I have no fucking clue… 2 January 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Afghanistan War, Iran, Iraq War, WAR!.trackback
IMO it’s a passel of DLCers running. Senate level. They drew lots for who should be whom to the hapless electorate: You be Mary Mary Quite Contrary, and I will be Little Miss Muffet…thank goodness it’s easy to remember that the Republicans are the Big Bad Wolf….
Well, all but.
But, in the spirit that someone will win, some last minute interviews that Obama and Edwards gave to the NYT (guess Hillary fended them off). The preamble states it is edited, so …
and this appears at the close… sigh. I’d feel a lot better [not that I care, mind you] if he did not so clearly need Elizabeth with him as much as possible.
Q. Thank you for your time.
A. Thank you for making the trip here.
Elizabeth Edwards: My only criticism is that you did not talk about training outside of Iraq, the training of security forces.
Q. Basically what you seem to be implying is that we are out of the training business for training the Iraqi soldiers.
Mr. Edwards: Oh No. I think we can do training outside of Iraq.
Q. Well, go ahead. So your point is that you would continue it outside.
Mrs. Edwards: You’re looking at me. It’s the one thing you forgot.
Q. Well, you’re the one who made the point. It’s not in the White Book; I looked.
Mr. Edwards: I have talked about this in the past. I think we can do some ongoing training outside of Iraq. I think the problem of doing the training inside of Iraq is the troop level that is required.
Q. What you can do outside Iraq is limited.
Mr. Edwards: Of course, it is limited.
Q. You have to take the forces there away from the fight, and you can’t do unit training. There’s not very much you can do outside Iraq but you can do some.
A. You can do some. You can do some.
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Q. In your plan presented in September, you mentioned if there was widespread sectarian killing, you said you would reserve the right to send American forces back into Iraq as part of an international effort to stem the sectarian killings and to protect the population. So there are some circumstances that even after the pullout of combat forces, you would envision a population security mission. Would you be prepared to do this unilaterally? How bad would it have to be before you would contemplate going back into Iraq?
A. I don’t think this is something that you can perfectly calibrate. You have to look at the situation on the ground. As I’ve already noted, I believe that there will be a spike in violence as we make a transition. Keep in mind that I think that there’s going to be more violence over the long haul by us not changing the course, so I’m weighing – again – bad options.
It is conceivable that there comes a point where things descend into the mayhem that shocks the conscience and we say to ourselves, this is not acceptable, anymore that what happened in Darfur is not acceptable. At that point, my strong, strong preference would be to work in concert with the international community. Now I think there are some things that we can do to prevent some of that, that are non-military. I think it’s important, and I mentioned this in the speech in September, for us to start setting up an international commission that is tracking some of the activities that are going on in Iraq and allow for the perpetrators of mass violence to be held accountable.
Now, obviously, we’re not in a very strong footing right now to do that, when we just provide immunity to Blackwater Security Forces. That undercuts that message. Part of what we want to have is a structure in place that says, ‘We’re starting to keep track of what’s going on and there’s an international mandate to insure that crimes against humanity are not taking place.”
Oh it’s a nice thought, vaguely stated, the capitulation already embedded. So typical. And if you read it carefully, he does not mean violence, “things that descend into mayhem” or “crimes against humanity” as perpetrated by US forces. Not at all.
Such a valiant opponent of the war. And for all I know he had Michelle AND Samantha in attendance and they just did not pipe up.
Q. Presumably, the purpose would be to discourage the sectarian acts that would compel you to go back into Iraq. In terms of enforcement, would you then try to apprehend the war criminals, the way it’s done in the Balkans, taken into custody? Or would it be to simply put them on a list?
A. If you’ve got a red line and that red line is crossed, part of what you want to see is the international community taking action. This is not going to happen smoothly, but it hasn’t happened smoothly in the Balkans. It hasn’t happened smoothly in Africa. But it begins to create a norm that people understand the international community may enforce and it offers not a perfect, but a modest prophylactic to the kind of activities that not just the United States, but all people around the world want to prevent.
Another meddler and quite anxious to be one.
No one else really applies for the job, by now it advertises quite openly that it is blood work, making sure the gutters in the abattoir are filled.
