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Colossal… in a sense. 13 August 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election.
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From its building to its destruction lies a time span of merely 56 years. Yet the colossus of rhodes earned a place in the famous list of Wonders. “But even lying on the ground, it is a marvel”, said Pliny the Elder. The Colossus of Rhodes was not only a gigantic statue. It was rather a symbol of unity of the people who inhabited that beautiful Mediterranean island — Rhodes.
[7 Wonders]

He’s on it!  Really

Q Can you talk about what the President is doing over the next couple of weeks on health care, other than the town halls, that you know about, the sort of public events? But what kind of role is he taking in terms of talks with lawmakers, negotiations? What’s his — what’s his sort of game plan?

MR. GIBBS: Well, obviously — and I know you asked me in addition to or other than the town hall — I would note we are doing those over the next couple of days in Montana and Colorado. We’ll do some events not yet announced over the course of the next few days after that, and I do expect throughout both the congressional break as well as the time he gets to spend with his family, that there will also be some — continue to be calls with different lawmakers about plans for what happens when we come back in the fall and continuing to make progress.

Q Well, they’re on a pretty tight schedule, right — so they come back from this recess and there’s this September 15 deadline. So you take a day like today, for example, where there’s nothing on the schedule and it’s pretty quiet, at least publicly. Can you sketch out, you know, what portion of his day is he spending kind of digging into this, whether it’s calls to lawmakers, getting into the weeds –

MR. GIBBS: He’s met with staff here today on health care. I don’t believe — I have not seen any notification about member calls. Obviously he’ll get a chance, as we talked about yesterday, Senator Baucus will be in attendance at tomorrow’s town hall. I’m sure they’ll get a chance to talk about the progress and the talks that he’s having with members of the Finance Committee. And as I said, I assume those — I know those calls will continue, again, over both his and their breaks.

Q Well, he told Time Magazine he was spending, what, like — some portion of his day, every day, on health care — I can’t remember what quantity he put on it. Is that still true, say, over the next couple weeks, that he’s going to spend this big chunk of every day –

MR. GIBBS: Look, I — yes, I mean, look — well, I will segment out for his benefit that I do think that as he’s on vacation, he will concentrate on being on vacation. I do, though, assume — not assume, that’s the wrong word — I do know [assume?  know?  No?  Yes?  -  Mcat] that he will continue to talk to lawmakers as part of that. Obviously I think when he’s up — out of here, it probably won’t be as much as he has been doing when Congress has been in town, but there’s no doubt that he’ll continue to talk to folks. I know they talked about that just a little while ago.

Q At these town halls, does he feel like he’s winning any converts?

MR. GIBBS: I think he believes very strongly, as we talked about yesterday, that it is important to address misconceptions or misimpressions that have been left out there about the bills. I do believe that the President feels strongly that when he makes his case, it helps the case for overall health care reform. So I think he feels — he felt very satisfied with what happened in New Hampshire. He was able to address concerns that people have. I think he was able to take on, as I said, the misconceptions that had been out there in the legislation. So I think he feels like we have made progress.

Such energy… focussed discipline!  He’ll get it done… he and his.  They will.

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Tapper V Gibbs  (shorter version:  We Are Not In Trouble!  We’re not!)

Full text:

JAKE TAPPER:  Polls indicate that the American people are not — or a plurality of the American people are not with the president on health care reform.  He’s obviously trying to change that by campaigning.

ROBERT GIBBS:  Well, I don’t want to quibble with — I mean, again, I think…

TAPPER:  A majority of the American people are not with the president on health care reform, the bill that — the legislation he’s trying to get through Congress.  How would you say it?

GIBBS:  Well, I think if you look at — I think, not to mix networks here, but (pointing to Chuck Todd of NBC) I think if — I think your poll read…

CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS:  They disapproved — more people disapproved of the president’s handling of health care than approved, which I think is what Jake was talking about.

GIBBS:  OK, that’s clarified the question, because the reason I was quibbling with the phrasing of the question — not to get into the phrasing of polling — but in your poll, if you asked, just straight up, here’s what health care reform — here’s what you get, here’s what it costs, what —  the number was 58/38, something like that.

TAPPER:  Right.  Theoretically, they’re with what you think you’re pushing, what you say you’re pushing, but they’re not with the president.

GIBBS:  I don’t know if it’s theoretical, but — go ahead.

TAPPER:  The polls aren’t where you want them to be.  Would you quibble with that?

GIBBS:  On some of those questions, I would not quibble with it.

TAPPER:  OK….  Why not?  Why aren’t they working?

GIBBS:  Why are they — why do I not agree?

TAPPER:  No.  If the president is pushing for something that — that the American people when you poll independently support…

GIBBS:  Right.

