and human life. Running down lists of vetoed bills and grand plans for more tinkering with what’s left of the social safety net for a narrow band of the shrinking middle class is playing right into the winger’s hands, reinforcing a narrative that they have sharpened and used repeatedly for decades now. Remember how well it worked for Kerry?

They can’t do anything WITHOUT launching more investigations, REAL investigations, investigations within the context of an impeachment trial.

75. moiv - 30 October 2007

The darling of the criminalization mob moves toward supporting Giuliani: Anti-abortion group defends Brownback-Giuliani talks

The Romney camp must be in meltdown, because they know Brownback can deliver the Catholic anti-abortion vote.

76. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

OK, clearly Marisacat is offloading catcans, cleaning up feline puke, or otherwise sipping at the chocolate fountains of life. So I’m gonna break up the mega-greetings into spam-resistant nuggets.

Here goes, from the top:

ms_xeriscape – Trust you’re already familiar with the drought-resistant virtues and fragrant, blooming delights of creeping thyme?

77. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

(test)

78. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Part 2 of mega-greetings resumes:

Speaking of herbs, where’s catnip? Hope I didn’t scare her away with my Canadian passport guarantor yammer a few (highly intermittent) weeks back? (No, I didn’t need a signature in blood, sllllly grrrrrl, nor in any of that Oilberta bubbling crude, neither . . . just the usual simple maple products, of course! Hell on the fountain pens, but way less invasive.)

So if you’re out there, ms-nip-nip-nip-but-don’t-commit, fuggedaboudit anyhow! I was just kidding. Got my good friend the red-diaper baby to vouch for me. Who better than someone who’s known you since you were 20 . . . a pillar of the Montreal ESL community who was once approached by a CIA recruiter while working as a bathroom attendant in a revolving disco in Berlin, a job she held to pick up a little extra Western cash to augment her translator’s salary on the other side of Checkpoint Charlie, back when the Wall still stood tall? Like a good Canadian, she declined, then supped well on the story for years! (And as the Iranian passport photo/souvenir shop guy said, at least I’m not from the Middle East.)

So now, herbal one, I only request that you cross your fronds for a second, and join me in hoping that all my letters of passage are being suitably processed in some vast, officially francophone facility in Gatineau. Merci. Trust you’re well yourself.

79. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Part 3:
And as long as I’m catching up with (arrrgh!) pleasantries, and you’re (aargh!) reading them, here’s a few more: Hope Baby’s hanging in there, Mcat; best wishes with the move, Miss D; good luck with the new gig, Revisionist; and bon voyage, Sabrina, you undercover colleen. Nice to see ya, melvin. I think you’re overdue for a Pff diary, BHHM. And a shout-out to lucid, Madman, and Hair Club – no offense intended to classicists, pantheist, philosophers, or poets with my “fuck the ancients” exasperation around the time of the teen pizza-party shooting story. Just an attack of old-dead-white-guys-kids-ain’t-heard-of spleen, I guess. Pardon my trucker mouth.

Speaking of which, sometimes you’ve just got to hand it to the Onion.
Country Music Stars Challenge Al-Qaeda With Patriotic New Song ‘Bomb New York’.

Found via American Coprophagia . . . which I found blogdrooled at
Cursor. Full circle to my first steps out on the bloggy brick road, way back when.

80. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

One more try for Part 1:

ms_xeriscape – Trust you’re already familiar with the drought-resistant virtues and fragrant, blooming delights of groundcover via creeping thyme?

81. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

Seabiscuit ’08!

82. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Part 1 of greetings (addressed to ms xeriscape) will have to await MCat’s kind ministrations. As soon as she’s finished stocking the chocolate fountain with cat cans.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

Code Pink Punks ‘Politico’ in Blackwater Hoax

NEW YORK With all of the news about Blackwater USA’s problems, it wasn’t a surprise that a fake story about the company creating a “Department of Corporate Integrity” would make it on to several valid news sites.

CBS News and Politico.com were among the victims of the fraud, reportedly perpetuated by Code Pink, according to Politico, which posted a correction today. CBS reprinted a Politico story on its site.

“In this business, you sometimes come across news items and think, ‘You couldn’t make that stuff up.’ Well, sometimes you can,” Politico reported in its note. “Code Pink today pulled off a hoax that pulled in Politico and a number of other news outlets when it ginned up a fake release, saying that Blackwater USA was creating a new ‘Department of Corporate Integrity’ that would put the ‘mercy back in mercenary.’ That should have been a tip off.”

“We do some silly things, but we didn’t do that,” Anne Tyrrell, a spokesperson for Blackwater USA, told Politico.

The punch line of Code Pink’s story?

