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Gibberish Bombast and Bullshit… [UPDATED: DMR final poll] 31 December 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, The Battle for New Orleans, WAR!.
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… and it has given me a headache the size of Texas.  Candidates, their handlers, political writers (almost all), self important “voters”, and the DC jellyfish brigade, too.

And still they ladle out the platitudes and promise us tended rose gardens.  If we are “responsible”, watch our diet, buy their mandated health insurance fangle-dangle, don’t smoke (but be sure to drive alone on the caustic highways, there being little choice in the USA!!USA!! – and do ignore the trucks and the shipping and the exhaust… and don’t look too closely at the Rio Grande river, choking on the factory effluvia), if we do all of that AND there is no stray chocolate on our white cotton gloves, why, Hosanna Lord and Master, that tended rose garden will be very well tended.

Somehow or other.  They all get vague… I read that Hillary now has her music start up loud at the end of her presentations (how are your white gloves doing, lady?) so there can be no Q&A, Edwards cut off questions following an inconvenient one about that 527 (as if it matters, no clean white gloves anywhere in Iowa) and Obama, well, catch him now or, Michelle says, it’s over for them.  They know Target, so they know us.

One is hope one is change one is the fervent warrior.  Change used to be Hope, Hope used to be Unity and Colorblind and, god help us, the Warrrior used to be both Hope and Help.

Hogwash with a pigshit back.

I did get some amusement out of this, NeoCon Lite Peter Galbraith gets his head and his ass handed back to him, in the thread to his Pakistan comment in the Guardian.  What a fucking loon.  Another guzzler of hogwash, smeared in pigshit, ready to sell us into war.

Here, have a rose.  It smells a lot better than the stench out of Iowa.

        rose tramonte

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UPDATE, 3:49 am

IOZ read the Reza Aslan opinion piece in the Wapo too.

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UPDATE, 7:16 pm

DMR final poll is up:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has widened his lead in Iowa over Hillary Clinton and John Edwards heading into Thursday’s nominating caucuses, according to The Des Moines Register’s final Iowa Poll before the 2008 nominating contests.

Obama’s rise is the result in part of a dramatic influx of first-time caucusgoers, including a sizable bloc of political independents. Both groups prefer the Illinois senator in what has been a very competitive campaign.

::snip::

The poll reflects continued fluidity in the race even as the end of the yearlong campaign nears. Roughly a third of likely caucusgoers say they could be persuaded to choose someone else before Thursday evening. Six percent were undecided or uncommitted.

The poll also reveals a widening gap between the three-way contest for the lead and the remaining candidates. No other Democrat received support from more than 6 percent of likely caucusgoers.

The findings mark the largest lead of any of the Democratic candidates in the Register’s poll all year, underscoring what has been a hard-fought battle among the three well-organized Iowa frontrunners.

It is also the only recent poll of Iowa caucusgoers showing Obama with a lead larger than the survey’s margin of sampling error, which is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

The telephone survey of 800 likely Democratic caucusgoers was taken Dec. 27-30. ::snip::

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UPDATE, 1:30 am

     Fireworks Conor Isaacs

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UPDATE, 3:16 pm

The world outside Iowahhhh:

   Kenya protests after election

TimesOnline has an article up on the protests the past few days in Kenya.. with a javascript pop-up of photos…

A mob has torched a church sheltering hundreds of Kenyans fleeing election violence, killing at least 50 people, many of them children, as the country’s disputed presidential election set off a bloody convulsion threatening what had been East Africa’s most stable and prosperous democracy.

Four days of rioting has killed at least 228 people, and 70,000 have been displaced in western Kenya by the post-electoral disruption, according to a Kenyan Red Cross report today.

The newly re-elected President Mwai Kibaki said today that political parties should meet immediately and publicly call as the for calm as the opposition leader Raila Odinga told Associated Press that the government is guilty of “genocide” after the deadly violence sparked by the disputed election result.

Fears are increasing that the bloodshed, which marks the worst crisis the country has known for decades, will spread into a larger ethnic conflict between Luo, who generally support Mr Odinga, and the Kikuyu tribe of Mr Kibaki. ::snip::

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1. BooHooHooMan - 31 December 2007

tza’freakin” Awesome Piece , Mcat –

One is hope one is change one is the fervent warrior. Change used to be Hope, Hope used to be Unity and Colorblind and, god help us, the Warrrior used to be both Hope and Help.

