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They’re on! 9 PM ET – Ole Miss – Oxford MS 26 September 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, U.S. Senate, WAR!.
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People drink Raki, Turkish liqueur flavoured with aniseed, as they watch the camels from the hills surrounding the arena during the annual camel-wrestling tournament in the western Turkish town of Selcuk January 20, 2008. Camel wrestling is a popular and spectacular event in the Aegean region of Turkey, and this is one of the biggest annual camel wrestlings held with around hundred camels watched by thousands of enthusiasts. The bull camel are usually long-haired cross breed reared for their aggression. REUTERS/Fatih Saribas (TURKEY)

well… With Ob and McC it’s a cross between watching paint dry and wondering if a 2 ton truck will come thru the wall as the paint dries. Or, the tension of the past couple of days (to say nothing of the ads back and forth!) has exacerbated their dislike of one another.

LOL If you are not revved up (are you?) Michelle has a vid just for you. Warning, you may have the same reaction to her choice of clothing (not to criticise a woman’s wardrobe) that I did… I hid both my arms and tried, at the same time, somehow, to cover my large veins.. I feared she would jump out of the screen and prep me for a pic line, hook me up to a drip of sucrose and soma, so I’d fall back in line. LOL as if they care.

I think it is too easy to say Drink! for every “uh” or stammer on the Ob side, but far be it from me to stand between anyone and their libation or poison… For McC there is a certain look he gets when challenged, where I always think he might growl. Nothing too bestial, sort of a small growl. I might tip back a drink if I catch sight of some of those.

May no one win! My guess is that Ob has the advantage tonight, but it is just a guess.

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1. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

May no one win!

Well, we’ve already lost, that’s for sure.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

“Calming the Fearful Mind: A Zen Response to Terrorism.”

“I lived in Vietnam during the war there,” Hanh writes, “and I saw a lot of injustice. Many thousands of people were killed, including many of my friends and students. It made me very angry. One time I learned that the city of Ben Tre, a city of 30,000 people*, was bombarded by American aircraft because some guerrillas had come to the city and tried to shoot down American planes. The guerrillas did not succeed and afterward they left. In retaliation the U.S. bombed the entire city. The military officer responsible for this attack later declared that he had to destroy the city of Ben Tre in order to save it. I was very angry, but at the time I was already practicing Buddhism. I didn’t say or do anything, because I knew that saying or doing things while I was angry would create a lot of destruction. I paid attention to just breathing in and out. I sat down by myself, closed my eyes, and I recognized my anger, embraced it, and looked deeply into the nature of my suffering. Then compassion arose in me.

“Because I practiced looking deeply, I was able to understand the nature of the suffering in Vietnam. I saw that both Vietnamese and Americans suffered during the war. The young American men sent to Vietnam to kill and be killed suffered deeply, and their suffering continues today. Their families and both nations continue to suffer. I could see that the cause of our suffering in Vietnam was not the American soldiers. The cause was an unwise American policy based on misunderstanding and fear.

“Hatred and anger left my heart. I was able to see that our real enemy is not man, is not another human being. Our real enemy is our ignorance, discrimination, fear, craving, and violence.”

If a Vietnamese can see Americans that way, surely Americans can see the 9-11 attackers with equal calm and courage.

3. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Ha ha ha! I just posted YouTubes of humming alpacas at the end of the last thread, before seeing this! Camels in the zeitgeist! Call homeland security!

(I saw some last weekend, and their humming noises cracked me up.)

Alpacas!

Very goofy hairdos. Oh yeah!

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Robert Fisk: Six years in Guantanamo

Sami al-Haj, an Al Jazeera cameraman, was beaten, abused and humiliated in the name of the war on terror. He tells our correspondent about his struggle to rebuild a shattered life

In January of last year, Sami al-Haj started a hunger strike – and began the worst months of his imprisonment. “I wanted my rights in the civil courts. The US Supreme Court said I should have my rights. I wanted the right to worship properly. They let me go 30 days without food – then I was tied to a chair with metal shackles and they force-fed me. They would insert a tube through my nose into my stomach. They chose large tubes so that it hurt and sometimes it went into the lung. They used the same tube they had used on other prisoners with muck still on it and then they pumped more food into me than it was possible to absorb. They told us the people administering this were doctors – but they were torturers, not doctors. They forced 24 cans of food into us so we threw up and then gave us laxatives to defecate. My pancreas was affected and I had stomach problems. Then they would forbid us from drinking water.”

Al-Haj says he completed 480 days of hunger strike by which time his medical condition had deteriorated and he was bleeding from his anus. That was the moment his interrogators decided to release him.

