Just a thread………… 29 May 2008
Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.trackback
New Orleans……………
I am laughing that the threme of this election, at least the last several months, most assuredly is: denounce, deny, reject, repudiate, renounce… and what else? Oh yes: EJECT.
I have no idea what is coming but no doubt we follow the bouncing ball down the street … If I thought any of the drool and spit from the religious pulpits, right – left – center – as well as off the page!, would be avoided/not embraced/not used next go round, I’d be thankful.
That won’t be happening.
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too bad the one thing that won’t be ejected/rejected/denounced … militarism.
It’ll be our doom.
militarism…
our true religion. And really few ministers REALLY reject it. They go along, jolly the congregation along from this wind up to that wind up.
Among other things they don’t get around to, not REALLY.
Will Obama’s faith-based initiatives office (which he said he plans to keep) be funding the Quakers any time soon? (she said in jest)
lol…Murdoch Almost Ready To Endorse…Obama
And I must have missed the dkos diary about Francis Fukuyama endorsing Obama. If there was one, it didn’t hit the rec list. I wonder why…
Renounce! Deject!
Eject! Eject!
The songs are up at our friendly neighborhood winger’s joint.
Hope Obama denounces and rejects the rumors that he could still be sneaking the odd cigarette or two … might become a campaign issue.
Hilarity ensues.
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Y’all got a fine sound there, lucid. Best of luck with the album. 🙂
Oh mon dieu. If this doesn’t sound exactly like the run-up to the Iraq war, I don’t know what does.
Officials: Iran, al Qaeda in secret talks
Someone seriously needs to deprogram Ari Fleischer…or pull out his batteries.
How predictably irrational are you?
My score: (25-39, iirc)
“You are neither wholly rational or irrational, exhibiting both types of behaviours”.
(At this moment, anyway.) 🙂
Hey catnip, maybe it’s irrational for me to point this out, but your link doesn’t work.
lucid!
AWESOME! Really good stuff!
Does your manager have any contacts in Austin? I could get a boatload of people out to see you. You should definitely bug him about coming down in the Fall for the Austin City Limits Music Festival — not only would you get lots of exposure, but you’d have LOT of fun too….I like ACL even better than SouthbySouthwest (fewer noxious spring breakers, more serious music lovers! )
When is the album going to be available? I want! 😉
Hmmmm . . .
I wonder if this is a veiled threat by Gannon/Guckert to out Scottie?
Anyway, I don’t know how much SM (sort of a joke/pun there) has received for this book, but he may find himself shut out of the Easy Money jobs former WH press flacks get when they leave DC. Or maybe he’s now set himself up for lucrative gigs as a guest commentator with the rep of Former GOP Flack Who Dared To Deviate From The Party Line. It certainly is an indication that the MSM and all its subsidiary parts are accommodating themselves to the idea of a Democratic controlled White House and Congress next year.
Very good piece w/r/t SM (the former POTUS pressperson, not the personal peccadillo) by Louis Bayard, who worked as a press secretary on Capitol Hill at one time:
Link here.
Two comments in Moderation, apparently. And I have no idea why emoticons are popping up in the middle of the second one.
Now the accidental emoticons are gone. Weird.
Sorry about the emoticons… they will appear with a quotation mark ” against a close prens. )
I just go thru and change the close prens to a bracket…
Totally ridiculous crane collapse in Manhattan. Seems much worse (and the pictures are just awful) than first presented.
I made the mistake yesterday of reading that Marcotte TPM piece somebody linked to a thread or two back. Gack. I’ve made soapdishes in ceramics classes that turned out less shallow than that. And the soapdishes didn’t take up nearly as much room, either. [rolleyes]
Re: McClellan, it’s so cute the way Democrats can always find a “courageous” or “maverick” Rightie to wet themselves over, but anyone to the Left who looks at them sideways one day a week gets non-stop abuse, followed by shunning. Or is that the other way around– shunning followed by abuse ? I forget.
