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Here a coalition, there a coalition… 11 February 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Beirut, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Iraq War, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.
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The jackhammers have returned… [strangle] so I am splitting the difference and making use of a really good diary from Market Trustee, looking at the split coalition issues in this series of primaries and caucuses between O and H…  MT offers some interesting choices for resolution, on BO’s part…

oh that split coalition, he’s got some, she’s got some… and this is yet again a nasty run…  is giving the party some daytime nightmares.  ;)

Just links, as these are not new (from the time of his AIPAC speech last year), but this is a good place to park them…. How Obama left the Middle Easterners in his district, and their issues, behind… and moved on to seek succor from Jewish donors. 

How Barack Obama learned to love Israel
Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada, 4 March 2007

Barack Obama’s Middle East Surge
by James Cross / March 4th 2007 

It’s an old story.  They’ve all got their bended knee obeisance to AIPAC/Israel on the record – hell, they flew Kerry out to Masada so he could pledge his fealty at dawn… doesn’t make it RIGHT tho.

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1. marisacat - 11 February 2008

LOL Jebbie! endorsed McCain:

“John McCain is a patriot and devoted conservative leader. Like no other candidate in the field, John McCain has made tremendous sacrifices for this nation. He is beholden to no interest other than that of the public good. He is determined and steadfast in his commitment to reducing the burden of high taxes, restoring the people’s trust in their government, and winning the war against radical Islamic extremists. It is with pride that I announce my endorsement of John McCain for president.”

LOL he’s a BOY SCOUT! Determined, devoted, steadfast and! he will win the war agaisnt the Islamofascists.

Lights fires in the forest, as needed…………….

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

John “Lucy” Conyers holds the football again for the Charlie Brown activists to try and kick:

On Rosa Parks’ birthday last week, Leslie Angeline began a fast for impeachment. Taylor and over 20 other activists have joined the fast. Conyers has agreed to meet with Angeline to discuss impeachment on Tuesday.

The Chairman told Taylor and Saba that he is listening to several advocates for impeachment, including Liz Holtzman and this author, and asked “So how would it look if I allowed two women to push me over the edge?” Conyers leaned out of his chair for dramatic effect.

3. marisacat - 11 February 2008

Give him a gold watch. Call it over.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Woo hoo! Senator Jeebus is coming to spread His gospel throughout the cheese state!

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Oh, and the former First Child was in WI today being pimped representing … ummmm … sorta kinda answering random questions at heavily promoted events about her mama’s campaign to be Commander in Chief of Bombing Brown People, or somesuch.

Perfectly innocent, you know, and not to be questioned or mentioned in a tasteless manner, of course, because we shouldn’t impinge on her privacy just because her parents happened to destroy banking regulations and the social safety net.

No indeeedy.

6. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2008

For Clinton, Ohio and Texas Emerge as Key States to Win

“She has to win both Ohio and Texas comfortably, or she’s out,” said one Democratic superdelegate who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, and who spoke on condition of anonymity to share a candid assessment. “The campaign is starting to come to terms with that.” Campaign advisers, also speaking privately in order to speak plainly, confirmed this view.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

I nominate this artifact as a symbol for what this year’s election represents.

8. marisacat - 11 February 2008

there is an unconfirmed rumor over at TPMEC that John Glenn may endorse her.

9. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

John Glenn is still alive?

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

RFLMAO

Make sure to watch for the sign language interpreter.

11. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

Make sure to watch for the sign language interpreter.

Oh God that was funny. McCain might actually be entertaining to watch go down in flames.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Dennis Perrin says goodbye to Roy Scheider in the only way that makes sense.

Boy I loved that movie.

13. NYCO - 11 February 2008

“I think it would be disrespectful to Wisconsin voters” if both candidates for the party’s presidential nomination do not appear side-by-side

I just have to say, What a bunch of babies.

Where I live, the candidates NEVER come. Never. Ever. Ever. We’re lucky if we get their vice press secretary.

We got precisely one national candidate to show up in the last 30 years (that was Bill Clinton for 10 minutes in 1992). We didn’t even get “our own” Hillary this year.

And yet, somehow, we trudge off the polls and survive without being gladhanded, babykissed, flapjacked and serenaded about “Hope” until our eyes mist over.

F— you, babykins.

14. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

Where I live, the candidates NEVER come. Never. Ever. Ever. We’re lucky if we get their vice press secretary.

Reagan spoke at my high school in 1984.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Chris Floyd got some blowback from the wingers on his piece about Romney’s demagoguery last week. His response?

Psycho Backlash: When Lackeys Attack

“Worker’s paradise.” “Revolutionary malcontents.” You know you are in the presence of implacable ignorance when this kind of flaccid floppery comes out in the face of a few criticisms of the rich and power-hungry. For these guys, there are only two possible forms of human existence: you are either a sniveling bootlicker or a hardcore “commie.”

I’ve seen this boneheaded dynamic at work my whole life. It comes out on every single issue, not just with the “War on Terror” or the “breeding Muslims.” Anyone who criticizes the slightest aspect of American society is automatically a card-carrying communist who hates every single thing about America. (Unless of course, this criticism comes from the Right; then you can say any damn thing you want about America, belch out the foulest possible slanders of its people, its leaders, its culture, and you are still accounted a great patriot.)

What kind of “worker’s paradise” do I want? I know this might be hard for those who feel all wiggly if the world is not ordered exactly as they want it, but I personally don’t want any kind of paradise at all. I can’t even imagine the kind of cramped, crippled, infantile mind that would assume there is some kind of perfect society to be had — and to demand that any critic of present conditions must present a program for such impossible perfection. It must be terrible to live in such a box, beating your fists furiously and impotently against the sides when someone refuses to bend to your view. But adults must sometimes indulge childish petulance (if only to reduce the noise level somewhat), so let me indulge this witless request with a very brief word on my preferences — not demands, not a program, not a doctrine — for the ordering of human affairs.

As noted, I don’t want any kind of paradise; I would simply prefer a somewhat more human, humane society, full of the usual amount of corruption, crime and tomfoolery that attends all of our endeavors — but with these restrained somewhat by an honest striving to create just laws and apply them fairly. Radical stuff, eh?

I would prefer that my government not torture people and launch aggressive wars that not only kill multitudes of innocent people but stir up hatred against my country and keep the whole world in ferment and fear. Revolutionary, I know.

