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In the UK they call it “proxy donors”… LOL 30 November 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, UK.
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   Clouds near Winnemucca NV

From BBC reader submissions:  Jim Bainbridge: “Driving through Nevada on Thanksgiving we came across the most amazing sunset skies as we neared Winnemucca. These clouds in the north looked like UFOs.”

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It comes as police launched a probe into Mr Abrahams’ donations.

In total, the North East property developer gave Labour more than £650,000 via four associates.

What a hoot!  And we all know, for years now, that Dem party consultants, operatives and whatever else is deep in the gutter of cash based elections… have gone across the pond to consult – with New Newer Newest Labour…. Spread the joy with a big spatula… What a hoot!

Another sign this practise is very widespread…

I passed them the details of Mrs Kidd as someone whose offer of a donation we had not taken up,” Mr Leslie said.

He stressed that neither Mr Brown nor his campaign manager, Jack Straw, had known anything about the contacts with Mr Abrahams or Mrs Kidd’s attempted donation.

Mr Straw told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Gordon Brown had absolutely no knowledge of any connection – inappropriate connection – between Mr Abrahams and Mrs Kidd. Neither did I.

“Neither, to the best of my knowledge – although I accept this is ultimately a matter for these inquiries – did any member of the immediate campaign team involved or the other campaigns.”   [we knew nuzzink!  we still know nuzzink!  - Mcat]

Mr Straw said:

“If Gordon Brown had had even a sniff that this was going on, he would have stopped it immediately, as would have I.”

He added that “for a long time this was an unknown unknown. The moment it became a known known, we got on to it.”

Sounds like Jack Straw spent way way way too much time with Rummy.

A roll in the hay perhaps..

A roll in the cash, certainly……..

It’s a struggle, but have to find amusement where ever it may lie…

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UPDATE, 7:59 am

Might as well laugh, since no one will call them criminals, nor even war profiteers… Two years and a month since he started weeping over the Iraq War, Jack Murtha has the temerity (from ABC’s The Note):

Think this comment will have legs as Congress ponders its next move in Iraq?

“I think the ‘surge’ is working,” says Rep. John P. Murtha, D-Pa., after returned from a brief trip to Iraq.

(There’s crucial context here, but it’s unlikely to be remembered when Republicans start quoting Murtha back to him.)

And in a sign that the punishment of the ordinary American is a political specialty, even as the sad fucks continue to vote for the gaseous and greasy pols:

Edwards is getting more specific in his healthcare plan: He’d garnishee the wages of those who can afford healthcare but don’t obtain coverage.

Per ABC’s Teddy Davis:

“Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards is hoping to stand-out from rivals on health care by portraying the plan of rival Barack Obama as leaving 15 million uninsured and portraying Hillary Clinton as lacking the candor needed to get to universal coverage.”

I’d choke before I voted for these vicious loons.

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1. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

C-Span is carrying a DNC Fall Meeting luncheon live now. richardson’s close: “God Bless the Democratic Party”

Edwards is entering now to really bad audio. First thing out : “…God Bless you all”

Obama is likely to come in, vestments donned. Hillary will later make entrance, no doubt, in loincloth, shouldering a massive timber Cross…..

2. Miss Devore - 30 November 2007

BHHM–a pearl and diamond cross.

hmmmm..Cheryl at pff may have found some notice of Aravia’s
suspension from the legal profession in PR:

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1250

3. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Why does this idiot write?
From the Boy Wonder’s latest online poll..

Wow, big shakeup in the numbers. The Dodd boomlet is over, as people start focusing on the candidates most seen as serious contenders. His 14 points drop is almost entirely made up by Edwards and — more dramatically — Obama. There’s no doubt Obama is surging in Iowa and elsewhere. Is this increase in support a sign that people are rallying around him as the “anti-Clinton”?

Kucinich got a boost because some people apparently like scolds, or perhaps they live vicariously through him? Yeah, I’m definitely guilty of not getting his supporters.

the Dodd Boomlet??

LOL. Markos must mean the week the Dodd camp greased him for a nice ad… It’s all fucking Kabuki. As is the rec’d diary noting that Media Matters “condemned” WaPo for the Obama rumor ‘whispering” campaign, in the effective, vicarious manner precisely designed to draw attention to it…

4. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Oh Dee, that is Dee-lish dish on Armando!

5. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Nancy Poo now on CSpan lookin’ good in the plum power suit except the distraction of the oversized amber chrystal gonads she’s wearing as a necklace….

6. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

So much for the old monkeywrench….Bomber reported in Clinton NH HQ

7. marisacat - 30 November 2007

they also evacuated Obama and Edwards offices.

To be fair, you know.

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Miss D

thanks for the tidbit… I sent it around pronto…

8)

8. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

ironically, Just today the Boston Globe reported NH as an essential “Firewall” for Clinton.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/30/with_iowa_tight_nh_becoming_clintons_firewall/

Any ties of Nutter to the Hill campaign and she’s toast. The fact the guy released a woman and child is positive.

If it is resolved without casualties, it will be Hill in a Schwarzzenagger movie. If it is Drawn out it will associate her campaign with vilence….

9. marisacat - 30 November 2007

LOL I have on the Edwards interview with Charlie Rose… somehow I don’t recall when I caught most of it last night, that he mentioned anything about garnishing wages THRU OUT THE NATION, if people do not comply and obtain medical insurance.

What a shame it all runs to the punitive.

And on ABC with Gibson, somehow he was again on Death of Wade. Not garnishing working peoples’ salaries.

10. marisacat - 30 November 2007

yes this hostage taking is a mess for her… in most takes.

And a sign how tense and prone to visible collapse is this election season.

11. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Good thing we live in civilized ‘Merka with free and fair elections, open discourse, and an impartial media….

12. marisacat - 30 November 2007

hmm NH emailer just sent this:

WMUR reporting that 2 of the staffers were released. They believe that
there were only 2 staffers left in the office but that’s not confirmed.

13. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

From googlling Sit has turned Neg if

Tied Weapon to HT and/or Hostage
A History of violence
Insisted or provoked a particular third person be brought to the scene

Became more emotional in content since negotiations
has no social outlet for expressing anxiety, fear or frustration
No rapport and no clear demands or outrageous demands after significant time period with negotiator
Possible factors include alcohol or drugs by HT during negotiations ,
and Significant multiple stressors in HT’s life

MSNBC is reporting 40yo white male “known to authorities with history of mental illness….Guy been to Hardware store earlier today….

14. marisacat - 30 November 2007

thanks for that, BHHM… my computer keeps ”sticking”… i had the CNN report up.. but am going to have shut downa nd reboot.

Not sure what is wrong (witht he computer).

Oh and Dean says we are praying (according to the CNN quotes from the DNC fall squish).

grrr.

15. JJB - 30 November 2007

I’m guessing Armando’s suspension is only for Puerto Rico, and doesn’t affect any other jurisdictions in which he might be a member of the bar. I’m also guessing it means he can’t actually represent clients in the courtroom, although he can still practice law back in the office in which he pretends to work while he blogs. Still, it’s a serious embarrassment, and likely to tick off his partners.

16. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

MSNBC said guy went into Hardware store today then said “perhaps to make it appear he has a bomb” Who the fuck knows? The carnage of Domestic batterers are on the table at MR and Mrs America’s local hospital EVERY DAY. Frankly the 40ish yo white dude is almost out of central casting….Sorry, but I’m relieved the guy isn’t POC or of overseas origin… MSNBC Says he told his son “to watch the news” , son said his Dad has road flares strapped to his chest…

17. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

maybe the bomber is Armando.

18. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Sorry I’ll put myself in the naughty chair…

19. Miss Devore - 30 November 2007

16-he is lucky he was not wearing a cleverly designed MIT t-shirt.

17-wouldn’t be Armando. He smokes road flares.

20. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Delaware Dem has a vest of canned Spam and is also in the building …

21. marisacat - 30 November 2007

LOL think Armando left 40 behind sometime ago.

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will see if I can raise CNN news report again for an update… seems to be dragging on.

22. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Evel Knieval pulls stunt and DIES to upstage the news cycle….

23. marisacat - 30 November 2007

JJB

sounds like it is just for PR… someone should scour NY state and see if he ticked off clients there as well.

Pooor baby…

8)

24. marisacat - 30 November 2007

oh gosh I thought you/BHHM were joking about Evil Knievel. I just saw the BBC breaking news email.

