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What a week……………. [updated] 16 November 2007

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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Just caught a snip of “Give em Hell, Harry” in the opening of This Week with Ifill… he was saying,

We cannot let the president continue to destroy the country.

Poor Harry.  One more bitch in congress.  Those man-tits tied in knots.

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Just a Friday night/weekend thread, if anyone needs a port in the inner tube storms…

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UPDATE, 10:44 pm Saturday…

I elevated this comment of mine from the thread:

oh here is a sad story – and it throws into high, bright contrast what Kos and the other AdLibbers really are when they accept a simple fucking ad, for cash, esp as they do not have to do that, they don’t have to support Chevron:

Mehdi Shahbazi was a man who championed the consumer and listened to his own counsel as he waged a years-long battle against Exxon Oil and then Shell Oil.
The conflicts cost him his eight service stations – from Salinas to San Jose – his home, his health and his life.

Shahbazi, 65, died Wednesday at Stanford Hospital due to a fast of more than four months to protest the power of oil companies – and as gas prices approach record highs in California.

At his former Marina station – where two years ago he posted a sign that read “Consumers’ pain is Big Oil’s unearned profit!” – customers have erected a memorial of flowers, cards and signs proclaiming love and appreciation.

Until a court decision last month that gave Shell legal control over his final station, Shahbazi was positive he would prevail, said his nephew, Kaz Ajir of Marina.

He was kind, wise and generous beyond imagination,” said Jeffrey Cohen, a Salinas physician who met Shahbazi as a patient and remained a friend for 32 years. “I want people to know that he wasn’t crazy.

He used what he felt was the last non-violent method of protest that he could muster. He was expressing what we all feel.”

         

Mehdi Shahbazi at his Shell station in Marina Aug. 30, 2007. Shahbazi died Wednesday, Nov. 14, 2007 due to a four-month fast to protest the power of oil companies. (Patrick Tehan/Mercury News)

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1. melvin - 16 November 2007

Man-tits? What are you doing, trying to conjure up that lunatic David Byron?

2. marisacat - 16 November 2007

LOL… they graze the tops of his Everlast fighting shorts.

3. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

melvin, I believe it was Madman in the Marketplace who verbally conjured the image of harry in his satin pink Everlasts, pulled up to his sagging man-tits.

speaking of what a week–was there a better site than OG&P for getting the sf bay oil spill stories?

4. marisacat - 16 November 2007

ugh I think that oil is just going to keep circling around and back.

The CG ditched a presser today. And NBC affliate finally ran a really good montage of the screw-ups… it was excellent.

I have a feeling there is some bitter divisional politics in the Nor Cal, Bay Area pols over this.

Gavin is still saying he so deserved his weekend in Hawai’i but that no one should bitch at him as it was “the worst weekend of his life”

gah. What a bunch.

5. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

2,3, harry reid pink Everlast/tit apocrypha!

who knows what and how we will remember when we have gone to the raisin barns. (if we are allowed to grow old)

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

*** madman bows with a flourish ****

7. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

Anybody need bail money? Just Stamp out More.

Which brings up a question… Where the fuck is Hair Club? :D

The ardent supporters of Rep. Ron Paul, the iconoclastic Texas libertarian whose campaign for the presidency is threatening to upend the battle for the Republican nomination, got word yesterday of a new source of outrage and motivation: reports of a federal raid on a company that was selling thousands of coins marked with the craggy visage of their hero.

Federal agents on Wednesday raided the Evansville, Ind., headquarters of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and Internal Revenue Code (Norfed), an organization of “sound money” advocates that for the past decade has been selling a private currency it calls “Liberty Dollars.” The company says it has put into circulation more than $20 million in Liberty Dollars, coins and paper certificates it contends are backed by silver and gold stored in Idaho, are far more reliable than a U.S. dollar and are accepted for use by a nationwide underground economy.

8. melvin - 16 November 2007

3 No this was it in the mamztitosphere for the aggregated spill coverage. BTW, that day was terrible weather up here in the Soviet of Washington, vry high winds. All eyes on the bay and the Strait of Kerch thinking not only could that have been Puget Sound, we’re probably overdue.

All hail Madtits!

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

Impeachment “Under Active Consideration” – Conyers

Why is it that papers on the other side of the globe cover this, but …

… oh, hell, why am I even asking?

Following a discussion on “War and the Fourth Estate”, held in the Ways and Means Committee hearing room on Wednesday night, Rep. John Conyers—Chair of the Judiciary Committee—said that the impeachment resolution against Vice President Cheney is “under active consideration”. However, he stopped short of giving any indication of a timeline, saying that he can’t “telegraph” any information on what is “the most sensitive matter before the nation”. His responses were in reply to questions asked by Scoop as he was leaving the discussion venue.

During the discussion, which was organized by the Congressional Out of Iraq caucus headed by Rep. Maxine Waters, former Senator George McGovern, journalist Bob Woodward, and two other authors, Ron Suskind and Michael Isikoff, were asked by Rep. Stephen Cohen if—politics aside—they thought impeachment was warranted.

Isikoff, author of “Hubris”, suggested that Conyers should answer, but gave no answer himself. Woodward passed on the question of impeachment and said “there’s abundant evidence that it’s a legal war.” McGovern stated that he didn’t think “the mood of the country would carry it very far, but I do think misleading the Congress to get into the war is impeachable…. The grounds for impeachment are stronger than the ones we had against Nixon.” Suskind, author of “The One Percent Solution”, didn’t get the opportunity to answer, as Rep. Waters tried to move along the discussion.

Conyers then said to the four panelists, “Why is it all but one of you chose not even to speak to the issue? Every member up here is being besieged by people demanding an impeachment action be begun,” adding that “this is the subject that governs what happens in 2008. This is the subject that people are coming to us asking ‘if they don’t apply now, when will they ever apply?’”—meaning the impeachment provisions.

Woodward’s response was, “You’ve just fortified me in my resolve NOT to answer. What is the job of a reporter? It is limited. It is not the job of a reporter to make a judgment.” He pointed out that he didn’t do so even during the Watergate investigations, instead presenting facts in a neutral way, as is the job of a reporter. “To step out of that would be to cripple us. We need independent inquiry. We have a very limited role in this.”

Isikoff said he agreed with everything Woodward said, but that “there’s a lot we still don’t know.” On the question of whether it was a valid subject to be reporting, he thought Yes. Suskind responded that “All of us are trying to find the right line on the rule of law.” Earlier he said he thought that politicians and officials no longer thought it was bad policy to lie to a reporter, and that “you need to trust truth”.

Oh, fuck you Isikoff … “don’t know”?!?!?!

About twenty members of the public attended the event and the only daily media presence beside Scoop was a Fox cameraman. Although held in a committee room, it was not a formal committee hearing so was not recorded by the House. It ended after 8 pm.

10. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

Impeachment “Under Active Consideration” – Conyers

Now might I do it pat, now he is praying;
And now I’ll do’t. And so he goes to heaven;
And so am I revenged. That would be scann’d:
A villain kills my father; and for that,
I, his sole son, do this same villain send
To heaven.
O, this is hire and salary, not revenge.
He took my father grossly, full of bread;
With all his crimes broad blown, as flush as May;
And how his audit stands who knows save heaven?
But in our circumstance and course of thought,
‘Tis heavy with him: and am I then revenged,
To take him in the purging of his soul,
When he is fit and season’d for his passage?
No!

Up, sword; and know thou a more horrid hent:
When he is drunk asleep, or in his rage,
Or in the incestuous pleasure of his bed;
At gaming, swearing, or about some act
That has no relish of salvation in’t;
Then trip him, that his heels may kick at heaven,
And that his soul may be as damn ‘d and black
As hell, whereto it goes. My mother stays:
This physic but prolongs thy sickly days.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

Buzzy Tells Waxman He Told Cookie About Joining Blackwater

We’re that much closer to a perjury investigation. Buzzy Krongard has told House oversight committee staff what he told TPMmuckraker on Wednesday: that he told his brother, State Department Inspector General Howard “Cookie” Krongard, about his decision to join the advisory board of State Department contractor Blackwater. Cookie Krongard told the committee on Wednesday his brother had told him no such thing.

Waxman says he’ll hold a hearing the week of December 3 to determine if Krongard lied to the committee under oath. Both Krongard brothers will be invited to testify. And you thought your last family reunion was awkward. But will Howard Krongard resign before then?

They just lie … they can’t help themselves.

12. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

LOL. More from the Ron Paul Monopoly Money Raid

“They took everything, all of the computers, everything but the desks and chairs,” Norfed’s founder and executive director, Bernard von NotHaus, said in a telephone interview from his home in Miami. “The federal government really is afraid.”

How the fuck is a guy named NotHaus reached at HOME???
What the fuck is likely to happen to the guy? NotHouse Arrest?

13. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

LOL -HairClub, for a minute there I thought ya got busted… :D

14. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

LOL -HairClub, for a minute there I thought ya got busted

Hell no. I want Nazis to send me real money not fake money.

To show you just how much of an East Coast suburbanite I am, I have to admit I’ve never heard of all these alternative currency scams.

Jeez the heartland is a weird place.

15. melvin - 16 November 2007

12 — Laughing through the tears. Who knows any more? Ask Cookie and Buzzy and Condi and Brownie and Turdblossom (? – must have been a real riot at prep school) and Scooter. I think W gets high and finds these people in the phone book.

16. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

Although I have to say that this fake money thing strikes me as one of those quasi legal/quasi illegal things people do in the gray zone that the government will wink at for a long time then get around to cracking down on when they finally notice.

It seems that Paul’s followers are paying the price for Paul’s elevated profile. The feds looked up some of what was going on and went “aha”.

Of course had this been Muslims in Detroit and not a bunch of white guys in Idaho they would have long since been at Gitmo with diapers on their heads and water poured down their lungs.

17. marisacat - 16 November 2007

oh someone tell me Bernard is not real. 8)

What a hoot.

BUT I think all campaigns are doing this – a form of legal/illegal cash flow, one sort or thet other.. Just cash, hand over fist, anyway you can.

18. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

George Wallace shooter Arthur Bremer has been released from prison.
Apparently, he was immediately offered celebrity blogging and Advance Man positions by a majority of the Democratic Presidential Campaigns.

You guys better pray the writer’s strike ends or I’m gonna keep this up.

19. melvin - 16 November 2007

16 Local minimart has all sorts of joke phony bills with big dawg and others on the wall. No one is ever prosecuted. How does this fit in with local bucks recognized as worth a certain value? First amendment? Did they claim it was Treasury Dept issu or something? If not, whta is the problem?

20. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

Don’t know but Greenwald (being a lawyer) owes us another article on this.

BTW, there are some scary comments from “liberals” at Neiwert’s site to the effect that since Greenwald was Matt Hale’s lawyer, he’s been intimidated into being a spokeperson for neonazis in the form of talking up Ron Paul.

Translation: If you’re the terrorist’s lawyer, you’re with the terrorists.

Brandon Mayfield learned this the hard way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield

And this is from “liberals”.

21. melvin - 16 November 2007

Forget Newsweek. porn is where the money is still. I want to see some MAMZ-tits!

22. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

Forget Newsweek. porn is where the money is still.

How in God’s name can they add any more porn to the internet than it’s already got?

Doesn’t it collapse of its own weight or something after awhile?

23. marisacat - 16 November 2007

I fully admit, the word liberal is gone.

LOL and the joke is on me, I staged a one woman campaign to protect the word for 25 years. Swore at dinner parties I’d put it on my tombstone.

When I heard Jimmy say that Kennedy got “all the liberals” to vote for Anderson and undercut his re-election, I laughed out loud. I had never been one.

I don’t like “progressive”… never did. Mostly I say I am “of the left”.

Seems vague enough.

24. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

Hey I’m all for barter, microfinance, etc, but these guys are selling copper coins for a buck. How big are the motherfuckers? The size of Frizbees? Fuckin’ Wall Clocks?

Copper’s $3.20 a pound

http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/

25. marisacat - 16 November 2007

I guess there is always more porn/more porn… and a good place for programmers to hang and get a paycheck. Or so it seems…

26. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

23. le sinistre

27. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

“Liberal” outside of the United States means “right wing” anyway.

I kind of like Greenwald’s “don’t fucking label me” attitude.

28. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

Chavez vs. the King of Spain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071116/wl_afp/venezuelaspaindiplomacyroyals_071116220433

The populist and virulently anti-American Chavez made his comments during the television interview on the eve of a foreign visit that begins on Saturday

“Virulently anti-American”?

How about those Americans he offered to send cheap gas?

29. marisacat - 16 November 2007

i thought he did send the cheap gas, last winter… and god knows it is all more this year. Or so it seems…………….

30. marisacat - 16 November 2007

while I was at the Marin I-J I see that Republicans in Tiburon Like Obama!

It’s a race to collect Republicans, evangelicals, Nascar Dads and whoever else might be a rightie.

[I]t was unbelievable,” she said. “He came in and gave a great speech, really just talking about his background.”

He also fielded questions about the war in Iraq, Pakistan, education and other issues.

“There were people, who were admittedly Republicans, who left very intrigued by him,” she said.

“He gave really thoughtful and detailed answers,” Hamamoto said. “He talked about having the courage to do what’s necessary to affect some changes.

“He did talk about why he would be more effective than Hillary,” Hamamoto said, adding that Obama said he would be less divisive than New York. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The event was co-hosted by a committee of Obama backers, including Denise Bauer and Leni and Marriner Eccles of Belvedere and Bill and Marie McGlashan of Mill Valley.

It was the second time in about a year he has visited Marin. He appeared at a benefit in September 2006, before he formally launched his campaign for the White House.

His two top Democratic rivals have made recent campaign stops in Marin. John Edwards appeared at a September affair in Mill Valley, and Clinton appeared later that month at a Tiburon event.

31. marisacat - 17 November 2007

Very sorry! Found this in spam from madman, it was meant for the last thread:

Madman in the Marketplace |

The abortion ship’s doctor

Rebecca Gomperts, abortion doctor and activist, arrives straight from Heathrow, dressed in a smart suit, a big smile lighting up her girlish face. She is stopping off briefly en route to another engagement – a special screening of the film Vera Drake. She isn’t keen. “I’ve seen it lots of times,” she sighs, adding mischievously: “I’m going to try to get out of it.”

The event has been organised to tie in with the 40th anniversary of the 1967 abortion act, which is also the reason Gomperts, 41, is in Britain. She is the founder of Women on Waves (WoW), a radical Dutch organisation that sails an “abortion ship” to countries where the procedure is illegal, before taking women out to the safety of international waters to provide terminations.

Gomperts’ reluctance to see the Mike Leigh film is not because she is uninterested in the subject matter then. Her passion is evident, but after eight years of being involved in the fray over the abortion debate, she is keen to focus solely on her next voyage. Her goal, she states firmly, is to “get out of Europe”.

“So far we have sailed to Ireland, Poland and Portugal, all when abortion was illegal, with varying degrees of success, but we are looking to visit either South America or Africa next summer,” she says. “Wherever we go there is a lot of press attention and opposition from anti-abortion groups but it is in developing countries that women really suffer because of unsafe and illegal abortions. That is why it is important for us to go there and raise awareness, however difficult it may be.”

An article published in the Lancet medical journal earlier this year backs up her view that the burden of unsafe abortion is borne disproportionately by the poor, the disadvantaged and the young. There are an estimated 210m pregnancies worldwide each year, of which one in five ends in an abortion. An estimated 20m unsafe abortions are carried out each year, 97% of them in developing countries. According to the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), complications from unsafe abortions account for 70,000 deaths annually, as well as countless injuries.

“It’s such a waste of life,” says Gomperts. “As a doctor, I look at the abortion issue from a health perspective and the fact is that an early abortion is safer than giving birth. That is not meant to promote abortion because if women want to have children it is a risk they are naturally willing to take. However, if they don’t want them they should never be forced to take that risk.”

Nov 16, 7:58 PM

32. marisacat - 17 November 2007

and this comment of BHHM was lost in spam, TWICE.. very sorry! link to the comment in the last thread:

LINK

33. marisacat - 17 November 2007

From a BBC report on the 30K draw down (or whatever it is) and the Petraeus testimony in congress.

Oh good luck everybody…

Congress poised [could the BBC add that "poised" is it, for congress. they are eternally "poised" ------ Mcat]

Eyes now shift to Congress.

It seems that for the moment, Mr Bush has the initiative against his critics there and may once again be able to stave off demands for a timetable to withdraw.

Democrats are looking at some other ways of influencing policy – for example by setting limits on the length of tours for the military in Iraq.

Whether Gen Petraeus really thinks he is being given enough time is not known. He co-wrote the US army manual on counterinsurgency, of which this operation is the first major test.

The manual stresses the long-term nature of the commitment.

He would probably have preferred the reinforcements to stay, but senior generals are political animals as well and Gen Petraeus has had to tailor his suit to the cloth available.

34. marisacat - 17 November 2007

I picked this up frm a comment from a volunteer cleaner, from Zuna Surf:

I’ve learned a couple of things. The bunker fuel spilled here is the most residual of residual fuel oils. Bunker oil is what is left after refining strips off every short carbon chain they can sell. Which makes me wonder, the refractory (polluting) components found in 58,000 gallons of bunker fuel (and landing on our beaches) is equivalent to how large of an equivalent crude oil spill (with all the lighter components still in the mix)? One web page estimates 10x to 14x. I’ll let you do the math.

The EPA also assures me that there is no significant vapor phase to bunker fuel. I now wonder how to explain the flaming purple (!?!) sunsets with the sun 3x or more it’s typical size we saw in the first days after the spill? By day 3 you could actually see the sun sink under the ceiling of this purple-amplifying and magnifying layer over the ocean. Hmmm, still wondering….

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

We’re Tribal all right , Violent- Stone- Age- Tribal. – BHHM

Only worse, in some ways, because our tribes are all-but divorced from any stabilizing tradition or genuine ties. Any serious strain and they’ll shred like tissue paper.

36. JJB - 17 November 2007

Yeeessshhh!

Conyers then said to the four panelists, “Why is it all but one of you chose not even to speak to the issue? Every member up here is being besieged by people demanding an impeachment action be begun,” adding that “this is the subject that governs what happens in 2008. This is the subject that people are coming to us asking ‘if they don’t apply now, when will they ever apply?’”—meaning the impeachment provisions.

Uhh, John, you are an elected representative, and a member of the body charged with investigating whether articles of impeachment should be voted on. These other people have no legal standing in this matter, they are merely private citizens, and while their opinions on the matter might be interesting (I’d love to know where Woodward gets the idea that “there’s abundant evidence that it’s a legal war”), they are beside the point.

If you don’t want to do your job, I’m sure there are plenty of people willing to take your place.

37. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

Bangladesh cyclone looks worse than Katrina.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071117/ap_on_re_as/bangladesh_cyclone

38. Miss Devore - 17 November 2007

37-except we actually don’t know the real death tol of Katrina.

39. marisacat - 17 November 2007

Apparnetly Conyers has forgotten about the arrests of people trying to speak with him in his Hill offices.

Rev Yearwood for ne. Cindy Sheehan for another. Wright and McGovern too.

He needs to go home. To bed.

40. marisacat - 17 November 2007

Pfaff in the IHT:

PARIS: The predictable (and predicted) decline of the second wave of anti-Nicolas Sarkozy strikes and left-wing demonstrations that started on Wednesday has confirmed the success of the new French president in dividing his critics and opponents, reinforcing a new climate of French public opinion in support of “reform.”

The nature and extent of his reform remains hazy (it certainly is not to “Americanize” France, nor is it to Europeanize it in the way the European Commission might like). However, the reform program has begun very specifically. Sarkozy had promised before his election to end the special retirement privileges enjoyed by certain categories of workers, to pass legislation requiring minimum service in public transport during strikes, and to remedy the deplorable condition of French universities (the poor, open-admissions relatives of the famous “grands ecoles”).

The rank and file is not so sure. It feels left out. One grizzled railroad striker said bitterly: “There’s the right; there’s the caviar left; and there’s the sausage left. That’s us.

