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Still the weekend.. ;) 24 May 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, Abortion Rights, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, SCOTUS, Sex / Reproductive Health, WAR!.
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A new collection of bathtubs designed to look like women’s shoes have gone on sale. The tubs cost up to £17,000. The user reclines with their feet at the toe end of the shoe and their head towards the heel. Water trickles from a jet at the heel Picture: SOLENT

Jeff Cohen of FAIR has a post up about the coming SCOTUS pick…

[O]n this topic (like others), Obama speaks eloquently. . . out of both sides of his mouth.

In revealing comments to the Detroit Free Press last October about his models for Supreme Court picks, Obama praised liberal lions Thurgood Marshall and William Brennan of the Warren Court as “real heroes of mine.”

Then he added: “But that doesn’t necessarily mean that I think their judicial philosophy is appropriate for today.”

After noting the Warren Court’s powerful role in taking on racial segregation, Obama added a typically frustrating caveat:

“I’m not sure you need that. In fact, I would be troubled if you had that same kind of activism in circumstances today. . .

“So when I think about the kinds of judges who are needed today, it goes back to the point I was making about common sense and pragmatism as opposed to ideology.”   …snip…

It’s so cute the way they call him “pragmatic”…

Less important than his direct quotes, but very interesting, is the set up Cohen provides for the article… let me just give a ringing, GOOD LUCK!

[T]he centerpiece of the Times article was a fascinating study conducted by two University of Chicago law professors (one of whom is a conservative federal appeals judge) analyzing the judicial records of the 43 justices who’ve served on the Supreme Court since 1937.

Four of the five most conservative judges of the last seven decades (Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, Alito) now sit on the Court. With Anthony Kennedy at number ten, five of the ten most rightwing judges are currently on the Court. The current majority, in other words, is almost a conservative all-star team.

By contrast, among the ten most liberal judges since 1937, the only sitting justice is Ruth Bader Ginsburg – she’s number nine. Today’s other three “liberal” justices (Stevens, Breyer, Souter) are in the top 15, but outside the top ten.

All in all, that’s a rightwing-dominated Supreme Court.

The study gives credence to the claim of Justice John Paul Stevens (age 89) that he hasn’t moved left since being appointed by President Ford in 1975, but that the Court has moved right.

And it backs Stevens’ assertion that “every judge who’s been appointed to the Court” since 1971 “has been more conservative than his or her predecessor” – with the exception of Ginsburg (who recently underwent surgery related to pancreatic cancer).

The question facing Obama: Will he continue this trend of shifting the Court rightward?

Unfortunately, from what we’ve seen of Obama’s general penchant for “moderate” appointees who don’t inflame Republicans, it’s quite possible the Court will continue trending rightward – if liberals get replaced with less liberal appointees.  …snip…

…it’s quite possible the Court will continue trending rightward…

More than possible…

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1. BooHooHooMan - 24 May 2009

Why do I have the sinking feeling that
I’m never going to be in a tub like that?

Not even if I wanted too. Now I feel “less than”.
I want one, damnit. LOL.
I figure I could pay it off by 2054.

marisacat - 24 May 2009

I think the design needs some editing… tho of course this is only one of the designs and i haven’t seen the others. LOL Won’t be changing my tub anytime soon…
:lol:

2. BooHooHooMan - 24 May 2009

As for the Obfus-c-u- later in Chief
and his SCOTUS pic…

I know this is clouded, but when he is selling this, at least how I’m hearing it through the ObSpeak…

Via Politico

President Barack Obama told C-SPAN on Friday that he’s “going to have an announcement soon” on his pick for the Supreme Court, and said he is looking for “not just ivory tower learning.”

“I want somebody who has the intellectual fire power, but also a little bit of a common touch and has a practical sense of how the world,” Obama told C-SPAN political editor Steve Scully.

