Three AM Repast 30 January 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.trackback
well I amused myself during the night… first with this sub thread of Smithee and Donkeytale just slapping each other around… quite tasty.
GO SMITHEE!
You must have gone to school (5.00 / 2)
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And, on a terrain of issues and policy (and war criminals as advisors, an issue close to my heart), this subthread of HCfM with, first, Your Momma, then joined by Major Disarray.
Nice set of priorities there genius.
I never really thought of myself as a genius, but I’m gratified that you do.
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Both carrying a stench of Orange Blimps on Fire...
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a stench of being (volunteer level) Dem party thug operatives (if quite passive aggressive) and whatever else stench they are dragging around behind them.
In the sub thread, Stupid Asshole pops up to indicate one, Your Momma, is MBNYC. Seems highly possible.
stay away from CNN this morning … they are awash in Reagan lust today. They built a fucking replica of his Oval Office overlooking Air Force One at his library as a set for tonight’s debate.
it’s minus fucking four this morning. NOT looking forward to the walk to work.
Have a good day everybody.
bundle up!
Against Reagan lovers too!
so called snub story deepens…
hmm not sure I buy much of that. I imagine some Dem party strategists, leadership may have had such a harebrained idea… but I think it would have looked quite odd, the two of them seated together..
You catch this Edwards to Withdraw in New Orleans!
John Edwards dropping out.
IMO this was negotiated to try ot build Obama numbers for Feb 5.
I am guessing the numbers out of FL worry them. Oh right, it did not matter. Right, right.
Where is that big ol’ Kennedy bounce? Maybe that is a bit of a worry as well………
JED would have been savaged on Feb 5th.
I figure (from my derriere) BO gets the fundraising list and @ 2/3 of his activista, the rest will be lookin for ass cover under HillBill.
Maybe old man Edwards got a job outside the mill…who knows?
So much for a convention with one iota of interest.
But I won’t miss that goddamned mill. Maybe BO can crank up the goat herding tales?
Just watched about a minute of McCain’s victory speech at TPM. That man is on some serious drugs, no doubt intended to keep his volcanic temper from doing a Krakatoa. Anyone familiar with his demeanor prior to this year will realize that he’s seriously zonked out, and that Chesire Cat smile he now affects so often is truly scary. Needless to say, this will go completely unreported upon by the MSM, just as they refused to investigate whether or not George Bush was a genuine teetotaler.
When I was still posting at places like Little Orange Footballs, I would tell people that Rudy Giuliani had absolutely zero chance of ever being elected, if only because he was so freakishly ugly. To those who insisted he was a threat to take New York State’s electoral votes out of the Dem column, I would point out that he had more than worn out his welcome, that he was never the least bit popular outside the NYC metropolitan area (the reason he kept wimping out of the many opportunities he had to run for statewide office), and that after 8 years as mayor, he would have unable to win a race in the city aside from something like DA or borough president for Staten Island or Queens, and he’d be hard pressed to win in the latter borough. The failure of his candidacy was as predictable as an eclipse, but a lot more fun.
Too bad. Edwards was the best of the lot.
Not sufficiently reptilian to be the party candidate, however.
Orange Blimps on Fire
LOL MCat, that made me snarf my Twinings. “Oh the humanity!!!”
It’s funny how the Orangers have to roam around other sites attacking any critics. And they’re always in pairs or groups – too fucking cowardly to stand on their own.
LOL maybe he could send Bill some of what he is on.
And yes agree, some anger supprssion pharmaceuticals being used there.
ROTFLMAO.
Smithee should totally change his name to “Mr. Green Jeans.” If he doesn’t, I may have to.
Melvin! Get to Work! … in the mill…LOL
Now before any observers think me insular or insulated…LOL
HARDLY…
Among a patchwork of jobs as a laddie…
I worked two summers in the “hot end” of a Corning Glass Factory in State College PA. which made heavy old style tv screens in two parts the front part called “panels” and the back part “funnels” which eventually were glass welded together…I worked at “The Melt”,
right where a huge river of molten glass came off the melt in a 120 degree heatwave area …rotating 15 minutes in, then 5 minutes out in the OSHA zone with ac, salt tabs and water fountains available,…. all night long…You’d lose 8 Lbs a night (about a gallon of water) and replenish it by the time you came back .
It was like working in Hell ….but for 8 bucks an hour!….
Maybe my kid can be Preznit someday…I’ll be the Old Codger behind her foaming at the mouth being carted away…
The Kozzie Du Jour’s whole argument against Hair Club consisted of using (gasp !) HC’s real life first name and yelling “EVERYBODY DOES IT, PURIST” about seventy-two times.
No wonder these fucks can’t battle their way out of a wet paper bag in an election. If you armed them with an electric carving knife it would still take them a week to get through.
Sabrina was also in good form, though.
LOL
Really, Trippi Blew 40 Million of Howard’s money in a flash….What is he – the Next Shrumm? On crack???…..
LOL , xeno…
Headin out…
HC’s real life first name and yelling “EVERYBODY DOES IT, PURIST” about seventy-two times.
Particularly ridiculous since I’ve got a url that’s the same as my name in my PFF profile.
What I’m struck by however is that some of them will answer the charges about Bzrezinski’s funding the Mujahadeen but that none of them even seem to be aware of what happened in East Timor and, if they are, bringing it up at all seems proof that you’re ridiculous.
And I posted that document showing how Bzrezinski shut down a congressional investigation into Kissinger/Ford greenlighting the invasion 3 times.
But since the mainstream media isn’t talking about Suharto at all, I guess the typical Kosswhack can’t either. It’s not even Israel (and Suharto makes Arial Sharon look small time). And they still can’t discuss it.
from marc Ambinder…. LOL sounds like the phone calls with Obama over the past days did not go well:
Wayne Barrett gleefully pissing on the grave of Rudy’s campaign on Democracy Now.