I would prefer that employees and employers work together more closely for the betterment of their communities, rather than having the latter gut the entire socioeconomic fabric of our towns and cities by shipping every steady, good-paying job they can get their hands on off to a foreign country where they can squeeze wage slaves to death to get a few pennies more on the dollar. But that’s just plain old Bolsheviki terrorism, I reckon.

16. NYCO - 11 February 2008

Thanks Madman… I saw that movie on HBO like 25 years ago! That was a great number and a character actor like Roy Scheider would never have been cast in that kind of role today.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

F— you, babykins.

Well said!

I don’t want them tromping around downtown messing up the bus routes and riling up the local wingers and Obama acolytes. Please, stay the fuck away, both of you. I’ve heard all of your lies/marketing pitches already.

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

a character actor like Roy Scheider would never have been cast in that kind of role today

They’d stick some American Idol winner or something in the role.

Or, at best, Johnny Depp.

I’m not a huge fan of musicals. I can suspend my disbelief at bad special effects and monster suits, but somehow bunches of people suddenly bursting into elaborate song-and-dance routines usually bores the the shit out of me, but I loved “All That Jazz”.

Then again, I have a soft spot for “Jesus Christ Superstar” too, so take my opinion of musicals with a very large grain of salt.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Apparently Hillary doesn’t remember what happened when Gary Hart said something similarly stupid

The senator was asked a question from a Politico.com reader in Santa Monica, Calif., who was seeking assurance that “no new business or personal scandal involving Bill Clinton” could erupt if she were in the White House and give fodder to Republicans.

“You know, I can assure this reader that that is not going to happen,” she said. “You know, none of us can predict the future, no matter who we are and what we are running for, but I am very confident that that will not happen.”

20. marisacat - 11 February 2008

they all come here. For money. Ties up the roadways and freeways.

21. marisacat - 11 February 2008

well then they ALL promise the most honest accountable responsible adminsitration since oh … some Eqyptian dynasty.

I gritted my teeth when Bill promised it, again when poor dumb Nancy promised it (that was really hilarious, it was obvious they were desperate to loot at the helm).

If Obama makes it, he will too. For surrrrrrrrrrrrrre.

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ENDLESS Lantos drivel on teh evening news…..

22. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

Very funny interview with a 21 year old superdelegate on the Dan Abrams show. He’s gotten calls from Bill Clinton and Kerry and had lunch with Chelsea. He sounds like Peter Beinart when you’re not looking at the TV screen.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008
24. marisacat - 11 February 2008

oh yes law was immediately grandly rescued, to St Mary major… a tremendous and wonderful basilica, built over an ancient worship site … to … forget now, which ever of the old religion women goddesses.

A very soft and protected life.

25. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.

Hosea Chaper 6: 9

26. lucid - 11 February 2008

I’m not a huge fan of musicals. I can suspend my disbelief at bad special effects and monster suits, but somehow bunches of people suddenly bursting into elaborate song-and-dance routines usually bores the the shit out of me, but I loved “All That Jazz”.

I don’t consider ‘All that Jazz’ a musical, so much as a movie about musicals. The first time I saw it was late night on a local Philly station during college, while, ahem, consuming many substances. Brilliant.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

M. J. Smith at SMBIVA pays … ummmm …. tribute to Lantos.

28. marisacat - 11 February 2008

LOL and catch the first comment to the tribute:

Oh, and by the way, don’t you think there’s something that stinks to high heaven of spookery about that 1947 “scholarship” — right in that murky cuspy time when old OSS was morphing into new CIA?

Bingo.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

good stuff.

30. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

lol…that McCain video was funny. Thanks for posting the link. :)

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

yvw!

32. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

18. On musicals: I feel the same way you do. Musicals are not my thing (although sometimes I wish people out there in the real world would suddenly all burst into song just to confirm my suspicions that they’re all a bunch of loons). And I liked JC Superstar too. Used to sing it with my best friend in school and we’d pour it on at her house as we traipsed all over the living room furniture “acting” it out when her parents were still at work. Other than that one, I just cringe throughout musicals. Chicago, the only one that I chose to watch recently, just about did me in. It was agonizing.

33. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

Very funny interview with a 21 year old superdelegate on the Dan Abrams show.

I saw that and I was thinking ‘Hmmm…I’ll bet that’s why Bowers is ready to slit his wrists…no one ever chose him to be a super-delegate and just look at that dork.’

34. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

Oh – another musical I liked was Phantom of the Paradise. ;)

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Oh, I hated Chicago.

My favorite more modern musical is Hedwig and the Angry Inch. That show rocks.

Paul Williams was just so … well, so SOMETHING in Phantom of the Paradise.

36. marisacat - 11 February 2008

LOL it’s hard out there for a post-racialist!

“Obama’s campaign failed to rise to the occasion,” scolded La Opinión, the leading Spanish-language newspaper in California, which had endorsed Mr. Obama.

Mr. Obama’s national field director, Cuauhtemoc Figueroa, vowed that Mr. Obama’s effort in Texas would be different.

“You are going to see Senator Obama campaign the way he did in Iowa,” Mr. Figueroa said. “We’re going to take him to little communities so that he’s not only going to touch voters with his words, he’s going to be able to reach out and physically touch them.”

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

Angry Inch

I think I’m now officially the gayest straight man on this blog.

38. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

Hedwig and the Angry Inch

Never heard of it but I’ll take your word for it and check it out.

39. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

I saw that and I was thinking ‘Hmmm…I’ll bet that’s why Bowers is ready to slit his wrists…no one ever chose him to be a super-delegate and just look at that dork.’

That kid was a pretty good interview, especially with Abrams, Michelle Cottle and Beinart snarling their condescending remarks at him.

40. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

Hedwig and the Angry Inch

I saw it in its original run back in the 90s next to a flop house in the Village. It had its moments.

41. lucid - 11 February 2008

Hedwig is great. I was actually asked if I was interested in being the guitarist with the group that is currently doing the national tours… alas, had to turn it down. Not enough $$ to quit my jobs.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

catnip

Just to warn you, you have to LOVE glam and punk to enjoy Hedwig.

43. lucid - 11 February 2008

btw – Hedwig was written almost as an ongoing workshop at the famous Don Hill’s gay/punk night Squeezebox in the early ’90’s… Always fun times.

44. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

Just to warn you, you have to LOVE glam and punk to enjoy Hedwig.

Well, I don’t know if “LOVE” describes how I feel about them but I’ll still check it out. ;)

45. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

That kid was a pretty good interview,

He was okay and yes they were condescending but he just seemed like such a nerd. ;)

46. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

He was okay and yes they were condescending but he just seemed like such a nerd.

