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And the winner is… 26 January 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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The only tension or mystery is the point spread….  and what some of the spin will be.

Results will be posted at the SC Dem Party site:

http://www.scdp.org/primary_results/

From TPM EC:

South Carolina Exit Polls: Even Hillary Voters Say She Unfairly Attacked Obama

The Associated Press has some interesting exit poll data that sheds a bit of light on which candidate is seen by voters as the aggressor in the South Carolina race and which is seen as the victim.

The AP finds that Obama voters are decidedly more aggrieved than Hillary ones are. Not only that, but large percentages of Hillary voters say she attacked him unfairly:

After the contentious Democratic debate Monday night, three in four Obama voters said Clinton had attacked Obama unfairly and slightly fewer than half accused their own candidate of attacking Clinton unfairly. Two-thirds of Clinton voters said Obama attacked her unfairly and nearly as many said she attacked him unfairly.

Meanwhile, the AP gives us this rather inconclusive data about Bill’s impact on the race:

Nearly six in 10 of those voting said former President Clinton’s campaigning in the state was an important factor for them, including a quarter who called it very important.

Right, Bill’s campaigning was important in shaping voter attitudes, but how exactly? Did it help Hillary or hurt her? Hopefully we’ll get a bit more data on this later.

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UPDATE!!  Read all about it!  Whatever IT is….

LOL Fox spills some beans… and before the polls close – From Halperin’s The Page:

With South Carolina Polls Open, Fox Tells All

Per the network/AP early exit poll results:

African-Americans

Obama 81%, Clinton 17%, Edwards 1%

African-American women

Obama 82%, Clinton 17%, Edwards 0%

Whites

Edwards 39%, Clinton 36%, Obama 24%

Edwards winning white men, Clinton white women.

Economy clear top issue. The Page, 6:40 PM

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As for me, I just spread the Joy.  Or whatever it is…

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1. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

Obama Backers Drop Hints About Edwards

“Illinois Democrats close to Sen. Barack Obama are quietly passing the word that John Edwards will be named attorney general in an Obama administration,” according to Robert Novak.

The appointment of Edwards “would please not only the union leaders supporting him for president but organized labor in general. The unions relish the prospect of an unequivocal labor partisan as the nation’s top legal officer.”

2. marisacat - 26 January 2008

I read that in Novak… and really wondered. I can see it being rumored or dropped/hinted to Edwards. Cannot see it happening…

But who knows. I think he would be lousy. he comes from a very very narrow background.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

hell, it could just be something they’re floating out there to keep Edwards in the race, to siphon off white votes from Billary.

None of it matters, not really. We’re still screwed … it’s just a moderately entertaining soap opera.

4. marisacat - 26 January 2008

I even wonder the real target in using him to “hold” white votes. If they are siphoned off her NOW, where do they go later. it’s debatable.

Over my head, that is for certain…

Who knows.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

Ambition, Power and the Clintons

Mr. Clinton was so fearful of taking on Orrin Hatch, the Republican Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that he cleared most judicial appointments with the Utah Senator. He even failed to put forth the nomination of sub-cabinet level official, Peter Edelman, whose credentials were superb to the federal appeals court.

Mr. Edelman resigned on September 12th, 1996. In a memo to his staff, he said, “I have devoted the last 30-plus years to doing whatever I could to help in reducing poverty in America. I believe the recently enacted welfare bill goes in the opposite direction.”

Excoriated by the noted author and columnist, Anthony Lewis, for his dismal record on civil liberties, the man from Hope set the stage for the Bush demolition of this pillar of our democracy.

To justify his invasion of Iraq, Bush regularly referred in 2002-2003 to Clinton’s bombing of Iraq and making “regime change” explicit U.S. policy.

But it was Clinton’s insistence on UN-backed economic sanctions in contrast to just military embargo, against Iraq, during his term in office. These sanctions on civilians, a task force of leading American physicians estimated, took half a million Iraqi children’s lives.

Who can forget CBS’s Sixty Minutes correspondent Leslie Stahl’s tour through Baghdad’s denuded hospitals filled with crying, dying children? She then interviewed Mr. Clinton’s Secretary of State, Madeline Albright and asked whether these sanctions were worth it. Secretary Albright answered in the affirmative.

Bill Clinton is generally viewed as one smart politician, having been twice elected the President, helped by lackluster Robert Dole, having survived the Lewinsky sex scandal, lying under oath about sex, and impeachment. When is it all about himself, he is cunningly smart.

But during his two-term triangulating Presidency, he wasn’t smart enough to avoid losing his Party’s control over Congress, or many state legislatures and Governorships.

It has always been all about him, Now he sees another admission ticket to the White House through his wife, Hillary Clinton. EIGHT MORE YEARS without a mobilized, demanding participating citizenry is just that-EIGHT MORE YEARS.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

it’s debatable.

Oh, absolutely, but all of this “strategy” is being pushed by the same old hacks, thinking in the same old “conventional wisdom”.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

Dramatic Voices of Dissent: Celebrities Film Zinn’s ‘The People Speak’

To prevent any viewer at the Boston sessions from missing the ultimate activist point of The People Speak, Frederick Douglass, via Danny Glover, is given the last word from his 1857 speech West India Emancipation: “If there is no struggle there is no progress. … Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”

8. marisacat - 26 January 2008

LOL ONE minute before the polls close:

CNN projects Obama wins South Carolina Democratic primary

Posted: 06:59 PM ET

Oh COME on, be courageous, pick a point spread.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008
10. marisacat - 26 January 2008

et tu Brute:

Looking at the exit polls

Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:03 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Primaries
From MSNBC’s Norah O’Donnell and Adam Verdugo

The South Carolina Democratic primary has been a bitter, hard-fought contest with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama taking jabs at each other in Monday’s televised debate.

In the exit polls, we asked voters in this primary if the candidates were attacking each other unfairly. Fifty-six percent of those voting so far think Obama attacked Clinton unfairly, and while that is a high number, more people thought Clinton unfairly attacked Obama — 70%.

The Clintons have been accused of playing the race card in this contest. We do see some potential fallout for the Clintons in the African-American community:

74% of African-American voters think that Clinton unfairly attacked Obama. But when we look at the same question among white voters, a comparable number thought Clinton unfairly attacked Obama — 68%.

Also worth mentioning, a majority of the voters — 56% — said that Bill Clinton’s campaigning was important to their vote today.

