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Can’t resist… ;) 27 August 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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Roman Senate at Roman Forum, by sunsrise.
SPQR is an initialism for the Latin phrase Senatus Popvlvs Qve Romvs. The translation is “The Roman Senate and People.”
[by Calovi on Flickr]

BTW, Obama has touched down in Denver…anything hitting the windshields is manna from heaven.

Other than that I am tapped out and we are on Day 1 of a big heat wave…………..gah.

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1. ms_xeno - 27 August 2008

Stupiddy in top form.

…I think many of the people here are simply jealous they are not Markos Moulitsas or some other famous blogger or a senator or congressman or even one of those people who is assigned the task of holding up those signs that say the names of the states….

They care about America.. You people who complain about Democrats at this critical moment DO NOT.

Tonites theme is SECURITY.

Maybe some of you who are too insecure to take a postion should watch…

(How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Donklephant)
;)

2. wilfred - 27 August 2008

LOL, HIllary joins the “Love Train” and just nominated Obama at the roll call.

3. NYCO - 27 August 2008

LOL. Just watched the end of the vote. Pelosi gave no one a chance to yell “No!” What a spectacle! I did notice the slightly exasperated look on Hillary’s face when that happened. Light-hearted exasperation.

Like I said before… it’s not just whistling past the graveyard, it’s an entire dancing chorus of “Thriller” past the graveyard.

Very best of luck to our nominee… God help him, God help us… unfortunately the Dems are beyond help.

4. NYCO - 27 August 2008

PS, I was wrong, this has been the most entertaining Democratic convention there ever was or will be. I am in for Bill and Biden tonight.

5. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

Well, I’ll all sweaty after doing the LUV train dance with Obamacat. haha

(kidding)

6. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

Actually, when I told Obamacat about the Greek monstrosity planned for Thursday nite, he said, “WTF?”

Okay. Maybe it was, “Meow meow meow?”, but still…

OTOH, he could have been asking for treats. You’re just never really sure about these things.

(I’ll probably stop crocheting that little toga for him now though.)

7. marisacat - 27 August 2008

brrrreaking

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

SEN. BARACK OBAMA RECEIVES THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S NOMINATION, BECOMING THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO REPRESENT A MAJOR PARTY AS A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT

8. marisacat - 27 August 2008

6

I am pretty sure Obamacat would accept catnip (the green stuff) and renounce Obama. Funny how that works… ;)

9. marisacat - 27 August 2008

CA

262 delegates overall, 161 for Hillary.

Supposedly the delay and the pass over was a scramble to find alternates, so many electeds who serve in Sacto held back, unable to travel to Denver (we have no budget and Arnold woould not let them leave, tho some snuck out)…. CA had to find alternates to vote as the delegates wanted.

whew. Are we done yet?

10. wilfred - 27 August 2008

Rep. Wexler of Boca Raton is the worst of the Dem Party and a terrible orator to boot. Oy vey indeed.

11. marisacat - 27 August 2008

via Ambinder

“The Obama campaign wanted Clinton to put Obama over the top. The Clinton campaign said yes immediately. A necessary benediction and passing of the torch.”

My guess, Bill, in a petty fugue state, will twist a knife in his speech for that.

I’m all for trouble… LOL

12. marisacat - 27 August 2008

10

He goes thru the motions for impeachment. About the only one other than Kucinich. (not that it matters)

13. wilfred - 27 August 2008

Thanks for that info Marisa. i thought the only “I” word Wexler knew was Israel, nice to know he knows another one.

14. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

8. I am pretty sure Obamacat would accept catnip (the green stuff) and renounce Obama.

I could turn him Green. He’d especially appreciate the “no flossing” part.

15. marisacat - 27 August 2008

Baby used to love the little pots of long grass that the pet stores sell here… she would lie down next to them (I’d put two in a big low soup bowl by her food and water) and just breathe in the “greenery”….

16. ms_xeno - 27 August 2008

Speaking of felines:

Our rescue cat is staying overnight at the vet after getting “the works.” We’ll be picking him up and returning him to our neighbors’ “halfway house” for strays tomorrow morning.

It’s a good thing the FIL loves cats and lent us the cash, because no way could we have shouldered the charges in this shithole of an economy.

17. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

15. and just breathe in the “greenery”….

That’s cute. :)

The Big Guy here just eats the greenery outside. Maybe he thinks he’s a cow. He really is big.

