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Let’s hear who died again…? 29 November 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, India, WAR!.
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Relatives and neighbors mourn as they attend the funeral of Haresh Gohil, a 16 year old boy who was killed by gunmen near Chabad-Lubavitch center,also known as Nariman House in Mumbai, India, Saturday, Nov. 29, 2008. Indian commandos killed the last remaining [they keep pushing that! —Mcat] gunmen holed up at a luxury Mumbai hotel Saturday, ending a 60-hour rampage through India’s financial capital by suspected Islamic militants that rocked the nation. [AP Photo/Gurinder Osan]

Last I am hearing, as of late Saturday afternoon, is 212… 26 non-Indian nationals.

Tho this headline is appearing over an older report in the Telegraph:

Mumbai attacks: 300 feared dead as full horror of the terrorist attacks emerges

The death toll in the Mumbai terror attack is expected to soar to nearly 300, Indian officials said, as details emerged of the highly-organised terror plot

They need to work this out… because various tellings of the “story” (various boats, some who posed as Malaysian students and rented a house, some who checked into the Taj early and stashed weapons and materiel, three in a cab that blew up before reaching the airport, a small team dressed as Indian police who commandered a van while the Taj was under one part of the assault, etc.) just do not support “10 terrorists”, especially with 10 targetted sites…

It is believed that just 10 highly-trained terrorists took part in the attack. Nine were killed and one suspect is under arrest.

Okaaay…? The thing is dripping with freshly shed blood…but it sure seems we are inside a cartoon.

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1. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: Mumbai…isn’t that in Israel?

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2. marisacat - 29 November 2008: It is now……………….

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3. bayprairie - 29 November 2008: so at what point does sirota realize he’s just providing free content for an asshole?

Poll: Stay or Go?
by David Sirota

dude. get a clue. walk away. there is no movement.

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4. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: Well Played all around.

I saw a particularly odious attempt to Trademark the Victimhood® on DK this weekend with the retailer’s lede:

One Pissed Off Jew
by ModerateFundamentalist
Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:49:06 AM PST

I am just sick and tired of being a target for every pissed off group of Islamic fuckwads who want to make a name for themselves and show how proud they are making ‘Allah’. The tragedy of Mumbai isn’t about Jews by any means, but of course, the shit stains on humanity that carried this out couldn’t contain their joy in slaughtering a few Jews during their orgy of stupidity. Well, I’m fucking done with it.

So formulaic. Jews as Victims (empathy), cursory qualification (reason), then Nuke the RagHeads®, Every Last one of Em®.(easy credit terms available).

To their credit , a number of the Dkossers took the diarist to task.

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5. marisacat - 29 November 2008: I just read a diary over at FSZ on that incident.

LINK

Sirota is regular, FP, contributor at Open Left, as well.

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6. marisacat - 29 November 2008: well as India starts to push even harder that it was Pakistan (and just heard Cressy on NBC all but say, with no equivocation) I am leaning more to hard core Hindu rightests, false flag, at least not dismiss the possibility… Esp as the head of counter terrorism was taken out.

I had posted this at the end of last thread:

Speaking of possible false flag operations, from the 23rd of November:

India uncovers Hindu terror group that carried out bombings blamed on Islamists

By Andrew Buncombe in Delhi
Sunday, 23 November 2008

India is in something of a state of shock after learning from official sources that its first Hindu terror cell may have carried out a series of deadly bombings that were initially blamed on militant Muslims. The revelation is forcing the country to consider some difficult questions.

At least 10 people have been arrested in connection with several bomb blasts in the Muslim-dominated town of Malegaon in the western state of Maharashtra in September, which left six people dead. But reports suggest that police believe the cell may also have carried out a number of previous attacks, including last year’s notorious bombing of a cross-border train en route to Pakistan, which killed 68 people. Among the alleged members of the cell are a serving army officer and a Hindu monk.

Bomb attacks are not uncommon in India – there has been a flurry in recent months – but police usually blame them on Muslim extremists, often said to have links to militant groups based in either Pakistan or Bangladesh. As a result, the recent cracking of the alleged Hindu cell has forced India to face some difficult issues. A country that prides itself on purported religious and cultural toleration – an ambition that in reality often falls short – has been made to ask itself how this cell could operate for so long. India’s military, which prides itself on its professionalism, has been forced to order an embarrassing inquiry.

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Meanwhile, senior right-wing leaders have made no secret of their wish that Hindus should form suicide squads to protect themselves against Muslim extremists. Bal Thackeray, leader of a group called the Shiv Sena, which has been responsible for communal and regional violence in Mumbai, wrote recently in the party’s magazine: “The threat of Islamic terror in India is rising. It is time to counter the same with Hindu terror. Hindu suicide squads should be readied to ensure the existence of Hindu society and to protect the nation.” ::snip::

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7. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: Oooo.. should David stay or go? (henk) (hanky)
(fighting back the tears)

Will Little DH appear on CSpan after the community rallies during the Holidays and pays for hisSpeech Therapy?
Will Either Find Steady Work?
Stay tune for It’s A Wonderful Could Give A Fuck.

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8. marisacat - 29 November 2008: oh yes… change is on the way All that fucking DNA bullshit and making the oceans recede..

Years ago I had read that the story of the dogs on Diego Garcia, to drive the people from their homes, that their dogs were shot. This likely is the truth. And far worse. Same message tho, what we do to your dogs, we will do to you.

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9. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: LOL, Bayprarie re Sirota-

dude. get a clue. walk away. there is no movement.

These guys are the Keebler Elves in the Guest / Writer / Host /Panelist Cottage Industy. Strictly non union. Sirota’s the New Chomsky like Moulitsas is the New Vidal.

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10. marisacat - 29 November 2008: hmmm when I was at Chris Floyd/Empire Burlesque, I saw this. Posted on the 24th… on what I mentioned yesterday, the decades fo the “strategy of tension” in Italy, “Gladio”, the post WW2 ”left behind” armies, aligned iwth US intell, right wing movements and false flag operations.

[A]mong the “smoking guns” unearthed by Ganser is a Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, which detailed the methodology for launching terrorist attacks in nations that “do not react with sufficient effectiveness” against “communist subversion.” Ironically, the manual states that the most dangerous moment comes when leftist groups “renounce the use of force” and embrace the democratic process. It is then that “US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince Host Country Governments and public opinion of the reality of the insurgent danger.” Naturally, these peace-throttling “special operations must remain strictly secret,” the document warns.

