Protest 27 December 2008
Posted by marisacat in Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Italy, WAR!.trackback

A pro-Tibet protester shouts anti-China slogans from a police van in front of the Chinese Embassy Visa Section in Kathmandu on April 29 [Picture: REUTERS]
I figured a day of onset of war or renewed war somewhere would make good use of this pic… Works today I think…
Since Israeli troops overran the Strip in 1967, Israeli politicians and generals have always seen it as a problem – a hotbed of radicalism and opposition. And so Israel has ventured failed experiment after experiment in the attempt to control Gaza. It has tried everything except the obvious – to allow its people to be free.
It has tried directly managing Gaza, and a brutal policy of quarantine backed by tanks, jets and gunboats. It has attempted the maintenance of strategic settlements, which only provided a focus for resistance against the patrolling troops. And when that failed, Israel retreated – only to find that, without a proximate enemy, those living inside turned to attacking the nearby towns with crude missiles.
Ironically, one of Israel’s experiments involved assisting in the creation of Hamas, which had its roots in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, to counter the power of Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organisation. Israel has been determined to push Hamas ever closer to all-out war since insisting that even though it won free and fair Palestinian legislative elections in 2006, its right to govern could not be treated as legitimate.
Since Hamas took power in Gaza in summer 2007, after a short, brutal struggle with Fatah, Israel’s policy has been one of collective punishment, summed up in the policy of “no prosperity, no development, no humanitarian crisis”.
It has tried everything except the obvious – to allow its people to be free.
Yes.. Let’s not get too carried away with this easy idea of ”failure”. We tried so hard! We failed! Ongoing chaos seems to me to be the order of the day. Just as Iraq is not, nor was it ever, “mismanaged”.
Here is where the author leaves us… I am less sure than he seems to be that some Great Fork in the endless war road that we share with Israel has occurred. Nice thought tho.
And Israel has supplied a rallying point. Something tangible and brutal that gives the critics of its actions in Gaza – who say it has a policy of collective punishment backed by disproportionate and excessive force – something to focus on.
Something to be ranked with Deir Yassin. With the Sabra and Shatila massacres. Something, at last, that Israel’s foes can say looks like an atrocity.
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What a strange day! A writer in the Sunday Observer (what a diminished, shadow of nothing that publication is!) ponders B16′s Christmas Urbi e Orbi
Over the past few months, the Vatican has been quietly canvassing Lord Guthrie, the former head of the armed forces, John Studzinski, the millionaire philanthropist, and a handful of other influential British Catholics on who should succeed Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor upon his imminent retirement. From the telephone conversations and one-on-one meetings, it is clear what Pope Benedict XVI expects of the man who will lead Britain’s more than four million Catholics: courage, patience, PR nous and an unshakable respect for liturgical tradition.
As of last week, we also know one quality the Pope is not seeking in prospective candidates: tolerance towards lesbians and gays. [... and we did not know this last year? and before? --Mcat]
In his Christmas address to Vatican staff, Benedict XVI inveighed against the harm done by “gender theory” (he likened it to the threat to the planet caused by the destruction of the rainforest), which teaches that the distinction between male and female is down to cultural rather than biological influence. Most of the faithful billion-plus Catholics who pay close attention to every word the Pope utters must have drawn a blank: gender theory, perhaps a familiar concept to some Ivy Leaguers, is unknown in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro and the slums of Calcutta [really? --Mcat]. The media, however, quickly bridged the knowledge gap and interpreted the papal message as a coded attack on homosexuals. Gender theory questions the patriarchy and sex-based discrimination; its critics, ergo, must support both.
and she posits that blither from il papa is, somehow, going to cause:
Instead, Benedict XVI issued a message that could be, and was, boiled down to a finger-wagging warning against a vulnerable minority. Many Catholics, even among his most devoted disciples, must be issuing a moan of exasperation, none more so than the candidates to succeed Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor. These men stand to inherit a position that propels them to the centre of public life in an overwhelmingly secular society that will treat them with suspicion, if not downright hostility. Given the make-up of today’s Catholic church, at least some of these men are bound to be gay; given their candidature, their service to the church cannot be doubted.