18. marisacat - 27 August 2008

some of the Republican jokes

The jokes are starting already. The O-cropolis. Toga instructions from the McCain campaign. My Big Fat Greek Acceptance Speech. Obama’s Oddessey. The Barackolis. Is it supposed to look like the Lincoln Memorial? The Brandenberg Gate? The Parthenon? The White House? The Isle of Lesbos? —- via Campaign Spot

The other thing I read is no ceiling so no confetti. Speculation on fireworks.

I feel winded by it all.

19. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

16. Sounds like an underground railroad for cats. :)

20. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

I spotted a DK diary earlier today asserting that the Greek temple is actually just a structural skeleton that (when finished) will sport the usual giant video screens, etc., between the columns. In other words, some of the columns will just serve as framework for the set. The diary included a couple of videos that supposedly gave a better glimpse of the thing in progress, but I didn’t have time to click ‘em.

Reckon we’ll see tomorrow. Anybody know why Springsteen fell out of the musical lineup?

21. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

I feel winded by it all.

I feel quite nauseated.

22. ms_xeno - 27 August 2008

#19: catnip, there’s a handful of suspect Euros in it for you if you’ll welcome our four-footed friend to your glorious country. Given your locale, you could always rechristen him “Black Gold” or something. I don’t think he’d mind.

I seriously do wish we could keep him, but no money/no space. The neighbors have temporary space, but they’re also already full up with cats.

23. wilfred - 27 August 2008

OMG, a real live out gay person on the stage! Go Etheridge.

The convention so far has been distressingly heterosexual.

24. marisacat - 27 August 2008

16

ms xeno

can I ask what Steve 2 needed done? Any pics? (so I can paw the screen)…

25. NYCO - 27 August 2008

Bruce isn’t playing?

26. marisacat - 27 August 2008

23

”Gay Rights” only mentioned twice from the stage… one was Hillary and the first mention was……………………..ugh I forget who now…

27. marisacat - 27 August 2008

BTW, Del Martin of Phyllis [Lyon] and Del, who got married first here in SF, together for 55 years, died this am…

28. NYCO - 27 August 2008

Oh I forgot Kerry was on tonight! Well, that should be inspiring.

I mean, WTF?!? Kerry should have been speaking at 5:30 on the first day, not in fucking prime time.

29. marisacat - 27 August 2008

25

apparently not. not too much info abou tit.. except “he is a great supporter of Ob” type stuff…

30. wilfred - 27 August 2008

#27 Oh no! Thanks for letting me know that Marisa, I hadn’t read that anywhere. What a loss, Del Martin was a pioneer.

31. marisacat - 27 August 2008

the line up tonight is really bad imo. gasbags and dullards. I mean, DASCHLE? REID? KERRY?

32. marisacat - 27 August 2008

30

If SF gate.com does a decent obit will post it…

33. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

25 – Apparently not.

But a source in Springsteen’s camp tells The Washington Post that The Boss won’t be anywhere near Invesco Field on Thursday.

“He’s definitely not performing nor attending and has never planned to do so,” says the source, who is privy to Springsteen’s schedule.

Just a big fat rumor all along, unless the source is spoofing.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

die-hard donk fans are such fucking crybabies: Right wing TV Pundits destroy every segment on Democratic Convention

If the so-called “left”/”liberal”/”pwogwessive” talking heads, party spokesfolks and others weren’t so worried about how they looked, how they sounded … if they fucking STOOD FOR SOMETHING, then the wingers wouldn’t beat them like redheaded stepchildren. I notice Rachel Maddow doesn’t have any trouble shouting down Scarborough or Buchanan.

Quit fucking whining and support people who fight, which of course means you have to quit supporting that pathetic excuse for a party.

Not gonna happen.

35. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

They’re only giving Bubba 10 minutes. Good luck with that.

36. NYCO - 27 August 2008

18. How about… O-Henge

37. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

Ugh, Harry Reid. Maybe I’ll flip the channel to Greatest American Dog, for a while. (Speaking of pawing at screens, it’s the latest offering in Reality Way Over the Top.)

38. marisacat - 27 August 2008

Krauthammer on Temple of Ob. he is deliciously vicious. And kind.

Cuz someone is going to be calling Ob “Cleopatra” soon. [let me be first]

Or maybe he’ll just do a Napoleon and coronate himself. By the time Napoleon made himself emperor, he had won the Battles of Lodi, of Arcole, of Rivoli, of the Pyramids and of Marengo. And had promugulated the Napoleonic Code. He had yet to write a single autobiography.