LOL ms x
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that was me wot linked to the Marcotte flutter butter. She takes the cake. It really is a race between she and Valenti of Feministe who blogs (or did) at NARAL for shallow.
And iirc they both have done shameful and revealing time in scatter shot mayhem with WOC bloggers. Across more than a year now…
May they vote for obama and be cleansed. Hosanna.
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Oh Democrats are always happy when they think a R is “helping” them. One of their biggest institutional faults.
Hey catnip, maybe it’s irrational for me to point this out, but your link doesn’t work.
Sorry! link.
LOL Bob Dole on McClellan:
I loved it when Kerry was so naive as to think Dole would belly up and help his old senate “friend” in ’04…. Yes that was amusing. to watch.
It is so clear that little Scottie Dottie is counting the glowing green dollar signs in his head.
There’s a live Q & A with Scotty at WaPo right now (12:30 ET). I felt twinges of sympathy for him when I watched his interview with KO last nite but a little voice inside of me kept saying, “don’t let yourself be sucked into the dark side” – my conditioned reaction to these “reformed” wingers.
Check out kos’ latest book cover. Too bad he couldn’t find the letters to highlight the word “EGO” instead.
I really only have respect for people who QUIT. At the time, speak out and take the heat of a propped up adminsitration wanking the terror (or other) game.
I think the last few noticeable quits for principle were 3 (or so) diplomats in the run up to the war (J Brady Kisling – Infomration Officer at the embassy in Athens the most prominent, and then Ann Wright) a small number from the Intel side of the bed in the run up to 04… O’Neil seemd to go as a protest, but then faded from promoting his book, left Suskind to tour alone and without the administratioin/cabinet person the book tour died early…
3 resigned from HHS to protest Clinton welfare “reform”, Wright-Edelman (husband of Marion of Childrens Def Fund) being the most prominent.
Cyrus Vance under Jimmie.
They really have to rise to some prominence to matter.
Altman, physician / reporter at the NYT, is a fly in the ointment w/r/t the Obama medical OK overview.
For “fair and balanced” Altman ws specifically barred from reviewing the McCain 1000+ pages of medical records.
From kos’ book thread:
lol
Jerry ter Horst resigned after about one month as Ford’s press secretary over the Nixon pardon.
27. I really only have respect for people who QUIT. At the time, speak out and take the heat of a propped up adminsitration wanking the terror (or other) game.
I agree – especially when it comes to matters of life and death.
It seems Scotty’s found another bubble to inhabit ie. believing that the fault largely lies in the “permanent campaign” mode of the administration but it seems to me that every gov’t is in that mindset (and certainly not just in the US). They govern to retain power. Of course I haven’t read his book but one of the huge lessons to come out of his experience should have been how dangerous it is to blindly follow a leader’s ideological pull without at least trying to look at the entire picture objectively (which is one of the biggest complaints I have about the cult of Obama, obviously, since almost everything he says and does is excused).
I also noted that when Scotty was asked by KO whether the DHS used terror warnings for political advantage, he basically said he didn’t know – even though Tom Ridge publicly admitted that they did back in 2005. I think Scotty has a lot of catching up to do.
totally forgot about the Ford [ress guy…
I know there are others but those come to mind.
There was a very righteous rant last night on KGO, and from a host well to the right of me, about BULLSHIT on these generals. You oppsoe a war, fucking RETIRE if going thru channels fails… and SPEAK UP.
I agree with that. I have zero respect for ‘staying inside’, angling for a third or 4th star. Speaking out in hushed tones when it suits.
I had no respect for the big hoopla about a year ago for the retired generals. They all took a dive imo. Before they all dived they were exhibits in a ZOO.
There is no opposition in this country. There is mind meld.
One thing this run provides is chuckles… from First Read:
I love the “.5″s Makes it all so ponderous and scientific. Enough for America anyway…
Everybody went to DP math class the past few weeks. May they congeal.
What I don’t get is how the Dem party lawyers supposedly only figured out last week that only half of the delegates could be seated (?).
