War over tits… 21 July 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Afghanistan War, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, Israel/AIPAC, Pakistan, WAR!.trackback

photo: BBC
All that hot sweaty bother. After 4 years, an appeals court has decided to toss the fine levied on CBS for the quick flash of Janet Jackson’s right tit…
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. government’s campaign against television indecency was dealt a blow on Monday when a court overturned a $550,000 fine against CBS Corp television stations for airing a glimpse of pop singer Janet Jackson’s breast during the 2004 Super Bowl broadcast.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit said the Federal Communications Commission had “arbitrarily and capriciously departed from its prior policy” that exempted fleeting broadcast material from actionable indecency violations.
Four years? Think they will be ending any war, anywhere?, anytime? When consideration of a brief flash of breast took 4 years?
There were a couple of interesting aspects back when it happened… it was, not readily apparent in the above photo, a real, un-enhanced breast. And, I figured right away that Alabama lit up like a cranky christian christmas tree at the sight of her flower design pastie. Must’ve driven them crazy. IIRC that is one of the states that bans sex toys. I-L-L-E-G-A-L. If only they’d ban Jeeeeeeeeeeeesuhs. But tassel decorated pasties, I am sure, are the Great Evil in Alabama.
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Other than that, I suggest we call him Barack of AfPak. Or, maybe, Barack of the Whirled.
SPIEGEL: Critics say the trip is nothing but a PR stunt to strengthen his foreign-policy credentials and that he has only rarely been to Europe before.
Rice: Senator Obama has travelled to Europe, Africa, the Middle East and South Asia many times before. He lived in Asia. He bows to nobody in his understanding of this world.
My, but these people are ahead of themselves. The Fall, when it comes, should be interesting.
They are careful to advertise continuing war, at all times:
Rice: Obama’s view is that circumstances in Pakistan and Afghanistan pose the most dangerous threat to Europe and the US right now. Al-Qaida is regrouping and reconstituting their safe haven; the Taliban are gaining strength. Europe is closer to that threat than we are. Yet, we all have to take it very seriously. The US has to put more resources and troops into Afghanistan, and NATO should do the same, while — to the greatest extent possible — lifting operational restrictions.
He and his are so earnest. It is just gagworthy.
The interview Lara Logan did with Obama * is being picked apart here and there, but this at the close still blows me away, a day later:
Logan: OK, last question. There is a perception that you lack experience in world affairs.
Obama: Right.
Logan: Is this trip partly aimed at overcoming that perception that, you know, there is doubt among some Americans that you could lead a country at war as commander in chief from day one?
Obama: You know, the interesting thing is that the people who are very experienced in foreign affairs I don’t think have those doubts. The troops that I’ve been meeting with over the last several days, they don’t seem to have those doubts.
So the objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to 10 years.
And it’s important for me to have a relationship with them early, that I start listening to them now, getting a sense of what their interests and concerns are.
Because one of the shifts in foreign policy that I want to execute as president is giving the world a clear message that America intends to continue to show leadership but our style of leadership is going to be less unilateral, that we’re going to see our role as building partnerships around the world that are of mutual interest to the parties involved.
And I think this gives me a head start in that process.Logan: Do you have any doubts?
Obama: Never.
He will direct us, re double us, in our war efforts to the geographical location that sinks empires. And he will be fearless in that act.
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* Until it popped up, via Google, ahead of the CBS transcript of Lara Logan, I had no idea there was a Fox News coin called “Major Garrett’s Bourbon Room”. So reeks of the Old Confederacy, doesn’t it? Reminds me of the slices of pecan pie in Georgia, they were divine, crushed pecans forming the crust, and not some slosh of a jelly masquerading as pecan filling, thick with pecan, thru and thru… But riding atop thoe pie slices … often a little paper Confederate Flag… And nearby a rendering of that near religious myth, Grant surrendering to Lee.
Not to worry! Pulling the level for Barack of AfPak will wipe all that messiness away. Forever.
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Couple of comments that were at the end of the last thread:
Last Saturday I was brunching on a bunch of these pieces from the Black Agenda Report’s Obama File. There were a lot of cogent and pungent morsels within. One I found, The Audacity of Imperial Airbrushing: Barack Obama’s Whitewashed History of U.S. Foreign Policy, by Paul Street, is excellent – truly deserving of a full read and worth the time taken.
He pulls a chain of our government’s imperialist dirty deeds from the memory hole (Think a briefer strain of Stephen Kinzer’s Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq ) and deftly weaves in the words of our “progressive” change agent extraordinare, Candidate Obama, exposing his foreign policy take as less than refreshing or reassuring or new direction.
