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Plenty 28 November 2008

Posted by marisacat in AFRICOM, Congo, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.
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A girl displaced by fighting tries to sell potatoes in the rain at a market in a refugee camp at Kibati in eastern Congo. Congolese rebel chief Laurent Nkunda said on Monday he would fight African peacekeeping troops if they attacked him, as concerns grew that east Congo’s conflict could suck in neighbouring armies. [Reuters via The Independent]

If I land on interesting reports on Mumbai or Thailand… or other near flung points, will pop them up over night.

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UPDATE, 3:25 AM PT

This’ll flip some people out…it’s not confirmed, but give it time..

A German MEP caught up in the attacks said she had heard that British nationals were among the terrorists involved in the killings, as reports of the death toll hit 143.

Erika Mann was part of a trade delegation of MEPs from Brussels staying at the Taj Hotel.

Before leaving the city on a flight to London, she said she had escaped through an underground passage in the hotel.

She added: “The attacks appear to have a European dimension. We have heard from journalists and other people we were with that English citizens took part in the attacks and were killed in the hotel.

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She said a new approach was now needed to tackle global terrorism: “These attacks have taught us all a difficult lesson,” she said.

“We cannot continue just with local and regional structures to fight terrorism when we face an enemy that is organised on a global scale. Global terrorism of the sort we experienced in Mumbai involves a wide range of people, from young people influenced by fundamentalism to business people.

“This cannot be left as a problem for India alone. The ordinary people are as fed up as anyone else.”

Ramp up, even more, the Global War on Terror…

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1. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Amir Taheri in the UK Telegraph has an interesting report up… a little melodramatic, but then the past three days have been…

[A]lthough new to India, the tactic of “symphonic” attacks has been tried in a number of other countries in the past decade, notably Algeria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia, at times with devastating effects.

Most recently, it was tried, on a smaller scale, by the Taliban in the Afghan city of Qala-Mussa. Theoretically, the tactic could be used in any city, from Bombay to New York, passing through London and Paris.

On Wednesday, it was obvious that India’s various anti-terror units were surprised, unable to cope with methods of operations not mentioned in their manuals. ::snip::

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2. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Why can’t we hold torturers accountable and still find out the truth?

It’s sweet and fanciful to think that with a grant of immunity and a hot cup of chai, Bush-administration officials who have scoffed at congressional subpoenas and court dates will sit down and unburden themselves to a truth commission about their role in the U.S. attorney firings. I agree completely with Charles Homans, who, in this must-read piece for the Washington Monthly, argues for the release of classified information at all costs. But I just cannot bring myself to believe that the full story will ever be told to our collective satisfaction. Even if every living American were someday to purchase and read the truth commission’s collectively agreed-on bipartisan narrative, weaving together John Yoo’s best intentions and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s torment on the water board, sweeping national reconciliation will elude us.

As my friend Jack Goldsmith points out in an op-ed today, we already know the truth of what happened. Not all of it, to be sure, but we know a good deal about who made which critical decisions and when. Just read Michael Ratner’s devastating new book, The Trial of Donald Rumsfeld. Read Philippe Sands’ Torture Team. Read Jane Mayer’s The Dark Side. Read this painfully detailed new report from U.C.-Berkeley, in partnership with the Center for Constitutional Rights, chronicling the experiences of former detainees held in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. These writers are not crackpots. We may not have every memo, and we may not be able to name every name. But do truth commissions alone ever reveal the full story? If we decline to hold lawbreakers to account, we may find out a whole lot of facts and arrive at no truth at all. Is the truth that if the president orders it, it isn’t illegal? Or is the truth that good people do bad things in wartime, but that’s OK? Is the truth that if we torture strange men with strange names, it’s not lawbreaking? What legal precedent will this big bipartisan narrative set for the next president with a hankering for dunking prisoners?

In any event, we already know what the other side of the story is. Michael Mukasey holds that those who authorized lawbreaking did so out of “a good-faith desire to protect the citizens of our Nation from a future terrorist attack.” Witness after witness will tell the truth commission that they were scared; they were making quick decisions in the heat of battle, and that their hearts were pure. The real problem, they will go on to say, was that there was too much law—a crippling maze of domestic and international laws that paralyzed government lawyers and the intelligence community. Goldsmith makes that same point in his op-ed today, in arguing against criminal investigations or even a bipartisan commission: Under the threat of criminal sanctions or even noncriminal commissions, “lawyers will become excessively cautious in giving advice and will substitute predictions of political palatability for careful legal judgment.” It seems that after 9/11, the solution to the problem of too much law was to simply do away with the stuff. And the solution to the lawlessness that followed 9/11? Do away with any legal consequences for the perpetrators. If there exists a more perverse method of restoring the rule of law in America than announcing that legal instruments are inadequate to address them, I can’t imagine it.

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3. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

MSNBC is reporting that a worker at the doors of a Walmart was trampled to death by the crowd, I think they said on Long Island.

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4. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

“Harvey Would Have Opened It in October”
Could Milk have changed the Prop 8 vote?

Because Milk was a pragmatist, Milk has practical lessons to impart. He realized that his public example could mean a great deal to the private experiences of countless individuals, and as such coveted attention and visibility. He insisted that the fight against homophobia begins with the act of coming out (“If they know us, they don’t vote against us”), and he believed that instead of relying on pacts with straight allies in high places, gays and lesbians should serve as their own advocates. The recent anti-Prop 8 movement seemed to embrace the opposite tactic. It was a closeted campaign, devoid of a public face, largely dependent on straight spokespeople, and run with a wary defensiveness that would have driven Milk mad.

Few reviewers will miss the opportunity to point out—the parallels are hard to ignore—that Harvey Milk was the Barack Obama of his day, a minority candidate who represented change, opposed the party machine, and preached a gospel of hope. Milk’s stump speech was dubbed the Hope Speech, and the last line of his recorded will, which also closes the film, was: “You gotta give them hope.” Milk was also, in essence, a community organizer, a grassroots populist with a gift for reaching out across San Francisco’s patchwork of minorities. After Prop 8 passed, some gay activists were all too eager to blame blacks and Latinos (two groups in which majorities voted “yes”) and to define the problem along racial lines. Milk’s impassioned rhetoric of inclusivity—he called his hodgepodge coalition, which ran from Asians to seniors to blacks to labor unions, “the us-es”—is helpful to keep in mind in light of the recent finger-pointing.