Another question: if the super-delegates were created to decide what to do when there’s an obvious rift, why have they been coming out with endorsements before the process is over – or have I got that wrong? I thought they were the last resort.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4964884&page=1
Mcat, #24:
Well, maybe Dole and Kerry can get some tasers and go out hunting protesters together.
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when we go down we will be muttering
curveball
aq khan
saddam
bin laden
mullah
ayatollah
cleric
and so on. Still not admitting we administered the poison to ourselves. Over and over.
From Democracy NOW! I admit to absolutely loving this sort of thing…
More political interference, no doubt: Military judge dismissed in Canadian detainee case: Pentagon
I guess that’s what Brownback gets for not acting like a Bushco sockpuppet.
cheap gas is now $4.45 in davis. i kid you not.
at this rate, we may make 5 bucks a gallon before mid-june. some huge jumps there.
gas
agree… not long now. New bet: Over 6 by end of summer.
AND an acquaintance of mine had just paid 4.23 outside of Sacramento on Sunday….
gas….
yeah, even here, where it runs 10-15 cents below the national average, “cheap” gas = $3.79.
I filled up today because my “canary stations” already have $3.83 to $3.89 showing….the price has gone up over a quarter/gallon in the last 3 weeks.
AND, never forget, Sunday is the first day of hurricane season….
yipe.
remember when gas was under $2.00/gal & any proposal for, say a ~ $0.25 tax to fund alternative energy was scoffed at cuz it would ruin the economy? we’ve lived on the cheap & in denial for so long now
read in the Guardian this am that the oil-price bubble may burst in the fall – not that that means cheap gas again
& from CA’s Killing Fields: 17 years old, pregnant, & dead for want of shade & water:
Teen farmworker’s death, probed as heat-related
& Employer of farmworker who died had been fined for violations [a whopping $75 per!]in 2006
heee heee — son the younger (going to be five in August) just told me he has a baby girl named Pete in his tummy and she won’t come out until next year.
I think I would be even more bat-shit crazy than I already am if it weren’t for these kiddos!
Yeah, Arcturus, I remember, I also remember saying that we were going to pay and pay big for that denial. We are whining about the price of gas (and it does suck massively), but when I lived in Japan in the early 90s gas cost the rough equivalent of $5 a LITER. I didn’t hear anyone whining.
There was so much we could have done to stave this off…I’m not sure there is any time left to do anything to avoid the crash. I have been saying for several years now that the bottom will come in mid to end of 2009. I may be wrong, but I do know we haven’t seen the worst yet…not by a long shot.
well he was a horror and responsible for a lot, but the rather mild changes to ‘the way it had always been’ w/r/t energy from Jimmie were shut down pretty quick.
And, I will say what i always say, a lot easier to live with high higher always high gas prices in countries with so much transportation infrastructure that they have redundancies of modes of getting around.
I love the standard liberal line that we should learn… etc. Well we should have learned about energy conservation a long time ago, now it just is shitting on the poor, over and over. They REALLY cannot afford a country with lousy to poor to no mass transportation and a mandated need for cars. [end of rant]
America bought the rubber tire, sprawl, and gas oil farm long ago.
BTW, I recently read that except for the odd toe hold in the US, the Firestones, as a family, have decamped to Turkey.
Trash it for a 100 and more years, then move on.
re#46 — oh, quite right you are, Marisa, and the “not-so-poor” as well.
I should’ve added that in the 2 years I lived there, I didn’t own a car and actually purchased gas only 2 or 3 times for road trips. My bike and the train got me everywhere I needed to go.
