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Light from above… 20 December 2008

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The aurora borealis, or Northern Lights, shine over the town of Stedman east of Fayetteville, N.C [Picture: AP]

One of nine pictures of the Aurora Borealis, Northern Lights from a gallery at the Telegraph

W/R/T Pappas (raised in classic disjointed fashion, by me, in the previous thread):

That’s a far cry from what Pappas said about Kennedy, in part:

“Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few.”

When reached in her Albany office, Pappas said she was “inundated” with calls from reporters and would get back to me.

I like it anytime, for what ever reason, someone breaks out of the locked classroom and, even if babbling and feverish, just speaks.

He’s an old goat, the sooner he dies the better and the Kennedys are clearly attempting (probably successfully) to buy the junior senate seat from NYS… It sounds, but I can only guess, that the amounts of monies promised for her self funded run(s) will release enough bucks back to the party, that people will fall in line.  If the voters do too, it’s a lock.

But I am far away and I just guess…

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1. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2008

Re Teddy Kennedy

Killed a girl. AND. JUST. WALKED. AWAY.
and then, talk about trading on the memory of dead relatives.
Zionists have nothing on Ted Kennedy. They are One.

2. marisacat - 20 December 2008

Conor Cruise O’Brien has died…

Once described by the social critic Christopher Hitchens as “an internationalist, a wit, a polymath and a provocateur,” Mr. O’Brien was a rare combination of scholar and public servant who applied his erudition and stylish pen to a long list of causes, some hopeless, others made less so by his combative reasoning. When called upon, he would put down his pen and enter the fray, more often than not emerging bruised and bloodied.

As a diplomat, he helped chart Ireland’s course as an independent, anticolonialist voice at the United Nations and played a critical role in the United Nations intervention in Congo in 1961. As vice chancellor of the University of Ghana in the early 1960s, he fell out with the dictator Kwame Nkrumah over the question of academic freedom, and while teaching at New York University later that decade, he took part in an antiwar demonstration that led to his arrest. … snip…

3. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2008

Uh oh. The D word. Article follows in Hebrew.

Insuring Against a Worse Wreck

COLUMN | With depression now a genuine risk,
the U.S. has wisely put practicality ahead of ideology.

Steven Pearlstein

Yeh “wisely” my ass, Perlstein.

Translation: Cast off the Ideology of Laws and their Enforcement that would have thousands of the Jewish luminaries of Finance Law and Government in PRISON.

4. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2008

2 Obrien –

seems like some type of retainer to Western Intelligence Services as I suspect Hitchens is

5. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2008

tho both Obrien and Hitchens have their points…

from NYT review of PASSION & CUNNING: Essays on Nationalism, Terrorism and Revolution

Of Norman Podhoretz: ”A writer . . . who is passionately interested in politics, without knowing much about them.”

Of course, Mr. O’Brien is not without passion, and few subjects excite him more than Pope John Paul II, of whom he says: ”The Rome Orwell knew, and did not love, is back with us.” Mr. O’Brien would not claim infallibility; that he is insightful and a pleasure to read is enough.

two for two, there.

And On the note of dead and dying Irish guys, I’m out…

6. marisacat - 20 December 2008

LOL According to SMBIVA, there is room for us all under Obama’s bus…

7. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

One of our brand-new state senators: Queens City Councilman Hiram Monserrate arrested on domestic assault charge

Hot-tempered city councilman Hiram Monserrate was accused of slashing his girlfriend’s face with broken glass Friday, leaving her with 20 stitches and a black eye.

::snip::

The city councilman claimed the injuries were accidental. “I brought her a glass of water, I leaned over and tripped,” according to a statement read in court.

Kessler said Monserrate’s girlfriend, Karla Giraldo, 29, first told hospital staff he broke a glass in his hand during a heated argument and stabbed her in the face with the shards. She later changed her story and said it was an accident.

“She doesn’t want him to go to jail,” Kessler said, adding that police found blood-soaked towels and broken glass in Monserrate’s apartment. “She doesn’t want protection.”

::snip::

Monserrate and Giraldo spent Thursday night with Caroline Kennedy and other luminaries at the Queens Museum of Art for the Queens Democratic Party’s holiday dinner.

They argued afterward, possibly because a guest at the party confused Giraldo with another of Monserrate’s girlfriends, one law enforcement source said.

The fight turned violent in Monserrate’s Elmhurst condo about 1 a.m., when he broke a drinking glass in his right hand and struck her – almost taking out her left eye, Queens District Attorney Richard Brown said.

And the beat goes on. . . .

8. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

Hat tip to The Albany Project for the link to the Daily News update . . . I went there after seeing a less-detailed item on AP at Yahoo.

9. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

Oh yeah one more thing. Monserrate is an ex-cop.

10. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

Monserrate lives a few blocks from the trauma room at the city-run Elmhurst Hospital Center. But sources said he drove Giraldo 14 miles to Long Island Jewish Medical Center on the Nassau County line for treatment – and tried to get her to concoct an innocent explanation on the way.

A doctor interviewed Giraldo privately, then summoned the NYPD at 4:50 a.m., police sources said. Officers arrested Monserrate at the hospital.

The arrest meant Monserrate couldn’t make his own holiday party at a substance abuse treatment center in Corona last night.

Dude was already under investigation for some ties to defunct non-profit, and

He was elected to the Senate last month after he won the backing of Queens Democrats over previous Sen. John Sabini, who pleaded guilty to drunken driving and was later picked to run the state racing and wagering board.

And people wonder why citizens are cynical?

11. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

Also at the Albany Project: What You Don’t Know About Caroline Kennedy and Bloomberg, which references some Wayne Barrett reporting at the Village Voice.

12. NYCee - 20 December 2008

Hey… we’ve got cherries on ice (or snow) here too.

Obama doesnt surprise me with his disgusting pick of Warren for the invocation, nor of this Arne Duncan (business model for schools) character, or so many others, but he does disgust me. Someone who read his book (Reves de Pere Obama) told me that his father was described as strict, in the old school authoritarian mold. I see that tendency toward conservatism in him. Note his utterly devoid-of-feeling comment (in defense of the Warren pick) that he has always been a “fierce” advocate for GBLT rights, etc. Has a proclamation of one’s fierceness ever been made with such total lack of fierceness? It isn’t that Obama makes an effort to stretch to the right in a show of “tolerance” – it is that he appears to naturally lean in that direction, which seems much more his comfort zone. It often seems Path Left is much more a stretch, or trying effort, for him.

What is truly astounding is the pretzel twisting that goes on to defend his appointments and choices. Some idiot or other in Punditry Central (cant recall who) managed to knit yet another synthetic silver lining for this latest Obama cloud. Via Obama’s brilliant genius, the Warren pick gifts those on the left with a special, privileged teachable moment. If I understand it correctly, it goes like this: if we would just lend our ears without rancor, as Warren does his inaugural thing, we would be handed the opportunity to finally arrive at the holy zenith of tolerance, beyond our wildest dreams of actualization. Yes, Warren was coming, at long last, to get the Left to the tolerance mountain top.

Well, it takes one already on the mountain top (Helloooo Obaaaaama!) to know one on the mountain top, no?

Fashioning these bizarre silver linings is fast becoming a cottage industry these days.

13. NYCee - 20 December 2008

That is a great cartoon as SMBIVA.

14. catnip - 20 December 2008

12. Fashioning these bizarre silver linings is fast becoming a cottage industry these days.

Round and round it goes. He’s the messiah, the new Jeebus, the sage – FAR wiser than any of his followers who will, hopefully experience, an epiphany (a spiritual big “O”) just by having a brush with such astounding greatness.

And in the end, if you don’t get him, you’re racist. So there.

We’ll be at this place many many times during the next 4 years.

Forgive them. They know not what they do…

15. catnip - 20 December 2008

Speaking of northern lites, when I was living in the country, one nite the whole sky turned a deep red. It was really bizarre – not like any northern lites I’d ever seen before. The local news radio station announced that several people had called in noting what they saw. No doubt some of them thought it was armageddon time. It really was something to see.

16. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Round and round it goes. He’s the messiah, the new Jeebus, the sage – FAR wiser than any of his followers who will, hopefully experience, an epiphany (a spiritual big “O”) just by having a brush with such astounding greatness.

And in the end, if you don’t get him, you’re racist. So there.

As bad as Obama’s cabinet picks are, I haven’t heard one person outside of Rush Limbaugh’s imagination make this argument.

I think it would be easier to critique him if:

1.) There were some sort of alternative list of cabinet appointees. OK. Arne Duncan sucks. Who would we put in his place?

2.) The strawmen were retired permenantly.

17. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008
18. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Someone who read his book (Reves de Pere Obama) told me that his father was described as strict, in the old school authoritarian mold. I see that tendency toward conservatism in him.

It isn’t that Obama makes an effort to stretch to the right in a show of “tolerance” – it is that he appears to naturally lean in that direction, which seems much more his comfort zone. It often seems Path Left is much more a stretch, or trying effort, for him.

I don’t see a tendency towards conservativism so much as I see a tendency to want to please.

In Bill Clinton’s case, Clinton wanted to please EVERYBODY.

In Obama’s case, it seems he only wants to please the right.

It almost feels as if he internalized the values you need to climb the social/class ladder and never got rid of them. But since he was basically raised by his mother, I don’t see how you could explain this away by what his father was like.

He almost seems to be operating under the assumptions of 2003 and 2004, before Bush’s presidency crashed and before the post 9/11 conservatism fell apart, that if he stands up to the right at any time, he’s going to be labeled “unAmerican.”

19. catnip - 20 December 2008

16. 1.) There were some sort of alternative list of cabinet appointees. OK. Arne Duncan sucks. Who would we put in his place?

You can’t criticize someone without having some alternative for comparison? That doesn’t make sense to me and it’s unnecessary. It’s enough to look at someone’s qualifications or lack thereof to make a judgment, n’est-ce pas?

2.) The strawmen were retired permenantly.

That was my point.

20. catnip - 20 December 2008

18. But since he was basically raised by his mother, I don’t see how you could explain this away by what his father was like.

I (mainly) raised my daughter as a single parent who rarely saw her father during her formative years (his choice) and, believe me, she definitely had some of his major personality characteristics back then, regardless.

21. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

<i.You can’t criticize someone without having some alternative for comparison?

Of course you can. But you tend to lose politically when you do it. In fact, the “left” complaining about his cabinet picks is exactly what Obama wants. The Rick Warren pick was at least partly a troll. He wanted to see how much he could make the “left” complain so he could seperate himself from the “left”.

Hillary on the other hand, had a whole, long, well vetted list of people she wanted Obama to appoint to his cabinet. And she got most of them in. I’m not saying that anybody on the “left” has the same clout as the Clintons do. But why NOT put together a list of people some fantasy president (eg Nader or Kucinich) would pick (eg Michael Hudson).

That was my point.

There’s a huge difference between attacking Obama and making broad brush attacks on anyone and anyone who ever went to a rally or gross generalizations about the “liberal media”.