2. assyrian64 - 31 December 2007

I notice Hillary speaks in ever more soothing, soft and sweet tones at her events. I attribute it to an extra focused awareness of how her support has shaken out … at least I am told it is the “blue hair” brigade.

I thought it was supposed to be armies of working women for Tested, but now I hear it’s the blue hairs. Not too many who actually sport the blue do anymore, but as a nod to the past, it is used for oldsters.

Certainly they cannot be referencing 70’s/80’s blue hairs of Eat the Rich fame.

3. raincat100 - 31 December 2007

Winter Patriot on Bhutto

4. marisacat - 31 December 2007

raincat, thanks for the link… 8)

************************************

Elizabeth Drew in politico, of all places. On Hillary needing Bill to win. I’d call it win by the skin of her teeth.

[H]er campaign had begun by tagging her, simply, “Hillary.”

She would win this thing on her own.

Everyone knew that her husband would be there somewhere in the background, dispensing advice — but Bill and the memories he summons were to be on the sidelines.

Then, when her supposed juggernaut campaign fell into a ditch in Iowa, Bill was called to the rescue.

The Hillary Clinton campaign for the presidency has had an odd herky-jerky quality, marked by multiple and unsubtle switches in strategy — they were practically trumpeted by her aides — giving off an aura of uncertainty behind the sense of inevitability it had carefully cultivated. (Which much of the media bought into.)

The 350-page, state-by-state memo produced last summer by Mark Penn, her chief strategist, purportedly showing that she was the overwhelming favorite led to miscalculations. ::snip::

And I love the zinger in this part:

A recent poll said that 44 percent of the women who support her say that they do so because of him.

If she wins, does that mean there should be an asterisk next to her name?

Is the injection of her husband’s talents and popularity the political equivalent of steroids?

5. Miss Devore - 31 December 2007

The story about Chelsea denying an “interview” with a 9 year old rep of his class newspaper, on the grounds “I don’t talk to press” indicates to me they are disciplined to the rovian max. There will be no humans in this campaign!

6. marisacat - 31 December 2007

Huckabee is so very clever. Pulled his planned for release negative ads and gave a very low key cool to the touch Q&A with reporters as he got a haircut. [watching Tne News Hour… ;) ]

Noticed this in The Caucus in the NYT, Edwardses (both of them) coming back at what, apparently, Michelle Obama is saying directly to people she meets and greets…

But Mr. Edwards was just getting started. “Do you understand how frightening it is to a campaign and a bunch of campaign workers and a candidate that have raised $100 million, to have somebody even with them, who’s spending, whatever it is, a third, or a tenth, I don’t even know how much it is, of what they’re spending?” he said. “I mean, really! It scares them to death because what they know is, what this candidate and campaign stands for is working! They get it, they completely get it. So when you’re resorting to arguments about how much money somebody has, you’re in a bad place.”

“If they have more money and the money’s what matters, why are they worried about me?” he said, adding that the argument was “unbelievably weak.”

Then Elizabeth Edwards, who was also on stage, jumped in. “I just want to say, cause I’ll say it later and I don’t want to forget,” she said. “You may not be surprised. But I am surprised, and disappointed, in Michelle.”

7. marisacat - 31 December 2007

Miss D

I was just getting ot that one, Kit Seelye in The Caucus has it.

When Hillary intro’d Chelsea for the Mother Daughter tour, she declared her “off limits”.

What a scream. Bitches. She is 27 and now being paraded as an adult adornment to the campaign, if she can’t take a few questions then send her back tot he financial waterloos of Manhattan.

8. Hair Club for Men - 31 December 2007

Huckabee is so very clever. Pulled his planned for release negative ads and gave a very low key cool to the touch Q&A with reporters as he got a haircut. [watching Tne News Hour…

Huckabee’s very good on his feet. I saw Russert try to trip him up for 20 minutes and completely fail.

Russert came close a few times on Pakistan. It was clear Huckabee was just bullshitting his way through a subject he didn’t know much about (and doing it fairly well).

But when Russert shifted over to religion and politics, he got owned. How could he not know that the typical high grade Jebotard like Huckabee’s been polishing his answers to every religion and politics question for years. It was too easy for him.

9. marisacat - 31 December 2007

On and on it goes (via Marc Ambinder in The Atlantic):

31 Dec 2007 05:37 pm

1. ABC News and Fox News may leave candidates Biden, Dodd, Kucnich, Hunter and Paul out of their debates next week.

10. marisacat - 31 December 2007

HC

yes I caught Russert on the rerun at 3 am.

