I think I’d like presidential campaign politics more if the stakes were a little higher.
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I think there should be conseuqences. There was this campaign in aught-four, “Vote or Die,” which curiously enough involved Puff Daddy but not any actual death. Couldn’t we reinvent it for the candidates themselves? Win . . . Or Die. I mean, if Hillary Clinton got to drag Edwards out back by his hair and pistol-whip him to death as punishment for his concession, you can bet your ass he’d've run a better campaign. If John McCain were allowed to feast on the palpitating heart of Rudy Giuliani and absorb his life energy rather than getting some bland statement of support on some tacky dais, well, fuck. I might renew my registration.
Fired up the Bar B Q, Ready to go!
Does a nation that now tortures and shreds its beautiful Constitution without its population taking to the streets in massive numbers to protest deserve better candidates than these?
Actually, no.
Hard to get either more grasping or emptier.
The one that pulled in the mega bucks for Jan, 32 million, I read at least one report that stated the money means he is a movement.
Good luck to America.
New post: Gaming the Afghanistan War for Political Power. Now I have to warm up my hands…
On the other hand, they probably deserve a better moderator than Wolf.
Learned something new at Wiki, assuming the bio facts are true:
I have read that before so I assume th bulk of it, all of it, is true.
LOL Well you know, vetted by AIPAC, just like the pols…
have to laugh.
Some interestingly nasty stuff is coming out about Bill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-love/the-wellconnected-dictat_b_67423.html
I have to admit it’s going to be fun to watch the Republican attack machine go to work on the Clintons this fall.
The fact that McCain probably can’t win will only bring out their mean side.
And apparently Ron Paul too
Representative Ron Paul placed the Richardson editorial in the Congressional Record, and was one of several members of Congress to introduce resolutions benefiting the Kazakhstan regime.
I don’t really go for the blood-and-guts thing.
Now if they all had to perform karaoke, maybe. John Edwards forced to sing to Obama “Did I Ever Tell You You’re My Hero…” now that would be great.
And somebody should totally resurrect “You Ain’t Worth The Salt In My Tears.” An underrated 80s should-be classic….
John Edwards forced to sing to Obama “Did I Ever Tell You You’re My Hero…” now that would be great.
Maybe Rudy can sing Beck’s “I’m a Loser Baby So Why Don’t You Kill Me” then have Ed Koch jump out from behind the stage with a wooden stake and put it right in Rudy’s heart.
Nah, HC. Singing + blood would equal Sondheim. I was never much into Sondheim. I mean, I appreciate that he’s talented but he’s not really my cup of borscht.
Good piece, catnip. But FYI, BushCo are drawing down on drawing down from Iraq, as we speak. Who knows what they’ll be drawing, by July.
HC – Quite the picture show. BTW, I noticed an old pic of Bill C. and Suharto at Yahoo News “Most Viewed” page the other day, and wondered who had driven the traffic.
Also at Huffpo, there’s an excerpt from the Washington Times about Obama and pot decriminalization, indicating flip-floppery.
Guess we’ll have to watch out for accidental semaphore tonight.
And Hillary: “Did I Shave My Legs For This?”
But FYI, BushCo are drawing down on drawing down from Iraq, as we speak.
Yeah, I saw a version of that story as well but thanks.
I think that bit of propaganda in his SOTU about troops coming home was meant to give him some sort of boost – as if anything could these days.
Catnip, as a patriotic Canadian I’m surprised you didn’t opt for “(If You) Shave Your Legs” by The Pursuit of Happiness.
BTW, I was listening to some pilfered Frantics stuff yesterday and was alarmed by the sheer number of Alberta jokes. They make it sound like New Jersey only with cowboy hats and more snow. :/
Catnip, as a patriotic Canadian I’m surprised you didn’t opt for “(If You) Shave Your Legs” by The Pursuit of Happiness.
Never heard of it. I’m obviously un-Canadian.
Heads will explode at dkos. Take cover!
I like the karaoke idea, but could it include a gymnastics component, too?
Hurdles, balance beams, parallel bars, hoops of fire . . .
Why not make literal the contortions required for attaining political office?