TAPPER:  … why are they not with the president?

GIBBS:  Look, I think part of it is some of these misconceptions. I don’t doubt that.  I think they’re — I do think people have questions.  I think that’s why — I mean, the president isn’t out doing town hall meetings just for his health.  I mean, he wants to — I think he understands the need to address concerns or misconceptions out there. I think — again, I think the president, whether it’s the NBC poll, certainly other polling will demonstrate that people want to see health care reform this year. They want to see legislation that cuts costs.  They want to see legislation that provides accessibility of coverage, that has insurance reforms.  And that’s what the president will continue to talk.

TAPPER:  Is the fact that the American people are not with the president right now — does that indicate that this pushback, whether it’s the viral e-mail you guys sent out today, or the reality check Web site you set up or whatever, does it indicate that you’re pushback is late?

GIBBS:  I don’t think so. Again, I — I — largely because your question was based on polling — polling is a snapshot in time.  It’s — the debate continues and we’ll see whether numbers move or change as a result of the continuing debate.

BILL PLANTE, CBS NEWS:  But doesn’t the fact that you’ve started pushing back indicate that you realize that the initiative is in trouble?


GIBBS:  Well, one of the reasons we’ve pushed back is because of those misconceptions. Have some of those misconceptions contributed to the poll numbers?  I — I don’t doubt that.  But at the same time, I mean, there’s a little cause and effect here, but we’re not going to stop pushing back on the misconceptions.  Whether or not the polling shows one thing or another, the president, again, strongly believes that, and has for years, that it’s — it’s better to address what people’s concerns are and taken them on head on.

TAPPER:  Can I just ask one more question?  I’m sorry. The PhRMA deal — there’s been some confusion, I think, about what exactly the White House has agreed to with Big Pharma, what they have not agreed to. Could you clarify what it is, exactly, that the White House has signed off on, whether or not you feel that the Senate Finance Committee and Senator Baucus were up front with you guys about what he agreed to? And also do you think that this was done — whatever deal this was, was this done that was done in keeping with the transparency that then- candidate Obama promised?

GIBBS:  Yes. Well, we had a little — let me take the last part of that. I think the question a few days ago, something similar to this, which is, we discussed bringing people to the table.  We discussed making sure that stakeholders that are involved in health care are part of an agreement. Look, you can’t — you’re not going to get health care legislation without involving the hospitals, without involving those that provide medications, without talking to groups that represent doctors or patients or seniors, nurses, what have you.

And we’ve talked a little bit about the PhRMA deal.  You know, the Finance Committee and PhRMA agreed to $80 billion in cost savings, part of which goes to fill the doughnut hole for seniors as part of Medicare Part D, which I think we all know is, at a certain point coverage — coverage for the purchase of those drugs stops until you basically reach a catastrophic level and the coverage kicks back in. Then some of the — some of that additional savings would be used for health care….

TAPPER:  But PhRMA said — PhRMA said that the deal was $80 billion, that’s it.  No more.  They can’t give any more.  Yet, in Portsmouth, the president said that maybe you could get more.

GIBBS:  Well, maybe you could get more savings as a result of health care reform. [Maybe?  Maybe Not?  Fierce urgency of we don't know and we don't care  -- Mcat] I do not believe that the president meant we could take an $80 billion agreement and make it $95 billion.  I have — I’ve been fairly clear on that from here. I think as a result of the change in health care you can see health care costs and drug costs driven down.  That’s not to say we were reopening anything.

-jpt

Like Colossus, it stands til it falls.

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1. catnip - 13 August 2009

Why does Jake Tapper hate America?

marisacat - 13 August 2009

Isn’t htat hilarious?

And I have not even made it to the bottom of the full text briefing at the WH.gov.

Face down in the mud they are. And it all could have been so different! if only, if this, if that, if only, etc.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009
marisacat - 13 August 2009

Gosh she was raped in one of these big mind-numbing parking lots… which have been PROVEN to be dangerous, at times, and not properly monitored nor secured. Whose property is it? Not hers! Classic Wal-Mart parking lot issues.. unelss there is much here that is not known.

Marriott is big rich and Republican.. I hope the family sues.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

oh big rich Republican and MORMON…

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009

sick, isn’t it?

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009

Dean: “There Will Be Primaries” For Dems Who Vote Against Public Option

Former Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean fired one of the clearest warning shots at hesitant Democratic lawmakers on Thursday, insisting that if the party was unable to produce a health care bill with a public plan, there would be electoral consequences.

“I do think there will be primaries as the result of all this, if the bill doesn’t pass with a public option,” Dean said, in a phone interview with the Huffington Post.

