Suicide by President, Follow the Leader… 31 October 2007
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, AFRICOM, Big Box Blogs, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.trackback
graffiti: totenkopf
…lemmings off the cliff, sadly after we have killed millions. Again.
Preparing for National Suicide: What “all options on the table” really means
For more than a year, the USA has been openly threatening to bomb Iran. Some scenarios see the use of nuclear bombs. “All options are on the table” says Bush, Cheney, Rice, and most of the candidates in the 2008 Presidential race.
The reason? They say they feel threatened by Iran’s pursuit of nuclear power technology, although they formally granted Iran that right when they ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1968. The IAEA has found no evidence of a nuclear weapons program. They say they feel threatened by Iran’s support of the Shia militia, especially those in Iraq and Lebanon. Iran has traditionally played the role of defending Shia communities, even in the Ottoman era. They say they feel threatened by Iran’s opposition to Israel’s expansion and Israel’s oppression of Palestinians, which is against international law and many UN resolutions. The say they feel threatened by Iran’s energy exports and its ability to influence world prices.
In general, they feel threatened by an independent nation in an oil-rich region they wish to dominate. Therefore, they threaten to bomb Iran. “All options are on the table.”
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One consequence of these threats is that Iran must prepare to defend itself. On Oct. 20, a top Iranian military commander announced that Iran is ready to retaliate with 11,000 missiles in the first few minutes after an American surprise attack. The missiles are aimed at the military bases, ships at sea, and economic assets of the threatening nations. To launch that many missiles AFTER a shock-and-awe surprise attack means that Iran must have distributed the ability to launch missiles. There is not one launch button and one commanding finger on the button.
There are many buttons and many different fingers on them. War is now on a hair trigger, and the risk of accidental war is now very, very, very high. War might be started by an Iranian religious fundamentalist eager to go to heaven, or patriot eager to defend Iran, or a traitor eager to destroy Iran, or someone depressed or bored or simply misreading a radar screen and thinking a flock of birds are an incoming attack.
The USA has over 300,000 military and support personnel in the region around Iran, all of them now the target of 11,000 missiles on hair-trigger. That is what repeated threats of war have achieved.
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War seems inevitable. With war will come thousands of deaths, maybe millions, and whole economies will collapse, the first being that of the USA since it is most dependent on imported oil.
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But the USA and other belligerent nations have decided to act contrary to international law and in violation of the United Nations, with the consequence that their military forces and economies are now in jeopardy.
Among all of the options on the table, the most likely are self-destruction and national suicide.
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There is a lovely interview with Studs Terkel in the UK Independent… days old, no doubt everyone has read it, nevertheless:
“It’s true what you say. I can’t deny it. At the same time, I once wrote a book called Hope Dies Last. I believe that. I might feel hopelessness, except for one thing: the young. I don’t mean the young as they’re portrayed in TV commercials: whores, bimbos and dummies. There are many who do not fall into those categories. The big problem is that there’s no memory of the past. Our hero is the free market. People forget how the free market fell on its face way back in the Depression. And how the nation pleaded with its government and got help. Today, all these fat CEOs say we don’t need government. And these fat boys get away with it, because of our collective Alzheimer’s, and the power of Rupert Murdoch and CNN. There is despair in this country, sure. At the same time, we are waiting.”
“For what?”
“For new voices.”
“Fat boys”… there you go… yes, we have too many of those. We lack for new voices…
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Couple of grafs from a new article from Gore Vidal, at TruthDig…
Not since the glory days of Watergate and Nixon’s Luciferian fall has there been so much written about the dogged deceits and creative criminalities of our rulers. We have also come to a point in this dark age where there is not only no hero in view but no alternative road unblocked. We are trapped terribly in a now that few foresaw and even fewer can define despite a swarm of books and pamphlets like the vast cloud of locusts which dined on China in that ‘30s movie ”The Good Earth.”
And, really, there is nothing to add to this:
We live in an impermeable bubble without the sort of information that people living in real countries have access to when it comes to their own reality. But we are not actually people in the eyes of the national ownership: we are simply unreliable consumers comprising an overworked, underpaid labor force not in the best of health: The World Health Organization rates our healthcare system (sic—or sick?) as 37th-best in the world, far behind even Saudi Arabia, role model for the Texans. Our infant mortality rate is satisfyingly high, precluding a First World educational system.
Also, it has not gone unremarked even in our usually information-free media that despite the boost to the profits of such companies as Halliburton, Bush’s wars of aggression against small countries of no danger to us have left us well and truly broke. Our annual trade deficit is a half-trillion dollars, which means that we don’t produce much of anything the world wants except those wan reports on how popular our Entertainment is overseas. Unfortunately the foreign gross of “King Kong,” the Edsel of that assembly line, is not yet known. It is rumored that Bollywood—the Indian film business—may soon surpass us! Berman writes, “We have lost our edge in science to Europe…The US economy is being kept afloat by huge foreign loans ($4 billion a day during 2003). What do you think will happen when America’s creditors decide to pull the plug, or when OPEC members begin selling oil for euros instead of dollars?…An International Monetary Fund report of 2004 concluded that the United States was ‘careening toward insolvency.’ “
Meanwhile, China, our favorite big-time future enemy, is the number one for worldwide foreign investments, with France, the bete noire of our apish neocons, in second place.