The whole image of starry eyed brainwashed Obama supporters comes from the right. It actually takes the focus OFF Obama.

In fact, I’d speculate the right really doesn’t have anything against Obama. The right just loves power in general. But the right HATES the idea that the mass of people who did support Obama could be turned in a more populist direction.

Of course, any link to any genuine Obama supporter who has referred to him as the “messiah” would be interesting to see.

22. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

I (mainly) raised my daughter as a single parent who rarely saw her father during her formative years (his choice) and, believe me, she definitely had some of his major personality characteristics back then, regardless.

I’m getting into treacherous territory here (especially when it’s the internet and we don’t always phrase carefully) but is it possible that Obama’s not having had a strong father figure to rebel against has given him both his ability to rise quickly into the ruling class AND given him what seems to be a real desire to please strong authoritarian father figures?

In other words, is Rick Warren the daddy he never had?

23. marisacat - 20 December 2008

1.) There were some sort of alternative list of cabinet appointees. OK. Arne Duncan sucks. Who would we put in his place?

Darling-Hammond. (Or Hammond-Darling) A woman. She was the most often mentioned name of an actual educator. I mean, one thing is clear… Duncan is just corporate jack shit.

LOL BTW, when I was listneing to Gladwell on with Rose last night, he also was using his new book to sell a line of charter schools… “Kip Schools”. The day goes from 7am to 6 pm and also Sat am. Which could be good or bad, on its face is meaningless….

So slick it all is. All intertwined.

**

As for his father, Obster sr, basically an asshole. He had two offers when he left Hawai’i… one to the New School which was enough money and support to bring his wife and son with him. Noooooo he took the smaller financial package to Harvard and lit out.

Papers relating to emerging post colonial Africa are out here in the West… (might be Stanford, I forget) and a slew of the father’s writings are there. He certainly worked (from what I have read of summaries of the writings) within the frame work of a social/socialist model for Kenya… but was considered a moderate. At least in that. Of course dying young, drunk as a skunk wrappped around a tree is not moderate. But was also quite common in emerging Kenya. For young bureaucrats on the raods coming home from the capital.

24. NYCee - 20 December 2008

I cannot say for sure if it is a genetic predisposition, HCfM. I just find it to be a trait in him, and heard it was a trait of his father, too. Maybe he subconsciously nurtured that side to be closer to his absentee father, having seen and felt it in him, and having heard about it in stories about his him. Maybe it is genetic. Maybe it is just coincidence. Just comes to mind, the association, since I heard that in the book. Obama often comes across, to me, like the unquestionable Father Knows Best.

25. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

one to the New School

Speaking of which, Kerry seems to be on his way out.

http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2008/12/102335.html

26. marisacat - 20 December 2008

22

I have said over and over he constantly looks for white daddy. It gets old.

He had a father figure, his grandfather.

Also on Duncan, he also picked him as they are friends, imo. And it fit with paying off connections in Chicago.. antoher point.

He is jsut so mediocre (Obster). What a fiction the Democrats spun in this run. And Ob too with his Jesus candy wrapping. Sermonising and so on.

27. marisacat - 20 December 2008

25

well his going there was a big ”save”. Stuff was start to fray for him back at the time of the appointment.

Bad fit, bad choice. Time ran out. My take anyway…

28. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Obama often comes across, to me, like the unquestionable Father Knows Best.

It looks more like a combination of factors

1.) The system is designed to weed out anybody not conservative.

2.) Obama seems predisposed to please whoever’s in power.

3.) If he seemed fairly progressive at fist it might just be because he was. He had to please the establishment in Hyde Park then Durbin and the Illinois Democrats. Then when Hillary then McCain ran the whole “he’s a Muslim” routine, he didn’t have enough of a center to come out of it without “adjusting himself” to the right.

29. marisacat - 20 December 2008

The whole image of starry eyed brainwashed Obama supporters comes from the right. It actually takes the focus OFF Obama.

Oh please. it comes from reality.

30. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

I have said over and over he constantly looks for white daddy. It gets old.

Yeah. I’d have to admit that my early impression of him is that he’s a lot worse tempermentally then Clinton was.

Clinton was more the backslapping frat boy who pretty much liked everybody and wanted to please everybody.

Obama’s more the straight A nerd who sucks up to the teacher.

31. marisacat - 20 December 2008

28

“3”

If yuo read about his years in Springfield, he was part of the machine… and delivered votes in line with the machine. No jesusing and no sermonising. The rest was working within the frame work of Hyde Part. Jsut like being at TUCC and sucking up to that crowd. The scene.

32. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Oh please. it comes from reality.

Well, let’s assume for a moment that it does come from reality, that Obama’s supporters are all the starry eyed idiot liberals Rush Limbaugh believes they are.

If Obama’s “base” is really made up of brainwashed zombies, then isn’t Obama doing the right thing by moving away from them and moving towards George Bush’s base?

I really don’t see how you can draw any other conclusion.

Obama used the dumb college kids and liberal activists to get into power. Now, thank God, he’s able to dump them and align himself with “sensible” people like Rick Warren.

33. marisacat - 20 December 2008

Obama often comes across, to me, like the unquestionable Father Knows Best.

Reading his actual words, I find him to be an authoritarian. And a disciplinarian. And pleased to be unpleasnat about it.

You had to read a lot to find it.. and read longer articles to the end, but he did not mind being an asshole to voters who came to the smaller fora on the campaign trail. Nasty in fact (IMO). Even when people were distressed and weeping. But kept short in the format. AND UNDERREPORTED. Nor did he mind playign stupid games with the press. Avoiding them, being high handed, close to nasty. Eben the NYT reported on one of the worst instances with the press, back in spring/summer… around the time that issues of Rezko got critical.