41. marisacat - 17 November 2007

Tony Judt in the NYRoB on Reich’s new book. And again, what a shit Reich is.

[T]his is all well said. But what is to be done? Here Reich is less forthcoming. The facts he amasses appear to point to an incipient collapse of the core values and institutions of the republic. Congressional bills are written to private advantage; influential contributors determine the policies of presidential candidates; individual citizens and voters have been steadily edged out of the public sphere. In Reich’s many examples it is the modern international corporation, its overpaid executives, and its “value-obsessed” shareholders who seem to incarnate the breakdown of civic values. These firms’ narrowly construed attention to growth, profit, and the short term, the reader might conclude, has obscured and displaced the broader collective goals and common interests that once bound us together.

But this is not at all the conclusion Robert Reich would have us reach. In his version of our present dilemmas no one is to blame.::snip::

42. marisacat - 17 November 2007

LOL, Mirrir Mirror on the wall: who is the kindest governess of all?

Clinton Has Dirt on Obama; McCain to Skip Iowa?

By Robert Novak

WASHINGTON — Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the party’s presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to use it. The nature of the alleged scandal was not disclosed.

This word-of-mouth among Democrats makes Obama look vulnerable and Clinton look prudent. It comes during a dip for the front-running Clinton after she refused to take a stand on New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s now discarded plan to give driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.

Experienced Democratic political operatives believe Clinton wants to avoid a repetition of 2004, when attacks on each other by presidential candidates Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt were mutually destructive and facilitated John Kerry’s nomination.

43. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

35 Madman re Tribalism….
Yes. I’ve been wrestling with this:

Only worse, in some ways, because our tribes are all-but divorced from any stabilizing tradition or genuine ties. Any serious strain and they’ll shred like tissue paper. -Madman

An easy place to see it is online. We could easily hear criticism that any online forum is disingenuous. The prob I see with the DK/DP maladventure is the clear behaviour that is NOT coming from a place grounded in any way of intramural acceptance, tolerance etc. “Big Tent” LOL. Not one to stand up in the winds..Hardly a peaceable tribe, It rewards the opposite in fact. It’s NOT a group of individuals likely to reassess their loyalties based on principles of equality or equanimity at the core. In their instance, The shredding and falling apart is not one of anal retention of online chitty chatters, its a shredding, an abandonement of the very princples they purport to uphold, the principles they claim provide their raison d’etre..

I see tribalism as a virtually inescapable reality, certainly not to the point that equitable aggregation can render exceptionalism as superfluous… I “reality test” on that which has been demonstrably repeated. The Nazis, Theists of all Stripes, and Capitalists of course, are all right there, and then sadistically seize on it.. They follow with incredible sleight of hand , as they use this phenom of tribalism to

— “justify” their intramural legitimacy , and
— the “inevitability” of their ascendancy, and to
exclude any alternatives for their survival other than
—to “mandate” Dominion, Empire, “New World Order” etc…
……pick your wrapping paper…

[sounds like the Clinton campaign--too easy, ALL guilty..]

This of course is heavily dependent on denial of the inevitably Life Destroying and Planet Killing consequences…

Physically to be sure, in terms of home, life sustaining work, and RL social interaction, we all live in small tribes. Unlike the Clintons, we can not with a straight face send greetings to several hundred thousand of “our closest friends” , or perpetuate lies of “village” while sanctioning ruin, (let’s call it as it is) ..sanctioning RUIN of villages , save their TheoCapitalistic War-waging own….

I am aware of “my” (our) tribe’s fragility, certainly on an Earth ecologically hanging in the balance and the world run-over by many Larger, Armed and War-making Tribes gathered in their Councils. Who hasn’t seen, or at least comprehended from the digitally mediated Smoke Signals, that many of our genuine Brothers and Sisters can be seen being brutally over-run on the horizon? And we’re not talking Blahg Life here…We’re now talking about the “normalcy” of domestic taser electrocution, yet claim “aberation” over the genital electrodes applied at Abu Ghraib and the CIA Gulags.. We now see a Gangster , Militia, and Military Meta Tribe to the degree that Blackater’s Commercial Army has emerged. Alarmingly, it is as effectively lethal, strategically positioned, and as well defended as any Nation State with an ability to summon Hellfire missles followed by tanks and combat infantry rolling into civilian neighborhoods. Surreally, Their small arms fire is but a bit of it….

So Who will continue to be fooled by the parade of false entreaties?. …Aren’t we past the promises of Missionaries and the Traders.? Or making them?

Only those engaged in gouging their own eyes out now, can’t see beyond the calculated use of “diversity” with the phoney indigenous outreach of Elephantine Emissaries and the Horsemen riding on jackasses. They are Armed to the teeth. They come to Plunder. Only Mechanized Life and Death are assured upon accepting the trinkets of their offer.

Don’t take less in the Devil’s bargain, but work less, live on less, denying profit accrual where possible off your back….
Refuse. Resist.

44. melvin - 17 November 2007

A real tribalism would be an improvement over atomization. Momentarily shared cheering and jeering does not a tribe make.

I can dream of reintegration with the world, even make it happen to a small degree – for me – and at least not let them steal my life. But what larger good does it do in a world hellbent on throwing itself under the juggernaut?

45. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

Actually the slightest perceived threat to comfort is where the cheaply made and sold social fabric tears. Till death do us part four bed, fam room with a garage gives way real quick when thoughtlessly running on the wheel …I should qualify that it’s hardly an abandonment of principles i.e egalitarianism if you really weren’t coming from there to begin with.

46. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

I agree melvin. I’d say good doesnt have to be large when we’re talking about survival. And We are.

47. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

Also mcat 42

LOL. Novak of all people as the conduit for Hill’s Whispering campaign about Obama…Kinda just fits….
I’ve said a lot recently that Obama’s her Boy, in the sense that the orhanage and adoption agency is all populated by her people.
She’s about to leave baby on the Doorstep, and certainly not about to reunite later for an Obamanable Coupling later on in the big white house with the fence. Wouldn’t be prudent.

48. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

From Monkey Boy to Otto Von Bismarck in 12 Easy Months: How George W. Bush Pacified Iraq Conquered the Democratic Party and Guaranteed His Place in History

http://www.rogouski.com/2007/11/from-monkey-boy-to-otto-von-bi.html

49. marisacat - 17 November 2007

BHHM

Glen Ford and Bruce Dixon at BAR have maintained, from the get go of this season, that she plans Obama for Numero Due.

Now they are much close to Chicago politics (fo which I know very little) and have interacted with obama for years.

I have a hard time seeing it, but maybe if she adequately kneecaps him, then he IS acceptable.

She seems to be working on it.

I am reminded that the Clintons put about lies about Jerry Brown in 92, lies that he is still angry about and spent almsot two years pinning down in every way that it was lies. it had to do wtih a house of his in the canyons, drug use and emplying State Troopers.

Frankly think I am hearing a Bill Clinton reality superimposed on the ex seminarian.

I am sick to death of them all. Even obama and his “uhs'” and pauses is working his way to those small things being sins.

what FUCK UPS.

***********

melvin

every time we list “tribalism” as a sin of the MEeners… I cry inside: I will take some of that!

Godammit…

50. Miss Devore - 17 November 2007

the Clintons are vindictive, pure and simple.

51. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

Military Cloning Project

Why not just come out and Say Cheney???

52. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

.
…………………”It’s unprecedented for the commander of an active theater to be brought back to head something like a brigadier generals board,” said retired Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, former head of the Army War College. A senior defense official said Petraeus is “far too high-profile for this to be a subtle thing.”

The board, composed of 15 Army generals, will examine a pool of more than 1,000 colonels to select about 40 brigadier generals, expected to lead the service over the next decade or longer……..

Go Democrats! Big changes are right around the corner! Promise!

53. marisacat - 17 November 2007

suicide by president.

Not jsut the mil and its officer class, not just the shreds of the once mighty Democratic party, not just the government institutions and agencies — BUT THE NATION.

54. BooHoohooMan - 17 November 2007

Jesus I hear PANIC in this leak,
A Major Story Breaking on the FP of the NYT

A three pager on the web…
a mix of Declassification , Fear, Rationale for Intervention, and CYA….

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/washington/18nuke.html?hp

U.S. Secretly Aids Pakistan in Guarding Nuclear Arms

By DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: November 18, 2007

WASHINGTON, Nov. 17 — Over the past six years, the Bush administration has spent almost $100 million so far on a highly classified program to help Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s president, secure his country’s nuclear weapons, according to current and former senior administration officials.

Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that he was confident about Pakistani security.
Related
Musharraf Refuses to Say When Emergency Will End (November 18, 2007)
Bush Failed to See Musharraf’s Faults, Critics Contend (November 18, 2007)

But with the future of that country’s leadership in doubt, debate is intensifying about whether Washington has done enough to help protect the warheads and laboratories, and whether Pakistan’s reluctance to reveal critical details about its arsenal has undercut the effectiveness of the continuing security effort.

The aid, buried in secret portions of the federal budget, paid for the training of Pakistani personnel in the United States and the construction of a nuclear security training center in Pakistan, a facility that American officials say is nowhere near completion, even though it was supposed to be in operation this year.

—–IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH!—-

A raft of equipment — from helicopters to night-vision goggles to nuclear detection equipment — was given to Pakistan to help secure its nuclear material, its warheads, and the laboratories that were the site of the worst known case of nuclear proliferation in the atomic age.

While American officials say that they believe the arsenal is safe at the moment, and that they take at face value Pakistani assurances that security is vastly improved, in many cases the Pakistani government has been reluctant to show American officials how or where the gear is actually used.

That is because the Pakistanis do not want to reveal the locations of their weapons or the amount or type of new bomb-grade fuel the country is now producing.

The American program was created after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when the Bush administration debated whether to share with Pakistan one of the crown jewels of American nuclear protection technology, known as “permissive action links,” or PALS, a system used to keep a weapon from detonating without proper codes and authorizations.

In the end, despite past federal aid to France and Russia on delicate points of nuclear security, the administration decided that it could not share the system with the Pakistanis because of legal restrictions.