The money line from the release: Blackwater plans “to put the mercy back in mercenary.”

84. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

I think Hillary’s getting her pompous, hawkish ass handed to her on a plate.

Pee break.

85. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

put the ‘mercy back in mercenary.’ That should have been a tip off.”

We do some silly things, but we didn’t do that,” Anne Tyrrell, a spokesperson for Blackwater USA, told Politico.

Despite a brilliant effort, Code Pink lost the Irony Championship to Blackwater. You just can’t make some stuff up.

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

Anything interesting, Catnip?

I just can’t watch that shit anymore. “Reaper” is much more entertaining, and actually has more substance.

87. sabrina - 30 October 2007

This article from the BBC was the one I saw earlier regarding Iran starting its nuke program for energy. Found it on Pff.

Iran unveils nuclear plants plan

Monday, 29 October 2007, 17:00 GMT

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said Iran is to build a number of nuclear power stations to generate electricity.

Mr Ahmadinejad said he had decided to go ahead with the programme because energy security was such an important factor in Iran’s development.

Iranian officials announced plans last year to revive civilian nuclear activities but at the time they spoke of building a single power station.

The United States said it would offer its co-operation in the project. …

Not much else in the article about the US co-operating and I can’t find anything else on it so far.

88. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Dancing with the stars, myself. :)

89. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

Will Bunch is liveblogging it.

9:16: If there’s a debate drinking game, you should have to chug every time one of the candidates mentions “World War III.” We’d all be drunk by now.

Have they shown Kucinich’s wife yet?

9:13: Dodd on Iran and the Kyl-Lieberman bill: “Those 76 votes will come back and be waved in front of us as a justification.” Biden also talking sense: Iran war bluster means higher gas prices, hurts moderates in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Calls the idea of a “crusade” against Islam an “urban legend.”

9:10: Hillary on Iran: “I’m not in favor of a rush to war, but I’m not in favor of doing nothing.” That plays better to the general electorate than the Democratic primary voters. Finally, Dodd. Is Kucinich even in the house?

9:07: Interesting how they give John Edwards so much early face time. You know why? Because he’s saying the things about Hillary that Brian Williams and Chris Matthews wanted Obama to say. Good hit from Edwards: “I think it’s time we stand up to this president.”

Interestingly, Clinton changes the subject from Iran to Social Security. Obama handed her that issue on a silver platter.

90. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

Any Mac fanatics here?

My best friend loves her Mac. She’s really interested in the arts and photography, and has no patience for tech shit. She’s got last year’s iMac.

91. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

So now, herbal one, I only request that you cross your fronds for a second, and join me in hoping that all my letters of passage are being suitably processed in some vast, officially francophone facility in Gatineau.

Fronds crossed. :) And no, you didn’t scare me away. You’ll have to rty harder than that! I’ve been avoiding BlahBlahLand somewhat successfully.

#77. You’re not missing much, MiTM. They all started out piling on Hillary and then Richardson kind of called for a group hug (because he wants a post in her administration) and now, suddenly, they’re all saying it’s not about Hillary even though they’re still bringing up where they think she’s wrong. (Or something like that.) Oh, and I think Obama’s wearing eyeliner.

92. pinche_gatita - 30 October 2007

Director-General, International Atomic Energy Agency. (0.00 / 0)
Charlie Rose tonight

Mohamed Elbaradei

Tueday October 30, 2007

A conversation with Mohamed Elbaradei, Director-General, International Atomic Energy Agency.

http://www.charliero

93. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

And I think Dennis got to speak twice so far.

94. marisacat - 30 October 2007

SORRY!

Madman, Sabrina, IB and Gayle (2) out of Moderation…

sorry that it was a while…

8)

95. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Maybelline 08?

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

We are surrounded by fucking morons:

Zogby Poll: 52% Support U.S. Military Strike Against Iran

Most see Clinton as the presidential candidate best equipped to deal with Iran, followed by Giuliani and McCain—but many express uncertainty

A majority of likely voters – 52% – would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and 53% believe it is likely that the U.S. will be involved in a military strike against Iran before the next presidential election, a new Zogby America telephone poll shows.

The survey results come at a time of increasing U.S. scrutiny of Iran. According to reports from the Associated Press, earlier this month Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused Iran of “lying” about the aim of its nuclear program and Vice President Dick Cheney has raised the prospect of “serious consequences” if the U.S. were to discover Iran was attempting to devolop a nuclear weapon. Last week, the Bush administration also announced new sanctions against Iran.