[yes thanks Norah, we had caught that last figure, over and over and over and over… — Mcat]

11. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

If a couple of nanoseconds’ worth of butt cheeks can cost a network millions in FCC “decency” fines, what should they charge these cablemeisters for blurting election results prematurely?

12. marisacat - 26 January 2008

LOL

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

BASED ON EXIT POLLS, ABC NEWS PROJECTS THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA WILL WIN THE SOUTH CAROLINA DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, CLINTON LEADING EDWARDS IN RACE FOR SECOND PLACE

http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

13. marisacat - 26 January 2008

and what’s more, from what I read, the bitching over the butt is that it was aired in a Western or Mt zone at 9PM, rather than the sacrosanct Adult Ten PM…

GMAFB!!

14. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

NYT is showing this, with 0% reporting:
Vote Percentage
Barack Obama 507 70.0%
Hillary Rodham Clinton 130 18.0
John Edwards 85 11.7
Bill Richardson 2 0.3

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

MSNBC just called it a “rout”.

16. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

WaPo map shows 4 counties reporting, with

O 70%
C 21%
E 9%

Counties are Dillon, Fairfield, Saluda, and Bamberg.

17. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

NYT:

Barack Obama 1,459 63.3% To be determined
Hillary Rodham Clinton 563 24.4
John Edwards 269 11.7
Dennis J. Kucinich 7 0.3
Bill Richardson 4 0.2
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 3 0.1

MSNBC just called the silver for Hillary.

18. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

AP now sez:

The first fragmentary returns showed Obama with 57 percent of the vote, Clinton gaining 29 percent and Edwards at 13 percent.

19. marisacat - 26 January 2008

7:38 PM ET RESULTS

Full results » S.C. » Democrats Vote %

Obama 6,010 51%
Clinton 4,014 34
Edwards 1,720 15

2% reporting

20. marisacat - 26 January 2008

The SC Dem Party link is not even bothering to post county or district returns, much less early statewide.

21. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

LOL – Talk Left was trying some funky live-blogging software for the SC results, and it doesn’t seem to be panning out.

Transferring data from widgetserver

Armando and Jeralynn are being forced to fart around in the comment thread, since the “platform” is falling through.

22. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

NYT:

Candidate Vote % Delegates
Barack Obama 18,571 51.2% To be determined
Hillary Rodham Clinton 10,618 29.3
John Edwards 6,901 19.0
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 60 0.2
Bill Richardson 50 0.1
Dennis J. Kucinich 47 0.1
Christopher J. Dodd 9 0.0
Mike Gravel 8 0.0
7% reporting | Updated 7:50 PM ET

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

Edwards has to get at least 15% in each district to get any delegates … if he falls short then they go to somebody else.

24. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Edwards does look to be winning some precincts in some of the northern counties, where the sons and daughters of the mills are supposed to live. So far, he’s leading in Pickens, Cherokee, and Oconee.

You can mouse over counties for totals here.

25. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Scratch Cherokee from that list . . . Obama pulled ahead.

26. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

The SC Dem Party link is not even bothering to post county or district returns, much less early statewide.

They’re starting to show some numbers there now.

27. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Fineman saying (I think) independent of Novak report that Edwards is sounding out deal with Obama

28. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Gawd Bill is giving an intro like he’s the candidate

29. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Mithter Bill………….

30. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Why is Bill Clinton live and talking about himself on CNN? Anybody know?

31. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Charlie Crist endorsed McCain.

They Page says “they hugged”

aw

32. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

This is a big boner he’s making here, no pun intended. I just call em like I see em. Gratefully, most often.

33. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

God KO is cutting away from the Big Dawg. LOL

34. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

McCain is verrrry huggable, MCat! All the politicians agree.

Bill is going Whole Hog. (Who does he think he is, Gore? Bono?)

This is practically sabotage.

35. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Mithter Bill is a nut.

People are dying to say it out loud wihtout qualification. IMO

I am sorry he is such a big show. LOL I suggest putting some camera crews on Michelle frankly. too little coverage.

36. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Wolf had to fade him out too!

Honk honk honk in the background, to the break.

37. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Wolf had to fade him out too!

Barking and honking in the background, to the break.

38. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

I know you guys are picking up on this,
Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg to endorse Obama.
but remem a few min ago for MSNBCers that KO and some other Head were saying Teddy Kennedy would probably “have to” step in and make an edorse. Yeh rolling eyeballs too, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Caroline K’s endorse is followed by a Teddy plug for HillBill.

If he does, it shows the craven-ness bare fuckin naked.
Even f he comes out and tries the nice nice, it’s bullshit.
This all shows the divisive exploitive and unserviceable nature of
Establishment Dem Politics….

39. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Mush! Onward!

Bill Clinton moves on to another campaign battleground

Posted: 07:56 PM ET

(CNN) — Bill Clinton’s impact on his wife’s presidential campaign is still being hotly debated, with exit polls out of South Carolina suggesting that his presence on the trail may have been a net negative for Hillary Clinton at the polls.

But as votes are still being counted in South Carolina, the former president is already stumping for his wife in a Super Tuesday state.

This evening, he appeared at an event in Independence, Missouri. The state, which neighbors Barack Obama’s home state of Illinois, is expected to be a major battleground on February 5.

Barack Obama has already been endorsed by two of Missouri’s most high-profile Democratic women – Sen. Claire McCaskill and former Sen. Jean Carnahan, the widow of highly popular Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan.

The state’s largest paper, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, has also endorsed Obama. In a Sunday editorial posted to the paper’s Web site Saturday night, it pointed to what it called “Clinton fatigue.”

The paper’s editorial board also backed John McCain in Missouri’s Republican primary vote.

40. marisacat - 26 January 2008

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as does the MO endorsements. Carnahand widder, as well as her worthless son — and McCaskill are dyed in teh wool DLC (McCaskill is wary of homestate pork and earmarking, otherwise, on target).

Most of this is nasty party splits.

I suggest they sharpen their teeth all of them.

41. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Really IB if I was a Clinton handler, not that there ever was one the first thing I’d do before blowing my brains out in existential despair is order a big ole stage hook or a taser. Maybe a case of Panties to make a pathway leading out the door and to the Limo….

42. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

LOL Scarborough.

43. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Ambinder earlier today said he heard Teddy will stay on the fence. What that means, if accurate… who knows.

As in Clyburn was so on teh fence, so neutral… LOL

44. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

CNN playing with graphs and charts now. Sounds like some big urban numbers coming in huge (60%+) for Obama. But winning all over the state.