The former Vermont governor added the caveat that he thought “cooler heads” would ultimately prevail and that a government run option for insurance coverage would be passed. But his remarks are some of the most threatening yet to be directed at Democrats from within the party.

Dean, who is a keynote speaker at the Netroots Nation conference at Pittsburgh this week, said he was “in favor” of holding recalcitrant senators and congressman accountable on health care related issues.

As he has done before, Dean criticized talk of substituting a government run program with co-operative insurance plans, calling the latter a “fig leaf.”

“This talk about co-ops is a political compromise it is not a policy compromise,” he said, of the discussions currently underway in the Senate Finance Committee. “And I think most people, on both sides of the aisle know that co-ops won’t work.”

Asked about a column by long-time Democratic strategist Paul Begala, urging progressives not to shy away from tackling health care in a more incremental approach, Dean shot back: “The public option is incrementalism…. But there is no incrementalism without the public option.” He explained: “If you don’t have a public option this bill is not even incremental, in terms of adequate health care reform… Paul is not entirely wrong. It is just that the last shred of reform is the public option.”

marisacat - 13 August 2009

He worked hard to bring us Ob. And Knob. And Snob.

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009

I thought “too little too late doctor” when I read it.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009

I listened to this today, it was horrifying: Folsom Embodies California’s Prison Blues

marisacat - 13 August 2009

it’s hard to decide which prison is worse in cali.

So bad. From St Quentin to Pelican Bay to Folsom… and then Chico where the riots just happened.

Thanks fo r th e link…

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009

I didn’t realize that Folsom had once been a model of rehabilitation. It’s tragic.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

I think quite a few prisons in California were once “models”. Even St Quentin, a hundred years ago. As it crumbles in front of us all………..

5. marisacat - 13 August 2009

Now we have “evil-mongers”.

6. BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

Gibbs:….”….I mean, the president isn’t out
doing town hall meetings just for his health…”

Well Robert, he sure as hell ain’t doin it for our health, either.
So Take a swim or somethin’, would ya?

marisacat - 13 August 2009

Gibbs is so relentlessly sub-standard.

BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

Then I should have sympathy for him but I don’t!
Helluva thing when sympathy from the substandard runs substandard!

There really is something to it too.. The disconnect at the top..Gibbs huaghtyiness reflecting the boss…totally misreading the patience in the hinterlands… the “Healthcare” a proxy for the demise of the nation, the people wondering who “cares” ….And clearly, now that the song and dance has worn off among Swing voters.(their REAL political prob, NOT the Birther/ Deather/ Socialist accusers.) The Swing vote is groking that the Snoboma Admin does. not. …..fill in the blank…”care”..”get it”..
or, (gasp) DIFFER.

….it’s what i was trying to get at before
Their “AF Won’d Chore” of actually having to go out before the Public while governing…very akin to the gobsmacked Bushites when Mission Accomplished wore off. And with none of the Fuck You Were In Charge.

Really flat footed in realizing they’re going to get walloped with Corzine, they could have pushed him out a month ago and made a race of it…Just stuck on Ob’s star power….Quinnipiac – one of the better records among pollsters IMO has Ob at @ 50…

14 points —FOOF! And “He’s only been in office…”
Yeh, well.
And Gibbs prattling on like the President is doing the public a favor by doing Town Halls.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

apparently the righties are glowing over Gibbs performance today.

Really stellar!

7. BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

I cited a Bloomberg piece on this the other day..
The NYT’s coverage tho…
has the :roll: ……?crotch? of the matter in the first graf..

Woman Tells of Affair With Madoff in New Book
By DIANA B. HENRIQUES and STEPHANIE STROM
Published: August 13, 2009

Hadassah, the Jewish volunteer organization, knew it had invested $40 million with Bernard L. Madoff by the late 1990s. It also knew it had taken more than $130 million from its Madoff accounts and still had millions on the books when the vast Ponzi scheme was revealed in December.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

Gee even I can read that and know: NET GAIN

8. marisacat - 13 August 2009

I put this quote up at the time, it’s from the Leonhardt interview with ObRama in the NYT in April… but of course it is popping up all over the rightie sites.

THE PRESIDENT: … I don’t know how much that hip replacement cost. I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement just because she’s my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill is a sustainable model, is a very difficult question. If somebody told me that my grandmother couldn’t have a hip replacement and she had to lie there in misery in the waning days of her life – that would be pretty upsetting.

LEONHARDT: And it’s going to be hard for people who don’t have the option of paying for it.

THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?

I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.

LEONHARDT: So how do you – how do we deal with it?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.

GOOD LUCK!

And they are linking to this which also came out last spring or a little earlier (as I recall), The IMAC panel… and recent letter in support from economists..
:oops: I went to WH.gov to get the Imac panel proposal and also a letter this week (or last) from economists in support of the panel. HA! link to the letter is disabled… and downloaded a big pdf on the panel.