I noticed an odd thing at TruthDig just now (sometimes I neglect to look around, but today I did)… the Blogroll lists all the Dkos affilated “blue” franchises and the assorted sponsored blogs similarly inclined [cough: roped in] that do not use “blue” in the name. Then I noticed the site adopts the “Advertising Liberally” blogroll.
Oh well. Tho one would think that Sheer or his son would be aware of online political astroturf. Prolly something to do with [drumroll] electing Democrats…
It is possible to be very heartless in viewing America. It preaches “Wake Up” from the various pulpits… but nods off in place.
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Re Truthdig. I don’t think Scheer has much to do with the day to day running of the website. It’s a couple of younger people.
But I doubt Scheer would be down for a balls out feud with Kos and the Pwog Dems. So money is money.
I doubt this means the Chomsky, Walt and Mearsheimer stuff will disappear. I may be naive, but Truthdig wants to pull readers from Counterpunch as much as from Kos.
Some cross eyed chick on Hardball riffing on the immigrant drivers license bullshit and pushing the idea of a national ID.
Heh.
Time for your retina scan Mr. Matthews.
DAMMIT. I knew this election was going to come down to anti-immigrant populism. But I’m amazed it happened so fat.
hmm I don’t think that TruthDig can really pulll from Counterpunch, some it can pull, sure… The list of writers at TruthDig is too formulaic, too party line. The big diversions from the script (which is too much Dionne,etc., for my taste…) is Ritter, Vidal and Hedges.
I was displeased when They added Dionne in particular. What is the point? he is syndicated and appears prominently in one of the foremost, namewise, papers in the nation… Do we need this?
Sheer always had a bit of old time liberal fire in him, but was too formulaic Dem for my taste. Back when they started it, I had higher hopes… just due ot the break with traditional media and so on…
Again, it is about “electing Democrats”…
I see this Balkanization continuing. What’s foolish is the rubes of Orange actually think that nominally American Global Capital has some baseline interest in sustaining the country in its present form. Other than securing arsenals This country could very well “de-federalize” sold as some new and improved scheme in keeping with the realities of a brave new world etc etc etc…Not a good sign when PRIVATIZATION applies to standing Armies, Defense Technology, Surveillance Ops for Law Enforcement, Domestic Prisons, secret Concentration Camps where murder rape and torture are now acceptable.
How about a good bust in the mouth for anyone who things it’s not ~really all~ like that? Bullshit..
Our nakedly corrupt Government has promoted it, and 999 out of a thousand docile people in the vicinity where you live have accepted it and moved on….
One other thing- whoever Miss Blue is , she’s a fucking imbecile.
The media’s really trying to do damage control for Rudy but damn did Biden nail him. And Rudy’s counterpunch was awful.
Joe Biden, finally, finally good for something.
Now he can leave.
Biden’s line on Rudy was very very good. Short succinct and a good laugh.
Judging from the headlines looks like Hillary bagged AFSME.
Sign up for killer trade deals… line right up.
All I can say about Rudy is: if you thought Bush was bad news…you ain’t seen nothing yet. He’s definitely the most dangerous in that field and I wouldn’t trust him farther than I could throw him. His grouchy/nasty streak seems pretty pathological – on par with Darth Cheney’s. I think if he was elected, the US would basically disintegrate (much more than it has already).
well Democrats plan to use all of that to pull wandering sheep back into the fold, meaning vote for Hilarius the First.
I wonder if there’s any way to get this film some play.
http://www.hrw.org/iff/2002/ny/justifiable.html
There are some devestating scenes Benito Giuliani where his fascist side comes out so completely he makes Cheney look like Mr. Rogers.
#8. There’s no doubt Hillary isn’t a much better choice than Guiliani. After last nite, I would hope the MSM would stop pitching her as Ms Inevitable. (Not that Edwards Think of the children!! and Obama ummm, uhh… would be any better.) It just comes down to which loser will win.
It’s not Hillary nor Rudy. It’s the dance between them, both parties stepping gracefully onto an ever more right wing terrain, waltzing us all down into hell.
I still can’t believe Kucinich answered the did you see a UFO question honestly
I hope his wife picks him up and slam dunks him somewhere…
well Iowa Caucus on Jan 3… and Edwards who has camped there for over three years is slowly losing ground.
I don’t see a groundswell of votes for obama in an older white state, esp on Jan 3. In the winter snows…
Then a week later (I am confused by now, this year it might be a two week interval), iirc, it is NH, with a lot of conservative Ind
hmmmmmmm.
Plus, there was no primary.
two most recent polls at RCP, GE head on head polling, show Guiliani besting Hillary, by a couple of points. The 4 polls before that showed Hillary over Guiliani,
show Guiliani besting Hillary, by a couple of points
Count on a bit of the David Duke effect with Hillary and Obama too. A lot of people who might not vote for a woman or an African American might not admit it in the polls.
You know, I’ve run into men in their 20s who say things like “we can’t have Hillary as president. She’ll have her finger on the button. If she PMSes we’re all dead”.