In addition, the Pakistanis were suspicious that any American-made technology in their warheads could include a secret “kill switch,” enabling the Americans to turn off their weapons.

While many nuclear experts in the federal government favored offering the PALS system because they considered Pakistan’s arsenal among the world’s most vulnerable to terrorist groups, some administration officials feared that sharing the technology would teach Pakistan too much about American weaponry. The same concern kept the Clinton administration from sharing the technology with China in the early 1990s.

The New York Times has known details of the secret program for more than three years, based on interviews with a range of American officials and nuclear experts, some of whom were concerned that Pakistan’s arsenal remained vulnerable. The newspaper agreed to delay publication of the article after considering a request from the Bush administration, which argued that premature disclosure could hurt the effort to secure the weapons.

Since then, some elements of the program have been discussed in the Pakistani news media and in a presentation late last year by the leader of Pakistan’s nuclear safety effort, ,b>Lt. Gen. Khalid Kidwai, who acknowledged receiving “international” help as he sought to assure Washington that all of the holes in Pakistan’s nuclear security infrastructure had been sealed.

The Times told the administration last week that it was reopening its examination of the program in light of those disclosures and the current instability in Pakistan. Early this week, the White House withdrew its request that publication be withheld, though it was unwilling to discuss details of the program.

55. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

Amanda Marcotte on Glenn Greenwald

http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/11/15/do-it-to-stop-war-then/

Paul’s supporters are a weird mix of white supremacists, kooks who use the misleading label “libertarian”, and naive people who like the idea of legalizing weed and stopping the war. This is what we need to happen with these three groups: The first needs to be completely marginalized, without any influence at all over major party candidates. The second isn’t going anywhere, but they’re really just Republicans with particularly acute masculine anxiety issues and will probably vote for Giuliani anyway. The third need to sack up, grow a brain and vote for the Democrats

56. marisacat - 17 November 2007

hmm just last night on This Week with Gwen Ifill, Sanger claimed we do not know WHERE the nuclear installations are…

meanwhile Pervez gets pedicures and manicures… and Sanger acted like we had no leverage to demand more.

But again like Katrina… I say this is what we want.

The spill, thirty beaches closed, volunteers turned away: that is what they WANT.

A terrible chaotic war that threatens nuclear accidnts and full on regional war: that is what they want.

A dismissive dictator wtih nukes: that is what they want.

57. marisacat - 17 November 2007

55

calling ms xeno:

we need a good trashing of marcotte. Nobody does it like ms xeno.

so sick of the Dem party bitches.

58. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

so sick of the Dem party bitches.

If Greenwald were talking up Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader the vitriol against him would be even worse.

Ron Paul’s Nazi supporters let Neiwert and Marcotte think they’re being noble anti-fascist warriors, Tom Hanks storming the beach at Normandy.

What they’re really worried about are people bolting the dems over the war.

59. marisacat - 17 November 2007

What they’re really worried about are people bolting the dems over the war. — HC

absolutely, this is at the core of everything.

They are desperate that people should vote for them.

And I keep saying, many/most will. If they keep the illusion going that voting ‘Dem” means something and thus can keep the shredded cocoon of denial up… they will do it.

SOme will fall away, but too few.

60. marisacat - 17 November 2007

And of course GG will not be doing either of thses things:

If Greenwald were talking up Cynthia McKinney or Ralph Nader the vitriol against him would be even worse. ———- HC

61. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

absolutely, this is at the core of everything.

And if you vote for a progressive leftist on a third party ticket you deserve to get your head busted as much as a Nazi does.

The deputy mayor of New Paltz NY (who’s a native American and a Green) said she got hundreds of death threats from Democrats after 2000, HUNDREDS.

Greenwald’s just an honest civil libertarian.

The attacks on him are either stupid like “he’s too young so he doesn’t understand” (uh, he’s 38) or out and out authoritarian (“he was Matt Hale’s lawyer so the Nazis have something on him and we can’t trust him”).

62. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

And of course GG will not be doing either of thses things:

He actually hates Giuliani so much he’ll be talking up Hillary before long and Amanda Marcotte will forgive him.

63. marisacat - 17 November 2007

ugh I am NOT a GG fan. But for reasons other than the Dem party bullshit.

I am wary of expats. It is not a great community on the whole.

64. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007

So many disturbing facets here….

What the fuck is going on here…
Setting up the Brush off of Nuke Treaties?
CYA pending a loose nuke or false flag op of the same?
Fuck the Tin Foil charge, and the idiots who preclude such a possibility out of hand…
We are in a Criminal global, and undeclared War for Fossil Feuls …
I don’t put anything past Cheney…

“There were a lot of people who feared that once we headed into Afghanistan, the Taliban would be looking for these weapons,” said a senior official who was involved. But a legal analysis found that aiding Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program — even if it was just with protective gear — would violate both international and American law.

This characterization is almost visibly embossed by the Administration… there’s gotta be an interesting backstory to this involving the Spooks, their Lawyers and the White House holding a very coercive leash on the Times….

65. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

I am wary of expats. It is not a great community on the whole.

Do you think the fact that he *was* Matt Hale’s lawyer might have something to do with it?

Terrorists can often turn on their lawyers, especially Nazis on gay Jewish ones.

But I doubt any of Matt Hale’s crew could find their way to Brazil through all the Meth fumes.

On the other hand, some neocons found someone in Homeland Security to snoop on Greenwad’s travel schedule and post the dates and times of his flights back and forth to NYC and Brazil.

That would sure scare the living crap out of me.

66. BooHooHooMan - 17 November 2007
67. marisacat - 17 November 2007

I don’t especially care about GG, actually. I find it distasteful that he superglued himself to the Dem party netroots for fun and profit. I doubt in the end, other than much nattered about lightweight thrown together books and a spot at Salon, that it will mean much.

I am suspciious as well of the Wilson Plame games. They too superglued themselves to Dkos, FDL etc. And emptywheel of Next Sneeze Last Chance. “Fitzmas” online putsch stank of a Dem party op.

As for ferreting out GG travel details, does he know it was Neocons that did it?

I rather suspect GG has enemies and adversaries in a few camps. I just don’t care for him.

68. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

It is not a great community on the whole.

Ever read Conrad’s “Under Western Eyes”?

Brilliant dissection of expats.

Or “The Secret Agent”?

Equally brilliant novel about false flag operations.

69. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

As for ferreting out GG travel details, does he know it was Neocons that did it?

It was a fan of one of the LGF/Freep sites.

For me, if someone posted my travel schedule on the internet, I’d be like yawn, OK. Thanks for caring.

Since I’ve sold a number of photos off of Indymedia sites I also LIKE to be out in the open.

BUT if I had been Matt Hale’s lawyer and had enough contact with *that* crowd I don’t know if I’d want many people to know the intimate details of my travels.

Kind of a death threat. And since most people assume (like me) that there aren’t many people in the world who want to kill them, it’s also a very clever death threat. Unless you’re aware that Greenwald had dealt with some hard core white supremacists, you’d just assume it was a prank.

Personally the only problem I have with Greenwald is the fact that he can’t edit.

As Justin Raimondo wrote, “Greenwald went on, and on, and on, and on…”

FWIW, btw, David Neiwert did a pretty good job of trolling Raimondo and Raimondo came over the Neiwert’s site and got into a flaming match with some of his regulars.

But now Neiwert’s presenting himself as the big hero boy because some Nazis wrote nasty stuff about him on a web forum.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/feel-love.html

I remember during the John Edwards flap Lindsey Beyerstein said “I have trolls but nobody hates me. Amanda Marcotte has real enemies.”

I wonder what that was all about.

70. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

I am suspciious as well of the Wilson Plame games.

That’s pretty obvious. It’s FUN to get your ass kissed.

Hey computer nerds. We’re a real Kool Secret Agent Couple.

I’m sure Elise sees herself shooting down trolls with panache…

71. marisacat - 17 November 2007

ugh I had a very difficult disjointed day… and thru it, the Notre Dame game was on one of the TVs… I did not even notice who they played. BUT I did catch the commercials for some reason.

What sickening bullshit. Nationalism. militarism, spreading fear about security, some dipshit brainless girl who “was a freshman on 9/11″ was one of the commericals. Telling us how “the country changed that day”.

It was horrifying. A mantra repeated thru the game… and then damn if the ND team did not win. Much weeoing form those emotional fuckups the Irish (or “Irish for a day”, you know how it goes). And then a commerical promoting the ‘Fighting Irish”.

We are in such a mess. And so many will vote for the bullshit come November of next year.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

Don’t take less in the Devil’s bargain, but work less, live on less, denying profit accrual where possible off your back….
Refuse. Resist.

well said.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

good post over at your place, Hair.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

speaking of Chicago politics, This American Life had an interesting rememberance of Harold Washington’s mayoralty.

Listening to the attitudes of racist white ethnic voters looking back on him, and how his “more fair than fair” governing style changed the city, was interesting.

75. marisacat - 17 November 2007

latest update from ZunaSurf/Kill the Spill (and Pacifica beach had officially reopened at 10 am today – like Ocean Beach here, OB has been rewashed iwth oil more than once, after an official re-opening then closure):

Sat 11.17 | Day 11: Pacifica’s Shelter Cove: Oil Found

Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2007 by zunawahine

We received an afternoon call from a Shelter Cove resident whose neighbor found oil washing up on the beach today, Saturday. We’ve put her in touch with Pacifica contacts, and are waiting for an update.

Shelter Cove is the private residential area just south of Linda Mar Beach. – ZunaSurf

Filed under: Region: Ocean Beach | No Comments »

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

“I have trolls but nobody hates me. Amanda Marcotte has real enemies.”