I think that Rudy’s dive is as much to be blamed on the incredibly short memory of the average American as anything else. Sure, everyone said they’d NEVER FORGET 911 but there is now a huge swath of Americans that weren’t even of voting age yet when it happened. The rest would prefer not to think about it because of the subsequent unpleasantries that have come to be associated with it (ie– Afghanistan, the abuse of workers and residents, etc). Later on Rudy may even have the wit to realize that he lucked out by not giving even the inept Dems and their cadre of high-powered [snerk] bloggers the opportunity to drag all that shite back into the light of day for ten months straight.
I’m sure McCain can find a comfy cabinet post for him. The NEA would be perfect, unless Chuck Norris ends up getting that appointment first. :p
John Edwards dropping out.
Gee. What happened to staying in until the convention as he said over and over?
I guess this means that from now on the dkos rec list will be fully loaded with Obama diaries. zzzzzzzzzzz…
21 Not to worry. Nader arrives just in the nick of time. There will be a couple hundred diaries a day foaming at the mouth about that for the next three years.
I am more concerned about Mr. Holland. The withdrawal of the last white male from the Dem race leaves him with no hobbyhorse to ride. He is reduced to recycling year-old diaries that, if possible, are even less relevant now.
Shared w/kind permission:
An LJ buddy tells Pappas of NOW, ‘Sister, Stop Showing Your Ass’>
Pappas calls Edwards’ endorsement of Obama a “psychological gang bang” and the poster responds, in part:
when did Edwards endorse?
Ah, sorry. Was (mis)reading a WaPo window I had open at the same time. Was just sort of hinting that an endorsement was imminent.
That’s why I’ll never be a big time blogger. :/
Well, Im feeling … it’s too bad JE dropped out, too, supervixen.
He used to alternately bore me or disgust me, but I grew to feel more positive about him over the past few months. The fact that he was actually stating “corporate greed” and talking about needing to “fight” the insurance/drug/oil/banking industries – doing this over and over – made me feel that he had tossed that message one too many times into the ring to pull back too much if elected. His words also added about the only jolt to an otherwise tame atmosphere in the top tier, which is the only tier covered.
I still dont think he is very keen on foreign policy and I felt he needed to be taken to task for past performance GAPS in light of current claims, but I didnt feel the disparity meant he hadnt necessarily turned a corner. It happens.
schadenfreude lite…
As for Rudy, I dont think he really cares about the presidency, which has the unfortunate effect of diluting my schadenfreude.
Edwards has not endorsed either of his rivals.
My GOP Congresscritter Tom Davis has made it official, he will not run for another term. Since he managed to get elected over and over again on the force of his “nice guy” personality, the GOP will probably be hard pressed to hang on to this seat, given the enormous demographic changes in that neck of the woods.
Nader is getting lazier and lazier about these silly presidential campaigns of his, not even bothering to do any of the spadework necessary to get a campaign going prior to this point. I think at this point he’s trying to rehabilitate Harold Stassen’s reputation. Either that or he wants to ensure that McCain isn’t the oldest person you can vote for this coming November.
Aside from running for president, Nader hasn’t done anything of consequence the last 15-20 years, during which time our cars have gotten far more dangerous and wasteful of fossil fuel, our food far less healthy (most of us are basically on an all-corn diet), and the huge corporations he claims to despise have extended their monopolies even further. Which of course gives Ralph the opportunity to creep out of seclusion every four years, deplore what’s going on, and draw a lot of attention to himself. Which I think is the main point. Those of you who condemn Kucinich for saying all the right things then supporting whoever the Dems nominate need to face the fact that Nader isn’t any better, and that the ghost of (to take one example) Robert LaFollette, Sr. could walk among us, wave his wand and give us a Progressive Valhalla, and Nader would launch a thousand lawsuits complaining that it needed more airbags. If every position he espoused were somehow satisfied according to his strictures, he’d be the most miserable person on the planet.
So one flaming neocon maniac will endorse another flaming neocon maniac at Reagan’s library tonight.
But all we will hear from the media about either of them is:
Well, Kucinich is too advanced for the nation and the Dem party, but they are where he lives – his place of birth and the only viable party, nationally, except for the GOOP.
Speaking of Nader’s hermetic behavior, save the every-4-year itch, whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan and her challenge to Nancy Pelosi? I havent heard from her, or of her, in ages.
The Fed has cut short-term interest rates once again, this time by a half point. It’s now 3%, down from 4.25% only nine days ago.
FREE MONEY! FREE MONEY! STEP RIGHT UP AND GETCHA FREE MONEY HEYAH!!!!!
Yeah, that didnt take long…
The Fed’s what feeds us… on fumes.
Gee… can I say that in mid single digit 21st c (an ugly place to be as an American) I am not too fond of either Kuc OR Nader.
Both did great things in the past. Truly great things, esp Nader over an extended series of decaades. In fact I wish the documentary out on Nader had done more on the organising and support for various local organisers not even part of his shop in the 80s…
Kuc deserves a documentary for his work in Ohio.
But Basta… it is OVER w/r/t to the presidency. I am nto saying they cannot run (too few people run, as a matter of fact) but it has hardened to set pieces.
The Edwards endorse from nader was just plain strange.
Best of luck to them, but I can barely raise my head for either.
Any small shred of progressivism (whatever that is) or liberal left (whatever that is) in the Dem party is simply overwhelmed, out voted, derided, ignored, etc by the coalition of conservatives of both parties.
Shit at least in Mexico a part of politics – and collective action – is the acknowledged reality that the ptb will NEVER ALLOW THE LEFT TO WIN.