I can’t help but suspect lathering up (tub theme) to put , { how can I put this delicately?} a total fucking political tool, yes that’s it, on the bench… DNC, Inc. still needs to cover their ass with all the investigations poking around (crim probes barking up Richardson, Schumer and Rendell + likely investor class action against Robert Rubin’s circle…So I come back Rendell :: pushing HARD for the wif and as near as I can see hasn’t “gotten” significant spoils thus far…Seems to me that is the plum that Rendell needs , Specter wants, and the Clintonite pals would be happy with. Seems like everything is in place for them to pull Ed’s mediocre Midge out of a hat…or someone that suits the job description: Justice for Sale.

Now clearly a “Justice” Rendell (LOL how oxymoronic)..clearly she’d would have to recuse herself if anything ever got to Ed and worked it’s way up to SCOTUS on appeals, but it would be useful in other cases that could obviate even a glancing blow….

Obviously not a clue here in my end of the tub, but methinks Obama’s reaching for that type of backbrush as he speaks…

3. BooHooHooMan - 24 May 2009

LOL. Speaking of tubs…

Look at the bather in this one.
No more ring around the collar.
Hopefully they’ll merge with DIEBOLD. LOL.
Aroooo!

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

The Worst Case Yet Against Gay Marriage

Uh huh. Schulman goes on to fret about children losing their “status as nonsexual beings” once all the gays are allowed to marry. He also informs the reader that he has been married three times. He concludes:

Every day thousands of ordinary heterosexual men surrender the dream of gratifying our immediate erotic desires. Instead, heroically, resignedly, we march up the aisle with our new brides, starting out upon what that cad poet Shelley called the longest journey, attired in the chains of the kinship system–a system from which you have been spared. Imitate our self-surrender. If gay men and women could see the price that humanity–particularly the women and children among us–will pay, simply in order that a gay person can say of someone she already loves with perfect competence, “Hey, meet the missus!”–no doubt they will think again. If not, we’re about to see how well humanity will do without something as basic to our existence as gravity.

The neocons have long been obsessed with homosexuality, but it’s nice to see that this focus has not completely clouded their charming self-pity. And, really, Sam: Married only three times? Surely there is a fourth woman out there, somewhere, who would not instantly see through this paragraph. Schulman’s article, like others of its kind, is further proof that people who are unhappy or sexually frustrated or just angry will never stop lecturing the rest of us about what is proper and right.

catnip - 25 May 2009

Every day thousands of ordinary heterosexual men surrender the dream of gratifying our immediate erotic desires. Instead, heroically, resignedly, we march up the aisle with our new brides,

lol…what an ass. No wonder he’s on his 3rd wife.

BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

And the militarist bent too.

“we march up the aisle “

What planet is this guy from?

Gay marriage may reside outside the kinship system, but it has all the wedding-planning, nest-building fun of marriage but none of its rules or obligations (except the duties that all lovers have toward one another).

The “wedding-planning, nest-building fun”?
Mr Marital Bliss Nest Building Fun has never undertaken a whole house remodel I see. Talk about sublimating one’s immediate erotic desires.

What we need is
A Defense of Monogomous Couples again Nest Building Fun Act
that would shield all otherwise rational couples from considering taking on other lovers just for the extra pair of hands on the job…

catnip - 25 May 2009

What we need is
A Defense of Monogomous Couples again Nest Building Fun Act

rofl :D

And what’s “the kinship system”? Some secret club?

BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

Yep, As anyone ,
“in the trenches” (LOL – or on the ladder) will tell you,
Gay, Straight, or Bi-

NEBUFU (Nest Building Fun)
is the great moral turpentine of our day.

catnip - 25 May 2009

NEBUFU (Nest Building Fun)

Great band name.

marisacat - 25 May 2009

he so needs to cease and desist. really…

Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

well, he’s already had three divorce lawyers tell him exactly that.

marisacat - 25 May 2009

This is like Gingrich the serial non-monogamouser and Bennett the gambler lecturing us all…

Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

I really wish people would keep their pathologies to themselves

5. marisacat - 25 May 2009

I must say it has been as drippy and hypocritical as ever.

