Have a laugh… 15 March 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, WAR!.trackback
I was remembering just about this time of year, in 1988… I had lunch downtown with a friend, we had been speaking of the Democrats and the election.. As we clinked glasses I said if the filly managed to win the Derby, then maybe there was a chance for the Democrats. Oh slap me silly, surely I am a sexist. Something… 
Studying chicken entrails might have been more illuminating (if greasy). Winning Colors, a roan filly, the third in history to win the Derby, pulled it out. Dukakis did not.
Who the hell knows. I do know I am well over cringing for or about the Democrats… wondering, wishing, willing them to manage something… anything. I may not like what I see, but I have accepted it. What a fucking relief! What we have, what is running, is it. The whining and utter failure of the 110th, the sloth, greed and sell outs of the 109th, 108th, 107th, etc., is what they are… Their lameness does still piss me off, just because it is so, well, lame.
Always did hate feet of clay – to the hips. There will always be small things to champion… another muslim to the House, for one.
Not sure anyone can stand it, and Crowley does come off as naive but as TNR is more or less in the tank for Obama the take on Wright contretemps is worth something. And, the thread is interesting, note the first comment, Geraldine is a dessicated old hag and a criminal. Well! we did need to complete cunt whore and whatever else.
One thing, whoever wins this muddy track is not going to be dressed in a blanket of celebration roses, come November.
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I looked in at BAR, as they did not publish this week… but thru one of the links in their blogroll did land on some commentary from Angela Davis on the race, on race and on US prisons (additional quotes at the site’s blog) and this and that….
When the 1970s Black Power icon was asked for her “Black feminist critique” of the Democratic presidential campaign, Davis said she was pleased that there is now a Black man and a White woman who are serious contenders for the presidency. However, she cautioned people not to place all their hopes in either Senators Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama or in any one candidate.
“I think we have a messiah complex in this country,” she asserted. “We need an individual upon whom we can confer our own power…I am concerned that we might all go back to our individual lives after the election and assume that whoever is elected gets to carry the ball from then on. And I remember what happened when Bill Clinton was elected…I remember that there were fewer collective movement manifestations during the Clinton years than there were during the previous Bush years. And it seems to me that if we elect someone who’s halfway progressive, that’s when we really have to put the pressure on…”
“We don’t need to hand over our collective potential, our power,” she concluded. “We can’t hand it over to any one individual. Let’s keep that for ourselves.”
… and this from the blog link:
• “…During the course of the current election campaign, when Hillary [Clinton] and [Barack] Obama got into it around Dr. [Martin Luther] King and [President] Lyndon Johnson and who was really responsible for [civil rights], the media described it as a ‘ruckus over race.’ It’s as if the very mention of race brings chaos upon us. And of course, we are urged to imagine racial equality as ‘colorblindness.’ So what happens is that we’re told to repress all of this stuff about race that is a part of our collective history, our personal history. We cannot talk about it, and in general whatever is repressed emerges somehow or another, sometimes when you least expect it.”
• On being placed on the Ten Most Wanted List in 1970: “It wasn’t about me…a lot of women [tell me] ‘I was arrested when they were looking for you!’ I have met at least 5,000 women who told me that they were stopped or they were arrested while I was underground and they were looking for me. What that says to me is that it was not about me as an individual…it was something that was used to terrorize people in this country, particularly those people who wanted to fight for a better world, and particularly women, and particularly Black women… Therefore, the victory wasn’t about me: it was a people’s victory. It was an indication of what is possible when people come together and dedicate themselves to struggling for justice and equality.”
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great links in the last thread to paterson, nyco. new york gained something in the new governorship, at least it appears so on that brief read. i liked the horse racing story, and the dna info, and his thoughts on race. segment three especially.
on the upside he briefly mentions curtis mayfield as an influence, who i think is to die for and whos albums i always have an eye open for. (hat tip to ms-xeno who clued me in to the fact that curtis’s dad was percy mayfield, i’d never made that connection)
a little tidbit. mayfield tuned his guitar to the black keys on the piano. open F# tuning. i don’t know of anyone else who did, or does, that.
good luck trying to play it that way!
and imho angela davis is spot on.
Khadr team wins a small victory; Judge says defence can question U.S. commander who changed report about Afghanistan firefight
Comforting to find that Angela Davis at least still has her wits about her.
The Ferarro thing just ain’t pretty from any angle. You have the supposedly progressive (yeah I know) Air America hosts referring to her as a “sour old bitch.”
Just take Angela one step further. We pin so damn much on this quadrennial popularity contest, including how many millions of dollars. Just one more distraction from reality.
I found it, Marisa. On his website click on People, then Women’s Auxiliary, oops I meant Women, then to the right on Learn. Scroll down.
In other words, it is in the last filing cabinet on the right, bottom drawer, towards the back, filed under “Weak” or perhaps “Mealymouthed”.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/womenissues
ko calls the whambulance:
Pretty damn funny that the title of his diary is “spin vs authenticity”.
Is my comment in spam? or was it sucked into a WP vortex?
That’s exactly what I was talking about when I referred to messiah politics. Hell, too many Obama supporters still seem to think they’re part of some social “movement” when the only “movement” they’re involved in is the one led by Obama to get them to the polls to vote for him so he can win.
rif,
Beware the WP vortex. It sucks and blows.
rif…
SORRY! WP sent you to spam.
Thanks for finding it. Geesh.
7 Is that a reference to the “HRC sucks and blows” or whatever it was diary at Outer Mamzolia? The response was a perfect demonstration of the Mrs. Grundy attitude over there. Change the title!! Offensive!! Wonder why your site is having problems when you have made it about nothing but appearances? One longs for an honest response, even if it was “eat my crusty shorts bitch”, anything but this oh my, how awful, someone left a turd on the table.
The site about nothing, with Chance Gardener at the helm. At least the Seinfeld version was funny, 15 years ago, and he had the sense to quit before it got old.
8, rather. Innumerate along with my other shortcomings..
Naybe if we just unbury RFK all our problems will be over.
From invoking him while sweeping Wright off stage left, saying ‘I knew nothing!’ to abortion is ‘divisive’. No, fucking religion is divisive.
Somehow that is in the same drawer with all the names Ferraro was called. Is being called.
Is that a reference to the “HRC sucks and blows” or whatever it was diary at Outer Mamzolia?
Outer Mamzolia. lol
No, I use “sucks and blows” when the opportunity arises – not just in reference to Hillary.
melvin
we must be in Teh Boring Times. I have been seeing this:
God [expletive] America!