I suggest putting some camera crews on Michelle frankly. too little coverage.

Absolutely!

45. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Breaking Bill Clinton is still holding the Audience HOSTAGE! LOL!

46. ms_xeno - 26 January 2008

Hey, All. Feverishly generating card mock-ups at the moment. Otherwise I’d be doing more than just lurking. Glad to see the usual faces, of course.

The Distant Ocean seems a bit of a tad skeptical that Obama’s peaceable sing-a-longs are going to do much for the Palestinians.

Plus, for no particular reason, Naoko Terai and some friends jamming on “Hold That Tiger !”

Carry on. :)

47. marisacat - 26 January 2008

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ohhhh Mithter Obama is scared of the Palestinians. Amazing, that could screw some of the vote for him, waaaay back here at “home”. Er… in the Homeland.

The whole thing is such a sick joke.

Listneing to JE deny he is a wanna be kingmaker. Or queen pusher. or whatever.

yeah right, it was all about the peeeeepuhls.

48. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Darn. I was out getting groceries ahead of the Big Blizzard rolling in tomorrow. Hillary (or should I say Bill?) was roundly trounced.

49. marisacat - 26 January 2008

working hard for a bounce:

Live from Obama HQ

Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:57 PM by Domenico Montanaro

Filed Under: 2008, Obama
From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro

Dozens and dozens of members of the media, yours truly included, were in line being cleared by the Secret Service watching events unfold on a big screen, projected backwards, as MSNBC came up and Obama was declared the winner. The breadth and quickness of the victory was surprising to most everyone here. “Really?” one reporter said. “Calling it already? Wow.”

The room here at the Columbia Convention Center could fit three full-size basketball courts, and it would take four or five 6-feet-tall people standing on each other’s shoulders to reach the ceiling. The room even has the feel of a sporting event. Tons of media, bleachers (called risers here and in TV land) on all four sides of the room, and even, yes, a full marching band

In measuring the fervor of this crowd, which is not really starting to fill in, as Hillary Clinton came up on the screen recently, overwhelming boos came up from the Obama faithful. The fervor is palpable. “Ready to Go! Fired up!” and Go-bama, go” chants are begining to come to a full boil and rise, which is now being joined in by cymbals and bass drum. One gets the sense that this place will really get loud when the candidate takes the stage. This could really be a knock-down, drag-out fight for the nomination complete with complicated delegate math. Stay tuned.

50. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

BHHM – LOL – Maybe the Bible Belt would prefer a beribboned shepherdess crook, but I say give Hill a broken whisky bottle, a behind-the-bar rifle, or a big silver gong . . . saloon set props for Barbara Stanwyck, per Marisacat’s .

I’m thinking Hill could lose some working women’s votes if she doesn’t snap to pretty soon and manage that Big Blowhard Hubby of hers.

51. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

8:39 p.m. | Obama Picks Up a Kennedy Endorsement Caroline Kennedy endorses Mr. Obama in an New York Times op-ed called “A President Like My Father,” which is up on our Web site now.

52. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

The reason the C’s are monopolizing the mike is to blow it off Obama off a live Vic Speech on the West Coast Evening News. Obam was supposed to go at 9P EST … Not a bad time to catch a few eyballs out west before Heading out for an evening of West Coast DEBAUCHERY.

Hello! [ Saturday Night Fever Here in the East]

LOL.

53. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

54% / 27% /19% with 85% reporting on the CNN ticker.

A pundit is decribing this as a grievous event for Hillary, heading into Feb. 5.

54. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

In bigger news: Disabled spy satellite threatens Earth

Now, back to the election.

55. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Abortion dr leaving dkos. Isn’t he the one who seemed sane at first and then changed?

56. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

I noticed the NYT was signed Caroline Kennedy.
— if Clintons People even bite on it at all ,I can almost guarantee they will refer to her exclusively as: Caroline Schlossberg, or if they chose to use two surnames it will be “Caroline Schlossberg, Who?”

57. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Hi, ms x!

Bobblehead predicts Obama will go big for a battle in NY and NJ.

Wouldn’t surprise me. For the first time in ages, various states all over the place are actually getting a chance to pipe up a little, and do their bit in calibrating everybody’s “invincible” Almighty Mo.

54 – Duly noted. Will watch out for falling spies.

58. marisacat - 26 January 2008

well from the thread where he SHUNNED, and used that word, Marie and other WOMEN who dared to take issue with his slobber for Hillary, Yeah what a shock he is leaving over fake partisan operative politics.

Good riddance.

59. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Wouldn’t surprise me. For the first time in ages, various states all over the place are actually getting a chance to pipe up a little, and do their bit in calibrating everybody’s “invincible” Almighty Mo.

But there’s going to be major league GOTV campaigns by the unions and democratic machines in both states. 1199 will get their people out and senior citizens will be carted to the polls by the truckload. Look for major airtime for anything Obama’s said abot the social security crisis.

60. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Ooh – CNN predicating delegate-by-delegate trench warfare. Democrats are wildly motivated in this election, they say!

Obama up.

61. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

This speechify by Obam is good so far.

Well staged Bright Gymnasium not typical Hotel Lounge

Hillary Bad bad bad for being literally “in flight”

62. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Stop with the victim shit. Geez.

63. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Actually very good speechify

64. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Anybody know if he has a – never mind just saw the teleprompt.
second question who writes his stuff? Good picks whoever thay are..
His debate preps should be fired though…

65. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Isn’t this John Edwards’ stump speech?

66. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Let us all agree America; It’s about us killin Muslims.

67. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

No back in to Morning In Blah Blah

68. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Now* back into the yada, sorry…

69. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Reliably big cheers for a war that should never have been authorized, though. Every time I’ve heard it.

70. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

He’s says it’s not about race and then he brings up a woman who worked for Strom Thurmond? That’s what I don’t like about his speechifying (among other things). He’s disengenuous.

71. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

We’re not sure where we’re goin’ but by golly, we’ll make good time!

72. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

This land is your land, I have a dream, si si puede!

Signed sealed delivered!

73. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

I still don’t know how he thinks he’s going to bring everybody together (whites, blacks, Latinos, Repubs, Dems, Independent). Really. What’s the plan? Inspiring speeches?

74. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

What’s the plan? Inspiring speeches?

He’s going to get Frank Rich and Bob Herbert so excited that they’ll both spontaneously combust right off the pages of the Sunday Times, starting fires, and so completely doing away with the need for heating oil in the NYC area over the next week that the price of oil will plummet and we’ll avoid the next recession.