How is any of this new, and why would things change? B16 and Ganswein seem to be joined at the hip in some fashion, rather more than elderly prelate and youngish monsignor/secretary … but why would that or anything else change the church’s love of prohibition for people… (Of course she is a Catholic writer, former editor of the Catholic Herald. Keep the fictions going!)
As a critic has said of the pope:
”If Ratzinger had a motto it could have more to do with Caesar than Jesus: divide et impera.”
I say, Excellent! for a War Pope! To my eye, things are on track! Not the right track, but the preferred track!
They have had murderers and buggerers as papa and princes of the church for centuries and still they maintain the long finger shake… when not arranging the capelet…
Sorry, I just love to dish on the pope… it’s easy!













No one wants to be first to the new thread. It’s so gauche. And, I forgot my hostess gift.
Oh, I’ll just re-gift my sister’s re-gift to me…
http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1032660
(May you accept it in the spirit in which my sister intended me to accept it…)
Obama ‘monitoring’ Gaza strikes: spokesman
IOW, he doesn’t know what the official Dem party line is yet. Coward.
Ironic – we both posted bits from the same Guardian article. I just finished my blog post on this as well.
catnip… link to your piece… with a cut from it….
8)
Alrighty:
Ali Abunimah in Electronic Intifada
RIP Chicago School of Economics: 1976-2008
That does sum it up.
Occupation Magazine
Angry Arab:
And while I am there, more tidbits from the article:
# 7
I think of Milton Friedman a bit like Mike Dukakis. They both rode tanks. Dukakis went nowhere on his tank. Well, Friedman didn’t really ride a tank, but he might just as well have ridden one, right there alongside the putchistas in Chile waving in the new order.
Lovely… KGO has on the Israeli consul general from here… he posits that the casualties in GAZA will be “positive”. “positive casualties”.
#1 LOL. No one wants to be first to the new thread. It is so gauche..
truly, LMAO. Very well done.
unfortunately there’s always the asshole who has no such inhibitions. The kind of Christoper Walkenesque wasm – but with logorrhea -
who will not only post -
in
the first position – but –
bookend the thread- so busy in the wordlerine, that,
he missed the NEW thread–
the one that already started.
Then.
these. guys.
These guys. these guys – the blibbering galoots-
They pull into the club spot – Again.
With the SHIT FROM THE LAST THREAD.
LOL.. Fuckers.
“signs of imminent ground assault” from The Telegraph
And this:
Speaking of comment #1
NYCO,
Is this what your sister got you for Christmas? What a hoot!
NYCO , from last thread re :
The ….Didn’t see it coming… crap.
Member of a massive coupla thousand year old cult. (me)
Don’t you think this line of reasoning is a little facile? -NYCO
No. It’s quite facile.
And consistent with the facility with which the diabolical is blurred::
Who knew? Seemed friendly. Went to Church. Why oh Why?
What Possibly could have gone wrong?
I understand People are in shock. Numb.
Comprehensibility all but abandoned amidst The Despicable…
but perhaps the Greatest Hook of All Time is :
“Judge not, lest ye be Judged.”
I suppose it couldn’t be written in the Ancient Texts:
Step Right up for the Lobotomy.
Now that we’ve arrived at a recognition it is indeed quite facile,
perhaps those rhetorical defenses can literallybe answered…
Who knew? Seemed friendly. Went to Church. Why oh Why?
What Possibly could have gone wrong?
If lucky, Some work – simplistic or not -on How could it be stopped?
I’m not speaking about any of this in any religious sense.
Truth is though, dogmatic and Judgemental as it sounds – Truth is –
A very significant number of “us” are all fucked up. Particularly how guilt is used, managed, or in most cases OBVIATED.