So what makes it so sparkling, then, so newer than nouvelle cuisine, when served up by Obama?
The saying, presentation is everything, comes to mind.
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McCain and Obama Agree to Attend Megachurch Forum
It has taken a man of God, perhaps, to do what nobody else has been able to do since the general election season began: Get Barack Obama and John McCain together on the same stage before their party conventions later this summer.
The Rev. Rick Warren has persuaded the candidates to attend a forum at his Saddleback Church, in Lake Forest, Calif., on Aug. 16. In an interview, Mr. Warren said over the weekend that the presidential candidates would appear together for a moment but that he would interview them in succession at his megachurch.
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He (warren) said that both had readily agreed, perhaps reflecting how each candidate is courting the evangelical audience to whom Mr. Warren ministers.
…Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, and the business-friendly fundamentalism of the post-Christian Right era don’t set off liberal alarms the way the pulpit pounders such as John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and James Dobson do. The irony is that the agenda of this new lifestyle evangelicalism is more far-reaching than that of the traditional Christian Right: the Christian Right wanted a seat at the table; lifestyle evangelicalism wants to build the table. It wants to set the very terms in which we imagine what’s possible, and to that end it dispenses with terms that might scare off liberals. It’s big tent fundamentalism – everybody in.
But the ultimate goals remain the same. True, Osteen steers clear of abortion for the most part, and Warren, every bit as opposed to homosexuality as Jerry Falwell was, prefers to talk about AIDS relief. But both men — and the new evangelicalism as a movement — continue to preach the merger of Christianity and capitalism pioneered three quarters of a century ago. On the surface, it’s self-help; scratch, and it’s revealed as a profoundly conservative ideology that conflates church and state, scripture and currency, faith and finance…
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Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, and the business-friendly fundamentalism of the post-Christian Right era don’t set off liberal alarms the way the pulpit pounders such as John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and James Dobson do.
They’ve set off this lefty’s alarms for many years. They are the natural outgrowth of the effectiveness of the previous generation’s nuttery. It’s the logical next step in that “movement”, to lock in their political movement into real material wealth. Sorta like the Catholics did as they grew back in the beginning.
Kokesh on Conyers:
Bingo.
IRAQ: Fallujah Braces for Another Assault By Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail
I got the impression that Conyers is going senile.
yeah I had that same impression, couple of years ago… at pressers he would ramble. Talk about himself, drift. All about him, when you come down to it……… Just years of not having to do ANYTHING, able to whine and moan and collect their pay.
story including a list of people appearing before Conyer’s “Justice” cmte.
Need a break from the horror?
How not to do an American accent
The first comment:
Because it never occurs to most of us that America isn’t the center of the universe.
Good Lord, it really is all about them
Protesting HCR 362 at Nancy Pelosi’s House
The Democrats are the Real Problem
Yup.
It’s not just us.
Impeachment is off the table because Nancy is an collaborator in the war crimes.
Bulletin from my garden, a.k.a. the Weed Jungle:
Bee balm
Hollyhock – yes it really IS practically black – when we picked it out, we thought it was a dark blue!
Unknown blue flower – can anyone name it? It just showed up this summer. I like it but I have no idea what it is.
Dragonfly
Shasta daisy
I’m trying to get pix of the hummingbirds, but they move too fast. Amusing to see them divebombing each other to get territorial rights over the feeder. They’re aggressive little things.
I’m having a great time ignoring the political scene. Tonight I’m looking through old cookbooks and making a garlic soup from a Jacques Pepin book. I’ve long been a fan of his, especially his beautiful hands. Bon appetit!
Last thread:
Thanks for the note on Catnip, penlan!
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That’s Borage, Heather. It’s a self-sowing annual herb, whose leaves taste of cucumber. Last I knew it was safe to eat (doesn’t freeze or dry suitably).
Apologies if this has already been posted:
Fish Virus Feeds Fears It Will Spread to Mississippi River
By Kari Lydersen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 19, 2008; Page A02
“CHICAGO — A deadly fish virus has been found for the first time in southern Lake Michigan and an inland Ohio reservoir, spurring fears of major fish kills and the virus’s possible migration to the Mississippi River.