Indeed, it would not do for, say, the families of the 85 people ripped apart by the August 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station to know that their loved ones had been murdered by “men inside Italian state institutions and…by men linked to the structures of United States intelligence,” as the Italian Senate concluded after its investigation in 2000.

The Bologna atrocity is an example of what Gladio’s masters called “the strategy of tension” – fomenting fear to keep populations in thrall to “strong leaders” who will protect the nation from the ever-present terrorist threat. And as Rajiva notes, this strategy wasn’t limited to Western Europe. It was applied – with gruesome effectiveness – in Central America by the Reagan-Bush administrations. During the 1980s, rightwing death squads, guerrilla armies and state security forces – armed, trained and supplied by the United States – murdered tens of thousands of people throughout the region, often acting with particular savagery at those times when peaceful solutions to the conflicts seemed about to take hold….

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11. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: False Flags

You’d think nobody ever read the advanced Dick and Jane:

“We’re going with Mommy to the store,now,Spot.
You be a good boy with Kitty.”

Later, horrified, Mommy, Dick and Jane came home to see
someone had pooped on the floor.

“Now who could have done THAT?” Mommy wondered.

“Ritty! Ritty!” Spot barked while eyeballin’ and neckbonin’ in Kitty’s direction.

Same shit Goldy Locks tried to pull with the Three Bears
“Prolly card-carryin’ NRA.” was how I used to tell it to my daughter when she was 4. “Watch out for cunning blonds”.

Seriously, now: It’s just that Nothing. Shall. Evah. interrupt our
USA!USA! / God’s Chosen People®self deception.
Riddle me this..If it that putz Bush had the PDB “Safe” fall on him in August01 of impending AQ attacks, no one else knew?

With a Trillion Dollars to be had, why kvetch about
a little off-Broadway production that’s doomed?
( inevitably so – the rationalization goes.)

Of course, in sorting out credible accounts, AQ were the proximate actors.
Not even close to the cause. Or the beneficiaries.
Simply not mutually exclusive. And we’ll never know, without comprehensive investigation. Not holding my breath…

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12. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: HuffPo has all caps (they’re BIG ON THAT LATELY):

US FEARS INDIAN MILITARY RESPONSE AGAINST PAKISTAN
linking to a Times piece…
Sure we out-sourc-a-fuckin-doodle-DO.

Ironically, HuffPo also had a Piece
“GOP sees Bobby Jindal as Republican Obama.”

…’slike the PTB just has a whole de stable-in-waiting down at Central Casting.

Per the Chomsky that Madman cited two threads back, that Electoral Success is much a Media Award for Best Marketing Campaign as it is for substance..yeh, well..

Politico has two fetes on their FP

Publishers Bet Big on “Obama As Hero”

and, Sarah Palin: A Digital SuperStar

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13. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: re mattes piece, the Lubavitchers are misguided at best,
nutz on average, zealots most… but, Channeling the Reagan Era now-

Shouldn’t we consider it our privilege to pay for their racketeering? Ugh.

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14. BooHooHooMan - 29 November 2008: / thread hog

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15. mattes - 29 November 2008: I knew someone stationed at Diego Garcia, he ended up becoming a nuclear plant operator.

UGH on that story, my best best friend was a dog.

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16. marisacat - 30 November 2008: US FEARS INDIAN MILITARY RESPONSE AGAINST PAKISTAN

Thye are pushing ti so hard, that I hve stopped thinking that is in any way what ahppened.

What a scam.

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17. marisacat - 30 November 2008: Times Online:

Relations between India and Pakistan were on a knife edge this morning as Indian authorities combed through the wreckage of last week’s attacks on Bombay and interrogated the one Pakistani militant captured.

A senior Pakistani security official has warned that Pakistan would pull back troops fighting Islamist militants on the Afghan frontier if India builds up its forces on Pakistan’s border, as it did after an attack by Pakistani militants on India’s parliament in 2001.

He said the next 48 hours would be crucial for the two nuclear-armed neighbours, which have fought three wars since winning independence from Britain in 1947, and almost went to a fourth after the Indian parliament attacks.

“If something happens on that front, the war on terror won’t be our priority,” the senior security officer told journalists at a briefing.

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18. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: It occurred to me this morning that the US might us the “tensions” as an excuse to back a coup for the installation of a new strong man in Pakistan, with the understanding that he would clamp down on the regions/people “responsible” for the Mumbai attacks.

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19. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: Nerf factory riot in China

Tempers began flaring Tuesday when the plant’s Hong Kong owner, Kader Holdings Company Ltd., prepared to lay off 216 migrant workers at the factory that employs 6,500. About 80 senior workers claimed they were getting shortchanged on their severance pay, and they mobilized a mob of 500 — mostly other unemployed workers and friends, Guo said.

The workers battled security guards, turned over a police car, smashed the headlights of police motorcycles and forced their way through the factory’s front gate, Guo said. They went on a rampage in the plant’s offices, damaging 10 computers, the company said.

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20. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: Op-ed in the Times by a guy who wrote a well-reviewed book about the culture of Mumbai: What They Hate About Mumbai

MY bleeding city. My poor great bleeding heart of a city. Why do they go after Mumbai? There’s something about this island-state that appalls religious extremists, Hindus and Muslims alike. Perhaps because Mumbai stands for lucre, profane dreams and an indiscriminate openness.

Mumbai is all about dhandha, or transaction. From the street food vendor squatting on a sidewalk, fiercely guarding his little business, to the tycoons and their dreams of acquiring Hollywood, this city understands money and has no guilt about the getting and spending of it. I once asked a Muslim man living in a shack without indoor plumbing what kept him in the city. “Mumbai is a golden songbird,” he said. It flies quick and sly, and you’ll have to work hard to catch it, but if you do, a fabulous fortune will open up for you. The executives who congregated in the Taj Mahal hotel were chasing this golden songbird. The terrorists want to kill the songbird.

Just as cinema is a mass dream of the audience, Mumbai is a mass dream of the peoples of South Asia. Bollywood movies are the most popular form of entertainment across the subcontinent. Through them, every Pakistani and Bangladeshi is familiar with the wedding-cake architecture of the Taj and the arc of the Gateway of India, symbols of the city that gives the industry its name. It is no wonder that one of the first things the Taliban did upon entering Kabul was to shut down the Bollywood video rental stores. The Taliban also banned, wouldn’t you know it, the keeping of songbirds.