Viewed in a post-Prop 8 environment, Milk might well suggest strategies for the culture wars to come. But had it appeared earlier, could this particular battle have been won? While it’s naive to presume that movies can swing electorates—just ask Michael Moore—those what-if questions are hard to dismiss, not least for the filmmakers. Interviewed by the San Francisco Bay Guardian recently, Van Sant conceded, “Harvey would have opened it in October.”

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5. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008
6. marisacat - 28 November 2008

MSNBC is reporting that a worker at the doors of a Walmart was trampled to death by the crowd, I think they said on Long Island.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!!

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7. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

I have a new piece up: Fictions.

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8. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Link for the Walmart story.

A Wal-Mart worker died after being trampled when hundreds of shoppers smashed through the doors of a Long Island store Friday morning, police and witnesses said.

The 34-year-old worker, employed as an overnight stock clerk, tried to hold back the unruly crowds just after the Valley Stream store opened at 5 a.m.

Witnesses said the surging throngs of shoppers knocked the man down. He fell and was stepped on. As he gasped for air, shoppers ran over and around him.
CAUGHT ON CAMERA: WAL-MART CROWD MOMENTS BEFORE DEADLY STAMPEDE

“He was bum-rushed by 200 people,” said Jimmy Overby, 43, a co-worker. “They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too…I literally had to fight people off my back.”

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9. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede.

Prepare for a second stampede, as chestnut-roasters and others rush to claim the martyr first.

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10. NYCO - 28 November 2008

“Chestnut roasters”? do you mean, people who stay home on Black Friday?

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11. NYCO - 28 November 2008

7. Madman, you may be interested in a scholarly book recently published entitled Agnotology — the study of ignorance. (It’s the academic opposite of epistemology, the study of knowing.) Sort of dry reading, but contains chapters on how ignorance developed/was cultivated around the cigarette industry, female sexuality, abortion methods long known in the New World but never brought to the Old, and other topics.

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12. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

11 – Thanks! Will look for it.

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13. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

10 – No, I mean the anti-secularist, “Stop the War on Christmas” punditry.

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14. marisacat - 28 November 2008

fwiw (possibly not much, LOL) TNR has a post on who has Ob’s ear on India…

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15. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008
16. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Podesta

Podesta, a former chief of staff in the Clinton White House, also said Obama would complete “virtually the whole Cabinet” by Christmas, and the new president’s team will reach beyond the Democratic Party.

There will be “multiple Republicans” in the administration,” Podesta said. “You’ll see them spread throughout the administration.”

Obama, who is further along in making key appointments than any of his recent predecessors were at this point in the transition period, is expected to announce his national security team next week. It will be led by Senator Hillary Clinton, his erstwhile rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, as secretary of state and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

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17. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Telegraph

Key figures in the terrorist gang were equipped with the devices that meant they were able to monitor British news, even when the authorities turned off power.

A senior officer in the country’s elite Black Cat commando unit told the Telegraph, the gunmen were able to trawl the internet for information once they lost cable television feeds to the two luxury hotels and office block.

The men looked beyond the instant updates of the Indian media to find worldwide reaction to the events in Mumbai.

Their analysis of at least five BlackBerry mobile phones recovered suggested the terrorists had links to England.

“There was a lot of content from the English media, not just in London but the Urdu and Arabic sites that are very strong in the north of England,” the Commando leader said near the site of the city’s third siege at Nariman House. “We have some analysis started on this and we will pass it on to Scotland Yard, no doubt.”

The availability of news updates and live TV streams from Indian and foreign media is though to have given the hostage takers an advantage in the two day siege. By early yesterday army commanders had realised the extent of the problem. ::snip::

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18. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

FBI Stoking Fear

Got that: “plausible but unsubstantiated,” “may have discussed attacking the subway system,” “specific details to confirm that this plot has developed beyond aspirational planning,” “attack could possibly be conducted,” “it’s plausible, but there’s no evidence yet that it’s in the process of being carried out.”

I have no specific details, but I want to warn everybody today that fiery rain might fall from the sky. Terrorists may have discussed this sort of tactic, possibly at one of their tequila-fueled aspirational planning sessions. While there is no evidence yet that the plan in the process of being carried out, I want to be extra-cautious this holiday season. Ho ho ho.

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19. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

17 – that sounds more and more like a well-coordinated military operation.

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20. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Fresh firing at the Taj Hotel… and the Jewish Center is declared NOT CLEARED, after they said it was.

Oh yeah… they have a template now.

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21. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Shock and Awe

This goes beyond mere tit-for-tat, beyond that old admonition we used to hear from our parents, “well, how do you like it?” It’s about the widespread, all too human tendency to see other people as faceless blocs, to treat those who are different not as human beings but as abstracts, as pieces to be moved about – or “sacrificed” with a slight moue of regret — in a game. It’s about the perils of using terms like “Shock and Awe” to describe carnage, of treating human consequences as though they were beside the point.

We no more “awed” potential terrorists with our attack on Iraq than the attacks on 9/11 “awed” us. The response to the murder of unarmed civilians is not typically the reverential fear described by “awe,” but rage, contempt, and a desire for vengeance. Combine the casual killing of large numbers of people with the arrogance of a wealthy and powerful nation that considers itself above international law, and you have cases where bloodthirsty thugs make a point, as they apparently have in Mumbai, of targeting citizens of that nation.

I hope the people responsible for the mass murders in Mumbai are caught and punished. I hope there is a reckoning. But if that reckoning does not take place with at least an effort of a reckoning here for the affronts to humanity and decency conducted in the name of the “War on Terror,” it will have little meaning. The pool of potential terrorists in the Middle East and elsewhere will simply continue to grow, and the people punished for Mumbai will be seen, not as the killers they are, but as martyrs to the west’s profoundly lopsided and self-serving notion of “justice.”

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22. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Times of India:
Terrorists may have hijacked Porbander fishing boat

This boat – Kuber – belongs to a fisherman from Porbander, Vinod Masani, who has been detained by Porbander police for interrogation. Indian Coast Guard spotted the boat with the body of captain Amarsing Naran, 30, in it. Four crew from Navsari and Junagadh districts are still missing. The Coast Guard is also looking for another missing boat which could have been used by terrorists.

It is suspected that this trawler was captured by the terrorists on high seas to be used as their transport vehicle to reach Gateway of India from Karachi port.