Until Super Tuesday that is, when he has his death march in the New York and New Jersey primaries (guaranteed to be the nastiest in several decades).

75. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

74. Okay. Thanks. I must have missed that on Obama’s website. ;)

76. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Hair Club – my sense of sentiment hereabouts is very pro-Obama, with plenty of mixed views (mostly respectful, with grave reservations) on Hillary. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in NY, unions notwithstanding. Community action groups, suburban and exurban liberals, and students may have something to say.

77. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

well from the thread where he SHUNNED, and used that word, Marie and other WOMEN who dared to take issue with his slobber for Hillary,

I couldn’t remember what happened. Thanks for the reminder.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Did I forget to mention Edwards and millworkers?

Johnny up.

79. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

John needs new stories, damnit!

80. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Where’s Dickens when you need him?

Your voice will be heard!

81. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Re the abortion doctor’s GBCW – loved the sanctimony/blasphemy combo here:

So goodbye, Kossacks. I pray to God you don’t fuck this one up, too.

82. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

81. Well I thought it was funny that Bob Johnson couldn’t figure out what the kossacks had fucked up. Big sale at the Clue Store. Buy one, Bob.

83. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

82 – lol.

South Carolina Democratic Primary
Candidate Votes %
Barack Obama 288,820 55%
Hillary Clinton 138,758 27%
John Edwards 92,509 18%
Other 2,398 0
Key: Red Checkmark Winner
Precincts: 98% | Updated: 9:43 PM ET | Source: AP

84. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

KO said they “are told” Hill’s blib NOT to be a concession speech…

85. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Pete Seeger is still alive maybe he could endorse.

Peter Paul and Mary are alive, they could endorse.

Dylan is alive, he could.. you know.

Who else is alive? Rope ‘em in!

Joan Baez, get her! Oh no, there is fillm of her with Sheehan. Drop her overboard.

I mean if it is SO IMPORTANT to be the risen Jesus, er I mean JFK, hell let’s go all the way.

Here iw what I figured out about that utter, yes, shit in 2003 and 4…. the Dems used that for Clark, he was a “Kennedy era”, or “John Kennedy styled Dem”. Well I thought that stank, all around, no plaudits for either man.

THEN Zell surfaced with the exact same shit. he loved his Dem party, but he Loved the Old Dem Party (it’s gone?) of John Kennedy.

At first I thought, Zell hs flipped his few brain follicles. But by the time of the book, then joing Bush (to exhort for “discerning Dems” to vote for Bush) THEN his pure demogoguery night on Hardball… I had decided Zell was anythnign but insane.

Very very sane.

But I had alos decided a lot of this JFK bullshite, whcih is coming at us from several directions, is to invoke the Dem party before CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION.

And I think it is still going on with Obama.

Which is flat out disgusting. Invoke Joshua (in herits from Moses, but be sure to kiss the Bible, spare me!) but forget the hard slog for the change in laws.

At least that is what I see. So his game, and it is a game, is up agaisnt the hard old style, but prettified, demogoguery of the Clintons.

May they rip each other apart, and all their endorsers too.

86. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

When’s the Tennessee primary? Super Tuesday?

87. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

It’ll be interesting to see what happens in NY, unions notwithstanding. Community action groups, suburban and exurban liberals, and students may have something to say.

NYC/NJ has the same dynamic as New Hampshire. Plenty of little old ladies with vowels at the end of their names who think he’s too blac..uh doesn’t have the “experience” to be president. The pro-Israel vote is enormous. Corzine and Schumer are both squarely in Hillary’s corner, as are the unions.

He’s toast.

88. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Hillary thanks Doc Johnson in Tennessee. What’s next Jack Daniels?

89. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Hillary onstage in Nashville, promises not to sing.

90. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Personally, I think it was Scarlett Johansson’s Obama endorsement that put him over the top.

91. marisacat - 26 January 2008

82

waht about all of Bob Johnson’s screwaming diaries about how the Kosswhacks vilified Obma and Oprah? He called everyone a aracist in some form or another…

Probably too wearing to step out of his Jokester suit… so he forgot thsoe diaries.

92. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

MSNBC cuts Hillary off. CNN doesn’t.

93. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Who the Fuck is advising them? Wow. Blowing off a concession .
Not smart in this context. Ill advised IMO.

94. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

NYC/NJ has the same dynamic as New Hampshire.

With a few more people of color of course.

The most commons signs around me are Ron Paul signs (and no I didn’t put them up). They’re everywhere. Not too many Obama signs. No Hillary signs. But she’ll still win even if Corzine has to fiddle with the voting machines.

And the New York primary is going to kill him. Personally I don’t even want to watch it. It’s going to be that nasty.

95. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Personally, I think it was Scarlett Johansson’s Obama endorsement that put him over the top.

You mean Obama is sleeping with 20 something white women. Quick Bill, get Bob Kerrey on the line. Get him to assure the American people that he’s not making them convert to Islam.

96. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

And the New York primary is going to kill him. Personally I don’t even want to watch it. It’s going to be that nasty.

Which reminds me. I forgot to buy more popcorn.

97. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Plenty of little old ladies with vowels at the end of their names who think he’s too blac. – HC Mrs Biddle? Mrs Lodge? LOL

98. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Mrs Biddle? Mrs Lodge? LOL

Remember the shopping cart scene from “Married to the Mob”?

Add a few decades to that.

99. marisacat - 26 January 2008

catnip

Think TN goes Feb 5 as does MO, whcih is where he is tonight.

100. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Some hand-stenciled Ron Paul signs about (Who is Ron Paul? Google Ron Paul) but not much signage at all, that I’ve seen.

A lot of upstate New York will be stunned when it realizes the nation might actually care about its opinion on any of this.

101. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

I can’t even feign ignorance. Mrs Stanislaski? LOL

102. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I can’t even feign ignorance. Mrs Stanislaski? LOL

Just go to any graveyard in Staten Island and pick out a few names. Chicago is small time when it comes to this crap.

103. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

HairClub beating up on the sizeble WASP/ Polish Vowel Ending Surname Community that New Jersey is Noted for.. Appalling. LOL

104. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Think TN goes Feb 5 as does MO, whcih is where he is tonight.

Thanks.

If Obama can’t survive the NY fight, how would he manage dealing with the Republican machine if he was the candidate?

105. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

HairClub beating up on the sizeble WASP/ Polish Vowel Ending Surname Community that New Jersey is Noted for..