Obama: Rumsfeld in Mainstream, Praises Bush’s Appointments
That almost made MY head explode.
Come on Barack, you’re a lawyer. What part of scum sucking war criminal pond scum don’t you understand?
Well in that case, IB, which party would end up with “Tears of a Clown ?” Not to mention “Whiter Shade of Pale.”
they all/both win for “Send in the Clowns”.
Up thread, is that the 2001 interview where Obama calls Rummy mainstream? I got a huge kick out of the threads on that yesterday… what a hoot!
The MOST amusing thing is watching so called liberals so called whatever defend the stupid/dumb/RIGHT WING shit their beloveds parsed or accepted or supported or embraced or wanted to be like.
God it gets old.
18 & 19. His supporters are writing it off as “oh c’mon now – nobody knew Rummy was all that bad in 2001. Over here! Look at Hillary! She’s teh evil.”
What planet are they on? And what about Obama’s confidence in other Bush appointees or his confidence that Bush would actually know what the hell he was doing in the first place??
Well in that case, IB, which party would end up with “Tears of a Clown ?” Not to mention “Whiter Shade of Pale.”
I could think of a certain Elton John song for Hillary but it would probably put me in David Byron territory.
But how about this song for them all?
Tough call, ms x.
Might I propose a preemptive ban on Helen Reddy or Sly Stone material?
Or is it already too late?
How soon they forget this pic.
Phew! Looks like I’ll get to watch Lost after this after all.
The debate: train wreck
Lost: plane wreck
Hillary as Kim Gordon and Obama as Chuck D?
I could think of a certain Elton John song for Hillary but it would probably put me in David Byron territory. — HC
LOL don’t hold back.
It’s all right with me, IB. But remember any candidate I vote for will probably be relegated to Rage Against the Machine or something similar. Which would be all right except does it really go with sequins.
Mcat, I know what you mean. It’s the pretense of morality that ticks me off. Like that yutz who was arguing and yet not arguing with HC the other day about Obama. They don’t have a moral leg to stand on as long as they condone that type of shit in any form. All I could think of after awhile was the Black Knight bit from Monty Python, except that in this case HC’s opponent pretty much pre-emptively cut off his own limbs instead of waiting around for somebody else to do it.
Bah.
The Bitch is Back?
Cuz you got to have fri-ends… Sing it, Obama!
Like that yutz who was arguing and yet not arguing with HC the other day about Obama.
Very strange how Sabrina and I both caught onto the style of arguing. Well maybe not so strange. It’s so obvious.
It’s arguing by refusing to argue. Sort of “well you people are all just a bunch of anti-semites and anti-Israel third party voting purists so I’m not going to lower myself by arguing with you. I’m just going to spend 4 hours throwing shit”.
It gets old after awhile but not for you for them. How often can you box yourself in without even trying to defend your position.
Obama: “I’ll take the high road and you take the low road and I’ll get to the WH before ye…”
32. Who was that, HC?
On second thought, comparing Hillary to Kim Gordon and Obama to Chuck D is insulting to Kim Gordon and Chuck D.
Obama’s closer to American Idol. Perfect look. Perfect grooming. Superficially charming. Empty inside.
32. Who was that, HC?
Your Momma and Moon. I have yet to make a decision about whether or not they’re the same person or just reading from the same script.
But the manic personal attacks, spasms of violence and profanity and semi-stalker behavior are something they really have in common.
Oh yay. A policy differences question.
Your Momma and Moon
Both nutbars. I just ignore them.
sad how “universal healthcare” has become “forced unafforable individual insurance”, aint’ it?
“preconditions” – no doubt that’s the Bush stance on Iran she’s talking about.
39. You got that right, MitM.
Is Hillary calling for subsidies for people who would be mandated to buy health insurance?
Well in that case, IB, which party would end up with “Tears of a Clown ?” Not to mention “Whiter Shade of Pale.”
Both parties could both use Backstabbers.
Did that ethics bill pass? I can’t remember.
How about one for Michael Mukasy?
We actually have mandated health care coverage in Alberta – just one of three provinces, I think, that charges premiums (which is ridiculous considering how wealthy this place is but that’s what you get from a never-ending Conservative regime). They’re subsidized for low-income people and no one ever is ever refused care if they can’t pay their bill.
they’re arguing over who can make more people pay for something they can’t afford.