He died – at 69…

25. marisacat - 30 November 2007

Naomi Klein in the Guardian, more on disaster capital:

The market, however, appears to have other ideas about how to meet the challenges of an increasingly disaster-prone world. According to Lloyd, the really big money – despite all the government incentives – is turning away from clean-energy technologies, and is banking instead on gadgets that promise to seal wealthy countries and individuals into hi-tech fortresses. Key growth areas in venture capitalism are private security firms selling surveillance gear and privatised emergency response. To put it simply, in the world of venture capitalism, there has been a race going on between greens on the one hand, and guns and garrisons on the other – and the guns and garrisons are winning.

26. marisacat - 30 November 2007

well the Hillary Project seems a good resource…

all the news the MSM chooses not to report. they say…

27. marisacat - 30 November 2007

hmm news report at google says all the Hillary IOWA offics closed, as a precaution.

28. marisacat - 30 November 2007

Hillary ampaign is evacuating offices in SC as well. Rock Hill Herald (SC) reporting.

29. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Terror Terror everywhere…Oh yes

the guns and garrisons are winning.

No glee really… My comments above are meant to be provacative, the bad taste is my own …

Assuming no prior history of violence (which I don’t know) if this guy rolls over the edge and harms the remaining hostage or he does suicide by cop rolling out the front door, then I can’t help but think it is also an indictment on a Clinton Admin/ Newt GOP Congress and the unfilibustered Senate Vichy Dems of the 90’s that gutted MH/MR funding…

I don’t want bleeding hearts of any kind any where, But I bet upon closer inspection though, the rope that is this guy’s life , as is our own, is systemically a lot shorter than options that might otherwise have been chosen….. A hard, cruel, and materially acquisative society is what we’ve built. It’s what I validated by election for years, not so much on the status trinkets but certainly with buying in to the myth of its fundamental “goodness”……

Individual Health care MH/MR education and vocational assistance should be available for free. paid for out of the commonweal. Period. The rest is a scam that protects thieves…

I realize this extrapolates off my assumption. IMO, there are few organic “bad seeds” , despite what the fearmongers say who are responsible, in large part, for engineering their development…. .

30. marisacat - 30 November 2007

well drudge is carrying linkless Fox reports… ex wife says he is paranoid schizophrenic off his med – which it seems is lithium.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

showed him giving up on CNN just now. walked out, laid down on the street. No blood, no shooting … I bet some of the producers are bummed.

32. marisacat - 30 November 2007

so… how many of the three remaining debates in Dec will go forth?

Gotta keep our sell outs alive. Their precious multi-colored skin.

33. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Timed Perfectly for the Evening News!

The MSM characterized the guy earlier as a “conspiracy theorist”

34. marisacat - 30 November 2007

very true, pitch perfect for West Coast evening news… and good timing for 11 pm both coasts.

BRAVO script writers…

LOL

Who knows.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

They’ll start dressing the candidates up in motion-capture suits. There will be bidding wars for the best digital artists to give the candidates wonderful photo-realistic avatars (with more heroic muscles and abs, like Ray Winstone’s cartoon version in “Beowulf”) over their captured firm gestures and carefully-pointed thumb-and-forefinger when they make a point at their digital podiums, debating over high-speed lines each from their secured studios … with the poorer candidates likes Kucinich and Ron Paul represented by cheap Hanna Barbara style cartoon figures, mouths out of synch with their frustrated attempts to speak.

Security, you know.

36. marisacat - 30 November 2007

just in time for the weekend political shows, to lay the ground work for a highly recessive, withdrawn, inaccessible set of candidates.

LOL

37. antihegemonic - 30 November 2007

this is the most incisive comment of the evening:

they also evacuated Obama and Edwards offices.

To be fair, you know.

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Miss D

thanks for the tidbit… I sent it around pronto…

38. marisacat - 30 November 2007

Lordy

The Hostage taker called CNN during the siege. “Now Revealed” says Drudge

39. Miss Devore - 30 November 2007

38–you mean he didn’t call one of those blog-radio shows? pyhrro would be great in a role like that–bore the hostage taker into submission. and want to keep talking even after the person surrendered.

40. Balloon Animal - 30 November 2007

Interesting.

Armando’s name doesn’t appear on the roster of attorneys for the firm of McConnell Valdés.

http://www.mcconnellvaldes.com/CM/Attorneys/WalterGMcConnell.asp

All attorneys working for the firm appear to be listed, including one of the “name” parters (McConnell), who is “Of Counsel” to the firm.

41. Balloon Animal - 30 November 2007

Armando’s also not a member of the ABA.

42. Hair Club for Men - 30 November 2007

Well let’s just hope us social misfit white guys don’t have to report to immigration the way Pakistanis and Arabs did after 9/11.

43. marisacat - 30 November 2007

balloon animal

someone dropped me an anonymous email, months ago, that his status at his firm had moved to “of counsel”

In the US that is used when you are in pre full retirement or are being eased out for some reason. usually it denotes you are not an equity partner any longer. as I understood it, anyway.

Shall we say his status has changed. The shrinking BlaghSnots are th elast refuge of scoundrel.

44. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

the “of counsel” gig is also a great scam for shyster lawyers who stage accidents or sue their own ins co’s for disability…

Get this about “the bomber”….the guy Leeland Eisenberg was in between a lawyer client scam with a lawyer named Isaiah Shalom. Yah think he might have been trying to draw attention to the plight of Palestinians with the strap on???? GMAFB.

From a lawyer discipline action…..This reeks……
Yeh the guy Eisenberg is a conspiracist allright….

http://www.mass.gov/obcbbo/bd03-018.htm

I’m gonna look around for more…

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

I was inspired by today’s events, and the Klein piece linked above, to put something new up at LSF.

46. bayprairie - 30 November 2007

pyhrro would be great in a role like that–bore the hostage taker into submission. and want to keep talking even after the person surrendered.

haahaa!!!! special weapons and tactics indeed!

47. marisacat - 30 November 2007

Oh don’t tell me… Leeland Eisenberg the mad wanna be bomber (who of course may not be mad) has an atty names Isaiah Shalom?

LOL Anyone else ever heard of the burlesque routine the Arquette’s Grandfather used to do: ‘The Happy Hebrew”??

sort of turns it on its head.

What hoot.

48. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

WTF
Eisenberg represented by Greenburg Traurig

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenberg_Traurig

Abramoff Lawyer

In Boston Diocese sex suit.

Check bottom for counsel sig….

Leeland Eli Eisenberg formerly known as Robert Woodward

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ma-boston/archives/PatternAndPractice/0092-Complaint-Eisenberg-v-RCAB.pdf

Scamsters couldn’t add on people fast enough to that class action tough the church should have been left financially bankrupt to go with their morals….

49. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Nice pick for alias: Bob Woodward

50. marisacat - 30 November 2007

leeland eisenberg used to be Robert Woodward?

And who did isaiah Shalom used to be?

51. marisacat - 30 November 2007

who wrote this script? It is so convoluted.

(they say the WGA strike is over, but earlier I thought writers were not happy… what a day)

52. marisacat - 30 November 2007

madman

that is a GREAT picture at the top…

sigh only some of us will have the night vision goggles and the hazmat suits… and the breathing masks needed for the future.

Great [iece… yes guns and garrisons.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

it’s from a Japanese anime called Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade. It’s about anti-terrorism police in an alternate past Japan, yet like so many weird stories, has interesting takes on the modern world.

54. marisacat - 30 November 2007

my local evening news says he is upset over mental health issues… and:

Will This Bring More Attention to MH in the campaigns.

Shoot, why would it.

55. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

And who did isaiah Shalom used to be?

66 MIT Grad before Law

http://alumweb.mit.edu/classes/1966/techrev/0408.html

Isaiah Shalom retired from the practice of law in December 2002. He became a life master in bridge (ACBL) last spring.

I suppose disbarment = “retire” if you have a coupla bucks of stolen loot to pass around. What scheissssse….

56. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

nothing like being inall the right places….

57. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Fuck I misread that piece te suit was filed with a

formerly known as Ralph Woodward

58. marisacat - 30 November 2007

LOL the headline on ABC’s afternoon Sneak Peek… my guess media will make her pay for this in a few days…

SNEAK PEEK: ‘Courage and Coolness’
Hillary Clinton is Headed to New Hampshire After Hostage Crises is Averted

59. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

The First Comment
From DickHead in Michigans exclusive coverage….
It gets better though…..

terrorism (15+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Delaware Dem, IhateBush, varro, theRoaringGirl, jdmorg, heartofblue, Five of Diamonds, docangel, boofdah, Team Slacker, DJShay, Marinesquire, Akonitum, dashat, JG in MD

this is what it looks like.

“after the Rapture, we get all their shit”

It’s time: the albany project low UID’s going fast!

by lipris on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:02:52 PM PST

snip

I guarantee you that it will turn out (6+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
burrow owl, JeffLieber, randallt, docangel, Team Slacker, Erevann

that this guy is a radical liberal, given all the speculation here.