Huckabee did his usual very adept parsing and sidestepping. Tells you a lot about organised religion in the USA!!USA!!

Gotta beat out the Lutheran Church down the street. The “battle” for souls and a church’s coffers, etc.

LOL

And where was Jeeeesuhs?

11. marisacat - 31 December 2007

LOL from the afternoon Sneak Peek from The Note:

Tapper reports: “Huckabee now says he will run a positive campaign, even though he’s been calling Romney ‘dishonest’ since Friday, spoke to the press surrounded by placards slamming Romney, and has a passage on his website comparing Romney to Seinfeld’s lying friend George Costanza.”

“It’s never too late to do the right thing,” Huckabee told reporters.

In a move that had reporters scratching their heads, Huckabee then showed the anti-Romney ad – the one he said he wouldn’t run on television.

12. Hair Club for Men - 31 December 2007

Huckabee did his usual very adept parsing and sidestepping.

They must teach Bullshitting 101 in Arkansas public schools. Huckabee’s got more than a little Clinton in him.

He’s got his whole new variation on the “I feel your pain” act.

13. marisacat - 31 December 2007

From SUlly in The ATlantic

Fox Bars Ron Paul

31 Dec 2007 06:10 pm

But they allow Fred Thompson in their New Hampshire debate next week. Paul has twice the support of Thompson in New Hampshire. He has raised much more money than Thompson and has more ability to last into the campaign. On what basis is he excluded? New Hampshire may well be his moment. And Fox seems determined to stop him.

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14. BooHooHooMan - 31 December 2007

Happy New Year for our elders
courtesy of CNN the Good News in Iraq People..
Not worth a link – on their FP though..

LIFE AFTER WORK
Potential tax relief
What if seniors could work part-time, for $7 an hour, to help pay off some of their property taxes

Property taxes? Christ, people 80 years old are working to pay for food and medicine. My neighbor is 82, six months post his 2nd run at quad CABG, adult son with schizophrenia and his wife has alzheimers…Insisting he is still going to be doing his house painting on the side this spring and cutting lawns this summer. He says he’ll be damned if he’s gonna lose his home though. It was brutal on him to take the step of getting meals on wheels for his wife…

Our society is totally fucked while we just move the furniture around a bit politically, just different placement of the loungers and chairs in the Houses on the Hill…Everyone else has that twing of fear always that they could all to easily be on the streets in their old age if not sooner.

Well, WRT the window dressing – to paraphrase Poppy B. —
Not. Gonna. Do- it.

15. marisacat - 31 December 2007

hmm in a way I am getting twisted win out of this…

Edwards is surging, for real in Iowa and cash donations. Word is that after his am appearances today, he pulled in big in the mid day.

I cannot buy his game, but at least if he does well, a very close second say, the party cannot call out a populist run with a somwhat leftischer tilt.

BTW: Last DMR poll due out in about a half hour.

Also Richardsona nd Biden were getting crowds, so their numbers edging up could make them players at least. Dodd seems the forgottn man.

16. marisacat - 31 December 2007

DMR final poll is up:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has widened his lead in Iowa over Hillary Clinton and John Edwards heading into Thursday’s nominating caucuses, according to The Des Moines Register’s final Iowa Poll before the 2008 nominating contests.

Obama’s rise is the result in part of a dramatic influx of first-time caucusgoers, including a sizable bloc of political independents. Both groups prefer the Illinois senator in what has been a very competitive campaign.

::snip::

The poll reflects continued fluidity in the race even as the end of the yearlong campaign nears. Roughly a third of likely caucusgoers say they could be persuaded to choose someone else before Thursday evening. Six percent were undecided or uncommitted.

The poll also reveals a widening gap between the three-way contest for the lead and the remaining candidates. No other Democrat received support from more than 6 percent of likely caucusgoers.

The findings mark the largest lead of any of the Democratic candidates in the Register’s poll all year, underscoring what has been a hard-fought battle among the three well-organized Iowa frontrunners.

It is also the only recent poll of Iowa caucusgoers showing Obama with a lead larger than the survey’s margin of sampling error, which is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

The telephone survey of 800 likely Democratic caucusgoers was taken Dec. 27-30. ::snip::

17. bayprairie - 31 December 2007

They must teach Bullshitting 101 in Arkansas public schools. Huckabee’s got more than a little Clinton in him.

imho its a baptist preacher thing. nobody in the world can bullshit as well as a baptist preacher.