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Just for ridiculous, poor Larry Johnson (and his sidekick Susan Hu)… it is impossible to open a diary based site that does not carry one of their pro-Hillary shill works. How appalling.
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The Washington Note, in support of the distasteful and lying parade of nearly elderly, center-right, congealing fuckball of pols past any prime they ever had (and the thread is a hoot, the commenters just lined up Gatling guns and shot at all those failed and passe pols), Clemons did, however, get off a good graf or two on the national situation:
[T]his kind of effort reminds me of former Council on Foreign Relations Vice President Nancy Roman’s “Both Sides of the Aisle,” a well-intended but policy-lite treatment on what it would take to rebuild common cause across party lines and foster more bipartisanship. One of her core recommendations was that Republican and Democratic Members of Congress travel together on Congressional Delegations (CODELs) more frequently. [I’d support this if the trips are one way! No Return! Sans Retour, bar the borders against THEM!!— Mcat]
Traveling together does not remedy the fact that Republicans and Democrats were complicit in the Iraq War. Both parties have been complicit in the appropriations corruption that came with obscene Homeland Security spending around the nation. Both parties have been complicit in refusing to solidly challenge the most aggressive expansion of Executive Branch authority in more than a century. Both parties have been complicit in failing to shore up investment in the American economy and its workforce. Both parties have been complicit in allowing Americans to be spied on. Both parties have been complicit in allowing low level soldiers to take the hit for Abu Ghraib and allowing the decision-makers in the White House and Pentagon to get a complete pass.
The situation we have today was produced by aggressive, high-fear tactics of minority political operations within both the Republican and Democratic parties — that then cowed a party membership that passively followed.
Mooo…
What I see, still, is a passel of DLCers who want the really big Mcjob. Top of the greasy heap, flipping the world on the griddle. And collecting the perks. I do think EE had some version of a Murtha moment (best I could ever figure he began to weep one day at a bedside at Walter Reed, it lasted for two years, almost to the day, and was all about him, so typical) – EE, probably genuinely, wants to help people, in some missionary, welfare from above sense. It is not enough.
from Common Ills by isaiah…
Christ, can they get nothing straight? You know they all were thinking, 2063, or ’73 or…
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A thought before I get out the door …
WHY do people think it’s better to compromise BEFORE THE DEBATE? Do they NOT understand what was intended by the founders when they set up all of those pesky checks and balances? Answers are found THROUGH intellectual (and not so) combat, NOT by a bunch of simps enjoying the benefits of the status quo trying to make the status quo a little NICER.
The system only works if people are launching verbal and written brickbats at each other. If the last seven (and more) years prove anything, it’s that too much consensus is DEADLY. Loud shouting of bs opinions is NOT the same as having a debate. THERE IS NO DEBATE IN THIS COUNTRY.
All of Edwards fine talk means nothing until he goes after the Military Industrial and Police Prison Law complexes. There can be no healthcare reform unless removing private insurance from the system is at least DISCUSSED.
A friend sent me this NY Times piece, which talks mostly about business, but it’s true for politics as well:
See you all later.
I was surprised to see Susan Hu back posting at dk; more surprised when the diary I read was written to calm the waters from a previous diary she had written & that they both were hillshillaries.
Hitchens slaps around the corrupt Iowa system…
LOL
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couple of weeks ago, LJohnson used his space at TPMCafe for a post of Susan’s.
I did enjoy the thread that just slapped them around, big time.
He tried to claim that neither he nor Susan was a supporter of any one candidate… then a commenter found her comments at the Hillary site.
Full of slobber and even a special “hello” to Daou from Susan Hu.
Spare us!
Just enjoying the clueless, angry DK faithful spinning round their dolt leader, Markos. I feel safer just knowing he’s writing for Newsweek.
We Mean You No Harm. Please Come Home.
The Grannies back in action on my fair side of the fair city. Always a good thing to see.
I’ve been very busy and also had wayyyyyyy too much rum punch yesterday, but I did want to wish you all the best for ’08.
Later.