On Golf Course, President Obama Pauses for Moment of Silent Prayer

May 25, 2009 6:43 PM

ABC News’ Jake Tapper and Karen Travers report: In his remarks at Arlington National Cemetery this morning, President Obama called on all Americans to observe Memorial Day, a day of “silent remembrance and solemn prayer,” by pausing for a moment of national unity at 3 pm this afternoon.

For President Obama that moment came in the middle of a round of golf at Ft. Belvoir in Virginia.

The president spent around four hours on the links this afternoon — arriving around 1:30 and leaving just before 5:30 — staying in Washington after the ceremony at Arlington instead of flying back to Camp David as he was originally scheduled.

White House aides told reporters that the president paused at 3 p.m. to observe a moment of silent prayer.

“I ask you to ring a bell or offer a prayer, say a silent thank you, and commit to give something back to this nation, something lasting in their memory, to affirm in our own lives and advance around the world those enduring ideals of justice, equality and opportunity for which they and so many generations of Americans have given that last full measure of devotion,” Obama said this morning at Arlington National Cemetery. …snip…

Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

After the moment, he turned to the people golfing with him and said “Now watch this drive.”

marisacat - 25 May 2009

Maybe he could drive a ball from the Arizona Memorial in Hawai’i some Memorial Day.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

I overheard this funny/sad conversation today at a coffee shop, a fine example of how corporatism has infested EVERYTHING, how an entire generation is so used to it that it doesn’t seem weird to them, and why there is no left.

There is a guy, out on the corner across the street, trying to get people interested in the WI environmental group he works for. I don’t know if he was just handing out literature or getting signatures, but anyway he takes a break at a nearby table with two of his friends. One of them starts asking about how that group is to work for, and the “activist” says they’re all right, and that Enviromental Group A is hiring.

The other guy says, “really? I’m looking for a job, and it’s been a year since I worked for Environmental Group B, so the non-compete clause has run out.”

I think “NON-COMPETE clause?!?!” (yes, I’m shamelessly eavesdropping, since my friend is inside getting another tea).

So activist guy says, “Oh, that’s good. I had to sign one too, when I started with Enviromental Group A.”

BOTH of them think this is perfectly normal and reasonable.

Street level grunts for “activist” groups have to sign non-compete clauses? What are they competing for? Oh, that’s right … they’re not about the “cause”, they’re about the MONEY generated by mailing lists and etc.

This country is so done.

marisacat - 25 May 2009

I had not heard of that.

It would make it hard to find jobs in the non profit sector I would think. And really unless you are a favored child, jobs often don’t last in that arena…. they are, or can be, tied to various campaigns, as I understand it.

Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

It struck me as odd, yet sadly not surprising.

7. marisacat - 25 May 2009

Angry Arab links to the Arabic report at Maswary.com, no English version offered.

Mubarak goons

You will not hear about this in the US press. Two goons (most likely working for Mubarak regime) set the face and hair of Egyptian opposition figure, Ayman Nur, on fire.

This came just as Nur was supposed to be part of an opposition group that was slated to meet with Obama. (thanks Hani)

Posted by As’ad at 8:00 AM

8. BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

Lying Pieces of Shit.

Secret Israeli Report: Venezuela, Bolivia Supplying Iran With Uranium For Its Nuclear Program

Oooo it’s “secret”. As published in the Journal of Deception, The Shit Stirrers Review, and the Shiny Metal World News.

Overwhelmingly, to their credit, the comment thread at HuffPo calls the whole thing BUULSHIT.

Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

well, they had to find a new imaginary source of illicit uranium, after the non-existent source in Niger was revealed to REALLY not exist.

9. marisacat - 25 May 2009

Gary Younge has a good piece up in the Guardian on Ob’s recent flips and flops. Or whatever one calls them…

BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

Good piece, indeed:

Herein lies the tension in Obama’s deeply flawed attempts to come to terms with America’s recent disgraceful record of torture and detainment

.