Makes a big difference that.
The early voting wreaks havoc on candidates ability to campaign effectively, combined with the shortened primary timetable this year. Romney might have done better in FL had he had more time. Also, Hillary’s name recognition does her favors in places like FL … and doesnt CA have early voting too? I have heard absentee, but I dont know who that includes… or excludes.
I just read numbers for FL voting… she won big in early voting. He won with those who made up their mind between one month and ‘the week of voting’.
BUT she won, 34 to 30 (caaveat fwiw, as in who knows or really cares) those who decided the day of the vote.
I’ll say this for Nader and Kucinich: they both brought at least a semblance of what “progressivism” is supposed to be about to the public airwaves (as much as they could considering how they were so stifled by the corporate media) and that ought to stick out in the minds of voters when they look at the platforms of the Top Two Twins now for whom “progressivism” is just a catch phrase.
I feel no pain for Guiliani. He sunk himself with his 9/11 rhetoric and that’s as it should be. He was an opportunist with a megaphone who pushed it as far as he could take it. (Yes, they’re all opportunists but his brand was particularly ugly).
Why lovers of Israel should vote for McCain (according to Lieberman)
Bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran.
From ms. x’s link:
What horseshit. I hear it all the time from women who don’t know what feminism is about. It’s not about racism and classism, etc. Those are secondary to the main goal of liberation of WOMEN. That has to come first.
Yeah, we dont have much of a voice, do we? I think part of it is because the people (too many) dont care (enough) and dont bother (significantly) to latch onto each other to fight for progressive causes. Not in enough numbers. Not loudly or consistently enough.
Look at Amy Goodman’s operation on Democracy Now. AG & co. have put tremendous, unflagging effort in getting the word out … to what remains a disregarded niche. I dont know what Noam or Howard Z are talking about when they say the masses are far ahead of the politicians. Maybe on the phone, when asked, but in feet to the street, or shoulder to the grindstone (think how Italians and French shut down the country with their massive strikes)… I dont think so.
We have toyed with laissez faire ideology (or govt interference on behalf of the wealthy elite) and the pols who promote this for so long that now they have got what they flirted with… and it has got us in a bind. Too many are conditioned to believe in it, others are too overworked by its demands to fight back, too lacking in protection to get the necessary protection to take the risk… because risks werent taken even when it was easier to do so… and too clueless to know what can or should be done.
And then there is always the great national pastime – shopping… China keeps churning out the smack that soothes…
And when you’re coming down from that, there’s always Idol. Lots and lots of participation there.
Oh, and there is the opiate of “worship.” I think some churchgoers do actually take the better principles of Christ (or what “God” has to offer, whatever the stripe) and work to apply it to issues, but quite a large chunk are just in it for “feel good,” image, and the pass beyond the pearly gates.
Thanks for the #s, Mcat.
catnip – oh yeah, it is totally fitting that McCain and Lieberman are two toxic peas in a pod, esp when it comes to The Region and the bomb first mentality. I recall reading a few years ago how those 2, especially those two, were Chalabi’s biggest cheerleaders in Congress, back in ’98. Back when Regime Change got pushed and got on the books. They were totally enamored, quite cozy, his tag team partners. All on the same page on The Region.
But then, what do I know? The media keeps saying:
Lull lull lull….
there he goes again.
i was afraid I had to sign on to Pff and stick up for myself, but sabrina took care of it.
What a dip shit DBYron is.
The Winograd report on the Lebanon war is out and Olmert came through it unscathed.
It just should have been a better war:
They also concluded that the 11th hour bombing of Lebanon when Israel knew the UN resolution was coming was justified.
Same shit, different day.
MODERATE
Compared to who, I wonder?
Did anyone catch the interview with Mumsie (McCain) on Cspan last weekend? Quite intriguing.
She was asked about when she found out her son’s plane had been shot down in Vietnam. She said she and hubby went ahead with dinner party plans, kept it quiet throughout, and upon returning home got the word he was probably a captive, not dead. Until then, or close to that time, Mumsie thought he was dead. She went on to say that she called McCain’s young wife and said: I think he’s dead, dont you? Well, we had better just accept it.”
She then explained to the interviewer that she had seen how badly military wives took such news, and that she has always felt it is better to “fish or cut bait.” (No joke)
ie, Get over it. Skip those pesky phases of mourning. Even if its your husband or son.
He’s dead. Move on.
Wow.
#39. I disagree, sv.
Oppressions overlap. Or switch-hit. Some are more noticeable than others depending on circumstance. It’s hard to think of a more bald-faced example of this than all the finger-pointing between Hillary Clinton’s campaign and Obama’s campaign.
Ergo, I’m not going to tell anyone to pick and choose which is the primary oppression. I completely understand that nobody can take on every worth cause all at the same time. Okay. But that’s not the same as saying that I can prove I’ve been shat on the most and so I can say and do whatever I want without regard for the others who’ve been shat upon.
There have been huge brawls between blogs by White feminists and those by WOC (some of whom consider themselves feminists) in which the latter have tried to explain that commonalities between the two groups are not enough to erase the differences or grounds for glossing over the differences ALL THE TIME. I agree with that. The oppression olympics are an intellectual and spiritual dead end.
That NOW column was bullshit, and the language in it bordered on race-baiting if it wasn’t outright race-baiting.
McCain and Rudy on the same stage.
How much September 11 can you pack into one press conference?
catnip: #37
…I’ll say this for Nader and Kucinich: they both brought at least a semblance of what “progressivism” is supposed to be about to the public airwaves (as much as they could considering how they were so stifled by the corporate media…
Yeah, it’s funny how many times you have to remind people that there’s a direct connection between Nader’s alleged “disappearance” after 2000′s election and the fact that it suits the oligarchs nicely to pretend that reform is just a funny costume that we dress the clowns in every four years for a cheap laugh or two. :/
sabrina’s takedown of Mr. Stomach Flu on the afforementioned PFF thread is beautiful.