Bollywood dream-makers are shaken. “I am ashamed to say this,” Amitabh Bachchan, superstar of a hundred action movies, wrote on his blog. “As the events of the terror attack unfolded in front of me, I did something for the first time and one that I had hoped never ever to be in a situation to do. Before retiring for the night, I pulled out my licensed .32 revolver, loaded it and put it under my pillow.”

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21. wu ming - 30 November 2008: that’s a very intriguing article, about the hindu RW false flag attacks. it figures that the story would be reported by a belfast paper.

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22. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: Religion is Linked to Immoral Behavior in New Study

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23. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: What the data miners are digging up about you

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24. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: Educated Catholics have sown dissent and confusion in the Church, claims bishop

The Rt Rev Patrick O’Donoghue, the Bishop of Lancaster, has claimed that graduates are spreading scepticism and sowing dissent. Instead of following the Church’s teaching they are “hedonistic”, “selfish” and “egocentric”, he said.

In particular, the bishop complained that influential Catholics in politics and the media were undermining the Church.

While not naming names, he suggested that such people had been compromised by their education, which he said had a “dark side, due to original sin”.

Prominent Catholics in public life include Mark Thompson, the BBC’s director general, and Tony Blair, the former Prime Minister.

Bishop O’Donoghue, who has recently published a report on how to renew Catholicism in Britain, argued that mass education has led to “sickness in the Church and wider society”.

“What we have witnessed in Western societies since the end of the Second World War is the development of mass education on a scale unprecedented in human history – resulting in economic growth, scientific and technological advances, and the cultural and social enrichment of billions of people’s lives,” he said.

“However, every human endeavor has a dark side, due to original sin and concupiscence. In the case of education, we can see its distortion through the widespread dissemination of radical scepticism, positivism, utilitarianism and relativism.

“Taken together, these intellectual trends have resulted in a fragmented society that marginalizes God, with many people mistakenly thinking they can live happy and productive lives without him.

“It shouldn’t surprise us that the shadows cast by the distortion of education, and corresponding societal changes, have also touched members of the Church. As Pope Benedict XVI puts it, even in the Church we find hedonism, selfishness and egocentric behavior.”

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25. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: A little thing I heard that sums up how fucked the priorities are in this culture — Sheryl Crow talking about a jingle she sang on for McDonalds when she was just starting out:

“I made in that one commercial, I made more than I made in two years of teaching.”

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26. aemd - 30 November 2008: #21 Yeah, it’s scary what can be found with a little spare time and not so mad skills (old folk hackin’ the youngin’ speak here)

That Hoover Hog site is interesting. Don’t get the anti-natalist/darwinist thing, confusing and too POV driven, but it does have some interesting content.

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27. marisacat - 30 November 2008: Sorry Madman.. WP snagged you three times… all out now.

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28. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: no problem!

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29. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: #22Mickey D’s / Sheryl Crow

If it makes you happy it can’t be that bad.

That’s the song I was singing
Right up until my heart attack.

Notice the proprietorship with everything.
When I had My Heart Attack..
When the time is right for your heart attack will YOU be Ready?
I’m confused half the time (OMG) whether its the Fundie Pitch, Viagra, Aspirin, or
McLovin It.

{TV Deja Vu fade, with Harps}
sitting in tailgate of pickup,
family camping in background:::

Flannel Shirt Guy:: I just remember pounding my chest with the Bible – Sunday no less – after having swallowed a whole bunch of – I think they were little blue pills, eh Janie? – ‘course THEN I had the heart attack, our fellow campers, were worried of course,…

Wife: { Chiming/Leaning in fondly with Arm Pat}..Some of whom couldn’t resist the comedic impulse to cover Ned with a tent, but Thank God… our adopted Americanized Organic Lubavitcher from India …

Flannel Shirt Guy::…said ‘Daddy there’s a McDonalds closeby!’

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30. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: Tweaking the dialogue a bit..

Flannel Shirt Guy:: I just remember pounding my chest with the Bible – here at the Sunday School Retreat no less – after having swallowed a whole bunch of – I think they were little blue pills, eh Janie? – ‘course THEN I had the heart attack, our fellow campers, were worried of course,…

Wife: { Chiming/Leaning in fondly with Arm Pat}..Some of whom couldn’t resist the comedic impulse to cover Ned with a tent, but Thank God… our adopted Completely Organic Lubavitcher from India …

Flannel Shirt Guy::…said ‘Daddy there’s a McDonalds closeby!’
::
::

I figure “Retreat” works better for motive if not action,
and seein’ as how there ain’t no “Americanized” about Lubavitcher,
I traded it in for the irony of “Completely Organic” and India…

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31. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 21 wu ming

The Belfast Telegraph also had this story, from the photog who took the pic of the single shooter in the train station. The photog claims that the police, while he was at the train station did not return fire, more than once, too. And they were armed.

“Towards the station entrance, there are a number of bookshops and one of the bookstore owners was trying to close his shop,” he recalled. “The gunmen opened fire and the shopkeeper fell down.”

But what angered Mr D’Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. “There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything,” he said. “At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, ‘Shoot them, they’re sitting ducks!’ but they just didn’t shoot back.”

I also read a single reference, very early on, in one of the UK papers that India is completely unable to face that the killing may have come from their own domestic, India based, issues, that an element of youth (and whoever else) has given up on political solutions. I have no clue what happened, but the Indians are pushing too hard, right off, on Pakistan. And the one shooter they have in hand seems to be telling them exactly what they want to hear.

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32. marisacat - 30 November 2008: At first, briefly, the couple at least, rabbi and wife were described as duals. US Israeli citizenship… but then I did not see that again.

What a tangled mess.

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33. marisacat - 30 November 2008: oh lovely.. we now have a CA priest telling his congrgation that they should go to confession for voting for Obrama. He sent a letter to his full cong., 15K (isn’t that a megachurch??) Modesto, CA. Will find a report.

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34. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 26

oh I don’t agree with everything there, but I liked how wide ranging the interests are…(tons of interesting links in the side bar too) and his interviews with a Holocaust denier (an interesting non Horowitz-like one) were absolutely fascinating. LOL I don’t have to get on the bandwagon. Then again, I don’t think Holocaust deniers should serve time.

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35. bayprairie - 30 November 2008: kostapo meta up at la naranja

Have You Ever Been Investigated?
by George Gould

‘tis the season…

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36. marisacat - 30 November 2008: On all the stuff the Bushies are rushing into regs or rules. All I can say is GOOD LUCK.