Remember, God is ironic, and has a sense of humor.

Daily Delaware — Putting the ‘Aware’ back in Delaware.

by Delaware Dem on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:14:10 PM PST

[ Parent ]

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I don’t think so (5+ / 0-)

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And you are enjoying saying that way too much. I don’t know why.

“In the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it.” — Senator Barack Obama.

by blue vertigo on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:16:03 PM PST

[ Parent ]
o
I have said it twice. (1+ / 0-)

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Erevann

And believe me, I am not enjoying it. But it has been my experience that usually the exact opposite of speculation happens.

Daily Delaware — Putting the ‘Aware’ back in Delaware.

by Delaware Dem on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:31:53 PM PST

[ Parent ]

60. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

spammage.

61. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Both “Updates” on diary faile to mention (0+ / 1-)

Trollrated by:
DrWolfy

Hostage taker was asking to talk to HRC.

maybe he wants his donation to her campaign back.

by kulshan on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:32:33 PM PST

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WTF kind of comment is that? Really not (4+ / 0-)

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funny.

HillarysBloggers.com

by masslib on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:34:00 PM PST

62. marisacat - 30 November 2007

hmmm frmo the Armando thread at PFF…. LOL… and elsewhere in the thread Market Trustee rightly mentions that the proliferation of spinoffs like Docudonut is just HUAC again.

Well bingo baby!

*[new] You just can’t muck up too many blogs. n/t (4.50 / 2)

What would pinche my tookis do?
by pinche my tookis @ Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:32:48 PM PST
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63. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

what did she do that was either “calm” or “courageous”?

Really am sick of PR nation.

Watching Moyers covering Hagee’s “Wackjobs for Israel”. These people are fucking nuts.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

Moyers just repeated the “wipe Israel off the map” agitprop.

really nothing left to do but watch in horror.

65. marisacat - 30 November 2007

I might be wrong but they pushed NOW with Brancaccio which was less stuck, imo than Moyers Journal… to 11 here, I doubt anyone watches it… Moyers is on at 10.

And I think they just brought Moyers back to keep a lid on shit. Keep a few from wandering off forever. Because there is nothing left… weakened softened Frontline… a NOVA or POV here or there. Not much. The odd special series… I Loved Simon Shama’s 8 parter on Art this past summer, but it got little PR. SO who watched it. Little archeology, little anthropology, some it quite good… but then… it is not modern politics.

other than that we get a half decent policier (and now over) or other versions of British crinoline. Some very good, most just so so.

And Moyers is like a teddy bear. So what.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

Arms expert Scott Ritter says the U.S. plans to attack Iran. MT asks why he’s so sure.

He points out that the Donklephants won’t do shit, and most Americans don’t give a shit, then, so THEY won’t stop an attack. Then:

MT: Do you think there is anything that can happen at this point that will stop this attack?

Ritter: You have to take a look at external influences, not internal ones. I don’t think there is anything happening inside the United States that’s going to stop that attack. I do believe that, for instance, if Pakistan continues to melt down, that could be something that creates such a significant diversion the Bush administration will not be able to make its move on Iran.

To attack Iran, they’re going to need a nice lull period. That’s what they’re pushing with this whole surge right now. They’re creating the perception that things are quieting. I don’t know how many people picked up on it, but one day we’re told that 2007’s been the bloodiest year for U.S. forces in Iraq, the next day we’re told that attacks against American troops are dropping at a dramatic pace. So, what’s the media focus on? The concept of attacks dropping at a dramatic pace. No one’s talking about the fact, wait a minute, we’ve just lost more guys than we’ve ever lost before.

They are pushing the perception that Iraq is now stable. If you have a situation in Pakistan that explodes out of control, where you suddenly have nuclear weapons at risk of falling into the hands of Islamic fundamentalists, that could stop it. If Turkey attacks Kurdistan and that conflict spins out of control, that could put a halt to it. These are things that could overshadow even Dick Cheney’s desire to bomb Iran.

And there could be some other unforeseen meltdown globally that’s not on the radar at this time, that, unfortunately, we have to be hoping for to stop an attack on Iran. And that says a lot, that we have to hope for disaster to prevent unmitigated disaster.

67. marisacat - 30 November 2007

jmm I caught Mush on ABC this am. He basically said Fuck Off. In interview with Chris …. Cuomo, who had not a clue what to do with him… LOL

hard to care what the US does with him. I am sure he is a thief and whatever else.

enh.

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

A lot of the piece showed Hagee talking about the US attacking Iran (he mentioned Lieberman MANY times).

Ritter’s take in the piece linked above?

MT: One of the scenarios that’s been raised has Israel launching the first strike, prompting a response from Iran that would then pull us in.

Ritter: I think Israel is capable of doing a one-time limited shot into Iran. One has to take a look at the distances involved and the complexity of military operations … the lack of friendly airspace between corridors into and out of Iran. It’s nice to talk about an Israeli attack, but the reality is far different. Israel had trouble dominating Hezbollah right on its own border with air power.

I think Israel could actually go into Iran and get their butts kicked. It may not go off as well as they think it’s going to go off. It is too long of a distance, too much warning for the Iranians. The Iranians are too locked-in; they’re too well prepared. It doesn’t make any sense. Israel doesn’t have the ability to sustain a strike. Like I said, they might be able to pull off a limited one-time shot. But I think the fallout from that would be devastating for the United States. As much as we’ve worked to get an Arab alliance against Iran, that would just fall apart overnight with an Israeli attack. No Muslim state will stand by and defend Israel after it initiated a strike against Iran. It just will not happen. And the United States knows this. I just think it’s ludicrous to talk about an Israeli attack.

I think what we’re looking at is an American attack. It’s the only viable option both in terms of initiation and sustainment of the strike. Israel might be drawn in after that. There’s no doubt in my mind the Iranians will launch missiles against Israeli targets, either directly or through proxies, and that Israel will suffer. This is something I try to warn all my Israeli friends about. If you think Saddam Hussein firing 41 missiles was inconvenient, wait until the Iranians fire a thousand of them. It goes well beyond an inconvenience; it becomes a national tragedy. And then the escalation that can occur from there.

I think right now what the Bush administration is conceiving is a limited strike against Iran to take out certain Revolutionary Guard sites and perhaps identified nuclear infrastructure. Not a massive, sustained bombardment, but a limited strike. But we were always told in the Marine Corps that the enemy has a vote and no plan survives initial contact with the enemy. So we may seek to have a limited strike, but if the Iranians do a massive response, things could spin out of control quickly.

69. marisacat - 30 November 2007

And that says a lot, that we have to hope for disaster to prevent unmitigated disaster.
— Scott Ritter.

isn’t that the truth…

8)

70. Hair Club for Men - 30 November 2007

I don’t know how many people picked up on it, but one day we’re told that 2007’s been the bloodiest year for U.S. forces in Iraq, the next day we’re told that attacks against American troops are dropping at a dramatic pace. So, what’s the media focus on? The concept of attacks dropping at a dramatic pace. No one’s talking about the fact, wait a minute, we’ve just lost more guys than we’ve ever lost before.

I think Ritter misses it just a bit here (partly because he’s a military guy and a conservative).

Framing the issue in terms of US troop losses (as bad as they are) leads to Bush having the ability to manipulate people like this.

Once again, I’m not minimizing US casualties (they’re bad enough) but compared to Vietnam or Korea or a war where the US military is fighting a conventional army backed by Russia or China, the losses against insurgents/terrorists just aren’t going to be that huge.

So when the Dems want to pump up the disatisfaction with the war, they can put the 3900 deaths in the headlines every day. When they want it to calm down, well, compared to what we lost in Vietnam or compared to what the Iraqis have lost, it’s not that much.

That’s why I think the resistence against the war should have concentrated on a solid analysis of colonialism and in the knowledge that breaking up a country and robbing it blind is morally wrong. Americans are religious/moral people. They’d get that.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

I saw highlights from that interview w/ Mushi. He was really belligerent.

One last piece from the Ritter piece:

MT: I think it is fair to say you are perceived as a champion of the left at this point. But 10 years ago, when you were criticizing the Clinton administration for undermining efforts to root out Saddam’s weapons, you were being heralded by the right. Saddam accused you of being an American spy. And you were criticized for being too close with the Israelis and sharing information with them. But when you go to Iraq prior to the war there, people on the right are calling you a traitor. The FBI put you under surveillance. What do you make of all that?