“There were new interrogators now, but they tried once more with me. ‘Will you work with us?’ they asked me again. I said ‘no’ again – but I thanked them for their years of hospitality and for giving me the chance to live among them as a journalist. I said this way I could get the truth to the outside world, that I was not in a hurry to get out because there were a lot more reporters’ stories in there.” They said: ‘You think we did you a favour?’ I said: ‘You turned me from zero into a hero.’ They said: ‘We are 100 per cent sure that Bin Laden will be in touch with you…’ That night, I was taken to the plane. The interrogators were watching me, hiding behind a tennis net. I waved at them, those four pairs of eyes.”

The British authorities have never admitted talking to Sami al-Haj. Nor have the Canadians. Al Jazeera, whose headquarters George Bush wanted to bomb after the invasion of Iraq, kept a job open for Sami al-Haj. But Prisoner No 345 never received an official apology from the Americans. He says he does not expect one.

5. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Earlier today I was imagining Iraqis, Pakistanis, and Afghanis watching the debate tonight. Whatever happens, it’ll be interesting to see global press reaction tomorrow.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

I agree with John Cole

ATTN: Democrats
By: Comrade John Cole September 26, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Walk away.

Just let the whole shitpile collapse. It is not your fault. And honestly, I doubt doing anything will matter, anyway.

The House Republicans came out, and their play is clear:

“We will not use taxpayer money to bail out Wall Street. We want to protect the taxpayers.”

In other words, they do not give a shit. Walk away.

Just walk away.

They won’t, of course, and if Obama does win after the donks enable Wall Street he’s going to be confronted with the Republican Revolution 2.0 in 2010. And this one will be worse, further to the right and full of even more fundie xtians.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

oh, thank goodness there won’t be any noise!

I wouldn’t want anything to wake us up.

8. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

He’s already out of the hospital according to the NYT.

9. marisacat - 26 September 2008

IB out of Moderation… sorry for the delay!

great links…

….

10. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

People are going to lose “their credits”? All your school courses are belong to us.

11. marisacat - 26 September 2008

6

Cole is wrong. I heard Nancy say flatly the Democrats bear NO RESPONSIBILITY, at all, for anything.

12. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Whatever, Obamalama. Get on with it. Are you in favour of it or not?

13. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

McCain says he hasn’t been feeling too great for awhile . . .

Not the winningest opener, under the circumstances!

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

11 – Oh yea, I forgot. After all, isn’t Paulson Catholic, so all sins MUST be forgiven.

Or something …

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

McCain says he hasn’t been feeling too great for awhile . . .

The best part of that is when the tumor growing out of his neck raised it self up and declared, “I personally feel great!”.

16. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Excesses and greed in Wall Street and Washington, DC

That could be a drink line, tonight.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

14 minutes in, and I’m already feeling the effects of Acute Platitude Poisoning.

18. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

15 – Snort!

Evils of earmarking, now!

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

That nutball eugenicist Coburn being one of his “good friends” is reason alone for McCain to not be elected, on top of being the real-world version of Captain Queeg.

20. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

A computer in every pot.

21. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Excesses and greed in Wall Street

I think McC said teh Wall Street.

22. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

15. The best part of that is when the tumor growing out of his neck raised it self up and declared, “I personally feel great!”.

rofl…you’re bad. :)

23. raincat100 - 26 September 2008

22. I second that. :)

24. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Ha! McCain says he didn’t win Miss Congeniality in Washington??!!

Somebody’s unconscious is a little loosely tethered tonight.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

you’re bad.

That’s why the ladies love me!

26. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Headline tomorrow: Major US Businesses Flee for Ireland

“my friends” Drink!!

27. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Careful! Obama claims Coburn himself. Several times. Likes to point him out by name, along with Lugar as “my friend”.

ew.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

24 – Maybe he’s thinking about how much he likes his “good friend Rudy.

29. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

mccain’s temperature is going up just a bit. temper temper.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

27 – good reason for HIM to not be elected as well.

So many reasons.

Is Obama wearing eyeliner? I really shouldn’t be watching this on high def … I can see every cancerous growth that Rudy is sprouting, and Obama’s makeup is already running. Lehrer looks like one of those dolls you make out of an old apple.

31. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

McSmiley McC has Obamalama rattled and defensive.

32. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

30. Lehrer looks like one of those dolls you make out of an old apple.

Stop that! lol

I don’t know how long I have to go before a pee break.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

I can’t wait until McCain starts rotating the marbles in his hand.

34. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

:: faces Milwaukee, blows kisses ::

I suppose I ought to go into the other room for the visual component. But there’s something to be said for enduring these things via audio only.

35. marisacat - 26 September 2008

whoever said Ob was heading for defensive… I think so too.

Edge back from the Ledge!!

36. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

“We fixed it and we killed it and Sarah Palin field-dressed it.”

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

OMG …. Lehrer asked a real question!