Once the new rules take the form of law, Democrats can undo them only by three complicated means: through a new regulatory rulemaking that would probably take years; through congressional amendments to underlying laws; or through special, fast-track resolutions of disapproval approved by the House and Senate within a few months after the start of the new congressional session on Jan. 6.

Such a quick congressional rebuke has occurred only once before, in 2001, when a Republican-controlled Congress with President Bush’s backing blocked a workplace safety regulation completed in the Clinton administration’s final months. But recently, spokesmen for Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said Democrats were prepared to use that regulatory reversal power in consultation with Obama. ::snip::

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37. aemd - 30 November 2008: #24

Went to the funeral of a friend. Through her parents influence she, a non-Catholic, got buried in the Catholic tradition. Experienced what I’ve come to think of as the Evangelical Catholic movement. Scary shit.

Thank the baby Jebbus 🙂 for my baby sister… who quietly leaned over to me and so softly said “swear to me that when I die you won’t plant me like this… I’ll never, fuckin’ never forgive you if you put my friends through this shit.”

Quite the surprise as I thought she was “A Believer”.

LOL, life is a lesson. Ya learn something new every day.

(We never discussed the spiritual in my family. It was always off limits as a private matter. Weird bunch we are)

#34

Oh yeah, I agree. Ain’t on that bandwagon but it is a fascinating site. A Holocaust denier demanding absolute proof of intent, Sotos juxtaposed with Dworkin, Dawrst and his worry about the sentience of ants in a post headed with graphic Lingchi.

What people think/see about life and puzzling it together, most times with a hammer, is what we as humans do, ain’t it. No firm answers, just more questions that shouldn’t be asked. I wish more would ask them.
Off to check that side bar…. 🙂

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38. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: 34 – EVERYTHING into the light, to share and share alike. That’s the whole point of the internet. Hell, the whole point of life.

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39. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 37

oh your sister sounds great.. and the Catholics, even more than ever before, have lost their fucking minds joining the evangelical movement. Nutters.

The Hoover Hog guy is very interesting on Dworkin, fully appeciative of the opposite end of the pole. Somebody has go t to push the edges… btw, forget where at his site, but i landed on how he met his wife. Incredibly sweet story… 😉

I loved reading the Holocaust denier (forget his name) transition to questioning, to the point of denial, all mass marketed political thought. Loved it!

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40. Intermittent Bystander - 30 November 2008: 35 – Ha! Just dropped by to note that kostapo link, too.

Metapocalypse Now!

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41. marisacat - 30 November 2008: I made it over to that diary.. May I say again, I remember when Bob Johnson was not a rude fucking nutter? he sure has been, and for years now. Bought into the Dkos thug world. Completely.

Who gives a fuck? (12+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
taylormattd, decafdyke, skrymir, juslikagrzly, Spathiphyllum, Mia Dolan, Blicero, yg17, George Gould, Futuristic Dreamer, NoisyWithdrawal, Otteray Scribe

Why don’t all you pinheads take your petty, personal grievances to your own sites where you can bash each other in an endless circle jerk?

Losers, all…

Thank Howard Dean. Donate to the DNC.

by Bob Johnson on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 09:04:19 AM PST

hmmm

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42. marisacat - 30 November 2008: hmm related to anonymity and outing on the netternets… comments, tho few are good. I think the issues are a lot broader than misogyny, however…

The thing that troubles me is outing peoples’ work places or contacting employers. The other problem is far too many epople set themselves up to be found. more hmmm.

BTW, that all too famous incident here, in March of 2007 (easily findable if anyone cares, blew up last day of Feb and first day of March and for days afterward) involved a picture published on the net (in addition to other photos of said indiv, elsewhere at blogs) with no name and no work loc mentioned. Oh yeah, he threatened to sue too. LOL.

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43. marisacat - 30 November 2008: BTW, related to the last minute moves of Bushiters… I found this passage in the SF Chron last night. Succinct explanation, in addition to the Wapo link in #36:

Obama and his advisers have already signaled their wariness of last-minute efforts by the Bush administration to embed its policies into the Code of Federal Regulations, a collection of rules having the force of law. The advisers have also said that Obama plans to look at a number of executive orders issued by Bush.

A new president can unilaterally reverse executive orders issued by his predecessors, as Bush and President Bill Clinton did in selected cases. But it is much more difficult for a new president to revoke or alter final regulations put in place by a predecessor. A new administration must solicit public comment and supply “a reasoned analysis” for such changes, as if it were issuing a new rule, the Supreme Court has said. ::snip::

So far, I find no clear mention either, of the threatened moves to greatly expand the ability of broad swathes of health care workers to deny care for religious, moral or even just “personal” reasons… silently slipped from view. Which may mean nothing.

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44. bayprairie - 30 November 2008: 41. johnson’s motiviation has been crystal clear for quite some time.

“Where iss it, where iss it: my Precious, my Precious? It’s ours, it is, and we wants it. The thieves, the thieves, the filthy little thieves. Where are they with my Precious? Curse them! We hates them.”

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45. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: I tossed up a post about the nutball UK priest.

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46. marisacat - 30 November 2008: speaking of nutball priests… the letter Rev Fr Illo sent to his congration in Modesto. They have it up at the church site.

it’s a pdf but loads immediately:

Click to access abortionletter.pdf

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47. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: IOZ: Complaining that NBC is in the tank for the defense industry is like complaining that Pravda was in the tank for the Red Army.

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48. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: My Barack Pages

But it’s neither that complicated nor so ridiculous, is it? Real history, even in the living of it, isn’t a seamless narrative that enfolds all events into a single narrator’s construct. As recently as September, I thought there was no clear path for an Obama victory. Still, the election didn’t need to be staged, not with a vetting process designed to winnow out all contenders who don’t know what and to who they owe, who might do something, even by chance, that could divest the true rulers of their rule. (And McCain didn’t actually run to lose, not really, though the creepiest incompetent campaign in American history might as well have been managed by Kid Gleason.) That Obama could be taken for a progressive, even in the beltway sense of the term, is a testament to the polish of his blank slate and the desperation of an orphaned Left anxious for a win, even if it means their loss. To whom the coming surge in Afghanistan, the likely deferral of a meaningful withdrawal from Iraq (one that might include private armies and troops that have had the “combat” redefined out of them), the appointment of Rahm Emanuel and other “moderates” will smell like…victory.

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49. marisacat - 30 November 2008: The thing that most pisses me offf about the entire obama drama (yes it is drama, of the worst kind, empty display) is the sheer unadulterated indecency of it.