The thing that struck me with all the instances that managed to get reported was how less than adult it all was. His handlers for the most part ketp it buttoned up and most of hte media played along. But even they got irritated at times.

It is not going to be a nice or decent 4 years.

34. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

It is not going to be a nice or decent 4 years.

And yet (finding silver lining) students at the New School (many of whom probably voted for Obama) have come close to driving Kerry out.

There was an umpermitted march last night from Tompkins Square to the New School. And it’s not only cold as hell here the snow is so hard and thick you risk cutting yourself up if you slip.

What’s going to happen in the Spring. Why COULDN’T there be a populist uprising here the way you’re seeing in Greece?

35. marisacat - 20 December 2008

If Obama’s “base” is really made up of brainwashed zombies, then isn’t Obama doing the right thing by moving away from them and moving towards George Bush’s base?

believe me I don’t care about Ob’s base. A lot of fucking sold, dumb as dead rabbits white idiots… buying a pet offered to them by the Democrats.

Wehre the youth are, I have no idea. I cannot imagine being in my twenties and thirties and growing up under Reagan Reagan Bush 1 Clinton Clinton Bush 2 Bush 2.

I am mindful I grew up under first, post war, the 50s, but in San Francisco, then Civil Rights, the assassination era , disruption on the campuses, anti war era and the massive legislation of the 60s and even (to some extent) the 70s. So very different. EVERYTHING I heard was different from what people have heard under post 70s.

36. marisacat - 20 December 2008

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And yet (finding silver lining) students at the New School (many of whom probably voted for Obama) have come close to driving Kerry out.

Well tis not like there is an absence of push back on the campuses. Over many issues, from treatmenty and pay of custodial staff (for years) to all manner of issues. Out here at Santa Cruz there haave been demonstrations over what a new Dean was paid and expensive extra additions to the residence for her pets. Perfect right imo… esp as salaries and costs to students have been rising. Just one instance.

Much of it unreported. KerrEY is a real asshole. And not fully sane imo. Talka bout high handed and authoriatarian… I am not surprised it came to this. From what I have read it is not only students at TNS.

37. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Wehre the youth are, I have no idea.

Well one thing I think people rarely take into account is just how expensive it is to go to a university now.

You can’t just take a few years off, then jump back in and get tenure after it’s all over.

You’re going to graduate (if you graduate at all) deeply in debt right into a horrible job market.

And the idea of being a serious activist on the left is actually pretty scary. You just assume you’re going to do serious jail time if you do anything more than just march behind police barricades or go to an Obama or Save Darfur rally.

I think you do need some kind of mass explosion with mass numbers to work, to the point where the cops and the government just can’t put everybody in jail.

38. catnip - 20 December 2008

21. But why NOT put together a list of people some fantasy president (eg Nader or Kucinich) would pick (eg Michael Hudson).

Because that’s depressing? Just a thought.

Of course, any link to any genuine Obama supporter who has referred to him as the “messiah” would be interesting to see.

Head over to dkos and read the disappointment since the Warren pick. You’ll find many disgruntled apostles. And yes, some of them even admit to exalting him to ridiculous heights.

As for Obamalama (according to you) working so hard to piss off the left, what are you implying? That once he’s prez he’ll suddenly become Kucinich? He’s conservative by my standards. That’s why he doesn’t have any problem moving rightward and claiming that he’s, therefore, everybody’s president.

39. marisacat - 20 December 2008

esp as salaries and costs to students have been rising. Just one instance.

I meant salaries of teachers and TAs have been an issue – nto that they were raised… costs to students have been going up..

40. NYCee - 20 December 2008

Kerrey is horrendous. He is so obviously twisted in his war mongering. Etcetera. Such a weird fit for that school. Looks like the New School students have had it. Taking action, occupying building… good on them.

First I heard of this. I have a bum foot, so havent gotten out and about much lately, but the New School is a stone’s throw from my home zone’s subway station, Union Square, which I use daily. Just going straight home though lately, due to bad weather and foot.

41. marisacat - 20 December 2008

As for Obama messiah stuff (whoever upthread thinks it does not exist) go to the website that collects it.. I have pulled quotes from there, done posts on it.

htto://www.obamamessiah.org [iirc]

I cannot believe someone does not know what loons and idiots have been writing about Obama…

42. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

htto://www.obamamessiah.org

Site’s gone. It’s now a parked domain with a few ads for Obama merchandise on it.

43. catnip - 20 December 2008

37. Well one thing I think people rarely take into account is just how expensive it is to go to a university now.

Which “people”? The Under-rocks Dwellers?

44. marisacat - 20 December 2008

40

hi! Sorry to hear fo the foot, hope it gets better, esp with winter here now… how is kitty?

45. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Another parked domain at “com” and a sort of bizarre Christian zionist site at “net’.

46. NYCee - 20 December 2008

#23

Re his dad and his socialist framework, yeah, I can see that he’d write on that, on different track. Im speaking about his one on one behavior, father to son. He wasnt all that tolerant. It was like he just showed up after years of absence and expected to snap his fingers and have his little boy, Barack, obey, even if the demand was unreasonable.

47. catnip - 20 December 2008

40. What happened to your foot?

48. marisacat - 20 December 2008

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

Enjoy!