How do people this young STILL have these ideas about women?
Gravel has a short piece up at HuffyHuffFluff:
link
From last thread to Intermittent Bystander – thanks for the good wishes! ‘Undercover colleen’ lol! Btw, I haven’t seen Colleen for a while. Hope she’s okay. And still no word from Tuston. Really wondering if he’s okay. Jam-fuse too. Is he in Europe?
Catnip, good luck with the move. Miss D also …
Catnip, I couldn’t agree more regarding Giuliani. I cannot believe anyone is even considering voting for that little fascist.
He and Hillary ran against each other for the Senate. His poll ratings at the time in NY were around 25% airc as by then, people had finally wakened up about him. He dropped out of the race when it was clear she was going to beat him, claiming it was because of cancer. He did have cancer but unlike those with no medical coverage, his was diagnosed early and treated. If he had had a chance of winning, he would have stayed in the race and used his condition to gain sympathy.
He also had the problem of his mistress at that time. His lawyer had announced his divorce on Mother’s Day (which was when his wife learned they were getting divorced). His wife then went on TV and slammed him. It was disgusting, although not unexpected with a creep like Rudi. Plus, he had wanted to bring his mistress home so she ‘could take care of me’. What his kids might have thought of that I suppose didn’t bother him.
And that’s the nicest stuff I can think about Rudi. I’m sure if he gets the nomination, the Dems will then dig up his past and people will be pretty horrified. By comparison, Hillary will look like Mother Teresa. Anyone would.
ugh. The Nineties ARE back. I just refocused and noticed what was running across the TV during the news… commercials for Michael Flately and that Dance Troop… whatever it was called.
They’re baaaack.
hmm USGS is on the news saying that the earthquake increased rather than reduced the stress on both Calaveras and Hayward fault.
Lovely.
And i missed the 3.7 aftershock this afternoon.
Remember the drug plane thing I linked to the other day, at ad Cow Morning News? Well, Chicago Public Radio also has a reporter who’s on the story:
I had missed the McClatchy reports.
Just signed a one-year lease, so if November 2008 is delivers the worst possible results-guiliani, romney & hillary in that order, I’ll be able to move to a place more befitting a citizen of a doomed country. If I haven’t been relocated to a “work farm.” Maybe state of ca employees will be sent to harvest in absence of a migrant work force. (I shouldn’t give them any ideas!)
good post MCAT–seasonal, shall we say.
pea ess–I inquired of the property manager of the new place, that I heard there was a “tot lot” and wondered where it was located on the premises. also asked if there were many “tots” –she told me she was prohibited from answering the latter question, but did show me the “tot lot”–a bit beyond the fenced-in pool area, there is this rubberized square with a single toucan/pony on springs in the middle of it. (a one-trick pony if there ever was one)
I’m getting the impression children are scarce there. which is good because I do not want them to annoy my dog.
I hope his wife picks him up and slam dunks him somewhere…
She can slamdunk me anyday.
Denny the K did say THIS today:
madman
meant to mention it when you posted the “cow” version of the narcoavion… think they have determined that at some point Hillary the primary candidate has flown in one of the planes at issue, when it is tricked out as private hire plane for people…. maybe I read it in the McClatchy…
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Miss D
Good Luck moving day…
hmmm does nto sound like “tots” are in big numbers at the complex…;)
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sabrina
yup, Rudy will be used to push Dems and mod / liberal Ind to vote fro Hilarius. And plenty will anyway.
Pat Buchanan’s been on his fifth or sixth cable news show talking about the Hillary drivers license flap. He’s debating Laura Flanders on the Dan Abrams show.
Buchanan: There is a populist uprising against illegal immigration.
Laura Flanders: I hope this doesn’t become a chase after the Lou Dobbs watchers campaign.
I’d pat myself on the back for seeing this weeks ago but it really wasn’t that hard. Anybody who’s not a total cretin could have easily seen that once the Democerats give up on running an anti-war, pro-civil-liberties populist campaign (and they need a smarter, more photogenic Kuninich) that populism isn’t going anyplace.
It just flows into the anti-immigrant issue and the Republicans benefit.
I’m still not sure if the Republicans can win because they’re candidates are all so bad but I am sure we all lose.
And I don’t think this was even discussed at the Orange Satan.
I am still in the ‘good ol’ usa, sabrina (and everyone else), until around the end of the year. Planning on making the big move to the EU by new year’s day. Also should be back online in a day or so, currently posting from a remote location…
jam.fuse… !
Know you will be busy but would love, when you are settled, your impressions of where you live – in and around Berlin, iirc you saying..
HC @ 24
“And I don’t think this was even discussed at the Orange Satan.”
As far as I know, only by me.
I toss some more disgust at Clinton, and her little dog union, too!
Noam Chomsky Weighs In On 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [VIDEO]
Pretty good. I personally think the Bushies had some hints, but underestimated the terrorists … and then cashed in when they succeeded.
The Evangelical Movement’s Breakdown Ain’t so Cute After All
I’m so sick of the “fundies (or racists) aren’t a real problem” tale. Biding their time, that’s all, as authoritarians always do when the spin turns against them.