TRANSPARENCY!!!!

marisacat - 13 August 2009

Here is Broder on the IMAC panel….

[O]bama’s proposal almost certainly would accelerate change in the way health care is delivered – and it might actually save money in the long run.

But Congress will have to decide if it is willing to yield that degree of control to five unelected IMAC commissioners. And Americans will have to decide if they are comfortable having those commissioners determine how they will be treated when they are ill.

CSTAR - 13 August 2009

What does his pastor think? Maybe pastors can do double duty adjudicating abortions and rationing health care.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

The head of his faith based initiatives, Josh Dubois would be happy to “volunteer”, I am sure. As soon as he is done making sure Ob has a meditation per day on his Blackberry (not kidding).

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 August 2009

In Illinois, Another Workers’ Rebellion Flares Up Against ‘Banksters’ Greed

Nine months have passed since workers at Republic Windows and Doors occupied their Chicago factory, demanded the severance and vacation pay owed them and ultimately pursuaded Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase to put up the funds.

It was heralded as a potential watershed in modern U.S. labor relations, and now is a natural time to ask what fruits that struggle has yielded.

There has not been an onslaught of factory occupations or worker uprisings. But there is at least one ongoing campaign that is inspired by, and in many ways parallel to, the Republic Windows action — a campaign that’s more wide-ranging and ambitious to boot.

That would be the “Roadblock to Recovery” campaign launched by Jobs with Justice and the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America (UE) union of Republic Windows fame, targeting Wells Fargo bank for failing to extend credit to struggling businesses after receiving federal bailout money.

Like Bank of America, Wells Fargo received $25 billion in taxpayer bailout funds last fall (Bank of America later received an additional $20 billion). Now the Roadblock to Recovery campaign is taking a page from the Republic Windows playbook and demanding Wells Fargo show taxpayers some ground-level results of their investment.

On July 9, a dozen UE workers from the Quad City Die Casting factory in Moline, Ill., blocked a road outside Wells Fargo’s local headquarters. About 100 employees in this industrial heartland city along the Mississippi River are likely to lose their jobs this month unless Wells Fargo, the company’s major creditor, extends financing until the company can find a buyer. The workers refused to leave the street until they were peacefully arrested and later paid $75 fines.

On May 11, the Quad City workers got notice that the 60-year-old company, which makes metal machine parts, would close on July 12. A Chicago-area management company, High Ridge Partners, is essentially running the company under a state law that facilitates liquidation without declaring bankruptcy.

10. BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

About the only thing relevent to report of
The Big DawgShit at Neutered Poodle Roots Pittsburgh..

Pittsburgh Post Gazette-

About 15 minutes into his speech, he was interrupted by a heckler who challenged him for signing the Defense of Marriage Act, which gay and lesbian activists regard as discriminatory.

“You know, you ought to go to one of those Congressional heath care meetings,” Mr. Clinton said, to laughter, but added that signing that bill was, in part, a way to sidetrack passage in Congress of a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

“I did everything I could,” he said, to promote gay rights while president.

And this, where ben masel shows his colors through the tie-dye—

Picket America’s Worst Prosecutor, Pittsburgh, Friday
by ben masel
Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:53:46 PM PDT

Bush holdover Mary Beth Buchanan’s office is just 4 short blocks from the Convention Center.

Shortly before Obama’s Inaugural she announced she wouldn’t resign.

First known nationally for locking up Tommy Chong, Buchanan gained further attention prosecuting a partisan witch hunt of former Allegheny County medical examiner Cyril Wecht, a case so odious that onetime Reagan Attorney General Dick Thornburg called for her ouster while Bush was still President.

Then he cites “The Examiner” out of Atlantic City.
A REALLY pathetic NJ Party Hack Bloggo Op

…and their story…

Dept. of Justice has inquiry of W.Pa. US attorney

I get it. Buchanan is a Republican. She Prosecuted Tommy Chong.
The tired Push Pull IMO of “Wasted Pothead” v PTB actually serving to
diminish the issue, serve the Drug Warriors and all who profit from splintering and caging the. going. nowhere. “debate”…
So Either Masel has no clue, or is no cool pot activist…

Buchanan is in the middle of investigating the Pgh Jewish Mafia side of Solomon Dwek’s money laundering from Brooklyn and NJ through PNC Bank in Pittsburgh. Where he was able to float 50 million in kited checks with somebody on the inside.. . And she has been at this for some time including the Adamov case.