45 – NYCee
it always amazes me that people think that those running for Pretzeldent come from decent people. According to fairy tale, yeah. Not necessarily by reality.
She si welcome to deal with grief as she sees fit, but really it sounds like she is (and was) presenting herself as Stronger Than Thou: Not like those little enlisted wives who snivel and grieve and carry on in front of their [enlisted] chilluns.
And then look at what she produced.
I think I may write a diary on Andrea Dworkin’s views on the Palestinians and Israelis. It will piss off Moon, yourmomma and David Byron all at once.
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/IsraelI.html
My parents went out of their way to say “some Arabs,” to emphasize that there were good and bad people in every group; but in fact my education in the Jewish community made that caveat fairly meaningless. Arabs were primitive, uncivilized, violent. (My parents would never have accepted such characterizations of blacks.) Arabs hated and killed Jews. Really, I learned that Arabs were irredeemably evil. In all my travels through life, which were extensive, I never knew any Arabs: and ignorance is the best friend of prejudice.
It will piss off Moon, yourmomma and David Byron all at once.
A congealing fuckball fo a trifecta…
8)
Ed Koch on Rudy.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/koch-on-giulian.html
Florida’s voters “will drive a stake through his heart. The beast is dead.”
God. I agree with Ed Koch on something.
Some of the comments in that thread are priceless.
Poor Rudy..where will we get our hourly dose of 9/11 now? Actually, his defeat reminds me of 9/11. By the way, Rudy showed great courage in his loss tonight — much like on 9/11. No one can exploit a national tragedy for political purposes like Mr. 9/11…well, except for Mr. Bush.
I wouldn’t go as far as Ed Koch but I don’t know Giuliani personally. From this distant perch, I would agree that Giuliani represented something toxic and ugly in American politics and that frightening rictus that passed as a smile made me dread his candidacy. He should go back to running Giuliani partners with his ex priest pedophile friend and stay out of the limelight.
The word here in NYC is that Bloomberg is moving closer to running an indie campaign now that McCain, Clinton and Obama are rising.
Florida’s voters “will drive a stake through his heart. The beast is dead.”
Oooo…ouch. lol
Beast, indeed. A vampire sucking the very blood out of the memory of 9/11.
Looks like the Repubs all got nice tans in Fla.
McCain looks like he’d like to give Romney a smack upside the head.
Romney gets his ass handed to him on a plate by McCain. He should just crawl under his desk now.
But all we will hear from the media about either of them is:
moderate
LOL … I was listening to BBC Newshour this morning, and they were of course explaining the whole Rudy/McCain thing, and the reporter said something like (paraphrasing from memory), “now understand, they’re called ‘moderates’ in America, but anywhere else in the world they would be identified as solidly far right.”
Sooooo true.
Here’s who I’d vote for.
whatever happened to Cindy Sheehan and her challenge to Nancy Pelosi?
Here’s her Campaign website. She posts at After Downing St once or twice a week, and I think I’ve read at her being at several protests. She had a good piece up on MLK’s birthday. link.
Ergo, I’m not going to tell anyone to pick and choose which is the primary oppression.
Which is why I, like our hostess, call myself a humanist. Depending on the time, the place, the person, all oppressions which denegrate a group of people, or a single person, based solely on some characteristic that brands them OTHER are crimes against humanity, and should be opposed.
The problem w/ the whole black vs female BS that is being pushed is that neither candidate, regardless of the meatsuit they walk around in, is interested in doing anything for EITHER group, let alone the poor, American Indians, undocumented workers, the uninsured et cetera, et cetera. They are two tools of money and power who care only about money and power.
Slander, Murder and Sixty Minutes: The Establishment Consensus on Iraq
Anderson showing the Ark of the Covenant, Reagan’s diary, but afraid to touch it.
Anderson showing the Ark of the Covenant, Reagan’s diary, but afraid to touch it.
That was a pathetic moment. And then he cut off Paul while he allowed McCain to ramble.
Romney: “unequivocably” wtf?
unequivocobubbely – going for the Bush/glossolalia vote?
There are safe havens for Hezbollah in Iraq?? Romney’s losing it.
Oh he just makes it up as he goes along. Pretty soon he’ll repeat that Saddam wouldn’t let the inspectors in, which casued the war – a lie he peddles every damn time and no reporter ever calls him on it.
Food fight over Iraq! Finally – some proof of life on that stage.
laying in the weeds? wtf
Madman, I hope it didn’t seem like I was trying to jump down sv’s throat or something. I do hate the one-dimensional critique of feminism that misogynists love to trot out. Oh, it’s all about middle class bourgeois White women yadda yadda. Yeah, Boys. Like the internet isn’t all about the middle class, or like misogyny went out with the (literal) caveman and isn’t being nurtured and perpetuated by middle-class White men.
But sadie_sabot in the LJ column wasn’t saying that’s all of feminism. She was saying that unfortunately there are some women who think that’s all there is to it. I’m happy to call myself a feminist but given how many carnival barkers in skirts there are out there (ie– Pandagon, MSOC, etc.) I’m not going to treat it as the beginning and end of political dialogue. Frankly if somebody does worthy work and is trustworthy they can call themselves three-eyed purple-haired tap-dancing ferrets for all I care.
“The Washington Post gave you 3 Pinocchios for it.” lol
Oh stop making sense, Paul. Sheesh.