Ritter: What I make of it is my consistency and the inconsistency of those who seek to gain political advantage by manipulating the truth. When the right embraced what I was saying, they didn’t embrace the totality of what I was saying. They only embraced that aspect that was convenient for their political purposes. I would say today that the left is guilty of the same thing. I’m only convenient to the left when that which I espouse mirrors what they are pursuing. It will be interesting to see, if Hillary Clinton wins the White House, how popular I will be in certain circles, because I can guarantee I will go after her with all the vengeance I go after the Bush administration.

It’s not about being Republican, it’s not about being Democrat, it’s about being American. It’s about doing the right thing. And in the 1990s the right thing was to implement the [United Nations] Security Council resolutions calling for the disarmament of Iraq. That was the law. That was what I was tasked with doing, and the Clinton administration was not permitting the task to be accomplished.

By holding them to account, if that suddenly made me popular with the right, then so be it. It’s not something that I sought; it wasn’t the purpose of what I was doing. But when the complexity of my stance became inconvenient to the right, when they found out it wasn’t just about taking down the Clinton administration, but rather criticizing an American political position that put unilateral policy objectives and regime change higher up in the chain of priorities than disarmament, suddenly it wasn’t convenient anymore to be saying, “Hey, we like this guy.”

One cannot be held accountable for the words and actions of those who seek to selectively embrace what you say.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

Public sentiment for impeachment expands

The percentage of Americans favoring impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney is approaching the percentage who favored impeachment of President Nixon in 1973-74.

Public opinion has reached this high level even before Congress has started any impeachment investigation of the Bush-Cheney administration. The public is way ahead of Congress, suggesting that it is time for the U.S. House of Representatives to move forward with the impeachment process.

In October 1973, a Gallup Poll results showed only 28 percent favored Nixon’s impeachment and removal from office. That was after a summer of well-publicized Senate Watergate Committee hearings.

Just nine months later, the day before Nixon resigned, nearly two-thirds of Americans believed there was enough evidence for an impeachment trial, and 55 percent thought Nixon should be removed from office.

That is how drastically opinion shifted once Congress acted and revealed the full extent of Nixon’s abuses of power.

Now, without any impeachment investigation by Congress, we already see the public’s desire for impeachment action approaching the level that led to Nixon’s departure from office.

Now, 55 percent of Americans believe that “President Bush has abused his powers as president, which rise to the level of impeachable offenses under the Constitution,” and 34 percent believe he should be removed from office.

For Vice President Cheney, 52 percent believe he committed impeachable offenses, and 43 percent believe he should be removed.

Perhaps most telling is that 64 percent of Americans believe that President Bush has abused his powers, and 70 percent believe that Cheney has done so. Polling was conducted by American Research Group Inc., on Nov. 9-12.

Now, I think polls have as much validity as phrenology, but I always find it amazing how they are gospel when the War Party finds support in them, and they are ignored when results go off message.

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BTW, read the thread under the IOZ post … he explains really well just how fucked this is, and why it won’t work.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

Marisacat mentioned the show earlier, but I want to say that tonight’s now is especially good.

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78. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2007

Madman I should have read your excellent piece earlier.

Protest will not be welcome, and you can expect today’s little drama to be used to insulate politicians from us even more than they are now.

snip

…Pay no attention to that meaningless drama all over the glass teat today ….giving the muscle a chance to show us that they are there for our own good, while the gold is melted down into bullets and enriched uranium and white phosphorus and held to all of our heads.

I’ve nearly OD’d on the glass teat today…..went back to CSPAN where I started looking for a rerun to see how they handled terminating the DNC meeting today amidst the drama. A Clinton Library piece with Bill as giving Brian Lamb the grand tour shows him waxing over the green roof saying how enviro it is , it’s his life’s work, a lot of spin about its carbon footprint, that he wants to do it with others including Poppy and Jimmy Carter…I could almost hear Gore’s head pop off… Later he mentioned Gore, saying that Congress bagged KYOTO before Gore got off the plane coming back, Clinton said he was glad Al won the Nobel now “we have to figure out how to make it work economically” Clinton is almost exquisite in his ability to bullshit. The archives are seperated for public convienience, more open space yada yada : totally seperate in an underground vault……whole lotta preemptive shit about the Archival records….

79. antihegemonic - 30 November 2007

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/30/16277/807

Lucius Vorenus is now Delaware Dem, and he is searching for all the Kos users with UIDs below 10,000. Notice all the information he posted about current users; it leads one to wonder how many people KKKos and others have banned.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

oh, thanks BHHM for the praise (and Marisacat earlier) … I also have to keep reminding MYSELF to tune out the PR machine.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

America Ate My Brain (Part Two)

Publishing success stories are rare in comics these days, and while Marvel Zombies is one it also has its detractors. (“There comes a point where death isn’t funny anymore,” says a reader. “I cannot trust in a hero anymore!” says another.) And here I think is the subtext: your heroes are dead. Or worse: undead.

There are a lot of monstrous metaphors available to describe America’s descent from pulp fiction superhero to real world arch-villain, but perhaps the most apt is the zombie. There’s the relentless and insatiable consumption of goods, fuel and lives which devours entire nations without thought or apology – Iraq’s genetic future may be “for the most part destroyed” – and threatens even the viability of life on the planet. It even eats brains. Consider the occupation’s targeted slaughter of Iraqi intellectuals.

A vampire would be preferable. I could see trying to talk things out with one. Probably not successfully, but there’s at least the vain hope. A zombie? First of all, it’s already dead. And last, I’m only food. Do you explain yourself to your breakfast?

There’s no coming back from Iraq. There’s no homecoming for Captain America. And don’t wait for a hero, because he’s only going to eat you.

Someone took a swipe at me recently (fritztitz or whatever) for my love of pop culture, of comics and Roger Waters and Queen and et cetera, but I think that so-called “low” culture often represents life more clearly than “high” culture, and history amply demonstrates that “low” becomes “high” over time.

Comics, anime, film … they are what passes for bards in our culture, and so can …

… well, I’m going to avoid going all lit grad student on you. The stories a people tell, embrace and share reflect those people’s world, and sometimes in ways that they themselves don’t recognize. Batman is the orphaned child, rich or not, rendered powerless by a careless society given to corruption. Spiderman is the child aching for purpose in a world driven by mere commerce (remember that it is his short-lived embrace of selfish commerce that leads to beloved Uncle Ben’s death). Superman is … well, Superman is a fascist’s wetdream.

Anyway, it is foolish to avoid the power of stories, the power of myth, no matter how immediate.

82. antihegemonic - 30 November 2007

At least one Senator understands the importance of maintaining an independent judicial branch:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/11/sen_boxers_impeachment_grudge.html

83. marisacat - 30 November 2007

madman thanks for the IOZ thread on the lame brained Edwards plan…

I was so non plussed when I read it in The Note, I threw it up in the post, at top … but did not have time to read the plan closely.

These people are utterly nutz.

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

It’s stupid, and I know it, but I’m going to document it here anyway.

I shouldn’t . I shouldn’t care. On one level, I don’t care, but I’m tired of the whole shunning culture in this country, the a-historical way in which dissent is shuffled off and rendered invisable.

I came up, for some unknown reason, in a thread at Little Orange Footballs Of course, a former supposed “friend” didn’t have the decency to LINK to what I actually wrote, the supposed “GBCW” (which is wasn’t) diary that I posted. So,

HERE IT IS:

Shut up! (Cuban Heel edition).
by Madman in the marketplace
Sun Dec 04, 2005 at 07:32:18 AM PST
Blogs, in many ways, are contentious versions of the larger world, so it probably shouldn’t be a suprise that so-called “community” blogs reflect the tendency that we humans, as a herd species, have of demanding a common conformity and uniform direction of “rogues” who don’t follow the direction of the herd.

Many of us didn’t want this to be so, myself included. There was something exciting about large “communities” like Daily Kos when I first found it, and the addition of diaries served to make it seem more like a real community, but without all that pressure to dress like everyone else or go to the same restaurant, like we have to deal with in the meat world.

Of course, without superficial things for people to build cliques around, they found other things, and as that blog (and others of the big boy bloggers) became more closely alligned as a “netroots” army aimed at helping the Democratic Party, those cliques began to enforce a MESSAGE conformity. The latest version of this went up last night at DK, with the usual bullying and use of the silly rating system to try to use community shunning to reinforce group behavior.

There are some topics that are targeted for particular bullying, downrating and “banning” (how far we’ve come from the days when people were led to the edge of the village and cast into the wilderness). We’re supposed to accept, I guess, that those topics are the very same ones that the feckless Democratic Leadership in Washington LEAST wants to deal with: vote tampering in the 2004 (and 2000!) election; abortion; the outsized influence that the Israeli right and AIPAC have on our government; questions about September 11 and whether there was complicity on the part of the Bush Administration.