18. marisacat - 31 December 2007

and Bill is at least a third Televangelist. He reminds me of someone called, I think, Brother Bob. Who puts his hand up to the camera and asks you to match your hand to his on the TV screen. And send MONEY. Of course…

LOL… I can see some Bobby Bakker or Swaggert end for Bill, down the road…

8)

19. liberalcatnip - 31 December 2007

Happy New Year/Bonne et Heureuse Année!

(I can go to bed now, right?)

20. liberalcatnip - 31 December 2007

Oh: Nader throws support to Edwards (but I guess they can’t talk about that at dkos…mwahahaha)

21. liberalcatnip - 31 December 2007

Speaking of dkos and Ron Paul, this guy should be toast by morning.

22. melvin - 31 December 2007

What do I know?

The hardest part ’bout leavin
the hard part’s not going away
it’s the life you have to take with you
and how little you really want to stay

23. Hair Club for Men - 31 December 2007

Dennis Kucinich: His Biggest Strength Is His Biggest Weakness

http://www.rogouski.com/2008/01/dennis-kucinich-his-biggest-st.html

24. Hair Club for Men - 31 December 2007

Nader throws support to Edwards

That’s a little like Salman Rushdie converting to Islam.

Ain’t going to lift the Fatwah against him. Osama Bin Kos and the Grand Ayatollah Howard Dean would still like to see him strapped into a white chair while they fire up the videocam.

25. marisacat - 31 December 2007

well I never understood why, what the reasoning was behind Nader approaching Dean for the VP spot.

It seemed incongruous.

26. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

HNY, vipes.

27. bayprairie - 1 January 2008

towns van zandt, the songwriter, died 11 years ago today. here are three of his hopeless songs from youtube.

Nanci Griffith : Tecumseh Valley

Bloody Social – Waiting Around To Die

Townes Van Zandt – Marie

hopeless seems a good fit for the upcoming year.

28. melvin - 1 January 2008

What is this fucking angst on horseback? Christ I thought I was a downer.

29. melvin - 1 January 2008

Edge: What have you changed your mind about?