It’s Either a jet fueled exit when it comes to material acquisitiveness and Ambition, (either personal or national , to dust with anything or anyone in the way).. Or there is medieval regression particulaly WRT human sexuality, or other individuals we’ve only summarily assessed…
My thoughts anyways, I just thought the juxtaposition of one very blunt simplistic observation alongside a simplistic unserviceable other, kind of just Fits*
That said, the irony of either being too simplistic or reading too much into things is not lost on me…
Hunters Piece?
An Inaugural Carol: Part III?
The One He Put up in the middle of Israel’s Bombing of Gaza?
The One , UH – He’s had on the Front Page at Dk
since yesterday afternoon—
22 comments.
The condemnation of Israel and it’s bombing piece yesterday ?
2216 comments
Good Day all.
“positive casualties”
Do these people look in mirrors? Do they kiss their children with those mouths?
The fact is that lots of people experience such indifference in their daily lives that a smiling guy at the church door may seem like a beacon of pleasantness in a gray world. The shock is more understandable to me when I think of that.
For some people, the Catholic Church sucks, is imperfect, is run by hypocrites, etc. But frankly, the official progressive prescription for happiness seems just as dreary to me as what the Catholic Church offers. Someone like me would fare just as poorly in a humanist utopia as I would among the Catholics. Six of one, half dozen of the other; in the end, I’ll take the poetry.
THIS is just silly:
That happened years ago.
“Moving ahead” is just another way of saying buying in.
the official progressive prescription for happiness seems just as dreary to me
Well I never bought into any progressive lecture. Life is a lot more complicated than that. And frankly never bought into the blither around about happiness either. Or the mediocrity of the classic “positivism” lecture. Again, life is more complicated.
…well, woke up hoping to find some news on the war taking place in the ME on cable…..not a word.
Cable shoudl just run this on their crawl.. as I am sure they agree with it…
Livni always laughs at times like this… maybe they could interveiw her laughing. Becasue in a few weeks when interviewed by Charlie Rose about all the recent unpleasantness, she will be laughing.
I read at angry arab that abu maazen is in … Riyadh. So perfect.
22- geez mattes, Santa killing a bunch of people with a gun and a nifty homemade firebomb not enough for you?
This damned cultural indoctrination just will. not. take. with you, will it?
I read at angry arab that abu maazen is in … Riyadh.
They do realize that Hamas will come out of this stronger, right? That is, unless they want to go all Wounded Knee on Gaza and just wipe a very large number of Palestinians out (which I frankly wouldn’t put past them).
Snip from the London Times.. I cannot tell you how many times the pro war – including Iran, pro Israel host last night on KGO, with the Israeli consul general, mentioned this quote of Obster’s during the long long long run:
So in the bag. And why not. No single mere president is going to take the strategic interests of the US off course.
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They do realize that Hamas will come out of this stronger, right?
well that is mentioned in some press reports. As well it seems clear that Hamas (no shock) is using this for martyrdom… They could have cleared their sort of civil affairs/safety police from being such easy targets… the one building loaded with police recruits, etc.
Then again if they shell, bomb and keep land forces in GAZA for 34 days (like Lebanon)… after bleeding the area for months of supplies and food….
I don’t know. But does it strengthn Hamas in general, seems likely… The other thing I read, but who knows the reality on the ground, there is much more evident anger at the various arab nations that silently go along with the Israeli moves.
I still don’t understand why hundreds of rockets, mortars, shells and bullets flying into Gaza for every ONE that goes out from Gaza don’t bear repeating, and why the NO ONE will do anything to stop the munitions aimed at all the daughters living inside Gazan homes.
#24 MM…
I wouldn’t stay married and mass produce children either. Failure I am.
Meanwhile… CNN, still not a word. But if some Jew in Timbuktu got hit with a rock, Wolf would be all over it….non-stop.
Chris Floyd has a sort of back ground piece on this [ahem] surge against Palestine, from the 24th
Oh I think we got the message…
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untermenschen… is the answer I think.