I, too, have no fucking clue but I’ve taken to viewing the whole process, as IOZ remarked, through the lens of intrigue and “intrique within old royal and imperial courts”. Outwardly and mostly, staying within the bounds of accepted protocol but behind the scenes, stomping, shiv’ing, simpering and sucking their way to the top of the pile. Helped along by vain and venal couriers and toadies, who constantly shift alliances for their own benefit. All lusting for the power, money, sex, status, fame and luxury that running empire brings. (In this day and age, steady employment, alone, is a big lure. LOL)
This view doesn’t help in understanding the loons but it sure, as fuck, ups the entertainment value… 😎
More, from IOZ, on our little empire.
http://whoisioz.blogspot.com/2008/01/he-doesnt-hate-me-he-lurves-me.html
Come along with me…
Now, following Johnson’s logic that Hillary has lots of foreign policy experience via osmosis since she was first lady and considering Johnson’s gushing endorsement of Nixon’s foreign policy, one must then conclude that Pat Nixon’s foreign policy experience equaled Hillary’s – right?
Johnson – once a Republican, always a Republican. Btw, what foreign policy experience does Larry have?
I feel safer just knowing he’s writing for Newsweek.
Do you think his Newsweek editors would have let him get away with the tabloid headline “Obama Slams Gore”? No, neither do I.
I’ll let you know when the rioting in the streets begins.
Yeah, right.
Ooops: $100/barrel link
Nixon became incensed and ordered a tactical nuclear strike.”. Kissinger called the Joint Chiefs and told them to do nothing until Nixon sobered up in the morning.
commenter at TPM Cafe, via catnip
yup if they don’t go into the Oval as full on nutters, they soon are.
I’d love to think there was someone in the line up who can handle the Situation Room (the real one, at the WH) but a field of primped yahooos is what I see.
Very mindful of the coterie, for instance (and it is not just him) that danced around JE at the time of the vote for war… Shrum said to vote for it, EE said no.
…and the rest is history. Mrs Bill will always need Mr Bill I fear and when she does nto want or need him he will still push in… and Obama will answer to white faces.
The Clintons are their own crazed ‘if they lived in a Kentucky trailer court the cops would be out every week’ team and the others have no personal power, none.
Thanks, no.
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hmm just heard that Lantos will not run, he has cancer.
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aemd LOL
thanks for the link.
just saw this in the Mike Allen/Politco email:
We’ll see how close that is come Friday. It all sounds very logical and do-able.
liberalcatnip, no. 8,
Nixon was a conniving, manipulative guy, but he knew what he was doing.. . . Helping Israel in the seven day war?
That was The Six-Day War, Larry, and Nixon was a private citizen at the time, one who was given just about no chance to win the White House the following year. The French were Israel’s prime arms supplier, and they attacked one of our ships, the USS Liberty, and killed a lot of our sailors, an incident that is still shrouded in controversy.
I also remember Nixon launching secret bombing campaigns against Laos and Cambodia, as well as invading both of them, and turning them into charnel houses. And a coup he engineered in Chile that replaced one of the few bona fide democracies in South America (perhaps the only one) with a murderous dictatorship.
If Anthony Summers is to be believed, Nixon (in additional to being a serial liar and a heavy drinker who was prone to hit the sauce at times of stress) was under the care of a NY psychiatrist for many years, and took the most powerful psychotropic drugs then available while he was VP and POTUS. Hell, even Hitler was capable of acting rationally in international affairs, brilliantly manipulating the various great and small European powers against each other to get what he wanted until he finally went too far in his threats with Poland. And even then he pulled off an extraordinary coup with the Hitler/Stalin pact on the eve of WWII. Lunatics are quite capable of acting sane, the trouble is they inevitably revert to type.
Kos trying to remain relevant:
This is WRT his site traffic
via Dr. Tight as a Tick* in Connecticut
Yep. The political news climate isn’t favorable for sustained interest in Dailykos. What they need is maybe a really big story involving Democratic Politics going on somewhere. That might do it…
How very Butt-Holacious. LOL. 😀
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=sm8dailykos&r=36
*”Tight as a Tick” re: DemFromCT (c) Marisacat 2007
sigh, just go home, WE will be thankful.