Events over the past few weeks have shown just how ethically and politically untenable this situation really is. His first term looks as though it may be ­consumed by these issues anyway – and not on his terms.

.
.

But in the absence of moral leadership the national conversation has morphed seamlessly from human rights to national security, where the issue of torture and detention is debated not on the grounds of morality but efficacy.

No mercy for Pelosi, either.

The speaker of the US House of ­Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, knows this only too well. When asked why she took impeachment off the table before the 2006 elections, she said:

“What about these other people who voted for that war with no evidence … Are they going to be voting with us to impeach the president? Where are these ­Democrats going to be? Are they going to be voting for us to impeach a ­president who took us to war on ­information that they had also?”

This makes the recent fiasco over her confused accounts of whether and when the CIA mislead her on ­waterboarding seem all the more ­disingenuous. Allegations of torture from various sources were prevalent by that stage, and she chose not to believe them. Her silence made her complicit, leaving her territory on the moral high ground foreclosed.

This should leave us in no doubt as to where the ultimate responsibility lies. “Where all are guilty, no one is,” wrote Arendt. “Confessions of collective guilt are the best possible safeguard against the discovery of culprits, and the very magnitude of the crime the best excuse for doing nothing.”

10. marisacat - 25 May 2009

IOZ… and a good thread.

[C]heney has remained resolutely on the dark side, as he once infelicitously put it, and if he is a moral monster, he is at least honest in baring his fangs. Cheney says that we must do terrible and vicious but necessary things. Obama says, look over there, the Constitution! And while your back is turned, he drops the keys to the dungeon down a storm drain and snags a few wallets.

I gather from the thread that over in Digby Dingleland… the misguided are saying things like “he’d do the right thing but he is being threatened”, or is “being blackmailed”. Or similar. As IOZ added “they kidnapped themselves”. Bingo.

Was this dumbest hire ever? Let’s hire someone who is under threat all the time, or so we tell ourselves. What bullscheisse.

11. marisacat - 25 May 2009

IIRC this in fact was a bizarre idea of William F Buckley’s a few years ago. With his barely suppressed homosexual issues, a very very bizarre train of thought…

HIV sufferers could be branded in Swaziland

HIV sufferers could be branded on the buttocks under plans to slow the spread of the disease in Swaziland.

Last Updated: 3:35PM BST 25 May 2009

MP Timothy Myeni has suggested making tests compulsory for every person in the southern African state and then forcing those who were infected to be permanently marked with a warning logo.

He claimed the scheme would help stop the spread of the killer disease by reducing sexual activity between HIV positive people and uninfected partners.

Speaking at a workshop for MPs on how to tackle the epidemic, he added: “Before having sex with anyone, people will have to check their partners’ buttocks before proceeding,”

Campaigners furiously criticised the idea with Siphiwe Hlophe, a health campaigner, saying the system would contravene human rights laws.

She said: “How can a legislator lobby for the branding of HIV positive people? …snip…

Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

that’s horrible

12. BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

wu ming’s
outstanding rejoinder on DK
:

No Democrat is going to be put in a position (9+ / 0-)

to be advocating for the civil rights of suspected terrorists. They don’t want to be the target of the next Willie Horton ad.

by oceanstar17 on Mon May 25, 2009 at 06:25:17 PM PDT

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*
and that, in a nutshell (48+ / 0-)

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is how we ended up anally raping children in front of their parents. not a hypothetical slippery slope, but established history here.

but hey, don’t want to encourage any attack ads.

surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

by wu ming on Mon May 25, 2009 at 06:29:47 PM PDT

BRAVO!

marisacat - 25 May 2009

oh i think we are WAY past the simplicity of the Willie Horton ad. Perhaps ”oceanstar17” has been visiting Pluto.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 May 2009

Favorites of Left Don’t Make Obama’s Court List

WASHINGTON — Pamela S. Karlan is a champion of gay rights, criminal defendants’ rights and voting rights. She is considered brilliant, outspoken and, in her own words, “sort of snarky.” To liberal supporters, she is an Antonin Scalia for the left.