It is also interesting how Obama has repeatedly used his daughters when drawing a contrast or making an example in the case of a very controversial issue… here war of occupation and antoher significant example, abortion.
I would leave my own children out of stumping and selling war. Must work for him tho.
I would leave my own children out of stumping and selling war. Must work for him tho.
using lambs to lead others to slaughter.
What’s a little war, what’s a little hate… between FRIENDS.. eh? And we are all FRIENDS, right?
Laura Rozen War and Piece has a round up of response… such as it is…
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Rewrite time…
As for Obama using his daughters to offer a ridiculously simplistic view of the I/P situation, here’s what I wrote to a commenter at my place who tried to make this about you shoot me, I’ll shoot back:
Delusions of victory in Gaza
Steve Clemons has up a spineless legless armless thing on the GAZA bombing… the thread is great tho, push back push back…
This is a good one…
Essentially, Israel is telling Hamas it is willing to recognize its control of Gaza on the condition that it assumes responsibility for the security of the territory, like Hezbollah controls southern Lebanon. — ha’aretz
Does anyone believe this tho… ??
I just heard the Consul General repeatedly say that Hamas ”seized power, by coup in 2006”. EVEN AS he would admit there was an election. It did not matter.
And over and over he and the host John Rothman, who is little but a propagandist much of the time for Israel, linked anything and everything to Iran.
FYI to Marisacat – A DK diarist called hahne has posted a “worm’s eye view” about the mismanagement of the No-on-8 campaign, with observations and suggestions that very much echo some of your thoughts on the debacle.
Proposition 8 postmortem – from a senior volunteer.
Thanks for that IB… [ulled it up and reading it now.
Petrelis Files http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/ – a local activist who is not a Democrat nor part of any of the party clubs and whathaveyous – is where I get a lot of info on the No on 8 campaign and aftermath.
Hilariously, right now at the top of the page, he has up the transcript of an actual phone conversation between Allen Ginsberg and Kissinger. Too funny… horrid days, but thru the auspices of the Gene McCarthy campaign (McCarthy himself), K spoke to Allen. What a hoot.
Something a little lighter, anyway…
Snip from another good comment at Clemons’ The Washington Note:
I am guessing the group[s] seeking to censor YouTube and other sources has been doing some quiet private polling and emphatically does not like what they hear back. TMI is a baaaad thing!
38. Does anyone believe this tho… ??
I don’t know but what’s the alternative? We saw what happened when they tried to get rid of Hezbollah in Lebanon. How are they going to get rid of Hamas?
I’ll say one thing – so-called progressives will not be able to hide from the I/P issue with Obamalama in charge. They didn’t even have to give it lip service (and wouldn’t) before when the Bush & Condi ME Show was on.
yeah but governments do what they want… not what makes sense to ordinary mortals.
I doubt I could find the link now but I have posted links and cuts to dox and reports that indicate the entire founding military and political reality of Israel decided, by the 50s, that either constant war or the constant threat of war was how they wished to govern …
Seems to me they have stuck to it.. and very rigidly the past years of this decade.
I took particular note that Moshe Dayan was part of the formulation of constant war/threat of war…. Because in more benign (supposedly) times (as a teenager in the 60s) I fell for his and his daughter’s, can’t remember her name now (I see at wiki it is Yael), soft propaganda carried out in Europe.
this is too much like the anti terrorism under Thatcher against the IRA… they had no desire to settle antyhing, but to inflame. 20 years or more of horror. Not that either side is necessarily “good”.
The israeli line that Hamas is utterly the puppet of Iran is too useful to them.
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LOL He’ll constantly be said to have a “secret” plan to end this or that. Or make this or that better…
Be interesting to see how long it can run.
Ender:
Susan who?
What’s a little meta between friends.
Getting ugly.
http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com/showComment.do?commentId=37667
How are they going to get rid of Hamas?
see Wounded Knee.