What? Ridiculous. jsut live iwth it. He said it, live with it! And if Pastor Wright used “nigger” then PRINT IT OUT!
Whiney wusses. Scared idiots.
LOL Just saw this at IOZ
Oh no.
Obama went on FOX news.
I await the kos koncern trolls to protest…
Waiting…
Waiting…
Wait, here’s a diary calling the kos kops out, and watch how the smug hypocrites bend over to justify Obama’s appearance. They’re so pathetic it’s scary.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/16/15041/2828/208/477776
I await the kos koncern trolls to protest…
Before he went on Hannity’s show on Friday nite, over at Daily Obama they were spinning it as Obamalama beating FAUX at their own game (of course). But they’re not quite so nice about the Clintons doing the same thing. I know, I know…quel surprise!
Obama gets pre-emptive forgiveness.
14 Thing is, that [expletive] business makes it so much more scary, the horror that can’t be named! Really, it’s an ad trick, from old Lovecraft. It leaves all sorts of horrible possibilities open in the mind; did he say, God fuck America? God sodomize America, with a mythological 15 inch black penis? He might have (as far as I know) as long as it isn’t specified further.
I have seen Ferraro’s FOX contract thrown at her too. Fox slag or whatever they used.
So old.
They needed someone other than Bush to hate and inserted, for all her known faults AND THEN SOME, Hillary – and any middle aged woman as stand in.
So transparent. God forbid they orchestrate some real anger at the congress and the party and the fucked elections apparatus, as a whole.
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I know, ain’t it a HOOT!?
19 Well I’m just waiting for markos Chevron moulitsas to mention the Fox connection on his DailyChevronKos website. Not that anyone will notice. Talk about whores, look at the whore in the mirror.
when I was kicking around for links on Obama and Wright, I landed on this. At least a little off the beaten path.
Sad deluded kossacks spinning their own hypocrisy:
So your use of words like “histrionic” and “apoplectic” seem strangly out of place.
Perhaps, you are thinking of a different website?
Are you trying to stir something up?
We are focusing here on advancing our primary nomination process and electing as many worthy Democrats as possible on the down-ballot races as possible.
In that regard, Senator Obama’s successful appearences on Fox, and the many other networks, was a wise decision that has contributed positively towards clarifying any confusion that might have arisen about his repudiation of Reverend Wrights remarks.
Batton down the hatches…big storm brewing: Clinton campaign wants Texas to postpone party conventions
24 That should blow the lid off.
Anyone remember the old Baba Wawa routine about what kind of tree would you be? Following up on Geraldine, I would like to see the interviewer ask America’s BO “If you could be a white woman, what white woman would you like to be?”
25 It’s already a clusterfuck.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5621618.html
Just in case anyone needs a new pair: http://www.operaglasses.com/
I read the other day that at the BO site, they claim both TX and NV as wins. I had meant to look for that today, when it kept crashing on me…
LOL. Even tho the NV DP said no delegates were awarded at the time of the caucuses (I assume he is using the misreported delegate count at the time..) what he bases TX on, not sure.
Last I read NV caucuses, the next ones to support delegates to the state convention were in turmoil.
Give it a break.
He and she are well matched frankly. Maniacs.
melvin… LOL
I think the LAST thing he would want to be is a white woman. Endless daddy search is a big tip off, imo. I know, so Fristian.
Tibet unrest rises to 80, just saw the BBC news alert email…
uh, try not to jump?
hmm Apparently the Blahggers can indeed get dumber.
re: the Texas clusterfuck
It has how the caucus system is set up. Since delegates can change their mind. Word on the street, depending with camp controlled the precinct caucus, folks are claiming people are trying to cheat the system by stacking the deck with replacement delegates who never attended the precinct caucus in favor of their candidate. In other words, they are kicking out folks who were elected by their peers and replacing them with others who are more familiar with this so-called “Texas Two-Step” process. While the chronicle is repeating the nasty rumor that Obama supporter would do not show up for the county/State conventions because they normally wouldn’t be active in the political process, the rumblings are not only are they being replaced but so are Clinton delegates. I am sure the Obama camp are making the same claim too.
And that is just half the story. LULAC is wanting to sue the Texas Democratic Party because they are stating that the delegate process “disenfranchises” the border counties. Their argument is that the Primary allocates delegates based on turnout of the previous election, a vote for delegates in San Antonio or south Texas is actually worth less than a vote out of Houston or Dallas. And remember, Houston is the 4th largest city in the US, so, no matter how intense the Dems can be on get out to vote during the general elections, they will never reach the same number of voters in Houston/Harris County nor Dallas/Ft. Worth.
I have my pair of opera glasses, but where I am sitting, it is easier to duck and cover.
22. great article.
A Goldman Sachs trader in New York said: “Everyone is in a total state of shock, aghast at what is happening. No one wants to talk, let alone deal; we’re just standing by waiting. Everyone is nervous about what is going to emerge when trading starts tomorrow.”
Oh, bullshit. They just thought they could get away with it. They COUNTED on it happening to little people on an individual basis. They’re bullshit financial “products” have built into their business plans a certain “acceptable” number of little individual depressions, families devastated, all built on the marketing of hope and ever-expanding possibility for “growth”.
I remember getting a briefing on a REIT (Real Estate Investment Trust) Mutual Fund a year or so ago. I looked through the prospectus, listened to the description of what it invested in, and said to the person, “this is a Ponzi scheme.” She just blinked at me. I’m no financial genius, but …
Those fucking traders are all full of shit. They just thought that they would get away with it. The grift is coming home, that’s all.
Thanks… apologies for the periodic Paterson information dumps but everyone in the whole state is trying to quickly do their homework on the guy. (I only knew him well enough to feel disappointed when Spitzer tapped him for the useless position of Lt Gov; I really wanted him to stay in the state Senate where he could do more good… or so I thought!) It is also of interest, I feel, because Paterson is a black politician and that seems a relevant subject vis a vis the national election. If I come across links that seem relevant I will share them.
Here is my take. Paterson seems to be the real deal, and real because he is the product of an establishment. One particular branch of the black political establishment in America, a quite venerable one that is more than ready for prime time at this point. We’ll see. I am quite hopeful though am not expecting miracles.
A lot of people are comparing him to Obama as if they fall into the same category, but I don’t think they really do. Obama is all about non-establishment politics and The Great Global Melting Pot and new paradigms; Paterson is a product of the traditional racial/ethnic political divides in this country – although, I feel, a very modern product.