First up and new since I was last there:

Saturday, November 29, 2008

“No one saw him coming … like Jesus being born in a manger”

EAST POINT, Ga.—The day after Barack Obama was elected president, Larry Younginer knelt in front of the congregants at his suburban Atlanta church and offered a prayer of thanks.

“Lord, we have again come to you in prayer, and you have heard our cries from heaven, and you have sent us again from the state called Illinois, a man called Barack to heal our land,” said Younginer, a 62-year-old retired information systems worker at Coca Cola in Atlanta. “We pray that you will build a hedge around him that will protect him from those who would do him harm.”

Younginer, like many others, is convinced that Obama was destined to be president. The mere fact that he won the presidency against the odds has caused some Christians, particularly African-Americans, to see the hand of God in his victory after so many years of struggle.

[…]
[Lawrence Carter, dean of the Martin Luther King Jr. International Chapel] said many people look for a sign from God when times are turbulent. And, he said, there are many elements to Obama’s win in which Christians can find spiritual significance.

“It is powerful and significant on a spiritual level that there is the emergence of Barack Obama 40 years after the passing of Dr. King,” said Carter. “No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don’t expect, like Jesus being born in a manger.”

Some see God’s will in Obama win, by Dahleen Glanton. Chicago Tribune November 29, 2008.

49. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Which “people”? The Under-rocks Dwellers?

Oh. So your unreferenced generalizations are OK and mine suck :)

I’m just going by personal experience with people I know who actually try to organize college aged kids into the anti-war movement. A lot of them (and once again I don’t know everybody) never seem to take into account the obvious reason why college kids are more conservative.

DEBT

50. catnip - 20 December 2008

49. Oh. So your unreferenced generalizations are OK and mine suck

Now you’re catching on! :8

why college kids are more conservative.

DEBT

Yeah. I’m not buying that argument. Kids have moved more to the right/into conservative territory (in general, from my personal experience) since the 80s (in the US and Canada). “Debt” is not the reason.

51. marisacat - 20 December 2008

46

The father was an ass. No question… and socialism was the order of the day in Kenya. So naturally he’d write about it. I am not creidting the father with anything.

The GRANDFATHER [Obama] felt his son had sullied the family by conceiving a child with a white woman, meaning the Hawai’ian instance. There is another white wife later, btw.. Think in a letter he used “poisoned our blood” (in the archives at Chicago Trib as I recall) No lack of rigidity there. He did soften after the baby was born, also at Chic Trib.

52. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Well let’s take one of the references.

http://www.freeliberal.com/archives/003418.html

This guy is AGAINST the whole concept of Plato’s “philospher king” and is using Obama as a reason to reject it.

It’s an attack on Obama.

Last week, Sally wouldn’t believe my incontrovertible evidence that Plato was a (bad) libertarian. So this week I shall attempt to please by trying another approach:

He’s saying the exact same thing you do. That Obama is an authoritarian.

53. marisacat - 20 December 2008

More from ObMEss:

“Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama.”

— Dinesh Sharma

“We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra.”

— Chicago] Sun-Times

“A Lightworker — An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being”

— Mark Morford

“What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history”

— Jesse Jackson, Jr.

“This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

— Barack Obama

“Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?”

— Daily Kos

“He communicates God-like energy…”

— Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

“Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul”

— Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times

“I’ll do whatever he says to do. I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.”

— Halle Berry

“A quantum leap in American consciousness”

— Deepak Chopra
“He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century.”

— Gary Hart

“Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He’s our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence.”

— Eve Konstantine

54. catnip - 20 December 2008

I could be wrong (which almost never happens ;)) but it would seem to me that anyone who rises to lead a country would have to have an authoritarian streak. He’s the New Decider.

55. catnip - 20 December 2008

53. Case closed.

56. marisacat - 20 December 2008

More ObMess:

“This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament.” | “I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often. No, seriously. It’s a dramatic event.”

— Chris Matthews

“[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time.”

— Toni Morrison

“Obama’s finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don’t even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves.”

— Ezra Klein

“Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind.”

— Gerald Campbell

“We’re here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth.”

— Oprah Winfrey

“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan.”

— Bill Rush

ALL of this stuff has been around. The originals, from masses of people… In news papers, at sites, at blogs. If anyone missed it they were not reading.

And i have many times referenced Pelosi, at a three tier fundraiser here this past summer (think it was) intro Obster as “Sent to us by God”.

Anyone missing this shit, it was willful.

57. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

Footnote on the NYS senatorial pick, and something I totally forgot. From the NYT’s Friday item, Kennedy Brand Leaves Cuomo Feeling Stymied.

Watch out – there’s yet ANOTHER Kerry in the mix!

Mr. Cuomo has faced another difficulty as this drama has unfolded: He went through an especially messy divorce five years ago from Kerry Kennedy, a cousin of Caroline’s, and his ex-wife has been outspoken and visible in backing Ms. Kennedy’s bid.

Asked about Ms. Kennedy’s qualifications this week, he said he had “a very high opinion of Caroline Kennedy, I’ve known her a long time.”

58. marisacat - 20 December 2008

54

well I agree… only some sorts will rise to lead. BUT his problem imo is that there si a big petty and perverse streak in it. So many quotes from him about how smart, smarter than anyone, how perfect, more perfect than anyone. How knowlegeable, more knowing than anyone. It was sophomoric, clearly.

It is DANGEROUS. This is nto mere ego, of “I can win”. I have quoted this stuff so many times. I am blue in the face. It was in so many speeches and exchanges. The interview ith Lara Logan for one.

It was lying in plain view all over the place.

59. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

“A Lightworker — An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being”

– Mark Morford

Taking this guy out of context seems risky at best, dishonest at worst.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/11/07/notes110708.DTL&hw=&sn=010&sc=725

And yes, it must be said: Sad indeed to imagine many of those black pastors up there, cheering Obama’s win and deeming this a new dawn for blacks after so many years of struggle for basic civil rights, while in the next breath talking up the wrath of God that will strike parishioners should they allow homosexuals to register for stemware at Crate & Barrel. Talk about disingenuous.

Let me suggest it outright: The vast majority of Yes on 8 voters seem to have been motivated, at least in part, by this sad misunderstanding of God, this harsh spiritual slant that supports a discriminatory, micromanager Almighty who fully endorses marital bliss, but only for some.

60. marisacat - 20 December 2008

57

Ben Smith, a mouth piece, but even he said, it seems that ONLY Caroline is being really considered and that ONLY Caroline seems alllowed to campaign. Such as her stumbling campaign is…

61. marisacat - 20 December 2008

59

Keep yourself busy. Go off and analyse each one. Morford writes right here in the SF Gate… I read the orgiinal the day it appeared. He was MASSIVELY quoted in the media and at blogs.

Now go off and dissect each one.

If you missed all this shit it is because you entered a bubble. You became a little hammer for Ob, as I clearly recall. When not a hammer for Ron Paul. And you were very busy trashing this site at PFF. That was a lot of work… LOL. I was busy reading other things.

Go be busy. Dissect them all.

62. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

ALL of this stuff has been around. The originals, from masses of people… In news papers, at sites, at blogs. If anyone missed it they were not reading.

No. It means I’m not proof texting.

I looked at two of the less well known people on that list and in one case it was an anti-Obama libertarian and in another it was a very wordy, sort of new agey guy who seems to like to try on various forms of poetic musing.

The more well known people speak for themselves. Chris Matthews is a blowhard who voted for Bush and likes hyperbole. Toni Morrison is a nobel prize winner who’s based most of her work on Faulkner.

Deepak Chopra’s a new age guru. Of course he’s going to talk that way. Gary Hart’s a has been politician. Ophra Winfrey is of course Ophrah Winfrey.

What I’m not seeing is a case that Obama’s grass roots supporters meet up with the Limbaughesque straw man. I’m seeing a lot of out of context quotes from some rather well know people.

63. marisacat - 20 December 2008

59

Yes and who stopped you in your tracks.. you blindly bought into the ‘7 out of 10 CA blacks vote for Prop 8′. Some weeks after election too, as it had all swirled in the media, and the push back was around for anyone concenred to see.

Don’t make ma laugh too hard, now.

64. marisacat - 20 December 2008

62

READ THE WHOLE SITE.

Go away and dissect away. Take your pick ax with you. This is old shit from you. What a fucking nagger.

65. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

60 – Oxygen is a precious commodity in these troubled times! Women and children of dead presidents first!

However,

While Ms. Kennedy appears to be everywhere, even offering a shaky rendition of “Jingle Bells” at a Queens Democratic holiday party Thursday night, Mr. Lopez said he heard only silence from the Cuomo camp.

“I don’t think that strategy works,” Mr. Lopez said. “If a potential candidate is interested, it is imperative that they step up and activate their campaign.”

Meanwhile, some of the state’s most powerful labor groups say that unless they receive a signal from Mr. Cuomo, they are moving to openly endorse the daughter of the late president and niece of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, a longtime ally of the unions.

Of course, this is a contest with an electorate of one, and it is not clear whether a public campaign or low-profile approach will suit Mr. Paterson.

66. marisacat - 20 December 2008

OLD NEWS

Deepak Chopra’s a new age guru. Of course he’s going to talk that way. Gary Hart’s a has been politician. Ophra Winfrey is of course Ophrah Winfrey.

How stupid do you think that people who are not you are?

Go dissect away elsewhere.

67. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Morford writes right here in the SF Gate

They could have just as easily quoted what he said about Hillary Clinton.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/01/16/notes011608.DTL&hw=&sn=092&sc=728

Yes indeed, the sexism that surrounds Clinton’s run like a toxic fog is almost too easy to spot. (Fox News is, naturally, fueling its entire 2008 programming schedule with it.) It is de facto, built-in, implied and inherent in the coverage of just about everything she does, and what’s most amazing to me is that people are still surprised that the sexism is there at all, much less so apparent and shameless.

To which I can only reply: I’m sorry, did you somehow miss the last seven years of brutal, testosterone-drunk war-sucking macho neocon hell? Did your noise-canceling headphones somehow block out the sound of those 10,000 tiny, clashing penises, banging like Satan’s own baby rattle all the way from Osama’s cave to the Oval Office to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s gay fetish dungeon in downtown Tehran?

(Actually, at the moment, it’s tough to tell which aspect the right hates more about Hillary: the fact that she’s a woman or the fact that she’s a Clinton. I think it’s a lethal mix of both, the unconscionable right-wing double whammy, insult added to injury and all resulting in a liberal vagina monologue the misogynistic right is simply not ready to hear.)

68. marisacat - 20 December 2008

65

When I read of Vito Lopez I meant ot ask the NYers what it meant, if he really si a pol/grandfather and if it means a lot, his endorsement.

69. marisacat - 20 December 2008

67 READ THE WHOLE SITE.

70. catnip - 20 December 2008

62. proof texting.

You misspelled: “getting my head out of my ass”

What I’m not seeing is a case that Obama’s grass roots supporters meet up with the Limbaughesque straw man.

Get.thee.to.dkos and so many other forums. You’ll see it if you allow yourself to.