Are you kidding, Italian Americans are by so far the largest ethnic group in New Jersey it’s not even funny.

Yeah though, unlike New Hampshire there are black people here. But the Democratic Party machine rules. Corzine endorsed Hillary like 2 years ago. Lautenberg’s Mr. AIPAC and Mendendez is just as pro-Hillary.

But New Jersey’s small time. New York’s going to kill him. dead.

106. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I wonder how they’re going to come at him. Farrahkan? Secret Muslim? Or something new. Hmm. Photos of him flirting with white women? Photos from those anti-war speeches from 2002 and the Free Mumia guy in back? Or something completely different.

I don’t want to watch.

107. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

LOL. Two of my good friends @50 Brother and Sister, Yupsters, Italian American, Came here with parents in late Fifties as toddlers…
Adamant that Guilianni would never be elected on Heritage alone…

They don’t have a racist bone in their body but say hell would freeze over before Mom and Pop + other Dem Italian Catholics would vote Obam. Haven’t talked to either since summer….Back then, the brother and wife + bro in law leaning Obam, the Sister said she’d go Hill.. FWIW and whatever it means…

108. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

At first I thought, Zell hs flipped his few brain follicles.
LOL.

Pete Seeger could turn out for Edwards. Peter Paul and Mary . . . hard to tell. But Joan B would be the first to tell ya, Dylan’s worse than useless for this shit. Victoria’s Secret ads – now that’s the trickster way.

109. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Pete Seeger could turn out for Edwards. Peter Paul and Mary . . . hard to tell. But Joan B would be the first to tell ya, Dylan’s worse than useless for this shit. Victoria’s Secret ads – now that’s the trickster way.

Obama had the lamest, whitest, blandest band this side of Xtian rock when he spoke at Washington Square last September.

http://www.pbase.com/srogouski/image/86317259

110. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Uh HC. Yes Kidding. Waaay Kidding. Kidding kidding kiddinella.
Kiddinetti
Kidiccino.
LOL…

111. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Not that I care, but after the SC primary has Francis Holland switched back to Obama?

112. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Uh HC. Yes Kidding. Waaay Kidding. Kidding kidding kiddinella.
Kiddinetti

In my own case, father = Polish American and solidly McCain

Mother = German/Swiss Protestant (sort of WASP I guess) and solidly pro-Hillary but slightly annoyed at Bill’s recent antics.

113. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I was going to vote for Paul but the NJ Republican primary’s winner take all so no deal here.

So it’s Obama, Hillary or Edwards. Gravel and Kucinich are gone.

David Byron said one intelligent thing a few days ago actually. Just because the only thing on the menu is shit doesn’t mean you have to eat it.

114. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Pete Seeger’s a Bernie Sanders and John Hall kind of guy. He has a pro-impeachment audio ad up at afterdowningstreet.org so I can’t see him supporting any of these candidates but who knows?

115. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

DK diary by casperr, one of the Brian Keeler campaign and Albany Project crew: It may be freezing out, but New Yorkers are FIRED UP!

Here in New York, it’s impossible to keep up with all of the activities. There are now Obama offices in Downtown Manhattan (the headquarters), Harlem, Brooklyn, Queens, Hudson, Poughkeepsie, Albany, and Buffalo. Those are just the ones I’m aware of – offices are opening up every couple of days!

I’m not suggesting a win in NY, but I’m not gonna predict wanton slaughter just yet. Like I said, this is gonna be interesting. Edwards included.

116. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I’m not suggesting a win in NY, but I’m not gonna predict wanton slaughter just yet.

It might be close but the Clintons have stacks and stacks of mud pies ready to fling. The winner will probably wind up being John McCain.

117. marisacat - 26 January 2008

well I was actually being sarcastic about the possible endorsements of the folk and transitional singers.

I am just sick to death of the facile evocation of the Kennedys … and the restoration, levitation of some pre digested “simpler era”.

I mean in 2003 Carville called edwards the “party’s greatest orator” and said he was like one of hte Ks.

Forget which one of the Kennedys that swamp snake evoked that time… hell they are all dead.

118. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I mean in 2003 Carville called edwards the “party’s greatest orator” and said he was like one of hte Ks

Carville just needs to get run over by a tank or something.

119. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Remember the last time a credible African American candidate met the New York Primary?

http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=370

120. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

But New Jersey’s small time. New York’s going to kill him. dead.

I think you’re underestimating the college campuses and the large African American communities. There are a lot of NYers who fucking HATE Hillary.

Not that I care …

Go Cynthia!

121. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I think you’re underestimating the college campuses and the large African American communities. There are a lot of NYers who fucking HATE Hillary

The New York Demcratic Party’s a little less top down than New Jersey (which doesn’t have politics, only no bid contracts and guys with no necks with nicknames who break thumbs for a living).

But still, it’s not Vermont. It’s not Minnesota.

122. marisacat - 26 January 2008

From MSNBC’s David Shuster

More than 500,000 votes were cast today in this Democratic primary…

That is higher than the 450,000 who voted last Saturday in the GOP South Carolina primary. And the turnout today is up by 75% compared to the Democratic primary turnout in 2004… That primary turnout was 290,000.

123. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

When’s the Florida primary btw so Rudy can take a nice dive into the dustbin of history?

124. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Don’t forget, New York State is miffed aplenty with ALL of its state politicans’ entrenched gridlock and ridiculous antics, and as Madman points out, Hillary lerv ain’t universal.

Given half a chance to matter, I’m thinking a surprising number of New Yorkers might vote for a ch-ch-change . . . . And it’s not like Obama has given any cause for worry on Israel, has he?

125. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

also, I think that turnout being so high in so many places is a factor that everyone needs to remember. There are large numbers of people showing up who aren’t showing up in the polls, and who aren’t part of the usual machine plans. I think there are a lot of people showing up w/out landline phones, younger people who want to be inspired. We may all realize here that Obama is DLC in savior clothing, but a lot of people are buying the marketing.

I see two signs here in WI, Ron Paul and Obama. That’s pretty much it. I’ve been bumping into college kids w/ Obama buttons and Ron Paul buttons here for MONTHS.

I don’t know what’s going to happen, which is what is making this so damned fun to watch. I just hope it is protracted and messy and nasty and that it goes all the way to the convention. I hope that however it turns out that the Clintons are finally revealed for the nasty Republicans that they are.

126. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

And it’s not like Obama has given any cause for worry on Israel, has he?

Remember that scene from “History of the World” where a guys in the Bastille for saying “the poor ain’t so bad”?