The Illinois Department of Natural Resources invoked emergency fishing regulations June 30 to stop the spread of viral hemorrhagic septicemia (VHS), often described as “fish Ebola,” which was found in round gobies and rock bass tested at a marina near the Wisconsin border in early June…..“
11 – H-RH
If you manage a pic of a humming bird, please link to it…
A few weeks ago as we were heading into the 2,063 fires out here of June/July…. a local station invited viewers photos, there was a fire just south of the city, near the city border… anyway, one of the viewer photographers caught a night view of the fire with a hummingbird rising just in frotn of the camera. Amazing.
Have to shut down and reboot then will pull up your pics, thanks for posting them…..
BTW, Webb on with Rose, for the hour… just stumbled into it… Oh! Such a great guy (not)! war chat, war chat, war chat………
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13 – diane
when in doubt, when the people prove resilient, poison the greatest river. I mean, you have to wonder.
Webb is singing the prasies of the great populist democracy brought to this country by the Scottish kirk… and embodied in teh first administration of Andrew Jackson.
We are so fucking nuts.
13 – I’ve seen some strong circumstantial evidence linking hemorrhagic fevers [including Ebola] to cyanide and other mining chemicals. Exposure to mercurial cyanide is identical to hermorrhagic fever symptoms – and there is severe mining pollution in the areas in which these fevers take place.
I wonder if this was a spill of some kind.
im pretty sure i can guess which historical figure webb would really like to shower with hosannas. but hey, its a lost cause.
Obama in Jordan/Press Conference
The sound wasnt up on the reporters, but I could tell by his answer that he was pinned on his “never” (have doubt) comment in the ABC interview that you highlighted, Marisa.
He did a little damage control, realizing how arrogant it sounded: Better to never say never, said he. Then he said no one can provide a “perfect” formula, but he has no doubt that he can apply the best solution/judgement, after hearing from all sides and applying the facts.
BESTest in the WESTest!
Also got a question (I couldnt hear) re the I/P conflict. Again, the heavy emphasis on Israel needing to feel secure, have a partner. I had to chuckle when he went on to say that each side needs to “look in the mirror.” The chuckle came when he gave an example of what that mirror would show to each side: The Palestinians would need to resolve their internal conflict (like the US-Israel hasnt milked that split, insisting the election result must be ignored and turned their way, ie, no Hamas, period.)
And the reflection for Israel, in the mirror? Well, (surprise, surprise!), there was none.
He started and ended with the Palestinians (surprise, surprise!) He only mentioned the word Israel as part of his instruction to the Palestinians, saying (surprise, surprise!), that the Palestinians had to (get rid of Hamas to) make Israel feel secure, feel that they have a partner they can work with… And their reason for doing nothing before Hamas was elected? That nice long stretch after Arafat died? (Another one they “couldnt” work with.)
(And the silly season, it goes round and round…)
Well, he looked good.
I hear King Abdullah told him that the next president has to pay attention to the conflict, help to resolve it in a “just” manner.
I look for the words “just” or “fair” in our pols when they talk about resolving this conflict. I rarely find them. I guess it’s just too slippery a slope from there to “evenhanded.” And anyone who paid attention during the Dean campaign knows what happens to anyone who utters the e-word (Nancy Pelosi sends in the clowns, wielding knives…)
Full video:
Obama in Jordan/Press Conference
NYCee
thanks for that………… I heard (think via The Page) that Abdullah used “evenhanded”… hmmm.
BTW, Couric interview with him tonight (Obama, I mean) Ambinder has up text snips from it…
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/
if anyone wants a preview. Does not come on here for 3.5 hours…
LOL Cass Sunstein and Glenn Greenwald on Democracy NOW!:
hmm did not seem to stop the R, w/r/t MonicaGate.
Just a little ahead of themselves, just a little
full text via Ben Smith, Politico, Budoff-Brown is on the press plane with ObRama.
LOL It’s a crime! Cry to the heavens! Write your congressman!
Apparently the Denver convention is being called the AT&T Convention.
Weisman goes on to talk about Liberal Lion Teddy and sucking up to Big Pharma money.
LOL It is so helpful to have the reporter questions off mike…
CNN has the transcript, such as it is. He gives long windy answers to unheard questions. Bravo Ob[fuscation] Team!
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My pleasure.
Will have to check out the interview. Funny about the reminder by reporters to candidate Obama, about being “on the record” and not yet in the White House.
He does move gracefully, has the deep voice, and looks great compared to Bush or McCain or… well, take your pick from the Rs or Dems offered this election cycle (exempting Romney, for those who like the Sears & Roebuck, robe and pipe look
)
Oh, or the Edwards type.
But Obama looks good in that not-pipe-&-robe-or-campus-sweater-boy way.