Democrats (63%) are most likely to believe a U.S. military strike against Iran could take place in the relatively near future, but independents (51%) and Republicans (44%) are less likely to agree. Republicans, however, are much more likely to be supportive of a strike (71%), than Democrats (41%) or independents (44%). Younger likely voters are more likely than those who are older to say a strike is likely to happen before the election and women (58%) are more likely than men (48%) to say the same – but there is little difference in support for a U.S. strike against Iran among these groups.

97. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

Hillary just flubbed. She said she didn’t know the details of Rangel’s AMT tax (thingy) plan and then, a few minutes later, she said she doesn’t agree with everything in his plan. How would she have formed that opinion if she didn’t know the details? Either way, she’s being dishonest.

Maybelline 08?

lol…Arugala Maybelline?

98. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

w00t! Seabiscuit mentioned the “I” word twice. Everybody else just ignored it, of course.

99. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Dalai Maybellrugala for Preztledent! Seabiscuit for Department of Peace!

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

I’ll be impressed with him bringing up impeachment when he forces it onto the floor every day. Make the party shut him down, over and over again until they relent.

101. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Oh Maybelline, Why Can’t You Be True (Chuck Berry song, Replacements version, 1981)?

102. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

94 – Yeah.

If you wanna be Seabiscuit, make hot the trot.

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

if you want to be Seabiscuit, it’s not enough to come from behind, you need to be willing to go all out and break from the field.

104. marisacat - 30 October 2007

I think the party can’t stop forcing apologies and then the apologiser breaking into tears from the sheer stress. Or whatever.

So I expect Kuc to muel around for years. Talking impeachment (of someone), or ooops why can’t Hillary do this or that.

can it get more dispiriting?

A country that fully lies down for extended strikes against Iran… and watching the excuses then…

105. marisacat - 30 October 2007

here is something (I missed all of the evening news, local and national, so it may not be news):

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

SUPREME COURT GRANTS STAY OF EXECUTION TO MISS. DEATH ROW INMATE, EARL WESLEY BERRY, SCHEDULED TO BE PUT TO DEATH BY LETHAL INJECTION

For the full story click here: LINK.

http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

106. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

One more try for ms xeriscape, no-HTML version.

Instant gratification nothwithstanding, look into the drought-resistant virtues and fragrant, blooming delights of covering former lawn with some version of creeping thyme. If you’re not familiar, try googling it up at the U Washington Botanical Garden website for more.
Lovely stuff.

107. marisacat - 30 October 2007

IB

VERY SOPRRY I jsut found several efforts at xeriscape comments for ms xeno. Released from spam…

we just had an extended earth quake.

Not sure how big, as I am on rock, but one of the longest I have ever felt (was in Hawai’i for Loma Prieta”.

108. Miss Devore - 30 October 2007

earthquake here!

109. StupidAsshole - 30 October 2007

Felt like a 4.0 in the Mission in SF.

110. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

we just had an extended earth quake.

No doubt caused by the breath Hillary finally let out at the end of the debate.

Hope everything’s okay there.

111. Intermittent Bystander - 30 October 2007

Yoicks! No reports online yet but yours . . .

Hang on to your leopard-skin hats!

112. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007
113. marisacat - 30 October 2007

found a big comment from aunti hege in Spam… think s/he was calling out operatives.

*********

OFFICIAL

5.6 on the RICHTER

centered at Alum Rock in SJ…. on the Fremont border… a full 30 seconds in length…

8:05 pm

114. StupidAsshole - 30 October 2007
115. marisacat - 30 October 2007

Now he said “at least” 30 seconds.

It was long. Once i thought it was over, then it oikced up a bit and kept going.

woke the cat up.

116. StupidAsshole - 30 October 2007

Where are you, Mcat? In the City?

117. marisacat - 30 October 2007

the anti hege comment is way up thread at @ 31

the many IB efforts are sprinkled all thru…

sorry again… Moderation acts up, but for several weeks the Spam filter has been good.

Not today…

;(

118. marisacat - 30 October 2007

SA

right near Alta Plaza park… on solid rock.

you are in the Mission?

119. StupidAsshole - 30 October 2007

At the foot of Bernal Hill–so, even though we’re in the flatlands, we’re still on bed rock.

120. marisacat - 30 October 2007

116 SA

thanks for the usgs link.

It felt a lot like the pre quakes, to Loma Prieta… a couple of 5 + in August of 89. Tho I was up in the Embarcadero Center for both of those…

121. marisacat - 30 October 2007

119 –

agree, solid rock makes all the difference.

122. marisacat - 30 October 2007

Calaveras Faultline…

123. moiv - 30 October 2007

Mcat and SA

So glad you’re OK. Any word on everybody else in town?

124. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

I hope this it for you guys tonight.