But Ms. Karlan does not expect President Obama to appoint her to succeed Justice David H. Souter, who is retiring. “Would I like to be on the Supreme Court?” she asked in graduation remarks a couple of weeks ago at Stanford Law School, where she teaches. “You bet I would. But not enough to have trimmed my sails for half a lifetime.”

While there are clear political advantages to Mr. Obama if the perception is that he has avoided an ideological choice, Ms. Karlan’s absence from his list of finalists has frustrated part of the president’s base, which hungers for a full-throated, unapologetic liberal torchbearer to counter conservatives like Justice Scalia.

It has been more than 40 years since a Democratic president appointed someone who truly excited the left, but Mr. Obama appears to be following President Bill Clinton’s lead in choosing someone with more moderate sensibilities.

The president has narrowed his list to four, according to people close to the White House — two federal appeals judges, Sonia Sotomayor of New York and Diane P. Wood of Chicago, and two members of his administration, Solicitor General Elena Kagan and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

While it is possible Mr. Obama has a surprise in the works, those on this list are cut from molds similar to those of the two Clinton appointees, Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer. They are liberal on most issues that divide the court — and surely too liberal for many Republican senators — but have not been the outspoken leaders of the legal left that advocates crave.

“He’s not going to go in that direction,” said Bernard W. Nussbaum, who was Mr. Clinton’s first White House counsel and oversaw Justice Ginsburg’s appointment. “I don’t think that he’s worried about the left. I think he’s doing the same thing we did.”

So, “lefties”/pwogies, how is that brainless cult worship thing working out for you?

marisacat - 25 May 2009

he elevated teh conservatives and the wee wittle FEDERALISTS at the Harvard Law Review. People did not pay attention.

14. BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

Oh FFS.
I can’t write for shit but I can READ.
HuffPo Linkedthru from The New York Review of Books

Bill Bradley Pwinceton Pwog turned HedgeFundie
with Roubini and Krugman Soros, et al. {-Like singing to a preschooler:
Which one of these is NOT like the other one? NOT like the other one?}

The Crisis and How to Deal with It
By Bill Bradley, Niall Ferguson, Paul Krugman, Nouriel Roubini, George Soros, Robin Wells et al.

::

Bill Bradley: How far are we along in a recovery? When the market price of Citicorp drops from 60 to 1, and then comes back to 3, I don’t think that’s a recovery. Warren Buffett buys Goldman Sachs, and after he buys, the price drops 45 to 50 percent, and if he’s going to break even on the investment he’s got to earn 9 percent for the next twelve years, I don’t think that’s a recovery.

POOR WARREN!

… The administration has put in place measures that, if they were to work, could offer some hope.

What I’d like to suggest is that if they don’t work, there’s an alternative. The national government has now made about $12.7 trillion in guarantees and commitments to the US financial sector, and we’ve already spent a little over $4 trillion in this crisis. Some institutions such as Citicorp, for example, received about $60 billion in direct assistance, and $340 billion in guarantees. So US taxpayers are into Citicorp for around $400 billion. If we look out to June, July, and if we see that the PPIP [Public-Private Investment Program, created by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner] is not succeeding, that the bank assets aren’t being bought at levels that they should be bought from the books of banks, then there is an alternative.

Saddle Up, Citi SUCKERS, so says Bradley.

Think back to Citicorp. I looked at the ticker today: the market capitalization of Citicorp is $17 billion. So the government could buy Citicorp for a fraction of what we’ve already obligated the taxpayer for. And in buying Citicorp, as an example—there could be one or two others—the government would announce in four to six months that it is going to sell the good assets of the bank back to the public. If the government bought Citicorp for, let’s say, $20 billion, what would it be worth if the government sold the good assets back to the public? Surely, several times what it paid for it.