I really think they’re going to go for mass destruction this time, and kill a LOT more people. I suspect that casualties already are far over the couple hundred we’ve heard.
mattes is a neo-Nazi?!?!?
That is beyond silly.
the Ginsberg stuff is a SCREAM:
yeah I got a BIG kick out of the Ginsberg Kissinger chat. Certainly not oging to romanticise the past, but a hard conversation to replicate today.
Saw some figures…600 hurt.
new diary:
ISRAEL: Livni, No civilian casualties in Gaza!
http://www.freespeechzoneblog.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=D6A9AAB9500BE93C0DBA15BBFD8F7398?diaryId=2014
I suspect susan who is anti-arab poster.
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ugh gone to check FSZ… or Free Kill Zone. Whatever.
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I read 700 wounded several hours ago. And Israeli ordnance hit over 100 targets… so… my guess it all rises. As it’s been reported, shortages in the hosptials ensure the kill rate rises.
ugh Ender has real problems. He did not follow the lebanon war closely. It was nasty and pounded out ‘kill from the air’, but the IDF failed miserably on the ground. Out of shape and out of training, and poorly equipped. Like here the AF is all.
This kind of shit drives me nuts: Those who have condemned Israel for falling into a trap ought to be just as vocal in condemning Hamas for setting such a trap
not to defend those rocket launches, but the disproportionate level of Israeli aggression, going bck over YEARS … really, how do you make a moral equivalency of these two things?
I can’t find links yet MM, but I think this last month the Israelis really put the squeeze on Gaza. i.e. food, heat. And turned away Hamas overtures for ceasefire.
57- I saw those reports too mattes.
Madoff probe focuses on tax havens
Electronic Intifada reported on the blockade, the closures of the passage points, people dying at the borders.. and so on. People unable to get care for cancer or dialysis, specialised care for all manner of illness. I keep their RSS feed over on the right side bar.
I think the roll up to election and the aftermath, a months long enterprise, was good cover for Israel.
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well iirc Israel assisted in the founding of Hamas, as a counterweight.
God knows what the ME would be without so much fucked interference.
I know the IDF can get rid of Hamas. Just carpet bomb Gaza (which I’m sure some of them would love to do). Mind you, there are other members of Hamas in places like Syria. And I have no doubt that the war industry keeps chugging along no matter who does or says what where. It must be fed. There’s too much money involved for something as silly as “peace” to overtake it.
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FSZ – I though davefromqueens was banned the last time I looked. Banned for being “insane” or some such thing.
62…lol, dave has nine lives.
As does the resistance, no matter the name.
A percentage of humans will always fight oppression. IMO.
some good news:
Federal Court in Louisiana Rules In Favor of Gay Adoptive Fathers
It’s about time that a case came up that addressed this question.
from the city of brotherly love
Here is a tidbit from the Star Tribune (AP) report that Turley links to… A cause for hope!
Israel bombs university in Gaza
Violent protest in London at the Israeli Embassy.
from IB’s link
from an old dkos thread
from another old dkos thread
What about the “consultant” superdelegates? (0+ / 0-)
from another old dkos thread
hmmmmm. who’s working for whom
From the Dkos diary IB linked to on Prop 8 The Mess It Was, LOL…
Yes teh conservative movement is so dead. And gone and dried up and blown away. Oh suuure. And the R can so cut loose from the “oogedy boogedy” (grace a Kathleen Parker) religious component.
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SOLD OUT from within.. I am tellin’ ya… The party did nto want an obama win twinned with Prop 8 win in CA… And in fact the prop/ballot measure/ initiative that LOST in Az, two years ago IT WON.
This time around AZ used different tactics. They LOST.
Plus jbou who was an asshole and liked to link to his music was in fact a Call Center operater/worker/low management/Dem party grunt and thug.
Interesting Times Online article, laying out what will be the mantra. Better named, the excuse.
I was GONNA tryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.. really I was! But you saw what happened!…
from sourcewatch
you know, i bet they do!
gnu thred…
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