Well, he stood up to the considerable charms of the Royal Clinton Daughter without breaking.

47. Hair Club for Men - 11 February 2008

Come on. If you were on live TV with Peter Beinart wouldn’t you be tempted to go off on an anti-Beinart rant?

“What the fuck are you even doing on TV? What are your qualifications to be on the fucking Council of Foreign Relations? Oh, that you were in favor of invading Iraq then changed your mind? Dork. Why don’t you get an honest job and dig ditches or something?”

48. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

I don’t think the young super-delegate ever uses the word “fuck”.

You just know that he’s going to be running for something some day in the future.

As for Chelsea’s “charms”. I’ll bet the poor guy is still waiting for his first big date (or maybe that was it). ;)

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2008

I’d be tempted to spit in his face, myself.

50. wilfred - 11 February 2008

Love Hedwig, and love good musicals, good dramas, good comedies. Can’t just say i don’t like an entire category of film, i like the good stuff of every genre, the same with books.

John Cameron Mitchell’s follow-up to Hedwig was called Shortbus and it’s wonderful too, although incredibly sexually frank which is rare for the US, usually just mindless titillation.

51. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008
52. marisacat - 11 February 2008

ugh Scalia. IIRC his son Dino supports JMcC.

53. liberalcatnip - 11 February 2008

clammyc complains that what’s going on in Iraq isn’t getting enough coverage at dkos and this conversation ensues in the comments.

54. lucid - 11 February 2008

clammyc complains that what’s going on in Iraq isn’t getting enough coverage at dkos and this conversation ensues in the comments.

That could be in a mastercard commercial…

55. melvin - 11 February 2008

54 — If a meteor took out Tokyo and sent a 300 foot tsunami towards the west coast those idiots would still continue the same conversation.

56. marisacat - 11 February 2008

so delicious… on Sarkozy and his downfall thru the 8 months since election….

57. bayprairie - 11 February 2008

so, i get home turn on the toob, tune into cspan and the house oversight committee is investigating besbol. my lord. what a pathetic waste of time and money.

the money the owners pay to aquire the talent that brings them the tens of millions of dollars, the publicly funded stadiums, the luxury boxes their bank accounts feed off of, and whose businesses are protected from the anti-trust acts by an acts of congress, has resulted in a competition so intense that most of the players will do anything to keep the paychecks coming in. some actually take performance enhancing drugs.

well who the hell wouldn’t at least be tempted? beats picking cotton. and it isnt’ as if its baseball is anything other than a past-time.

i could care less if roger clemens shoots smack before he climbs the mound, or nods off between innings. more power to him. but today the real criminals in this country, our congress, are on my tv right now passing “moral” judgement on a bunch of jocks who haven’t really harmed anyone, other than possibly themselves. as if congress isn’t much more corrupt.

if they really wanted to get to the root of the matter, put the OWNERS up on the stand and determine WHY they look the other way.

58. marisacat - 11 February 2008

if they really wanted to get to the root of the matter, put the OWNERS up on the stand and determine WHY they look the other way.

agree… it came out here that Magowan (Safeway chains of supermarkets, among other things) who owns the whateveritiscalled here in SF did indeed know that Bonds used. In fact at some point in the past he admitted it to SF Chronicle sprts reporters. The paper then got a letter from the lawyers the next day clarifying his comments. And the record of the interview was amended.

Believe me I know nothing about sports but since the whole Bonds / Balco story spooled out here for years, inevitably I paid attention.

59. bayprairie - 12 February 2008

hey hey catnip. anytime i need to remember not to take anything clammyc says too seriously i re-read this post from a little less than a year ago.

Keep Pushing that Overton Window, Senator Reid
by clammyc
Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 at 10:48:37 AM EST

Harry Reid gets it.

:::snip:::

he has shifted the debate from “just how well the escalation is working” or “how much more money are we going to sink into this lost cause” to ”Keep your whining and moaning up, Mr. Bush and we just may cut off funding altogether”.

Do not underestimate this statement.

:::snip:::

Most importantly, in the few short months that the Democrats have been in charge of Congress, they have radically shifted the debate on Iraq from an open ended no-end-in-sight disaster to not just “if” but “when” and “how”. In the process, Bush and the republicans have been backed into a corner and the talk of “defeatist Democrats” is falling on deaf ears, while putting the republicans in the position to either support their failure of a “leader” or to support the public’s desire to find a reasonable and responsible way out of this disaster.

All of this in less than three months.

there’s not a word in clammyc’s piece today about his own democratic party’s complicity in the continuation of the war in the intervening time between today and his puff-piece-post almost a year ago. i really get the sense clammyc complains, and/or cheerleads, about whatever he thinks will get him on the reclist.

but then i’m just too cynical, aren’t i?

60. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

”Keep your whining and moaning up, Mr. Bush and we just may cut off funding altogether”.

I obviously need to cut down on my blinking. I missed that tiny moment in time.

55. melvin, rofl – too true.

I saw a bit of Larry King’s interview with Michelle Obama. I wonder if she gets just how similar in tone and manner she is to Hillary. Quite stern.

61. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

I see the NYT is towing the Bush administration’s line about the war in Afghanistan. It just never ends.

62. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

This NYT article about how Obama’s campaign is handling the race issue bothers me – leaving me with the distinct impression that he has chosen (despite his advisors saying he really doesn’t have any kind of overall racial strategy) to woo AA voters quietly while he lets people like his wife (whose background is more similar to many AAs’ experiences) and Al Sharpton (one of what Shelby Steele calls the “challengers”) get out there and front for him with the AA community (lest he scare away white voters).

Aides said Mr. Obama’s campaign was unaware of the magnitude of the tensions brewing in Jena, La., over charges of attempted murder that had been filed against six youths involved in a schoolyard fight until plans for a march, organized by Mr. Sharpton, began to appear in the news media.

Mr. Obama was the first presidential candidate to respond to Mr. Sharpton’s call to denounce what was going on in Jena, saying the cases against the students were not a matter of black versus white, but a matter of right versus wrong. He then called Mr. Sharpton to explain that he had important votes in the Senate, and that he would not attend the march because he did not want to politicize the issue.

“We agreed on inside-outside roles,” Mr. Sharpton said, referring to himself and Mr. Obama, echoing a famous conversation between President Lyndon B. Johnson and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. “I would continue my work agitating the system from the outside, and he would do what he could to make changes from the inside.”