But It was HER office who nailed Dwek and routed it to Marra, career DOJ, Registered Dem. Marra ran DOJ/USAO/NJ before Christie came and since he’s left… If it wasn’t for Buchanan , there wouldn’t be a Dwek as a Cooperating Witness, or the Political Gangsters on the run (for the time being) in Jersey… Thing is she’s had a long war with Lanny Breuer, during his revolving-door time in and out of office, his defending Israeli mobsters…. Breuer was the Bill WH Counsel snake …the Rubin/ Schumer tool who now runs DOJ as figurehead Holder’s Assoc Attorney General for the Criminal Division.

When Ob came in…They reminded her that she serves “at the pleasure of the President” . Wherein she all but told them to fuck off, she had work to do..Dweks $50 Million Dolllar Bust happened in 2006.

Now they won’t fire her given her poking around and how it would play ..well not yet at least…but if this is all the got??…a few
Poodle Neuter Rooters pushing a story about her dropping Wechts retrial (hung jury) AFTER they did the usual starve the troublesome of resources….

Well…
Yea! Go Protest Ben.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

oh imo Ben is such a fake. Superannuated Blahgger Boyo helper too. Beloved of Armando, once upon a time. Surprised he does not take his schtick to Talk Left. I mean they are so radical over there. And all.

BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

LOL.. An ole MB toka-shmoka, huh? LOL.

BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

LOL
Maybe they don’t have shit for these people to do.

Ooo Let’s go look at a mothballed Steel Plant.

A great follow up after Clinton. Too Funny.

BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

It is just too funny for words.
Blogger/ toker /ben wants to yell up at Buchanan’s windows
when she told POTUS to go fuck himself…LOL.

She’s made it very clear she is going to leave of her own accorrd when she chooses. Otherwise the President and the Attorney General of the United States will need to explain why they are scuttling her cases.

BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

If ever actually..
she is career DOJ since 88 Crim Div since 1992 LOL
could hop for big dough, doesn;t need it tho
Of course she prolly will eventually …
but it ain’t gonna be because Ben SmokeAPoodle was flickin roaches aloft from his beard towards her windows from the streets below.

ms_xeno - 14 August 2009

Ah, Big Bill. Once a hypocritical shithead, always a hypocritical shithead. Anyone who continually holds still for this kind of maltreatment from Democrats deserves what they get.

“Gosh. Last time I gave them all my money and all my votes and they slapped me around and said it was for my own good. I know! I’ll give them some more money and some more votes! This time will be different! I just know it!”

Oh, and anyone who hasn’t yet caught onto the fact that “Right-winger” is to Democrats and their doubters what “Terrorist” was last time around to the GOP and its doubters? Well, I’m amazed that anyone who doesn’t grasp this is smart enough to get the correct shoe on the correct foot in the morning.

11. BooHoo-Doob-Man - 13 August 2009

One more..

So they got big swinging balls, and we got……
….

ben.

LOL . I’m out.

12. marisacat - 14 August 2009

Meet the Press: Former Rep. Armey, Sen. Coburn, Former Sen. Daschle, MSNBC’s Maddow

This Week: Gingrich, Howard Dean. Roundtable with Gillespie, Brazile, Brownstein, Kornblut

Face the Nation: Robert Gibbs.

Fox News Sunday: Sens. Conrad, Shelby; AMA President Rohack, AARP’s Rothe

State of the Union: Sebelius

catnip - 14 August 2009

Face the Nation: Robert Gibbs.

Lullaby and good nite…

State of the Union: Sebelius

They’re actually allowing her to have face time?

13. catnip - 14 August 2009

Obama: I’m willing to be a one-term president over health care and energy – by I said GOOD DAY sir

I’m so proud of him. If he really said this, then I can barely speak and hardly elaborate I’m so moved.

“I’m a little verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves…”

14. catnip - 14 August 2009

Why isn’t Obamalama on my teevee today? The universe – it weeps.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Surprise visit to Pittsburgh with Howard Dean?
SOMEBODY has to fill in for Harry Reid this year.
Wherein it was written..

“There shall be no Democratic Teat that is Left…
Unsagged.”

catnip - 14 August 2009

Thou shalt not evil-monger.

I can’t see Obamalama going anywhere near Dean who’d probably tear a strip off him for being such a toothless wanker.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Well Howard would have a lot of backpedalling to do on ObLuv first..

/ close evil ..for now

ms_xeno - 14 August 2009

He’s in mourning for Les Paul. Well, that I’d understand. I mean, Les Paul, y’know…?

15. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Ugh. Clinton Slap down of Gays To APPLAUSE at
Neutered Poodle Roots.