He’s also not afraid to talk about peak oil – although he probably could get away with more frankness when he was Lt Guv.
http://www.oilism.com/oil/2008/03/15/david-paterson-first-openly-peak-oil-aware-governor/
The TNR thing you linked to Marisa is telling:
The second issue is how we should feel, normatively, about the fact that Obama maintained ties with Wright, even after presumably realizing that he held views Obama now calls deplorable. I’m not prepared to render judgment on that here. But I do worry that this lays bare a very grim truth: That even middle-class black American culture is more angry and alienated than most whites understand, and that our country is simply not yet at the point where even an ostensibly post-racial black candidate can escape that dynamic entirely.
WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE TO? Why would it be DESIRABLE for them to “escape” it? Why the fuck is it a surprise?!?!
Why can’t this country just FACE what it is? I didn’t hear one thing in the Wright excerpts that everyone is so horrified by that was unexpected or that I hadn’t heard before. Even the AIDS conspiracy theory is old news.
Angela Davis: ““I think we have a messiah complex in this country,” she asserted. “We need an individual upon whom we can confer our own power…I am concerned that we might all go back to our individual lives after the election and assume that whoever is elected gets to carry the ball from then on.
Yep.
See: Spitzer, Eliot.
Thanks for the “Obama and Me” link. Interesting reading.
Has anyone noticed the recent proliferation of “fantasy baseball” posts on DK lately?
I guess in times of extreme stress, the site reverts back to its primitive state…
Supreme Court Inc.
The people have no institutional defenders anymore.
Perrin:
30 Let them jump. It’s not like they know how to do anything useful.
Spitzer’s Trysts: Stop Over-Thinking This
An economic populist like William O. Douglas, the former New Deal crusader who served on the court from 1939 to 1975, once unapologetically announced that he was “ready to bend the law in favor of the environment and against the corporations.”
well imo – tho it can conceivably happen again – we will not be getting a Justice Douglas again, not any time soon. Nor any of the landmark legislation of the 60s and 70s.
CA legalised interracial marriage in ‘48, thru the State SC, not thru waiting for the will of the people. We won’t be getting anything like the Warren court (warren a former governor of CA), not for decades.
we are so stuck.
Have a laugh 2
a kind person popped me this… Wright erased from Obama site. With screen captures.
Looks like Wright was removed from a Testimonials page under people/faith/someething or other.
Housing group challenges Fed’s Bear Stearns deal
More…
I suspect the Feds will manufacture some sort of record to “prove” Mishkin voted.
William O. Douglas – Yakima’s greatest son! The Yakima Valley Museum has an extensive exhibit on Douglas. It is amusing to watch tourists from far away when they wander into it and are astonished that he came from here.
Recently Subpoenaed Journalists
Boing Boing has a link-heavy post with reports about Tibet, both from there and from China.
Some of the posts about Chinese reactions to the protest are really, really depressing. It’s a wonder the human race hasn’t wiped itself out years ago.
Oh, and this little tidbit, which I had missed in the endless streams of objectionable shit that Bush does:
A Boing Boing reader writes them:
‘Fox News Sunday’ prods Obama on no-show
well… I am for the people of Tibet. Period. Now if that is best served by this rising up, I am all for it.
But let me add, really leery of kindly old Dalai Lama. Cute as a button as he may be (we see a lot f him here) He is far far too close to Dianne F and husband Blum. We heart the old DL as he is Anti Commie.
So here’s to ordinary people getting freedom, autonomy and a far far less restrictive life. Less invaded too.
While we waged hideous war in Vietnam (for Freedom! for Democracy!), one of the places in the 50s and 60s that one could follow events (however propagandised) in Tibet was the National Geographic. Awful awful.
Offense Taken lol
The Clinton Rules and The Obama Rules
Appalling and inflammatory. And true.
thanks for the NYT Supremes pieces, Madman
here, from the they don’t make ‘em like they used to files, an article in today’s Sac Bee, Judge hopeful for settlement in California prisons overcrowding suit:
one of a dying breed, or at least unappointable anymore, hanging on now in senior status – his first job out of law school was in Bobby Kennedy’s DoJ . . . the 1st Black attorney working in the deep south in the Civil Rights Division – attorney, perceiving MLK to be in danger, loaning MLK a car cost him his job:
take a peek at this “Partial listing of decisions of note” & weep
oops, I see I missed yet another editing delete – while I’m here, another quote from the SF Chron about that:
“I was shattered,” he recalled. “I felt a failure, just out of law school, my first job.”
Good doc on Showtime this month:
AMERICAN DRUG WAR
The doc I linked to fits in well with that piece you linked, Arcturus.
Did anybody see the NY Times Week in Review retrospective on Iraq?
The politics of the columnists ranged from the far, far, far right to the far, far right. I think the plain far right was too liberal for them.
the far right is known to be near the center/right.
Which is known to have a passing acquaintance with the center.
And the center is just too singed from the center/left.
And anything else is Troskyite, Commie, Leninist, Maoist or free floating Demon Cat.
LOL as I heard some loon on Fox radio call the dems (if only)
The Demon CAT party.
LOL
LOL I hope Team Obama is not surprised:
From a quick look at today’s dueling conf calls, via Halperin’s The Page (rides at the top).
His senate schedules have been a thorn with the media for a long time (as were Kerry’s)…. what a hoot! I read somewhere (think Tapper) that what Obama has released of his [US] senate years tax returns is … 2006 only.
Gotta laugh, may they advance to mutual destruction.
Carl Hiassen on the mess of a do-over and Demoratic and voting messes in general. Very amusing.
And may I say I endorse No 8:
Fro m the spinorama files:
Yes, they knew he’d be a “distraction” even back then but Obama let him join the campaign as an advisor anyway – hoping nobody would notice?. Weather? My ass. Like the pastor doesn’t own a warm coat?
Obama’s church accuses media of character assassination
I find it interesting that Obama can come out and “condemn” what his pastor at his church said, fire him from his campaign and yet he gets a free pass for that while it’s “the media” that’s supposedly involved in character assassination. It truly makes my head spin.
There must be discipline!
Dad has spoken. That’s the New & Improved Dad, of course.
lol
LOL I find Wright less interesting than I guess I am supposed to… unless these preacher people actively distinguish themselves otherwise I look at them as brokers. One sort or another. Esp if they are in a ghetto of some sort. supposedly his church is two blocks from fairly extensive projects. I don’t know Chicago otehr than what I read, I have not been there…. Over the past year it was clear, Wright would surface as an issue, there were some references to his rhetoric but little specific. When I heard his pulpit work, my first thought was, he is winding up the faithful. No real problem with it… but I don’t know anything about him… and … well that is about it.