Josh Marshall doing some funny riffs on the R debate at Talkingpointsmemo.com
74 Don’t worry. Those stray shards of reality will be swept up in a moment – the circus must go on.
Romney almost casually elevates Al Qaeda to the status of one of the four great powers in his imaginary world, along with “the oil countries,” China, and the US, which he describes as the only major power standing for democracy.
So where does that leave Europe, India, Australia, etc? They are not of the same global significance as Al Qaeda? They don’t believe in democracy?
This is the same old Manichaenism on steroids.
Just heard/saw the Caroline Kennedy ad for Obama, running in a spot on my local evening noooz.
OK, I just tuned into this mess, and I promise I’ll read upthread shortly, but before I do anything remotely rational at all, I need to know why the FUCK these war-loving MARTIANS are sitting in front of a goddamned AIRPLANE?
And if it’s supposed to be a pilot interview for the United States Air Ship of State, why didn’t they just go on ahead and put bombs on the side of it, too?
But I’d like to note, for the record and on behalf of the HUMAN race – aka EVERYBODY, HELLO? – that the only applause I’ve heard so far was for Ron Paul’s bit of chat about the Constitution and DECLARED War.
Let’s everybody track BACK just a fucking TAD and start there!
Holy shit, this is such a fucking Grand American Rerun.
Holy moly an outburst of Ronald Reaganitis. My counter is broken but I estimate Romney said RR 25 times in three minutes.
NYCee at 45: Barbara II.
77. Not only that, he forgot Poland!
And thanks for the info. Have been wondering about Mumsie, but lacked the stomach to look.
Appreciate the nougatized version!
Ahnold endorsing McCain. Armageddon’s definitely on the way.
Aaargh – Arnie’s endorsing McCain?
God, and Rudy on the same day!
I see a consensus forming: Famous Creeps for Caspar the Chemically Friendly Kewpie Ghost!
Did I leave out War-Mongering and Murderous?
Typing too fast – sorrrrrrry!
oh, I didn’t think you were, ms. x.
84 – Armageddon? Whatever, Bible Readers! As long as it’s Apocalypse Now, Again, and Forever!
100 MORE YEARS! 100 MORE YEARS! 100 MORE YEARS!
Probably a bad idea I tuned in to the GOP Debate. . . .
Apologies, Opera Fans and Popcorn Enthusiasts, for the outburst and eye-swatting typography.
I’ll reserve the right to air my ire for certain other topics and subjects for another day and another hour.
For example, certain InFamous Creeps Who Lurk and Feed and then (Smarter Yet? Still Reading?) SHIT all over Marisacat’s Internet Name and Reputation, All For their Own UNFATHOMABLY Shallow, PUERILE, and – ye$$$$$ – Commercial Reasons.
That sort of thing.
OK? Thanx!
(Didn’t know I could speak MSOC, didja?)
How do you say – carry on!
61, MitM: I’ve always thought that Cindy needs to get in touch with Chris Daly, who has a very good GOTV operation in District 6 and is always happy to take on the Brown-Burton Machine. Obviously, she’s not going to win, but I think she could get 40% (thus embarrassing Pelosi) if she succeeded in capturing the imagination of the City’s progressive wing. My guess is that she needs to expand her campaign beyond Iraq, to encompass such issues as that Howard Jarvis initiative that would end rent control (which is on the ballot in June, when no-one votes), displacement of blacks from the Bay View, lack of affordable housing, etc.
Also: major props to HCfM for that interchange with the undercover Kos kop. I very much enjoyed reading it.
ms. x, no disrespect intended to you in my comment, I was reacting to a pet peeve of mine. I don’t want to bore everyone here with a big essay about feminism, so suffice it to say that the “feminism is for upper middle class white women” and “I’m a humanist, not a feminist”* bullshit is EXACTLY like the DKos mantra “I’m a progressive, sure, but not one of those icky dirty hippies, peaceniks or lesbian Gloria Steinem types.”
As for the “women of color” and underclass thing. that was fomented by all the PC academics who get off on creating subsets and subsubsets and subsubsubsets of schools of thought, which is OK for academia (makework for PhD candidates) but sucks shit in terms of reflecting actual reality.
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* MCat, I’m not talking about you, I don’t know what your original comment was. I’m talking about dipshits like “tryptamine” on DKos, who said basically “My problem with feminism is – what about the poor men? Don’t they get to be liberated too?”
62. MitM:
Quite right. Thought it must be said that there’s a crowdpleasing Guinness Book of World Records cachet regarding the “first black/woman president”. And the societal impact of either would be huge. The sight of such a thing would cause a seismic shift in perception. However that doesn’t necessarily mean any real change in attitude or policy. They will be blacks/women channeling white men. We old folks remember Maggie Thatcher saying “What has feminism done for me?”
sv:
Huh ? I think there are some women of color out there who would disagree with you. Even the generally sympathetic looks at feminist history like HBO’s Iron Jawed Angels from a few years back acknowledge that Black women were either ignored or relegated to the back row through much of the movement’s history. It’s no more detached from reality to say that feminism in the U.S. has grown under the shadow of racism than it would be to say that about most movements. We live in a society founded on all those “isms” and I can think of no movement that succeeded in creating a utopia where nobody was subject to them, at least some of the time.
[shrug] I have a college degree, but my education was largely apolitical, at least up front. I don’t really think of myself as being an academic just because I’ve picked at bits and pieces of the texts on occasion. Sort of like I do paperwork in an office in a factory but don’t really think that makes me a factory worker in the literal sense.
There are some excellent blogs out there like Egotistical Whining and La Chola that talk at length about the intersecting of multiple oppressions. I don’t read them as often as I should, though.
#94– Polly J. Harvey sort of feels the same way as Thatcher but at least she’s contriubuted something to the culture other than death, graft and poverty. :p
From NYT
ms x: I think there are some women of color out there who would disagree with you.