39. wilfred - 27 August 2008

#31 Tonight’s line-up may be gasbags and dullards but what they are is old white guys. Funny how that is the group when the theme is “National Security”. The subtext is only old white men can keep us safe, what an illusion when they are the ones who most put us at risk. Sadly the media and the public at large agree.

40. marisacat - 27 August 2008

well I caught Artur Davis at the pdium earlier. he might as well have been an old white guy. Talked about watching the Dem conventions from a tiny hotel room as a child with his mother and grandmother after their house was FORECLOSED (I am with you in Stockton! as they foreclose you!) and yada yada American exceptionalism, bootstrappism and whatever else.

A real strumpet for corporatism that one. And lifted out of Alabama early, he went ot the same prep school as Gore.

I am so tired of the bootstrap lecture. “Only in America” lecture.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

last thread (catching up):

50. lucid – 27 August 2008

At least the mob can make for entertaining stories.

Not to mention bankrolling much, MUCH better music than the effin’ multinationals produce.

42. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

If the so-called “left”/”liberal”/”pwogwessive” talking heads, party spokesfolks and others weren’t so worried about how they looked, how they sounded … if they fucking STOOD FOR SOMETHING, then the wingers wouldn’t beat them

Kinda hard to stand when your own carpet’s lumpy to the ankles with all the waste and warfare sweepings.

They’re using some sort of flying apparatus in a semi-final contest on the Great American Dog. Fortunately, some of the most psychotic owner-canine pairs have already been eliminated.

43. ms_xeno - 27 August 2008

Mcat, I’ll dig around webshots later and find you a pic. Poor little guy needed to be neutered, have an abcess tended to, shots, the whole deal. In another three weeks he’ll need worming and more shots. Just a sweet little shorthair with black fur, yellow eyes and a kinked tail. Probably hates us right now, but he had turned into a bone sack. Even as mild as Portland’s winters are, I don’t think he would have lasted another year outdoors.

Madman, you’ll be happy to know that we’ve chopped and channeled the convention theme and come up with an overdue replacement theme/sloganThem Hippies Was Right, which rings, sings and irritates the fuck out of P*ps*, so you know it’s good for you.

Enjoy. ;)

44. marisacat - 27 August 2008

ugh they are saying Gustav is still on track for NO – based on computer models, tho it can track W to Houston and E to FL… . Last I heard it was Cat 3, 120 mile/hour winds.

Heading out to the warm waters of the Carib and the Gulf…

NBC evening news.

45. wilfred - 27 August 2008

#44 They said this morning that the track that had it going to NO/Mobile was the one most likely to get to the dreaded Category 5.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

Anybody know why Springsteen fell out of the musical lineup?

I don’t know if it has anything to do with it, but Bruce is headlining a lakefront concert here in Milwaukee for the Harley Davidson 105th b-day celebration on Saturday night (and yes, I’m sick of overly-loud bikes roaring past my apt at 2 am, and the nightmare continues until Labor Day).

47. NYCO - 27 August 2008

We’re passing the 10th anniversary this year of a big derecho that cut a swath of destruction through upstate NY, on Labor Day ’98. They say the winds got up to Category 1 hurricane force, very briefly – or more likely, something just short of Category 1. All I can say is, anyone who tries to ride out a REAL hurricane needs their head examined. Our storm was nothing, and it was pretty terrifying.

48. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

Cuz someone is going to be calling Ob “Cleopatra” soon. [let me be first]

Not so fast there, catwoman. During one of the million or so debates, I said Obamalama had Cleopatra eyes here. ;)

49. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

Jindal is declaring an emergency and activating National Guard, according to AP. 3,000 to be deployed the day before landfall, with an additional 2K on standby if needed.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

43 – awesome!

now if only they’d bathe, shave and quit with the Dead …

51. NYCO - 27 August 2008

Daschle and Kerry. What is this, Loser Night?

52. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

My prediction for Bubba’s speech: “I feel your economic pain”. (bites lip)

53. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

No more felines for me, ms x. I have my 2 beasties and my roomie has 2 as well – one who’s decided he’s adopted me.

54. lucid - 27 August 2008

They said this morning that the track that had it going to NO/Mobile was the one most likely to get to the dreaded Category 5.

Even if it didn’t get that severe, I doubt the levies of NO could sustain another hit from a cat 2 or 3. I really hope this thing dissipates, or takes a different course.

55. wilfred - 27 August 2008

#52 My prediction for Bubba’s speech is “Obama can save you from the Bogeyman”.