*waving at jam-fuse*
I second Marisacat’s request for reports from your new location! And maybe pave the way for the rest of us. It’s not looking good for the future here …
Btw, re Mac computers. I’m getting a new laptop next week and wondering now if I should get a Mac, or do they make laptops? I’m completely clueless about computers so if that’s a dumb question well, what can I say?
Just read that diary on DK from Jane Harman, if you could call it a diary.
The truth is that she was briefed about the illegal NSA program. I posted about this in the last thread. She cannot say they were not told what was going on because Rockefeller already revealed that they did.
All of them should have stepped down rather than keep quiet about what they knew. They should have told Cheney they would not remain silent or at least would consult a lawyer about it. Bush set them up in order to use them, which he did when the program was revealed in 2004. He said that ‘Dems were on board’ with it.
What’s happening on DK regarding being loyal to Democrats should have happened two, three years ago. I will never forgive anyone who banned or threatened and silenced people who tried to point out that electing people like Jane Harman was no different than electing a Republican. There was a primary challenge to her airc. I don’t remember how much support the Dem party gave to her challenger, Marcy Wingood? I think.
They committed serious crimes. When we were demanding that Pelosi put Impeachment back on the table at DK, Kos called it ‘Impeachment Porn’ and the rest of the troll patrol went insane over Impeachment being mentioned slamming anyone who pointed out that there was no other way to stop these criminals. They bear responsibility for the ongoing criminality, people like Hunter, DhinMi, MissLaura, and others like Elise, stupidly shouting down people who were genuinely and rightly furious over what was happening to this country
Now, kos has a diary up talking about how it is not good enough to just elect Dems, we have to elect ‘better Dems’. Who does he think he’s kidding? He knows he can’t sell ‘loyalty to Dems no matter who they are’ anymore. So now it’s ‘better Dems’. Who gets to choose these candidates? To trust the ‘netroots again after the disastrous last five years of stupidity from them, would be simply crazy. I really hope people are not stupid enough to fall for it all again.
What a dark period this is and without a media it’s likely that millions of people don’t even realize what’s really going on. Which is why the Internet WAS the only hope of spreading information.
I was glad to see people standing up to him today (linked in last thread). Whoever said that all he cares about is money, was right. The vile DhinMi must not have gotten a job yet as he’s posting nonsense on the FP.
that if she sticks to her ?position? on drivers licenses for undocumented aliens, it will be the BIGGEST issue of next years campaign. Bigger than Iraq, Iran, Health care, ANYTHING.
She should stick to her position on the drivers licenses. And Dodd, Edwards and Obama shouldn’t have demagogued her on the issue.
It’s not about the drivers licenses or even about immigration. It’s about the Democrats running a pro-war candidate. It’s about the Democrats allowing themselves to be set up as the oligarchy by the Republicans (who will just love to run as populists). It’s about surrendering the alternative.
But above all, it’s about taking impeachment off the table. People aren’t naturally mean and most Americans don’t naturally hate Mexicans or immigrants. Just the opposite, most Americans have grandparents who were immigrants and most of us love Mexicans, Mexican food, tequila, going to Cancun, cheap labor. Mexicans ain’t Arabs. They’re extremely familiar and part of North American culture.
But most of us are incredibly angry at the government right now. If the Democrats chop off the populist alternative, if the ram a pro-war candidate down our throats, than we CAN be manipulated by the media and the Republicans.
But in the end it works out of the Donkles. It lets them run yet another scare camaign telling us that this is the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION EVER and that anybody who just says fuck it and doesn’t vote is a big fat traitor who’s enabling fascism.
Silber
Btw, re Mac computers. I’m getting a new laptop next week and wondering now if I should get a Mac, or do they make laptops?
Indeed they do.
http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html
And since they run on intel chips right now you can dual boot Windoze and OSX.
I WISH I could justify buying one but I have a laptop, a 9 pound IBM Thinkpad G40 that I bought in 2003 and still works as well as I did the day I bought it, so rugged you could drop a nuke on it and it wouldn’t stop working. And in 5 years I’ll still be using it.
OT on MACS
I have two MAC notebook computers: one runs the older panther and the other newer one runs tiger, which is now superseded by what seems to be the splendid Leopard. I really like MACS for the quality of the physical design and the nearly flawless user interface to the OS (which of course is BSD Unix) BTW I also very much liked an older PC which runs (ran) Ubuntu GNU/Linux (mentioned by HCfM)-until, in my typical impatience to get something done, I broke it. Though like HCfM I have been a longtime Unix user (since 1984) and linux since 1996, I did get very frustrated with the amount of time spent on getting things to work properly. That frustration led me to MACS, but I must say Ubuntu is almost as flawless as a MAC.
In the future, when I need a replacement computer I will buy a very cheap notebook PC and run Ubuntu on it. I do regular (twice daily) backups on a flash drive so if the machine crashes or is stolen, nothing is really lost. I think whenever at all possible we should refuse to pay the Microsoft Tax.
Children of the Revolution, Part One Zillion
Sabrina @ 30
Harman’s challenger was Marcy Winograd. And someone posted that they were sending her today’s rum doin’s.
Just found Madman and HCfM in Moderation…
sorry for the delay!