Here I thought Lantos was dead all this time.
You mean that corpse was actually alive in Congress?
btw, paradox did a FP at TLC the other day on general traffic across the Blahgs… down he said.
But it has been down generally, or mostly down, since Fall of 2005. Kos even admitted it at the time…Bowers had a post up about it at the time and Kos commented in the thread.
I mean WHERE IS THE DEM PARTY FAITHFUL?? [LOL] Most important election evah!
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they wound him up and he ranted. 8) Somwehre between dead and alive, is my guess.
it rides at the top of Marc Ambinder, apparently Obama has ads at Drudge.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/
wooo hoo. grist for the baby blahger mill.
a little farther down a synopsis of the Obama closing with a bit of a tape of it. SOunds like it is on to nonsense time..
It’s always the most important election ever. If kos actually believed that, he wouldn’t have booted all of the activists who are actually out there doing something to change things. The other day someone on the FP posted a list of kossacks who would be on the ground during the Iowa and NH caucuses – a pittance – a handful. You’d think that out of those (imaginary) 145,000+ kossacks, more than Elise and her fan club would be in Iowa. Absolutely pathetic. Yes, they’re all so “involved”, it’s just flipping amazing, isn’t it?
Maybe traffic has droppd after the purging of actual progressives and others tire of being reminded of their TU status. Kos’s lame-brained opines most likely don’t pull people in. But it makes sense that Kos would rush to be embraced by the MSM, especially after he bragged about hanging up on requests to be on TV.
from Ben Smith at politico (full text):
If she stumbles badly in Iowaaaahhhhhhhhhh it could get brutal.
Families vs “significant others”
Why can’t people just say, “away from the people you love”.
MCat, no. 16,
True, but only because if he’d done it in, say, the UK, Canada, South Africa, etc., their legislative bodies are known by other names.
Looking past that little bit of word mongering, it’s a ludicrous comment. Did no Holocaust survivor manage to get an education and raise a family in Israel?
Henry Kissinger has occasionally run variations on this theme, once when Nixon named him Secretary of State, and HK said something like “it is only in the United States that a penniless refugee could be standing next to its President as his S of S.” Yeah, Henry, it’s not too likely Your Beloved Dick would have traveled to (say) New Zealand to find his top diplomat, funny how that works, isn’t it?
JJB
oh I am so tired of their shit, from Lantos to Nancy to Feinstein to obama to Hillary to Edwards to all of the spouses and children.
This mongering that “only in America” can anyone make it. Lantos is always a fucking creep… I will be glad to be rid of him… I wonder if Jackie Spiers (who had said she will mount a run) gave him the willies. She works the hustings hard, from what I have seen over the years since Jonestown (she was with Leo Ryan on the tarmac).
GMAFB: only in America….
In fact these days people SHOULD go where there is health care, above all else.
Happy New Year… they seem so intent on killing us all. From their blast proof bunkers, I would assume…
Hillary will be on Letterman tonight…
WOW! CHuck Todd must’ve just gotten a briefcase of Cashfrom the Clintons.
His lead off of Matthews pitch on Hardball was pure gush…
Holy shit.
centrist boy… iirc his wife worked on the Kaine campaign.
But hell they are all centrists… just a matter of who gets powerrrrrr……….
Ambinder (full text):
Dana Milbank has a good look at the Shitegeist in Iowa
But hell they are all centrists… just a matter of who gets powerrrrrr……….
Oh c’mon now. Everybody knows, now that kos has shared his Wise Thoughts™ on the subject, that there is no such thing as a “centrist”. There is no “centre”. Repeat after me while you click your heels together.
What a snotty little boy:
More from the boy blogger – pot meet kettle:
Look in the mirror, kos.
(What the hell is “ticky tack”?)
Vintage Dennis Kucinich on Tucker Carlson. He (quite correctly) argues that the Democratic Party’s tried to rig the Iowa caucuses (and I’m assuming he’s talking about Tom Harkin) but he just doens’t make it clear enough to let anybody who isn’t already in the know understand it.