I don’t know…how do you – black, white or purple – look at the situation in Jena and then step back because you don’t want to “politicize” it? It was already politicized.

When I look at that, I see a politician who’s calculating what it’s going to take for him to win the most votes – not someone who’s all that concerned about civil rights, injustice and racism.

Just another person playing the game…using others to do the heavy lifting. Dawg forbid he was actually principled enough to be honest about what was going on – wouldn’t look good and, in politics, appearences are everything.

That just left a bad taste in my mouth – not that’s it’s surprising. I’m just sick of the fucking games politicians play to win.

63. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Oh wow! I REALLY screwed up that late nite html. Sorry, mcat!

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

LOL … “Queen of the sock puppets”

65. NYCO - 12 February 2008

There’s only one possible running mate for Obama then… Stephen Colbert! He doesn’t see color.

66. lucid - 12 February 2008

Wasn’t there a ‘draft Colbert’ movement not too long ago?

67. wilfred - 12 February 2008

Per Josh Marshall on voting in the Senate today:

“The biggie, of course, is the Dodd/Feingold amendment to strip retroactive telecom immunity from the bill.”

68. marisacat - 12 February 2008

LOL If you liked the 110th………….. hold on more to come … via TPM

Senate Gives Telecoms Immunity
The Senate vote on the Dodd-Feingold amendment to strip telecom immunity from the new FISA bill wasn’t even close: 31-67.

Among the Dems crossing the aisle:

Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV),
Evan Bayh (D-IA),
Daniel Inouye (D-HI),
Tim Johnson (D-ND),
Herb Kohl (D-WI),
Mary Landrieu (D-LA),
Claire McCaskill (D-MO),
Mark Pryor (D-AR),
Blanche Lincoln (D-AR),
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA),
Ken Salazar (D-CO),
Tom Carper (D-DE),
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), and
Jim Webb (D-VA).

–David Kurtz

69. marisacat - 12 February 2008

Josh has a couple of caucus goers for Obama check in.. one from Tacoma and one from MN.

I defy anyone who is not a party insider to figure it out. Caucuses are devised to benefit the party structure and whoever wo/mans the ship, so to speak. HORRIBLE:

Nitty Gritty

TPM Reader RM checks in from Minnesota …

I took part in a discussion about the Minnesota DFL caucus system last night with a three people who had attended their respective precinct caucuses and been elected delegates. In all three cases the overwhelming ballot count went for Obama, but my friends are Clinton supporters. Obama’s supporters tended to cast their ballots and go, and thus Clinton people, often longtime local party activists, were given the nod for just being willing to take on the responsibility, i.e., without even being asked their preferred candidate.

The other thing to know is that these are not Presidential convention delegates.

There are four levels, from precinct to state level, state senate and congressional district in-between I believe. As one goes up the ladder party functionaries play an increasingly prominent role. This is where Hillary probably has an advantage, at least if she can hang on that long. I imagine the process and dynamic is similar in many other caucus states.

–Josh Marshall

70. marisacat - 12 February 2008

Link to the TPM Tacoma WA version of the above, it is longer so I won’t cut and paste it…

71. wilfred - 12 February 2008

Every single one of those Republican traitors and Democratic corporate whores should be horsewhipped in full public view for the vote on the Dodd-Feingold amendment.

72. marisacat - 12 February 2008

and that is only a partial list.

NEXT congress should be even more fun. More Democrats (or more Republicans) means more conservatives. It is reaching historic levels of R retirement. Oooo more conservatives! Coming right up, different party badge…

Including one in the WH.

The American people seem irritable but over all fine with it.

73. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Obama’s supporters tended to cast their ballots and go, and thus Clinton people, often longtime local party activists, were given the nod for just being willing to take on the responsibility

So why don’t Obama supporters stick around a little longer, then?

Sounds to me like the Clinton people are willing to.

74. wilfred - 12 February 2008

And then DiFi’s amendment was shot down without the 60 votes needed, poor bi-partisan R in Dems clothing Feinstein doesn’t support the Feingold wing (is it big enough to be a wing or is just some feathers) of the Party.

75. JJB - 12 February 2008

Chris Floyd links to and discusses this excellent on the hell we have reduced Somalia to. I’ll limit myself to quoting this one short passage, because it succinctly states what should be obvious to anyone with a triple-digit IQ and a conscience:

But for the US the idea of an Islamic authority ruling Somalia was too much to bear. “They were scared of a Taliban-style state,” said a diplomat in Nairobi. “But the country is 99 per cent Muslim. What’s wrong with encouraging an Islamic democracy like Malaysia?

A functioning central government of any stripe would be a start. By the time the warlords were defeated the [US and Ethiopian backed] TFG had managed to install itself inside Somalia. Mogadishu wasn’t deemed safe enough, so the government found itself in the central town of Baidoa. Attempts by European diplomats to bring the TFG and the Islamic Courts together failed. The US and Ethiopia encouraged the TFG, led by a former warlord, Abdullahi Yusuf, not to negotiate.

NYCO, no. 73,

Presumably, the Obama people have other responsibilities that preclude their spending all day and night at these ridiculous caucuses. Also, note that the Clinton people aren’t admitting they’ve backed a particular candidate. If they were more forthcoming, the Obama people might not assume they can safely leave and have their vote count for what it’s supposed to. It’s easy to imagine some undercover operatives saying to people “don’t worry about the grunt work, we’ll stick around and take care of it, you folks have voted, no need to stick around and waste time.”

76. marisacat - 12 February 2008

I used the TPM reports as they were succinct… but i have read many reports, esp from WA as ti si caucusing for the first time.

One report I read, people were lining up… one of about a group of 8 went to the head to where the tables were, grabbed the “preference” forms and brought them back to the line. They ALL filled them out for obama, dropped them off at the head table… and then LEFT.

The party wants caucuses in place, imo, for down the road, years and cycles to come. They luv caucuses.

And now lots of newcomers who love Obama will love caucuses.

Swelll… LOL… so relieved I do nto care anymroe.

I had not seen inside a caucus room til Cspan covered two in Iowa in 2004…. a big one in a sort of gym and a little neighborhood one (literally tea and cookies) …. hours long, noisy (the big one) stifling (the little one).

The lady with the little one ws too damned doddery (to be blunt) to be counting preferences, no matter how long she had done it.

The bigger caucus was damned fuckign party thugs.

I did nto even bother to post about it (tho others did at Dkos with the same reactions) as you know if you supported Dean you were a nut.

UN DEMOCRATIC.