Sources in Porbander confirmed that the boat was traced by a Chetak helicopter of Mumbai Coast Guard some 20 nautical miles off Porbander.

Tof I also reporting that Indo-Bangla border is being sealed. One of the TV networks recently indicated some Bangladeshis were among the attackers.

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23. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Spiegel says a speed boat was used as well. Found with a not yet identified body, too… The boats unloaded AS the hit on Cafe Leopold came down. Which, according to Spiegel, was initially thought to be a gangland hit, similar to recetn incidents.

LINK

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24. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

What’s the Value of a Big Bonus?

We did this study in India, where the cost of living is relatively low so that we could pay people amounts that were substantial to them but still within our research budget. The lowest bonus was 50 cents — equivalent to what participants could receive for a day’s work in rural India. The middle-level bonus was $5, or about two weeks’ pay, and the highest bonus was $50, five months’ pay.

What would you expect the results to be? When we posed this question to a group of business students, they said they expected performance to improve with the amount of the reward. But this was not what we found. The people offered medium bonuses performed no better, or worse, than those offered low bonuses. But what was most interesting was that the group offered the biggest bonus did worse than the other two groups across all the tasks.

We replicated these results in a study at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where undergraduate students were offered the chance to earn a high bonus ($600) or a lower one ($60) by performing one task that called for some cognitive skill (adding numbers) and another one that required only a mechanical skill (tapping a key as fast as possible). We found that as long as the task involved only mechanical skill, bonuses worked as would be expected: the higher the pay, the better the performance. But when we included a task that required even rudimentary cognitive skill, the outcome was the same as in the India study: the offer of a higher bonus led to poorer performance.

If our tests mimic the real world, then higher bonuses may not only cost employers more but also discourage executives from working to the best of their ability.

When I recently presented these results to a group of banking executives, they assured me that their own work and that of their employees would not follow this pattern. (I pointed out that with the right research budget, and their participation, we could examine this assertion. They weren’t that interested.) But I suspect that they were too quick to discount our results. For most bankers, a multimillion-dollar compensation package could easily be counterproductive. Maybe that will be some comfort to the boards at UBS and Goldman Sachs.

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25. marisacat - 28 November 2008

hmm someone dropped me an email that lots has been coming down over at Free Sp Zone. It seems Dtale has morphed to some “Cocksucker…” entity… but what is really interesting is that FSZ’s “Jack” seems to indicate Dtale, noom and Shadowthief are all the same poster.

Off to take a look.

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26. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

25 – Yeah, saw that erupting late last night. JSR made front-page claim that all 3 (plus the spoofer “Jack’s Smurfing Revenge”) were one, and JSR unilaterally changed all their nicks to variations of Shadowthief/noom/donkkkeyturd, etc. DTale threatened to sue and now JSR has changed DT’s nick again, and promises to give him a new moniker every day.

Quite the Wild West melee.

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27. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Moniker melee in the mod pod, I think.

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28. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

The Status of George Bush’s War on Terrorism

Incidents, injuries, and deaths from terrorism have increased during the new millenium. This may be because of the broader definition of what characterizes a terrorist act, or it may actually be a constant increase in such acts. —seema

blaming this on Bush is silly … it’s the entire US political establishment going back years.

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29. marisacat - 28 November 2008

DTale threatened to sue

LOL Don’t make me laugh TOO hard. As I told a stand in for GregNYC who threatened to sue me at LSF and The Word for posting G-NYC’s email (tho he published it at several sites)…

I said

Puleeeze, a moniker stand-in for a moniker is threatening to SUE?

Gales of laughter off stage.. Exit Left (that would be me)

How did so many small shits work themselves up to be Masters of the ThumbNail Universe.

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30. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

btw, has anybody noticed that whenever the Indian media announces that the incidents have been wrapped up, a new group of gunmen pops up in another location? MSNBC is reporting that there is a new “final” battle at the Taj.

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31. marisacat - 28 November 2008

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The clock is ticking on that Dem blame game. My take, if you want to blame then YOU FUCKING PROSECUTE.

I so want to see ObRama run in 2012 – still against Bush. And if he (or that trash act party) does it will be LAME. And COMPLICIT.

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32. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

MSNBC now reporting some kind of shootout at a ToysRUs in California?

How did so many small shits work themselves up to be Masters of the ThumbNail Universe.

Dedication, determination, and practice practice practice?

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33. marisacat - 28 November 2008

This is the third, at least, final battle for the Taj.

Jewish Center is on its second at least. AND I see reports (as chatter) that Israeli commandos were present for the siege at the Lubavitchers’ joint (the Jewish Center)… which would be one explanation (if at all true) for how long it took. I see complaints in reports about how long it took for specially trained units to be on scene.

Who knows, it must still be a mad house.

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34. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Dedication, determination, and practice practice practice?

Plus it is a weak system… from Kos onward (don’ think Josh nor Atrios were quite so “friendly”, LOL) the barely masked hierarchy sold themselves to the thread commenters as “friends”.

Made the whole thing fragile.

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35. marisacat - 28 November 2008

ToysRUs in California?

haven’t heard it… but i missed the top of the hour local updates on CBS radio and KGO radio… LOL I was munching left overs in the kitchen….

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36. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Neil Gaiman On The ‘Obscenity’ Of Manga Collector Christopher Handley’s Trial

Look through your comic book collection. Do you have Alan Moore’s “Lost Girls”? Any of S. Clay Wilson’s Underground Comix? Even Neil Gaiman’s “Sandman” series? If the prosecution of manga collector Christopher Handley sticks, all of that and more could be considered obscene, Gaiman told MTV.

“I wrote a story about a serial killer who kidnaps and rapes children, and then murders them,” Gaiman said, referring to a storyline in “The Doll’s House.” “We did that as a comic, not for the purposes of titillation or anything like that, but if you bought that comic, you could be arrested for it? That’s just deeply wrong. Nobody was hurt. The only thing that was hurt were ideas.”

Gaiman’s currently supporting the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund’s fight to defend Handley, who was arrested in Iowa for possession of obscene material based on his private collection, which included lolicon and yaoi manga. Lolicon focuses on the Lolita complex, where yaoi features male homosexual romance for a primarily female audience.

“They found his manga, and found some objectionable panels,” Gaiman said. “He’s been arrested for having some drawings of rude things in manga. I’m sorry, but if you went through my comic collection, you could arrest me if you’re going to start doing that. It’s just wrong.”