And i am sick to death of Democrats and their sympathisers wallowing in assassination run-off. Esp with Halperin, for one, with an entry this am about his morning workout “like clockwork”.

God but it is tedious.

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50. mattes - 30 November 2008: Speaking of dk thugs, please don’t miss the fun:

Proof Of Kostapo’s PRIVATE communications
http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1495

Private Conversations of Kostapo (Part II)
http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1496

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51. marisacat - 30 November 2008: The Swiss approved by vote to continue what has been a 10 year project program of heroin maintenance for addicts. LOL But they would not legalise MJ.

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52. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: Bend Over…Stringing a few blurbs together..

From Duh WaPo:

Top Officers Eye Obama Era

As president-elect prepares to announce national security team, he also seeks to reassure military.

LOL. Obama is going to “Pacify” the likes of every ill fitting oral appliance in Cheney’s Realm, the perennial Powell-tools , the Barry McAffrey’s in waiting.
From Todays NYT on the former Drug Czar.
(LMAOx2- How’d THAT work out for us?)) :
One Man’s Military-Industrial-Media Complex

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53. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: GMAFB.”It’s Finally Official”.
Any Luck, the Repubs will use Youtube
during the confirmation hearings..

From Politico Clinton, Obama seal the deal

It’s finally official: Barack Obama will appear with Hillary Clinton in Chicago on Monday as he names her secretary of state.

Politico again, plus a little embellishment..

Latinos unhappy with Obama picks

In an Ideas piece, Martinez says Latinos hoped Richardson would head State. Richardson, in his avuncular way, simply Stated he would like to get Head.

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54. marisacat - 30 November 2008: People in charge are plenty plenty happy with ObRama.

I can’t imagine why the NYT (I dragged myself thru half of it during the night) went after the best known name of the armchair generals. eh. Unless Ob has a preferred group of armchairs. they wrote it up about as dully as they could.

Who knows. I can’t imagine McCaffrey budging an inch.

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55. marisacat - 30 November 2008: I am guessing, thru the years, that Richardson would just like to be his own grandfather. The white one…. with multiple families, south of the border down Mexico way.

So who’s for Labor and Ag. Next up. Transportation. hmm. The least of the children it seems.

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56. diane - 30 November 2008: BooHooHoo Man

A tad late?…what is time? kisses zeroing in on ya hon

sweet corn……pungent tomatoes…………….that sweet pine growing steadily to a place, that could be contorted………but nonetheless it will find its way………and it will be such a kind place……………………;0)………………………..I almost hate to post this …but I’ll take my chances….because life is so short….I mean you could spend forever in these times trying to get a message off……………………and questioning yourself,….when you ultimately know certain things to be true……..kindness ……mercy………..a certain horror…at blood being drawn.

But then again .i might have been mislead…….I wish I knew what to say there….all I can say is that I’d rather die than buy on to the mechanized reality we seem to longer hold in question…………I wish I could put my finger on it better….but I would be a liar to say I can, in the state I’m in,…somehow I know you understand that…………………………….

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57. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: The places I love lie in ruins. I am scared and very angry

My city of Mumbai has a reputation as a glittering, zestful, buzzing Mecca of the East, a cauldron of diverse cultures and nationalities. This tragedy has outraged every one of us living here. Some events in the life of a city, and country, change the future.

A group of brainwashed fanatics stormed into buildings that characterise the cosmopolitan nature of our city. It has left the whole of Mumbai paralysed and insecure. As I write, we don’t know when we leave home in the morning whether we will return alive. What kind of existence is this?

There are images that will haunt us forever – mutilated bodies, bloody streets and lobbies, frantic relatives, splintered glass, billowing smoke and heart-wrenching cries punctuated by gunfire and grenade blasts.

With the fires raging at the Taj Mahal hotel, the eerie silence at the Oberoi and the deafening sound of shots from Nariman House – it seems as if we must be watching a Hollywood film. But this horror is real. The sister of one of my closest friends was attending a wedding at the Taj. She sent a text message to her husband at 6am on Thursday morning, after the first night of fighting. By 3pm that day, he had lost contact with her.

These places have been a part of my life in the seven-and-a-half years that I have lived here. I have taken my nine-year-old daughter to eat at the Leopold cafe where the gunmen first opened fire. The magnificent Taj is where I celebrated New Year’s Eve with my husband three years ago. Its Wasabi restaurant, which has stunning views overlooking the Gateway of India, was where I was planning to throw him a surprise birthday party next week. The cosmopolitan heart of this city is destroyed and the hurt is going to go on for a long, long time.

Mumbai is traumatised. I want to ask how much more we are expected to take in the name of religious separatism and hatred. I want to ask our leaders: how long are you going to put us in the line of fire? How long are you going to sacrifice innocent lives? Why are the voices, so loud when asking for our votes, silent now?

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58. marisacat - 30 November 2008: I want to ask our leaders: how long are you going to put us in the line of fire? How long are you going to sacrifice innocent lives? Why are the voices, so loud when asking for our votes, silent now?

Well… that is the core issue.

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59. diane - 30 November 2008: after all,..we do get it ….there exists something life giving, and it has everthing to do with mercy and love……………

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60. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: LOL, it is fascinating, about the FSZ DFQ juicy revelations..

I need a quick primer for the time I wasn’t online much…

So Peeder closed Pff. Is FSZ his? Being another Soapblox platform, operated by a kosophile in Colorado, they really are Kos Adminosphere anyways, no? I fig’d it’s really the same honeypot. a pretty easily shared and swapped db on users and how far they’ll stray from the party line.
Pretty convenient for the petty…

That’s the whole thing about Reformist let alone Rev politics…
goin through the Telcos …
No shit “the Revolution” (LOL) isn’t going to be televised.

It’d be nice if this thing spilled over into a juicy expose, though, prolly will when some coupla nutballs behind screen names decompensate in RL.

For now, No takers in the MSM …

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61. marisacat - 30 November 2008: One thing seems to be emerging, the siege of Mumbai is being seen as a hideous success and thus will hve a thousand fathers. What unlucky luck.

[]Three years later [2006], another theoretician of Jihad, Sheikh Abu-Bakr Naji, proposed his new strategy. This suggests that low intensity war be extended to anywhere in the world with a significant Muslim presence. India, where Muslims account for more than 15 per cent of the population, and Bombay, where 25 per cent of the population is Muslim, are prime candidates for testing that theory.

Naji’s theories are spelled out in his book ‘Edarat al-Wahsh’ (Governance in the Wilderness). The idea is to render places not under “proper Islamic rule” into wildernesses in which no one is safe. The “infidel” and the “impious Muslim”, leaving their homes every morning, should be unsure whether they would return in the evening.