77. marisacat - 12 February 2008

During the night I read, somewhere or other, that we had CIA “advisors” (which I would bet included mercs) along with the Ehtiopian forces that moved into Somalia.

Prepare for AFRICOM. Nasty war for genocide and acquisition of resources. With all the needed co-opted NGOs in place from Gates Foundation to Clooney exhorting for Blakcwater “to help” in Darfur.

Be sure to VOTE VOTE VOTE.

78. wilfred - 12 February 2008

From Reader “RL” at TPM, it bears repeating:

“I actually like the idea of a unitary executive, because it implies that there could be a unitary citizen. I have begun to consider myself a unitary citizen. I am allowed (by virtue of the definition of a unitary executive) to pick and choose the laws I would like to follow, kind of Thoreau like.
I also like the idea of retroactive immunity paired with the unitary citizen. I could decide not to follow a stupid law and then forgive myself afterwards.
But it begins to sound like (horrors) anarchy. Maybe that’s what we now have as a form of government: unitary anarchy. I like it. It works for me!”

79. bayprairie - 12 February 2008

Senate Gives Telecoms Immunity

The Senate vote on the Dodd-Feingold amendment to strip telecom immunity from the new FISA bill wasn’t even close: 31-67.

read a certain way this vote suggests that one out of every three dollars contributed to democratic party/democratic candidates funds republican victories.

80. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

There’s only one possible running mate for Obama then… Stephen Colbert! He doesn’t see color.

lol…sorry, Colbert’s already agreed to be Huck’s VP. ;)

81. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Presumably, the Obama people have other responsibilities that preclude their spending all day and night at these ridiculous caucuses.

them wily Clintonites! settin’ thar, jes’ lak a spider… Old and age treachery will always overcome youth and skill!

Seriously, I thought it was the Obama people who didn’t have jobs? And now someone’s telling me the Clinton people don’t have jobs. I’m confoosed.

82. ms_xeno - 12 February 2008

“So how would it look if I allowed two women to push me over the edge?” Conyers leaned out of his chair for dramatic effect.

It would look like you have Revisionist, or perhaps Mr. Stomach Flu, as a campaign advisor.

83. ms_xeno - 12 February 2008

Wilfred, #74.

We have feathers in abundance. What’s lacking is somebody to show up with the tanker full of tar. :/

84. raincat100 - 12 February 2008

73. NYCO – 12 February 2008

Obama’s supporters tended to cast their ballots and go, and thus Clinton people, often longtime local party activists, were given the nod for just being willing to take on the responsibility

So why don’t Obama supporters stick around a little longer, then?

Sounds to me like the Clinton people are willing to.

From what I could tell there were more ‘first timers’ at my caucus who were supporting Obama than there were for Clinton. Quite of few of the Obama people wanted to bolt after the first vote. Our PCO explained if there were not enough people to fill the delegate (and alternate) slots (4+4) they would be lost — I am not sure if Clinton would have picked up more delegates.

Anyway, I think caucuses are just awful. My first was for Dean — terribly chaotic; they had not expected that number of people. Same deal this year — I think it was about 30% more this time. Most had no idea what to do.

JJB 75 — Yes, lots of potential for cheating.

Mariscat, is there a cheat sheet for HTML formatting around somewhere?…I probably screwed up my attempt at the block quote.

85. ms_xeno - 12 February 2008

Please, please volunteer for a tour in the Army. (0 / 0)

You’ll get over 100% this “offensive to me” preciousness.

Assuming you live through the experience, you’ll be a better person for it.

BTW: any experience going for a year or more, where you do not choose your room mates and its all blue collar, you’ll come out good.

Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Lenny Bruce. Overcome evil with good.

by vets74 on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:06:11 AM PST

[ Parent ]

Yes, I will come to egalitarian glory in the military. Unfortunately by the time I do, I’ll be dead of dehydration because I was afraid to leave my tent at night due to the politically incorrect libidos of my male “brother-patriots.”

Asshole. >:

86. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Senate Gives Telecoms Immunity

Pretty damn predictable.

one out of every three dollars contributed to democratic party/democratic candidates funds republican victories.

No doubt.

But have no fear – Hillary or Obama will change everything!. Just wait…and wait…and wait…

87. raincat100 - 12 February 2008

Regarding the time commitment for this caucus business:

If one is interested in being a delegate, it’s not just a matter of attending the first caucus (ours was held from 1-3:30) — precinct delegates and their alternates must attend the Legislative District caucus (as I recall, it was an ALL DAY affair on a Saturday. Then if you are at all interested in the platform, you attend the County convention, also an all day affair on a Saturday.

If you get elected to the next level, it’s on to the Congressional District and State convention. Then Denver. (I think I have this correct).

It is a huge time commitment.

88. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Yeah, it’s so much quicker to hold a tent revival. :-)

Seriously, I don’t know much about caucuses and – in Iowa at least – they seem given way too much weight. But then again, state-by-state primaries don’t seem much better… but lots of people would argue that “time and seasoning” is needed for people to properly make up their minds, and that’s been an argument against holding a national primary.
Sooooo… (shrug)

89. marisacat - 12 February 2008

raincat

teh blockquote came out fine. 8)

all I knwo is this — and replace brackets with little arrows..

[blockquote] [/blockquote]

[a href="URL"]text to be visible[/a]

if you google HTML+tutorial you will get a selection of cheat sheets…
;)

90. raincat100 - 12 February 2008

heh. yeah, i gave myself a gold star :)

thanks! i didn’t know if wordpress used different tags.

91. marisacat - 12 February 2008

fwiw…. from Ben Smith at Politico:

February 12, 2008
Read More: Delegates

Politico delegate count

My colleagues Avi Zenilman and Josie Hearn have put together an exhaustive, easy-to-use chart of superdelegates and their alleagiances.

Their current count is Hillary 230, Obama 138.5.

One interesting point, which is visible in the chart:

Clinton has a lead of three among senators, a lead of 13 among House members, and they’re tied among governors.

So her real margin comes from the relatively anonymous DNC members, among whom she leads 125 to 57.5.

link to BS as he links to the chart.

92. marisacat - 12 February 2008

Voting with the Republicans on the Dodd Amendment, full list of 18

Evan Bayh, Thomas Carper, Kent Conrad, Dianne Feinstein, Daniel Inouye, Tim Johnson, Herb Kohl, Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln, Claire McCaskill, Barbara Mikulski, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, Jay Rockefeller, Kenneth Salazar, Debbie Stabenow, Jim Webb

93. D. Throat - 12 February 2008

In a sign that the spin war over the significance of super-delegates is underway in earnest, Harold Ickes told assorted Hillary supporters on a private conference call yesterday that the campaign wants them to start referring to super-delegates as “automatic delegates,” according to someone on the call.