“There is explicit sex in yaoi comics,” Handley’s lawyer Eric Chase told MTV. “And the men are drawn in a very androgynous style, which has the effect of making them look really young. There’s a real taboo in Japan about showing pubic hair, so they’re all drawn without it, which also makes them look young. So what concerned the authorities were the depictions of children in explicit sexual situations that they believed to be obscene. But there are no actual children. It was all very crude images from a comic book.”

“Do you remember there was a law passed prohibiting making things that simulated child pornography, even if the things actually weren’t?” Gaiman asked, referring to part of the PROTECT Act (18 U.S.C. Section 1466A). (As in situations where an of-age female is in a pornographic situation, but “where she’s being presented as if she were 13.”) “They said, ‘For heaven’s sake, we’re not talking about art. We’re only talking about stuff where you’re leading people to believe they’re looking at real child porn,’” said Gaiman.

Still, despite the argument that there was no actual children portrayed in the manga, Handley faces felony obsenity charges, including the receipt and possession of obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children. The case is going to trial on December 2. The jury will determine whether the manga is obscene or if it has artistic value. If found guilty of the charges against him, Handley faces a five-year mandatory minimum sentence.

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37. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

KABC says 2 injured in shooting at Palm Desert ToysRUs, store in lockdown. KCAL says one juvenile is being held by authorities.

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38. marisacat - 28 November 2008

I was plowing thru a site a landed on accidentally… searching for something.. never had heard of it… Hoover Hog… absolutely fascinating site. Quite a few conversations about this or that person arrested, recently or in the past, for porn, or rahter, for obscenity.

http://www.Hooverhog.typepad.com

I remember how I got there, link in the IOZ threads.. a great tidbit on Gore Vidal…

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39. marisacat - 28 November 2008

12:30 update on KCBS is Mumbai… they will storm the Taj again in daylight. 4th, 5th round. round and round it goes…

They may get to Palm Desert… I am starting to wonder.

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40. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Witnesses say gunman at Toys R Us in Palm Desert (Desert Sun).

KMIR:

Right now, we’re following breaking news at the Toys R Us in Palm Desert. The Toys R Us at 72314 Highway 111 was evacuated shortly after 11:00 this morning after shoots were fired inside the toy store.

According to witnesses on scene two teenage girls began arguing when someone pulled out a gun and began shooting. Police say one person might’ve been fatally shot.

Right now, no suspects are in police custody.

MSNBC nows says 2 are dead there.

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41. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Love in the Time of Darwinism

The reason for all this anger, I submit, is that the dating and mating scene is in chaos. SYMs of the postfeminist era are moving around in a Babel of miscues, cross-purposes, and half-conscious, contradictory female expectations that are alternately proudly egalitarian and coyly traditional. And because middle-class men and women are putting off marriage well into their twenties and thirties as they pursue Ph.D.s, J.D.s, or their first $50,000 salaries, the opportunities for heartbreak and humiliation are legion. Under these harsh conditions, young men are looking for a new framework for understanding what (or, as they might put it, WTF) women want. So far, their answer is unlikely to satisfy anyone—either women or, in the long run, themselves.

Now, men and women have probably been a mystery to one another since the time human beings were in trees; one reason people developed so many rules around courtship was that they needed some way to bridge the Great Sexual Divide. By the early twentieth century, things had evolved so that in the United States, at any rate, a man knew the following: he was supposed to call for a date; he was supposed to pick up his date; he was supposed to take his date out, say, to a dance, a movie, or an ice-cream joint; if the date went well, he was supposed to call for another one; and at some point, if the relationship seemed charged enough—or if the woman got pregnant—he was supposed to ask her to marry him. Sure, these rules could end in a midlife crisis and an unhealthy fondness for gin, but their advantage was that anyone with an emotional IQ over 70 could follow them.

Today, though, there is no standard scenario for meeting and mating, or even relating. For one thing, men face a situation—and I’m not exaggerating here—new to human history. Never before have men wooed women who are, at least theoretically, their equals—socially, professionally, and sexually.

By the time men reach their twenties, they have years of experience with women as equal competitors in school, on soccer fields, and even in bed. Small wonder if they initially assume that the women they meet are after the same things they are: financial independence, career success, toned triceps, and sex.

But then, when an SYM walks into a bar and sees an attractive woman, it turns out to be nothing like that. The woman may be hoping for a hookup, but she may also be looking for a husband, a co-parent, a sperm donor, a relationship, a threesome, or a temporary place to live. She may want one thing in November and another by Christmas. “I’ve gone through phases in my life where I bounce between serial monogamy, Very Serious Relationships and extremely casual sex,” writes Megan Carpentier on Jezebel, a popular website for young women. “I’ve slept next to guys on the first date, had sex on the first date, allowed no more than a cheek kiss, dispensed with the date-concept altogether after kissing the guy on the way to his car, fucked a couple of close friends and, more rarely, slept with a guy I didn’t care if I ever saw again.” Okay, wonders the ordinary guy with only middling psychic powers, which is it tonight?

I find this kind of piece to be endlessly fascinating.

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42. marisacat - 28 November 2008

oh god girl shooters… by Monday we will be thick with teevee shrinks…

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44. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

No, first reports indicated the shooter was a guy that was with one of the girls.

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45. marisacat - 28 November 2008

juuust getting to palm desert… kcbs

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46. marisacat - 28 November 2008

oh god some one on the radio wants to open a lubavitcher purification baths joint in NORTH BEACH here in SF, in tribute to the orthodox rabbi and his wife who died in Mumbai. Apparently the Jewish Center in Mumbai was a center for the purification traditions of the Lubavitchers.

Just. what. we. need.

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47. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

you should have heard the drivel just now on the saintly couple in India. They were Gandhi and Mother Teresa from Brooklyn, or something. Not to belittle their deaths, but this need to turn every victim into some kind of sainted hero gets past old.

Just found this at Alternet:

The Five Most Wanted Rip-off Artists from Wall Street and Washington

Laissez-faire follies

One positive to come from this collapse is that it exposes the bankruptcy of several core ideas that have been pushed by free-market illusionists. For example, market infallibility–the notion that Wall Street investors, analysts, and bankers know more than anyone else, and the government (aka the public) should just get the hell out of the way and behold unfettered genius at work. So, behold. (And, by the way, these are the exact same people who only months ago were insisting that Americans would be so much better off if they would move their Social Security money from government hands to the more adventuresome wizards of Wall Street.)