He makes a good presentation, for sure. I have taken a reading and can report that the Swoon-O-Meter is close to breaking point today.
Yeah, the transcript has what I was referencing re the I/P mirror bit. It’s the second question on it, further down.
Uh oh… saw this on the DK vine.
Looks like the Enquirer is at it again, insisting Edwards has a lover and a love child.
Hmm…
They are going pretty far out on a limb if this is false.
Crooked Timber review of Perrin’s “Savage Mules”:
And what a criticism. Reading “Savage Mules”, you realise what a sorry job Jonah Goldberg made of “Liberal Fascism”.
LOL That’s because Lucianne’s little boy is goddamn fucking dumb.
I noticed Perrin refrenced the Publisher’s Weekly review of his book (he said they did not like it) but he snipped out their closing graf, an assessment of the author, which he said was spot-on.
Oh the travails of the book bizwhiz.
Lousiana Police Electrocute Handcuffed Man in Grocery Store with 9 Tasers in 14 minutes (Two After He was Already Unconscious)
That’s just the beginning. The backstory is fucking wacked. The level of inbreeding, corruption and stupidity in this country, especially backwaters like that, are just amazing.
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Can’t make up mind between vile intent, or the hushed up spill and mines, they’re both so plausible…
Supposedly, humans are unaffected by this disease, so supposedly, it’s a different form of Ebola than that of humans and apes (last I heard of Ebola, it was a gruesome incidence of chimps bleeding from all over their body)
My mind just hopped to anthrax, I’ve always thought it was either conveniently used for, or partially intended to further hone down being able to track communications. I recollect congress persons requesting electronic communication after that yet to be solved mystery. A letter (or a carrier pigeon ;0) )seems the last bastion of anonymous communication (if not physically intercepted). Certainly, one would be hard-pressed to find a phone booth, without a long search and the semi-anonymity of land lines seems to be becoming a quaint thing of the past – I really don’t understand why someone would choose a cell phone over a land line.
And then of course there was that Anthrax rumor (also plausible), about the first victim (his wife filed a lawsuit for neglect of the case) in Florida (they said he caught it from a stream on a fishing or camping trip if I recollect?). The rumor was, the victim, Sun photo editor Bob Stevens, had pics of George and another Yale Grad (illustrious career, now an ambassador, who reportedly has been tight with George for years) in a quaint boys club rite.
Interesting that American Media Center was forced to shut its multimillion-dollar building which Stevens worked in and which was fumigated by Ghouliani and buds LLC: BioOne (see: Giuliani Co. Cleaning Up Anthrax, so much money for our dear politicians to make off disasters), but when BioOne refused to hand over the cleanup data the building owner refused to pay. Tough break to the Ghoulers that time around.
Some more here: Former AMI building declared free of anthrax contamination
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bizarre coincidence
indeed….
Whoever was behind the anthrax acts in October 2001 (and iirc all net works received tainted mail, as well as only Democratic congress people) was showing how far they would go. The most widespread, the most invasive (in a sense) Federal agency, the US Mail, was used. Whoever it was was saying we mean business.
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Yeah, NBC and Daschle were headlined and apparentlly Dr Mengele Frist was the Congressional Anthrax Doctor on Call (that must have been real comforting).
Would agree that the Post Office was the most invasive Federal Agency, but now sending a letter to someone you want to address grievances to seems far more private than any other options.
Shit, if I piss off someone who gives me the one hour run around about bogus charges at my ISP, they have my fuckin password right in front of them.
Jonathan Turley: Obama Adviser Cass Sunstein Rejects Prosecution of “Non-Egregious” Bush Crimes
He gets to the heart of the matter:
Jonathan Turley on Sunstein, in spam.
I am not going back to look at the anthrax, but think it was several Democratic congress people, Daschle probably was in front of the camera lot (I recall he was a pain in the ass on Cspan during those days) as Minority then Majority Leader… LOL It/anthrax happened when they were in the majority. Which they promptly lost in November.
Oh those crafty government types. They get their message over.
By invasive, I meant the US Mail is EVERYWHERE. Little towns, cities, on planes, etc. Intensively everywhere..
It willb e interesting to see what more, if anything, comes out abut the anthrax event (in whcih afterall people died) over the next couple of decades.
My guess, very little.
It was Daschle and Leahy. There is a link of all the targets at the link.
I have a Jonathan Turley link that went into spam.
sorry Madman! I was doing the second of five loads of laundry.
Whew!