125. liberalcatnip - 30 October 2007

Quake story from Mercury News. No major damage reported.

126. StupidAsshole - 30 October 2007

Miss Devore is way closer to the epicenter than either of us is, and she posted on PFF that she’s fine.

There are a couple of diaries on it on dKos: apparently people felt it as far north as the Russian River.

127. marisacat - 30 October 2007

they [nbc affilate in sj] said that section of the calaveras produces ”mild” quakes, so tho on a 72 hr quake watch, anything bigger would be mild

128. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007
129. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007
130. ms_xeno - 30 October 2007

Yikes. Stepped out for a couple of pizza slices (dinner) and halloween candy for tomorrow and came back to all this.

Mcat, no worries about the spam problems. I just want you all to be okay. All two-footed and four-footed types down South.

All right ?

IB, thyme and oregano are indeed godhead. Totally neglected the stuff I planted at the curb corners this year and they still looked nice. A few surviving rainflowers (S. Africa native, blooms in Fall) popped through the stuff a couple of weeks ago and some old ladies walking their dogs asked me about them. They do make a surreal contrast with all the fallen leaves and discarded trash. :/

131. marisacat - 30 October 2007

lol

thks madman…. did a couple sheets of manic mode………….

lol

132. marisacat - 30 October 2007

haven’t heard from earth to meg nad jut looked at SA’s diary at PFF, not there either… she is 23+ stories up, not too far from Financial District.

But Miss D was closest… and tho packed seemed not to have damage.

133. wu ming - 30 October 2007

didn’t feel anything out here i the valley, but even loma prieta felt like just a mild sense of nausea, so that’s not surprising. take care, everyone, hopefully this is not a preshock.

alphageek’s series of diaries a couple of years ago on disaster preparedness is worth rereading, if you’re anywhere near a fault. also, if it gets hairy and the cell phones cut out, try text messaging as a way to get word out efficiently. it helped me a lot in a 6.7 quake in taipei a couple of years ago.

134. marisacat - 30 October 2007

wu ming

thanks for the alphageek diaries… Post Katrina and esp as i read Arnold and Blackwater are so friendly – I have tried to get more real with being prepared for disaster.

They really want a big damaging shaker over in the lowlands of the E Bay, pull a Katrina and move people out. It is palpably clear.

NBC reported that cell phones and street lights cut out in parts of SJ…

135. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

bubblewrap is good, cheap therapy. Glad ya’ liked it, my friend!

136. sabrina - 30 October 2007

Earth to Meg is okay, she just posted in SA’s diary on Pff …

137. wu ming - 30 October 2007

the hayward fault letting loose would be the FEMA trifecta, after 9/11 in NYC and katrina in NOLA. got my fingers crossed for you guys (and the zillion other folks i know in the bay area; davis tends to export people there). ugh.

at one point AG was going to make a .pdf of that series, but he never did, to my knowledge. it struck me as a good thing to make into a small handbook, had i the skillz to do so.

138. wu ming - 30 October 2007

that’s a great bubblewrap site, madman. hours of fun to be had, on the manic mode.

139. earth to meg - 30 October 2007

Marisa, glad everyone is okay! Miss Devore sounds very close to it.

Very scary. I went under a table. :( It definitely felt like at least a 5, it kept reverberating up here. I don’t know what to do up here during the long ones, I was in a small house during Loma Prieta. Should I leave my unit? Just ride it out? . After it was over, nobody came out into the hallway on my floor.

Hope this will release some of the pressure off the faults. I’m still a little shaken. :(

140. marisacat - 30 October 2007

wu ming

just opened the alphageek diaries.. they look excellent.

I am in pre quake, 1903 wood frame on bedrock, so we just rock and roll in old style. In 89 not even the water in the cat bowls spilled, we got surface wall damage, wall paper and painted sufaces split on outside walls.

that was it.

***************


earth to meg…

glad you are OK. I agree, I like earthquakes but NOT THIS ONE. It appeared to slack off, there was a break then it picked up again. It was an odd one.

low long rumble.

It did not feel good.

141. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 October 2007

I don’t think I could deal with the earth moving like that. Ugh.

Good night everybody. Be well.

142. wu ming - 30 October 2007

the long ones are the scariest, because you never know if they’re just getting warmed up for something worse.

143. sabrina - 30 October 2007

Earth to Meg, that must have been frightening. I can’t imagine, never having experienced an earthquake. Sounds pretty terrifying.

Glad everyone is okay -

144. wu ming - 30 October 2007

oh, while we’re tossing around interesting links, this USGS map of the likelihood of CA aftershocks is pretty cool to watch.