I DO however see in just the few tapes we have been treated to snips from, that, particularly the Jan 13 one (where Bill rode Monica) he sells Obama as Black liberator (not that I see!) or other form of savior, jesus or messiah.
Call me suspicious. I see obama s a politician, and frankly something of a con. Wow big news.
There is really no cacaphony indicating that Obama ever did much for his district. And some indication in the Dallas Observer link I have upthread (comment 23), that he did nothing.
Soem commentary has surfaced that he was rather hands off about organising as well. Just snips here and there.
So tell me Pastor Wright, what up?
JP Morgan buys Bears Sterns for $2 a share. Oh, bet investors are pissed.
“JPMorgan Chase & Co. agreed to buy Bear Stearns Cos. for about $2 a share after a run on the company ended 85 years of independence for Wall Street’s fifth- largest securities firm and prompted a bailout by the Federal Reserve.
The central bank will fund as much as $30 billion of Bear Stearns’s “less-liquid assets,” the two companies said in a statement today. The deal values New York-based Bear Stearns, with 14,000 employees, about $270 million, far less than the $4 billion market value on March 14. The stock had fallen 80 percent in the past 12 months.”
Fire sale. Popcorn!
“If that continues, you’ll have more chances to discuss this issue.”
Picture Steve Martin bowing to Kermit for his tip.
“Oh thank you. Thank you. Thank you…”
FREE MONEY, FREE MONEY, FREE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND THAT’S NOT ALL, FOLKS!!!!!!!!!
DON’T PANIC, EVERYBODY! THERE’S STILL PLENTY OF FREE MONEY, FREE MONEY, FREE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!™
In the meantime, please obsess about what some obscure preacher whose church a presidential candidate attends says in his sermons. Sermons are VERY IMPORTANT, almost as important as newspaper editorials. No one has ever been known to tune out during the former, any more than anyone has ever glazed their eyes over the later while paying attention to sports highlights on television. Also, please obsess about what lies between the legs of the various presidential candidates, and be prepared to spend lots of time talking about what color the appendages (if any) are. This country is currently conducting 3 unsuccessful wars (that the MSM is willing to admit to there may actually be more), and the less attention you pay to them and the collapsing economy, the better.
Its a crucifixion. Nothing less.
I read today that Obama opened his rally in Indiana with a prayer, as a bow to the conservatism of the state.
We are so blessed and so healed.
I am just going to veer off into sarcasm.
Well John McCain is doing his bit… he is in IRaq, I think, for the anniversary of his release from the POW Hanoi Hilton.
We are blessed. Hosanna.
[...] Looks like UK economist is warning that the “world is now close to a 1930s-like Great Depression.” (h/t to MarisaCat) [...]
lol JJB.
The Nikkei is tanking.
Down -514.61
Allegedly Illinois-shaped cornflake for sale on eBay.
LINK
14 bids. Bid now stands at $32.
1) Shoot me now
2) It doesn’t even really look like Illinois
3) How unusual is it really for a cornflake to be shaped like Illinois?
hmmm I would say that Illinois would be the default shape for a cornflake.
Tomorrow is going to be one funky day in the markets. They are already expecting the Fed to cut interest rates Tuesday morning to stem the tide from Monday. It may not do the trick this time, the dam is bursting. Yikes, this could get incredibly ugly.
4) I need to start paying more attention to my food. $$$
liberalcatnip, no. 76,
I’m just LOL as my 401K goes down the tubes.
Come on, you [insert loathsome ethnic slur for people of Japanese extraction], THERE’S STILL PLENTY OF FREE MONEY, FREE MONEY, FREE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!™, boost that Nikkei, Boost That Nikkei, BOOST THAT NIKKEI, RAH, RAH, RAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![Forgive me, I've been watching too many basketball games this weekend.]
I wasn’t lol-ing for that! Just the way you wrote it, JJB.
Meanwhile, bloggers are fighting over who’s going to save the economy as president. Even Jeebus couldn’t pull off that miracle – not with so many factors involved.
Oh, I wasn’t aware that Obama or Clinton had even talked about the economy yet.
84. It was somewhere in there between hope, change, and denounce & reject – I think.
And not to worry, McCain’s over in Iraq to push the gov’t into making better,faster oil deals with US corporations while Cheney’s hugging the Saudis – winking and nodding all the way.
Remember Rachel Corrie – hard to believe it’s been five years.
I had the old TSP in foreign funds. It was fun to watch it go up, now I am as fucked as anyone else.
78 – That’s nothin. Image of a piece of toast seen on face of the Virgin Mary
Image of a piece of toast seen on face of the Virgin Mary
lol
Remember Rachel Corrie – hard to believe it’s been five years.
Five years that history will refer to as “The Early Years of America’s Occupation of Iraq.”
Krugman on Greenspan
Iraq Vet: Rules of Engagement ‘Thrown Out the Window’ (from the winter soldier hearings)
Clinton, Obama backers tone down rhetoric – kind of, but not really. And what is this obsession with Clinton’s tax returns? Getting info from Obama has involved an effort similar to extracting a tooth.
Meanwhile – almost 4,000 US soldiers are dead in Iraq (add the rest of the carnage here); the economy is collapsing; people are homeless and don’t have health care; Cheney & McCain made “surprise” visits to Iraq at the same time this weekend (and you know that was definitely pre-planned); oil’s at $110/barrel etc etc etc but the MOST IMPORTANT THING is Clinton’s tax returns. Totally fucked up priorities. And people wonder why people don’t vote for Democrats. Sheesh.
hmm not good news:
hmm here is an interesting tid bit:
Meanwhile pwogs still can’t spell.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/17/72734/9474/896/478105
What kind of music makes you feel invincible to the GOP horde? Early Patty Smith. Oh, I thought you said invisible. This week it’s Clifton Chenier and Ani DiFranco.
That’s “Patti” numnuts, who, btw, still suports Ralph Nader.
96 interesting that MB names as one of his favorite blogs Empire Burlesque. mamz long ago got his panties in a wad and banned Chris Floyd on some baloney charge of violating the precious site rules.
Absolutely spot on, from Goat:
Re: Jeremiah Wright and Rachel Corrie
Reading discussions about both, I’m beginning to realize just how religious a culture the USA.