Because she’s a good looking woman with big tits she likes to flaunt who makes fun of religious people. That’s about the extent of it … it’s not that she ever writes anything particularly insightful or original. Uppity attractive woman who attack religion are going to get unwelcome attention from damaged people wedded to those superstitions. It’s a fact of life.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007
78. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

This Should Be Funny

look forward to watching Republicans and right-wing bloggers, after close to 8 years holding the lube while Bush and company give it to the Constitution right and proper, re-discover the grand old document:

Boston police are launching a program that will call upon parents in high-crime neighborhoods to allow detectives into their homes, without a warrant, to search for guns in their children’s bedrooms.
more stories like this

The program, which is already raising questions about civil liberties, is based on the premise that parents are so fearful of gun violence and the possibility that their own teenagers will be caught up in it that they will turn to police for help, even in their own households.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

Freedom Rider: Democrats Love Bush

When two Evils play tag team, the “Lesser of Two Evils” argument doesn’t work anymore. Since George Bush took office, Democratic leadership has been his willing accomplice, smacking down every party member that dares to stand up. Dennis Kucinich’s impeachment efforts are treated like an extraterrestrial invasion of Democrat-controlled Capitol Hill. Favored members give a pass to a future attorney general who claims not to understand the definition of torture. With each passing day, it appears the Democrats are more interested in inheriting Bush’s mode of rule, than of ending it. “They want to be in power, but they do not want change of any significance.”

80. marisacat - 17 November 2007

well “high crime” reads Black and Brown neighborhoods. Immigrant neighborhoods, marginal neighborhoods.

And I would guess any neighborhood that has had more than once incidence of violent crime in some time frame that the cops will determine..

Kiss the 4th Amendment good bye.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

funny how they get upset only when GUNS are the target of the state.

Oh, and 9/11 Firefighters and Family Members Plot Anti-Giuliani Ad Campaign makes me rub my hands together in glee.

82. bayprairie - 17 November 2007

Paul’s supporters are a weird mix of white supremacists, kooks who use the misleading label “libertarian”, and naive people who like the idea of legalizing weed and stopping the war.

mizzing marcotte is a bought and paid for intertoob political hack who’s sold her soul to the democratic party for some austin flavored minikos action. she’s a “feminist” was pimps 95-10 for christ’s sake! and more than likely because townhouse told her too. she likes the easy money.

who gives a fuck what that sellout has to say about anything? she’s got zero cred.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

Hillary Heckled At Enviro Forum As Dems Vow A Greener America

LOS ANGELES – Hillary Clinton was peppered by anti-war hecklers at a presidential forum on climate change and energy policy, leading to the forceful expulsion of one protestor from the audience.

“How can you say you’re for the environment when you are always voting for war?” local activist Tyghe Berry shouted out as he stood up from his seat in the audience and interrupted the front-running Democratic candidate as she vowed to make America green if elected President.

“Were you invited to speak here this afternoon?,” responded a visibly perturbed Senator Clinton. Berry was then immediately grabbed by security agents and rushed to a waiting police car by a phalanx of LAPD and federal officers. When Senator Clinton was introduced earlier to the forum she was met with both loud cheers and scattered boos from the predominantly Democratic and liberal audience of approximately 1,000.

84. marisacat - 17 November 2007

madman

I did not hear the NRA get upset (maybe I missed it) when the NO cops began to take guns away from both whites and blacks.

They were on board with the R national and Dem state authoritarians and the NO city thugs….

But what happened in NO drove me insane and should worry anyone. I am not infavor of searches for any reason NOR for confiscation of weapons. Ordinary weapons.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2007

oh, me neither … the 4th Amendment should be inviolate, and frankly gun control is worthless unless we’re willing to deal with racism and classism in this nation, which we’re not.

However, I do find the tripwires for the right to be funny things. Deny unwelcome speech, that’s okay, but start targeting guns …

86. marisacat - 17 November 2007

well environmentalist suck oil if they will not join forces with anti war.

To be frank.

Almost all the “green stuff” suddenly go ing on is nothing more than marketing. I am surrounded by ‘carbon credit’ bullshit chit chat here…

Cannot think of the appropriate cuss words.

87. melvin - 17 November 2007

86 Try to calculate the carbon footprint of the Iraq war – just for shits and giggles, and you can even leave out the cost of lost opportunities.

Part of my great anger with dk etc is the failure to encourage a big, free ranging discussion of these matters, like cap n trade. They are not the only ones, by any means. Some of the NGO’s are very greatly at fault for their lack of transparency, lack of willingness to engage critics like Glen Barry – he of Climate Ark (desperately in need of funds, btw) and much else. Never mind their failure to support Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act, which pisses me off no end. Selling out to be playas. No one can go unexamined, certainly no one with a budget the size of Greenpeace.

Leaving the impression that it is a simple matter of another up or down vote on global warming, and that takes care of that issue, on to the next glorious phase of Dem party rule. It ain’t gonna be easy or simple and there is no use pretending it is.

Failure of Kucinich tonight, when pressed on coal jobs, to come right out and say there aren’t any buggy whip jobs any more either, god damn it. Change happens. You can either be ready or be blindsided.

88. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

Reading “In the Spirit of Crazy Horse” by Peter Mathiessen. Starting to feel a bit less self-righteous in regards to the Israelis.

I’ve actually made the argument that “while Indians were repressed in the past they now enjoy the full rights of American citizens”.

Ummm….I think I got that one wrong…

89. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

BTW, wasn’t Meteor Blades WITH Crazy Horse at the Little Big Horn?

90. marisacat - 17 November 2007

oh here is a sad story – and it throws into high, bright contrast what Kos and the other AdLibbers really are when they accept a simple fucking ad, for cash, esp as they do not have to do that, they don’t have to support Chevron:

Mehdi Shahbazi was a man who championed the consumer and listened to his own counsel as he waged a years-long battle against Exxon Oil and then Shell Oil.
The conflicts cost him his eight service stations – from Salinas to San Jose – his home, his health and his life.

Shahbazi, 65, died Wednesday at Stanford Hospital due to a fast of more than four months to protest the power of oil companies – and as gas prices approach record highs in California.

At his former Marina station – where two years ago he posted a sign that read “Consumers’ pain is Big Oil’s unearned profit!” – customers have erected a memorial of flowers, cards and signs proclaiming love and appreciation.

Until a court decision last month that gave Shell legal control over his final station, Shahbazi was positive he would prevail, said his nephew, Kaz Ajir of Marina.

He was kind, wise and generous beyond imagination,” said Jeffrey Cohen, a Salinas physician who met Shahbazi as a patient and remained a friend for 32 years. “I want people to know that he wasn’t crazy.

He used what he felt was the last non-violent method of protest that he could muster. He was expressing what we all feel.”

91. bayprairie - 17 November 2007

peeking around for some spill news at the sf chron i found
kitties!!!!!

Adoptable kittens at Union Square usher in holiday shopping season
Rob Gammel (right) checks out Clarence, an 8-month-old tabby, in a “Beach Blanket Babylon” display at Macy’s at Union Square.
Chronicle photo by Michael Macor

92. marisacat - 17 November 2007

hmm I was about to add that HcfM Monkeyboy diary is up at PFF… then I saw this sub thread.

LOL May i amend my assessment of donkeytale/titzshitz – I think he is winger astroturf. The “socialist London” would be a giveaway, rather like MB bleating about Maoist Left.

oh yes, and: FUCK THEM ALL.

93. marisacat - 17 November 2007

fresh dead birds turning up, past 24 hours… from Pt Reyes. Just on the 11 pm news.

In other news Gavin Tarball cancels trip to China.

Too hard to hook up with coke dealers in China, is my guess. Easier in Hawai’i or Tahoe or or or or…………

94. bayprairie - 17 November 2007

donkeytail said

My solution to the two parties as one party: boycott the elections, not passively, but loudly, proudly and confrontationally at the polls.

what a .0001% solution.

95. melvin - 17 November 2007

92 Red Ken was supposed to be the apocalypse itself. Crazy policies like pedestrian Trafalgar and congestion taxes would destroy civil society and be the end of the city.

Except they work and prove popular after the fact. Kucinich, anyone?

How can London continue at all without being socialist?

96. marisacat - 17 November 2007

yeah, but donk/shitztitz uses it like an insult

97. bayprairie - 17 November 2007

hey cattle!

get loud proud and confrontational in the chute.

98. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

LOL May i amend my assessment of donkeytale/titzshitz – I think he is winger astroturf.

Probably an Ender or Moon sockpuppet.

99. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

donkeytail said

My solution to the two parties as one party: boycott the elections, not passively, but loudly, proudly and confrontationally at the polls.

The article is about the collusion of both parties and “Donkeytale” is trying to take the discussion down a tangent.

It’s the same style of argument someone will use when you start talking about global warming and he says “oh yeah. Well you drive an SUV”.

100. Hair Club for Men - 17 November 2007

How can London continue at all without being socialist?

Exactly the way New York and Paris work.

Shove the proles out to the far off suburbs and transform the central city into a gated community/police state.

101. melvin - 17 November 2007

99 That crap is everywhere, especially dkos, with all the purity talk. Ted Kennedy can’t argue for tax reform I suppose, because he fills out his tax form using whatever breaks he is given under current code.

This is considered legitimate argument?

I get cowboy welfare, overly generous I would argue. In the meantime I keep the money. Well actually I spread it around but you see my point.

Vote third party by all means!, vote strategically, vote perversely if you must, but vote or STFU. Others may disagree, and it – I mean anything at all – has gone my way a couple times in thirty years of voting.

102. marisacat - 18 November 2007

but vote or STFU

well I won’t be legitimising the choice, which is no choice, between Hillary and Rudy. I sure did nto vote for Kerry, who would have been chased from office had he been allowed to “win”… SBVfT were not going to go away, among other things lit in neon that would be happening. Nor did I vote for Clinton in 96, sure was not going to underwrite fucking bullshite, nor did I ever defend him, for an instance.

As Oriana Falacci said of Berlusconi v Prodi, to vote for either ws sneezing on herself. I would agree.

103. marisacat - 18 November 2007

oh there goes titzshitz again… LOL, as the mask drops he is very amusing:

*[new] just another misdirecting trickster are you? (0.00 / 0)

Oh, I know these immigrants pretty well. I interact with them everyday. Uh, gee, last time I looked my wife was one for heavens sake. She was indentured at FOUR in her home country. She ran away–alone–to America at 14. And she would kill me if she knew I was putting this in public, even anonymously.
Im not ticked off at all. I find you “hairlarious”, just like most of Marisa’s “know it alls.” I’m laughing in your face while hurling insults at you. Its pffun.