I don’t mean selling these assets to hedge funds, although they can participate; but I would propose offering them to any American who wants to invest in this good bank the opportunity to do so.

BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

What blubbery crap from
Mr. Uni-Chin To Head Connected Bradley.

Just shilling shit for Robert Rubin’s Citi crimes and the other Jersey-residing Street Captains like Corzine of Goldman Sachs.
And Bradley is now some white-shoe Hedge-peddler himself.

Of COURSE he isn’t talking about selling Citi’s slop to Hedge Funds
and “Wealth Management”.

although they can participate”

They’ll BROKER the Scheisse getting PAID
to cover their derivative positions to boot. What a brazen SCAM.
Just naked Personal bankruptcy, there, Mr. Bill Bradley,
former rubbery pacifier and teething Pretzel to the Pwog “Left” .
{LOL, – eh, BEFORE GORE WAS “MARTYRED”.}

Bradley Relies On Wall Street To Raise Funds
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: Sunday, October 24, 1999
::

He was a legendary fund-raiser in the Senate — raising $9 million a full year before his last Senate campaign, in 1990, and outspending his opponent, Christine Todd Whitman, now New Jersey’s Governor, 15 to 1. He was one of the top Congressional recipients of money from corporate political action committees before forswearing their donations this year. He was called ”king of the bundlers” in 1990 by the Center for Responsive Politics for his ability to gather scores of $1,000 contributions from individuals employed by top investment banks, insurance companies, media concerns and law firms.

In his Presidential quest this year, Mr. Bradley’s list of top fund-raisers includes John L. Thornton, co-chief operating officer at Goldman, Sachs; Douglas A. Warner 3d, chairman of J. P. Morgan; Richard S. Fuld Jr., chief executive of Lehman Brothers; John L. Steffens, head of brokerage operations at Merrill Lynch; Joseph H. Flom, senior partner at the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, who is a powerhouse in the world of corporate takeover battles; Sanford I. Weill, co-chairman of Citigroup; Thomas G. Labrecque, recently retired president of Chase Manhattan, and Louis B. Susman, a managing director at Salomon Smith Barney.

FRAUD.

BooHooHooMan - 25 May 2009

The Short and skinny
before this Jersey asshole is all assholed out.

Bradley is trotted out to stick us with Citi, to cover Goldman Sach’s and the boutique hedgers like Bradley’s derivitive exposure as Citi implodes.
We can now see the Wall of the Tsunami coming in. The Derivitives and CDS wave is about to collapse onshore. But don’t worry. We have Bambi Geithner on the beach, trying to sip out where the water line once was, and, sensing trouble like tenderhoofs do, he’s holding up his paw with that quizical look on his face.

I’m out. Heading for cover(s).

marisacat - 25 May 2009

I am very worried it will all collapse. I mean we could stumble along for years, but… it seems we have already been doing that. So……………. what’s next? No good answer as I see it.

And the wars go on.

15. marisacat - 25 May 2009

someone just sent me this… dairy by someone named ‘bubbanomics” have not had a chance to read it yet…

Last week they chopped ToqueDeville and Inky99 … now Adam B has disappeared edscan, who is nearly 80 and was totally harmless, even as that term is understood by the Kostapo.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/25/735266/-Goodbye,-edscan

16. marisacat - 25 May 2009

Geesh

I will send up a ecumenical high five to the Episcopalians. There si a service tonight at Grace Cathedral on Nob Hill, iin preparation for the ruling tomorrow on Prop 8… gays and straights in attendance. No thought, ever, from that corner, to joining the nutty Catholics and Mormons in this hedious foolishness…

In all the hoopla I read of a couple of their churches that have supported gays for decades and offered services of marriage or commitment or fellowship or whatever they called it..

lucid - 25 May 2009

It split the Episcopalian church Mcat. And among Lutherans, furthered the divides between different branches [ELCA on the one hand, Missouri Synod, etc. on the other].