It seems to me that the USA sort of has a state church, state worshipping Evangelical Protestantism. Pro Israel right wing Jews and right wing Catholics under Pope Nazi are useful for making it look multicultural but in the end, they’re auxiliaries.
Jeremiah Wright’s “sin” is that he sees religion as anti-state, anti-patriotic. He sees the prophetic tradition of Jeremiah and Amos calling Americans to repentence.
The state church can’t have that.
Rachel Corrie seems to have become some sort of left wing equivalent of a Catholic saint. People keep posting the same few images. It reminds me of some of the older Catholic women in my family with their saints and pictures of Jesus.
My Name is Rachel Corrie becomes an American leftist Oberammergau Passion Play.
And this is what drives right wing Jews batshit. They see the whole “the Jews killed Christ” imagry sneaking in through the back door.
And they see left wing Jews as traitors, Christian converts.
But if we follow Jeremiah Wright’s version of Christianity, there’s no need for them to worry since religion means criticism of the state.
And in the end it seems to me that the evangelicals are hoping that Jews will eventually convert to Christianity as evangelical state worshipping protestantism becomes the state religion.
The more that right wing Jews become state worshippers, and the more that evengalical Protestantism becomes the state religion, the more they’ll be tempted to convert.
There won’t necessarily have to be a lot of coercian. Evangelical protestantism will just naturally appeal to state worshippers.
98 I’ve been thinking about this.
There are a whole bunch of people missing the point here when they posit this equivalence between Wright’s statements from the pulpit and those of Falwell, etc in their assumed role as pundits. Maybe the worst is Rand Rhodes rabbiting on about church and state should never mix, etc., therefore Wright should not comment on public matters. This is simply ridiculous. She would neuter the ability of the religious to criticize the state in any meaningful way. Baby with the bathwater.
She misses the point that there is a great difference between Congress endorsing religious views and someone in a pulpit criticising policy. A power differential for one thing.
If one says that there is something wrong with a pastor criticizing from the pulpit, one is participating in further shutting down civil society, the role of civil life as opposed to the formal legal structures of government. It really is the difference between informing policy and deciding it.
I see this as somehow connected with the horrible road we are already down of making everything a matter of law. Is there no life outside of legal definitions and restraints?
And the prophet Randi Rhodes said, thus saith the Lord. Thou shalt have no gods before the Democratic Party.
DJIA down 158 points in less than 15 minutes of trading.
I would imagine more FREE MONEY!!!!!™ gimmicks will be rolled out today.
I am so glad I followed my dad’s advice. He would rather chop off an arm than incur debt.
Dow is now back in the plus column an hour later!
See everything’s ok
You’re right JJB, free money gimmicks rolled out yesterday apparently, Bushco has an emergency session on a Sunday to let big biz know they’ll bail them out. The world markets are appalled and skeptical, the boyz club here goes “Way cool dudes!”.
LOL Donna Brazile quite exercised and, I would say, nervous on ABC GMA just now. On Wright and related issues. Her counterpoint was Juan WIlliams.
But it all falls apart (and Donna drops her neutral stance) when she says that Obama is uniquely situated to get us past race.
What a hoot! Do they hear themselves?
And she also said he is running to be Commander in Chief not Preacher in Chief.
Could have fooled me.
Obama: for universal health care before he was against it.
Why is JPMorgan doing so well? Even Blair is on their payroll.
The drama queen strikes again.
What he should have just written was “I was for Clinton when I thought she could win (because winning is everything) and now I’m against her.”
“I was for an extended primary before I was against it.”
“Casey, Webb, Tester etc = “progressive”. ”
“I like military metaphors ie. “civil war”, “coup”"
That would have summed it all up.
Instead, he goes into a long screed where he can’t even make the case he’s trying to sell ie. that he fully supports Obama. And the deluded commenters who think he is behind Obama call him “brilliant” etc. So in need of a daddy, they are.
It’s all an illusion. “Progressive”, my ass.
Maybe this is old news, but I slept thru the morning, so missed it.
I suppose he means “debilitating”.
dehabilitating
That’s Bush English™.
Obama plans major race speech tomorrow. Place your order for a fainting couch now.
From Ambinder, full text
oops sorry catnip, did not see your link before I posted…
And, just in time for the speechifying, Wright’s church has edited its site. (And no, I don’t agree with that post’s statement that the church is “racist”.)
Wait – it looks like those edits were made in 2007. Sorry.
He’s really counting on his speech – refusing to answer media questions on the issue.
The Black American Divide.
MitM, (I think it was you…)
I’m looking for the link that was posted here to the comedic take on the subprime issue (video). Can you post it again, please? Thanks! (cheesecake forthcoming)
hmm Obama interview on The News Hour, with Ifill. Comes on here in about 30 mins.
Ben Smith has excerpts and link to the transcript.
looking around, and I try to go places that don’t get bots or paid stroturf (hard to find anymore)… threads have absolutely degenerated.
Have no idea about Dkos, cannot face it, have not for montsh but for the odd link or emailed thing.
gah.
think HCfM mentioned yesterday how ludicrous was the NYT weekend article on The War. CLutch of righties all togetehr.
FAIR has an article up on the mess of it all.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3317
Here is a tidbit. Obama went to the 2002 Black Caucus weekend to drum up support for his ‘04 run and came back very disillusioned with what he found. Longish quote from Wright, apparently they discussed the CBC weekend post event.
“and fomenting civil war, and she doesn’t care”
Kos is fomenting at the mouth.
And suddenly, he wants to write off a chunk of his readership as inside-beltway types. He is such a small little boy.
But feel the love pouring from his loyal kos kidz!
Honestly I think the race so far has been terrible. All about them, two egos with thin resumes.
Couple of thin underweight animals. Well ti is what it is.
People seem to love it, want to invest in it. The money is so big now we will never get free… Large factions of the party will do anything to put either in.
Nancy has come as close to endorsing Obamalamb as is possible. And kos takes his cues from that end of the party, at least by now.
Good luck.
great link upthread to “the black american divide” by angela winters.
its important we be aware of the romance novelist viewpoint.
LOL From the Black America divide link
What a hoot! And I think he is another strategising centrist who won’t do much but feather the Obama nest. And front for war.
118 – Catnip
I don’t remember what it was or where I got it, or even if it was me!
Sorry!
CONfidence
My latest: The Delusion revolution.
Winters is a romance writer? Who knew?
I don’t remember what it was or where I got it, or even if it was me!
No problem, MitM. I’ll track it down.