How much proof do you need?

As our former esteemed prime minister Jean Chretien once said:

A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It’s a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it’s because it’s proven.

71. marisacat - 20 December 2008

I’ll be frank Hair Club.. I am nto spending a Saturday with you happy as clam ranting at me. You have done enough of that, for a year and more. Cycling thru your manias with politics.

It is a past time for you.

Take some time off this site. Take your fixations elsewhere. Take a break from me.

72. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

67 READ THE WHOLE SITE

You mean ignore the context of the quote :)

I actually sort of like Mark Morford.

But I do think he needs an editor and I do think he looks for the “good” a bit too much in every detail.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/11/notes061108.DTL&hw=&sn=050&sc=727

It’s because younger people today — those under, say, 45 or so — have been far more exposed to the gay “lifestyle” and to more fluid notions of gender and sexuality, to the idea of homosexuality as a common, nonthreatening, everyday, what’s-the-big-deal shrug, and therefore, as a demographic, they/we understand that allowing gay people to wed doesn’t actually mean our shaky notions of God and family and society will collapse like a priest’s willpower at a Boy Scout jamboree.

Morford reminds me of a lot of people I know in the arts who are into Eastern religion. They can be a bit goofy sometimes but I’d much rather hang out with people like this than someone like Matt Drudge.

73. NYCee - 20 December 2008

40 – Thanks, luv. (I have specialist appts lined up for foot prob. Hope it gets fixed, too)

Little Miss Willow is just DANDY. Has her hidey holes, or “apartments,” as we sometimes call them. She comes out when she has an idea that it’s hug or play time. Definitely food time. So cute. She likes paper airplanes now, too.

We have found out she is not a self regulator when it comes to food, so we have to give it to her in two increments, daily, small portions… (Lusty eater, unlike my other cats who were more moderate and self regulating) The vet could see she was starting to chub up when we took her for a general check up and eye problem info. What we didnt expect was that he said he can remove the “conjunctiva” which may improve eyesight. We thought, as ASPCA said, the poor eyesight was all due to scarring from infection and was permanent damage. We will look into it more when time and energy permit. She gets around great, for the time being. Up on chairs, tables, etc, just not on things like the refrigerator, which is kind of a blessing, really. :-)

74. marisacat - 20 December 2008

Soemthing is in the air, my AOL email acct is being massively hit with spam. How fitting.

75. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Take some time off this site. Take your fixations elsewhere. Take a break from me.

Gotcha.

Enjoy your *cult* of misery.

76. catnip - 20 December 2008

I need a crochet fix. Off to find another pattern to mangle.

77. NYCee - 20 December 2008

47 – Intermittent swelling and pain. Will know more when I see orthopedic foot specialist (cant get appt till Jan) and vascular surgeon.

78. marisacat - 20 December 2008

I like Morford as well. But he lost his fucking mind over Obster. As did millions.

Enough.

*******************

73

What we didnt expect was that he said he can remove the “conjunctiva” which may improve eyesight.

Depending on the cost, that may be a good idea. Baby seemed to work with her one eye… the “clouded” one was removed when she still lived next door… so I never knew much about it … but then one night when she was lying on my chest staring at me… which she did a lot… I noticed the pupil on the one good idea was “blown”… I could see that she was seeing a lot less. It was 2 years before she died… so by then she ws at least 16… I was not going to put her thru much.. and we just accommodated her increasing blindness… we being she and I…

79. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

I’m not up on my metropolitan machine pols, but he chairs the Kings County Dems and the Housing committee in the state Assembly. Apparently a fairly prominent mover and shaker in Latino Dem circles, but unlike some, has come out for marriage equality. Been in office since 1984.

Wiki on Lopez includes this, under “Questionable Practices in the 2008 Democratic Primaries.”

Vito Lopez got the vote out for Hillary Clinton to produce lopsided victories. However, in his native 53rd Assembly District, which voted at the John C. Hylan school in Bushwick, Senator Clinton totaled a 160 to 4 victory even though anecdotal evidence suggests large numbers of the neighborhood voted for Senator Barack Obama. Assemblyman Lopez claims to have gotten the vote out for this primary “the old fashioned way.”

What kind of pull he’s got with Paterson is beyond my ken.

80. marisacat - 20 December 2008

75

Nothing new HC. You said it all over at PFF or when you posted that ‘Naderites were making your life miserable’. That was amusing. Or when you attacked Silber as a racist. That too was amusing.

One thing, I don’t erase. You do… as did Peeder.

81. catnip - 20 December 2008

77. Sorry to hear that! I hope it’s nothing serious.

82. marisacat - 20 December 2008

one good idea

One good EYE. Tho that above works as well.

83. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Or when you attacked Silber as a racist.

You mean this? I think I was pretty spot on.

But by carefully cherry picking what he wants to here from Obama’s supporters on the 24/7 cable news and on the internet in order to convince himself that the American people are somehow both vapid and silly and potential fascist storm troopers gearing up for the apocalypse Silber goes beyond mistrust of the American government to out and out hatred for the American people. Even worse, in his zeal to see Barack Obama as that rough beast slouching towards Washington who will at long last release the fascist demons that have seemed to be permanently lurking just around the corner over the past seven years, Silber proof texts history so badly he renders it almost unrecognizable.

And cultlike behavior is doing what Silber’s little sycophants did, follow me around to other blogs posting links back to PFF trying to get people to see that I was posting on a “troll” site.

Too fucking funny.

84. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

Anyway, I’ll send you the whole article.

You’re welcome to post it in its entirety and ban me if you like.