Noam Chomsky Weighs In On 9/11 Conspiracy Theories [VIDEO]
I’ve seen that one. It’s been around for awhile.
Question: Has anybody trace the “controlled demolition” theory back to its orgins? When did it first start getting thrown around?
It strikes me as nonsense designed to head off real debate on 9/11. If you go back to some of the stuff Greg Palast was writing in early 2002, he’s higly sceptical of the official story. He’s got all kinds of questions about how Bush and the intelligence agencies cut off any attempt to “follow the money” to Saudi Arabia. He seems to think that Bush shut down a lot of investigations in order to protect his friends in the Saudi elite. This isn’t to say that he “planned” 9/11, just that he didn’t allow the FBI to do their job.
But how can you debate this stuff with all the absurd controlled demolition theories floating around. I SUSPECT that in about 30 years we’re going to find out that a lot of the 9/11 conspiracy theories were put out by the Republicans as noise to drown out real criticism.
In Daniel Ellsberg’s autobiography he even discusses how Nixon ordered his operatives to start spreading Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories to get peoples minds off Watergate.
Jeff at Rigourous Intuition writes, from time to time, about how the shaping of the debate is all too oftne to throw us off.
Ithink Bush’s biggest “job” was to protect the Saudi friends, as well as the bin Laden family friends.
It may have gathered speed as FBI operations worked the field under Nixon, but there was great unease over the Warren Commission and great distress post-assassination, aside from anything spread in the early 70s.
Anyone with half a brain knew leaders were being killed off. I don’t care what particular flavor of CT one buys OR does not buy, the sheer volume of killing was hard to avoid noticing.
No problems with Macbook thus far. I was committed by ego to be a PC’er, but…oh yes it helps I can bring my work computer home.
I forgot the virtues of the other in no time.
it is clear we haven’t, are not, and will not be told anything resembling the true story of what went down. CTs are one assertion, butn it’s hard to say what’s true, false, and delusional as long as you don’t have good info. that’s why we don’t have good info.
having studied other countries and other times, there’s very little any CT has thrown out there that i’d rule out automatically, because a lot of crazy stuff has indeed gone down elsewhere. i listen to it all, and wish the proponants were more careful about the difference between might have happened and did happen, but by and large the only ones i treat as reliable bullshit are the ones coming off the TV and out of the politicians’ mouths.
people are uncomfortable with uncertainty. once you accept that you don’t know, discussion of stuff is much easier.
something stinks, though. of that i am certain. not sure we’ll ever get a thread, on any of it.
oh, and go with the macbook, if you can justify the extra expense. i’m very fond of macs, and they work better with each model.
this just struck me, on rereading alphageek’s series last night, how brilliant a metaphor it is for more than just earthquakes:
hmm Madman just popped me this. Seems worthy of being posted.
Entirely too cute of Gore. via Scruggs at SMBIVA
Comment on l’affaire Harman from Budlawman, Marcy Winograd’s husband.
he goes on to say that he is unsure whether Winograd will run again.
niitnutroots stiffed Winograd in her last run.
I can only imagine what they might do, in their slice of a slice world, if she ran again
LOL, that reminds me of a comment I saw and recced in a Harman-related thread:
oh that is a hoot!
Wonder fi they would have banned Madman if his moniker had been
Son of a Lakota Dem.
Well, the time was that when you went up against Son of a Cuban Dem, you lengthened your odds to a considerable extent.
anyone wants a convenient little store house of Bomb Iran quotes, McGovern’s article is a handy stash pot.
I realise the US, the panoply of war interests, are using Israel and that, in turn, Israeli and US Lobby interests are using the flatulent American public, but I am sick to death, to the very end with it, of it all.
LOL My advice w/r/t Dkos, don’t call out anyone’s “fuck buddy”.
ugh
just found BHHM in Moderation, from 3:24 pm… he is up at Comment # 4
So sorry! A disoriented day, what can I say…
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Oil cresting at 94 USD.
Nightline is on israel’s hunt for oil. Lotta fucked Xtians hunting for oil for them via RELIGION.
Jesusfuckingdamn. WHO GIVES A HSIT?
from Danny Schechter’s News Dissector:
I don’t even need to read the official economic indicators. The increasing number of women having abortions because time lost from work due to pregnancy and delivery–even before taking into account the expense of supporting another child, would mean complete ruin for their families–tells me all I need to know.
One woman a couple of weeks ago could have been speaking for them all: “I’m pregnant in the first place because I had to spend my birth control money on gas to get to work.”
Masses of people balanced on the edge of disaster.
“I’m pregnant in the first place because I had to spend my birth control money on gas to get to work.”
BINGO.
I almost hit the ceiling of the kitchen the other day, they took a camera crew out to a gas station. Quite a few prattled the “liberal” [but! look! at! Europe!] propaganda of “higher prices for gas is good”. Nice little sheep.
Finally one man said, I understand about pricing gas higher, but I go to work to feed my daughter, and if I have to buy gas at 5$, then I can’t feed my daughter”.
Europe has transportation infrastructure. It has REDUNDANT systems… esp in the cities… Very little of the US does.. poor people rely on their cars, for good reason.