This is dangerous, especially on the part of a blog that has become, THANKS TO ITS READERS, one of the biggest destinations on the internet for politics. It is especially dangerous when the “opposition” party is seemingly unwilling or unable to actually oppose a criminal regime that is destroying the very underpinnings of our government and our society. As the party toward the left abandons women to the vagaries of patriarchical religious nuts; as it abandons black Americans to vote suppression & the floodwaters of neglect; as it kow-tows to Likud and AIPAC along with the Republicans; as it continues to refuse to confront the very real fact that the Republicans failed badly on 9/11 and it’s aftermath … the need to confront these questions has never been higher.

There has been crowing over the last year, since Kerry punted the run, that sites like daily Kos participate on conference calls with party leaders. They tell us that the site can have an influence, that the netroots can be a power, but there are certain ways that are acceptable to exert that power. We can send money … always more money … piles and bats and rising thermometers of money. We can pepper the media and DC offices with emails, faxes and phone calls, preferably with a general script designed after those conference calls.

Phone calls with ELECTED officials should not be sources of talking points to be vomited out in pixels hours later. They should be used to question those officials, and press them to be more responsive to the needs of the people. Of course, if that happened, there is a chance there wouldn’t be anymore calls. One could argue that the heady feeling of having that brief connection, that access, might lead some to avoid hard questions, and to put pressure on others to avoid hard questions too, again in the fear of losing that “insider” connection. Nagging doubts that the calls may serve only to manufacture consent are pushed out of mind:

In totalitarian societies where there’s a Ministry of Truth, propaganda doesn’t really try to control your thoughts. It just gives you the party line. It says, “Here’s the official doctrine; don’t disobey and you won’t get in trouble. What you think is not of great importance to anyone. If you get out of line we’ll do something to you because we have force.” Democratic societies can’t work like that, because the state is much more limited in its capacity to control behavior by force. Since the voice of the people is allowed to speak out, those in power better control what that voice says–in other words, control what people think. One of the ways to do this is to create political debate that appears to embrace many opinions, but actually stays within very narrow margins. You have to make sure that both sides in the debate accept certain assumptions–and that those assumptions are the basis of the propaganda system. As long as everyone accepts the propaganda system, the debate is permissible.

Oh, wait, I just quoted Chomsky. That will get me labeled as a nut or conspiracy theorist or some kind of purist. See how it works? As I presumably want people to listen to what I say, I might be better served to quote someone approved by the party and the mainstream media, say a consultant or pundit or pollster. In fact, if I were to do so, I might get some “mojo” and other digital pats-on-the-head, and the feeling of belonging will doubtless fill my heart with glee. “They like me, they really, really like me!”

Well, that’s not what motivates my blogging, and I think it’s not what motivates the blogging of a lot of people disturbed by what our herd has become, frightened by the cliff we are heading toward. However, the increasing willingness on the part of some to try to meet the expectations of the poobahs in DC, the self-censorship and imposition of virtual speech codes will bleed the blogs of the very thing that makes them exciting, that makes them the descendents of the pamphleteers:

And yet, for all this…the pamphlets of the American Revolution that seek artistic effects are not great documents.

First and foremost, the American pamphleteers, though participants in a great tradition, were amateurs next to such polemicists as Swift and Defoe. Nowhere [were there writers who were]… capable, that is, of earning their living by their pens… [The closest were some of the printers, but other than Franklin they weren't principles in what was going on.]

The American pamphleteers were almost to a man lawyers, ministers, merchants, or planters heavily engaged in their regular occupations.

…it is this amateurism, this lack of practiced technique, that explains much of the crudeness of the Revolutionary pamphlets considered simply as literature.

But there is more than amateurism behind the relative crudeness of the artistic efforts in the American pamphlets. For if writers like Adams and Jefferson were amateur pamphleteers, their writings in other ways display formidable literary talents…The more deliberately artful writings were in a significant way — for reasons that reach into the heart of the Revolutionary movement — peripheral to the main lines of intellectual force developing through the period.

The American writers were profoundly reasonable people. Their pamphlets convey scorn, anger, and indignation; but rarely blind hate, rarely public fear. They sought to convince their opponents, not like the English pamphleteers of the eighteenth century, to annihilate them.

The Americans had allies in the Parliament in England. Suppose these allies had been able to convince the passionate writers who fed the fertile soil for change to be less confrontational. What if they had been convinced by those allies to be more “moderate”, to only print pre-approved “facts” (and leaving the definition of ‘fact’ to those with a vested interest in the status quo)? Would there have BEEN a Revolution? Would we have the government the Republicans are now destroying if hadn’t been for tracts of sometimes intemperate language?

It is true that there are plenty of other outlets than the big community blogs. It’s true that the master of the site has a right to set the rules in his own house, but is it wise when one claims to be operating an open forum with the goal of creating a movement for reform? Especially when such a site becomes shorthand in the mainstream media for “liberal blogs”? There is little “liberal” about the front page of dailyKos, and it certainly doesn’t speak to any liberal values that I hold. It is a center-right party organ, with a little ghetto of sometimes liberal diaries that are tolerated AS LONG AS THEY STAY WITHIN THE RULES. Sounds like just what Chomsky described, doesn’t it?

Speech codes seek to pummel people into conformity, and conformity is a poor soil for the growing of freedom.

LINK to what I posted, dammit.

85. marisacat - 30 November 2007

btw as antidote to the truly terible plans of EdObHill…

read this from Counterpunch Very bracing…. I had read it early this am, before landing on the nonsensical, nasty ‘garnishing of wages’ plan that Edwards thinks is doable (what a fucking idiot and a punitive asshole), Obama’s plan is not better and Hillary can only lambaste him as “leaving out 15 million” he does not mandate enforced participation.

Oh and if anyone read Krugman [forget if it was yesterday or this am] but again what a damned party mouthpiece. Pushing HIllary’s plan, as worthwhile, by attacking the Obama plan – neither will be adopted and neither matter, not really. We are dying from SHILLS.

Oh yes, that is right, Hillary is Mama to the released hostages, gone to them in their hour of need…. how can we forget. Her first act as president they are painting it.

86. moiv - 30 November 2007

My goodness, Madman. Considering all that’s transpired in the two years since you wrote that, you run considerable risk of being labeled a visionary.

87. marisacat - 30 November 2007

pooor em dash, pooor mcjoan.

Worse than BlogMaids, a volunteer service class of women, drafted for the Blahgsnotteries.

I suppose they offer the Big Men on Campus comfort… or something.

And as Dana Houle said when mcjoan was offered up as FP stuff, she had had her distemper shots. She was good to go.

No he really did use those words, “distemper shots”.

Oh right… the Liberal Blahgs.

hmmm mmm.

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2007

I shouldn’t be upset. Yet I am.

I don’t delete things. I link to things I refer to. I thought that was supposed to be the big innovation offered by these fabled interwebs.

Apparently not.

89. marisacat - 1 December 2007

no decency in party apparachiks.. madman.

nor party apparachicks, either.

90. wu ming - 1 December 2007

shunning is shunning, madman. can’t make exceptions, it’d be against the roolz.

it’s been fascinating to watch people basically fall gradually into agreement with what you were saying, years after the fact.

nothing worse than being ahead of consensus, i guess.

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Wu ming,

I’d take more comfort in the eventual agreement if people LINKED to the voices of warning.

I thought that was supposed to be the big advantage of the net.

I’m not looking to get a column in Newsweek, just that people discuss the actual issues.

Maybe I’d do better if I was more mercenary.

92. BooHooHooMan - 1 December 2007

In the interest of , uh , HUMANITY, as well as equal opportunity teat weening , cut the Hashemite Kingdom loose along with our ChristoFascists and RW Israel– just leave the humans behind…Hell , maybe set these creatures on their own little floating penal colony in the swirling plastic trash heap in the Pacific..wha-? wha-? 50 -60 years late all around?…

Wapo lead for the mourning paper

CIA Prisoners Detained in Jordan

Terror suspects reportedly tortured in custody of Jordanian spy agency working covertly with U.S

93. BooHooHooMan - 1 December 2007

Oh and By the by before beddy bye…..

God damn, madman, you can write.

G’Night, out.

94. marisacat - 1 December 2007

I think we could do just fine without the Jordanian Operetta…. More US welfare clients who spend their days at the fleshpots of Europe.

Angry Arab loves to slash at Abdullah and discuss what his favorite Play Station is…

what a terrible joke it all is…

95. JJB - 1 December 2007

According to a banner at MSNBC.com, Turkay has invaded Iraqi Kurdistan. I don’t see anything about this anywhere else yet, and there is no story, just the banner announcing it.