Wasn’t Obama caught on camera saying the Palestinians were human or something equally horrible an anti-semitic?

127. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

122 – Whoa! They were hoping for 350,000.

In the other room, I can hear CNN people saying Obama is bringing new people into the mix.

128. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

123 – I saw a perfect headline earlier today. Goodbye, Rudy Tuesday.

129. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Admittedly I probably have a NYC/North Jersey bias. I have no clue what’s going on upstate.

130. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

oh, and I LOVE Bill comparing Obama’s win to Jackson’s win in ’84 and ’88.

What a nasty, racist fucker he is.

131. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

Goodbye, Rudy Tuesday.

RFLMAO!

132. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

one other thing about Bill … why wasn’t his cozying up so close the the BUSHES reason enuff for Donks to tell him to fuck off?

133. marisacat - 26 January 2008

well Obama actually associated with the local ME communities in Illinois… and went to various dinners and so on. But has worked to assiduously move away from all of that. Cut ties… and so on. BAR has reported that at first when he went to the senate he would sort of apologeticlaly convey [to his old friends] that it just was not the time to mention Palestinian or other issues…. then even that dropped off…

But Angry Arab, and others, have published photos of him and Michelle at the varous dinners, one photo with Edward Said. As part of reporting or mentioning that he wishes he did nto have that trail behind him.

Well whooops.

I would assume that there are Jewish groups that will move hard agaisnt him, as part of their support for HillBillPill.

134. marisacat - 26 January 2008

132

why does Obama not bring up any of that… Bush coziness, and all the visible realities of money corruption. Hsu, Chang… etc.

But no dear fellow is silencio. Just vagueness..

Rather odd.

135. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

I would assume that there are Jewish groups that will move hard agaisnt him, as part of their support for HillBillPill.

Well Frank Lautenberg compared Arabs to Satan during the Dubai port “crisis”. And he’s a liberal who’s too old to care about being reelected and has an actual train station named after him.

136. marisacat - 26 January 2008

There are large numbers of people showing up who aren’t showing up in the polls, and who aren’t part of the usual machine plans.

Nothing freaks the parties out more, imo. They liek a controllable, reliably returning vote. That old bugaboo, the Likely Voter, Who Has Voted Before.

But I am sure they will domesticate whoever turns out… LOL.

137. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

Re the Race/ Relig / Ethnicity
I can’t ignore the bigotry at play, nor dismiss too easily the sense of grounding to be had on the margins of identity, but all of it serves the Very Very Much Haves over the rest of us. “Us” as in our Fellow Human Beings who inevitably will need- at one time or other – the expertise or intellect, insight or inspiration, food or shelter, bone marrow or CPR , one from another…That said, I’m Not so un-introspective to realize the all too-easy facility of white males to sweep all else under the rug of class politics …

138. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

well I was actually being sarcastic about the possible endorsements of the folk and transitional singers.

I know. It was just a distraction for me from researching the usual crap on the tubes. :)

I would assume that there are Jewish groups that will move hard agaisnt him, as part of their support for HillBillPill.

But he was also the first and only Dem candidate (that I know of, as of yesterday) who stood behind Israel directly this past week re: the Un security council resolution and sent a letter to that effect. He does have some ground to make up however with Jewish voters.

139. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

oh, and I LOVE Bill comparing Obama’s win to Jackson’s win in ‘84 and ‘88.

Another faux pas.

BTW, HC – re Jackson. A lot of white people up here literally couldn’t understand what Jesse was saying a lot of the time, and they probably couldn’t handle the phrasing and syncopation, either. Obama’s diction and enunciation (as well as his avoidance of so-called identity politics, obviously) are a huge asset for making that crossover, so-called universal appeal.

And as long as I’m opining on accents and diction, I think Edwards is way challenged up here.

140. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

why does Obama not bring up any of that… Bush coziness, and all the visible realities of money corruption. Hsu, Chang… etc.

I thought he referred to the Hsu thing during the last debate (bundled in talk of bundlers though.)

141. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

And as long as I’m opining on accents and diction, I think Edwards is way challenged up here.

I have no trouble understanding anything Jackson or Edwards say.

142. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Obama is kind of damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. He says he doesn’t want this to be about race but he got the overwhelming support of the black community in SC, so there’s no denying the race aspect in this. But he doesn’t really respond to those issues directly. He has surrogates for that and when HillBill bring it up, the Obama campaign screams bloody murder while they walk away smiling. It’s all very convoluted.

143. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

With Edwards, the challenge isn’t comprehension, it’s credulity. Or credibility. People can’t believe he isn’t just slathering it on.

144. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

You have to admit it would be funny if the Clinton’s destroy the Democratic party to win the nomination and then they catch Bin Laden in October of 2008 and send McCain to Pakistan to put the handcuffs on him and bring him back home.

145. marisacat - 26 January 2008

ugh. Fuck Bill.

However, not sure how many will vote in the 22 Super Tuesday votes… Ambinder has some important differences noted (as part of a 10 pt assessment of the night] in upcoming states vs SC:

10. The margin of victory was so big that the press was easily able to dismiss the Clinton campaign’s spin tonight. But here are legitimate points they might make:

(a). About 20 percent of black voters did choose Hillary Clinton.

(b) In no major state going forward does Barack Obama have the same demographic advantages as he had in South Carolina.

(In Georgia, 30% of the population is black; in Alabama, the figure is 25%. In California, which allocates 8 times as many delegates as South Carolina does, is about 7% black. (Arkansas and New York have large black populations, but…)

(c) South Carolina and Iowa were the two retail states where Obama’s campaign worked the hardest and spent the most, and Obama was able to build movements in those states. But it took months. He can’t replicate these organizations in 22 states in 9 days.

(d) Hillary Clinton is running strong in states like Tennessee, Missouri and Arkansas — all interior states — and is stronger in the states with the most delegates.
(e) Including Florida and Michigan, more Democrats have voted for HRC than any other candidate by far.

Jesse, second go round, got just under 7 mil votes and won 11 states.

146. lucid - 26 January 2008

Obama had the lamest, whitest, blandest band this side of Xtian rock when he spoke at Washington Square last September.

Our manager is an Obama organizer. When we were discussing what the band would and would not do, we joked about playing an Obama rally. I can just picture us getting on stage with our singer saying “this is a song about cannibalism” and then launching into ‘Good Enough to Eat’.