The person I spoke to paraphrases Ickes, who is spearheading Hillary’s super-delegate hunt, this way: “We’re no longer using the phrase super delegates. It creates a wrong impression. They’re called automatic delegates. Because that’s what they are.”

The worry appears to be that the phrase “super-delegates” implies that “they have super-powers or super influence when they don’t,” the source says, describing Ickes’ thinking. In other words, the phrase suggests that they have greater than average clout and that they have the power to overrule the democratic process, giving it the taint of back-room power politics.

yeah… that’ll fool ‘em

94. D. Throat - 12 February 2008

Why The DNC Credentials Committee Should, In June, Uphold The Florida Primary

by: Chris Bowers
Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 15:34

nuff said.

95. marisacat - 12 February 2008

Scalia on torture, interview with the BBC

96. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

yeah… that’ll fool ‘em

lol…”automatic”, except that they’re not.

They should be called ‘Houdini Delegates’ – people who can make your vote disappear without even batting an eye while being wrapped in chains made of Schmoozola™.

97. marisacat - 12 February 2008

LOL anythign that riles up the party and makes the whole of the leadership from the DNC to the congress to the states’ “prominent Democrats” look bad….

Superdelegates date from 82: Get rid of them

caucuses, undemocratic, run by insiders and activists… get rid of them.

“First in the nation” a soul sucking business, get rid of it. have a flexible calendar of rotating early states by region.

Not a new idea, been put forward for years.

I love it they are in a tizzy. All of them.

And I think if there is a stampede of propaganda that Super D should ‘vote with their district’, first off should be Kerry and Kennedy.

May they all go down in a bonfire of the vanities.

The most devalued person, the voter. Courted woo’d pandered to, blitzed and then, creamed.

98. wu ming - 12 February 2008

washington’s been doing caucuses for years. the only reason i know is that my wife always got taken to them as a kid, and remembers everyone deciding on jesse jackson in ’84 in her small town caucus. what’s diferent this year is that so many new people are coming in that it strains the infrastructure.

personally, they sound like a mess to me, although i suppose it would be amusing to sit around haggling over candidates for an hour or two, given sufficient amounts of ale and tables to pound. generally, i’d rather see primaries all around, with much more space between each contest, and regionally clustered to emphasize regional political leanings and cut down on the insane amount of flying these campaigns do.

generally, the republican primary system seems far more sane than the byzantine dem ones. caucuses and superdelegates and arcane percentages for odd-numbered and even numbered districts, ya basta!

99. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

Check it out among others… Hmmmm. I wonder haw many spots were set up at mosques….

So much for voting at Mcat’s cafe where the happy heathens hang out….

100. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

MSNBC projects VA for Obamalama.

101. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

I-Lama my ass off, catnip. :D

102. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Rhetoric question:

When did fundraising discussion turn to talk of “bombs”? Why do people call them “bombs” now?

We’ve gone from baseball bats to bombs, in four short years…

103. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

I have scribblers block over my Huck a Day Slogan Project.

104. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

MSNBC: 90% AA vote in VA to Obama + @55 WHITE MEN

105. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Obama got fifty-five white Virginian men? Smokin’! :-)

106. NYCO - 12 February 2008

I think I can hear the celebrations from all the way up here!

Gliddy glub gloopy
Nibby nabby noopy
Obama ma mo…
Sabba sibby sabba
Nooby abba nabba
Le le lo lo
Tooby ooby walla
Nooby abba naba
Early morning singing song!

107. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008
108. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

I have scribblers block over my Huck a Day Slogan Project.

Try a rhyming dictionary: schmuck, duck, luck, suck, muck, puck, guck etc. ;)

109. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

VA went for Webb too, lest we forget. ;)

110. D. Throat - 12 February 2008

Wow a lot of interesting backgrounders about Hillary and Solis…

No one denies that Solis Doyle’s authority stems less from her expertise or political savvy (though defenders insist she has an abundance of both) than from her bond with Hillary. The result, say critics, is a toxic blend of insecurity (about her abilities) and arrogance (about her proximity to the boss). As they tell it, an overwhelmed Solis Doyle has become increasingly temperamental–playing favorites and abusing her relationship with Hillary to control information flow and enhance her own power. “It’s become ‘The Patti Show,'” snipes a former member of the Clinton White House who remains close to both Clintons. Solis Doyle is said to allow unaddressed issues to pile up, failing to do things like return calls to surrogates in need of direction or contributors in need of stroking. “People are constantly complaining to the senator and other members of the campaign family that their calls aren’t being returned,” notes one observer who often hears from such people. At the same time, over the course of her management career, Solis Doyle has developed a reputation for mucking around in the weeds, insisting upon signing off on even low-level decisions, such as where to hold a minor event and whether bagels or donuts should be served. (That’s not a hypothetical.) She is brutal to staffers who try to circumvent her with a request, and she is not shy about reminding others of her position: When dispatched to Iowa headquarters in the final month, Solis Doyle demanded that in preparation for her arrival walls be erected around the section of the giant bullpen where she would be working.

For the many people in and around Washington who obsess over the latest machinations in Hillaryland, the firing of Solis Doyle—and she was fired, several insiders confirm—is a big deal, but for reasons somewhat different from what the media coverage has suggested. Her title of “campaign manager” implies a loftier role than the one she actually played. She is the furthest thing from a Rove-like strategic genius (Mark Penn inhabits that role for Hillary), so her leaving doesn’t signify an impending change of strategy, as some reports seem to assume. Rather, Solis Doyle, who began as Clinton’s personal scheduler in 1991 (and who, as it happens, coined the term “Hillaryland”) was Clinton’s alter ego and was installed in the job specifically for that reason. Her performance in Clinton’s past races and especially in this one reflects all the good and the bad that the alter-ego designation carries. I’ve always felt that the most revealing thing about Solis Doyle is her oft-repeated line: “When I’m speaking, Hillary is speaking.” It is revealing both because it is true and because it conveys—and even flaunts—an arrogance that I think is the key to understanding all that has gone wrong for the Clinton campaign.