That’s the problem with Dennis. He’s not an elder statesmen people hang on for his every word. He’s an insurgent. He has to SHOUT out what he wants. He needs to say “THIS PROCESS IS CORRUPT STAY OUT OF IT” not “oh it sucks but vote for Obama”.
That’s the appeal of Gravel and Paul. They’re both your basic crazy old men who shout out the truth and embarass everybody.
You know, if Edwards does crappy in Iowa and drops out, he could destroy Hillary. It’s clear that Edwards + Obama to a certain extent is the anti-Hillary vote. United, it could beat her.
Amnesty?
Related, from Proceed at your own risk:
Does that mean he’s going on vacation til December? (One can only hope.)
Didn’t he endorse Dean, Kerry, Warner, Webb etc etc or were my eyes deceiving me at the time?
Didn’t he endorse Dean, Kerry, Warner, Webb etc etc or were my eyes deceiving me at the time?
Mark Who? Who was that immensely popular governer of a large borderline red state with a huge bankroll and organizations in 50 states that Kos as supporting again then suddenly dropped out?
What was his name again?
And what was he doing in those pictures Hillary has in that safe deposit box?
I will never endorse
Definitely the party line for Big Box Bloggers. But then why have they consciously turned their sites over to inane chit chat about the primary horse race by discouraging debate on impeachment, the war, the Patriot Act, and other real issues?
41. They endorse The Establishment.
They ditched their own traffic for THE PARTY. Had they been yelling bloody murder about impeachment and civil liberties all that traffic that went to Ron Paul would be going to them.
Instead, their traffic is static the week before the Iowa primaries.
I picture Iowans sitting around their dinner tables tonight, suddenly realizing that they need to read the last 800 dailykos diaries, each diarist solemnly issuing his/her important endorsement, in order to make a decision about whom to caucus for.
I’ve only seen Iowa from the window of a Greyhound Bus.
Nebraska has better rest stops.
LOL, Kos endorses the entire Democratic Party, he gets more ads that way. It’s all about $$ now that he jumped on the big Dem gravy train and made his site for Dem loyalists only and not about progressive politics.
#42. But never fear, later they’ll find a way to blame it all on the feminists, the undocumented laborers, etc.
#43. melvin, I can’t believe my earthworm bin recommended you as a landscaping consultant. You’re a bad person.
ooops got catnip out of Moderation, up at
commment 35
sorry for the delay!
kos pissed in clonecone’s Corn Flakes™, apparently. Shouldn’t the troll hunter be giving himself a troll rating for dissing The Master? Those people (and I use that term lightly) confuse me.
Yes, catnip desperately wants to break out of moderation. I think I’ll dye my hair purple.
49 Recced by Elise! The world is turned upside down.
Olbermann on Huckabee. I Have to admit Keith has a good sense of comic timing. How many ways can you call Huckabee a moron in 5 minutes and not quite admit you’re saying it. Brilliant.
I think Elise skipped her regular dose of orange kool-aid over the holidays.
P.S.: People who are that fucking attached to a presidential candidate need therapy.
aw, so the whole troll-hunting crew that grew themselves on top comments is disillusioned. may they all wrestle in muddy meringue.
Banned from dk, again. Is there a record?
may they all wrestle in muddy meringue.
That’s a waste of muddy meringue. I’m sure Elise could find a pile of pig manure in Iowa that would do the trick.
Eventually even the most naive will realize that dk is not there to further their positions. Elise is late, but by no means the last.
inspired by Marisacat above, I have something up at LSF: Shuttering the Window.
Is the muddy meringue like a mud pie with meringues added ? Because I would much rather endorse that than anybody running for Mayor of Orangeville.
Paul and Kucinich on Bill Moyers Friday.
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Move to Impeach Cheney Gains Support in Congress
Glen Ford at BAR finally lets it rip on Obama.
But Francis Holland says I’m racist if I don’t vote for Obama.
OOOO-Boy! We sure are in proud company:
to be honest I think FLH runs a scam.