Gas prices are going up as we scrwed and tied to the oil games. NOT because we are going Green [for real] and will underwrite new infrastructure for transportation…
and so on, etcetera.
prior patterns of development lock us in to sunk costs that are very, very hard to break out of. same principle with subdivisions in fire country, urban levees or lack of mass transit infrastructure. either we pay increasing amounts of money to sustain it, or we collapse, or we fork over a ton of investment to make a new system.
my bet is collapse.
agree.. collapse is on the schedule.
hmmm
anyone wants a stash of run up to Iraq war quotes, editorials, etc… this piece at Counterpunch is loaded.
As we go down the road again
Oil is up to $96 a barrel, and the stock market is down over 200 points after an hour of trading.
If you dig real deep at the NY Times website, you’ll find this story suggesting that Pakistan is coming apart at the seams:
You all remember the story of Noah and the Great Flood, which the ancient Hebrews plagiarized from the even more ancient Mesopotamians (see Gilgamesh for the details). We may be about to see it occur again, as a large dam in the vicinity of Mosul is structurally unsound, and it has been determined that it could give way at any moment:
I’m guessing that if Mosul ends up being under 60 feet of water, there will be few, if any, survivors, and many hundreds of thousands more people will die as the massive flood wall makes its way downstream.
Hair Club #35 thanks for the info on MACs …
Moiv #38 thanks, couldn’t remember her name …
I wonder what will happen to these brave monks:
Via DU:
Burmese Monks March Again Ahead of Visit by UN Envoy
More interesting news (as in “may you live in interesting times”) from Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto has left for Dubai to spend more time with her family, as our rulers like to say when they quit sticky situations:
Jsut let all three of JJB’s out of moderation… SORRY!
Oh this is rich.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/1/122646/056
Pot meet kettle. Paid Blogger banned for politcal views on the Plain Dealer expresses outrage on DK. Fuck all ‘o these twits…
Two:
Israel wins, blocks anything significant from Peace Conference Summit
pff diary
BREAKING: Saudis don’t want war in Iran!! Checkmate!
pff diary
Kos finally stands up for the environment — no not taking down Chevron ads — but striking a blow against too much mail!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/1/123421/288
Mike Davis:
Talk about suicide by developer.
Even is a home is “fire-resistant,” you could die of smoke inhalation. Or succumb to the intense heat. Or the firestorm could be so intense it just sucks up all the available oxygen, and you die because of that. That’s what killed untold numbers of people when we firebombed Tokyo towards the end of WWII.
Talk about “The Late Great State of California” as Curt Gentry put it, decades ago…
The Great God Pan: How to Kill A Golden State
Dow is now down 290 points, as of 3:20 pm EDT. That’s after a bad day yesterday. Currently down something like 420 points from Wednesday’s opening bell, IIRC.
Mcat #70; it’s called “Letting the money do the thinking” and it’s been all the rage for, oh, decades now…
JJB #71, yeah, oxygen depletion will kill you just as effectively; it’ll leave a prettier corpse, though.
wozzle
too right, both Gentry’s book and Bronson’s book (his mentioned at The Great God Pan link) are from ’68.
As a native Californian I blame the post war free way system and air conditioning.
And, let it be said, people running away from much of the rest of the country, for a couple centuries.
Next year on TV?
Jason Melrath as Delaware Dem, the Bounty Hunter?
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/2007/popup/full-wmv.html
Paul Tibbets, pilor of the plane that nuked Hiroshima, has died at the age of 92:
IIRC, one of the crew members of the plane that dropped the Bomb on Nagasaki (either the pilot or the navigator) became horrified by what he’d taken part in as the years passed, and he became an outspoken critic of the bombings. Unfortunately, he suffered a breakdown, became an alcoholic, and died a broken man circa 1960. By early 1945, perhaps even sooner, the Japanese would almost certainly have accepted a negotiated peace under which the Emperor would not be tried for war crimes and left him on the throne, but we insisted on “unconditional surrender.” When we got it, we declined to prosecute the Emperor for war crimes on the grounds that he was merely a figurehead, and left him on the throne. It’s quite likely that the bloody campaigns for Iwo Jima and (much, much worse) Okinawa were needless, as was the massive bombing campaign follwing our conquest of Iwo in which an untold number of Japanese civilians were killed.
I honestly believe that using the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a pure display of power and using that power to kill and inflict terror. And leave the living dead, survivors and their memories… Same as Vietnam, same as now, same as all of it.
And all of it unnecessary. All of it.
I caught that horror Fouad Adjami a few weeks ago on Charlie Rose (we don’t have enough fucking murderous assholes WE HAVE TO IMPORT THEM and give them citizenship, arghhhhhh) saying tht the US is now “romanced” all thru the ME, as we have shown what we are willing to do.
yes we have shown what we will do: destroy, maim, kill, a society and its people. Set millions into diaspora.
Really just the end.
The Dow lost 362 points today. So I think that’s almost 500 points between today and yesterday.
Today’s loss came after the Fed pumped over $40 billion into the economy in the hopes of staving off just such a massacre.
wasn’t it also 80 billion pumped in a few weeks ago?