Politico had it on the Front Page for Five minutes before yanking it down and pulling their HTML ready comment box normally available instead replacing it with one offering raw text only.. I was able to respond there but my comment with linkies

Here, on their GMAFB piece,

Bill: ‘New era of progressive politics’
By CHARLES MAHTESIAN | 8/14/09 12:40 PM

went like this…

I’m just hoping we get some fondue out of it…

#119
Aug. 14, 2009 – 12:18 PM EST

What a tired ole dick.that Liar Clinton.

And the phoney “Left” collection of small potatoes, Party Astroturfers, groupies, and lonely hearts just kissing his triangulating @ss now is really priceless….While their mucking down the perennial Half a Loafism…Gotta love these simps.

Dailykos doofs et al … all 1500 of them at Neutered Poodle Rooter–
well, all I can say is Good luck! Good Luck on that Health Care! Good Luck on “Bringing the Troops Home”.
Good luck growing an Economy after Clinton fulksteak Obama dutifully loaded his Administration with…every OTHER Clinton Fulksteak and summarily handed over the Treasury to the CEO’s…

So Good Luck, Bungholes.

Hmm. It looks like all of Joe Trippi’s sockpuppets stayed home tho.

For those that have the good fortune of having missed the “bleeding edge” of the “Left Wing” blogosphere”…LOL…

Some few years back, Markos Moulitsas partnered up with a stockpump and dump fraudster who was sanctioned by the SEC, one Jerome Armstrong.

They built their websites using the ruse of “sockpuppets”, multiple pseudonyms – deployed on a very large scale to make it look like their sites are heavily trafficked thus justifying own hype and inflated ad rates…

They leveraged that into consulting for the DNC and began “advising” campaigns. They are quite the con….base-mollifying propaganda and money raising mostly……… while being the “left ” wing mooks who take a dive on the “activist” front and serve as D-list spokesmen on talking head shows from time to time..

But Moulitsas scam is obvious. The claim of 200000 “hardcore” Democratic activists on his site alone is laughably inflated.. To wit, 1500 marshmellows show up for their Astroturfers Rock Star convention. Basically this small “convention” (Moose Lodge’s have bigger picnics) … represents an online collection of small time Democratic Astroturf chit chatters ,with a lonely hearts club and assortment of campaign groupies thrown in…

Besides , everybody knows, the genuine Left of the blogosphere reads marisacat instead.

Politico stripped the link to Trippi’s sockpuppet story at competitor HuffPo tho …but kept the ones to the fine horses and Kitties edging in along the rail…LOL

Anyways, Ben Smiths piece with the gay slap by Bill on vid wouldn’t allow links at all.
Small potato peeling I know ……but fuck ‘em.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

sorry this languished in Mod Pod for a while.. out now!

Oh yeah when I read how they laughed at the gay line… geesh. Such great guys, all 1500 of them.

16. catnip - 14 August 2009

Here’s change I can believe in (and swoon over).

That Cerk is quite the character.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Cenk is a good egg.

17. catnip - 14 August 2009

Here’s something for Specter’s resume: He “once finished second in a Washington celebrity stand-up comedy contest”.

I believe he won that after proposing the magic bullet theory.

18. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Abuse Victim alert!

Clinton went through hell with republicans. Now Obama is going through it. Here is a great article about the situation by Paul Krugman…..

Posted By: jimmy | August 14, 2009 at 01:45 PM

And I got beat up too!

BooHoo….didn’t you hear? You folks are the losers, and, the revolution took place in November. Deal with it.

Posted By: Buzz | August 14, 2009 at 01:31 PM

….He said bad things.. …He hurt my feelings.

Hey “Buzz” —LOL I’m the “loser” HAHA! How”s it workin out for ya ? That ‘Revolution” you’ve supposedly “Won”? With Obama, the Clintons, and Reid and every other Buhlshidt Artist of New Dem/ same as the OLD CLINTON DEM/ CAVE IN mold? yep BIG CHANGE there, buddy. So why don’t you wait till we kick Corzines ass out of New Jersey and get back with an Update on Obama’s Political Capital. Down to 50 already you know…So don’t **** yourself when the Third Way Neo Liberalism gets you GUANO….AGAIN. Ya Never learn these lessons do you? :::::: It’s soooo Funny. Out there at Neuterd Poodle Roots convention… :::::: One of the activities? Touring the Steel Industry MUSEUM. :::::: So ‘Buzz” — You lame excuse for Vichy pooh-stain you. Too funny ,you , ENJOYING the buzz-off …Just thrilled like a newbie rube cheerleader with a first set of Pom Poms and Falsies… ::::::: Yep so predictable…Buzz and the Poodle Neuter Roooters just fresh out of the Cabbage Patch , while Obama and the Dem Leadership handed the Treasury over to the very Wall Street Crooks – their donors , too, don’t forget — courtesy of Robert Rubin and Chuck Schumer… Enjoying having been punk’d, ah “Buzz” is it? LOL.Well…as always… Good Luck!