Like most he is really for Hillary. The rest is salad dressing. And he gets a charge out of some of the crap he pushes…
found this via Chris Floyd, John Pilger goes after Labour:
it is just so hard to keep up with all those rules…
MSNBC’s First Read:
Zogby final, from TPM Election Central:
Today’s Zogby tracking poll in Iowa, the final daily Zogby poll for the caucus, makes for an astounding outcome if it turns out to be true. Here are the numbers, as compared to yesterday’s tracking poll:
Democrats:
Obama 31% (+3)
Edwards 27% (+1)
Clinton 24% (-4)
Richardson 7% (+0)
Biden 5% (+1)
Republicans:
Huckabee 31% (+3)
Romney 25% (+1)
Thompson 11% (-1)
McCain 10% (-2)
Paul 10% (+1)
Giuliani 6% (-1)
Sorry for the horserace rubbernecking. Here in Jersey unless you’re of the Saddle River set it’snot like you can expect to ride anyone of them anywhere,not even for a trot out by one of our SuperFund sites…
Anyways, Tweety on Morning Joe sees Obama by a good margin.
Says the son of Kenya especially with the country in such turmoil will send a message around the world, says it will be the international story that U.S. does a 180 from Bush….. the military bands by this logic I suppose will be “Firin’ UP” Kumbaya instead of Hail to The Chief”from here on out…
Yet Matthews had an interesting frame, an old saw really, that Hill, after all of her media saturation, the familiarity of D’s, “the people who know her best, then say No” — “rejected by 2/3 of the Democratic Party” will be the narrative…
Not exactly the higher math, cliche for ALL of the also-rans
Bronzed on the Prairie, but…………..WORKS FOR ME!!! 😀…LOL
FWIW, I see a thin JE, BO, then HRC…Edwards claiming a mandate while looking for bus fare, Obama bitching about winter break and college football, & Hillary closed-circuit-teleconferencing with AIPAC…
Whoops double clutchI typed a conclusion about the spin on the second one.
LOL a slash and burn between JE and BO is fine with me.
And I am sure the R have a couple operatives en route to Kenya (or back and debriefing) for a reprise of that visit BO made to the old homestake. The Dem party plumped it, very Fitzmas, but there were trickles the real story was a tad more non plussed.
hmm both Biden and Dodd have said no deals.
and, per Ben Smith, Kucinich is not even out and about hawking his book. Earlier on I thought had sharpened his message over 4 years ago, but it all really deflated.
LOL Not that it, like, you know, [gum pop] matters.
BHHM-your Jeanne Dixon moment is today. “Before the polls, before Bob Novak..BooHooHooMan.”
funny diary up at dk:
“Jerome Armstrong On Suicide Watch As His Poll Shows Obama Up
by alexm
Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:47:26 AM PST
I know that its been a bit confusing to the blogosphere to keep track of the constant moving of goal posts that is Jerome Armstrong trying to pretend he is not shilling for Edwards and using mydd as the official Edwards campaign blog but I think at this point I hope someone is keeping sharp objects and prescription drugs away from him as his last straw (The laughable Zogby poll) has just abandoned him.”
fwiw
ARG last poll Iowahhhhhhhhhh
IOWA
Democrats Dec
16-19 Dec
20-23 Dec
26-28
Dec 31-
Jan 2
Biden 8% 8% 5% 8%
Clinton 29% 34% 31% 34%
Dodd 3% 2% 3% 2%
Edwards 18% 20% 24% 21%
Gravel – – – 1%
Kucinich 2% 2% 1% 1%
Obama 25% 19% 24% 25%
Richardson 7% 5% 5% 6%
Undecided 8% 10% 7% 3%
According to Martin, the entire blogosphere is backing Edwards.
That is, if you think “the blogosphere” consists of him, kos, Jerome Armstrong and whoever else is on the Townhouse list.
(Put that beverage down):
With people on your blogs who disagree with your so-called “wisdom”, right?
Btw, when is the last time a senator won the presidency again?
From the Dauphin:
I kid of course, re my comment, only half the joke though where markos says “anyone can win it” ….Anyone that is who predicates their candidacy on protecting the baseline of an Imperial Military, while deferring to the Bemedaled to get a cut of the Budget…
The methodology of Martin. Meet “the blogosphere”:
Please Delete DickWeed….(0 /-654)
lol BHHM.
catnip!!!!
LMAO!!!!!