Another pt shave and another pump of cash — and then this. Well, I suppose they find a way to shore it up again. Maybe they can burn the underbrush. Oops, they built it up without secondary emergency roads out.
Whoops.
MCat,
They did something a few weeks ago, the last time there was this sort of awful day. What the exact amount was I don’t know, but there’s only so much of this kind of thing you can do until finally it has no effect, or an effect opposite to that intended, which could be what happened today.
Speaking of fuel: I can barely hold on to the Mayor of Vancouver’s name but for ten cents I’d slap him. Hard. I cross the OR-WA border to get to work each day, and this jackass seems determined to screw with Vancouver’s transit system until nobody will be able to get into his precious city unless they can drive and afford a car. Messing with routes, locations of stops, adding more transfers, passing out conflicting info to bus drivers as to costs, etc. A driver today told me that they’re cutting a huge chunk of his route off– to another area full of factories. Doubtful that all those workers can afford cars. My area is still accessable, for now.
A royal pain all around. In his zeal to keep Blacks, Latinos, and the homeless from fouling his precious city, he’s going to end up strangling it altogether. I guess he thinks it’s going to turn into a giant leisure village or something.
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Progressive’s Mecca: The Pacific Northwest. :p
ms x
oh he is a clever man. Given a decent transit system, that operates and functions reliably, geesh, good heavens, the poor will use it to get to work.
one of several reports, this from AP
Plus, Mcat, you know the same clowns who whined about their taxes and “business friendly blah blah blah” will be the same people whining when the gutted transit system can’t help keep their damn factories running.
bingo, ms_x. as if vancouver has much to recommend itself except for no income tax (by state constitution!) and gas that you can pump yourself.
cutting yourself off from portland is beyond daft.
oh, and i just got the potatoes in. should be ready to stave off the apocalypse in a couple of months. hope the triggerhappy bastards can hold off that long.
and gas that you can pump yourself
The Oregon/New Jersey connection.
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Progressive’s Mecca: The Pacific Northwest. :p
I lived in Seattle in the 90s. That liberalism always seemed pretty shallow. That “I hate Californians” xenophobia always struck me as a sort of anti-urban, anti-immigrant sentiment in disguise.
And you never go to the woods anyway. There’s too much traffic. You’re basically living in Any Suburb USA with some snowcapped volcanos in the distance, kind of like Connecticut with mountains instead of history and cheesy New England kitsch.
Media is in anti-Hillary overdrive.
Obama and Edwards are “Daring the Hope”.
well shortly before he pretty much self immolated (took on people over at PFF who knew his dual/multiple online lives) ST/TBC was setting off on a prolonged mock shock over how illiberal SF is.
Wowo what news. not.
(speaking of the so-called great liberal redoubts)
on a prolonged mock shock over how illiberal SF is.Wowo what news. not
I feel your pain. The idea that NYC is “liberal” is a long time peeve of mine. Now it’s gone national with the idea that Adolf Benito Giuliani the Ex Gauleiter of New York is somehow more liberal than Huckabee or Fred Thompson.
Believe me, Benito Giuliani is normality in the New York area.
The Troll Patrol needs to mobilize NOW
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/1/18216/1309
88:
Damn you, Hair Club. If I wasn’t already married…
[clutches aching ribs.]
The Towering Racial Inferno: Disaster Capitalism in Cali
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=416&Itemid=41
Catastrophe provides the opening, and racism the popular support, for government policies that would be deemed unacceptable except for the presence of actual disaster and perceived threat. Therefore, it should have come as no surprise that Border Patrol and local law enforcement agents would “stretch the envelope” of acceptable behavior toward immigrants when flames lit up southern California.
The disastrous events of 9/11 provided the excuse to move the United States closer to a full-blown police state, domestically, and to launch a general war of aggression, internationally. Certainly, 9/11 was a god-send for the Bush regime, although a disaster for the rest of the planet.
Just four years later, while Washington’s global offensive was becoming mired in the sands and cities of Iraq, the Katrina catastrophe offered up another cornucopia of opportunities for the vultures whom George Bush represents. A Black metropolis was quickly emptied, labor laws dumped into the Gulf Coast bays and bayous, public education replaced with privateers, and public housing bulldozed. Everywhere in the nation, neglected, failing neighborhoods signal future profits for the gentrifiers – quick cash for the most unproductive members of society. Were the Bush men happy about 9/11 and Katrina? Damn right, they were! These scavengers also revel in mass death in Darfur, which provides them “humanitarian,” diplomatic and military opportunities to dominate the Sahel region of Africa.
These scavengers also revel in mass death in Darfur, which provides them “humanitarian,” diplomatic and military opportunities to dominate the Sahel region of Africa.
bingoooooooo
well, fuck Hillary. Her people’s PR machine drove the “inevitable” story for months … and everybody knows the fucking press get bored and start chasing a new story as soon as someone gives them some zippy quotes to use to get that ball running.
Live by PR, die by PR. Fuck them all.
i trolled thru over 20 entries at the TAPPED blog, from their haphazard live blog of the event thru sometime this am.