Coming this Friday:
BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Body of War | PBS
Wikileaks: The Battles of Mosul and Samara
From IOZ:
Material costs had not increased.
Not exactly true. The softwood lumber dispute was one of the factors that led to increased prices.
NEW REPORT: ABU GHRAIB PRISONERS PACKED IN ICE WATER-FILLED GARBAGE CANS AND SENT INTO SHOCK, MILITARY POLICE SAY
The actual New Yorker article isn’t available on their website. There is a related page w/ some video interviews taken by Errol Morris here
Tomgram: Philip K. Dick Meet George W. Bush
Reviving Vietnam War Tactics
When I watched the 60 Minutes piece on sleep deprivation last nite, I waited for them to address that technique as a means of torture. Crickets chirped instead.
How “progressive”:
Not enough TRs to get hidden.
They’re so full of sweetness and light over there.
Brrreaking: The Daily News (no link available yet, sorry) says NY’s new governor confessed that he had an affair. Oy vey.
Paterson affair link.
etc…
Thank You Jesus!
They knew to get it out there, first, in their own words together.
Hosanna for real.
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OTOH
I am touring the saner of the conservatives… and the generally lame Democrats.
The Demcrats are quite desperado that Obama get the nom. I say go for it.
The R are being very mthodical about Wright and for Obama’s chances, long term, it is not pretty (merely an observation, nothing more). And they are just getting going, at least on the available for public viewing level.
BTW, more than a few, quite dispassionately, buy-in to what I see, obama likely agnostic or largely disinterested but the church provided a large welcoming and voting congregation.
Does not seem they ever held his feet to the fire either. My guess, Wright was happy to have an up and comer among the congregants. And they tithed pretty generously (think around 22k in the 2006 IRS return)
Seems like any church.
One reason I don’t like them, any of them, but glad when they do whatever “good works” they find time for.
obama likely agnostic or largely disinterested but the church provided a large welcoming and voting congregation.
Joe Scarborough was pushing that idea … something along the lines that “any politician would join the big congregation with 8000 members” or something along those lines.
well it, along with the endless father search, makes sense to me.
Not to agree with Scarborough.
The other thing is the Obama camp seems perplexed (up to and including the afternoon conf calls) and was not at all ready to deal with this coming up.
What universe do they live in.
What universe do they live in.
Obama seems to believe that if he doesn’t think something is a big deal, it isn’t or shouldn’t be to anyone else either.
Did you catch his interview with Ifill where he said (paraphrasing) that because he’s now involved in DC politics, issues like Wright have to be addressed? I’m not characterizing what he said all that well but it came across as being odd and naive.
Obama and Jeremiah Wright
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George Bush and Billy Graham
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Billy Graham and anti-semitism
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What Billy Graham says about Jews.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/02/Graham_Nixon.html
It’s OK if you’re white.
CHICAGO – (KRT) – Rev. Billy Graham openly voiced a belief that Jews control the American media, calling it a “stranglehold” during a 1972 conversation with President Richard Nixon, according to a tape of the Oval Office meeting released Thursday by the National Archives.
“This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” the nation’s best-known preacher declared as he agreed with a stream of bigoted Nixon comments about Jews and their perceived influence in American life.
“You believe that?” says Nixon after the “stranglehold” comment.
“Yes, sir,” says Graham.
“Oh, boy,” replies Nixon. “So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”
“No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something,” replies Graham.
Later, Graham mentions that he has friends in the media who are Jewish, saying they “swarm around me and are friendly to me.” But, he confides to Nixon, “They don’t know how I really feel about what they’re doing to this country.”
I notice pastordamned is posting his preacher expertise vis a vis Wright on the secular kos channel.
Difference between pastordan & pastor Wright:
Wright cursed America
pastordan cursed Marisacat.
147. And who can forget this greatest hit?
Frankly, as an atheist, whether G*d blesses or damns America doesn’t matter one bit to me. Prove G*d exists and then maybe I’ll care.
Billy Graham = Anti-semite
Franklin Graham = Muslim Hater
I’ve always noticed a lot of simularties between anti-semitism and Muslim hating.
Even more, during the Middle Ages Jewish converts to Christianity were always accused of practicing Judaism in secret.
Hillary Clinton is recycling a very old, anti-semitic slur when she implies Obama is a secret Muslim.
But it’s OK if you’re white.
Hillary Clinton is recycling a very old, anti-semitic slur when she implies Obama is a secret Muslim.
When did she “imply” that (hint: saying “as far as I know” after repeatedly stating he’s not Muslim doesn’t count).
HA! A lot of people have damned Marisacat. One way or another.
I can say it has made no difference.
Much like intemperate invocations from pulpits.
When did she “imply” that (hint: saying “as far as I know” after repeatedly stating he’s not Muslim doesn’t count).
When Mr. Benjamin Disraeli says he does not practice Judaism in secret, Mr. Gladstone was quoted as saying, I have no reason not to take his word for it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli
Of course that never happened. Accusing Jewish converts to Christianity of practicing Judaism in secret was considered bad form by then.
Hillary’s being medieval, not Victorian.
Suspend the collection plate and they’d ALL go into a different business than the God Business. Suspend them being handmaidens to the worst desires fo the political class (war, all too often) and they’d go into a different business.
Good works all too often the cover story. And little more.
It is all about the status and power of leadership. Which after all is Fuhrershaft in antoehr language.
BTW, thsi is interesting,.. I am about 2/3 thru it… TNR dug it up, from the 2000 run Obama made agaisnt Bobby Rush for the congress.
Here it is, catnip.
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/32188-how-the-markets-really-work
I found that subprime video I was looking for.
Good timing, rif! Thanks.
153. And…umm??
LOL Obama is nothing if not sanctimonious. God it is predictable! That means it remains and is an issue, however people run at it. he constantly hangs nis sanctimony out in the breeze.
One of his implied defences is that no one should ask him anything nor accuse him of anything. That ratchets it all UP.
Geesh get real (meaning Obama).
The righties have a comment he made about Imus (I am trying to find it again, I read it somewhere tonight), about the struggle to raise his daughters in this sort of atmosphere. Ha. They are more likely immersed in every afterschool lesson the Obamas can pay for.
But that comment will be set agaisnt Wright rhetoric.
The oddest thing is that Obama seems to have thought his Jesus rhetoric meant this would nto come up. Amazing.
The old complaint, the Dems are flat footed, tin eared. In another dimension.