Naji recommends kidnappings, the holding of hostages, the use of women and children as human shields, exhibition beheadings, suicide bombings and countless gestures that make normal life impossible for the “infidel” and “impious Muslims”.

Whoever organised the “Invasion of Bombay” must have read Naji with care. For the operation amounted to smorgasbord of terror tactics served at the same banquet. Seizure of territory, holding of hostages, suicide attacks, regular military assaults, and exhibition killing were on show for more than 48 hours.

Islamists see the “Invasion of Bombay” as their victory. In their websites yesterday, many called it “Clear Victory” (Fath al-mobeen), a term used to designate the Prophet’s earliest victories. –snip–

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62. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 60

jack smirking something or other seems to be the blog owner for FSZ…

As I did nto follow Kos much the past two years most names don’t mean much to me… and while a fascinting little peak into dingy and disreputable people.. I am unsure what the big hoopla is over UGOG (stands for Usual Group of Grown-ups… LOL I sure don’t agree)… This is just what most of us dissidents, banned, dropouts, whatevers assumed was being done by email tree for years.

But sure, I would love to see it roil the waters. jsut for the hell of it.

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63. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: #59 diane, I get “it”, you get “it”, peeps is peeps….
“we” at large, not yet…

skepticism doesn’t preclude love or even ‘God’ or vice versa, IMHO, simply helps you look for the genuine article, to the extent it can be found…Here’s “hopin'”…with a healthy dose of scepticism as part of “it”….

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64. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: I just assume everything is an easily monitored public square.
How well, or Orwellian? Don’t know. Functionally its prolly Somewhere between the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight, and the mindblowing capabilities that cna be envisioned..

Kids are getting bombarded with pressure to link friends with similar social and political interests on networking sites. Hard to believe it could be moreso, but we are going to end up with an utterly neutered political set in years to come..

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65. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: I still LMAO thinking about Del Dumb in a Nun’s Habit
with his Dailykos Roll Call.

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66. diane - 30 November 2008: Mumbai…steeped in grapes but is it the Northwoods document that comes to mind…..the concept of murdering those the world at large make the assumption one is kin to (where Kennedy’s joint chiefs of staff conjured up the sick plot to take down US civilian planes in order to conjure up animosity towards, Castro?…..and not sayin at all ..that Castro was/is the end all be all…..) to stir up blood and gore…….who really knows…….at the end of the day…but certainly…strike me down if I’m wrong …it occured to me that the powers that be, may need a reason to drop bombs on folks (in Pakistan……) that are already committing suicide due to sheer hunger……………..to point the finger toward them, when the answer was perhaps a bit close to home?………….could we ever resolve this? how much blood will we spill? and when will it end?

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67. diane - 30 November 2008: well any who…goodnight sleeptight………….headin off to some hopeful respite after licken the day’s wounds as anyone else will likely be doing that finds the world we’re living in a bit fucked up.

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68. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: The Big Picture: Mumbai under attack

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69. marisacat - 30 November 2008: but we are going to end up with an utterly neutered political set in years to come..

yeah.. most stuff floating about seeks to regularize us. I probably made up a word there. Flattening us out. Seamlessly re-seaming (and reaming us) us to being one great glop.

LOL I just gritted my teeth every time an Ob member, whether Ob or the wif, prattled on about being like the Leave it to Beaver schlock.

Oh thank you dear leader. That SO works for me.

One of the worst moments was hearing a gay teacher call in to KGO last night, who was here working, inland, in Salinas when the Prop 6 Briggs Initiative came down in 77/78. It sought to stigmatize and fire gay teachers, for the old bugaboo, gay agenda and seduction of our pwecious children. Talked fairly clearly and simply about how Milk inspired him to fight back (Milk debated Briggs directly, up and down the state, had just finished, Briggs prop defeated, when he was killed). THEN compared “our dear leader” (no, really, he called Ob that) to Milk.

And believe me those killings that day were as dirty as could be. More assassination run-off… Democrats waiting, open mouthed…

OH GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK-that Ob is like anyone at all… but himself. And a practised pol.

***

ABC tonight is from Mumbai, story has strongly congealed…(it’s all Pakistan!) and is pushing that Somalia is being taken over by AQ.

Cue up the Pakistani PLan… and cue up Africom. Stat…. cue up the new bi racial multicultural pretzel.

not to worry! Stu Rothenberg says ”the Grown Ups Are in Charge”. (that means war… and then more war)

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70. bayprairie - 30 November 2008: I just assume everything is an easily monitored public square.

in a back office sense this is very much true. most of the blue state blogs, and most of the second gen kos-spinoffs are served up from dallas, last time i checked all running on the software platform, soapblox. remember the “awards” of free server space? knowing little about it im sure they’re separate databases on the same set of scaleable drive arrays, much lik3 bees cellularize their hives into little wax cubicles, all accessible by hive management.

one thing is for sure. today is living proof of all that many of us who post here have experienced, as well has have said indicates happens. anyone who thinks they’re private personal information is safe in the koswhack netroots and babyblogs is misinformed. for a while today we saw the face of how the sites are policed and managed. the fact that they’re completely covering it up and have deleted an entire blog assuredly at the urging of kos management proves the truth of that.

they’re nothing but a bunch of shilling liars, from kos and meteor blades on down.

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71. mattes - 30 November 2008: How many times has Markos said he is proud of the community moderation?

…how well it works.

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72. marisacat - 30 November 2008: You have to laugh… Bob Parry of Consortium News is conveniently way too late iwth this. Having diddled for months now. And thus aided and abetted what is presented to us as “change”.

http://www.truthout.org/113008A

[W]hat is clear is that after Ronald Reagan took office and sent his campaign chief William Casey over to run the CIA in 1981, Gates’s career took off. Casey, who also was implicated in the October Surprise controversy, elevated Gates to be the assistant director for intelligence analysis and then to be deputy CIA director.

Later, Gates was linked to both the Iran-Contra scandal, which involved the trading of arms for hostages with Iran, and the Iraqgate controversy, the clandestine military support given to Iraq’s Saddam Hussein during his eight-year war with Iran.

The Iran-Contra connection cost Gates his first shot to become CIA director in 1987, but President George H.W. Bush gave him another chance in 1991. Gates was helped by friends on the Democratic side of the aisle, most notably Sen. David Boren, Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, and Boren’s chief of staff, George Tenet.