Breaking, developing, whatever.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Thanks BHHM.

97. JJB - 1 December 2007

Here’s the only story I’ve been able to find so far:

The Turkish military said Saturday that it fired on 50 to 60 Kurdish rebels inside Iraqi territory, inflicting ”significant losses.”

It did not say whether Turkish troops had crossed the border into Iraq.

The military said on its Web site that the rebels were detected following intelligence work and that military operations in the region would continue if necessary.

98. JJB - 1 December 2007

OK, MSNBC now has a story to go along with the banner. Here is it, in its entirety:

The Turkish army entered northern Iraq on Saturday, the army said.

The army operation came a day after Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said his cabinet had authorized the armed forces to conduct a cross-border operation against Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebels.

This is a breaking news story. Please check back for details.

That last sentence suggests there’s a lot more to tell, and they’re scrambling to find out what it is.

99. JJB - 1 December 2007

There is now a more detailed story at MSNBC, and the claim that the Turkish army crossed the border has been removed from the headline. Reuters said they went in, the AP doesn’t say one way or the other, so there appears to be some doubt as to what’s actually going on. What is certain is that the Turks are claiming to have inflicted heavy casualties on a group of some 50-60 PKK fighters by firing on them, presumably with artillery:

The Turkish army said it fired on a group of between 50 and 60 Kurdish rebels on Saturday.

Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday his cabinet had authorized the armed forces to conduct a cross-border operation against Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebels.

“As part of intelligence work, a group of 50-60 PKK terrorist group was spotted inside Iraq’s borders,” the army said on its Web site.

[snip]

An intense intervention was made on the group and it was detected that the terrorist group had suffered heavy casualties.”

The army said it could step up its “intervention” in the region if this was needed.

I guess there’s some confusion over just what “intervention” means in this case, maybe a problem with translating into English whatever Turkish phrase was used.

100. JJB - 1 December 2007

FWIW, here’s the Reuters dispatch, courtesy of the NY Times, which at the moment doesn’t consider this more important than Evel Knievel’s having shuffled off the mortal coil.

Turkish army entered northern Iraq on Saturday to stop a group of between 50 and 60 Kurdish rebels, the army said and added it could step up its “intervention” in the region if this is needed.

The army operation came a day after Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said his cabinet had authorized the armed forces to conduct a cross-border operation against Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebels.

101. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Thanks for the updates, jjb. What a fucking mess we’ve made over there.

102. JJB - 1 December 2007

MSNBC has now downgraded this as well, which I take to mean there were no ground troops sent in. Or maybe they did send some in on a hit-and-run mission and that’s being covered up. Anyway, the banner over there now deals with the Democrats depriving Michigan of its delegates I guess for early primary scheduling (the link does not take you to a story, they need to fix that) and the Turkish/PKK story is buried way down on the FP. There is now no mention of it on the NYT FP at all. Both sites have stories trying to make Hugo Chavez sound as if he’s becoming unhinged, and a ludicrous, well-promoted Op-Ed piece in the NYT accuses him of trying to establish what the “writer” (aided by his CIA ghost, no doubt) thinks is something like a Soviet-style system (he won’t explicitly say this, but that’s what he’s trying to describe). I hope Chavez’s side gets at least 70% of the vote tomorrow.

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

The CNN coverage of Chavez is especially hysterical this morning.

Funny, I don’t see how allowing for someone to get RE-ELECTED every seven years is setting up a dictatorship. Hell, I seem to remember so-called “conservatives” calling for an end to term limits when Saint Ronnie was Pres. That was different, I guess.

104. Intermittent Bystander - 1 December 2007

MitM – FYI.

Link to Madman in the marketplace’s last diary (0 / 0)
is here: Shut up! (Cuban Heel edition).

Only fair to let people read (and judge) for themselves, no?

As MitM himself (UID 1300) pointed out yesterday at Marisacat’s blog (UID 97).

This “Where They Are Now” comment has been posted for historical documentation and present-day updating of the Old Timers Rock and Roll Call Hall of Fame.

105. wilfred - 1 December 2007

Wow, Just read that hideous exchange at Dkos.

Let me tell you something, when 2 women who have both had affairs with married co-bloggers and had no problem helping to destroy those marriages then seek to destroy your reputation you know you are just one more target in their path to destruction. This is who Em Dash and McJoan are and this is what they do. I’ve never addressed that aspect of them before but if they are still doing this kind of hatchet jobs after all these years then it’s time to call them on all of their nasty shit.

Those 2 creeps have no dignity between them and don’t deserve to shine your shoes Madman. They are the lowest of the low and this is how they operate. They are nobody’s friends, just 2 pathetic and lonely creatures who will step on anyone for some perceived comfort. I saw that e-mail where they planned to eviscerate you to get their numbers up (with Armando participating) when all of you were writing at the same blog and I still have that e-mail as evidence. It is still today the most craven act i’ve ever seen in the blogosphere and the three were the perpetrators. They leave a path of blood wherever they go and I’m so glad most everyone seems to recognize exactly who and what they’re about.

Take comfort that you were right then which is why they were reading you again and why they’re still afraid to link (what they haven’t deleted already that is, dishonest shits that they are), plus you’re still right today. The public now agrees with you too. They will be remembered only to be reviled.

106. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Thanks for that, IB. And for the support, Wilfred.

This really is just meaningly pixels floating in the soon-to-be-highjacked internet, I think my thoughts about the danger of backing center-right former Republicans/millionaires/retired soldiers have borne out (don’t they call the likes of them Bush dogs now?).

However, as Bowers writes on OpenLeft, “This is going to be uncomfortable for many of us. Criticizing the people we just elected, people who may even be nice to us personally, is never easy.” But Democratic activists appear ready to fight for candidates who will support their values.

Is it worth it?

Many in the Democratic grassroots have been dissatisfied with the Democratic-controlled Congress, whose leadership has failed to pass significant progressive legislation. What’s more, the shift in the netroots from a highly partisan constituency to one more interested in ideology signals a tactical re-evaluation.

“Ideas matter … and your political strategy should be organized around enacting those ideas into social change,” says Stoller. “And that means you shouldn’t look at everything as simply a partisan, red vs. blue operation.”

Wouldn’t those ideas have mattered more BEFORE you backed these people? How much more would be getting done, how much closer would we be to the war ending, if someone like Cegelis had been backed by the party, to offer the real choice that Duckworth didn’t?

This comment is the one that coaxed the little shill out of his hole to ban me, almost exactly two years ago, and I think this paragraph could be written for the upcoming elections:

My goal is too sic highlight how the two parties, the corporations and the religious right are destroying this country. This blogs goal is increasingly helping Schumer and the rest of the leadership push Republican Trojan Horses like Casey, Kaine, Gene Taylor, Testor and Democrats for Life. Kos is a target only in as much as it helps the people selling us out to international corporations. (like CHEVRON, perhaps?)

107. Intermittent Bystander - 1 December 2007

A few Chevron links, should anyone need one:

Sourcewatch on Chevron
Corpwatch on Chevron

Including Corpwatch on Chevron and Arnie (“Chevron donates to Schwarzenegger, gets removal of restrictions on oil refineries in California,” 2004)

And a November-December 2006 newsletter from RESIST, regarding Chevron’s facility in the Philippines.

And of course a Google with Chevron and Drilling and Killing will turn up a tonne of Amy Goodman links.

108. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

In Iraq, Psyops Team Plays on Iran Fears, Soccer Love

Local psychological operations are given a fair amount of flexibility to operate as they please. But their primary messages and handed down from much further up the chain of command. Major Brian Yarbrough, who, until recently headed up all pysops work in Anbar province, told me, “We operate within psyops objectives determined in Washington. Baghdad draws up the supporting objectives. Then we work out specific themes and actions.”

This wasn’t Colabuno’s only message, of course. When the Iraqi national soccer team won the Asia Cup, psyops teams started printing up glossy magazines extolling the team — and the local police, and the virtues of national unity. Colabuno’s team has even printed up t-shirts showing policemen as cartoonishly muscular — Ahnolds of Mesopotamia. “The Iraqi Police: The Real Mujahidun,” the shirts read.

Even bad news was turned to good. When I was in Fallujah, a prominent Sunni Imam was murdered in his Jolan district mosque by a suicide bomber. “Unfortunately, as tragic as an event that is, it’s great for me,” Marine reserve Colonel Wally Powers, an information operations officer, told me the next day. “When they [the jihadists] are just attacking us, people are like, ‘yeah, whatever.’ They don’t care. Now they’re attacking mosques, too. That pisses people off. Beautiful! We didn’t have to do anything!” Later that day, I went with Colabuno to visit a local police chief, a Captain Mohammed. His Imam was the one that got killed. And Captain Mohammed was so angry, he asked Colabuno to print up flyers with his face — unheard of in the area — telling people he wasn’t afraid.