Shockwaves knock £51bn off UK shares
153. And…umm??
Benjamin Disraeli was a conservative British Prime Minister in the 19th Century. He was from a Jewish family but was brought up as a Christian. As far as I know, he was never accused by his opponents of practicing Judaism in secret.
In other words, we’ve gone backwards from Victorian England. I can’t believe you’re denying that Hillary is running the Obama is a secret Muslim campaign through her surrogates.
Wall Street fears for next Great Depression
I can’t believe you’re denying that Hillary is running the Obama is a secret Muslim campaign through her surrogates.
And I suppose you have proof of that? (E-mails sent out by now-fired staffers don’t count.) You don’t think the Repubs are perfectly capable of running such a campaign without Hillary’s help?
And you don’t take Obama’s word for it when he says he doesn’t believe it’s a coordinated Hillary effort?
And I suppose you have proof of that?
OK you’re denying it. No skin off my back. I don’t support either of them.
You don’t think the Repubs are perfectly capable of running such a campaign without Hillary’s help?
I think it’s coming from both Hillary and the Republicans and is proof at how much growing up Americans have to do.
no at some point, I think Thursday he switched. I caught it in a Q and A…
Now he says that HIllaryland is/was circulating the photo taken in Africa.
LOL.
Time has the Ifill/Obama interview transcript.
Here’s the part I found odd:
He was a state senator. Apparently, he had no problem keeping relationships with controversial people like Rezko and Wright then. Didn’t the people of Illinois care? Or did they just not know?
In the end, if this kills Obama’s campaign, Hillary gets beat by McCain. McCain gets to deal with the recession. And Obama waltzes into the White House in 2012, beating the 77 year old McCain in a landslide. And the Clintons are out of public life for good.
Now he says that HIllaryland is/was circulating the photo taken in Africa.
I missed that then. Whatever works at the moment, I guess.
And yes, HcfM, I do (often) deny things that aren’t proven – like the existence of G*d, for example.
And yes, HcfM, I do (often) deny things that aren’t proven – like the existence of G*d, for example
That means you would have denied Cointelpro in 1969.
Once again, I’m not voting for either, but I DO think what Hillary’s doing is poisoning race relations in America for her own ambition.
And perhaps an even worse thing she’s done has been to pit blacks against Hispanics.
You’re right, at least according to the latest Rasmussen poll that both Dems are losing out to McCain because of this Wright controversy. And whose fault is that?
And Obama waltzes into the White House in 2012
I don’t have a crystal ball but I don’t see that happening.
Oh i don’t think this kills the Obama run. The Dems are committed to elevating him, as I see it. Enough of them.
And the R have fresh meat to roast, which is what they do.
That means you would have denied Cointelpro in 1969.
The fact that I was 10 then might have something to do with my not even knowing about it at the time.
perhaps an even worse thing she’s done has been to pit blacks against Hispanics.
They were pitted against each other long before Hillary announced her nomination.
Oh i don’t think this kills the Obama run. The Dems are committed to elevating him, as I see it. Enough of them.
He exploded onto the national scene because of his 2004 convention speech. There may just be another orator waiting behind the scenes to steal his thunder.
The fact that I was 10 then might have something to do with my not even knowing about it at the time.
Copout.
They were pitted against each other long before Hillary announced her nomination.
So were the Sunnis and Shia in Iraq before the USA invaded. You need something there to exploit.
HcfM,
The Sunnis and Shias? Wtf does that have to do with Hillary Clinton?
And, you will note above that I wrote that I “often” deny blah blah blah. I do have suspicions about some things but if I’m either going to believe in them or write about them, I need something more than innuendo – which is all I see in this Hillary/secret Muslim stuff that you’re pushing and which you can’t provide any backing for.
The Sunnis and Shias? Wtf does that have to do with Hillary Clinton?
I thought the point was pretty obvious. You excused Hillary’s playing off racial tensions between blacks and hispanics by arguing that they preexised her campaign, and I just gave an example of how common “divide and conquer” is.
which is all I see in this Hillary/secret Muslim stuff that you’re pushing and which you can’t provide any backing for.
Bob Kerry is a Democrat connected to the Hillary campaign, not a Republican.
If you want to contribute to the atmosphere of “put your shit out there but leave yourself room to deny” be my guest. But, as I said, I find this process more insidious than anything about Hillary, Obama or McCain.
Remember, I couldn’t “prove” that Bush was behind the Swift Boat attacks in 2004 either. But that’s the way politics works now.
I’m not going to excuse Obama for throwing Wright under the bus. But I’m not going to excuse Hillary for exploiting racial and religious tensions either.
As I said, I’m not voting for either.
Hmm…it seems I’ve been signed up to the Liberal party’s mailing list. I’ll have to fix that right quick!
You excused Hillary’s playing off racial tensions between blacks and hispanics by arguing that they preexised her campaign, and I just gave an example of how common “divide and conquer” is.
Well, just how did she pit those groups against each other any more than they already were?
Bob Kerry is a Democrat connected to the Hillary campaign, not a Republican.
Google what he said for me and post it. (I’m tired here).
But, as I said, I find this process more insidious than anything about Hillary, Obama or McCain.
Which is exactly what I wrote about on my blog earlier today. It’s all obscene – from all sides.
As I said, I’m not voting for either.
I certainly don’t blame you. They’re both the same and neither if “progressive” (whatever that means today – the definition seems to be ever-changing on the BBBs).
Google what he said for me and post it. (I’m tired here).
Something about Obama attending a “secular Madrassa.” That’s a bit like a Christian Yeshiva.
Which is exactly what I wrote about on my blog earlier today. It’s all obscene – from all sides.
What I find ironic is that for all the hand wringing about Ron Paul being a crypto Nazi it’s the Clintons who wound up racializing the campaign.
And if you saw that NY Times editorial retrospective on the war, you’ll realize how badly not having a genuinely anti-war candidate hurts the discourse.
I didn’t know there was such a thing as a Christian Yeshiva – not that I know much about yeshivas. And what’s wrong with saying that Obama went to secular madrassa? Doesn’t “madrassa” mean “school” and doesn’t “secular” mean “secular” ie. non-religious? If that’s all that Kerrey said, I’m not sure what the issue is. (?)
I don’t have to read those NYT editorials to know how much damage is done by not having a real antiwar candidate. As I wrote at my place, Justin Raimondo (of all people) now calls Obama an “antiwar candidate”. I don’t know what he’s smoking.