Hey, Barack, you won’t reduce premiums UNTIL YOU TAKE THE PROFIT MOTIVE OUT OF IT.
Fucking moron.
“Ted Kennedy”. Drink!
Interesting watching them angle, in turns, to raid Edwards’ sacrificial basket for maximum voter goodies.
Like people (besides political junkies) are going to watch that on C-SPAN? Good luck with that.
Hey, Barack, you won’t reduce premiums UNTIL YOU TAKE THE PROFIT MOTIVE OUT OF IT.
Neither one of them has a proposal that will work effectively if they can’t strong arm the insurance/medical interests. And that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
On second thought, comparing Hillary to Kim Gordon and Obama to Chuck D is insulting to Kim Gordon and Chuck D.
and “Cool Thing” is such a great song.
Maybe Cynthia could use it.
and “Cool Thing” is such a great song.
Hey Obama. Are you going to save us girls from male, white corporate oppression?
Ted Kennedy has worked hard on health care issues?
When?
The only time I’ve seen my Senator “work hard” these last few years is when the state tried to erect some wind turbines off the Hyannis coast, thus marring his lovely view. Oh, man did he work hard to stop that.
I had to mute this mess to listen to Cool Thing.
Back to the idiocy.
oh no, the “flood of immigrant labor”!!!!
Americans are so fucking stupid. Like rabid dogs chasing the whistle.
Touchy question: pitting blacks against Latinos on immigration.
oh no, the “flood of immigrant labor”!!!!
She obviously watches Lou Dobbs.
Geez this is boring. Bring back Seabiscuit!
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yeah. One thing I am tired to the bone with is how personal pique between pols (one things of Reid bitching at Bush, Reid cares little for the horror, he does nothing) predicates how stuff shakes down. But then action/reaction is sold to us as high minded liberal slobber.
liberal [cough choke spit] lion. he [cough choke strangle] cares so much
gahhhhhh.
32: Their purpose isn’t to convince you that Israel is in the right (that would only work if you believed that one race is superior to another and that walled ghettos and ethnic cleansing are morally justified). Their purpose is to disrupt discussion by clogging up diaries with stupid comments, pictures, etc.
Keep a close eye on the Sibel Edmonds diaries on dKos, btw. They’ve set their sites on those (check out Bouwerie Boy’s, MBNYC’s and Bush is the Devil’s efforts to derail discussion in those diaries), though they’ll have to be careful, as Edmonds is such a popular cause on that blog, and they risk losing their vaunted TU status if they lay on the disruption too thick.
and Clinton panders, while conveniently forgeting about WHO PASSED AND SIGNED NAFTA.
Time to crack open another beer.
“Ted Kennedy”
DRINK!
63. You beat me to it.
Hey, Wolf, just hand him a rapier and get it over with.
Geez … I bet he likes to stand on the sidewalk at yell “JUMP” at suicides.
I nodded off there during Obama’s latest drivel. Is he for driver’s licenses or not?
BTW, no immigrant should have to pay a fine to immigrate until white America pays reparations for slavery and before it fucking makes good on the Indian Trust.
67. Amen to that.
Hillary: stab stab
Obama: ouch ouch
Stevie Wonder’s there. k3wl, as the kids say.
For intermission, I offer this Dennis Perrin link:
Oh, and in honor of the last sentence I blockquoted from Perrin:
10cc – I Wanna Rule the World
ahhhh, 10cc, one of my favorite underrated bands …
They’re BOTH Gandhi. Amazing.
“Ted Kennedy”.
Drink!
Drink!
Double chugs for the Caroline plug!
damn, I missed a drink!
My DVR took over to record “Lost” (so much better w/o the commercials).
trying to get the fucking stream to work on cnn DOT com.
Hillary: Hey! I have Kennedys too, damnit!
I think she mentioned two of them.
Drink, drink! I should have splurged on a second bottle of wine.
big applause line of the nite: It might take a second Clinton to clean up after the second Bush.
The Clintons: just glorified janitors.
I threw up in my mouth a little when she said that, myself.