Not that I really care… I did grow up ELCA and on the liberal sides of the Epicopalian and Catholics churches [my crazy religious folks got me confirmed in all 3]…

But yes – among Episcopalians, it’s a huge issue – I believe it started sometime in the late ’90’s or so when they started ordaining openly gay ministers. [ELCA did that sometime in the early ’90’s].

marisacat - 25 May 2009

Well the Robinson business seemed to just drive some of them insane. Plus any earlier liberalisation. Here in Ca they just seem quite mild. I am sure many members of Grace Cathedral voted in support of Prop 8 (and to deny SS marriage) but there also seems no problem about reaching out.

The Catholics keep a parish out in the Castro and are very happy to serve gays. Just so far tho… I have read the rationalisation of the gays who worship there. Pretty sad stuff. ‘Cuz Niederrauer the local Catholic High Holy will not be stopping.

lucid - 25 May 2009

You know me… I’m always suspect of the religious… never know what they’re thinking… What was it Joyce [as Bloom] said… ‘very efficient organization’.

17. marisacat - 26 May 2009

Those crazy NKoreans… let off a couple of missiles. Please please let this not require a speech.

18. marisacat - 26 May 2009

hmm Feingold pens a public letter to El Heife. It is very mild. Obama meets alone, one on one (maybe Biden or Gregg Craig, other minders -LOL-, are there, but the conservative is alone) with wingers, most recently with Coburn for instance… I wonder if he will bother with RF.

[Y]ou have discussed this possibility only in the context of the current detainees at Guantanamo Bay, yet we must be aware of the precedent that such a system would establish. While the handling of these detainees by the Bush Administration was particularly egregious, from a legal as well as human rights perspective, these are unlikely to be the last suspected terrorists captured by the United States. Once a system of indefinite detention without trial is established, the temptation to use it in the future would be powerful. And, while your administration may resist such a temptation, future administrations may not. There is a real risk, then, of establishing policies and legal precedents that rather than ridding our country of the burden of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, merely set the stage for future Guantanamos, whether on our shores or elsewhere, with disastrous consequences for our national security. Worse, those policies and legal precedents would be effectively enshrined as acceptable in our system of justice, having been established not by one, largely discredited administration, but by successive administrations of both parties with greatly contrasting positions on legal and constitutional issues. …snip…

19. marisacat - 26 May 2009

SOTOMAYOR

hmm California Supreme Court is expected to go at 10 AM PT.

And Ob at 10:15 AM ET:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

President Obama to Announce Supreme Court Nominee at 10:15 a.m. ET [8:14 a.m. ET]

BooHooHooMan - 26 May 2009

I hope Ob Goes with Gallagher.
Or Carrot Top.
Maybe Sigfried now, and Roy later.

BooHooHooMan - 26 May 2009

What’s the catch?

mattes - 26 May 2009

I’m curious to read what ya’ll think.

mattes - 26 May 2009

Well…..I am waiting…..I want to know what to think.

………..!!!!!!!!!!Kidding!!!!!!!!!!

So who is she??

BooHooHooMan - 26 May 2009

Catholic #6.

BooHooHooMan - 26 May 2009

Upheld Bush’s Global Gag rule on Abortion.
Here’s what Ted Olsen – brace for impact-
ah “noted?” in Christianity Today

The Sotomayor Decision Pro-Life Groups Like

In 2002, she rejected a challenge to Bush’s Mexico City Policy.

Ted Olsen

Shortly after President George W. Bush reinstituted the Mexico City Policy (which bars government funds to groups that support or perform abortion), the Center for Reproductive Law & Policy sued.

The pro-choice group’s argument was that the Mexico City Policy unconstitutionally violated rights of speech (since it couldn’t “actively promote” abortion) and association (it couldn’t work with abortion rights advocacy groups overseas) as well as the constitution’s Equal Protection Clause (it wasn’t on “equal footing” with prolife groups in competing for funds).