Yet, those bankers and politicos who pushed this antigovernment ethos to today’s disastrous conclusion remain delusional. They cry for trillions of our tax dollars, but they insist that the profiteers must control the bailout and remain free of public supervision. George W himself still sticks with fantasy over reality, claiming that the fundamentals of the system are sound and that it is “essential” that any reforms not interfere with the “free market.”

It’s been a scream to hear these devout market ideologues explain how they’ve just become Wall Street socialists. Having big, bad government buy up the failed investments, then partially nationalize America’s financial system, is an unwelcome choice for Bush. “I frankly don’t want the government involved,” he said. “It was necessary.” Bailout chief Paulson (dubbed “King Henry” by Newsweek) said, “We regret having to take these actions”–but they’re necessary.

Why necessary? Because laissez-faire ideology is a crock. It failed. Americans are not being told the blunt truth, which is that the financial mess we’re in today is a direct result of the laissez-faire fraud that Wall Street and Washington willfully imposed on our nation. CEOs and banking lobbyists, presidents and treasury secretaries, regulators and lawmakers (of both parties) failed to protect America from money-grubbing bankers, hedge-fund speculators, and other big players.

As we’ve learned in the past few weeks, there is no “free” market. Indeed, it’s quite pricey when it trips and falls over the inevitable outcroppings of greed. That’s why strong, vigilant, and aggressive public regulation is essential. Don’t be fooled by claims that just throwing money at the hucksters will fix the problem. The only way to make America’s financial system trustworthy is to return to the sound fundamentals of public oversight–starting with the bailout itself.

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48. Chip Smith - 28 November 2008

Marisacat,

Thanks for linking to The Hoover Hog, and for bringing the Handley case to my attention. 20 years for possession of drawings. That’s far gone.

Chip

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49. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Chomsky: Is There Truth in Obama’s Advertising?

Furthermore, the election was just an event that was particular stage in a long continuing struggle, a lot before and a lot after. There was day when people pushed the levers but that’s just an event in ongoing popular struggles, very serious ones. A couple of years ago, there was a major struggle over privatization of water. An effort which it would in effect deprive a good part of the population of water to drink. And it was a bitter struggle. A lot of people were killed, but they won it. Through international solidarity, in fact, which helped. And it continues. Now that’s a real election. Again, the plans, the programs are being developed, acted on constantly by mass popular movements, which then select their own representatives from their own ranks to carry out their programs. And that’s quite different from what happened here.

Actually what happened here is understood by elite elements. The public relations industry which runs elections here — quadrennial extravaganzas essentially — makes sure to keep issues in the margins and focus on personalities and character and so on-and-so forth. They do that for good reasons. They know — they look at public opinion studies and they know perfectly well that on a host of major issues both parties are well to the right of the population. That’s one good reason to keep issues off the table. And they recognize the success.

So, every year, the advertising industry gives a prize to, you know, to the best marketing campaign of the year. This year, Obama won the prize. Beat out Apple company. The best marketing campaign of 2008. Which is correct, it is essentially what happened. Now that’s quite different from what happens in a functioning democracy like say Bolivia or Haiti, except for the fact that it was crushed. And in the South, it’s not all that uncommon. Notice that each of these cases, there’s a much more extraordinary display of democracy in action than what we’ve seen-important as it was-here. And so the rhetoric, especially in Europe is correct if we maintain our own narrow racist perspective and say yeah, what happened was in the South didn’t happen or doesn’t matter. The only matters is what we do and by our standards, it was extraordinary miracle, but not by the standards of functioning democracy. In fact, there’s a distinction in democratic theory, which does separate say the United States from Bolivia or Haiti.

Question is what is a democracy supposed to be? That’s exactly a debate that goes back to the constitutional convention. But in recent years in the 20th century, it’s been pretty well articulated by important figures. So at the liberal end the progressive end, the leading public intellectual of the 20th century was Walter Lippman. A Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy progressive. And a lot of his work was on a democratic theory and he was pretty frank about it. If you took a position not all that different from James Madison’s. He said that in a democracy, the population has a function. Its function is to be spectators, not participants. He didn’t call it the population. He called it the ignorant and meddlesome outsiders. The ignorant and meddlesome outsiders have a function and namely to watch what’s going on. And to push a lever every once in a while and then go home. But, the participants are us, us privileged, smart guys. Well that’s one conception of democracy. And you know essentially we’ve seen an episode of it. The population very often doesn’t accept this. As I mentioned, just very recent polls, people overwhelmingly oppose it. But they’re atomized, separated. Many of them feel hopeless, unorganized, and don’t feel they can do anything about it. So they dislike it. But that’s where it ends.

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50. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Chip Smith…

Thanks for stopping by… I am glad Madman linked to the
Hadley case… I especially loved your interview with Peter Soto, fascinating….

I love your site… and now that
i am not sidetracked will add to the little blogrolliana… ;)

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51. marisacat - 28 November 2008

47

well last night i saw a segment of all but loons, smiling lubavichers in the home stomping ground…, saying they had done gawd’s work in mumbai and he, that big he up there… would protect them

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52. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Japan Urging Return to Traditional Diet

The Japanese Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries put together an easy-to-follow, eye-opening video that shows how it plans to keep its citizenry fed. The initial problem: a shift in diet from the traditional Japanese cuisine (rice, veggies, and fish) to one based on big corn (cobs, chips, syrup, etc.) and Big Macs.

The video is really well done.

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53. marisacat - 28 November 2008

oh yahweh….

kgo is going to have the north beach rabbi on in an hour. [gnash teeth].

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54. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

I found the Handley link through Neil Gaiman’s Journal. He also links to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund who’re helping with the case, and to this excellent post about the consequences of the gov’t winning this witchhunt:

A conviction would have an impact on scholars of Japanese culture, especially those who research manga and anime. It would have an impact on scholars of erotica as well as manuscript and art collectors, including museums and academic institutions, because some historical works depict people who are clearly below the age of 18 in a sexualized fashion.

A conviction would impact what your Local Comic Shop, Large Chain Bookstore, or Local Library could safely stock.

A conviction would impact what works publishers can or cannot translate and import. It would impact the adaptations of classic literature or mythology from around the world they might publish. It would restrict what new, original works they could publish.