There is the old argument that providing decent public transport is so much easier in smaller countries like Japan and the like, but I look at what the Europeans have done — ACROSS countries and I know that USAers are just making excuses for a raft of bad decisions…
yes to provide and plan for transportation in the US, all they had to do was map out and look at the country as regions with various city hubs.
the car and the plane were allowed to be dominate.
hmm the usual thrill-a-minute:
Meet the Press: McClellan, Obama-supporting Daschle, Clinton adviser Ickes
This Week: McClellan, Clinton chair McAuliffe
Fox News Sunday: Clinton spokesman Wolfson, Obama supporting former Rep. Bonior
Face the Nation: Obama-supporting Sen. McCaskill, Clinton-supporting Gov. Rendell
Late Edition: Dodd, Sen. Nelson, Dem strategists Simmons, Rosen, GOP strategist Sanchez
[waves at brinn]
Well, I’ve mentioned my woes with traversing the sacred bounder between WA and OR by bus all week long.
The two transit companies, the two sets of elected officials all having their damn pissing matches, the drivers often being ill-informed jaggoffs– especially on the WA side. One of them confiscated my fare one day because he decided that I owed him extra money for the trip;Despite the fact that his company’s own website contradicted him. So I got double-dipped that day and paid about four dollars to take what would have been a twenty-five minute trip by car.
The official stance is that you should be responsible and be a good citizen and not drive. The unofficial stance is that if you ride the bus, you’re a pathetic subhuman at best and a potential criminal at worst;So bend over one more time because here it comes again.
Shit. >:
The official stance is that you should be responsible and be a good citizen and not drive. The unofficial stance is that if you ride the bus, you’re a pathetic subhuman at best and a potential criminal at worst;So bend over one more time because here it comes again.
yes…………………….
and here is another… my very Republican law firm refused to participate in the Federal (and it may be in conjunction with State and local programs as well) program of tax incentives for picking up part of an employee’s transportation costs. They thought it was unethical or Socialist or some damn thing.
Many of the bigger employers in town had an automatic… hmm 50, 60 75 dollar monthly add-on to paychecks under the program… Even if you sought to decline it as not needed (say you lived a few blocks away) they issued it anyway.
Geesh. Get with the program, for everyone’s benefit.
too right, most mass transportation is MISERABLE.
It seems Scotty’s found another bubble to inhabit ie. believing that the fault largely lies in the “permanent campaign” mode of the administration but it seems to me that every gov’t is in that mindset (and certainly not just in the US).
Of all the lies told by the ruling duopoly and their remora (like Scottie), I hate this one the most. They aren’t “campaigns”, as in contests between dueling political groups, they are simultaneous PR campaigns run by two different companies selling indistiguishable products. I ESPECIALLY hate the AARP “Divided We Stand” insurance-marketing-masquerading-as-a-movement campaign, with that fucking purple elephantish thing logo.
A democracy is, by it’s fucking nature, a “divided” polity. Our system of law and government don’t work if there is loud, ugly, boisterous division and debate. Our problem now isn’t the “permanent campaign mode”, its that there isn’t any DEBATE in the campaigns.
BTW, dig the new stuff lucid.
hmm against my better judgment I went to read the post and thread on the latest KosCon…
guess he is a latino again, for now.
I won’t even start on our dying bus system her in Milwaukee, slowly strangled to death by a County Executive (just reelected, so several more years of this shit) who supports ONLY buses that ferry suburbanites into work. The rest of the system can whither and die, and his supporters in the fucking ‘burbs love him for it. Hell, he wouldn’t even let a referendum on the ballot to ASK if citizens IN THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE PROPER, would support a 0.5% sales tax to support mass transit (vetoed it when the county board tried to put it on the spring ballot). Hell, I know sales taxes are regressive, but as long as you don’t charge it to food I think asking everybody in the city to help pony up a little for buses that you can rely upon isn’t asking too much. Hell, they passed a bigger one to build fucking Miller Stadium.
Sibel Edmonds’ Kill The Messenger at DOXA festival
GMAFB … more race-baiting and other bullshit from Geraldine Ferraro:
Hey, dumbasses … you’re not getting treated unfairly because you’re white, you’re getting treated unfairly because you’re poor and/or stubbornly uneducated and stupid. Why are you uneducated and stupid? Because you voted for people who sold you religion, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, militarism and the destruction of public education BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T WANT THE COURTS TO TELL YOU TO SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WITH BLACK/BROWN/RED KIDS.