J. Craig Venter:

I wanted to believe that solving the carbon fuel problem was for future generations and that the big concern was the limited supply of oil not the rate of adding carbon to the atmosphere.
~~~
unfortunately for humanity, the natural world around us does not care what we believe.

LeeSmolin:

Rather than being an illusion, time may be the only aspect of our present understanding of nature that is not temporary and emergent.

Carolyn Porco:

I’m no longer sure that scientific inquiry and the cultural value it places on verifiable truth can survive

30. raincat100 - 1 January 2008

23. Hair Club for Men

Thanks for that piece.

31. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

I put down my personal Nader voodoo doll a good time back and came to see how the un’fucking-fillibustering Dem Senate for decades enabled a Right Wing Judiciary that ultimately handed down Bush v. Gore…

To me, the Nader endorse is a pleasant eyebrow raiser…I’d like to know the dynamics behind it, to what extent ( if at all) it involved liason bridge building between Edwards Peeps & Ralph which, (if so,) I’d find commendable on principle but also very savvy politically in a fucking squeeker….

Nader is never one known to gush, his measured words re Edwards as “a glimmer of hope” in the DP won’t have much effect with the already committed starry eyed groupies in Iowa or the Party Hackery certainly. I do think Nader’s pull might be more relavent with disaffected D’s going into New Hampshire and Independents beyond if Edwards could survive that long….

The money issue re Edwards is bad but Johnny’s Po’Mouth bit really isn’t as bad since he does have (as BO says) some of the more aggressive activist labor carrying water for him. Ben Smith, who IMO is a total Clinton toady – only softball criticism of her….
anyways, Smith has a piece up on Politico about Obama being light with inroads to unions. Hillary e.g., is pulling a lot dough from the NEA, but my anecdotal experiences with teachers during GOTV is most were candy-asses more concerned with bringing or consuming the casserole than flushing neighborhoods in the cold, a kind of “We sent our money, we’re here for the party” kind of attitude…

WTF do I know though? I’m cutting through the shrink wrap on a highjacked pallet of popcorn and cigars I have on my front porch here in Jersey…LOL. Just kidding…(about the highjacked part)
It still is kabuki, methinks, having been burned so often, the only lesson we seem fated to learn ad nauseum is that politics and politicians are bought and sold wholesale in this country. I of course would be glad to be wrong about it….

32. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

Well, I think if Nader really wanted a candidate for change, he would have gone for Kucinich. I assume he’s backing Edwards because he actually has a (hope in hell) chance of getting the nomination and he’s using the right populist key words – unless Nader knows something I don’t. I just don’t see Johnny With the Hair changing the status quo in Washington.

33. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

Words you don’t want to hear: (from CNN’s Iowa coverage )

“Huckabee is warming up on the bass guitar.”

34. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

Huckabee’s at the Elks Lodge playing to Blue Suede Shoes. Ummm…

35. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

Romney is wearing white pants. Call the fashion police – there’s been a violation.

(Okay, I’ll stop.) ;)

36. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

LOL. Drunken villagers emerging from under their rocks
for Obama Slams Gore by Kos.
.
.
Like you’ve never criticized the Kerry campaign. (30+ / 0-)

Oh, please.

by Shem on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 08:35:08 AM PST

*
Mainstream-media-style headlines from Kos, too. (59+ / 0-)

A critique of campaigns becomes “OBAMA SLAMS GORE.”

[Candidate] SLAMS [candidate].

[Candidate] RIPS [candidate].

[Candidate] LASHES OUT AT [candidate].

[Candidate] IMPALES [candidate] ON A TEN-FOOT POLE.

by Shem on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 08:37:24 AM PST

[ Parent ]
Mainstream-media-style headlines from Kos, too. by Shem, Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 08:37:24 AM PST (59+ / 0-)
o
The headlines are looking like Drudge. (65+ / 0-)

If anyone is slamming dems it’s kos.

by citizenx on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 08:39:10 AM PST

+
Via Taylor “DLC operative” Marsh (19+ / 0-)

I really didn’t expect to see this crap here. I am so dissapointed!

CondiLiar Rice, enabler and war criminal

by gaiilonfong on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 08:45:28 AM PST

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Not the first “OBAMA SHITS ON [x]” Kos headline (25+ / 0-)

either. I remember when Markos used the front page for a two-sentence accusation (“Obama shits on his biggest supporters”) because the Obama campaign took over management of their MySpace domain.

I’ve removed Markos from my blogroll; if I want Drudge-style headlines, I already know where the Drudge Report is.

[Snip]

Stop Smoking that weed Kos….. (4+ / 0-)

Damn, I know this is about stirring up the hornets nest but damn; doth smoketh much??

by rapcetera on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 08:58:44

+
There is a Kos agenda (0 / 0)

There’s no secret there.

Kos is a Democratic Party gig. And if the Democratic party is DLC, then Kos is DLC. What was the thread a few months back?

“We’re a Democratic Party Blog” or some shit like that.

Republicans think Christmas trees in Federal buildings will save them from their sins.

by LandSurveyor on Tue Jan 01, 2008 at 09:56:16 AM PST

37. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

LOL. I’m out…

38. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

Oh Heya catnip! Definitely agree

Well, I think if Nader really wanted a candidate for change, he would have gone for Kucinich. – liberalcatnip

39. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

kossucks in revolt against their intemperate leader. I couldn’t believe when I saw 800+ posts on a kos diary. I didn’t wade too much further than BHHM posted above, but several other diaries are springing up.

40. marisacat - 1 January 2008

LOL

Ben Smith, who IMO is a total Clinton toady – only softball criticism of her….
———— BHHN

Most of them are, it seems to me. Some who came out for someone diddled around between Edwards or obama (or Dodd or Richardson or Biden) but the scene is run to criticise all (with the odd cheerleaders pompom throw) but to go soft on Mr and Mrs Bill.

41. marisacat - 1 January 2008

The thing is the so called OBama criticism of BOTH Gore and Kerry (and it was a couple days ago) was a very off hand single liner.

It COULD be interpreted as a slam, but I saw it more as a passing observation of ’00 and ’04…

Oddly enought Obama responded several days ago to a question about his so called opposition to 527s with a much more inflammatory line and I have waited to see if anotehr camp would pick it up. It seemed a natural for Hillary to pounce on.

He was asked, if you are so opposed to 527 work, then in the GE what do you plan to do about issue ads and fighting back against the R.

His answer was he hoped to reach an AGREEMENT with the R as to what would be permissable.

It did get reported but for osme reason neither Clinton camp not Edwards has capitalised on it.

I mean, if you want to criticise earlier campaigns (that had lots of problems, no question) don’t be saying you can reach agreement w tih the R in a race.

bow wow.

42. melvin - 1 January 2008

36 I saw kos’ drivel and thought to myself it was his stupidest and lamest yet – and that is going some.

Amazing to see the sheep look up.

43. melvin - 1 January 2008

41 Leave it to kos to scramble. A lot could have been written, including your 41, that might have shed some light. But that might require thought.

44. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

There’s definitely a parallel between how kossacks rail against the Dems and then support them anyway and how they get their panties in a twist about kos but refuse to abandon him. Suckers for punishment because they just can’t allow themselves to see an alternative to his blog or the Dem party. Someone will put up an “I love kos and you should too, damnit” diary along with an “we’re all in this together – send money to the Dems now” screed and things will be all fixed (for a few days anyway). It truly is a vicious cycle.

45. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

I saw it more as a passing observation of ‘00 and ‘04…

Exactly.

46. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

well, the guy who owns the blog is backpedaling now. Bring in the “flawless” digby for back-up.

And pony-boy drops in for his cheerleading stint. Could the Manifesto be coming?

47. melvin - 1 January 2008

46 Miss D — Manifesto? I’m still waiting for my antipasto.

48. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

I think its worth noting the Kos bombacity juxtaposed against the
Sirota piece, “Gauging the Fear Inside the Palace Walls” that I saw a blip of last night on the Dauphin’s rec list. A bit of Markos looking over the royal urinal divider as it were, feeling perhaps a little un M Dowd in their circles, now that David’s own syndication is going well…

49. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

I boiled down my turkey bones as a last risotto.

50. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

BHHM–you could catapult to punditry with your Hillary 3rd in Iowa bet.

If you are correct, and I do hope so because it is difficult to wear a hard-boiled egg on one’s visage–I’m going to send your prediction ’round the blogosphere.

51. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

LOL melvin. Manifesto? I’m still waiting for my antipasto.
I’m with you.

52. marisacat - 1 January 2008

hmm just reading the headlines at Ben Smith (he is good for a flood of links)

Looks like ABC will limit to top 4 out of Iowa for the debate…

and Kucinich just lost his NH state director.

hmmm.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

53. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

Dee, I was thinking of just modifying some bondage appliance to hold the boiled egg if need be…LOL anyways, she has to win before I break out my- I mean this thing a friend found to….LOL …Christ, now if she wins–I suppose in fairness I’ll be FORCED to go to a some local Delights franchise to pick up a ball gag.

Who me? Why ,ah, yes,- I was wondering
if you had something that could hold a hard boiled egg…

Store Operator, with a knowing look:

So, you’re into chickens??….

No, Politics actually…

Sure you are…

54. marisacat - 1 January 2008

hmm Marc Ambinder at The ATlantic says that Fischer, the former chair of the Iowa Dem party who is now co chair for Obama in Iowa estimates a turn out of 200K

wellll… 2004 was 124.

The analyses that pick apart the projections for caucus numbers and who will caucus [incredibly high numbers of IND and a big big jump in R caucusing for Dems from 04) from the DMR poll are interesting to read. I have no fucking clue.

With all of this being said tho, obama now has to win.

55. melvin - 1 January 2008

49 Sounds like heaven. Would you believe early a.m. on the 24th Safeway had no turkey? None. Not a wing, in a huge, brand new store. Beef pot roast leftovers just don’t cut it.

56. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008

So, you’re into chickens??….

No, Politics actually…

Same thing. Both are foul.

57. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

LMAO Catnip, sharp as ever…

58. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

It is true that one of the best mushroom risottos on earth is made with turkey broth. that would be mine. it’s basically an analog to the turkey dressing of my tradition-with celery, onions, rosemary et al, and lemon zest.

about turkey in washington state:

When I lived in Bellingham, it had a small-townish newspaper, which would go big on whatever culturally conventional thing happened. So when I saw a front-page article entitled “Turkey doesn’t seem to be worried about arms cut off”, I groaned inwardly, thinking it the puff T-day piece.

And then it occurred to me that it was the head, not the arms, that is cut off on T-day.

so I had to eat my giblets, so to speak.

59. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

{applause for catnip}

I could make you an award ribbon of red silk string…

60. marisacat - 1 January 2008

melvin –

sorry you did not get your turkey but, as in misery loves company, my last two Safeway deliveries, they claimed to be out of their own brand half and half and their own brand of EggNog.

Pretty odd, imo.

;(

61. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

Anne Seltzer of the DMR Poll responded to criticism by edwards peeps that the fla was oversampled with Independents. Edwards camp also claimed 25% as the historical num for first time caucusers. Seltzer responded that No, in 2004 the rate was almost 40%. I’m not convinced that all will accrue to Obama automatically.

Underlying my soon to be cult classic take here is the notion that properly run candidate appear’s and outreach not only address prospective voters, they are also organizational building and nourishing opportunities..Something that a few days ago was advantage Edwards and Obama…I also think its dificult to turf that in at the last min in small town areas. It reminds me of being in a swing state in 2000 when a truckload of these t-shits and campaign paraphernalia arrived a few two days before the election. I imagine much of the well made cotton tees ended up as wash rags somewhere. According to the top PTB, There was neither the time nor need to get them out in areas that in their wisdom had already “abandoned fields”…Maybe it was just to see that one of Shrums subs got some milk……..LOL. Fuckheads, all.

62. marisacat - 1 January 2008

hmmm BHHM

let me find it again, desmoinesdem at Mydd has a comment that Selzer’s sampling would need more IND than are registered inside Iowa.

Be interesting to watch, as I said (and others too) he now needs to win.

could be tough.

And having the caucus night with a triple whammy, school night, big game night (or so I have read) and hard on the heels of the XmasNY holidaze…

who knows.

63. marisacat - 1 January 2008

hmm canot find the exact desmoinesdem comment but this is the diary and the thread. The diarist does compare actual 04 breakdown of caucusgoers with the projections from DMR for this year and what a big difference ti requires.

Who knows. It is a secret soup caucus night iwth the Dems, the Republicans run a more honest set up by far.

64. marisacat - 1 January 2008

Kucinich throws to Obama:

anuary 01, 2008

Read More: Barack Obama

Kucinich sorta endorses Obama

An unexpected twist from the Kucinich camp:

Kucinich Urges Supporters to
Back Obama on Second Iowa Ballot

For Immediate Release – Tuesday, January 01, 2008

DES MOINES, IA – Democratic Presidential candidate and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich opened the New Year by publicly asking his Iowa supporters to vote for him in the caucuses this Thursday, and suggesting that if he did not make the 15% threshold, their second ballot should be for Senator Barack Obama.

“This is obviously an ‘Iowa-only’ recommendation, as Sen. Obama and I are competing in the New Hampshire primary next Tuesday where I want to be the first choice of New Hampshire voters.

“I hope Iowans will caucus for me as their first choice this Thursday, because of my singular positions on the war, on health care, and trade. This is an opportunity for people to stand up for themselves. But in those caucus locations where my support doesn’t reach the necessary threshold, I strongly encourage all of my supporters to make Barack Obama their second choice. Sen. Obama and I have one thing in common: Change.”

By Ben Smith 03:40 PM

65. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

I just want to avoid personal humiliation if Hillary wins Iowa. ..LOL..
Anyways, I’m out for a bit of the family roundup.. Allegedly my 17yo shnookums has arrived safely from her weekender with her girlfriends and is chowing down over at her grandmothers. I may take a small rake and some luggage to discreetly work the buffet … :D

66. Gaianne - 1 January 2008

Bayprairie #27–

Had never heard of Townes van Zandt. That is the best stuff I have heard in a WHILE.

Melvin #29–

Very interesting items!

67. BooHooHooMan - 1 January 2008

Wow. Denny’s move to Obama. Real quick before din, I’d like to know the same about Kuc’s moove towards Obama as Nader’s nod to Edwards. Not too shabby (politically) to the extent it was sought by outreach of the candidates or their campaigns that is…food and rolling eyeballs await…

68. liberalcatnip - 1 January 2008
69. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 January 2008

has anybody read anything about the protests at the Rose Bowl parade today?

Trying to catch up on emails and such after being offline all weekend.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 January 2008