I’ve used Sunstein at times in the past (depending if he said something I agreed with) but he is just unreliable now that he is FOO, Friend of Ob… there also is a Democracy Now link up therad, he was on with Glenn Greenwald.
What a busy year that was…all those dominos …yeah, it likely will be long time, if the truth ever does come out…..
Speaking of which, have any of our brave candidates made a peep about unsealing the Presidential records…I thought the stench from that one was equal to the Anthrax, hardly a peep against it, and no time was wasted…..
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Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service,
fucking priceless…….
which is the WINGER defense. Sunstein should be ashamed.
AND the wingers broaden it to “criminalising politics”.
Actually Glenn Greenwald got off some good responses to that scheisse…
#27 Something smells here. If the Enquirer knew Edwards would be at that hotel why don’t they have video of it (and photos?). It makes no sense they wouldn’t videotape it for their website.
they want to have the power the wingers built, simple as that.
to do “good”, of course.
Lieberman proudly spoke at Rev. Hagee’s conference in Washington DC this week. What a guy…..
Thanks for that comment marisa, it sent me off to read the interview
He sure nailed the Twilight zone of “Law” we’re living with:
Sorry about the lack of blockquotes, the last time I tried them I screwed them up, must go read up.
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post script,
jeez, what a bottom feeder, at the bottom of the above linked transcript:
“…Cass Sunstein. He has co-authored the book with Richard Thaler, Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness. He is an adviser to Senator Barack Obama.“
Some people have no fucking shame….this is why I barely read shit anymore, it makes me want to explode for all of the scared and depressed little people who’s daily lives have become hellish, while vile people like this make money selling evil lies……
i have absolute zero expectations that anyone in the democratic party leadership is going make the slightest effort to have any member of bush cabal held criminally responsible for anything. sunstein confirms that i’m correct with my low expectations.
he’s laying out reverend obama’s line. i don’t believe he’s speaking only for himself.
married to samatha power as well now, isn’t he? inner circle!
hmmm.. listening to KGO in SF, talk radio… very interesting.. a blow hard host who has been a SOB on sub prime (it’s all the fault of greedy little people, in fact KGO has had several reprehensible hours on the foreclosure mess) has been completely turned around by the Moyers show of last Friday, with Greider.
LOL except for the excellent profile of a neighborhood in Cleveland, it was all information that has been avialable…. tho Greider was great… plus we are in the heart of one of the Ground Zeros of subprime. Outskirts of Sacto, Stockton and parts of the East Bay and teh Delta region.
I linked to it last post with long snips
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is he? Married to Power?
I hd thought shw was single. What a hoot!
How Oz went Mad Over Benedict.
Couple of dogs of [soft] war mated. What a hoot, thanks bay, for the link to the Irish paper..
and married on July 4th to boot!
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Don’t bitch about the pope.
Waht a joke it all is.
Bay, that’s just priceless. It sounds as though the bride never looked lovelier, so I hope the groom’s comb-over didn’t frizz in the rain.
Here’s a nugget from last May.
But we could easily see Professor Sunstein, an authority on administrative law, snagging a seat on the prestigiously glistening D.C. Circuit — en route to a possible berth on the U.S. Supreme Court.
Yeah I can see that too.
The U of Chicago and U of Chicago HOSPITALS are taking over. Nobody should be surprised.
In light of recent events, here’s an interesting profile of Sunstein and Nussbaum as a “power couple.”
What a relief.
LOL Can’t we just do a quick global replace, SP for MN,
works for me! same gibberish slobber different name.
These people are all the same, mostly. Horrific egoists. Of the borrrrring variety
Given the amount of stuff that Nussbaum has written on love and sexuality this amorous “development” seems a bit ironic, and from her point of view, humiliating.
Nussbaum didn’t anticipate the pernicious influence exerted upon even the most settled “power couple” by the heady proximity to real power. Henry K called it the the greatest aphrodisiac for a reason.
Worth noting that Silda Wall and Eliot Spitzer were at the top of the “power couples” list.
63 This is a certainly unforeseen detour on a thread entitled “war over tits”…
LOL
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Here at Mcat those detours are not a bug, but a main feature. And sometimes even a double feature, which is always great for the popcorn concession.
Obama’s Uncle Charlie sets the record straight.
Excellent advice.
Fascinating diary about the preservation of Lenin’s corpse.
And then on to the good stuff . . .
and never been kissed
‘cept for that much younger woman thing (23 years younger than she)
ahhhhh zee democratik disease!
terminal in every instance.
nu thred…………….
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