So fuck you … read the thing in the bible about reaping and sowing, you dumb motherfuckers. And don’t tell me you’re not racists, because it’s the FIRST thing you see, followed closely by your know-nothing disgust with getting a higher education.
who sold you religion, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, militarism and the destruction of public education
you know what?
I voted for a fucking boatload of godamned asshole condescending fucking DEMOCRATS who sold the same load of shit with a different line of propaganda.
One fo the reasons I regret every vote I ever cast for a candidate. And unlike a boatload of “democrats” online I never once voted for a R.
No what I got handed was a generation and half of machine Democrats.
Let the Pflegers and the Ferraros and the Wrights and the Hagees and the Clintons and the Obamas OF THE EARTH tear at each other.
I wish they just ran card shark cons and not run our lives.
every single one a cash seeking missile. IMO.
add women hating. To the long list. And no it is not about poor old damned Hillary.
58 – Oh, I agree. Me too, but the thing that bugs me about her whole line is she talks around the whole problem, and uses the same tools she claims are the problems.
I’m maybe too close to the whole “reagan democrat” demographic, b/c it describes many people I grew up with and much of my family, so that whole argument really sets me off. I’m in no way arguing for Obama (who is playing the same game). It’s all bullshit, but I’m especially sick of white, xtian, working class whining about how they’re the victims. Not saying that they aren’t victims of our social setup, but that they identify and vote based upon the wrong identified enemy.
I’m sick of all of it, though I must admit the Clintons and DLC/Blue Dog assholes especially work my last nerve.
As you say, may they all congeal.
Oh noes … San Francisco values!.
Run, hide, vote for the winger!
I’ve had a DVD of Spike Lee’s Katrina jointin my house for over a month. Maybe this weekend I’ll finally manage to finish watching Act I of the Requiem.
Rights-a-Roni – the San Francisco bleat!
Spike Lee in spam?
Snag in deal to return Texas sect kids to parents
At the opposite end of the spectrum from the picture heading this comment thread, we take you to Long Island, Dix Hills, specifically, where I grew up in a house approximately 2 miles from the McMansion that a rapper unknown to me called 50 Cent recently purchased, and, well . . ,
This place is located a stone’s throw from a house where a woman named Alice Crimmins used to co-host skinny-dipping parties/orgies with the cross-dressing/bisexual boyfriend who ratted her out to the NYC cops who railroaded her into jail for infanticide. If you aren’t familiar with that case, Google “Alice Crimmins.” Anyway, the boyfriend had two children, both of whom I knew, one a generic BMOC quarterback two years my senior, the other a young girl my age who walked around with the saddest, most vacant expression I’ve ever seen. The scandal hit when she and I were in 8th grade. He beamed his way through the Senior Class high school yearbook, and then the family disappeared.
I guess I should also note that Amy Fisher’s lawyer during the incident that made her infamous, the guy who authored that line “he took me to expensive restaurants and took me to cheap hotels” lived 3 houses down the street from where my parents still live. Just what is there about this area that draws such people? Anyway, I’d noticed that now fire-gutted McMansion on a number of occasions when I’d gone back home to visit my parents. It’s also about a half-mile from the high school I attended. The people charged with putting out this fire that could very easily have spread to nearby houses (there’s a lot of highly flammable evergreens very close to this bit of real estate) are all volunteers who have better things to do than deal with the petty grudges of gangsters masquerading as artists. If not for their efforts, quite a few people could have been killed. It’s also very lucky that a of rain has fallen there recently.
I saw a photo of the house after the fire was out… whoever did it, torched it to the ground, but for a back wall.
that spike lee katrina joint was heartbreaking. just the first bit is bad enough, but the years that go by with fucking nothing done to make things right, that was too much to bear. and what kills me is, you know that if spike made a sequel, that the same damn thing is going on now.
fucking vultures.
hmm parental notification qualified for the ballot again… despite being rejected thru the vote, twice, 2005, 2006.