When the case came before the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, Judge Sonia Sotomayor (whom President Obama this morning nominated to the Supreme Court) ruled against the Center for Reproductive Law & Policy.

“The Supreme Court has made clear that the government is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds,” Sotomayor wrote.

Does that mean she’s pro-life? No. It means she had read Rust v. Sullivan, the 1991 Supreme Court’s decision that said Congress could prohibit federal funds for “programs where abortion is a method of family planning.”

Deferential. Safe. IMO, anyways. Won’t make a bean’s pile of difference on decisions. The time to get het up was , oh,
the LAST 4 nominations…

BooHooHooMan - 26 May 2009

Sorry. Olsen piece quoted from article link throigh
“blah blah bla…..family planning”

BooHooHooMan - 26 May 2009

When I say “Safe” I mean FOR THE PTB.

I’m Looking forward to mcat’s take on the Cali SC ruling …
I heard while driving they upheld the Ban but the current marriages will stand..WTF?
What are the Courts in this dumbass country going to do?
Treat Gay Marriage like its TROUT SEASON now???

I’m out.

marisacat - 26 May 2009

Well I figured it would come out this way, barring some discovery of COURAGE in doses, over the 90 days. I was asleep when it was annouced, so have to read the vote and the reactions.

They, the justices, were clearly warned that the pro Prop 8 forces would seek recall of the judges if they voted to support SSM. Nothing to sniff at here, sad to say, they recalled three judges here, the Chief Justice, Rose Bird and two justices, Cruz Reynoso and Grodin. That was over the death penalty (we now have it reinstated as of 92).

marisacat - 26 May 2009

Jesusfuckingchrist. 6 to 1.

Today’s opinion, written by Chief Justice Ronald M. George for a 6-to-1 majority, said that same-sex couples still have the right to civil unions, which gives them the ability to “choose one’s life partner and enter with that person into a committed, officially recognized, and protected family relationship that enjoys all of the constitutionally based incidents of marriage.” But the justices said that the voters had clearly expressed their will to limit the formality of marriage to opposite-sex couples.

Justice George wrote that Proposition 8 did not “entirely repeal or abrogate” the right to such a protected relationship, but argued that it “carves out a narrow and limited exception to these state constitutional rights, reserving the official designation of the term ‘marriage’ for the union of opposite-sex couples as a matter of state constitutional law.”

marisacat - 26 May 2009

From page 2 in the Times:

Karl Manheim, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, called the decision a “safe” position written by justices who can be recalled by voters.

The change wrought by Proposition 8 was anything but narrow, he said, and claiming that the word marriage was essentially symbolic was like telling black people that sitting in the back of the bus was not important as long as the front and back of the bus arrive at the same time.

mattes - 26 May 2009

How ironic that anyone in Mexico City with money has never been denied an abortion.

marisacat - 26 May 2009

Well ti is legal now in Mexico City… It saves people having ot make it to Chula Vista, over the border.

Well that is the point mattes, rich women were never denied abortions. They were checked into the hospital for a medically necessary D & C.

marisacat - 26 May 2009

I would say that ruling or finding or writing from her is a pivotal reason she was chosen. Ob plays sick games with abortion. IMO he is opposed, but he was birthed politically in a liberal enclave, Hyde Park, and had to mouth the local pieties.

1976, the Hyde Amendment.

They knew they could isolate and vilify poor women first and make the first crucial inroad. And of course the Democrat aligned, as opposed to being INDEPENDENT, pro choicer groups, like NOW and NARAL… signaled early that they would nto ask Obster to reverse the Hyde Amendment.

And we all know his bait and switch on the Freedom of Choice Act, which would return us to Roe v Wade and stop all the state prohibitions that are permitted under Casey, from 1992.

Sorry, I don’t vote for conservatives and I did not vote for Ob.

20. marisacat - 26 May 2009

gnu post

LINK

…………. 8O ………………


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