3 entries to clarify the damned Rocky reference… and unless I missed it, not a single reference to the HillaryPapers that “processeeees” are holding up. And just muddle on the NY state driver’s license…
Geesh. She cannot complain. And it is being used to day (Penn on fundraiser phone call) to raise money for the little beleagured lady.
Hankies all around!
Lordy.
Again IOZ nails it. Very good read.
“What sets the Bush Administration apart is only that it has been unabashed where others have been circumspect. This has made it easy for partisans like Tristero to fulminate against abuses that they would have otherwise been happy to ignore.”
http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2007/11/its-all-just-little-bit-of-history.html
He also has a group of postings concerning civil obedience/disobedience. The post and the comments are very interesting.
Giuliani Faces Investigation Of 9/11 Radios
thanks for that aemd…
I see in the comments to that IOZ post someone replicates in full the exhortation from the nutroots for Donna Edwards (signed by Stoller and Hamsher)… MD-4.
Someone this am, just dropped me links to all the nutters pushing her. Now I see it is a big joint effort.
Tells me to beware of Ms Edwards.
LOL Jonthan Karl and Odierno are declaring Victory In the Bagdad Markets… someone wake up McCain…
4th straight month of less violence, they say.
doesn’t quuuiiite explain the refusal of diplomats, foreign service professionals to serve in Baghdad.
Not quite.
Ethnic cleansing makes it harder to find victims, that’s all.
I have something new up:
comment 69 – One of these fine days, he’ll notice a bright yellow light up in the sky.
Probably most irritating about this junk mail is the idea that his precious time should be wasted reading something. He who expects politicians to respond within five minutes.
Has he ever had a thought?
that IOZ series is great.
Interesting quote:
To understand your actual place, you must first discover that you’re not at the center, and then discover that you are very, very small.
Until even a few months ago, I thought that there was a left (and it was good) and there was a right (and it was bad).
My earth was (as Thom Friedman says) flat, running in a straight continuum from Chomsky to Ronald Reagan, and even one half of one tick closer to Chomsky than Reagan was good.
Therefore I voted for Robert Menendez over Kean Jr. even though Mendendez voted for the Military Commissions Act and would probably like to restore the mafia in Cuba. After all, Menendez was one tick closer to Chomsky and Kean was one tick closer to Reagan.
But after the fiasco of the 2006 “victory” I find myself liking both Chomsky and the (reactionary) crowd at anti-war.com and disliking the typical liberal Democrat as much as the typical neocon.
My world is no longer flat. I’m one little dot among a thousand trying to make sense of his fellow dots.
Damn you, Hair Club. If I wasn’t already married…[clutches aching ribs.]
Funny thing about my time in the Pacific Northwest was this. I look Anglo and speak generic north midwestern standard Amerken English so I didn’t really stand out as a New York “ethnic”.
So when I told people I was from New Jersey they’d always think it was a compliment (to me) that they hadn’t even guessed it.
“Why you don’t have THAT accent”.
Uh, you were expecting Tony Soprano?
I wonder how many people in the northwest will vote for Benito Giuliani (who sort of has THAT accent) over Hillary (who sort of has a fake Southern accent).
I need a mediocrity fix. I think I’ll go check out Digby.
Better mediocrity fix, Lindsey Beyerstein on Harman’s thought crimes bill.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3388/examining_the_homegrown_terrorism_prevention_act/
She’s being real serious and journalism school like and trying not to let her own opinions intrude.
Now let’s look at Digby.
Opening door, sees Donna Edwards pitch at the top.
Closes door and walks quietly away.
But after the fiasco of the 2006 “victory” I find myself liking both Chomsky and the (reactionary) crowd at anti-war.com and disliking the typical liberal Democrat as much as the typical neocon.
“liberal Democrats” are an extremely rare breed and are on the endangered species list. dkos is conducting slash and burn/ban clear cutting to attempt to make the species die out completely before Nov ’08. I imagine the Franklin Mint™ may someday produce a commemorative coin following the species’ demise. I’ll let you know when I see the teevee commerical.
There are throngs of liberals around the Northeast Corridor (surprise, surprise), but they don’t necessarily hang around on political blogs, and lots of them are Democrats in the voting booth only, and only by default. Cynicism has risen to the brim.
People try to make a difference in their private lives – in their work, in their communities, in their child-rearing, in their random interactions and “consumer choice$” – ’cause they’ve lost their last shreds of confidence in any larger “American system,” most definitely up to and including the Constitution.
Unfortunately, lots of them will wind up enabling Candidate Hillary. They’ll cross their fingers, spit on the floor, sigh, curse, and hope (without faith) for the best. Defensive voting, to keep Rudy or Romney away from the Bill of Rights. Oh, and mind the nukes.
PS to catnip – thanks for the fronds!
60 Minutes will be outing Curveball this Sunday, with a 2-year investigative report.
Rice says Kurd attacks will be repelled
Meanwhile, producer Morgan Spurlock, director Rob VanAlkemade, and activist/performance artist Reverend Billy (along with his Church of Stop Shopping Gospel Choir) will soon be bringing a bit of holiday cinema to a theater near you.
What Would Jesus Buy?
Trailer.
The Gothamist interviews Rev. Billy about his local efforts to, er, save. Snippet:
New thread
LINK