Two wealthy Catholics are largely behind it… Sebastiani of the wine.. and an OC Catholic publisher. And the Council of Bishops of course.
so kos is disrobing his latest screed at the wortham center in houston?
heehee. i’m sure the houston literati will turn out (much like the cattle do) in droves.
too bad oklahoma city was booked.
and since we’re already on the subject of wannabe senator from texas, rick noriega:
of course he’s reluctant. its bad press otherwise. he’s an upper-echelon officer in the texas guard and my five bucks says headed down to the rio bravo to interdict undocumented workers crossing over to the east bank. worker’s who are guilty of a willingness to work in this country for low wages.
oh for christ’s sake, are you serious, marisa?
after shooting it down twice?
i suppose we’re going to have to vote that thing down every couple of years until they run out of money.
it’s as bad as tim eyman up in washington.
wu ming
yeah back on the ballot…. Hopefully Field will poll soon on the issue…
Screw the fucking Catholics. All of them.
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Doesn’t Noriega sound just great. gah.
hmm it means there will be an abortion/teen issue AND gay marraige on the Nov ballot.
And whatever else.
one of these years, californians will break these people off at the knees, out of sheer irritation. hopefully this is the year they take the show somewhere else.
i suspect a ham-fisted attempt to drive little fractures between white, black and latino dems in november as well. it didn’t play in 05/06, hopefully it doesn’t take this year either. the youth vote coming out for obama should help a lot, but i would love to just bury this stuff decisively.
so fucking tired of it all. at least pick a new sin to scold the neighbors about, like onanism or something.
Ballot Off™. Apply directly to the fundies.
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fractures between white black and latino? You think?
They better worry about gathering in white women – as well. And I see no sign of it. None…and I took some time tonight to tour the lousy shit kicker blogs. I don’t pay much attention to polls, I consider them part of chatter, but the new numbers out of Pew should be noted.
No sign of it… in fact what I see is working it in the other direction, and working it hard. These boys that run the blogs and their Dem party connections know perfectly well what they are doing.
so fucking tired of it all. at least pick a new sin to scold the neighbors about, like onanism or something.
Isn’t the continual re-filing of defeated measures a FORM of onanism?
My cats want to know why Robert Wexler is yelling.
my imaginary cat wants to know why you are torturing your poor cats …
😉
When I turned on CNN and saw that hearing, the first thing I saw was the little sign on the front of the table coming loose on one corner. It hung there, swinging back and forth, sorta like the party.
2 of the 3 cable nets, and C-Span, showing their dog-and-pony show live, and they can’t even get a decent setup of their tables.
I’ll stick to CNN International.
Apparently the party’s big worry today is that they look “together” (as in, nto emotionally overwrought) and businesslike.
Well they said it, I didn’t…
Speaking of not looking together …
from the Ambinder live blog:
ah yes. the famous moment when Howard wanted to LEAVE THE FUKCING PARTY LIKE AN ADULT WOULD DO, after Iowa.
LOL this should go well, esp with the “sexist racist media” (what? Us? Democrats?? never!) still around to screw things up.
Too funny. A parade of the wounds.
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worse … in 2001, 2002 I would comfort myself with Waxman’s file cabinets.
So over them.
my imaginary cat wants to know why you are torturing your poor cats …
In my defence, it was completely unintentional! I turned on the teevee and there he was and I was wondering if he was having a mic malfunction. Could he please yell just a little bit louder?? Not to worry though – Obama Cat has gone outside and the elder queen cat quickly took cover so their poor little ears have now recovered. 😉
I don’t know if I have enough tea to survive this circus.
flipped it back on, only to be treated to that walking corpse, Bill Nelson. Is it just me, or does he look like an undead version of Robert Wagner?
Think I’m going to go out for a while. Sunny & 70s here … might as well go out and enjoy it.
so much concern for voters from a party that doesn’t resist Republican disenfrancisement, a party that does everything it can to keep Greens and other parties off of the ballot.
bastards, all of them.