Melvin, thanks for the links to “Edge”. Very interesting stuff. I don’t click in there often enough.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 January 2008

This is a good one from Edge:

Freeman Dyson:

When facts change your mind, that’s not always science. It may be history. I changed my mind about an important historical question: did the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki bring World War Two to an end? Until this year I used to say, perhaps. Now, because of new facts, I say no. This question is important, because the myth of the nuclear bombs bringing the war to an end is widely believed. To demolish this myth may be a useful first step toward ridding the world of nuclear weapons.

In addition to the myth of two nuclear bombs bringing the war to an end, there are other myths that need to be demolished. There is the myth that, if Hitler had acquired nuclear weapons before we did, he could have used them to conquer the world. There is the myth that the invention of the hydrogen bomb changed the nature of nuclear warfare. There is the myth that international agreements to abolish weapons without perfect verification are worthless. All these myths are false. After they are demolished, dramatic moves toward a world without nuclear weapons may become possible.

72. Hair Club for Men - 1 January 2008

The BEAST 50 Most Loathsome People in America, 2007. Good stuff.

51. Markos Moulitsos

Charges: Supported Mark Warner for President when Warner was buying him drinks, then acted as if Warner didn’t even exist after Hillary forced him out of the race. Went out of his way to humiliate Mike Gravel. Called Ron Paul the only open racist in the Republican primary, completely ignoring Rudy Giuliani, Duncan Hunter, uh, all the rest of them. Had has brain dead followers harass Cindy Sheehan off the Daily Kos.

Exhibit A: I wore combat boots.

Sentence: Skinned, sauteed, boiled, cooked up in a stew from one of his followers’ recipes and fed to trolls.

73. marisacat - 1 January 2008

madman…

had not heard of Rose Bowl protests…

will look around, thanks.

74. marisacat - 1 January 2008

LOL Crisis in Iowahhhhhhhhhh

Tancredo “tilting off” Romney.

I scammed a headline at SUlly’s… http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

8)

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 January 2008
76. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 January 2008
77. Miss Devore - 1 January 2008

paging Interpol…I’ve found the real killer:

http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showComment.do?commentId=52609

78. marisacat - 1 January 2008

hmm while I was at Pffters.. (oops I had never heard of Dondi, LOL, it looked like Curious George to me at first, Miss D) I saw

HCfM’s diary on Kucinich x posted htere

79. marisacat - 1 January 2008

from desmoinesdem at Breaking Blue:

Iowa Democratic Party to post precinct-level results online (desmoinesdem)

IowaVoter has the good news over at Bleeding Heartland.

The Iowa Democratic Party will put the precinct-level results online at http://www.iowacaucusresults.com.

These are likely to be only the delegate counts from the precincts, not the raw vote counts that would indicate caucus-goers’ initial preferences.

Posted at 01/01/2008 06:49:54 AM EST – #

80. lucid - 2 January 2008

HNY kids! I’m sure it will be yet another desperate roast in hell, but I’m, at least hopeful that things are looking up in my life… ;)

Still can’t believe the caucus is on Thursday, given that it’s seemed like the causcus is tomorrow since friggin’ January 07…

Go Cynthia! ;)

81. marisacat - 2 January 2008

Happy New Year

lucid and all………….

8)

82. marisacat - 2 January 2008

oh double yum… thanks to an emailer,

from a lucious GBCW at Red State (and there is more, next he eviscerates Stoller – and I am still reading):

[S]peaking of whining, puling little men without chests: Dear Adam Bonin:

You pathetic excuse for a mockup of a pigtailed little girl. You were banned because

you were an obnoxious ass who liked to drop off-topic bank shots into comments whenever you didn’t like the way a thread was going;

because you lacked more than infrequent courtesy in how you treated a place that doesn’t resemble the asylum you call your community home;

and because whenever you felt threatened, you went running for Mommy and Daddy as loudly as you could.

Your weaselly attempt to frame (I used a word with which you’re familiar to bring this back into the realm of the comprehensible for you) your banning to any and all who would listen is replete with a priori conceptual, logical, and, best of all, factual errors on a nearly unparalleled scale. The next time you want to whine about getting a richly deserved punishment, save yourself the embarrassment of making up new facts you like, and just cry into the hindquarters of a baboon at the Philadelphia Zoo. ::spin::

83. marisacat - 2 January 2008

As I said, luscious:

Speaking of little girls: To Matt Stoller: One day, you’re going to learn that there are consequences to pathetically seeking friendship from people offline, then knifing them in the kidneys online, not least of which is that when those pictures of you and the obese, naked clowns come to light, there’s no one there to defend you. I will come out of retirement the day that happens, Stinky, to pee on the burial site of your reputation.

84. marisacat - 2 January 2008

AND the GBCW RedStater takes a good scream at ALL the R horses’ asses running for the Roses….

What a hoot!

85. wu ming - 2 January 2008

that was ruthless. like a bizarro dKos, really.

86. marisacat - 2 January 2008

new thread……..

I have no fucking clue


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