Most likely they are unaware of the history of the movement. Just like the vast majority of white people are. This lack of knowledge leads them to be easily manipulated.
97, BHHM: wow, my opinion of the NYT has risen – I like the fact that “sumptuous midnight banquet” and “stranglehold” are in the same paragraph.
97-it is the news of the hour and the only weird and fascinating thing I came across today
I left out the money shot from above
Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom…..
Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.
To The Escape Pods! LMAO…sighing
Big showy foundations fronting for big showy people are just that, fronts. Shells, sieves… foundations are barely looked at closely… and under no requirement to spend other than a small percentage each year on their stated charity/ies.
but it is plainly weird. Borat the Vote?
sv. I can’t agree with you on this one. The country is steeped in racism as surely as it’s steeped in sexism. Nobody was, or is, immune.
If anyone’s interested, there’s an interesting excerpt about race and suffrage here.
There were always White feminists who tried to bridge the racial gap but the current schisms in the women’s movement are testimony enough that A) They were never the majority of White feminists and B) Attacking a single oppression in a one-size-fits-all fashion doesn’t end oppression for everyone who has suffered under it.
“Belvis” endorses Hillary. lol
haven’t had a chance to read the NYT piece yet but newsweek has an Isikoff piece in the Feb 4th issue that’s been online a day or two. not sure if someone already linked it, but It covers some of the same ground and also has a few other Friends of Bill.
Here an F.O.B., There an F.O.B.
My guess is that she needs to expand her campaign beyond Iraq,
I think she’s going to. From the MLK b-day post:
completely off politics, but I was pretty thrilled to realize that Shelby Lynne’s new disc came out Tuesday. One of my fav singers.
I remember reading her (sheehan’s) MLK day piece now. The whole thing is so rigged against Hunter’s Point, has been for years. AND the Supervisor from that district is no help. Last I caught her on camerea she was saying there is no toxic problem from materials being kicked up….
AND the sports team, in my estimation, WILL be leaving the City.
I would be thrilled if Cindy took over 30%. Running against a machine as entrenched and wealthy as Pelosi’s is pretty daunting, but a strong run would be a slap, might weaken her enough for someone to challenge her for the Speaker’s chair.
It sounds, at least from that piece, that Sheehan sees it would have to be a grassroots run, hooked into local activists. I have no idea if that is actually going on.
101–don’t you think this is way outta left field?
goddess knows I can’t stand the Clintons, but this kind of story coming up in the nyt, at this time, in this peculiar season…..
It smells a little.
Ha’aretz Rates the Candidates
Snipping out the order and rankings:
Ha’aretz’ “reasoning, with snarky commentary, is included in the piece, fwiw.
I have a link from Antiwar that just went to spam, I think.
Thanks bayprarie I missed the Newsweek. I bagged them a while ago.
Not your words BP, I know,
But The whole “Friends of Bill” meme is softball I think…
It’s, well, —friendly….
We really live in a legally structured Feudal society with these These Foundations, 501 (c) s and a whole host of other money sheltering scams etc.. with the Fuedal vassals on retainer contained therein….The Clinton Library is a scam, NOW is being pimped out by a married couple — what progress…And on and on, in endless permutations of the old church, union, and Fire Hall scam, but with better catering…
One of my favorites is the Horse Farm conservancy easement scam where the jodhpur set “agrees” by conservation easement to not put a McDonalds in by the swimming pool or museum quality, heated, collector car garage in exchange for tax credits….Good for the air don’t cha know, good to see what the biggest beneficiaries of Coporate Global Warmers are doing for US, the little people.
sorry Madman, jsut got it out of Spam.
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Well I think BillHillPill’s Foundation should get looked at. To the extend that it can…. Hell they want an end run around the 22nd Amendment. CLEARLY scams related to the Presidential library, issues and donations is not enough for them, they need the big “Giving” modesty curtain. The whole thing is a joke.
25 years ago I threw something when I read that the Hoo Hoo of Bahrain (iirc) had given 7 mil to Jimmy’s Library. And at least he has tried to do some good. Some.
Just as Obama and Rezko need a good airing out. LOL My guess that will trickle down to the R to really illuminate.
At the bottom of the heap? Yes, it’s Barack Obama with a 5
———– Ha’aretz via Madman
sounds like they did not appreciate the 23 minute conf call fro help from obama, the other day.
105 ms x:
What did I say that would lead you to think otherwise?
Why would my support of fighting sexism indicate that I don’t also fight against racism?
The quote you cite is typical pseudo-academic claptrap with a political agenda. The authors cite vague allegations about the suffragists with no reference to fact.
The ideal of feminism, like the ideal of the equality of all the races of humanity, is part of the Enlightenment.
LOL a website to help people walk away from foreclosure…
The Independent has a handy chart of the upcoming primaries and darn! my printer is out of ink. I might just have to crochet myself a copy.
Btw, who’s the genius who scheduled Thursday nite’s Dem debate against the 2 hr return of Lost? [insert pun here]
yeah thats why i didnt post the link sunday (or whenever?) ::::needs cerebral needles 2:::
anyway its deja vu all over again! entertainment tonight steak with whitewater gravy. you won’t hear a peep about sybil edmunds but bill and his horse trading shady dealing crank the presses. i don’t have a lot of sympthay though. only contempt for him and the press.
a vote for hillary is a vote for bill!
and IB? thats a vera good MEsock.
goddess knows I can’t stand the Clintons, but this kind of story coming up in the nyt, at this time, in this peculiar season…..
It smells a little.
Isn’t this a prime time to publish it?