145. marisacat - 30 October 2007

starting the alpha geek diaries… on the one on basics, water food heat energy – as you shelter in place.

Quite a few things I had not thought of. I see why wu ming would like ot make the series into an offline handbook.

Just excellent.

146. marisacat - 31 October 2007

1:19 am via BBC:

Scores of Burmese monks march through the streets of Pakkoku in their first public display since the military junta crackdown on protests.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Listening to ELBaradei on with Charlie… gah. I realise he is in a tough spot but geesh. Stuttering.

And Charlie pushes pushes: does Iran understand we need transparency?

Shit, how about us?

He submits a report close of next month, with whatever assessment he can make.

It does not sound good, frankly. Think we get a punt.

147. bayprairie - 31 October 2007

welcome back to catnip! hope everything went smoothly with the moove!.

and you california people need to hang in there. that’s got to be scary as hell.

HC said

Any Mac fanatics here?

yep. got my first one in 1989, a 2cii, and haven’t looked back since. been around scores of them. at present its an elegant interface and the software is very well designed. hardware, very good for a personal computer, but maybe not in the same league as the interface/apps. occasionally their drives have problems and go south. i also know of one recent instance in which the underlying software framework completely fried and needed a system reinstall. reinstalling the fried app didn’t cut it, and even a full restore from backup that included the system didn’t work. i would suspect their revamped backup app is partially designed to address such isolated incidences. the apple care is not a bad idea either.

after you purchase, you’re history to apple corp. every year a new cat comes out ready or not. you get to pony up. three months after you get the computer a newer faster one is out. also, real unix users sneer at the OS and therefore at you, and they have a case. you take a hit to be able to run unix without ever facing the command line. unix doesn’t lock up much. macintosh OS will on occasion.

you’re a good photographer though, and an excellent eye. photoshop is the reason to run mac OS. sure the app runs on wintel. not the same! it just doesn’t feel right.

148. Intermittent Bystander - 31 October 2007

SF Chronicle this morning:

The magnitude-5.6 earthquake that hit at 54 seconds past 8:04 p.m. Tuesday caused dynamic shaking along the southern segment of the Calaveras Fault and heightened the possibility of more quakes farther north along the much more dangerous Hayward Fault, scientists said.

They confirm it was the biggest to hit the Bay area since Loma Prieta.

Instruments all around the U.S. Geological Survey’s seismic-monitoring network reported that the fault ruptured at a depth of 5.7 miles and the shaking was felt as far north as Eugene, Ore. Parts of the Bay Area felt the shaking for up to 15 seconds.

David Oppenheimer of the USGS said that although the quake was felt as a strong jolt over a wide region, it was more significant because it doubtless caused what scientists call “stress changes” in the southern section of the Calaveras Fault as well as the Hayward.

Earthquakes and hurricanes – two good reasons for Northeasterners to refrain from bitching about blizzards.

Be safe, everybody!

149. Hair Club for Men - 31 October 2007

but maybe not in the same league as the interface/apps. occasionally their drives have problems and go south.

I bought this Dell Precision 380 last year. The month after I got it, one of the harddrives died. It was configured in Raid 0 so I had two. Dell gives you a three year warranty on these things and the tech comes to your house. But the tech that came to my house replaced the good hard drive and left the bad one in. A few months later, the power supply died. The same tech came and replaced it, with a bad power supply. So I had to call him back. And s on.

i would suspect their revamped backup app is partially designed to address such isolated incidences. the apple care is not a bad idea either.

The major appeal. Windows NT back is literally unusable. For third party backup programs (almost as bad) you pay a few hundred dollars.

real unix users sneer at the OS and therefore at you, and they have a case. you take a hit to be able to run unix without ever facing the command line.

I’m very much a “real unix user”. I’m running FreeBSD on an old desktop and Ubuntu on an old Thinkpad. Ubuntu Linux is nice but with Linux color profiling and wireless cards are still primitive.

150. Hair Club for Men - 31 October 2007

Kucinich and UFO question. Groan.

151. sabrina - 31 October 2007

It looks like Rockefeller has decided to support the protection of the telecom companies who broke the law regarding spying on the American people.

Interesting since when this story first broke, Bush claimed that members of Congress had been briefed on the illegal program and were ‘on board’ with it.

Rockefeller denied that and produced a letter he had written to Cheney expressing his ‘concerns’ about the program. He was so worried about the possible illegality of it, but claimed he could not even discuss it with a lawyer (it was classified) that he wrote a letter which he kept hidden in a safe so show that he had concerns and was not on board.