Hmmm…. seems the Bill was not the only one with an intern problem…

111. D. Throat - 12 February 2008

Everything in moderation… :o

112. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

She’s done I think. Va I think models well for Ohio , though not so fundie rural ( as gradations of lunacy go…)

In Ohio, AA were first, foremost and still fucked in the post Industrial fallout… They saw the white guys hang on before, those Dem / Reagan ? / Now WTF Dem fools also joined them among the lost…

She is not going to win Ohio under this mobilus … Indy Population gains, hardercore, more fucked over D-base, TRULY PISSED AA.

In Pa. I don’t see her being able to fake it, ….She’ll be weaker in “the T”,(Northern 1/3 + Middle 1/3 of PA, leaving out Pittsburgh and Philly.. She’ll be weaker in “the T” than she imagined …There is a blowback coalition aimed right at Fast Eddie Rendell’s Head..

113. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

NYCO coverin Sinatra! LOL. :D

114. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

105 NYCO…Yep> Huck Sweepin the Smoked Squirrel , Obam dominating among the Smoked Ham Lovers…

115. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Actually, BHHM, it’s “Hair” but I’m sure you knew that. Just checkin’.

Maybe this really isn’t the American presidential election, it’s the Jesusland presidential election. The Democrats living in Greater Jesusland are so driven mad by the longtime baiting of Republican Jesusfreaks that they want their very own version to strap on armor and do holy battle in their name.

Intriguing how the religious right has completely managed to shift the grounds of political engagement to the realm of Happy-Clappy.

116. marisacat - 12 February 2008

one of D Throat out of Moderation… up thread at 110

sorry for the wait, I was napping…

8)

117. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

As for what I said above, There is a blowback coalition aimed right at Fast Eddie Rendell’s Head… very aggressive Obam Voter registration drives, ready to audit any Slow Walk on registration by Rendell Admin’s Dept of State…She has less of an untapped well as far as bringing in newer voters…Though PA is a closed Primary and Texas ,Ohio already locked in.as of a few days ago…Registration for new voters in PA is open till March 24th….plenty of paddlers to get on board as the National Boat heads for the Falls..

Makes people feel “vested” ……………….for now.

118. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

LOL. NYCO… I coulda sworn it was “Strangers In the Night”.

Gliddy glub gloopy
Nibby nabby noopy
Obama ma mo…
Sabba sibby sabba
Nooby abba nabba
Le le lo lo
Tooby ooby walla

119. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Nooby abba naba
Early morning singing song

120. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Great. Now I’ll have that song stuck in my head all nite.

121. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Those lyrics reminded me of this clip. lol

122. marisacat - 12 February 2008

from TPM

Surveillance Bill Passes Senate
The Democratic-controlled Senate just passed the surveillance bill, 68-29.

As we have mentioned through the day and covered extensively at TPMmuckraker, most of the civil-liberties-friendly amendments to the bill failed. Retroactive immunity for telecoms survived.

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), among others, is not a happy camper.

123. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Question: which white voters aren’t “white ethnics”?

Enquriing herbs want to know.

124. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

Question: which white voters aren’t “white ethnics”?

You need to go back to the Immigration Reform Act of 1924.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

It stopped immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe and encouraged immigration from Northwestern Europe.

A good rule of thum in American culture is that when someone says “white ethnic” he/she means Eastern and Southern European, Jewish or Catholic as opposed to Northwestern European and Protestant.

Basically anybody who came to the USA in the 1880-1920 wave of immigration is usually thought of as a “white ethnic”. Anybody who came in waves before that (even the Irish) isn’t.

It’s a stupid formulation and a stupid way to categorize people but all Americans (especially those on the East Coast) tend to think this way.

125. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

Great. Now I’ll have that song stuck in my head all nite.-catnip

In a just few ,here,
the Copyrite Police will be authorized to perform lobotomies….
Which, not-so-much-joking aside, there is a whole sub-plot playing out with the Media Moguls who just Lurve Hillary….Totally freaked over the downloadin youngins’ …Same kinda shit going back to Jack Valenti, Hillary Rosen worked for RIAA, Rahm’s Bro is a player in staking the outer reach settlement territory in content licensure ….

Just callin it like it is, I have no prob with artists getting the take, that unfortunately isn’t what its about, it’s about residuals ad nauseum for capital pimps..

Pimp Pimp Pimp. No one owns it yet, do they?

This Telcom shit is quite likely to usher in a whole small claims enforcement apparatus for unlicensed content, ensuring the digitally landed class against “trespassers” Computers being pulled over on the info highway, safety check you know, maybe inspected like cars…Sound crazy? wait till “just a reasonable few dollar fee” is imposed to “insure” losses to content owners….

Pigs are relentless at the corn crib.

126. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Okay. I’ve already admitted here (a few times) that I can be naive, but can someone please explain this dkos diary to me – especially this part (with unattributed quotes)?

It’s bloody clever. Aside from Bill Clinton and Mark Penn’s heavy handed blunders, the new racist attacks are bloody clever.

Listen to the commentary from both the campaign and the MSM:

“Hillary has her base among the less educated, white, hard working, lower middle class.”

This is the last bastion of mindless racism in the US. (my emphasis -catnip) Everyone knows it, although it is highly impolite to say so. And for anyone who can identify with this demographic, it just became OK to vote that racism.

To strong, you say? Try this…

Barack, on the other hand, has his appeal among, “highly educated, latte drinking, wealthy Americans.”

Just how is pointing out demographics like that “racist”?

127. marisacat - 12 February 2008

well I consider the harsher (pro life, pro war, pro death penalty) Catholic voters, which can be Irish or Filipino, to be ‘Ethnic voters”.

128. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Anybody who came in waves before that (even the Irish) isn’t.

But but but I heard one of the MSNBC commentators (Matthews?) call white Irish “ethnics” too.

I’m French. Doesn’t that count as an ethnicity?

129. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

I really need to stop watching American teevee.

130. marisacat - 12 February 2008

and thnks to … think it was Rodriguez the other night on with Moyers… there si a new, to me, word.

Missiology. To build a coaltiion of black brown at THE RELIGIOUS INTERSECTION.

what fun.

131. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

“Hillary has her base among the less educated, white, hard working, lower middle class.” This is the last bastion of mindless racism in the US.

A lot of people have the impression that if you have a vowel at the end of your name you’re more hostile towards blacks than the typical WASP is.

It comes out of the 1960s and the 1970s, from the Richard Daly style blue collar dems going for George Wallace in 1968 and the anti-busing riots in Boston in the 1970s.

I’m not sure how much it still holds true.

And I’d guess that you’re seriously hard core racist white ethnics are probably Republican by now (Reagan Democrats).