You are the perfectly liberal representative of why NOTHING will ever change in this country until all white yuppie liberals like you are dead–or move to France, or wherever the fuck your utopian dreamworld exists.

by donkeytale @ Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 00:20:38 AM PST
[ Parent | Respond to this Idiocy |

LOL he reminds me of a white woman in TX 25 years ago who told me France was communist. Her name was Moselle and she was married to a man everyone called Duke.

Vineyard royalty I suppose. Perhaps Donkshitztitz is Moselle.

Luv thse winger white guys who marry Asian wimmen and then beat us over the head with it. Clue: we are bored, it is a common occurance, winger white guy marries Asian woman. So Webbite of them.

104. marisacat - 18 November 2007

LOL Clintons push back on the Novakula column.

what a hoot:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Top Democratic rivals for president tore into each other on Saturday after a conservative columnist asserted front-runner Hillary Clinton claimed to have damaging information about Barack Obama.

The Clinton campaign denied the accusation, saying Obama’s reaction to the vaguely worded column by Robert Novak played into Republican hands and showed the Illinois senator’s lack of political savvy.

Obama’s team later said they took the Clinton campaign at its word but bristled at the idea they fell for Republican tricks and should not have fought back against “smear politics” in the race for the presidency in the November 2008 election.

Clinton, a senator from New York and the wife of former President Bill Clinton, has been the target of frequent attacks by Obama and some of the other Democratic contenders for the White House over her ability to deliver straight answers.
::snip snippy::

105. Miss Devore - 18 November 2007

anyone else notice that CNN’s on-line “political ticker” is a wordpress blog site?

106. Miss Devore - 18 November 2007

“Kill the Spill” a good idea, since we cannot rely on the government:

http://tinyurl.com/34pdae

107. marisacat - 18 November 2007

oh thanks for rthat Miss D, I kept waiting for the SfGate or Mercury News or Marin I-J to run a story like that, and they never did…

Cleary says they’re likely to be at this for weeks. Several of the beaches they’ve helped clean are slated to be reopened in coming days. But others are still stained by oil — and, as the friends see it, being neglected. They’re talking about forming a nonprofit company so they could bid to clean up a few Marin County beaches that remain off-limits to volunteer efforts.

Accorting to their site, the hope was to get Marin to accept volunteers this weekend… as the beaches up there need help…

what a mess…

8)

108. marisacat - 18 November 2007

hmm BAR has a very tough piece up on Gen Kip Ward who heads AFRICOM. I caught him on Charlie Rose last week. Quite the vision.

109. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Luv thse winger white guys who marry Asian wimmen and then beat us over the head with it.

They’re probably sightly preferable to the wingers who marry Russian women but only slight….

Donkytale’s playing the “I’ll divert attention from the real issue by proposing a ludicrous ‘alternative’ and bash anybody who says it won’t work”.

Kind of like “oh yeah. Well if Al Gore really cared about global warming he wouldn’t be taking a plane now, would he. He’d walk”.

110. marisacat - 18 November 2007

Le Monde Diplomatique on the US’s new back yard.

Western forces are directly involved in ferocious conflicts across the broader Middle East. Afghanistan has collapsed into chaos, dragging US and Nato troops down with it. It will be hard to heal the wounds in Iraq, where religious and ethnic rivalries and resistance to foreign occupation have caused hundreds of thousands of casualties – more, according to some observers, than the Rwandan genocide. Lebanon is mired in a silent civil war between Fuad Siniora’s government and the opposition, centred on Hizbullah and Michel Aoun’s Free Patriotic Movement; despite a significant UN presence, the war with Israel could resume at any moment. Colonisation and repression have accelerated the geographical and social fragmentation of Palestine, and the possibly irreversible collapse of the national movement.

Since Ethiopia’s US-backed intervention in December 2006, Somalia has been called the “new front in the war on terror”. Then there are Darfur, the tensions in Pakistan, a “terrorist threat” in North Africa and the possibility of a new confrontation between Syria and Israel.

111. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

LOL he reminds me of a white woman in TX 25 years ago who told me France was communist. Her name was Moselle and she was married to a man everyone called Duke.

Chavez is the real giveaway. Saying his name is a bit like flashing a crucifix in front of a vampire. Wingers can’t help themselves.

But actually I think the best head of state in the world right now is Evo Morales, and by a pretty considerable margin.

112. marisacat - 18 November 2007

109

agree, he is gaming the conversation. Quite clearly.

*********

Miss D

meant to mention, very sorry to hear of the mess with the car… I hope it resolves – it must be enraging to be towed from your own parking spot at a new place, with your parking tag in view…

;(

113. marisacat - 18 November 2007

111

agree on mentioning Chavez as well. Not all his burbles sit well, but I am willing to “wait and see” right now.

AND agree on Evo… I hope things move along and in fact accelerate in the area…. I find his speeches unbelievably wonderful.

I am hoping anyway…

114. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

I don’t even mind Bachelet or Lula. Both will be entirely more progressive if Latin American gets out from under the shadow of the USA and the neoliberla world order.

115. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Anyway the thing that strikes me about Chavez is the sheer lack of genuine repression.

He would have been well within his right to have had the coup leaders lined up and shot and closed down that winger TV station the day after he got into power.

Instead, he simply let the coup leaders get out of the country and waited for the TV station’s license to equire.

He’s no angel but as we’ve seen in South Africa with Mandela (who was such a good human being that he hugged his jailers after he got out of jail) even if a head of state has the best personal qualities, he and he locks his country into the neoliberal debt, he can still make his own people suffer.

116. marisacat - 18 November 2007

Guatemala – think it was – just had a very hopeful election. I was not able to pay much attention right at the moment… but… it seemed hopeful.

And Correa of Ecuador has been enjoyable to watch as well…

There is hope… 8)

117. marisacat - 18 November 2007

yes I don’t waste a lot of time on Mandela as a leader.

118. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Guatemala – think it was – just had a very hopeful election.

Yeah the old head of the death squads just lost to a halfway decent civilian alternative.

The guy who almost won was behind the murder of Juan Gerardi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Jos%C3%A9_Gerardi_Conedera

You really don’t want someone as president who would conspire to have a 73 year old human rights activist’s brains bashed in.

119. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

This is funny

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1172

I was always confused why that Harry Edwards guy got diary after diary on the rec list because he got up during a Q&A session with Bush and told the crowd Bush sucks.

Eighteen months ago I attended a Town Hall meeting in Albuquerquee with the President and had a chance to speak. I told him that I had never been more ashamed of our leadership in Washington. Understand that I don’t hate Bush. But I am embarrassed and angered and frightened by his leadership. This president does not speak for pinches. He doesn’t speak for most of us here in the 3th District, regardless of whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or pinches.

120. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

Reading “In the Spirit of Crazy Horse” by Peter Mathiessen.

Fantastic book, and damn that fucker Clinton for not pardoning Peltier.

121. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

The story about Shahbazi is heartbreaking. I can’t imagine the courage it takes to throw your body into the gears of the machine the way he did.

I love Evo Morales and Correa of Ecuador. I’m also a fan of how Chavez has handled the whole thing because he’s moving the Overton Window that I like to harp about in Latin America. His more confrontational statements make people like Morales and Correa look moderate in comparison, even though they are championing policies that would have gotten them attacked as communists not all that long ago. Watching what is happening in Latin America now is wonderful, and I hope in a decade or two it moves north.

122. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

The War and the Wimp Factor
Reid blames GOP “bullies” for his party’s spinelessness

I had to laugh, albeit bitterly, when I saw the headline: “Democrats vow not to be bullied by Bush on Iraq.” Oh, the poor dears, are those dastardly Republicans kicking sand in their faces? That wimpishness just about sums up the style and spirit of the Democrats’ alleged “antiwar” campaign. No matter how critical they are of administration policy, they invariably frame the debate in terms of their own alleged weakness. It’s uncanny how this kind of self-sabotage works: it doesn’t matter how overwhelming opposition to the war has become, with something like sixty-plus percent wanting us out, pronto – the Democrats always undercut their own ostensibly antiwar position, and eventually back down.

The claim is that they can’t cut the funding, because they don’t have a veto-proof majority: a defense appropriation bill that didn’t pay for an ongoing “surge” would simply be sent back to Congress, they aver. If, however, in a sudden fit of Ron Paulish integrity and dedication to principle, the Democrats refused to fund the war in spite of the President’s veto, no defense appropriations bill would be passed, and it would come down to who’s to blame for that. We are told that the Democratic leadership fears being targeted for “not supporting the troops,” and even causing an American defeat. Yet it will be the President, exercising his veto power, effectively preventing the entire US military from getting a thin dime.

Not that the Pentagon is in any real danger of running out of money: after all, they have untold billions in assets, including lots of prime real estate in some of the most desirable locations on the good green earth. They can always sell some of those bases, if things gets really hand-to-mouth. I won’t say “privatize,” because I don’t want to scare congressional Democrats away from the idea: think of it as a garage sale.

123. Miss Devore - 18 November 2007

121-except for that presidency for life Chavez is looking for.

And don’t forget–dubya will be moving to his land in Paraguay, that is sitting upon Paraguay’s largest aquifer.

In the smaller picture: I talked (via phone) to the woman who was in my parking space yesterday and asked her why the space number was written on the blank side of the parking tag, instead of the side with the apt. complex logo. She fumbled for the answer. I went down to the garage early this morning and her car is no longer in my space. I looked around to see if it was parked elsewhere, and I must say I am mighty impressed with the with all the shiny new cars and SUV’s in this “affordable housing” place. There was even a Lexus. No wonder they towed my ’87 car without a thought. I’m obviously bringing down the ‘hood.

I went to the Safeway in my old neighborhood this morning, cuz my bank outlet is there. There was a decent price for pork roast (well–as compared to $30 turkeys) so I bought, and was fantasizing a good garlic and rosemary smothered roast, then remembered my rosemary bush was stolen a couple years ago. On the walk back, I remembered there were some rosemary bushes growing outside a restaurant, so as I walked by I took a couple 3″ snips. Then I saw the notice that the place was patrolled by camera 24/7.