Wow! That Charles Atlas manual for blogging REALLY WORKS! LOL.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Again that’s from the Same piece on Politico’s coverage of Clintons Slap at Teh Gay

Somebody should just Rock him with a Shoe with Tomato insoles.

catnip - 14 August 2009

“I want us to be mindful we may need to take less than a full loaf,” Clinton told the crowd.

Shit is shit no matter how much you have of it.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

he is such an heroic figure!!!!!!!!!!!

catnip - 14 August 2009

Could be worse. He could have called you a “looser”.

ms_xeno - 14 August 2009

[snerk]

19. marisacat - 14 August 2009

Via The Page/Google News … can we fall farther?

Education Secretary Duncan joins forces with Sharpton, Gingrich to push cities to fix failing schools.

The trio will visit Philadelphia, New Orleans and Baltimore later this year.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

Lordy… it was a bright idea of Ob’s. We are blessed!

WASHINGTON — Education Secretary Arne Duncan is joining forces with two unlikely allies, the Rev. Al Sharpton and Republican former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, to push cities to fix failing schools.

The trio will visit Philadelphia, New Orleans and Baltimore later this year. They plan to add more stops as their tour progresses.

“These are cities that have real challenges but also tremendous hope and opportunity,” Duncan told reporters on a conference call Thursday.

The idea came from a meeting they had with President Barack Obama in May at the White House.

catnip - 14 August 2009

Larry, Curly & Moe do education.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

I was about to say, Can it get worse?

And realised they could ask Michael Vick to join them, for the sports angle.

20. marisacat - 14 August 2009

Tiny Revolution

[A]merican medications manufactured in New Jersey are between 35 and 55 percent cheaper to buy in Europe than in… New Jersey. Obama’s “historic” deal with Big Pharma will allow Americans to save how much? 50%, 30%, 20%? Answer: 2 percent. Greg Palast reports on another backroom deal between the White House and the American Hospital Association:

In all, the Obama back-room deal will “reduce” our $26 trillion total hospital bill over the next decade by one-half of one percent.

Regarding the deal with Big Pharma kingpins,

[they] did not actually agree to cut their prices. Their promise with Obama is something a little oilier: they apparently promised that, over ten years, they will reduce the amount at which they would otherwise raise drug prices. Got that? In other words, the Obama deal locks in a doubling of drug costs, projected to rise over the period of “savings” from a quarter trillion dollars a year to half a trillion dollars a year. Minus that 2%.

AND, from the Palast link above…

[W]hat else went down in Obama’s drug deal? To find out, I called C-SPAN to get a copy of the videotape of the meeting with the drug companies. I was surprised to find they didn’t have such a tape despite the President’s campaign promise, right there on CNN in January 2008, “These negotiations will be on C-SPAN.”

This puzzled me. When Dick Cheney was caught having secret meetings with oil companies to discuss Bush’s Energy Bill, we denounced the hugger-muggers as a case of foxes in the henhouse.

Cheney’s secret meetings with lobbyists and industry bigshots were creepy and nasty and evil.

But the Obama crew’s secret meetings with lobbyists and industry bigshots were, the President assures us, in the public interest.

We know Cheney’s secret confabs were shady and corrupt because Cheney scowled out the side of his mouth.

Obama grins in your face.

See the difference?

The difference is 2%.

21. catnip - 14 August 2009

So-called progressives in action:

I love Bill Clinton, but we all make mistakes. Sometimes we even are forced to do things we don’t want to. That’s why I was prepared to ask Bill Clinton a tough question last night as he delivered the opening keynote address at Netroots Nation 2009.

But it became clear there would be no questions. As I sat in the audience thinking about how Netroots Nation is about celebrating the most open forum of discussion ever to exist, it occurred to me that we were nothing more than a captive audience being talked to. One way communication was NOT what we were there to celebrate and advance.

As I considered this, I turned to my friend who had helped to formulate the question I wanted to ask and said, “I might just yell something out.” I couldn’t believe I said it. I mean, blogging and speaking my mind is one thing, but to yell it out in a large public forum to a former President of the United States is quite another.

He talked about a new progressive era and how America has changed. Yet, there was no reflection on how that change could undo some big mistakes from his Presidency. So, at the point that he said, “We need an honest, principled debate”, I knew I had to try to stimulate the discussion. So, I stood and said, “Mr. President, will you call for a repeal of DOMA and Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell? Right now?”