Senator Sounded Alarm in 2003

John D. Rockefeller IV, a wealthy man representing a poor state, had been the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee for six months when he sat down to a secret briefing on July 17, 2003. What he heard alarmed him so much that immediately afterward he wrote two identical letters, by hand, expressing his concerns.

He sent one to Vice President Cheney and placed the other — as he pointedly warned Cheney he would — in a safe in case anyone in the future might challenge his version of what happened. Rockefeller proved prophetic. Yesterday the 21-year Senate veteran from West Virginia released his copy of the letter — which when written, was so sensitive he dared not allow a staffer to read it, let alone type it.

In eight sentences on two sheets of Senate letterhead, Rockefeller wrote obliquely of “the sensitive intelligence issues we discussed today.” Yesterday, after confirming with White House officials that the letter contains no classified information, the senator said the briefing’s topic was the National Security Agency’s expanded surveillance of Americans, publicly disclosed last week by the New York Times and now at the center of a political furor.

That was then. Now, Rockefeller has written a letter to the WaPo explaining why he thinks private corporations who complied with requests from the WH to spy on Americans, should not be held accountable.

Partners in the War on Terror

The president’s warrantless surveillance program and his decision to go it alone — without input from Congress or the courts — have had devastating consequences. One is that private companies, which would normally comply with legitimate national security requests, now have incentive to say no.

Here’s why. Within weeks of the 2001 attacks, communications companies received written requests and directives for assistance with intelligence activities authorized by the president. These companies were assured that their cooperation was not only legal but also necessary because of their unique technical capabilities. They were also told it was their patriotic duty to help protect the country after the devastating attacks on our homeland.

Glenn Greenwald (via armando at DD) is shocked that Rockefeller would introduce a bill to try to get amnesty for the telecom companies. The disgraceful Jay Rockefeller

But when you remember that there were several members of congress, including Jane Harman once again, who were made aware of the program and in the case of Rockefeller at least, felt his hands were tied and he could not do anything to stop it, is it a surprise that he would want to excuse others for standing by while this administration tore the Constitution to shreds?

I do not buy Rockefellers excuse for remaining silent at the time. He cleverly tried to cover himself by writing that letter. The letter he should have written to Cheney was a copy of his oath of office and a declaration that classifying illegal shredding of the Constitution did not protect them as the issue was so enormous and clearly put members of Congress who were briefed, in the position of either protecting the Constitution or going along with the WH’s illegal activities.

Seems to me that Rockefeller knew what was happening, his letter demonstrates that. I admit it was a difficult decision but defending the country against ‘all enemies, both foreign and domestic’ was never going to be easy.

A warning to Cheney that he felt his duty gave him a choice, defend the Constitution or defend the abuse of power clearly being engaged in by the administration was the right thing to do. He did not do that but covered himself which shows how aware he was of the seriousness of the issue. Nor did any of the others who were aware of the law-breaking.

I think when you take all this into consideration, it explains why Rockefeller is sympathetic to the telecom corps who broke the law. He understands fearing reprisals from the WH and feels they are being persecuted now for their cooperation.

Harman, Rockefeller and anyonoe else who attended that briefing should step down and the telecom corps should never be protected for their cooperation with the WH in breaking the law.

Even if he did not want to reveal the info he had at the time, knowing he did not have the courage to publicly challenge them, the least he should have done was to step down, imo. Same goes for the rest of them.

But it’s no surprise to me that he wants amnesty for them remembering his own role in this.

152. sabrina - 31 October 2007

Think I’m in spam – something on Rockefeller ….

Meantime according to Breaking News, Karen Hughes has resigned, again! lol.

Seems she was selling the US ‘image’ overseas! Or something.

153. ms_xeno - 31 October 2007

It’s always time to argue about Macs and PCs. Again. :p

Glad that there hasn’t been any more quake action, at least so far.

I routinely fantasize about throwing my Mac against the wall. :D

154. Hair Club for Men - 31 October 2007

Nader’s sueing the Democratic Party and may run against Hillary.

Liz Holtzman seems to have been one of the main Democratic Party thugs.

Weird, she’s pro-impeachment and has been involved in some very radical groups supporting it.

Who do you trust anymore?

155. wozzle - 31 October 2007

More hilarity from under the orange tent.

Jane Harmeltdown?

156. ms_xeno - 31 October 2007

National March Against Hate Crimes on 11/3/07, in support of Megan Williams.

America does not want to this tragedy to be exposed and have to deal with the underbelly of racism and resurgence of hate crimes throughout the country.

Hat tip to MarketTrustee at PFF.

157. liberalcatnip - 31 October 2007

Hi bay prairie! And sabrina and Miss D and everyone. I’m moving in 2 weeks. Yay (in some aspects).

Karen Hughes resigned again? The world is better off.