I am now a documented rosemary sprig thief.

Yesterday I dropped by the old place to pick up mail, and one of the flowershop workers told me that some guy loaded up a bunch of merchandise and flowers from the back of the shop and went off with them. Well, that’s what happens when you get rid of the chihuahua overlord and his owner.

The shop worker told me he missed me. I guess my ingress and egress with casual conversation was pleasant enough. The owners did have the police drill him regarding the theft.

They took down the IMPEACH sign from my old porch.

124. Miss Devore - 18 November 2007

from san jose mercury press:

” The Vietnamese aren’t going back. Not ever.

Asian Indians, even though they are the newest arrivals to Silicon Valley, own the most valuable real estate.

Mexicans are the youngest.

And the Chinese, though many lack the English skills of some immigrant groups, are thriving in business.”

http://tinyurl.com/25d42b

125. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

Crooks and Liars pointed toward this: the best part of “Sicko”.

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127. The American Thinker? - 18 November 2007

121-except for that presidency for life Chavez is looking for.

The problem in some ways is that the USA makes it impossible for socialists in Latin American to hold power democratically.

The two bad extremes are Allende (dead) and Castro (notice how Castro prevented young Cubans from assuming any leadership positions and how now the Cuban revolution is dying with its old men).

Chavez seems to me to be charting a decent middle course.

Of course he’s not going to be perfect. But you root for your team, perfect or not and when they occasionally cut corners, you deal.

128. The American Thinker? - 18 November 2007

John Bolton needs to be eaten alive by a million fire ants.

129. The American Thinker? - 18 November 2007

After being waterboarded

130. The American Thinker? - 18 November 2007

Re Tony Benn

Don’t fuck with the British in verbal combat. You’ll lose.

131. The American Thinker? - 18 November 2007

Reading “In the Spirit of Crazy Horse” by Peter Mathiessen.

Fantastic book, and damn that fucker Clinton for not pardoning Peltier.

Most Americans simply don’t know anything about Pine Ridge. Fuck, I can’t believe how ignorant I am about all of it.

From the forced steralization of Indian women to the Monument to Genocide (Mt. Rushmore) we’re as bad as the fucking Israelis.

I’m only 124 pages into it and I seriously need to burn a flag.

132. Gayle - 18 November 2007

Marisa @ 29,

Chavez gives oil to Citizens Energy every year. I doubt they could continue without him:

http://www.citizensenergy.com/main/Home.html

“What is the Oil Heat Program?
In partnership with CITGO, Citizens Energy works with thousands of oil heat dealers and local fuel assistance agencies in 16 states to provide deliveries of home heating oil to those in need. This year the Oil Heat Program will provide eligible families a one-time delivery of 100 gallons of home heating oil.”

When Chavez called Bush the Devil at the UN, a bunch of wingers tried to pressure Joe Kennedy into “dropping” Citgo’s partnership. Kennedy called them out in a widely circulated editorial, which IIRC, appeared in both the New York Times and the Boston Globe. He noted the long list of corporations and countries who do business with Citgo–including Halliburton– and told them to take up their concerns with them. He had no intentions of letting old people in the North East freeze to death.

Some of these same critics tried to get the city of Boston to take down our landmark Citgo sign for the same reason. The city had just spent a whole lot of money revamping the landmark and these nuts wanted them to take it down? The city hemmed and hawed for a bit and let the controversy pass quietly. The citizens of Boston made it easy for them to do so, most were against removing the sign because, well, “how can you find Kenmore Square without it.”

133. The American Thinker? - 18 November 2007

Some of these same critics tried to get the city of Boston to take down our landmark Citgo sign for the same reason.

There’s a Citgo near me. I buy gas there whenever I can.

Of course it doesn’t matter that much. Oil’s a fungible commodity and the Chinese would by it if we didn’t.

134. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Oops. “The American Thinker” is me. Stuck on my clipboard after making a list of the wingnuttiest sites on the internets.

135. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

Ca. Fire Documents Conflict With Reports

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Several aircraft were able to fly in strong winds on the first full day of last month’s Southern California firestorms, contradicting officials’ earlier claims that the weather had grounded virtually all aircraft, according to documents released Saturday.

Twenty-eight of 52 aircraft the state was tracking for firefighting efforts remained grounded that day, and high winds were not listed in the documents as the reason.

The documents attempt to answer charges by federal lawmakers, military officials and others that the state did not effectively marshal all its available air resources as a series of blazes began roaring out of control, eventually destroying more than 2,000 homes and killing at least 10 people.

An earlier Associated Press investigation revealed that military helicopters sat grounded for days, in part because of a shortage of state fire “spotters” who are required to be on board military aircraft used for firefighting.

The documents obtained by the AP and other news providers under the California Public Records Act answer some questions while raising others. They also reveal a more detailed and at times different version of events than previously provided by the state’s top fire and emergency officials.

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138. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

I like the concept of the I’m a Mex and I’m a BC videos but they need more focus and better execution.

And they should get a WASPier more uptight looking BC. That’s the appeal of John Hodges in the Mac vs. PC commericials. He’d be even funnier here.

139. Gayle - 18 November 2007

“Oil’s a fungible commodity and the Chinese would by it if we didn’t.”

Yes, absolutely, HC.

I believe JK made that point as well. They wanted him to drop Citgo to make a statement, as in, “we won’t let you give us oil to make yourself look good.”

Who cares if he does it as a PR stunt or not? People who are forced to choose between heat and food don’t give a damn.

140. BooHooHooMan - 18 November 2007

Miss Devore # 123

Bay Area Police have released the composite drawing of
a woman who, authorities say, runs a sophisticated
Herbal Purloining – for – Porkloining Operation.

At the Major Crimes Task Force news conference, details emerged on the suspect’s M.O. while , incidentally, wonderful recipes and techniques were shared by the SFPD Community Relations Program, “From Busting to Basting”.

“We’re not about to let the suspect get a leg up on us over the Holidays” an officer close to the investigation said, while wiping gravy off of Evidence Room Log sheets..

Police were quick to warn the public that the suspect was last seen armed with what appeared to be “one HELLUVA Pork Roast”. She is said to be in the company of a Chihuahua, who, in conflicting reports has been described as both an accomplice and as “some type of medical device”.

“Medically Necessary” the spokesmen clarified and confirmed
a concurrent investigation in which The INS will be delving into the Chihuahua’s background.. Family members and known associates of the dog, AKA “The Little Pisser” are being investigated in an INS counterintelligence action called “Operation Fire Hydrant.”

The spokesman went on:

“This is no White Woman with your Turkey and Bird Dog, here. We’re talkin’ Pork Roast and a Chihuahua. Say The Dog makes off with the roast , he could hole up for months… If you follow the Herb angle, if this pair teams up with ‘the kitty and catnip crowd’, it’s all over…..”

:D

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142. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007
143. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

So why are Ender, Moon and their various sock puppets onto the “blacks screw things up when they get to run things for themelves” kick?

144. aemd - 18 November 2007

IOZ makes The Beast. :-)

“In August, Pittsburgh’s 27-year-old mayor, Luke Ravenstahl, along with his wife and some friends, hopped into a GMC Yukon and went to see a Toby Keith concert. Turns out it’s a sort of double-secret-probation-mobile, purchased with a federal homeland security grant and assigned to a police “intelligence unit.” Questions arise. Politically: Why does Pittsburgh have a 27-year-old mayor? Aesthetically: Why does he listen to Toby Keith? Ontologically: Why is Toby Keith? Practically: What the fuck kind of intelligence do you gather tooling around the hilly neighborhoods of an old steel town only now on the uncertain cusp of a modest economic recovery in a 5,500 lb., 5.7-liter, 320-bhp V8?”

http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2007/11/real-print.html

145. Gayle - 18 November 2007

“Don’t you see how the dollar has been in free-fall without a parachute?” Chavez said, calling the euro a better option.

Yes, many have noticed this. Even our corporate media has noted this is a major factor in the high price of oil.

146. marisacat - 18 November 2007

sorry!

aemd and BHHM out of Moderation…

off to check Spam…

8)

147. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Space. I know own a One Terabyte hard drive. And I’m just about old enough to have been blown away when they started measuring hard drives in Gigs.

148. marisacat - 18 November 2007

hmm the fact that the mayor uses the HLS paid for SUV for pirivate use is an issue with IOZ he has written on it before.

Someown should do an expose of all that terror cash that is floating around. I mean, famously in 2006 iirc the Bay Area ports got

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149. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Someown should do an expose of all that terror cash that is floating around.

Paging Greg Palast…….

150. marisacat - 18 November 2007

it has always seemed to me that the terror money is Cash to the Red States, hush money to everyone… and so on.

Bit by bit we become the SuV – Taser Inc – Surveillance Tech Police State.

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152. marisacat - 18 November 2007

thanks for that madman.

I think the “spill” was a lot bigger than the 58K figure they use. Not just the bit of text that was said on the NBC affiliate, after I saw the sea lions washed up dead at what I think was Angel Island, the very next dawn, the bit of text that said 58K was being looked at as a “conservative estimate”… but it has been reported by one of the local environmental grss roots who appeared at the Senate hearing, that each time the Cosco Busan was moved (which was twice, they kept anchoring it, in the bay, or at Hunter’s Pt, before they took it to dry dock in Oakland) it left a big swathe of this hedious oil.

They so did us. IMO BUsh got a small version of the FEMA trifecta they speculated on before 9/11

NYC by terrorism

NO by hurricane / storm

Bay Area by massive earthqake

153. marisacat - 18 November 2007

143 HC

well I can guess one reason, the endless meme being run that ‘Blacks are less than other minorities’ and just less overall, after all one is running for Veepessa, at best. But a show run for president.

The sad thing is that most programs, from SAfrica to home grown small programs are calculated for failure. Very heartbreaking.

154. marisacat - 18 November 2007

And i might add, despite the amusement earlier of titzshitz calling out VeronicatheViking (pff screen anme), whoever that is, seems to be morphing. Just about on schedule.