But there’s a grain of truth to it that’s reinforced by Hollywood stereotypes.

Thus, these are white ethnics.

These aren’t.

132. wilfred - 12 February 2008

They were talking on MSNBC about poll numbers in Maryland and the populace admitted to listening to talk radio in large numbers but were not voting as Limbaugh’s and the others wished.

roll over Rush, roll over.
it will be fun to see McCain win only to make Rush’s blood pressure rise and look like the loser he is.

133. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

But but but I heard one of the MSNBC commentators (Matthews?) call white Irish “ethnics” too.

Mathews means blue collar, northeastern white males. He likes to use the term “Deerhunter Country” ad naseum.

So I’d guess that an Irish American in Philadelphia is probably more likely to follow the voting pattern that Hillary is looking for than an Irish American in Seattle or Anchorage.

Think Democratic Party machine voting that gave Hillary an advantage in New Jersey and Massachussetts.

But how about a 25 year old Harvard grad of Eastern Eurpeon Jewish descent vs. a 60 year old German American Protestant high school grad in urban New Jersey.

Who’s going for Obama (according to the recent polls)?

134. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

I’m French. Doesn’t that count as an ethnicity? -catnip

It depends..Among the ancestrally Irish ,we use an Affinity Index that measures the frequency and duration of drunken Uncles brawling at the wake…The higher likelyhood that the cadavre is eventually knocked out of the casket is a fair indicia of both Irish-ness and Grog Efficacy.

135. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

#78 wilfred

love that comment

136. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

She’s got the brown pant suit on again for Taxas Rally coming on now…

137. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

Damn. The Squirrel Killer loses Virginia.

138. NYCO - 12 February 2008

Actually I think “Wookin’ Pa Nub” is Hillary’s theme song now…

139. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

LOL

140. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Actually I think “Wookin’ Pa Nub” is Hillary’s theme song now…

rofl :)

141. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

Notice that her Free Media is Prime Timed for Din Din in Texas..

142. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

So I’m guessing Hillary’s going to be doing some major pandering to Latinos in Texas and the Republicans are going down with video cameras and tape recorders to record said pandering for future use in the general election after the superdelegates give it to her.

143. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

Doesn’t that count as an ethnicity?

Only in Maine.

144. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

She’s Out at UTEP, ….. Not a bad venue given most kids have family at Ft Bliss and White Sandsacross the NM border..

145. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

Ugh … Hillary on MSNBC. Her voice sounds like a rusty old crowbar being rammed into deteriorating farm machinery gears on a cold winter morning when you have a hangover.

I have a headache now … oh, and having the index card full of Latino names to thank was a nice touch. Why doesn’t she just walk onto stage in a mariachi outfit with a big sombrero on her head?

146. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

I wish we had flan.

147. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

Why doesn’t she just walk onto stage in a mariachi outfit with a big sombrero on her head?

Bill Clinton = First Black President

Hillary Cilnton = First Mexican American President

148. marisacat - 12 February 2008

ooo flan.

I would love a flan.

149. D. Throat - 12 February 2008

Why doesn’t she just walk onto stage in a mariachi outfit with a big sombrero on her head?

You missed it… a little boy ….walk onto stage in a mariachi outfit with a big sombrero on his head… and Hill walked him around the stage.

No joke… it was at the beginning.

150. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

Why doesn’t she just walk onto stage in a mariachi outfit with a big sombrero on her head? -madman

LMAO….Is it me being clouded by my POV or is she delivering one of the most phoney ass speeches I have ever heard???

151. wilfred - 12 February 2008

#145 When they showed Hillpac being fitted for her mic, I turned over to the Sierra Club Chronicles on the Sundance Channel, time much better spent!

152. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

ROTFLMAO, DT # 149

153. wilfred - 12 February 2008

maybe a chance someone will slap her with a pie full of texas-grown guacamole?

154. Hair Club for Men - 12 February 2008

maybe a chance someone will slap her with a pie full of texas-grown guacamole?

How about David Shuster streaking across the stage and delivering said pie?

155. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

Holy shit Hillary just bashed Israel. snerk

Arent you tired of sending billions of dollars to countries that turn around and use it against us??

Whoops. Never Mind.

156. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

Only in Maine.

lol

157. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

omg … I wasn’t looking at the screen … the glass teat was just blaring in the background as I blogged.

Is it me being clouded by my POV or is she delivering one of the most phoney ass speeches I have ever heard???

wouldn’t know … I hit mute when my temple started throbbing in time to her annoying sing-songy cadence.

Oh, btw, I listened to the Scalia interview at my desk this morning, and threw up in my mouth a little.

Tossed this up at LSF in response.

158. BooHooHooMan - 12 February 2008

Let me say from experience that “Ft Bliss” in El Paso is perhaps the greatest misnomer in Military history.

159. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

How about David Shuster streaking across the stage and delivering said pie?

Only if he was dressed in full pimp regalia

160. Miss Devore - 12 February 2008

no TV or video links. Is she doing deanscream material?

161. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

oh, and the “omg” comment was aimed at the kid in the sombrero.

I REALLY should learn to read again BEFORE I hit “say it!”.

162. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

Here is a video demonstrating how Obama fans will feel after he fails to fulfill their fondest pipe dreams.

BTW, that is one of my favorite cover versions of any song, ever. It’s right up there w/ Johnny Cash covering “Hurt”.

163. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008

Is she doing deanscream material?

No, she doesn’t care enough.

164. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

There is no need to report (12+ / 0-)

this data at all. Report the vote totals. Report the delegates and their pledges. Report fully on the policy and positions of each candidate. Race, class, and economic levels give no useful information to anyone.

“All true wisdom is found on t-shirts.”

by Granny Doc on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:55:52 AM MST

*
The earth is 6000 years old… (2+ / 0-)

…no need for the Enlightenment, or any derivative social sciences which embrace statistics.

Very disheartening.

Tonight starts end of Obamania – (2.12.08 Diary) & [I am not able to rec]

by Universal on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:02:52 PM MST

165. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 February 2008
166. marisacat - 12 February 2008

new thread

LINK

167. liberalcatnip - 12 February 2008

So, after saying that “Race, class, and economic levels give no useful information to anyone”, Granny Doc reveals:

Well, I’m wealthy, (19+ / 0-)

white, Liberal and I HATE LATTE! Give me a good, dark French Roast from an Ecuadorian bean, any day.

“All true wisdom is found on t-shirts.”

by Granny Doc on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:57:11 AM MST


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