56. Arcturus - 27 August 2008

Bill follows Hill & they play “Chain of Fools?”

we’re leaving the country -seroiusly

talk atcha later – sometime in Oct

(not that more than a handful of people give a fuck, but has anyone pulled out any of Biden’s quotes about finishing up that nuclear deal w/ India before the Democrats get in office?

57. marisacat - 27 August 2008

but has anyone pulled out any of Biden’s quotes about finishing up that nuclear deal w/ India before the Democrats get in office?

I’ve not seen it… anything posted at your blog?

I am sure in the long game, we will give India anything. And everythng.

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

Where are you headed, Arcturus?

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

I’d missed the Idnia thing too, but I’m having a harder and harder time paying attention.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

isn’t this the same Bubba that’s been hanging out w/ the Bushes and giving Bush 2 cover on Katrina and other things? Who the fuck is he to stand up there now and bitch about how bad things are.

Stick a cigar in it, you fucking hillbilly.

61. wilfred - 27 August 2008

Bill looks healthier than I’ve seen him look in ages, maybe he’s finally recovered fully from the surgery.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

via BAR, Cynthia McKinney: Power to the People! Stop the War!

Our country has been hijacked and the Democrats have proven themselves to have been in on the plan. When it came to the Constitution, the Democratic leadership showed us that aiding and abetting illegal spying on us was more important to them than protecting our civil liberties.

When it came to war and occupation, the Democratic leadership showed us that financing an illegal and immoral war, based on lies, was more important to them than the people’s desire for peace.

And when the people, hurting from the financial mismanagement of this country, called for accountability for the crimes that have been committed against the people here, against the global community, against nature, itself, the Democratic leadership took impeachment off the table!

Grassroots Democratic Party activists want a livable wage! A “Medicare-for-all” type of health care system, repeal of the Bush tax cuts that have ushered in the greatest income inequality in this country since the Great Depression. But the Democratic Party has shown itself to be incapable of providing even a semblance of the values even of its own activists.

The Democratic Party’s national leadership didn’t even mention Hurricanes Katrina and Rita survivors in their Congressional agenda for the first 100 days.

The Democratic Party’s national leadership gave us the Iran Naval Blockade bill, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and telecom immunity. They continue to fund war and occupation to the tune of $720 million a day while our children graduate from college tens – or even hundreds – of thousands of dollars in debt. Entire cities are going into receivership while the Democratic leadership in Congress gives the Pentagon one half trillion dollars annually with no accountability, no strings attached. That’s over and above spending for war.

Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are the hallmarks of the new U.S. gulag Democrats are helping to create.

They want us to believe that China and Russia are our enemies, in addition to the 60 countries on Dick Cheney’s list. They want us to believe that workers, who come to this country to support their families after Democratic leadership in the country saddled workers with NAFTA, are our enemies. But we are here today to declare that we know who the real enemies are: those false patriots that George Washington warned us of, who wrap themselves in the flag while betraying our values.

We are the true patriots!

We know that the strength of this country lies in the way it countenances dissent. And we are here to dissent. We are not deterred by reports of sleek, new detention facilities or recently-acquired taser guns that kill. For we come to dissent in peace. Indeed, we dissent for peace.

Today, we declare our independence from conformity and “go-along-to-get-along” politics. We declare our willingness to be radical in pursuit of peace and in our hunger for justice. We can see clearly now who the real stickup artists are and that’s why we’re in Denver!

Our actions here this week begin the disarming of the hijackers. We no longer are afraid. And we won’t be deceived. We know that a vote for the Democrats is a vote for more war in Afghanistan and other parts of the world.

But today, we are now free.

Free to stand on the four pillars guiding our political engagement: environmental wisdom, peace, grassroots democracy, and social justice. And finally, we know our power. We know the power of the people. We know that true power rests in the hands of the people. People who are willing to take a stand.

We need look no further than Haiti, Cote I’voire, Spain, and India to see the power of the people at the ballot box. No further than Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Paraguay to know that if they can do it, so can we.

Provided our elections are fair!

And if the Democrats cave in, in the face of fraud, disfranchisement, and theft, then we will be there to demand election integrity!

All over this country, the signs are there. People from New York to Florida, Washington State to California, Colorado to Texas are liberating themselves. We must not stop! Our country is worth it! Let’s take our country back! Power to the People!

63. marisacat - 27 August 2008

The Hill on the tight leash Obamamites kept on speakers.