A conviction would mean that anybody who owns a first printing of DMP’s excellent Desire, BLU’s historically accurate Gerard & Jacques, or any edition of Top Shelf’s Lost Girls is open prosecution under the PROTECT act. And these publishers would have to substantially revise any future editions of these works or cease reprints.

And finally, for those of you who are active in fandoms such as Harry Potter, Twilight, Teen Titans, Young Avengers, or any other franchise for which there is a large volume of fan created art depicting fictional minors in an erotic fashion, a conviction means that Live Journal, Insane Journal, and Deviant Art will start cracking down on content and, of course, you are now open to criminal prosecution under the PROTECT act, because the previous protections which more or less exempted illustrations not based on real persons will have been substantially eroded.

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55. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

more on Handley in moderation, I think.

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56. marisacat - 28 November 2008

one based on big corn

we have got to stop marketing corn..esp the by products. no corn to the grazing cattle either… or, only a little, right at the end… to top off real grass grazing.

somebody shoot the karo syrup…please

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57. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

For one thing, men face a situation—and I’m not exaggerating here—new to human history.

Well shucks, everybody’s facing it, aren’t they? Not necessarily with courage, compassion, imagination, or wisdom, either! Individually or culturally.

Been thinking about the historically unprecedented love/sex/mating situation for most of my life, since I grew up (Western and) post-Pill, and as divorce was gaining respectability, etc. Agree the subject is fascinating, and I’m sure most of the readers here have watched as various generations have tried their hands at figuring out what to believe, how to navigate and negotiate mutual behavior, how to train up their children for the fray, and so forth.

The changes have been fast and furious, no doubt about it.

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58. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

RFLMAO

WASHINGTON (AP) — An adviser to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign who was forced to resign earlier this year after calling Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton a “monster” is now working on the transition team for the agency Clinton is expected to lead.

State Department officials said Friday that Samantha Power is among a group of foreign policy experts that the president-elect’s office selected to help the incoming administration prepare for Clinton’s anticipated nomination as secretary of state. The Obama transition team’s Web site includes Power’s name as one of 14 members of the “Agency Review Team” for the State Department.

Clinton’s role at State is expected to be announced after the Thanksgiving weekend. Power’s apparent rehabilitation is another sign of that impending move.

Clinton’s office declined to comment on Power’s inclusion in the State Department transition, but an official close to the Obama transition team said Power had “made a gesture to bury the hatchet” with Clinton and that it had been well-received.

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59. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Update from Desert Sun:

Two men dead in Toys ‘R’ Us shooting

Police told The Desert Sun that the two men were “the only ones involved.” Riverside County sheriff’s Lt. Greg Ammons said that while they are not looking for other suspects, an investigation into the shooting is ongoing.

Palm Desert Councilman Jim Ferguson said police told him two men with handguns shot and killed each other and that there were 25 witnesses. Ferguson said he asked police whether the incident was a dispute over a toy or whether it was gang-related. He said police told him they were not going to release further details until the next of kin were contacted.

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60. marisacat - 28 November 2008

had “made a gesture to bury the hatchet” with Clinton and that it had been well-received.

That is hysterically funny. Bet neither’s hatchet is buried too deep. Maybe they will find some happy little humanitarian “savioress” invasion to collaborate over. More of Condi’s ”birthing” crap.

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61. marisacat - 28 November 2008

59….

SF slowly catching up to the Desert Sun…

I just caught a report that “they shot each other”… and some indication that it might be gang related. Whew… San Francisco caught up with the local (in-state) news. They simply ignored it for an hour and half, or more.. Very odd.

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62. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

I think the hatchets were buried in Kerry’s back, when the office was handed over to Clinton.

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63. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

61 – I’m wondering how they managed to simultaneously shoot each other stone dead, and how/whether store security, emergency responders, and/or “witnesses” responded.

Well the pundits will be awfully torn this week, between the geopolitical “lessons” of Mumbai and the joys of moralizing on Black Friday here at home.

Oh and PS, the pirates got another chemical tanker, and plenty of other people got blown up elsewhere.

Let us be thankful as hell!

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64. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Taj still under assault.. the ITV report from the front of the Taj asserted that the oberoi is cleared.

Well… that is what they said

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65. mattes - 28 November 2008

#20 and 21

Livni: Western world under attack

The foreign minister said initial reports had indicated that the situation at the Chabad house was “very problematic”. She added, “Our world is under attack, and it doesn’t matter if it’s in India or somewhere else. Only when things like this happen do we understand that we are partners in the same battle.

“This is a reminder to the world. We are the target, and it’s not just Israel but the whole Western world. As we understand it they were looking for guests with American, British, and Israeli citizenship.”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3630284,00.html

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66. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

noom reacts to the calumny.

Watch out, Marisa. The Punjab may be calling you for details soon!

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67. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Ha ha. DTale is now tagged Joseph K, for reasons unimaginable.

Oh wait, I’m thinking he’s Joe for short.

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68. mattes - 28 November 2008

Something to think about, M of A:

Here is my conspiracy theory:

The right-wing, Hindu-nationalist BJP party is competing with the ruling Congress party for upcoming elections. A big election theme is Islamic terrorism.

On September 28 a bomb blast in Malegaon, some 150 miles north of Mumbai, killed four and injured 80.

Two years before in a series of bombings at a Muslim cemetery in Malegaon 31 were killed and over 100 wounded. Most were Muslim, but the local police then pointed to some people from the Student Islamic Movement of India as the culprits.

The investigation of this years blast in Malegaon was carried out by the Anti Terrorism Squad from the state capitol Mumbai under its chief Hemant Karkare. It figured that a right-wing nationalist Hindu groups, which included some former higher ranking military and had some ties to the BJP, was the culprit.

It is an ongoing huge investigation which has had loud echoes in the parliament and the election campaigns.

A week ago Hemant Karkare was in a tussle with the nationalist BJP:

The Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) on Thursday invoked the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act (MCOCA) against the ten accused arrested so far in the September 29 Malegaon blast case.

One more suspect would be arrested soon, ATS chief Hemant Karkare said at a press conference.
…
Rebutting senior BJP leader L K Advani’s charge, Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad said there was no political pressure on it in handling the Malegaon blast probe nor was there any substance in the charge that accused Lt Col P S Purohit was tortured in custody.