The immediate response shocked me at the time and still does. Those surrounding me yelled at me, booed, and told me to sit down. One elderly lady even told me to leave. While I was among the supposed most progressive audience in the country, they sought to silence someone asking a former President to speak out on behalf of repealing two laws that TOOK AWAY RIGHTS OF A MINORITY. I was shocked.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

What a fuckin mess, this kid ..
right down to the caged whimpering language..

his last few grafs-

Thankfully, he got around to the present. He made the strongest objection to DADT he has ever made to the best of my knowledge. He clearly called for the policy being changed. On DOMA, he spent much less time, but lamented its passage and doing a half-hearted kind of call for repeal, “I don’t like the DOMA”.

It’s not spectacular, but it’s progress.

Too often, we don’t challenge people to admit mistakes. Too often we hold idols up to a place they don’t deserve. Like I said, I love Bill Clinton, but we all make mistakes and live in a less than perfect world. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive for the perfect.

He mentioned in his speech that he admired that we bloggers could speak our mind. That’s what I did. In today’s world, a former President that has now said he supports marriage equality should find it easy to say without equivocation that he supports repealing two discriminatory laws that he felt he had no choice but to sign into law. He didn’t do that, but he needs to.

So, to the folks in the audience at #NN09, I just wanted to make sure he talked about two issues that mean a great deal to me and many others. (I didn’t know it at the time, but Lt. Dan Choi was in the audience.) I wouldn’t have yelled from the audience and interrupted if we weren’t being held as a captive audience.

But at the end of the day, I’ll take the heckler title if you all want to give it to me. The yelling at me is okay, too. Heck, I’ll even take the initial comment from the President that likened me to a health care town hall protester. None of it matters because a little bit of progress was made. President Clinton even came around later in his speech saying he was glad “that young man challenged me tonight”.

Oh my fuckin word- get this guy. CARE!

There is hope for our heralded former President to make those unequivocal statements that I was hoping for. Even more importantly, I hope that my fellow progressive movement activists will never sit in a captive audience and talk down to others who are working hard to advance progressive issues.

Yeh sure…Goin Back tonite?
Making “activist” sandwich boards out of doormats?

What part of
Shut The Fuck Up Faggot /Now Laugh At Him
don’t you understand?

What an utterly frivolous person.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

poor honey. needs solomon to split him in half. so to speak.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Whoops the quotes and html.. But Please LEAVE IT.
I have never read a more servile, mealy mouthed piece of mush in my life.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Okay whatev …LOL

marisacat - 14 August 2009

sorry I fixed it to fast!

I think it will be very hard to overturn DOMA, and it kills federal benefits utterly for gays… and there is no inclination whatsoever amongst mil leadership… whatever the Powells (now, that is!) and Shakasvilis (sp?) try to say… but among actual leadership, no desire ot overturn or even amend or ignore DADT.

We are, again, STUCK in concrete.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

We are, again, STUCK in concrete.

With a line of trucks ready to pour more

22. catnip - 14 August 2009

I clicked on the dkos Making Change Happen video on CSPAN and the room was empty! haha

Oh look – it’s Patrick Murphy. How exciting.

catnip - 14 August 2009

And it’s being led by Kagro X. Even MORE exciting!
:D

catnip - 14 August 2009

Okay…omg this is boring. I’m going to need mouth-to-mouth soon.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

chest compression team to the rescue!

catnip - 14 August 2009

No dirty fucking hippies in any of those videos. I’d rather watch paint dry.

I was watching the kick off the the NDP (New Dem Party of Canada) convention this afternoon and right off the bat when they were talking about the weekend’s agenda some members got up to the mics and dissed Obama luv among their party – calling him out for what he is: a corporate, war-loving status quo shill. (Not exactly in those words but close enough!)

The NDP is considering changing its name – dropping the “New” and just leaving “Democrat”. Oy vey. One of the members rightly asked why a party of social dems would even consider wanting to be seen as the US Dems’ red-headed stepchild.

marisacat - 14 August 2009

yeah I think the US ”big D Democrats” have utterly shot and killed the word, democrat

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

Nah – with all the partying going on they actually have
a designated dirrty fuckin hippy…Ben Masel.

Who happened to organize a field trip to venture proteesties..
Outside the building , down the street, around the corner , then ya jusssst keeeep going …four blocks away.

LOL.

Hi this is Ben- our Designated DFH.
Ben will be handling the weed , the screed , and NOW, some very fine t-shirts available commercially online…

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

LOL…I don’t know if you guys saw this but I did this video a year ago
Makin Change…

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2009

LOL. Then youtube blew out my sparring partner theory on Obama ,The Daleys, Rahm and the Clintons. LOL Holy Imagery violations! LOL.

And I did another one with Code Pink vid showing Hillary going ballistic and they canned that too after 20,000 views. LOL.
Can’t a one man evil doer get a break?

23. marisacat - 14 August 2009

gnu………….

LINK

………….. 8O ………….


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