Honestly, this convention feels like a baby, strangling for air, needing to be spanked alive.

[T]he Democratic source expressed dismay as to why nearly everyone delivering speeches on behalf of Obama has to have a rags-to-riches story, dredging him- or herself up out of poverty and into prosperity. The source conceded, though, that it is Obama’s convention and he has a right to do as he pleases.

Yet not every speech has been completely overhauled. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), who was asked by Obama to speak about the economy, was scheduled to deliver his speech Tuesday afternoon. The Obama campaign struck just one line from his speech, which slammed the Republicans and the Bush administration, according to a Democratic source.

That line, addressing Republicans, read: “They’re asking for another four years — in a just world, they’d get 10 to 20.”

Democratic strategist James Carville believes the Obama campaign is pulling its punches.

Speaking on CNN, Carville said his party was too soft on Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Monday night. “But I guarantee on the first night of the Republican convention, you’re going to hear talk about Barack Obama, commander in chief, tax cuts, et cetera, et cetera.” ::snip::

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

BAR’s Glen Ford: The Age of Katrina – Not Obama

Barack Obama supporters would have you believe that their candidate’s presidential nomination is the glorious, straight-line culmination of the Black Freedom Struggle whose previous high-water mark, they believe, was the 1963 March on Washington, the 45th anniversary of which coincides with this week’s Democratic National Convention. Obama’s public relations agents attempt to bracket the history of modern U.S. race relations within a marketable 45-year period that begins with a snippet from Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech and ends – for the time being – with the grand peroration of Obama’s acceptance speech before the cheering multitudes, in Denver. These dates are presented as the bookends of Black struggle – to be amended and extended when President Obama delivers his State of the Union Address, in January.

To the most hopelessly besotted Obamites, their candidate’s speech on Thursday will herald a crack in time, after which posterity will speak of Before-Obama (BO) and After-Obama (AO) eras, and the transcendental Age of Obama.

Having conjured up a nonexistent “mass movement” to describe what is actually a corporate financed and directed electoral campaign that has not championed a single issue worthy of historical note (don’t dare cite partial Iraq withdrawal and for-profit health care schemes), the Democrats now patch Dr. King’s speech into the prologue to the Book of Obama for the purpose of consigning real mass agitation strategies to the past, for all time.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008
66. NYCO - 27 August 2008

64. That pic of the woman wrapped in the flag (at BAR) is really something.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

66 – IIRC, that pic was taken at the stadium after the storm.

68. marisacat - 27 August 2008

…the Democrats now patch Dr. King’s speech into the prologue to the Book of Obama for the purpose of consigning real mass agitation strategies to the past, for all time.

This thing so begs for a big pin in the balloon

69. marisacat - 27 August 2008

66/7

yeah that is right, when they finally let them out and limited help showed up, I think someone was there with stacks of blankets from Target and Wallmart… etc.

70. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

An ABC News “investigative unit” producer got thrown in the clink for snapping photos of Dems convening for a private meeting at a hotel in Denver. Hat tip to Neo-con Crusher at pff.

Asa Eslocker was gathering fodder for a series on the role of corporate lobbyists and wealthy donors at the convention for a series of Money Trail reports.

71. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

Naomi Klein on Obama

She slams MoveOn and much of the rest of the supposed “progressive” movement.

72. NYCO - 27 August 2008

ugh just having bad Katrina flashbacks and I wasn’t even IN the damn thing. Having vivid memories of watching the unfolding horror every evening at my mom’s, and the both of us just literally screaming at the television in a way we’ve never done before or since. Just pure disgust, shame and rage. Not believing we were seeing this in our country. And the coverage of the “looting.” oh puke.

Will never forget that little boy: Shame, shame, pitiful and shame.

73. marisacat - 27 August 2008

Kerry is just a nut, “Barack will end swiftboating”.

74. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

Did Kerry realize the full favor he did for Obama by serving as Exhibit A to his (Kerry’s) own prediction that America would “reject” the “old and outworn”? WHy didn’t he just bust out and say, “Look at me!”

75. NYCO - 27 August 2008

Kerry is just a nut, “Barack will end swiftboating”.

Yeah, I know that’s MY personal Issue #1 that keeps me up nights.

76. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

Here comes Chet Edwards, the last-minute long-shot veepessa also-ran, on CSPAN.

77. Intermittent Bystander - 27 August 2008

It appears Mr. Edwards only aspires to Bidenesque levels of smarm.