147. BooHooHooMan - 26 January 2008

I’ve had it with the Jewish Groups, the Catholic Groups, the Fundie Groups and their cross pollination with the Corporate Bourgeousie.

They’re all the perfect attendence guards, employee-shareholders in the MIC operated American Political Prison.

148. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Edwards particular accent bothers me… It goes back to the night of the CNN Rock the VOte debate in 03. Suddenly I heard the small town white reactionaries of the Civil Rights era in his voice.

Unfair, maybe, but it popped into my brain. And lodged there..

And I am familiar with Southern voices, a wide range of them. But his just.. too adnoidal or something. Not sure what it was.

Jesse it seems to me as he ages, there is a lessening of physical stength and there is some liability, some indistinct aspect rising now. Some words are muffled.

149. marisacat - 26 January 2008

147

exactly, part of the power, suppression grid… they work to keep the lid on the country.

150. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

I always thought Jesse just had a speech impediment. As for Edwards, I like southern accents so his doesn’t bother me. He does have a bit of the nasal thing going on though.

151. lucid - 26 January 2008

btw, I’m sure Joan would support Cynthia.

152. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008
153. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

btw, I’m sure Joan would support Cynthia.

I love these 1960s TV shows where you have all these earnest looking people sitting around listening to the folk singer.

154. lucid - 26 January 2008

one photo with Edward Said

Oh no! Not that evil, racist Palestinian from a family who’s land was literally stolen from them at gunpoint and who went on to become one of the best cultural studies writers in the history of cultural studies! [Not to mention a revered professor at Columbia].

155. lucid - 26 January 2008

I love these 1960s TV shows where you have all these earnest looking people sitting around listening to the folk singer.

Well hey, if they’re good, I have no problem with sitting around and looking earnest, as long as the joint serves wine.

156. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Speaking of Said, you’ve got to love how nasty the “lobby” can get.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/813

Ah, well, Said is in paradise now. As an Episcopalian, he’s ineligible for the customary 72 virgins, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s honored with a couple of female doctoral candidates. No one deserves it more. Meanwhile, the legacy lives. Like George Steinbrenner, Bollinger has recruited a new superstar for Columbia’s “realm of ideas.” Rashid Khalidy is now the enforcer of Arab authenticity in Morningside Heights, and he’s got the title to prove it: Edward Said professor of Middle Eastern studies.

157. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Re PFF. NeoKong is getting desperate and hitting on “Veronica the Viking”. I’m sorry but I had to warn him.

158. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

I was just thinking this evening, after the news about Caroline Kennedy’s endorsement and what she wrote in the NYT, that for a bunch of people who have continually turned their backs on the 60s as being irrelevant (ie. kossacks) they sure don’t seem to mind resurrecting the ghosts of those years and what they did when it comes to getting behind Obama, whose campaign is now being sold as the 60s revisited.

159. lucid - 26 January 2008

and send McCain to Pakistan to put the handcuffs on him and bring him back home.

They’ll send him over with a machete. And it will kick off the launch of the new cable station “Execution: American Justice”.

160. marisacat - 26 January 2008

EARLY sixties, that is the propaganda… imo. That is the massage.

BEFORE the riots in the cities… before the massive legislation (fuck all how it got there, we will never get landmark legistlation like that again, so give it a fond kiss, however corrupt)

161. marisacat - 26 January 2008

156

and all Rashid Khalidi does is make sense.

162. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

In More Cases, Combat Trauma Is Taking the Stand

A Disorder Is Recognized

Born during the Vietnam War era, the combat version of what became known as the PTSD defense is being dusted off for a new generation of war veterans.

“I’m seeing it all the time now,” said David P. Sheldon, a civilian lawyer in Washington who represents military personnel. “And I will not be surprised to see this resonate as a consistent theme over the next few decades when people will be committing crimes after suffering repeated traumas in Iraq.”

It was in 1980, five years after the Vietnam War ended, that the psychiatric establishment first recognized post-traumatic stress disorder. Vietnam veterans quickly summoned it as a primary legal defense. In many cases, the veterans argued that they had been rendered temporarily insane as a result of flashbacks to the war while committing their crimes.

One of the first murder defendants to do so successfully was Charles G. Heads, who was found not guilty by reason of insanity for killing his brother-in-law a decade after he left Vietnam. Medical experts contended that Mr. Heads believed he was “cleaning out a hooch,” or hut, in Vietnam when he kicked in a door and shot his victim.

As time went on, the PTSD defense met increasing resistance just as the use of the insanity defense was limited by many states.

Taking a more cautious approach, the current generation of war-era defendants is most often using combat trauma not to escape culpability but to explain state of mind.

Were it not for their deployment to Iraq, they argue, they probably never would have committed the crime. Before Iraq, they claim, they were not paranoid, aggressive, jumpy or suicidal; they did not carry around loaded weapons, drink to excess, misread threats or explode in anger.

“In many of these cases, you have a nasty mix: a gun, intoxication and someone inaccurately assessing their environment and the consequences of their behavior,” said Thomas Grieger, a recently retired Navy forensic psychiatrist.

In general, the veterans raise their combat trauma during plea negotiations or in the sentencing phase of trials, hoping for reduced charges or a lesser sentence.

Occasionally it works.

163. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

I can’t ignore the bigotry at play, nor dismiss too easily the sense of grounding to be had on the margins of identity, but all of it serves the Very Very Much Haves over the rest of us. “Us” as in our Fellow Human Beings who inevitably will need- at one time or other – the expertise or intellect, insight or inspiration, food or shelter, bone marrow or CPR , one from another…

I think people are copping on to this concept. Part of why Obama’s counter-intuitive (after the Bush years) unity theme is shaking up the machines and selling direct to the masses.

lucid at 146 – LOL!

Obama is bringing new people into the mix.

164. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Oops, bad HTML. Sorrrrrry!

165. liberalcatnip - 26 January 2008

Oops, bad HTML. Sorrrrrry!

Hey, that’s my gig. Knock it off! ;)

166. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Riding near the top of the Halperin The Page:

Plus Chicago Sun-Times’s Sweet:

“And that big endorsement I hear is coming (Sunday)….the two biggest out there are Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass) and former Vice President Al Gore.” The Page, 9:14 PM

******************

AND I see in a banner above The Page, TIME is highlighting a coverage piece of theirs on Michelle, with a less than flattering photo…

I have at times opened the Politics page at Time and ALL THE HEADLINES were relating to HIllary. Gee not even subtle.