Did they only allow celebrities to attend this thing?
Every time they pan around the audience I feel like I’m watching the People’s Choice awards.
I feel like I’m watching the People’s Choice awards.
Same level of talent on the stage.
MitM,
Did you watch Lost last nite? I avoided the first hour because I didn’t want to watch the rerun but when I tuned into the second hour, I saw the added text by the producers as they followed the story line with the audience. I thought that was an interesting way to bring people up to speed and to add some substance to some of the clues.
Ask them about that big fucking embassy in Iraq, Wolf. What do they plan to do with that?
Did you watch Lost last nite?
Recorded it. I’m planning a marathon this weekend on the DVR. Both hours last nite, and tonite’s ep.
btw, if you can’t tell from the last comment and my admiration for 10cc, I have no life.
btw, if you can’t tell from the last comment and my admiration for 10cc, I have no life.
lol… I hear ya!
Doesn’t Hillary know about Bush’s recent signing statement about permanent bases? It sure didn’t sound like it.
Obama: I’m a mother-hugger.
Every time they pan around the audience I feel like I’m watching the People’s Choice awards.
No kidding. I guess with the writer’s strike they don’t have much else to do.
“American interests” = oil
Why not just say that, Obama?
pffft Hillary…you didn’t even read the NIE and weren’t inspectors already in Iraq at the time?
Wolfie gets booed…lol
Oh, Hillary … saying more words doesn’t make you less of an idiot.
To take a break from such a weak, stupid candidate, watch the Kate from “Lost” music video.
dear Crom, she’s fucking stupid.
I’m a moderately well-educated shmuck living in a small apt. w/ an internet connection, and I KNEW THE CASE AGAINST SADDAM WAS BULLSHIT.
Her vote on the war, as though the record of her and her husband’s record toadying up to corporations wasn’t enuff, is reason enuff for me to NEVER, EVER voter for her.
Wolf: Time to sell some SUVs and boner pills!
Hillary just lied again – saying that Saddam kicked the inspectors out in ’98. GMAFB.
Boo the Wolf, Hollywood! Boo the Wolf some more!
I thought she was almost winning this debate until that round about Iraq.
“I’m a moderately well-educated shmuck living in a small apt. w/ an internet connection, and I KNEW THE CASE AGAINST SADDAM WAS BULLSHIT.”
Agreed. I also knew that Bush was “obsessed” with this mission from the get-go. If I knew, and Madman knew, and so many others knew, how could Hillary and the rest of congress not know?
Who keeps telling her not to admit the vote was a mistake? Everyone already knows the vote was a mistake. Why bother denying it?
That the Clinton clean-up line got applause amazed me, personally.
“what their children is watching”
“earwaves”
Is Obama getting sleeeepy?
Who keeps telling her not to admit the vote was a mistake? Everyone already knows the vote was a mistake. Why bother denying it?
Always been a bit of a mystery to me too. Pull the tooth, already. Stop the pain.
Firestorm-setting Bill
LOL
a “sex and violence” question …
THIS is an important issue?!?!
I was reading “adult” books in junior high. I remember that I brought “Black Sunday” by Thomas Harris into my seventh grade English class for a book report that I wanted to do. My teacher refused to let me do that book (this was in the 70s) and gave me “Black Beauty” to read instead. I complained, she sent me to the principle, and my mother tore them both to shreds when she had to come in to hear about how “disruptive” I was.
We had one rule … if I wanted to read something, I had to be willing to describe the plot and contents of the book to my mom and dad. If I was too embarrassed to do that, I wasn’t ready to read it. It worked really well.
“no more yes men or women in the White House”.
well, that was nice to hear. wonder if he means it.
105. And look how you turned out! (kidding)
Oh, merde. I knew it. Our system is so bad that it’s made catnip fall off the wagon. I’m filled with shame. If only I’d gotten there with the macaroons on time. But no, I had to stop off at the MegaloMart for Ben & Jerry’s first.*
*not a paid endorsement
Madman:
…fucking moron.
Nah. It’s willful oblivion, which does take at least a smidge of intelligence to cultivate. And it trickles down in best Reagan fashion. From Obama pretending that compulsory insurance is humane to Your Momma pretending his advisors are humane isn’t a very big leap.