What I find ironic is that for all the hand wringing about Ron Paul being a crypto Nazi it’s the Clintons who wound up racializing the campaign.
honestly I have to laugh. Tough as they are, and they are tough, Obama wants us to believe he came up thru Chicago politics. No… no race/racial/racist games there.
And yet, over and over the agrieved bambi in the woods.
We enter day 5, 6 of Wright, writ large after circling for a year – and obama is still flapping about.
As I wrote at my place, Justin Raimondo (of all people) now calls Obama an “antiwar candidate”. I don’t know what he’s smoking.
Raimondo likes anybody he perceives the Israel lobby as hating. The Israel lobby likes Obama a bit less than Hillary or McStain. That’s about it.
And what’s wrong with saying that Obama went to secular madrassa?
I went to a secular Madrassa I guess then.
Former senator claims Obama attended a ’secular madrassa’
And I think Raimondo demonstrates the pitfalls of being anti-zionist and a conservative, of seeing Israel as something inherently un American instead of just the ultimate expression of American imperialism. Anti-zionism without a larger critique of American imperialism just becomes conspiratorial and in the end vacuus.
I went to a secular Madrassa I guess then.
Not me, I went to those damn Catholic schools. Is it any wonder that I left the church when I was 16?
As for the Israel Lobby, Obama’s buddies have been very busy pumping up his creds in the Israeli newspapers with one of his surrogates (I quoted it here form Ha’aretz) saying he has a “perfect record” according to AIPAC. Like I said, I don’t know what Raimondo is smoking.
Like I said, I don’t know what Raimondo is smoking.
He’s a right wing anti-zionist. He sees American support for Israel as a conspiracy of a small elite group against the larger American public.
The truth is that Americans support Israel, not only because of the Israel Lobby (which of course exists and is powerful and toxic) and not only because of oil and American imperialism (the line Chomsky and most Marxists take) BUT because Israel and America share a common imperialist culture.
Americans aren’t tricked into supporting Israel. They willingingly do it because they willingly see Israel as a little piece of America surrounded by Arabs.
That’s what Raimondo doesn’t get in some ways.
I think Ron Paul had a somewhat radical critique, draw down the USA’s imperial footprint but he never had much of a chance of winning.
So Raimondo’s just fishing around.
184. Thanks for looking that up, bayprairie. I still don’t see what the big deal is about the word madrassa. And, frankly, I couldn’t care less if Obama was a satanist, for that matter.
I can seen where Kerrey saying “madrassa” and “Hussein” at the same time raised eyebrows.
You know – what America and all democracies need are people who will just say “Fuck this sensitivity and endless spinning crap…if you don’t like me, don’t vote for me. Period, End of story”. But I guess they don’t spend a gazillion dollars thinking they can get away with that kind of blunt honesty.
Anti-zionism without a larger critique of American imperialism just becomes conspiratorial and in the end vacuus.
Raimondo is anti-imperialist as well.
Oh I think Raimondo is in love. Along with Sully.
This is one to sit out. No matter who goes in, the future is ugly.
No matter who goes in, the future is ugly.
No doubt about that. There will be no turning of water into wine, no fishies for the masses, no manna falling from heaven. (See? I did learn something in Catholic school.)
Raimondo is anti-imperialist as well.
But he doesn’t see the “root causes” of imperialism. He doesn’t have a class analysis of imperialism. He see’s it as a network of elite conspiracies. That’s why I used to like him but find him increasingly tedious. He tends to react, to be a ping pong ball. He envisions this powerful lobby of elite interests and just bashes what they’re in favor of and defends what they hate.
So supporting Obama just seems natural for him. A lot of the Israel lobby is racist and white supremacist and Raimondo (man crush raging) gets to defend Obama against it.
no manna falling from heaven. (See? I did learn something in Catholic school.
How about flocks of birds? Not one of God’s best moments.
Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels’ food: he sent them meat to the full. He caused an east wind to blow in the heaven: and by his power he brought in the south wind. He rained flesh also upon them as dust, and feathered fowls like as the sand of the sea: And he let it fall in the midst of their camp, round about their habitations. So they did eat, and were well filled: for he gave them their own desire; They were not estranged from their lust. But while their meat was yet in their mouths, The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.
So the Israelites whine that all they have is manna and God says alright I’ll send you some flocks of birds. Then he gets so pissed wathching them eat the food HE GAVE THEM he decides to go on a smiting spree.
Jehovah was a major league asshole.
He see’s it as a network of elite conspiracies.
I thought you liked conspiracies!
(kidding)
How far off is he if he believes that though? Just look at Bilderburg, Bohemian Grove, the SPP , this “new world order” stuff (not the Illuminati type but what’s been pushed by world leaders for quite a while now) etc.
Anyway, I don;t know what Raimondo’s gig is. He also voted for Nader in 2004 decrying the “liberal intelligentsia that has betrayed the cause of progressive reform” yet now he’s voting for a Dem. Like many libertarians, I think he’s just perpetually confused. (See: Moulitsas, Markos)
193. Obviously, G*d hates fat people.
had given them of the corn of heaven.
He’d better be sending more down soon considering all of the corn that’s now being used for ethanol. While he’s at it, could he fix global warming too or is that too much to ask?
Obviously, G*d hates fat people.
Jehovah shows just what a pig he is in that little episode. He’s got the Israelites wandering through the desert for 40 years.
1.) He gets pissed when they ask for water.
2.) He gets pissed when they ask for food.
So he shows Moses how to bring them water, THEN just because Moses fucks up the command a little, he bars him from the promised land.
Then he gives the Israelites food and when he sees them eating it, he changes his mind and decides to kill a bunch of them.
He’s a seriously abusive parent.
Are you saying that G*d is a Republican?
Are you saying that G*d is a Republican?
No. He’s voting for Hillary. He’s afraid of what her surrogates might say about him.
I’ve never understood why people put the asterisk in God.
Are they afraid of being stoned?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc
pa dum pum
I’ve never understood why people put the asterisk in God.
I just do it to get in good with the k3wl kidz. If I don’t believe in G*d, why would I believe he’d stone me? Does not compute.
new thread
LINK
The peculiar theology of black liberation
I don’t know enough about black liberation theology beyond what I’ve studied about the Rastafari movement so I can’t comment on how accurate that summary may be but, again, I think it exposes the political pitfalls for Obama and his pastor problem.
spengler?
religious claptrap
i think the asterix in god is an outgrowth of the jewish prohibition of saying YHWH/yahweh or JHVH/jehovah. sort of like muslims writing PHUH (peace be upon him) after the name muhammad, it’s a religious verbal tic. n