38. marisacat - 26 September 2008

hmm

and Obama’s makeup is already running.

thanks for that tidbit. I should check the newer TV in the kitchen.. (tho not hidef)

39. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

It’s the rotating walnuts in his cheeks and jaw that typically alarm me.

Did Obama just throw green energy under the Wall Street Bailout Bus?

40. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

“Tom”? Whoops. And there’s Coburn.

41. marisacat - 26 September 2008

See? he luvs Coburn!

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

36 – LOL

35 – but wait, haven’t they been telling us all week all calm and pretzledental he is?!?!

LOL … a spending freeze on everything but defense, veterans affairs and entitlements?!?!?

That’s the whole fucking budget!

We’re not gonna get anywhere without cutting defense.

How, way to go Obama, blame the Iraqis for our problems! Fucker.

43. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Rule the country?

44. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

mccain just stated government funds go to terrorists. isnt that a indictable offense?

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

38 – blinking and sweating up a storm.

Lucky for him, he’s standing next to a cadaver, so at least he looks like he’s still living.

46. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

families make decisions with their doctors not the federal government.

just not the wimmins.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Miss Congeniality again!

The GOP would CRUCIFY any Democrat for breathing those words!

Shameless!

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Fight, fight!

Lets just have them fight it out in the Octagon to the death. At least then it would be entertaining.

49. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

mccain is repeating miss congeniality. obama doesnt know mccains first name.

tch tch tch

50. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

46 – AIN’T it.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

46 – families mean Father and his chattel? Don’t you read the bible, you harlot?!?!

52. marisacat - 26 September 2008

McC says the Miss Congeniality line a lot. Not just here…

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

oooops, that should have been a

!!!

after “chattel”.

54. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

mission almost accomplished!

55. marisacat - 26 September 2008

45

then the tic in the right cheek should hit soon, if not already… I am not noticing it on the big but old TV…

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Obama – “I gave a speech against the war at some rally in Chicago when nobody had ever heard of me!”

Well, I’m convinced.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Obama – “Now lets go bomb some Pakis!”

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Surges work really good after months of ethnic cleansing, but why pick nits?

59. marisacat - 26 September 2008

getting testy.

I say go testicular! All the way! hang a No Miss Congeniality crown off the appendage!

60. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Snap to the Stegasaurus! Never had a hearing on Afghanistan!

61. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Half way thru!

62. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Th-th-th-th-this is…Jim! Tell Tom to stfu!

63. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Dear god, McCain is fucking delusional.

64. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

59 – LOL.

Johnny’s using his SCARY, BARELY CONTROLLED WHISPER voice now.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Obama – “my war is better than YOUR war!”

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

see, I told you he would get to killing Pakistanis.

67. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

alexander the great? WTF?

68. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

uh oh. dear prudent

69. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

“take ‘em out”…how presidential.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

68 – as long as he leaves rocky the racoon out of it.

71. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

52 – Didn’t know that McC has been playing with beauty queen metaphors regularly. Smells like Rove spirit, pee-yew! So taunting, like that “disrespectful” ad.

72. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Daddy’s telling bedtime war stories now. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

73. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

i bet johnny can walk just like john wayne too. cue taps on the trumpet. get out the gold stars.

74. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Obamalama: I’ve got a bracelet too.

McC: Oh yeah? Well I have a nose ring.

Obamalama: Have you seen my Prince Albert?

75. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Comparing veterans’ jewelry now . . .

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

69 – well, duh … what do you think they are, CANADIANS?

77. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

no soldier dies in vain? what horseshit. its the black john wayne! i’m seeing double.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

72, 74 – Snicker snicker!

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

McCain – “You’d have thought that Obama would have gone to Afghanistan, so my campaign could attack him for politicizing the war!”

Lehrer wakes up really quick when they run out of wind.

80. raincat100 - 26 September 2008

Does it bother anyone else that McCain blinks so much?

81. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

uh oh. scary iran. existential threat to israel!

oh noessss!!!!

82. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

77 – Human sacrifice is groovy, once those boys are grown.

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

82 – well, it’s not like they can handle any jobs or anything, considering the way that public education and college funding have been gutted.

Besides, where else would candidates get those nifty bracelets from patriotic breed mares …. ummmmm , Gold Star Mothers?!?!

84. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

This segment brought to you by AIPAC.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

M: Iran is scary.

O: No, they’re REALLY scary! Arms race! Oh, and ISRAEL etc!

86. marisacat - 26 September 2008

he should call him mahmoud like i do………………

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

woo hoo, ugly American mispronunciation moment!

88. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

ooops. cant say the name.

89. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

john mccain – mispronouncing historian dude.

90. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

87 – I call him “Mac”, myself. Because everybody should have Americanized names.

It’s in the Bible and the Constitution, dammit.

91. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

No precondition! Hawkmedinarrgh . . . Arhkemedinehjadf!