“There is zero political pressure and we are working professionally. Purohit has said in open court that ATS has not ill treated him,” ATS head Hemant Karkare said.

Two days ago Karkare received death threats:

The Pune cyber cell officer on Tuesday received a call from an unknown caller who issued death threat to Mumbai’s Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare, TV channels reported.

Yesterday Hemant Karkare was killed when he responded to the attack on the Taj hotel (video showing him preparing to go in).

All together four top anti-terror policemen were killed.

Mumbai Police Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare was among the dead. Two Indian Police Service (IPS) officers, additional police commissioners Ashok Kamte and Sadanand Date, were killed in separate gun battles with terrorists, the authorities said.

Mumbai Police “encounter specialist” Vijay Salaskar were also shot dead in another gun battle. Karkare was heading investigations into several recent cases of terrorist attacks here.

All four were in the first response wave against the attacks. Salaskar was a Mumbai top response officer with 75 criminals killed on his list. Kamte was the key officer in the state police and known to be ‘in the thick of it’.

Karkare died when he tried to enter the Taj hotel. Kamte and Salaskar died at the multiplex.(I could find out about Date.)

In total 14 police were killed and 26 wounded.

These are high numbers. How many of them were ambushed?

With Karkare dead, the investigation into the Malegaon explosions and their backers will likely be postponed until after the election.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2008/11/the-attack-in-1.html

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69. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Lurching Toward Gomorrah: More Signs of An Unstoppable Economic Meltdown

Growing numbers of other companies face similar problems or may in the months ahead. The auto giants are already insolvent and a hair’s breath from bankruptcy or even oblivion. Other companies fear a similar fate. It’s reflected in their sinking stock prices and bond yields, especially the junk variety. As reported in the Financial Times:

“Average yields on US junk bonds have topped 20 per cent for the first time (over 50% for GM debt) amid rising concerns about a protracted recession and a wave of corporate defaults.” It could have a “dramatic impact on economic activity” by making debt prohibitively expensive. These issuers comprise nearly half the corporate bond market, according to S & P. “The yield on the benchmark Merrill Lynch US High-Yield index hit 20.81″ topping its previous 18.66 January 1991 reading.

Even worse, the risk premium spread over Treasuries is nearly double what it was then when the benchmark 10-year bond yielded over 8%. Today, it’s ranging between around 3.0 – 4.0%. Moody’s sees 14% of corporate bonds defaulting – an all-time high figure since it began keeping records, and it’s likely the number will rise as the global crisis deepens and companies start falling like tenpins.

Maybe US Treasuries also according to analyst Martin Hennecke of Bridgewater Ltd, Hong Kong. He told clients that “The US might really have to look at a default on the bankruptcy reorganization of the present financial system,” and a corresponding government one is very possible.

“In the United States, there is already a funding crisis, and they will have to sell a lot more bonds next year to fund the bailout packages that have already been signed off.” He added that to solve or stem the current crisis, America will have to radically reduce spending across the board and recall all its troops from around the world. As for a stimulus package, “there is not much of an industry left to stimulate back to life,” he believes. Others agree and see depression ahead – not whether but when it will arrive.

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70. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

Citizens’ Economic Stimulus Plan: Stop Paying Credit Card Debt

I have argued in recent articles that the government should implement what I have modestly called the “Cook Plan,” whereby a dividend similar to the Alaska Permanent Fund would be paid to every U.S. citizen at the rate of $1,000 per month in vouchers for food, housing, and other necessities of life.

This dividend would be paid out of the U.S. Treasury, where I used to work, from an emergency self-financed account without recourse to taxes or government debt. The dividend would constitute each citizen’s fair share of the producing potential of the economy, as advocated by Social Credit reformers in the British Commonwealth nations for decades. The vouchers could then be deposited in a new network of community savings banks that would revitalize local economies through lending at zero-percent interest, charging only administrative fees and a small amount of lending insurance for access to capital.

Such a system would provide recompense for the vast amounts of money stolen from citizens’ pockets due to a lifetime of borrowing from financial institutions which are now looting our children’s and grandchildren’s heritage to pay for generations of abuse. This abuse has taken place under a debt-based monetary system by which banks create money out of thin air, then charge the rest of us interest to utilize it for survival. This system has operated for almost a century under the auspices of a Federal Reserve System accountable to no one.

The “Cook Plan” would bring real reform to a system that has collapsed. The plan would begin to correct the primary cause of the recession, which is the steep decline of consumer purchasing power.

Of course I am not so deluded as to believe Congress or the incoming Obama administration would implement it. Why would the politicians turn against a financial system which paid their way into office? As indicated by the announcement that Obama will appoint Timothy Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, as his treasury secretary, it’s the banking system that will continue to oversee the government, not the other way around. Even so, I would be happy to explain the “Cook Plan” to Mr. Geithner – for free.

So until real relief is forthcoming, citizens who are in distress should simply destroy their credit cards and stop paying the monthly bills. People are already doing this. Arrearages and defaults are climbing, and credit card debt is starting to be viewed as the next bubble to burst. But so what? If people have to use a credit card, that means they can’t really afford to buy whatever it is they think they want. If they can afford it, they should use a debit card instead.

Then tell the credit card company you cannot pay. Ask them to write off some or all of the debt, and if they want to take you to court, go on your own and defend yourself. You don’t need a lawyer, and you don’t need anyone’s permission. You also don’t need to go through the horrendous “reformed” bankruptcy system the credit card companies got Congress to pass in 2005. Failure to pay credit card debt is not, thank God, a crime in this country, and there are no debtors’ prisons—yet.

Besides, if people do not pay credit card debt, that money remains in circulation. So default is actually a form of patriotism in today’s trying circumstances. And the credit card companies really don’t lose anything, since the money didn’t exist before they lent it to people who are now broke.

Where I used to live in the country in rural Virginia, the story was going around about a farmer who fell down in the pen where he was feeding his pigs, and the pigs ate him. That is what has been happening in this country. The financial industry which is now swilling at the public trough has been eating alive a nation that was once “the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

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71. mattes - 28 November 2008

Ecuador Audit Commission Uncovers ‘Illegality’ in Debt

20 November 2008

A commission auditing Ecuador’s foreign debt says it has found what it describes as “illegality” in the obligations. The finding may prompt President Rafael Correa to suspend Ecuador’s bond payments.