In 1992-93, CIA Director Gates got another helping hand from Lee Hamilton regarding the October Surprise scandal, which Hamilton swept under a very lumpy rug. The Russian report was just the last of the bumps. …

[D]uring Campaign 2008, Gates got lucky again when Boren and Hamilton emerged as senior foreign policy advisers to Obama. They are now reportedly part of the transition contingent urging the President-elect to retain their old friend as Pentagon chief.

According to news reports, Gates’s reappointment is expected after Thanksgiving. Before then, however, the Obama foreign policy transition team might want to ask what information exists in Moscow’s intelligence files.

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73. NYCO - 30 November 2008: Sad news… Tanta of Calculated Risk has passed away.

I started reading CR about a year ago. While much of what she posted was Greek to me, I was appreciative of another female blogger REALLY making an impact on her field, and furthermore, doing it in an unfashionably erudite, wordy way (despite the complaints of some who liked the content-free quippery of the sort made famous by Atrios).

(sadly I had a feeling that we would be hearing an announcement about her passing soon.)

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74. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: I have been snorkeling around on the DramaSphere since those pieces from DavefromQueens went up…haven’t found much on MajorFlaw’s id, my bet is he’s a sock for an FP, but the vanity of trashablanca is captured here, he’s

the fat slob sitting with clammyc… …

and here in…shmoozing action with Jotter the tech guy…
not much of a surprise…got any dirt, data dude?

Oh, LOL. The fatty-livered shnoob…

has a truck, too
– more than Bumberstickers in plain view on that bumper,
ya bumpkin, bud.

Speakin of buds, I should call one of my buds who could hack into NORAD if he wanted. ..see just what kinda trashy dat old whitetrashy-ass hat got on his hard drive…

Creepy dude, Truck-as-Trophy-Wife, Low Rent Livin in Remote Area
…yeh, the profile pretty much writes itself….

Ah well, Nothin like Molotov cocktails for nightcaps..

LOL….( As disturbing a psychological window they are ) …
Those pieces from DFQ are about the best ownage I’ve seen online.

LOL, still….Who couldn’t resist “Save Page As” “Webpage COMPLETE” immediately upon seeing the link to, as Dave puts it, “The Dungeon”…

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75. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: I think I lost a post….

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76. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 73

Oh i am so sorry to hear that.. I only heard of CR in late summer… will go see what the obit says, thanks for posting that….

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77. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: Whoops! dare it is.

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78. bayprairie - 30 November 2008: sad about tanta. i have a special place in my heart for ovarian patients. i’ve had the pleasure of knowing a stage 4 survivor through volunteer network and had a dear friend who lost her law partner to it 3 or so years ago. its almost always asymptomatic and diagnosed at stage 3 or 4 and very very difficult to treat successfully.

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79. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 75

sorry! It slipped to the Mod file…

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80. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 78

well there was that horrific treatment they began to tout years ago… they basically nearly burn you alive (no exageration) with toxic treatments. If you make it you make it. I have not heard about it lately… and frankly have not searched for updates on it.

I am wondering if the long arc did not support the level of horror…

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81. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: I don’t think I ever stumbled across Ms. Dungey’s work at Calculated Risk in my travels. I wonder why the Times didn’t feel it necessary/proper to link to the actual pieces she wrote that are mentioned, rather than their own subject pages? The best tribute to a writer is to make it easier for people to find their work.

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82. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 74

hmm don’t view the pics linked to, if eating. All I can say of the picture of the truck, some people found a life in being the vague opposition, waiting to rise to power the past few years. And it all likely meant nothing.

Too bad.

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83. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: #82 No,no. That trash truck pulls up to the White House after Jan 20, they’re sure to wave him in with just a mention of his status on ‘kos..LOL

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84. marisacat - 30 November 2008: 81

very true madman.. her stuff is accessible at the click of the old mouse. They should have linked.

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85. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: So trashy is a total fuckin whack,
condo is a perv run out of medicine for sexually assaulting a patient,
oh this is MSM material…hmmmm

Why do I get the feeling that, Just for fun, Sirota is gonna write
one more diary beginning with
“Tonight I’ll be appearing on to discuss…”

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86. marisacat - 30 November 2008: yuup

Unfortunately, it’s not just a Web site… (5.40 / 5)

…What you have now is the dysfunctional owner of a dysfunctional Web site (Kos) being lionized by the mainstream media as the leader of the “netroots,” when in fact his actions have done much to destroy that movement by turning it into nothing more than an outlet for sociopaths like MajorFlaw, bottles, MBNYC, etc.

by: StupidAsshole @ Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 19:37:40 PM CST
[ Parent ]

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87. Hair Club for Men - 30 November 2008: (briefly delurking here because I don’t feel like registering at FSZ)

I’ve never had any interaction with Dave From Queens, but I would like to apologize to Sabrina and “Susan Something.”

I should have registered at FSZ and defended them when I saw them being driven off the site for posting about “Kos Meta”.

I’ve been “online” since the mid 1990s and have very rarely made much of an effort to stay anonymous.

But what I read at the link to that “Ugog” Soapblox site was genuinely disturbing. It’s not just one half of a “flame war” and it’s not just gossip. It’s not “just the internet.”

It’s a well-organized criminal conspiracy to stalk and harass people with whom they have political or personal differences online.

And it’s not just a well-organized criminal conspiracy to stalk and harass people with whom they have political or personal differences online.

What they’re doing has the approval of the owner and moderators of a major liberal Democratic website lionized by the mainstream media and given approval by any of Democratic politicians (who find the site convenient for raising money) .

That, in the end, is what makes it different from the kind of “flame wars” you used to see on Usenet. The Rec.Skiing.Alpine flame war got even uglier and exploded into real life. But Usenet is a decentralized, non-commercial , anarchistic network of servers not connected to any political party, fundraising or moneymaking scheme.

Sabrina used to talk about bringing in someone like Greg Palast to investigate what was going on at the Daily Kos. It turns out they didn’t need him.

(going back into lurk mode)

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88. marisacat - 30 November 2008: well, the online system, once it was no longer alt. usenet, etc, and attracted the Democratic party with goals tied to elections (and propping up very small shits like Kos) went full on thug. I date it to summer of 2003 when small time dirty tricks shits like DHinMI turned up, and Kos quickly glommed onto them. Whether having been told to or recognising the odor, hardly matters.

IMO what you and others are just now seeing at UGOG (what a dumb name, Usual Group of Grown Ups, so romper room) is what many of us assumed (with some seat of the pants smarts) was in email trees. For years.