:: keels over in effort to pronounce with credibility ::

I’ll sit down with ANYBODY! But I NEED some preconditions!

Rubber doughnut pillows! Scented candles! Soothing music! Bugles and flags!

92. marisacat - 26 September 2008

good one on the seal!

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

“I don’t even have a seal yet”.

oooooo, SNAP!

94. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

spain. ouch. touché

95. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

three inches smaller. physical proof of ferocity.

96. marisacat - 26 September 2008

we can expect to hear from Dr Kissinger soon.

ugh. yuck.

97. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

I played spin-the-bottle with Kissinger before you were born, boy!

98. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

I don’t understand why Obama is criticizing him on the Spain thing. Meeting with South American commies is suddenly okay?

Spain is part of the Bolivarian revolution, right? Next door to Venezuela, isn’t it?

I’m so confused.

Oh, and can we stop this “wipe off the map” thing. The actual translation was something like “removed from the pages of history” or something like that.

99. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

96. He did say that he would talk to Iran without preconditions during that CNN forum last week. My head damn near exploded at the time.

100. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Do we have to affirm them ALL? Too much work. Too much foreign aid.

101. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

99 – I think Henry was the first one to call him Miss Congeniality.

102. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

well the good news is kissinger won’t be going to spain to talk to mahmoud.

he’s liable to get arrested.

103. marisacat - 26 September 2008

Putin likes Chavez… there’s gonna be trouble! I’m a Jet all the way!

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

“he’s naive!”

“he’s old and crazy!”

105. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

“tastes great”

“less filling”

106. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

98. Shimon Peres said Iran could be wiped off the map. Nobody talks about that though.

107. marisacat - 26 September 2008

102

No chocolat complet at the Ritz in Paris for Henry!

108. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

15 yards! illegal recycling on K G B

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

KAY GEE BEE!

boogity boogity!

110. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

101. Kissinger wears a tiara in private. I have pics.

111. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

McCain’s tie is strobing like an old-fashioned barber pole on my TV.

112. marisacat - 26 September 2008

I think the old guy just took us back to the Crimean War. And looked forward to a new one.

They have given me a headache, they really have.

113. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

I’m waiting for McCain to say that he visited the Duchy of Grand Fenwick.

114. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

The BBC has live commentary.

115. marisacat - 26 September 2008

110

Actually I think he does. Really.

116. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

How’d we get from Crimea to solar energy?

117. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

110 – I bet Henry would throw John to the side if only he could get a good look at that Prince Albert.

118. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Drill baby drill!

What did McC say? He likes loogies?

119. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

113

and he’ll have an anecdote. hes one of those travel anecdote guys.

120. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

“Back in my day, Senators walked uphill backwards in snowstorms, with only kindly negros servants to make sure we didn’t trip.”

121. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

O: I heart nuclear waste.

122. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

We can build a bridge! To exploit reserves!

Dude’s got a wicked self-sabotage gene.

123. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

911

DRINK TO BLACKOUT!

124. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

McC has a Duchy of Fenwick toe ring.

125. marisacat - 26 September 2008

god is it over?

126. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

McC: No torture! (except for the CIA)

127. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

Everything is great, but there is a long way to go!

128. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

god is it over?

I had to dig out the chocolate-covered cookies to sustain me.

129. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

Sure you support missile defence. You don’t live in Canada where your missiles will drop on my head if you don’t get it right.

130. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

well, you finally got to see that Dole/Mondale debate you’ve always dreamed of.

131. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

wow, THIS is the best we can do?

132. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

mccain is now hallucinating.

133. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Saint Petraeus has spoken! All rightreous faithful must follow!

134. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

132. mccain is now hallucinating.

So am I. Or did time just slip back an hour? How’d we get to Iraq again?

135. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

129 – don’t worry, most of the missiles won’t make it out of the lift stage.

136. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

That look on Lehrer’s face was priceless. I’m pretty sure he stuck some toothpicks in his eyes.

137. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

135. don’t worry, most of the missiles won’t make it out of the lift stage.

Maybe they could use some toothpicks too.

138. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

While these two assholes sabre rattle, lets take a moment to thank this man: 25 years ago today, this man saved my life. And yours.

139. liberalcatnip - 26 September 2008

It’s over. Thanks the flying spaghetti monster. Ramen.

140. Intermittent Bystander - 26 September 2008

Down to a smarmy, pitiful beg, there Johnny.

More alpacas humming.

141. marisacat - 26 September 2008

post debate thread……………………..

LINK

…………………….. 8) ………………

142. bayprairie - 26 September 2008

actually i believe mccain stonewalled against PMIA legislatively.

but -15 yards for bringing up the goddamned prison again.

143. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 September 2008

David Brooks on PBS – “these men can’t make values connections, like the sainted Ronald Reagan could”.

Madman changes channel, breaks beer bottle over his head.


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