The audit commission says in a new report that Ecuador’s debt has grown to the benefit of financial sectors and transnational companies and gone against the country’s interests.

It is reportedly recommending that the government suspend payments on three bonds amounting to nearly $4 billion worth of debt.

Last week, President Rafael Correa withheld a $30 million interest payment on a 2012 bond, saying he will use a month-long grace period to consider the legitimacy of the external debt.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-11-20-voa68.cfm

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72. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Besides, if people do not pay credit card debt, that money remains in circulation. So default is actually a form of patriotism in today’s trying circumstances. And the credit card companies really don’t lose anything, since the money didn’t exist before they lent it to people who are now broke.

Where I used to live in the country in rural Virginia, the story was going around about a farmer who fell down in the pen where he was feeding his pigs, and the pigs ate him.

Excellent juxtaposition!
:)

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73. mattes - 28 November 2008

Since the Federal Reserve has failed to live up to their obligation to keep the American banking community healthy, we should nationalize them and purge our debt!

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74. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

there are no debtors’ prisons—yet.
Not that vee don’t still haff vayz.

Mind your frozen bank accounts and over-the-table income executions!

For many, it’s becoming increasing worthwhile to pay at least a consult fee to a BK lawyer. BAPCPA notwithstanding (in fact, consumer rights thereunder are only beginning to emerge from the fog of the credit wars and will likely continue to morph). Even with all the hurdley rigaramole, a decent Ch. 13 still beats the average credit “workout” (or wage garnishment indenture) for speed and efficiency, not to mention leverage power and overall price.

70s rock star family interiors were fun!

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75. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

PS – Tell everyone and anyone you know to RUN, not walk, from the “debt consolidation” or “debt management” profiteers.

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76. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Apologies madman and IB

one each out of Mod…..

Madman’s on Gomorrah and economic meltdown… and one of

IB;s on Dtale travails over at FSZ…

sorry for the delay!

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77. marisacat - 28 November 2008

68

Don’ think it can be ignored.

I am watching C-punch, there is a writer there who is knowledgeable about the Hindu right, BJP etc…

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78. marisacat - 28 November 2008

All together four top anti-terror policemen were killed. — MoA via Madman..

Thanks I had caught the three but not hte 4th, …

Mumbai Police “encounter specialist” Vijay Salaskar were also shot dead in another gun battle.

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79. marisacat - 28 November 2008

I just stopped in at FSZ and see there is also a “username noom 2″ with a diary… as well as Joseph K whoever has a diary going.

Why destroy when you can create?
by: Joseph K – Nov 28

Sherlock Jerkscock or Mad Prankster?
by: username noom 2 – Nov 28
29 Comments

So… they all live over in that enclave and work cave that corresponded to the REAL ISP that SThief used?

My guess is yes.

Puppet and Sock Pantomime!!

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80. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Just hearing that the historic side of the Taj is completely engulfed in flames…(I slept for a couple of hours, so waaay behind)

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81. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

78 – that was Mattes’ catch, actually!

A false flag attack seems perfectly within the realm of possibility, esp. considering how much involvement the Israelis and the US have there … both LOVE to teach their proxies to run false flag ops.

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82. marisacat - 28 November 2008

And we had Black Friday PLUS Critical Mass, the bycicle thing on monthly Fridays.

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83. marisacat - 28 November 2008

68 … and 81

Thanks Madman! apologies mattes

I was still asleep…

Anyone doubts possibility of false flag, google “bologna+train+station+gladio

Something like a 100+ died in bombings blamed on the left and perpetrated, after years passed with the left blamed, most likely by western and NATO aligned “left behind forces” (gladio) with tentacles to US Intell… a force to work from the right, destabilise the left and charged as a standing force agaisnt the communist hordes etc etc etc… and so on.

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84. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 November 2008

83 – IIRC, a lot of attacks in Latin America were false flag as well.

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85. bayprairie - 28 November 2008

29

donkeytale now banned on a wafer-thin pretext.

cue the return…

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86. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Per “Indian Official”: Siege at the Taj is over!! (repeat do not wash)

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87. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Not being a blog-owner and particarlyunruly familiar with IPs, and going strictly by ear, I have no reason to believe there aren’t 3, count em, 3 distinct loonies associated with the entities known as noooom, Shadowsneak, and DTTTurd.

Amazing D Byron escaped this free-but-not-blind-speech Blog Moniker Flashlight Round. (BTW – He’s got a new ex-kos admirer, to boot! Snorted a sip of proverbial coffee when I spied a comment header titled I agree with your take on feminism and knew it was addressed to Lord Stomach Flu earlier toady.

I mean today.

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88. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

85 – Don’t threaten my life.

Same as peeder, eh?

And they say the ladies ain’t brave enough for the ruffians and tumblers.

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89. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

Who wants to race for a youtube minute or two of musical redemption?

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90. marisacat - 28 November 2008

Well i ahve not read them, extensively anyway.. but noom strikes me as a lout. Pro israel [heavily] kind of asshole.

Donkeytale I thought was nutz bonkers flipped out a mental case long ago.. years ago, at Booman Tribune and at Nowhwere, the small blog that I think Dem operatives connected to Dkos took down, hacked… whatever I might think of the guy who had it (man without a country? and who else might he be?), he fostered donkeytale to the nth degree.

STale a frigging nutter. To be blunt probably should nto be anywehre near a school system (his too likely real ISP) And from what i have heard from people who sadly engaged in private emails with one of his many entities, a manipulative fucking nut.

noom seems to dip away, if he is given to full on character breakdown (but them I have only slightly read him I may have missed the heavy nutter events)….

Dtale and SThief like to flail in full public view, some version of Nut Case Christ on the Cross in Public as their brains personalities and probably sexual organs (figment and otherwise) fragment.

***

Oh yes, siege at Taj is OVER. They say…

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91. bayprairie - 28 November 2008

if i were an oak i might be a little afraid of the tale.

if i were a blog admin i’d just ban him for being an asshole and leave it at that

resorting to laughable excuses such as referenced today to avoid the ire of the readership is absurd.

89. i’m with ya!

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92. Intermittent Bystander - 28 November 2008

OK, well, a tad retro, I realize, but in the spirit of the season of maize and all, here it is: Arlo does Alice’s Restaurant live, 40 yrs later, with vintage clips.

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93. marisacat - 28 November 2008

gnu thred…….

LINK

…………………….. 8O ……………..

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