Good luck pushing “criminal”. I really doubt it would work. Interesting to watch tho. Hope someone tries.

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89. marisacat - 30 November 2008: Don’t make me laugh too hard now

Step 3 – If politician doesn’t distance self from Kos, then politician gets asked questions about it publicly with copies of what happened (on one sheet of paper) given to media outlets. Then we as Democrats, on ethical grounds, work to defeat this Democrat while supporting the other 98% of Democrats running for office.

key: while still voting for 98% of all other Democrats.

A dead in the water solution, if dfq thinks that is direct action… sorry to be blunt.

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90. bayprairie - 30 November 2008: IMO what you and others are just now seeing at UGOG (what a dumb name, Usual Group of Grown Ups, so romper room) is what many of us assumed (with some seat of the pants smarts) was in email trees. For years.

yes. i would think that for many who comment here this is really only news in the detail. just a different groups of thugs with the same M.O.

imagine what must be going on higher up above this particular group of amateur clowns.

no one’s personal information is safe at daily kos unless one toes the partay line. pass that around. the inaction of the adminstrators regarding this matter, and i am sure there will be little to none, will be proof.

89.

dave needs to make like sirota and get a clue about what that site is. dkos management doesn’t care a whit and the democratic party damn sure doesn’t.

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91. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 November 2008: i would think that for many who comment here this is really only news in the detail. just a different groups of thugs with the same M.O.

Different tactics, same overall strategy and goals: quiet and drive off dissent and independent thought.

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92. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: LOL. kudos To SA over at FSZ:
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{SA noting–}

Here’s something potentially interesting… (0.00 / 0)
http://ugog.soapblox.net/showC…
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{MajorFlaw now,in “the Dungeoun”—}

Last night I was sent a heads up: (4.00 / 2)

Hey, in case you’re interested, “WattleBreakfast” is “Mimzy” over at the sewer 2.

{ Snip}

WB has a history of 911CT at dkos, hatred of cat photos and Bouwerie Boy. In fact it was” Mimzy” who suggested BB for THE LIST — for calling he/she on the 911CT at Dkos.
http://www.dailykos.com/commen…

by: ugog @ Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 07:26:51 AM CST

Hatred of CAT PHOTOS?!?

Oh my fuckin Lord! I just about pissed myself laughin!.
What a bunch a fuckin NUTZ.

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93. BooHooHooMan - 30 November 2008: ‘nother funny thing: They RATE each other in MF’s Treehouse.

Last night I was sent a heads up: (4.00 / 2)…

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94. marisacat - 30 November 2008: They RATE each other in MF’s Treehouse.

I noticed that.

Somehow i landed on a thread (must be recent, I did not poke around much) of ugog, trashablanca (see photos posted above by BHHM) sitting around laughing at a photo of what I guess is dfq. I mean it looks like a dfq personage.

If I looked like trashablanca I’d be very careful who I laughed at.

Apparently, ugog is an atty… as is, I think, dfq.

So, could they sue each other and get it over with?

Just saying.

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95. BooHooHooMan - 1 December 2008: Different tactics, same overall strategy and goals: quiet and drive off dissent and independent thought.

So True. The independent thought. Mostly their own.

You think they’d ever bother to sip but a jigger of your cite above?

From your #48:

….That Obama could be taken for a progressive, even in the beltway sense of the term, is a testament to the polish of his blank slate and the desperation of an orphaned Left anxious for a win, even if it means their loss. To whom the coming surge in Afghanistan, the likely deferral of a meaningful withdrawal from Iraq (one that might include private armies and troops that have had the “combat” redefined out of them), the appointment of Rahm Emanuel and other “moderates” will smell like…victory.

I suppose most people are like me in that they can’t write their way out of a paper bag..(given to, LOL, suppositions, cliched “paper bag” metaphors, redundancy, and lest I forget , belaboring the point- LOL)

But FFS, people can read can’t they?
Have they no conscience? No awareness?
Of matters, or more particularly, themselves?
Orphans of reason?
Not so much as character, I think.
That’s why the whole “Values” Con resonated, (still does) with “moderates”, because it’s TRUE, the character deficit…though not in the Randian, Shell Shocked Reagan EraBasking that most, truth be known, gave in to…

Unfortunately the character deficit is never looked at in the mirror, merely displaced , mis-nomered as “Realism”, and projected on to Teh UnReasonable Gay, Teh Uppities, Teh Commie, Teh Insubordinate Foreigners who didn’t get the memo, Teh Dreamers…

God forbid they ever look at their own ~~sold out~~ bought – in souls..
So it’s some bizzaro Purge and Pennance ritual to arrive at
I’m® Okay Land, I’m® Gonna Make It…
Fittingly, perhaps ( all too congruently to be sure)
they never will…not even close…
Unfortunately , following this head first plunge,
the dead will bury the living …

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96. marisacat - 1 December 2008: That’s why the whole “Values” Con resonated,

sadly it resonated with lots of people… the masses, of all sorts and types, prattle “values”.

I’d rather have OPINIONS… 😉

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97. BooHooHooMan - 1 December 2008: It’s not lost on me, the “Purity Troll” criticism leveled at dissent screeds, that they too can be as much effort at displacement and projection down the road to I’m® Okay Land. Well, I’m most assuredly not “Okay”, living two plus generations now in a feckless, infectious PTSD Country.

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98. BooHooHooMan - 1 December 2008: I’m looking for a ledge. LOL. A little mordant humor.

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99. BooHooHooMan - 1 December 2008: Oh and a fiberglass Christmas Tree.
That’s all the stuff I need.

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100. marisacat - 1 December 2008: Don’t get a flocked tree.. is all I can say. The recyclers won’t pick them up… (I figure if it is green fibreglass they still jsut grab it)…

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101. marisacat - 1 December 2008: gnu thred……

LINK

………… 8) …………..

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102. bayprairie - 1 December 2008: I’m looking for a ledge. LOL. A little mordant humor.

one of the outstanding myths of the bayprairie is that the Karankawa Indians, (who were most likely caribe in descent, and who lived on Padre island and the texas inland bay seashore) realized in the 1850s that their time on the earth was nearing an end and in response all committed suicide as a group. The myth holds that they did not want to be enslaved, or converted to Christianity, and choose death by wading into the gulf waters en masse and willfully drowning.

history says this is a myth. i’ve always chosen to bleieve the opposite, after all the myth is well-documented and the trauma is easily understandable.

every people needs a ledge.

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