112 Miss Dee , re the Clinton NYT Story
…don’t you think this is way outta left field?… but this kind of story coming up in the nyt, at this time, in this peculiar season…..It smells a little.–Miss D
On the FP of the Hill endorsing NYT? I realize the separation of the Ed Board and the National Desk, but it’s hard to make the axe-grinding case, methinks, even if the scoop was of that origin…
As BP noted, Isikoff is already poking around into the Clinton ex-officio money bonanza,actually from another angle think…
What matters is if the NYT story is legit…Not that the NYT should get a free pass or couldn’t blow it as they – with others- have done before…
Along other lines– True or not, the BlowJob, the “Vince Foster murdered” claim, along with other perceived-as-sensational or over- (ahem) blown claims promotes the over-arching “Clinton as Altruistic Competent Administrator Myth”. It also shields them from an inner truth::: that, really, they’ve really been deal making, self serving hacks on the make, and have been all along. And quite the “get-overs” at it..The Clintons-as-Victims shit is really a hoot…
Every Day the VRWCT shit is talked about, it blurs in with Jerry Springer among otherwise perceptive people. Not saying it’s not there anatomically, but physiologically, in function–Every Day THAT shit is talked about is a day NAFTA and Clinton’s “Do Whatever the Fuck You Want” Record to Banks, Financial institutions, and monied syndicates is ignored..
Not hard to see,as the market and banks now nosedive, that Goldman Sachs ex-Chair, Former Jersey Sen/ now Jersey Gov.Corzine absolutley gushes about Bill and Hill…No, I think the Billary D’s and the Bushite GOP need to “go halfsies” on the economy..as they truly desreve to on a criminal war…
The NYT article to me reeks that Clinton have a personal stake WRT winners and losers in the Russian, ME , Central Asian, and supply to India Oil and Gas WAR.
Chelsea will be left well situated indeed…..
What smells to me is the Clinton Foundation, the Library, the Archives, which, like Poppy B’s,- has the most onerous policies and restricted access to Presidential archivist researchers going…
Not naive here while saying this, but Jerry Ford or Jimmy Carter they’re not. They make even ex-officio Nixon and Reagan look positiveley Amish in their self serving indulgence.
Me no likey da Clinton….along with the rest…
Apologies to BP for missing your link as well.
This is disturbing in more ways that one:
The anti-abortion terrorists have won on that front.
Apologies to BP for missing your link as well.
well thats just it, you didnt miss it. i just put it up as mate to the NYT piece. i had thought about linking la newsweek earlier in the week but then went “hmmmm. nah. its newsweek!” still though with the NYT piece appearing its interesting that its suddenly an item of interest at two of the major organs.
orchestra warming up?
Well then apologies for being clueless.
OOOh Link mating.
Bayprarie on Clinton Fate in the Media…
orchestra warming up?- Bayprarie
Definitely, Sooner or later ,…inevitably so…I bet the the various Media Co.’s have some internal financial projections on their books, some where under Projected Revenues , maybe under Ass Clown Receivables, something under “Clinton”, the corporate ( and media) gift that keeps on giving as it were….
A link I couldn’t pass up, off the FP of NYT
And Blessed Are the Singing, Pole-Dancing Fetishists
sv, #118.
Well, then color me baffled. I still don’t understand your problem with my original link. Particularly since, so far as I know, sadie_sabot isn’t part of the humanist-not-feminist camp. (Shrug) Fine. I’ll be a “pseudo-academic.” Whatever. I didn’t quote fucking Ann Coulter but a pair of writers genuinely interested in feminism, not in throwing it out wholesale. Critiquing does not automatically equal a call for wholesale disposal.
I stand by my original assertion that Pappas’ defense of Hillary is a crock of shit. By my standards at least, Hillary is no more a feminist because she takes NOW’s money than I am a concert cellist because I own some Dvorak quartets on CD. I haven’t really got anything else to say about that.
peeder: Israeli gov’t apologist
And Blessed Are the Singing, Pole-Dancing Fetishists
Oh, that’s an actual title? I thought you’d made it up.
welp, we’ll see. i just googled “clinton Giustra” and only got six hits. but the NYT piece has already been been picked up by MSNBC. i bet it’ll make some more late editions today and of course it’s up at drudge. whats interesting though is there’s a story behind a paywall with the dateline of Jan 17. the text visible at google says
but if one follows the link all you get in front of the paywall is
clinton-giustra sutainable growth initiative. nice.
a vote for ma kettle is a vote for pa!
Catnip, that link of yours was irresistable too
I actually checked in at the FleshFeast Check-point.
Here’s a story about Guistra and Bill. I’ve never heard of him.
And: Vancouver’s Frank Giustra is donating $100 million to a Latin American sustainability project headed by former U.S. president Bill Clinton
Just google Frank Guistra…
If we don’t watch out, soon peeder will be erecting his own little wall to keep out the undesirables.
paging Frank Guistra in moderation…you’re wanted on the white courtesy phone.
from the pappas piece
hardly a disinterested opinion.
SORRY! Catnip out of spam…
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Lemme repeat, I posted the Pappas a couple days ago FOR HER CHECK LIST of failures from Ted Kennedy…
I applaud all splits and vengeful cage matches in the party. Any and all, I don’t care how odd, or fringe or emotional or reactionary or or or.
Fuck em all.
NOW (National, Gandy) STUPIDLY endorsed Hillary over a year ago. Geesh, can they get more compliant. Prolly just followed Emily’s List which, afaiac, will give money to any woman running who can SPELL abortion…
late nite bad html disorder once again rears its ugly head…
BP I was checking around too, crickets at CNN WaPo Politico thus far about the NYT/Newsweek WRT Bill Slush money…Funny because WaPo owns Newsweek IIRC…
As an eyebrow raiser , it almost looks like somebody pulled a string to have a WaPo piece featured on a Gorby Foundation Fete in London
Hmmm.