Fighters! just like their MA’AN harry ried!!!
liberalcatnip, no. 79,
Martin has a genius for self-parody. You have to spend an awfully long time with your head in your lower intestines to be able to write something like this:
So in other words, “I’m taking Style over Substance. Or something. And if you can’t figure out what I’m saying, I’ll quote somebody who actually says that we’re not opposed to Obama on ‘aesthetic grounds,’ but because we don’t like his political style, which means we’re opposed to him on . . . aesthetic grounds.”
I love that line about “crushing the Republican Party down to a stump.” These people couldn’t crush a paper cup.
Which for no reason reminds me of how irritated I was by that NY Times piece on Steve Gilliard. What a lot of notice for someone who was, at best, a marginal figure, even in the blogosphere, which is comprised of many marginal figures with delusions of grandeur (present company excepted, needless to say). Kind of a sad one too, from what I read, which was not surprising. I always thought that behind that swaggering bluster there lurked a shutaway with an active fantasy life, and after seeing of couple of pictures of him, my suspicions were confirmed (knowing what he looked like also made his writing about sexual matters even creepier than they first seemed).
Speaking of self parody, Reuters, the NY Times, George W. Bush, and Condi’s mouthpiece at the State Department have collaborated on what will someday be recognized as the defining masterpiece of the genre. If Postmodern explication is your thing (it’s not mine generally, but I don’t see how else you can deal with this piece), you can lose yourself for hours in this:
If Bush and Rice had been senior crew members on the Titanic, they’d have spent the time between the iceberg collision and the ship’s final plunge to the ocean floor supervising their subordinates in keeping the furniture from smashing into the ship’s sides and picking up the china, cutlery, food, crystal, and beverages that fell on the floor.
As usual, the only real news in that story is what wasn’t mentioned, i.e., Condi Rice, the top diplomat of the most powerful nation in the history of the human race, apparently is no longer willing to show her face in public as the world goes to hell around her (and us). She’s literally phoning it in, and having a subordinate relate her doings.
catnip comment at 83 was rescued from Moderation…
sorry! for the delay..
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liberalcatnip, no. 80,
Btw, when is the last time a senator won the presidency again?
JFK, 1960. Prior to that, you have to go back to Warren Harding.
You’re much better off holding no office at all. Since 1950, it’s gone 4 times to men who were private citizens at the time of their election – Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan.
They are so full of shit they ALL are for Hilliary — every last one of these lying, bought and paid for “progressives”…. ever since Bubba’s Whites Only Fish Fry in Harlem.
What they are doing now is setting the stage for Hilliary to shift her caucus goers to Edwards… there is no way in hell she is going to walk away from Iowa with an Obama win.
hey hey D Throat…
welcome back frm the deep….
8)
It’s positivel;y balmy in Iowahhhh….
people will be skateboarding to caucus…
LOL
around 32 and sunny…
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Hilliary became vulnerable the second the Dems won both the House and the Senate back. She couldn’t use the “Boogey Man Defense” that had shuffled Kerry to the nomination… people are more at ease and now that the “house” is not on fire and flames somewhat under control…(even though the Dems in DC refuse to pick up the fire extinguishers)… PEOPLE WANT CHANGE…. Hilliary ain’t “change she is part and parcel of the problem.
Hilliary suffers from the same dillusion as Joe Trippi. They both think that they are smarter than the ones that brought them to the dance… only to find out that once they go “solo”… their egos where bigger than their talents.
Hilliary needs to sit thru CNN’s “True Believers” again… Joe Trippi was supposed to be the Pied Piper to leads away dean’s minions to more acceptable pastures… That didn’t go quite as he had planned…. now did it… he got a few white boys to follow him into the woods and play at being “movement leaders”…. then he went a took a big check from the networks.
It is sad and embarrassing that they insist that they are a progressive movement when they have ushered in some of the most extreme right wing Dems in decades, they tampered down dissent on ALL PROGRESSIVE ISSUES be it that they were too icky, retro and/or did not make good strategic sense for their pocket books.
Now they are whining that Obama didn’t reach out to them… YES, the same white boys who could not find more than 10 Black people in all of Chicago to come and fete Kos. If they were so blatantly dishonest it would be funny.