As far as ElBaradei goes: missed him on Rose but he warned the US this week about slipping into the abyss (WW3).

WASHINGTON (AP) — The head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Sunday he had no evidence Iran was working actively to build nuclear weapons and expressed concern that escalating rhetoric from the U.S. could bring disaster.

“We have information that there has been maybe some studies about possible weaponization,” said Mohamed ElBaradei, who leads the International Atomic Energy Agency. “That’s why we have said that we cannot give Iran a pass right now, because there is still a lot of question marks.”

“But have we seen Iran having the nuclear material that can readily be used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No.”
[...]
“My fear is that if we continue to escalate from both sides that we will end up into a precipice, we will end up into an abyss. As I said, the Middle East is in a total mess, to say the least. And we cannot add fuel to the fire,” ElBaradei added.

But it’s not like Bushco listens to him anyway. Saw another news story that day that had the White House refuting his claims so it really doesn’t matter what his upcoming report says. If Bush wants to attack, he will.

158. liberalcatnip - 31 October 2007

#154. lol…poor kossacks. Harman (apparently) uses the word “rubbish” and asks “Got a better idea?” and they’re just appalled. I think she should have gone one step further and called them “wankers”. ;)

159. liberalcatnip - 31 October 2007

Oh and Happy Halloween!

160. ms_xeno - 31 October 2007

Hughes will probably go into the handbag business. I know that’s going great for Clinton I’s old flame. What’s her name again ? :/

161. liberalcatnip - 31 October 2007

Hughes will probably go into the handbag business.

Maybe she and Condi (the shoe maven) can set up a little boutique. Heels ‘R Us.

162. wozzle - 31 October 2007

Start-up funding from Imelda Marcos? They could pay her back in product…

163. liberalcatnip - 31 October 2007

Another boutique name: Hell in a Handbag

Start-up funding from Imelda Marcos?

Fashionistas unite!

Although, to be true to their roots, they should really include a new perfume: Eau de Snake Oil

164. marisacat - 31 October 2007

Found Sabrina’s comment in Spam… It is up there, at comment # 151

Sorry!!

165. marisacat - 31 October 2007

per ABC’s The Note, Guiliani just brought Joe Allbaugh on board.

gah.

166. lucid - 31 October 2007

Glad everyone in the SF area is fine & dandy. I hope we never get any of those in NYC. That would suck.

167. cad - 31 October 2007

Hey Kos (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:peace voter, Mr Stagger Lee

Can tell you are an ex-Republican!

You are obsessed with money.

Many of us are obsessed with Democracy!

Malcolm

All Bush is saying is “Give War a Chance.” No John Lennon, he.

by malc19ken on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 11:07:39 AM PDT

168. Miss Devore - 31 October 2007

catnip et al.—I’m moving from my current Shaking City on the Hill, starting today (and hopefully finishing tomorrow)–well, actually only about 6 blocks away. Still, I have been in this specific place since ’99, and things accumulate….yesterday I had to decide to throw away a xerox of an article entitled “Yalalag Weaving; its Economic, Aesthetic and Social Nexus.” I had a really good anthro class in late 70’s or early eighties, and I kept all these articles…I think I went back to look at one, once. Pressure is good when moving, as is being unable to afford movers aside from friends with truck. I know before it is all over, I will be just throwing unrelated items in bags: my late father’s college diplomas, a bag of chickpeas, shampoo & voter’s registration; one of those must be useful, and I’ll hope I can find it when I need it.

Damn, I have a little folder on my desktop labeled “Hughes” –is she gone off the prepare things in Paraguay? I await medal of freedom ceremony for all her contributions towards improving our relations with the Muslim world.

I loved Hell in a Handbag!

169. lucid - 31 October 2007

cad – no troll rate on that comment? Bet it will be hidden before long.

170. cad - 31 October 2007

Kos is actually getting slapped pretty hard in the thread for again gatekeeping with his premise that Kucinich and Biden and Gravel should be cut out of the debates, y’know, because they’re too icky liberal and don’t have big media/corporations behind them. Plus thy’re actual progressives. Check it out, there’s a lot of nice insults being hurled at this whiny little republican boy-jock.

171. Hair Club for Men - 31 October 2007

At this point, I think that Kunich, Paul and Gravel become less interesting.

In a lot of ways they’ve done all they’re really good for, deligitimizing the early start to the 2008 elections and reframing the debate. But Kucinich is obviously a fairly weak candidate. Gravel doesn’t have an organization and Paul is far too right wing on social issues.

And now Edwards, Obama and even Biden and Dodd have started slamming Hillary and Rudy in almost the exact same ways. They all seem significantly to the left of Dean, who wouldn’t admit that the “war is wrong” only that it was a “mistake”.