78. marisacat - 27 August 2008

seems Richardson was cut for time, running a half hour behind (can’t blame BIll! Not this time!)…

79. marisacat - 27 August 2008

oh the Speilberg thing is just not working for me. All it tells me is years more fake mourning over the wars. That will go on. And now whatshisname. that actor… Bathos.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

speaking of NOLA, for those of you who have Sundance Channel, Architecture School (2nd ep tonight) offers interesting insights into building housing in NOLA and how architects are taught to think.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

hey Lucid (and other philosophy geeks): Neal Stephenson Does Some Hardcore Phenomenology Geeking

82. wilfred - 27 August 2008

#79 I agree about the Speilberg video, didn’t work for me, he can do much better.

Love Biden’s mom!

83. lucid - 27 August 2008

God this speech is almost as bad as Fred Thompson.

84. lucid - 27 August 2008

MitM – will check out… not a big fan of phenomenology though – most of the strains that came out of Husserl ended up in neo-platonism [particularly Heidegger, but I would include Derrida in that as well].

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

man, it’s hard to type when your stabbing yourself in the eye w/ a fork.

Jeebus, THIS is their “attack dog”, A dog that makes a point of talking about his “friend” before he repeats a bunch of bad, warmed over “Nation” headlines as a speech?

they really are fucking pathetic.

86. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

Barack Obama will make your lunch and eat it for you too! Yay!!

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

84 – I’m not either (you know me … full-gone Nietzchean and all), but it’s fun to see people TALKING about this stuff.

88. lucid - 27 August 2008

I guess Biden wants to resurrect the cold war…

89. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

More war! Yay!

90. NYCO - 27 August 2008

Biden’s ready for his closeup, Mr. DeMille!

91. cad - 27 August 2008

Whatever we think of these folk, this is going to go down as a very good night for Obama.

92. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

“Remember when the world used to trust us?”

Ummm…no.

93. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

Obamalama is going to make a surprise appearance w/ Joebama after his speech. About flipping time he showed up there, afaic.

94. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

Biden: Lets kill somebody, because we’ll be smarter about who to kill!

95. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

This whole spectacle is making me feel a sick, and very depressed.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008
97. marisacat - 27 August 2008

Ok think we peaked. Ob said the Bidens are leading us to take our nation back.

pretty damned far gone when the takers fake taking it back.

98. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

Okay. I’ve changed my mind again. I’m voting for Gumby.

99. wilfred - 27 August 2008

Really stupid of Obama to show up tonight, feels anti-climactic.

100. wilfred - 27 August 2008

When they said there was a surprise, I was hoping it was Gore.

101. marisacat - 27 August 2008

I am guessing Gore did not want to be bothered twice. Tonight and tomorrow night. LOL

102. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 August 2008

99 – who cares, fuck him. Corporate trojan horse to finish off the safety net and keep the wars and profits going. I can’t believe I stood in a field house in Chicago in late October 2004 and fell for this con. Shame on me.

I’m so damned sick of it all, beyond done with them. The donks disgust me. Obama disgusts me. The media disgusts me. Olbermann, who seemed so damned refreshing only a year ago … fuck his gushing.

More war, more corporate rapine and pillage (a whore for the CREDIT CARD COMPANIES as a working class hero?!?!), more spying and retroactive protection of monied fascists. More pandering to superstitious nutballs. More …

fuck, I’m repeating myself. I know that I write that we deserve what we have coming, that a collapse is what is needed, but it’s so depressing to see it HELPED ALONG …

103. liberalcatnip - 27 August 2008

I don’t think this was a winning nite for Obama. I think it showed that he needs to be propped up.

104. Arcturus - 27 August 2008

57. not much – w/ Biden’s mouth, there’s likely more – but here, from last Feb, quick! before a Democrat’s in the White House . . .

“If it is not ratified by Congress by July-end (when Senate goes into recess), there is no prospect” of it being ratified during the tenure of the Bush administration.

Biden was accompanied by John Kerry, Massachusetts senator and the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, and Chuck Hagel, a leading Republican, from Nebraska.

Biden also warned: “If we do not have the deal now, it is highly unlikely that the next president will present the same deal to India.’’

so far it’s not going over well w/ the supplier’s group, who also need to sign off on it – JB can play savior

as millions take to the street in Kashmir – Arundhati Roy: Azadi

58. MM: Andalusia

73. just remember, fantaisies are FREEEE! ;)

105. marisacat - 27 August 2008

nu thred……………

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