I haven’t picked a song for Cynthia yet. For Nader, only really old Joe Jackson* would do. Maybe “I Don’t Wanna’ Be Like That.”
oh, thank goodness THAT is over.
over at Grace Nearing’s blog:
I keep myself sane by imagining what Shirley Chisholm would say if someone transported her from 1972 to 2008 and sat her down in front of these candidates.
Obama and Clinton, put together, are like Xerox copies of Xerox copies of Xerox copies (… repeat 1000x …) of Xerox copies of her.
105. And look how you turned out! (kidding)
Oh, right … (pushes leather & rubber gear under the futon) … ummmm
never mind.
“Wolf: Time to sell some SUVs and boner pills!”
Promises, promises. All I got was an Obama commercial featuring Caroline Kennedy.
And I’ve run out of wine. Sniff.
All I got was an Obama commercial featuring Caroline Kennedy.
same diff …
…(pushes leather & rubber gear under the futon)…
HAH !! Busted Madman has a second job as an evangelical minister !!
114. lol
Busted Madman has a second job as an evangelical minister !!
DAMN … can’t sneak ANYTHING past you people!
Now where is that sweet little church secretary?
Dear zeus, could CNN have found a more pathetic crowd of hacks for their post-debate show?
switchin’ to Keith …
Stop me et cetera is on fire
weird endorsements file:
Volcker Joins List of Obama Backers
Ick.
[snerk] Think I saw that Perrin link via A Distant Ocean earlier today. I love the part where Perrin explains why he was declared unfit for the talking head circuit. I wish I could buy him a dish of ice cream.
I love the part where Perrin explains why he was declared unfit for the talking head circuit.
A point of pride, I would think.
“Depressingly stupid goddamn journalism”
Rachel Maddow v. Pat Buchanan coming up on MSNBC.
He just SO can’t handle her. .
Catnip …
omg … that is just so fucking funny
Bwahahaha !!! Just ducked into Pandagon long enough to skim Marcotte’s convolution fest about why Obama is better than Hilary.
Warning: Put down your food and/or drink before reading. Or take your cue from Gallagher and put some kind of (transparent) protective sheet over the computer first.
People with blue eyes are mutants.
(Mine are brown.)
Blue Eyed mutants… Sheesh catnip I coulda told you….That was the original Ole Blye Eyes, Uncle Ralph, he drove a 4000 BC Mastadon…
Rough thing, tough, that part of the family that got mixed in with the Hun..Nazi Bastards…
That was the original Ole Blye Eyes, Uncle Ralph, he drove a 4000 BC Mastadon…
I heard the 3000′s were a much better model.
Israeli reality TV series ‘Survivor’ causing ecological damage
Okay, first of all, who knew the Israelis had their own Survivor show? [insert various versions of that ironic fact here]…
Breaking via AP (no link yet…it’s on the Ha’aretz crawl): 08:51 Pakistan tests medium-range missile capable of carrying nuclear warhead (AP)
Now why would they be doing that and will Bush back his buddy over this one too?
Hillary: The Movie? Get that popcorn ready.
Just a thread:
LINK
Risen, ‘NYT’ Reporter, Gets Subpoena
Hmmm…
LOL catnip..
I missed the debate… I’m seeing here on the coverage reruns that I missed nothing…about the only thing that raised an eyebrow was what is normally a little standard pander line about trash and slasher films on TV…. I saw it as an opener for his surrogates, I bet they make a play over the weekend on THAT slop… That guy Giustra behind the Bill Brokered uranium Deal in Kazhakstan made a ton of dough on Lions Gate, maker of shitty chainsaw movies and such….
What a weak line of attack if they do it…. But not surprising at all…
NONE of these fuckers are going to touch the corrupt to the core Funny Money Shit funneled through , going on in Foundations, “Blind Trusts” , “Non-Profits”, Consultancies, etc..let alone the campaigns themselves where , Christ, even LOSERS like Shrumm have made personal fortunes on them…I bet Trippi is another hail fellow well met whose comfortable retirement is already assured.
He who lives in Glass houses and all that… …