I hope and pray that this IS the end to this little “movement of White boyz”…. good riddance.
“Just when I thought I was out…. they pull me back in” ….by the massive lies and gross dishonesty of these “progressives”
Something is in moderation
“They banned and took away ratings from “every” group of candidate supporters – not because it was necessary, but because they wanted to appear “fair”. They took ratings away from people who had never abused them because they don’t pay enough attention to what actually goes on. They banned people who were threatened and allowed people to stay who were doing the threatening.”
Elise, please provide proof of these outrageous smears against DK community admins and members. If people were banned, they probably brought it on themselves. Please delete this post. Read the FAQ.
And Kucinich just lost his brother two weeks ago, so you can’t blame the man for losing steam.
oh I realise he lost his brother… but I would just suggest he not do this again in 2012.
To me both runs look highly quixotic. And I believe anyone who wants to should run, say what they want and with almost any viability be included in debates at least til Super Tuesday, certainly…. Nor did Nader in any way “lose” anything for the Dems, etc…
The overall trajectory has not been great. And what I see, both times he does a caucus deal that feeds the party – or this go round, at least a large faction within the party.
D. Throat, no. 94,
It is sad and embarrassing that they insist that they are a progressive movement when they have ushered in some of the most extreme right wing Dems in decades . . .
Haven’t you heard? “Extreme right wing” is the new Progressive!
And in a country where people to the far-right of an already very conservative political party like Gerald Ford, George H.W. Bush, and Barry Goldwater can be called “moderates,” or “libertarians” by people with no memory of what these people actually stood for, it will be ever thus.
Kucinich is what the establishment Dems want the left to be seen as: A kooky lune…. who rants and raves but at the end of the day gets in line.
Not ONCE in the 2004 election did Kucinich attack Lieberman… but saved all of his venom to do the establishments bidding by attacking the only other anti war candidate Dean. Kucinich is a fraud and will always be one. Yes, he says the right things… but only if he knows they are ineffective.
His true colors came out when he had his people caucus for a pre-unrepentant “I voted for the war” Edwards.
BTW did I mention I have no one in this race… if Obama wins all it means it that now the Daily machine will be “the Boss”… but act the same as the old “boss” ie Al From and the DLC.
Edwards went from a chicken hawk to Che overnight… they are all liars.
its the old conservative pro war pro apartheid (oh they use soft language and install regression with a prog face) Dem party… with none of the liberal factions really viable.
Tho they, the much more liberal than they realise they are base, troops out and votes for the conservatives.
Basically it is a Christian Democrat party. Indentured as handmaiden to the Republican party.
IMO.
One reason I am gone, I know they are totally disinterested in my sort, but for my vote.
Actually, rethink that… the party really should be called:
Christian Nationalist party.
Drop Democrat, small or large D
Well they are gearing up for something… why else would the majority of the so called “Democratic” bloggers now officially and PUBLICALLY classify themselves as “Libertarian”
It is also no coincidence that Huckabees’s taking points mimic to the tee Rahm Emanuel’s “The Plan” for flat taxes…. makes a nice little segue way for all of these newly minted “libertarians” like Kos and “Conman” Armstrong
Bing Freakin Oh Lawdy Hallelujah –
They are so full of shit they ALL are for Hilliary — every last one of these lying, bought and paid for “progressives”…. ever since Bubba’s Whites Only Fish Fry in Harlem. – D. Throat
Basically it is a Christian Democrat party. Indentured as handmaiden to the Republican party.
Actually the Christian Democrats in Europe were handmaidens to the American Democratic (and Republican under Eisenhower) party.
Welfare state at home and complete deference to the USA in the Cold War.
So yes, if you substitute “Americans” for “Republicans” it’s a good analogy. But there’s one difference Adenauer and the Xtian Democrats were no fools. They knew that if they deferred to the USA they’d get a lot of American $$$ on reasonable terms.
The Democrats now on the other hand are deferring to the Republicans and they’re not getting shit.
new thread…
LINK
the old joke…
BOAC the old name for the UK airline.
Bring over American Cash.