Hmm the fuck indeed. The fucking link is gone..
Fuck its plain gone on another tab while I’m writing on this one, let me refresh the screen again and look…Here it is
Jesus they actually had it as one of the lesser Bold point Headers and have backed off into a smaller link as “Other Headlines” in the time I started to write this comment…
heading for the aluminum foil…LOL
Mcat sorry. Could you please fix my HTML link in 142. I never make mistakes see, catnip sneezed on me and…LOL
SORRY! Here, let me try again, the link I put up on the confounding Gorby Foundation Moneymen Fete Story was wrong all the way around
Link
Hopefully this works..
I didn’t think there was much substance to that Newsweek bit about the Clinton/Guistra connection. It seemed rather weak.
Thanks mcat..
(But really, something should be done about the others)– LOL.
catnip sneezed on me
Don your full body condom! This could get ugly.
And who was it who proposed granting China the “most favoured nation” status?
No one’s hands are clean in that realm – not the Dems or the Republicans.
And I don;t know wtf the NYT is on about when Bush hosted Kzahkstan’s presdient at the WH in Sept 2006. (Whitehouse site lnk).
So how exactly did Clinton “undercut Amercian foreign policy” ?
I think we practically live in a “Post SmokingGun” era WRT white collar corporate scams…or as someone put it here the crime is the fact that alot of the shit can cloaked with legality…ness…
LOL catnip
But the whole thing is they’re all armpit deep in the feeding trough..
With armies and aircraft sorties at their call..
Funny, with truth in jest.
How could Hillary NOT know about this? (18+ / 0-)
BC: “Hey, Hillary, I’ll see ya later. I gotta fly to Kazakstan.”
HRC: “What for?”
BC: “Oh…nuthin’”
Yea, that’s gonna fly.
The Republicans won’t run against Hillary Clinton. They’ll run against Bill.
by DemocraticOz on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 09:53:50 PM PST
You must be joking!!! Now who is singing Hallelujahs????
well I certainly DO agree that this is a fortuitously well timed “leak” or uncovering or whatever for the forces lining up against Hill.
I have never seen a really definitive comemntary on where they spend their nights. There are refernces they hardly live together for lengths of time… I assume she is largely in DC or NYC… and I would think Bill has some condo tuckd away somewhere a bit out of the way in NYC…
they have several houses…
Well it can be officially called a kerfluflle, certainly…
A sampling from the heading ttowards a thousand
comment rec list piece
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The story… (8+ / 0-)
The story seems to indicate that Clinton used AIDS work as a cover.
(-2.75, -4.92) | Barack Obama 2008: Yes, we can.
by Addison on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 09:57:30 PM PST
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That is COMPLETELY disgusting. (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
jkennerl, Patricia Taylor, Nick Blas, kyril
Just totally and completely off the charts cruel.
I HAVE FRIENDS WHO DIED OF AIDS, BILL!
The Republicans won’t run against Hillary Clinton. They’ll run against Bill.
by DemocraticOz on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:02:52 PM PST
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Sigh (5+ / 0-)
Don’t go there. There is nothing in the story to indicate such a thing. Seriously.
I’m not a fan of Mr. Bill lately but I’m not going to go out on a limb and say he’s using AIDS as a cover for nefarious schemes.
That’s just silly.
No, I just read it somewhere. – Tom Stoppard
by BettyPageisaBlonde on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:11:28 PM PST
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Uh… (4+ / 0-)
Obviously this is from the NYT story:
“”"”The publicly stated reason for the visit was to announce a Clinton Foundation agreement that enabled the government to buy discounted AIDS drugs. But during a news conference, Mr. Clinton wandered into delicate territory by commending Mr. Nazarbayev for “opening up the social and political life of your country.”"”"”
The use of “cover” as the word to describe it is probably way too loaded though…
(-2.75, -4.92) | Barack Obama 2008: Yes, we can.
by Addison on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:15:25 PM PST
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Wow, just wow (2+ / 0-)
“I may have fucked my life up flatter than hammered shit, but I stand here before you today beholden to no human cocksucker.”
by John R on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:37:21 PM PST
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Will Congress look into it? (2+ / 0-)
If it was a Republican, they’d be holding hearings next month, putting everyone under oath. We all know that.
by Lois on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 10:29:05 PM PST
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Joementum can if he wants to (1+ / 0-)
He is the chair of the Government Oversight Committee, which could feasibly hold hearings into this. For once, I’d be happy if Joementum decided to hold hearings. We need to get this out before the convention, and give the party a chance to nominate somebody not burned by this toxic garbage.
by The Bagof Health and Politics on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 11:59:16 PM PST
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just a thread………….
LINK
oh gee…
did some poor soul think that AIDS in AFrica (from the big shit, big ‘see me hear me roar’ as I ‘appear to save black lives on the other side of the world’ charity shits) was
ANYTHING BUT A COVER?
Nothin yet on MSNBC that ,BTW has Brrrrrreaking!! that Britney taken to hospital again…Nothing on CNN, No CNN, No WaPo, – Crickets….God the Clinton Ops have to be scrambling their ass off to keep this out of the news cycle to get past tonight’s debates hoping it gets lost in the weekend Go Team! wash… If it doesn’t get traction till Monday it won’t till after Super Dupe-er. It’ll seem like a pot shot. I’d buy Fruit of the Loom and Hanes Undie Futures as soon as the markets open today..That is, if I believed in them—.why, clean markets of course…
BP at 121 – thats a vera good MEsock.
Shucks.
I’d like to thank the Academy for this great honor, but I owe my inspiration to a pinche (too many) of CNN, Orange Clockworks, and Projectile Stomach Flu.