Obama’s also done a slightly more moderate version of Paul’s reactionary social ideas by picking up Donny McLurkin and the social security issue.

None of it matters. 2008 is set. Hillary the oligarch who wants to give your jobs to illegals vs. any one of several interchangable right wingers.

The goal should be to deligitimize this election. We need a third party candidate to run against the obvious deal the Democrats have made not to impeach Bush in exchange for the White House (or rather, for a good shot at the White House since the Republicans can obviously still win).

Hillary’s got her neck in the noose now. If she comes off as too pro-immigrant, she’s going to lose white votes. If she comes off as too anti-immigrant, she loses Latinos.

The whole thing was pretty obvious a month ago.

172. BooHooHooMan - 31 October 2007

Workin off cad ‘s note of the DK drumbeat to ban Gravvel and other candidates from a Democratic debate…

Other comments & My edits, if I may be so bold
—————————–
Fortunately, Markos . . . (15+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Inky, ben masel, SarahLee, mini mum, peace voter, cometman, Eddie Haskell, environmentalist, marina, spectre7, darthstar, EthrDemon, tenunda, Transplanted Texan, penguinsong

choosing whom we hear from is not your choice to make.

“The rule of the wise must be absolute . . . rulers ought not to be responsible to the unwise subjects.” ~ Professor Leo Strauss

by antifa on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 09:39:43 AM PDT

*
Oh brother. (4+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Aexia, phenry, vcmvo2, plf515

Having nine people on stage just ensures we hear from noone.

“But your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore”–Prine 3830+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

by Miss Blue on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 09:40:46 AM PDT

[ Parent ]
o
Then have smaller debates…. (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Inky, marina, EthrDemon

with only 3 or 4 candidates at a time.

And/or reschedule the primary season so it isn’t so long and schedule debates for a reasonable period before the primaries start.

Or give every candidate who can raise a certian amount of $$ guaranteed national airtime for ads.

Or….

I can think of many ways to make the system better without a small group of people arbitrarily deciding whose opinions are worthy of being heard and whose aren’t.

The meek shall inherit nothing. -F.Zappa

by cometman on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 09:46:45 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

{snip}

*

Agree 100% (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
irate, mango [ BHHM: You fuckin' kiddin me? LMAO. Irate Mango uprates this comment? Who the fuckare those two? Markos Personal Siamese Twin Sockpuppet? Anyways...]

With this many candidates, the debates are almost a joke. Noone gets the chance to really expound on their positions.

And by the by, how did your tests come out, Kos?
Let me know about lickin’ off any buttscopes, hon…

“But your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore”–Prine 3830+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

by Miss Blue on Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 09:40:00 AM PDT

173. marisacat - 31 October 2007

I think the R have long planned to run on “brown hordes” ie immigration and waves of nausea over illegals, aliens and terrorists, who are all part of a “mud people” stew…

Whether it is ICE flying over New Orleans or Minutemen at the border or whomever of the wrong color fleeing the fires at Qualcomm…

whiffs of Wagner in the air.

174. Hair Club for Men - 31 October 2007

I think the R have long planned to run on “brown hordes” ie immigration and waves of nausea over illegals, aliens and terrorists, who are all part of a “mud people” stew…

Technically the Repblicans should be in the same noose as Hillary. Too pro-immigrant means you lose white votes. Too anti-immigrant means you lose Latinos.

But the Republicans are good at this thing and the Democrats aren’t.

By giving up the idea of an insurgent candidate and going with Hillary, the Democrats will give up the populist impulse and anger against the government.

This anger againt the government can go two ways:

1.) I hate the people who dragged us into this war and ruined our civil liberties

2.) I hate the brown hordes and the “elite” in Hollyweird and San FranFreakshow

(Ron Paul ironically hits on both)

By chosing the obvious candidate of the oligarchy, a pro-war candidate of the oligarchy, the Dems ensure that the populist impulse will go to Door Number 2.

Thus the immigration noose is around Hillary’s and not her opponents.

175. marisacat - 31 October 2007

new post [sort of] and thread…

LINK

176. marisacat - 31 October 2007

But the Republicans are good at this thing and the Democrats aren’t. — HC

Absolutely, I agree… as Vidal says, the party that wins is the party that shits on blacks, but does not get called on it. Not REALLY.

By giving up the idea of an insurgent candidate and going with Hillary, the Democrats will give up the populist impulse and anger against the government.

agree, again. And that very failing on the part of the [sieg heil] Dem party makes room for extreme right winger populism to rise.

what a mess we are in.


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