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Help sought for police after combat

This summer, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department began requiring returning officers to spend a day at a department shooting range to test their judgment in various lethal-force scenarios, Cmdr. Linda Castro says.

“In civilian police work, we err on the side of not shooting,” says Audrey Honig, the department’s chief psychologist and the IACP’s chairwoman of psychological services. “In the military, they err on the side of shooting. We are very concerned that some officers are unable to make that transition.”

Unlike past conflicts, including the Vietnam War, the urban nature of the fighting in Iraq, where combatants are mixed among civilians, can make the transition to civilian policing more difficult, Honig says.

In August, an Austin police officer was fired after he shot at a fleeing, unarmed suspect in a crowded parking lot, narrowly missing two children. His attorney, Tom Stribling, says his client, an Army Reserve officer recently back after 11 months in Iraq, suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder.

Last year, a Justice Department analysis estimated 11,380 police officers had been called for service.

“Combat changes people,” Curran says.

110. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007
111. Intermittent Bystander - 1 December 2007

A few Chevron links oozed into spam, I think.

112. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Missed this when it first came out:

Tom Tancredo Hired Illegal Laborers to Renovate His McMansion

When Republican Representative Tom Tancredo isn’t railing against the “scourge” of illegal immigration on the presidential campaign trail, he relaxes in the 1053 square foot basement recreation room of his Littleton, Colorado McMansion. There, he and his family can rack up a game of billiards on their tournament size pool table, play pinball, or enjoy their favorite movies in the terraced seating area of a home theater system. Tancredo, who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War by producing evidence that he suffered from mentally illnesses, especially likes entertaining his buddies with classic war movies.

“We have friends over and I have now shown Pearl Harbor about six times,” Tancredo boasted to the Rocky Mountain News about his 102-inch television. “But I mainly just show the attack scene because the sound is so good.”

When Tancredo hired a construction crew to transform his drab basement into a high-tech pleasure den in October 2001, however, he did not express concern that only two of its members spoke English. Nor did he bother to check the workers’ documentation to see if they were legal residents of the United States. Had Tancredo done so, he would have learned that most of the crew consisted of undocumented immigrants, or “criminal aliens” as he likes to call them. Instead, Tancredo paid the crew $60,000 for its labor and waited innocently for the completion of his elaborate entertainment complex.

During the renovation process, two illegal workers hired by Tancredo were alerted to his reputation for immigrant bashing. They went straight to the Denver Post to complain. Tancredo “doesn’t want us here, but he’ll take advantage of our sweat and our labor,” one of the workers complained to the Post on September 19, 2002. “It’s just not right.”

113. Intermittent Bystander - 1 December 2007

Tancredo, who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War by producing evidence that he suffered from mentally illnesses

According to Wikipedia and other googlables, Tancredo told the draft doctors he had been treated for depression, and got an I-Y deferment (“Unqualified for duty except in time of declared war or national emergency”) thereafter.

During the renovation process, two illegal workers hired by Tancredo were alerted to his reputation for immigrant bashing. They went straight to the Denver Post to complain.

Pity the Memory Hole swallowed so many McNuggets without a trace.
Would have made some good YouTubing for the GOP debate.

114. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi discusses the war, campus politics, and his brief obsession with Thomas Friedman.

The message got watered down and there was a perception that the antiwar movement had been co-opted by a fringe slice of American society, whereas, in fact, if you went to the marches before the war started, the demographic was older people, working professionals, very middle-of-the-road people politically. But because of the kind of stuff you saw at Cindy Sheehan’s campout, the media was able to portray it as this out of control nut job thing.

But I don’t know how much of an effect that had on what happened with the war. The real bad thing with the antiwar movement was that the Democrats got elected and the entire apparatus of the non-profit so-called peace groups basically was taken over by Democratic Party operatives who used the energy of the antiwar movement to further their own legislative goals. And even though the Democratic Congress was elected almost specifically to end the war, they haven’t done it, even though they could have. We got sold out, basically.

115. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

You said somewhere that the perfect symbol for the press corps of the 2004 presidential campaign was Candy Crowley from CNN sitting on the bus with cookie crumbs spilling out of her mouth, talking about how ugly Dennis Kucinich was. Is there any reason to hope for a better media performance this cycle round?

No, it’s all the same. And, you know, it’s not that a lot of these people are bad people. It’s a mistake to go into it saying that these people are all elitist snobs like David Brooks really is. A lot of them are Ivy Leaguers, they all come from a certain class. And you can’t be on the campaign trail unless you work for a massively funded organization. It costs like 3,000 or 4,000 bucks a day to cover the presidential election, just to be on the plane. Some big money has to be behind you. The group of people who end up being on the bus are a group of upper-class people who are all from the same general background, and they’re familiar and comfortable with each other and they’re comfortable with the candidates culturally. They’re living the high life when they’re on the trail, they’re mostly staying in five-star hotels. They get these delicious catered meals served to them four or five times a day. You get chocolates on your pillow, you get the best musicians in the city coming out to play for you everywhere you go. It’s like a big summer camp, like a big field trip.

For these people, with the proximity to power, being able to
sit in an airplane with Hillary Clinton or with John Kerry or John Edwards or Barack Obama—that’s like the sexiest thing they’re ever going to be involved with. And it’s a lot of fun for these people. It’s intoxicating. You can’t take some 25- or 26-year-old kid who is just out of college, put him in that environment, and expect him to be totally objective about it. If you break with the pack on the campaign trail and you’re shunned, it’s a very powerful thing. Nobody wants to do it, because to be friendless in that environment is very, very hard. There’s no way out, they’re the only people you ever see—you’re literally roped off from the rest of the world. There’s a real Stockholm syndrome that goes on. As a result of that, you get this collective worldview that develops where the campaign makes sense and everything that the candidates do is taken at face value. And they judge the candidates according to the internal logic of the campaign process, which, to an outsider or to someone looking at it objectively, is completely perverse and fucked up and wrong. But to them, it all makes perfect sense because you never ever are exposed to anything that shines a negative light on it. They never see any other thing.

116. bayprairie - 1 December 2007

wilfred said

Let me tell you something, when 2 women who have both had affairs with married co-bloggers and had no problem helping to destroy those marriages then seek to destroy your reputation you know you are just one more target in their path to destruction. This is who Em Dash and McJoan are and this is what they do. I’ve never addressed that aspect of them before but if they are still doing this kind of hatchet jobs after all these years then it’s time to call them on all of their nasty shit.

thank you wilfred.

hey, its a good thing the BBBblahhhgs are so upstanding, isn’t it? i can’t imagine what readers would be subject to if they weren’t.

what do the blogs really have going for them? Integrity. If we don’t have that, we have nothing.

117. marisacat - 1 December 2007

Intermittent Bystander out of Spam… comment 107

(sorry for the delay!)

and madman out of Spam and Moderation…

Comments 109 and…. I think 106

Sorry!!

118. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Give Helen Thomas a Raise!

Dana Perino: They elected a commander in chief [not!] and the President is bringing home 5700 troops based on the recommendations of his commanders on the ground and based on return on success. Hopefully in the future we can bring home more but it’s going to depend on what Gen Petraeus reports and remember he will come back in March.

Helen Thomas: Why should we depend on him?

Dana Perino: Because he is the commander on the ground, Helen. He’s the one who is making sure that the situation is moving —

Helen Thomas: You mean how many more people we kill?

Dana Perino: Helen, I find it really unfortunate that you use your front row position bestowed upon you by your colleagues to make such statements. This is. It is an honor and a privilege to be in the briefing room, and to suggest that we, at the United States, are killing innocent people is just absurd and very offensive.

Helen Thomas: Do you know how many we have since the start of this war?

Dana Perino: How many… We are going after the enemy, Helen. To the extent that any innocent Iraqis have been killed, we have expressed regret for it.

Helen Thomas: Oh, regret. It doesn’t bring back a life.

119. marisacat - 1 December 2007

well a big fat bingo (from madman up thread, quoting Taibbi):

The real bad thing with the antiwar movement was that the Democrats got elected and the entire apparatus of the non-profit so-called peace groups basically was taken over by Democratic Party operatives who used the energy of the antiwar movement to further their own legislative goals. And even though the Democratic Congress was elected almost specifically to end the war, they haven’t done it, even though they could have. We got sold out, basically.

120. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007
121. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

a follow-up to our post on Utah tasering from last week,:

Got it? The Trooper screwed up, pushed the situation when he didn’t even need a signature, refused to make any attempts to defuse the situation, then didn’t behave correctly (turned his back on Massey), but the tasering was ok because it was a “scary situation” for the cop.

Ain’t being a cop great! You can screw up every part of your job, have your superiors admit publicly that you screwed up, and you are still justified doing whatever you want if you can claim you got ‘scared.’ It is time to take the toys away from the police and teach them how to do their jobs without the quick “fix” of the taser.

122. Balloon Animal - 1 December 2007

My advice is to begin (or continue) drinking heavily.

We’re in a car being driven at high speed off a very high cliff. The best we can hope for is that our seat belts hold and the air bags deploy. (Well, actually, I hope the car lands on some person or persons who deserve it, but what are the odds?)

Never mind the spare change we keep in the cup holder for tolls; that’s a total loss.

I imagine some psych grad student somewhere is working on a master’s thesis: “Sociopathic Personalities in Blogging” and is mining the very rich vein of material that is DailyKos and affiliated blogs. Armando alone gets twenty pages of the thesis, with copious end notes.

Actually, I’d like to write such a paper myself. Could all of you please research it for me? And be sure to provide links. Thanks! I’m almost as lazy as I am dull, so I rely almost entirely upon others to do all my writing for me.

123. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007
124. Balloon Animal - 1 December 2007

The police have no business serving in the military. Every problem I’ve had with a cop has always been with an ex-soldier, especially ex-Marines.

The training for soldiers and “peace officers”, as the police themselves admit, is diametrically opposite: soldiers are trained to err on the side of shooting and police to err on the side of not shooting (well, in theory….).

The militarization of the police forces has accelerated to the point where many cities resemble occupied zones, and the police, flak-jacketed and jack-booted, appear as alien armies of occupation rather than citizens protecting the lives, safety, and property of fellow citizens.

The last thing I need for the holidays is to have some PTSD-suffering cop apply multiple Taserings to my, uh, manhood. Although I’m sure I’ve had worse weekends.

125. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007
126. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Hey, I think I found the Donklephants’ governing philosophy.

127. marisacat - 1 December 2007

an astute person just popped me this:

did you know mcjoan is evidently the frontpager assigned this week to post on Giuliani’s adultery financing? talk about blazing hypocrisy. it isnt the adultery thats the issue. its state financing!

she’s done two of them but this one is the worst.

LINK to the hypocrisy!

[I took a little license in that last phrase there --- Mcat]

128. marisacat - 1 December 2007

124 Balloon Animal…

San Francisco, that so called liberal city, is actively recruiting ex Iraq for the SFPD.

Oh joy.

129. Balloon Animal - 1 December 2007

What’s wrong with public subsidies for adultery? It’s a growth industry and don’t we want to encourage the jobs it creates? The United States is one of the world’s leaders in adultery, but we have to fight hard to keep it that way.

Actually, I don’t mind adultery so much as I do adulterers judging other adulterers. One is reminded of the hilarious spectacle of Larry Flynt’s investigators exposing Congresscritters such as Henry Hyde, Bob Barr, and New Gingrich as serial adulterers sitting in judgment of the Serial Adulterer in Chief, the male Clinton. Well, if you want someone to expose an adulterer, I suppose you have to get experts who’ve clocked considerable field experience.

So now we have an answer to the question, “How many words can McJoan write without copying and pasting from other sources?” 71 words. And she’s writing a book? I presume it has pop-up pictures, or is McJ’s “Write a Chapter of My Book!” diary on the frontpage of DKos to follow in short order?

The Giuliani story will go nowhere, by the way. Not so surprisingly, neither the press nor the public seem to care that Giuliani used taxpayer funds to shuttle his mistress to-and-fro. The press especially hasn’t decided to chop up Little Caesar and throw the pieces to the dogs just yet, because if Romney shows up at a debate wearing Dr. Frank N. Furter’s corset from “The Rocky Horror Picture Show” (and there’s actually a good chance of it), Rudy may yet prove frontrunner material once again. At least Rudy looked attractive in drag.

130. Balloon Animal - 1 December 2007

Marisacat:

No surprise that the SFPD are recruiting soldiers. Mayor McYuppie wants to clear out the insurgents…I mean homeless…and he’ll need fresh troops for the surge. It’s not called Baghdad by the Bay for nothing, you know.

Victory is at hand in the twilit struggle to prevent lawyers and soccer moms from tripping over a drunk passed out on the sidewalk. Eden is but a step or two away, and Mayor McYuppie will take his city there. If only the supplies of “10 level” hair gel hold out….

131. marisacat - 1 December 2007

BA

hmm wish Gavin were as simple as some hapless McYuppie. Think our biggest problem is that he is some fractious petulant child. it gets old…

132. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

A Nation That Tortures

In 2006, I had an off-the-record discussion with the chief law enforcement officer of one of America’s most important allies. Having read the torture memoranda out of the Justice Department, and having seen the reports issued by the Department of the Army dealing with abuses in Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Guantánamo, I asked, is your Government in a position to engage in prisoner exchanges with the Americans or to allow American interrogators unfettered access to persons in your Government’s custody? He responded in a manner that showed the question had been studied carefully. “I can assure you that we take our obligations under article 3 very seriously. We will not speak publicly about this, but of course we have terminated cooperation with the United States in ways that would violate article 3. And of course we have reached the only possible conclusion, which is that the United States has embraced torture as a matter of formal policy.” This is a nation which continues to be one of our dwindling number of allies, but it faces increasingly steep challenges in cooperating while it complies with the requirements of law.

And this judgment is a very broad one—now shared almost universally by America’s allies. We don’t have to consider what the enemies think.

133. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007
134. marisacat - 1 December 2007

I hope she does…

135. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Act Rationally: Go Independent

So, what is to be done? My own sense is vote, since what the hey. And vote creatively. For example, work your butt off for Cindy Sheehan, instead of muttering about circular firing squads. What? You think Sheehan is going to knock off that great “progressive” Pelosi? Who’s done so much for us? No, she won’t. She can’t. But if she gets even 10 or 15 or 20 percent of the vote, she will attract national attention to the fact that Pelosi is not doing the job her constituents sent her to Congress to do. And spitting into the self-referential complacency of the chattering classes is always worth it.

In the same vein, I will definitely support Cynthia McKinney for president, should she ever decide to run. Cynthia, who (unlike Ralph Nader) has real political instincts, could revitalize the Green Party, getting it organized and making it far more representative of the American polity than it now is. Which would be good, because, boy, do we need a real third party!

But, oh gosh, what if the Green Party takes votes away from the “good” Dems and, as a consequence, the “bad” Repubs win? Stop a minute. Do you really think it matters whether it’s Hillary Clinton or Rudy Giuliani in the White House? Rudy will provide far more amusement. It’s Hil who’s cast in the Dubya I’m-always-right-I-will-punish-my-enemies mold. Anyway, whichever wins, the course of America is set and will continue downward, taking us all with it.

Which brings me to my second point. Vote. Why not, it’s fun. It feels all patriotic and small-town like Norman Rockwell, with the cute little flag out in front and the “I voted” sticker to wear. But don’t stop there! Think of something! Do something! Find others to do it with! Be creative! Be brave! Be aggressive! Throw yourself on the gears, like Mario Savio said. Absent divine intervention, what I do and you do and you do is our last, slim, chance to save the American republic. Which reminds me. Don’t forget to keep your fingers crossed.

136. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007
137. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2007

Real Property Owner v. Live News

Apparently this was taped near one of the wild fires …

138. bayprairie - 1 December 2007

Obama called for tossing out past electoral strategies to embrace independents and disaffected Republicans.

Give me a frigging break!

139. Arcturus - 1 December 2007

Western Shoshone request help in battle against Barrick Gold Mining Co & 21st C goldrush

Hands Off Venezuela Blog

Fish Friday

fascinating blog silence on SF 8 torture after Amy G broadcast yesterday . . .

140. bayprairie - 1 December 2007

hey 39!

looks like mr p. harbors justa leetle resentment at being ridiculed over his tendency to motormouth at unsafe speeds.

good job!

141. marisacat - 1 December 2007

thread…………

LINK

142. marisacat - 1 December 2007

140

and I noticed he did not bother to LINK to Miss D’s original comment, so it would be in context. nor did he link to the post/whole thread.

If I may say so, typical.

143. antihegemonic - 1 December 2007

138. bayprairie – 1 December 2007
Obama called for tossing out past electoral strategies to embrace independents and disaffected Republicans.

Give me a frigging break!

Obama is a closeted Republican whose only purpose is to move the Left to the Right. And all the idiots online have fallen for it.


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