The Corporate State and the Subversion of Democracy
What a clusterfuck. Why doesn’t the Dem party just draw straws to decide which state should go first in the primaries each time?
hmm well word was around that “the fix” was in… but the sense today is that they got hardly anywhere at their 5.5 hour (”.5” is critical to appear important) private dinner last night, with 28 of the 30 in attedance….
hmm my guess they will staple something together, claim they addressed all issues and “concerns” and clomp onward. Supposedly one of the big fears is that they not wind this up today, all neat and businesslike within a working day.
Bonne Chance…
In other news, it seems Axelrod has a documentary hanging fire on the good Fr Pfleger. As well he serves on the board of the church.
Separation of Church and State?
All you can do is laugh.
gojg back over the 2005 and 2006 results by county, the trend is reassuring, from 52-47 no to 55-45 no. still closer than i’d like, but in the right direction. the other point of hope is that a lot of those counties that blew out 2-1 in 2005, in the foothills and down the valley, were ,more like 55-45 or 50-50 in 2006. the sac exurbs up in the gold country were surprisingly close, for their reputation as GOP strongholds.
as much as the online blogheelers might not give a damn, i suspect that (long with the slow generational tidal shift on sexual and social issues) one major part of those numbers moving is pro-choice white republican women crossing over. as the valley gets more and more suburban, and newcomers move in to work at the office parks of sacramento, we’re getting a different sort of republican suburbanite, in place of the old conservative farm town model. still reactionary on a lot of stuff (arcturus will vouch for that), but they’ll deviate on school funding, and apparently rightwing abortion bills as well.
one thing to watch after the nov. election is counted is what the overall % ends up being, and how those inland counties break down. my guess is that the marriage amendment will follow a different pattern, although the effect of those june marriages on counties far from SF is anyone’s guess. could be a positive (as people see their friends and neighbors married, and get a stake in it not being overturned), could be a negative (as something that was safely “bay area” comes to disrupt their little mayberries). probably a bit of both, truth be told.
90. hmm my guess they will staple something together, claim they addressed all issues and “concerns” and clomp onward.
This is all so incredibly undemocratic – the whole system.
In other news, it seems Axelrod has a documentary hanging fire on the good Fr Pfleger.
I wonder when that’s coming out. lol
I finally got my very first cell phone hooked up. 1990s here I come! 🙂
Donna Brazile is playing yo mama to make her point.
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I followed the parental notification in ’05 closely, it would have been a sorry night but for the 9 bay area counties and the strength of numbers over in Alameda pulled it up a lot.
Afterwards i did searches and the ”no” forces (the pro choice pro teen vote, imo) had blanketed the state with editorials and opinion pieces. NOW and iirc to a lesser extent NARAL along with LofWVoters, Democratic party, and the CA AMA had fully joined forces. A lot of phone banking and canvassing. This is the full on alliance that the Democratic party will with hold in other states. The ad that was run was smart and subversive. They used “Keeping Teens safe” as the foundation for the NO vote. Inspired.
I could not pay as much attention in 06 and remembered the vote as closer than 10 pts.
The Catholic bishops will not be giving up… nor will the funders of this foolishness.
thsi does not negate that the party, at the national level, has, imo, abandoned choice. They hope, in their collaborative mentality, to “save birth control”. And there is still the foundational basis of Griswold that I believe is the real objective in rolling back abortion. Not doing anything so blunt as overturning Roe… but we live under Casey and NOT Roe
Hmmm..it looks like they’re launching the Dem rules committee into space…or something. Hasta la vista, babies!
knu thred
LINK
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do they have their binkies… or their well wetted down thumbs?
if so all is fine.
Okay. Why is Barbara Boxer talking about Dog and the garden of Eden on C-SPAN? Apparently that was the Dem response to Bush’s radio address about climate change. Jeebus on a stick. Stop the preaching.
link to Boxer’s address.