167. lucid - 26 January 2008

HC – that fucker Pipes targeted a friend of mine at Barnard too – and he hardly ever touches on Palestinian issues in his writing. It’s the course syllabi!

168. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

That is the massage.

I keep thinking of your puff pastry comment the other day.

No pain, no gain is receding as a modern American motto.

Enter the pharmaceuticals.

169. lucid - 26 January 2008

btw – ya’ll have just been privy to the pre-release of a song from our new album. ;)

170. bayprairie - 26 January 2008

linton campaign strategists denied any intentional effortstir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as “the black candidate,” a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

Here’s Bill Clinton this afternoon discounting Barack Obama’s expected victory in South Carolina by explaining that Jesse Jackson won the state twice …

i suppose by the time billybubb gets to texas he’ll be referring to obama as that canadian fellow.

catnip said

Abortion dr leaving dkos. Isn’t he the one who seemed sane at first and then changed?

yeah catnip, the same. im positive he cares a great deal about the wellbeing of his patients. and his dedication to reproductive rights is admirable. he does kinda seems to have the clinton-stars-that-fell-on-ark thing going just a bit too much though. ok way too much. but hey, doctors’ almost always suck at selecting good real estate investments too.

171. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

HC – that fucker Pipes targeted a friend of mine at Barnard too – and he hardly ever touches on Palestinian issues in his writing. It’s the course syllabi!

One of my old English professors from Rutgers (a guy named Bruce Robbins) was the subject of a full on Daily News hit piece a few year ago.

Now this guy is about 5’8″ and 120 pounds. When I spoke to this guy after class in college I was afraid I’d break him in two if I sneezed too hard.

But he was also the founder of a group at Columbia (which he moved to a few years ago) called “Jewish Academics Against the Occupation” or something like that.

As a result, the Daily News hit piece described him as a “threatening presence” who intimidated students.

I couldn’t believe they lied so openly.

172. bayprairie - 26 January 2008

oh my. an inline anchor error. first graph should be:

<a

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as “the black candidate,” a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

173. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Re “Moon” and “yourmomma” at PFF. I think I’ve figured them both out. They’re both really into personal attacks and letting you know they’re both watching you for any person info they could use against you.

I’m not that worried about being anonymous online and I don’t have a lot you could “use” against me.

But I think they both might be sending a message to some of the more high profile diarists at Kos not to come over to PFF or they’ll be outed.

Just a paranoid theory but I think that’s the deal with both of them (aside from their both being insane and not terribly bright).

174. Hair Club for Men - 26 January 2008

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate

I did not have sex with that racial slur.

175. lucid - 26 January 2008

I did not have sex with that racial slur.

That sounds fun! How exactly does one do that? ;)

176. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Congrats on the album, lucid. Sounded great! I can think of three nephews and a half-brother who would like the sounds of that, too.

If Gore comes out for Obama tomorrow, look out.

I did not have sex with that racial slur.

Nuh uh!

177. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Re “Moon” and “yourmomma” at PFF. HCfM

Your Momma is especially dark. Some barely veiled venom there, more intense than moon/noom…

178. BooHoohooMan - 26 January 2008

Whoa Lucid I didn’t realize that Good Enough to Eat was you and yours!
I just checked out the website too, it’s fuckin Awesome man!

179. lucid - 26 January 2008

Debating issues (23+ / 0-)

Recommended by:Olds88, kate mckinnon, Realist2004, Mlle Orignalmale, mcfly, produceus, coigue, Rusty Pipes, sofia, sbdenmon, Spathiphyllum, Land of Enchantment, CSI Bentonville, bonesy, va dare, ellen, CenterLeft, flumptytail, MI Sooner, ImpeachKingBushII, LynneK, kyril, xobehtedistuo

from a conservative viewpoint, if done politely, is not worthy of being hidden. In fact, it’s beneficial for all of us to see how the other side argues so we get better at responding to those arguments,.

But advocating for a non-Democratic candidate is not allowed.

So issues — okay. Candidate or party advocacy — not okay.

by kos on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:13:27 PM EST

From a Hunter diary renaming the ‘troll’ rating to a ‘hide’ rating…

Fucking priceless.

180. lucid - 26 January 2008

Particularly priceless give the only two hidden comments I ever had on Dkos were ones directly linking to peer reviewed scientific articles contesting elements of the HIV hypothesis…

181. lucid - 26 January 2008

BHHM – thanx!

182. BooHoohooMan - 26 January 2008

Lucid I’ll e ya in a min at Lucidculture

183. marisacat - 26 January 2008

Frank Rich is up……………….

184. lucid - 26 January 2008

BHHM – e-mail me at home, noxes at verizon dot net. Delarue takes care of Lucidculture these days, & I forget the login to the addy on the site.

185. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 January 2008

good stuff lucid!

186. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

It’s sunny, and we’re dancing barefoot through a field of pollen-rich wildflowers, a thousand allergy-inducing cats and doggies at our heel, doves above. We’re laughing and dancing, breathing deeply – without halitosis, acid reflux, mild depression, toenail fungus, erectile dysfunction, contraceptive failure, crushing economic pressures, anxiety disorders, fear of ticks – tossing our shiny tresses and twirling our gauzy designer casualwear in the fragrant breezes of organic springtime.

It’s a new day in America.

Unpredictable Primary’s Cool.

187. marisacat - 26 January 2008

new thread………….

LINK

8)

188. marisacat - 26 January 2008

186

a lotta lotta advertising dollars just crashed…
;)

189. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

He’s going to get Frank Rich and Bob Herbert so excited that they’ll both spontaneously combust right off the pages of the Sunday Times, starting fires, and so completely doing away with the need for heating oil in the NYC area over the next week that the price of oil will plummet and we’ll avoid the next recession.

Score one for Hair Club on Rich:

People don’t change. Bill Clinton, having always lived on the edge, is back on the precipice.

There’s little more transparency at “Little Rock’s Fort Knox” than there is at Giuliani Partners.

Not all Republicans are smart enough, however, to recognize the value of John McCain should Mrs. Clinton emerge as the nominee. He’s a bazooka aimed at most every rationale she’s offered for her candidacy.

In a McCain vs. Billary race, the Democrats will sacrifice the most highly desired commodity by the entire electorate, change; the party will be mired in déjà 1990s all over again.

Ssssssteam heat!

190. Intermittent Bystander - 26 January 2008

Damn, missing ::snips:: indications in Rich Text above.

Sorry lc (and BHHM, self-effacing) no exclusive dibs on HTML error MO!


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