So many of these entities arrive, establish a certain political persona and a dominance in threads — and then morph.

who knows.

155. marisacat - 18 November 2007

this is the latest post at Zuna surf

and this is the one comment, so far… I can see the battle now for weeks, the need to keep cleaning, which agencies wanted to shut down in the first few days after the spill. Lately the cleaners RE CLEAN beaches, try to get access to beaches that have not been cleaned (Marin and E Bay) and set about cleaning rocks (the oil is under and around rocks), where it seems the surf is no longer depositing new oil on the beach part…

on November 18th, 2007 at 6:28 pm Said:

From Barbara B:

“The beaches were opened yesterday(OB). We volunteers(city of sf trained with badges and hazmat suits, booties, gloves etc) were kicked off the beach by the feds. Kids and dogs were getting into the many silver dollar to pancake sized shiny bunker fuel. The small warning signs that were pasted to garbage cans listed the wrong # to report oil.The officials are saying the beach is safe. It is far from safe. The gulls were continuing to get into the stuff. We need the beaches to be closed and the cleanup must continue. Any and all suggestions would be welcome. Thanks for all your good work.”

156. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

I just want to know why EVERYTHING has to be pried out with legal filings and people risking arrest … I’m so sick of it.

157. marisacat - 18 November 2007

hmm listening to the ABC affiliate… news…

they are admitting that it is “out there” floating around, it is miles off shore now. It may reach Farallones Islands (27 miles offshore) and it may reach Ano Nuevo (50 miles so).

They are also admitting that should the weather warm (hello?) that releases tarballs from the floor/shelf, they rise and head for the beaches again.

This will go on for a long long time.

Needless to say, I don’t recommend any fish or food from waters around here. There is another push on to open the area to fishing, if not crabbing. Testing results due tomorrow and they have been testing crab, they say… ugh.

Swann’s Oyster Depot on Polk St was on the record right away (day 2 or 3), objecting to safety issues/concerns/restrictions w/r/t fishing/crabbing. INSISTING it was safe to eat fish and crab from the waters. Geesh! I would nto exactly call them mobbed up, but they are part of the local thug action.

158. Miss Devore - 18 November 2007

140-the roast was good, but not as good as the laughs you gave.

Ignore meat thermometers-I should have taken it out when my eyes said it was done.

The new neighborhood mini-mart sells Romanian Kashkaval cheese-2# for $4.50. I chatted up the Ethiopian owner about my alleged Pushkin heritage, and he recalled Pushkin from his days “in the Soviet Union.”

The chihuahua got so highstrung tonight (he’s a cheese freak) he was sitting atop the back of the armchair.

The bitch has left the parking space. Smells like guilt to me.

159. marisacat - 18 November 2007

baby is a cheese freak as well. Perhaps an addled, blind, weak of leg gato could find happiness with a highly charged chihuahua…

LOL… anyway, when I am desperate to find her some alternative food to perk her up, I go for a couple of the Friskies that have cheese in them, a tuna and cheese and a turkey and cheese.

8)

160. Miss Devore - 18 November 2007

cheesus christ.

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164. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

VeronicatheViking (pff screen anme),

There’s something about someone singing the praises of Scandinavian style social democracy and arguing that a Latin American head of state already subjected to one American sponsored coup that just rankles me.

Seriously Meteor Blades style leftists annoy me more than wingnuts do sometimes.

Had Chavez lined up the coup plotters and had them shot THEN shipped the body parts to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in a box labeled “return to sender” he would have been well within his rights.

But he let them leave the country.

Had that happened here in the USA they would have spent the rest of their lives in an orange jumpsuit getting water poured down their lungs.

165. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Yep

http://mariahussain.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/muslims-discover-ron-paul/

The common thread I’ve been reading lately about leftists and Jews is that they are having trouble getting more than a dozen people to come to their stuff (whether anti-Zionist or Zionist). The anti-Israel movement is not moving forward, because “protest Zionist imperialism” is just not a catchy slogan. By contrast, there are over 400 RP activists against war taxes in Boston alone.

‘Merkens have nothing against Israel or not great love for Palestinians but if they could chose not to pay for the Israeli army they’d chose it in a second.

That’s why Paul’s more threatening than Chomsky.

166. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

The whole line of baiting *me* as a “white American” in that diary isn’t really very threatening or very original. Maybe when I was 19 it would have bothered me.

It’s just so annoying and stupid.

Maybe put a Hillary/Obama team in the White House and let them start a war so people realize it’s not white males that are the problem. It’s the system.

167. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

Duncan beginning to shift into Hillary boosterism.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_11_18_archive.html#3310080175958346705

And he’s not even subtle about it.

168. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2007

This is so pathetic:

Patients Without Borders

The group, most often referred to as RAM, has sent health expeditions to countries like Guyana, India, Tanzania and Haiti, but increasingly its work is in the United States, where 47 million people — more than 15 percent of the population — live without health insurance. Residents of remote rural areas are less likely than their urban and suburban counterparts to have health insurance and more likely to be in fair or poor health. According to the Department of Health and Human Services, nearly half of all adults in rural America are living with at least one chronic condition. Other research has found that in these areas, where hospitals and primary-care providers are in short supply, rates of arthritis, hypertension, heart ailments, diabetes and major depression are higher than in urban areas.

And so each summer, shortly after the Virginia-Kentucky District Fair and Horse Show wraps up at the fairgrounds, members of Virginia Lions Clubs start bleaching the premises, readying them for RAM’s volunteers, who, working in animal stalls and beneath makeshift tents, provide everything from teeth cleaning and free eyeglasses to radiology and minor surgery. The problem, says RAM’s founder, Stan Brock, is always in the numbers, with the patients’ needs far outstripping what his team can supply. In Wise County, when the sun rose and the fairground gates opened at 5:30 on Friday morning, more than 800 people already were waiting in line. Over the next three days, some 2,500 patients would receive care, but at least several hundred, Brock estimates, would be turned away. He adds: “There comes a point where the doctors say: ‘Hey, I gotta go. It’s Sunday evening, and I have to go to work tomorrow.’ ”

Not the work they do, but that it is NECESSARY in this country.

169. moiv - 18 November 2007

Atrios is still pretty subtle compared to this.

Longtime readers will remember that I’m usually hesitant to base my “Brothers and sisters” messages on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, in deference to the considerable religious diversity to be found here. But in this case, I’ve chosen to leave it in. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are certainly not hesitant to proclaim themselves disciples of Christ. They should start acting like it. Why are they taking the bait of a worldly scoffer indulging in his own ungodly lust for rancor and division? Jude says of such people:

These are grumblers and malcontents; they indulge their own lusts; they are bombastic in speech, flattering people to their own advantage.

Forget about them. Senators, you have more important things to do. Like live out your faith.

[...]

I’ve got no problem asking for that in the strong name of Jesus Christ, the great Shepherd of the sheep, who calls us to unity, to self-sacrifice on behalf of “the least of these,” and to salvation from ourselves, despite our very best intentions.

170. Hair Club for Men - 18 November 2007

It’s going to so rock when Pastordan finds himself in hell after he dies.

171. melvin - 18 November 2007

Eat your heart out, GOP. The Marshall Islands show how it\’s done:

The national election in the Marshall Islands Monday was labeled \”chaos,\” \”a disaster,\” and \”a mess,\” by candidates as nearly half way into the voting day fewer than half of the voting stations were open in the capital, Majuro where about half of the population of the country lives.
~~~
“I’ve been here since 7 a.m.,” said one voter at a polling station that was gearing to open three-and-a-half hours late.

“The paperwork (for electoral officials) wasn’t ready this morning,” said Ministry of Internal Affairs Secretary Amram Mejbon of the delays in getting electoral office officials out to the designated polling stations that were scheduled to be in operation along the 30-mile-long coral atoll from 7 a.m.

Mejbon also said that the electoral office had only six vehicles at its disposal for moving vote officials, ballots, tables and chairs to the approximately 60 designated locations.

“It’s a disaster,” said Parliament incumbent and candidate for Mejit Island Helkenna Anni.

A local journalist said on Radio Australia that he visited several polling stations around noon and found them open, but lacking tables, chairs, and ballots.

172. bayprairie - 18 November 2007

moiv!

that link should come with am airsickness bag.

and no more NO2 for 140

173. moiv - 18 November 2007

172

Yeah, I wasn’t tough enough to even think of wading through the comments. At this rate, I’ll never make it ’til next November.

174. melvin - 18 November 2007

“Let there be peace in Kosland” was one of the comments. Does that mean don’t forget your silencer the next time you disappear troublesome members of the herd?

175. marisacat - 18 November 2007

pastor slam.

what a hoot. WOnder if he ever figures it out that if there is anything resembling a GAWD, it does not think about him. Or care…

My mother used to quote, or paraphrase, Robinson Jeffers, and so god clapped his chubby hands in glee then take a drag off an English Oval. For good measure.

LOL my local news is all very chatty about the OPEC meeting but not discussing the bootleg cable delivery, much captioning in silence the clips of Mahmoud… pics of Chavez and Abdullah of HoS, etc…… they DO ASSURE us tho that all our “allies” at OPEC will protect us.

IN WHAT FUKCING UNIVERSE?

176. marisacat - 18 November 2007

moiv

anything up with Mercury this week?

Just wondering, Miss D’s towed car issues at her new place

and I spent a very distasteful weekend in argument with Safeway… that probably originated with mechanical vehicular failure on their part.

Or which ever planet… some fireball in retrograde headed for the earth, etc… ;)

177. moiv - 18 November 2007

That must be it. And to think I assumed I only have a cold. I’m relieved to realize that it’s something so much more impressive. ;)

178. marisacat - 19 November 2007

part One: Fuck up per the plan.

part Two: Fuck up MORE, per the plan.

U.S. Hopes to Arm Pakistani Tribes Against Al Qaeda

By ERIC SCHMITT, MARK MAZZETTI and CARLOTTA GALL

The new proposal is modeled in part on a similar effort by American forces in Iraq’s Anbar Province that has been hailed as a success in fighting foreign insurgents.

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179. marisacat - 19 November 2007

thread, post, something…

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