I stand by the whole thing. I don’t need to be able to respond. I’m confident it will speak for itself.

85. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

HC, several people posted both here and at PFF. Nothing to do with following you. . . .

86. marisacat - 20 December 2008

Well you voted for Ob. he’s yours. And yuo were and are happy to call those who take issue with ob “racist”.

Now take a break. Done with you and your manias masquerading as political interest, as you declared yourself ”done” with this site and the people who post here in May of htis year.

But you weren’t. Try to make that “done with” real. take a break.

Don’t send me anything.

87. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2008

HC, several people posted both here and at PFF. Nothing to do with following you. . .

No. I’m talking about another site altogether. The person in question Googled my real name and followed me to another blog (where I post under my real name) and posted links back to PFF to try to get people to see what a god awful troll I am. Truthfully I don’t think anybody noticed.

But here’s the entire Silber article.

http://stanleyrogouski.blogspot.com/2008/12/reconsidering-barack-obama.html

88. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

NY Observer article from November on Bloomberg “rekindling his friendship” with Lopez, perhaps with an eye to support for for the 09 mayoral run.

From a January 08 NY Observer article – Vito Lopez: Brooklyn is Back – Lopez himself indulged in a bit of political crowing:

Brooklyn Democratic County Leader Vito Lopez is declaring that Brooklyn, as a political powerhouse, has returned.

He attributes the rebirth to a series of small recent victories.

First, Lopez managed to block–or at least delay–the confirmation of city clerk appointee Hector Diaz of the Bronx. He and a coalition also blocked the appointment of another Bronx official up for appointment as a commissioner of the Board of Elections. Lastly, three judges from Brooklyn were appointed to the bench by Eliot Spitzer.

When I spoke to him on the phone, Lopez told me, “The whole theme of what I tried to do in my two years is ‘Brooklyn is Back,’ and we’re really proud that. People, after years of not respecting our political credibility, people are respecting it, and we are the first to be called on these key positions.”

89. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

More on the Brooklyn pol in the mod pod, I think.

90. mattes - 20 December 2008

#74 Marcat, my new fsz diary took part of melvin’s diary and put it in mine. it’s an internet storm…

91. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

Ta.

92. marisacat - 20 December 2008

nu post…

LINK

……………. :lol: ………………..

thanks for the comments on Vito Lopez, IB… not like the Kennedys don’t know about cash in boxes… interesting to see what comes of all of this. Legacy senator seat, I would guess… and anotehr pro life pro war vote in the senate. Way to go! And a “dearest friend” of Ob and Obmate.

93. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2008

No prob.

Time for me to get out the snow shovel, before the next big wave of precip comes in.

Sympathies to NYCee nursing a sore foot in this weather!

94. marisacat - 20 December 2008

A courtesy… .

Rogouski is still at it. Here is his last comment for awhile, or so he promises:

Hair Club for Men

68.–.–.2
Submitted on 2008/12/20 at 12:20pm

I’ll make this my last post here for awhile.

But I DO want to post a link to the article about Arthur Silber.

http://stanleyrogouski.blogspot.com/2008/12/reconsidering-barack-obama.html

Quite frankly I think it holds up pretty well.

***

However I will add his last two grafs from the link:

By invoking the paranoid fear that a rather typical liberal Democrat like Barack Obama tacking to the center is Yeat’s “rough beast,” the catalyst that may set us on the road to the apocalypse, Silber not only contributes to suppressing the vote in the fall and just perhaps throwing the election to John McCain, but also to making it impossible for Barack Obama to govern, should he get elected. The real danger to programs like Social Security is not so much a neo liberal advisor or two like Austin Goolsby, but a long term process whereby the American people lose so much confidence in the ability of the government to solve problems they simply throw their hands up in the air and let private industry do whatever it wants. The real danger to the constitution is not a mass of new and perhaps inexperienced voters who talk vaguely about “change and hope”. It’s apathy.

Arthur Silber should know this but unfortunately he has fallen for that oldest of scams, the one where the mark gets robbed because he thinks he’s smarter than he really is. In the end, he’s not a racist at all, just a useful idiot.

And I will add that masses of comments from HCfM, donkeytale, denali/d3n4l1 and others, Obama acolytes, at Peeder’s factory farm calling out people such as AS and myself, others, as racists, are MIA. I was excoriated for weeks running in diaries and comments there, at one time there were 6 diaries alone blasting me. Off balance people, to say the least. Excessive fixation, as well.

Sorry, my focus is and was politics. Over and over. Don’t like what I post, too damn fucking bad.

95. bayprairie - 20 December 2008

the clue to the problem with the left is

senor hair club

in the voting booth

with the leverr

hairclub

would you PLEASE GO FUCK OFF?

GODDAMN YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BORE IN THE UNIVERSE!

96. bayprairie - 20 December 2008

EPITATH

the ashole voted for

obama

97. wu ming - 21 December 2008

re. 35

my sense of it is that people are having to figure those things out by experience, on their own, seeing the lies that don’t add up, rather than being taught it. so the youth (of which i consider myself a rather old member, at 33, given that all i remember politically is reagan-bush-clinton-bush) aren’t necessarily conservative for that right wing political environment, so much as having a harder time rhetorically explaining what don’t seem right.

in some sense, i suppose it might be like growing up in the 50s, only with the relative levels of economic and social conservatism reversed. or 1960 feminists having no idea about the earlier victorian wave of feminists. you know things are wrong, but the political language/ideology that would explain it to you have been suppressed. eventually, something snaps. i think we’re not too far from that moment, in the youth if not the general population.


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