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1. catnip - 23 August 2009

US ‘names secret terror suspects’

The US military has begun notifying the Red Cross of the identities of terror suspects being held at secret camps in Iraq and Afghanistan, US reports say.

Flashback to January: Obama signs orders to close secret prisons and Guantánamo

catnip - 23 August 2009

Maybe Lakoff helped out with the reframing…

Unlike the secret prisons run by the C.I.A. that President Obama ordered closed in January, the military continues to operate the Special Operations camps, which it calls temporary screening sites, in Balad, Iraq, and Bagram, Afghanistan.

An illegal shithole by any other name blah blah blah.

2. catnip - 23 August 2009

Chris Matthews: “The bloggers don’t fact check”.

Fact check on aisle 4!

3. BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

Sunday offerings Atop Huffpo:

Krugman: We Are In Economic “Purgatory”

Robert Reich: ”Best That Can Be Said Is We’re Getting Worse More Slowly”

Jeezis. Draggin the Catholics into it now.
Gee, I guess we ARE Fucked. LOL. “Purgatory” says Krugman And a definition of Hell from Reich if there ever was one.. …reminds me of the one about the two Jews in the College of Cardinals, who, shortly after white-smoking the Pope, they begin quarreling among themselves and want their vote back…LOL.

Pass the Ether.

catnip - 23 August 2009

Why do Krugman and Reich hate America?

It’s obvious that Reich’s a commie because everybody knows that only commies and wingnuts would show such unruliness in public: Robert Reich calls for ‘march on Washington’ in support of public option

The Sit on Your So-called Progressive Ass and Send Money Now! crowd must be absolutely appalled!

BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

LOL. Really …But didn’t you get the news , catnip?

Krugman is basically a dick
by mman
Sat Aug 22, 2009 at 08:56:02 PM PDT

catnip - 23 August 2009

Krugman: We Are In Economic “Purgatory”

For the Ukrainians amongst you, that’s Perogytory. (It’s a tastier kind of limbo.)

BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

LOL. Perogatory. Just LMAO. The perfect place for Couch Potato Activists. Available with Cheese and Carmelized Onions.

It’s so FUBAR.
The Bloginis who loved them ,Krugman, Roubini ,Reich … till they dared breathe a contrary word against the Holy Father.. Then the recent retreat …the recently reported retreat among analysts to give Ob some rosy space…then the retreat from… the retreat…

So fucked up: “Krugman is basically a dick”.
Well, we all are, basically… dutifully paying taxes to killers and thieves…

But That crap on a roll offering yesterday got 113 comments.

And while the rubes of Orange were arguing
over the relative Penis-itude of Krugman…
Clammyc’s Front Pager Spam fronted by Steve Sinsinger on How Swell things are looking for Corzine just died…
just.
fuckin.
DIED on the FP with a Bakers Dozen.

The Biggest Bellwether Race in the Country with Obama and the Dem’s Mojo on the line get’s a pass, well at least Clammy Adam Lambert C’s Astroturf did…..but “Paul Krugman’s a dick” sells.

LOL. Sinsinger for his part is at it again today …talking down the jumpers from the Front Page ledge -( wrt to the Party’s national prospects) …

Are The Dour Democratic Projections About 2010 Justified?
by Steve Singiser
Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 10:00:03 AM PDT

So it’s Man All The Spam Guns ! on DK …as slogging knee bloody deep though sheep entrails begins anew…

catnip - 23 August 2009

If you thought that diary was fun, pull out the cotton candy, sit back, and enjoy the show: Paul Krugman: “Obama is a god d@mn dirty liar”

by ” Mark Warner is God”, no less. ;)

catnip - 23 August 2009

lol

Embrace Krugman to what end? (7+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
skywalker, St Louis Woman, jalenth, vadasz, gramofsam1, amk for obama, moonpal

Krugman hates Obama more than Grassley does. I don’t recall Grassley making personal character attacks on Obama. If anyone has the character issue, it’s Krugman, who has demonstrated an unhealthy problem with Obama, an almost jealously of Obama. He wants Obama to fail, partly because Obama’s economic team rejected Krugman’s radical nationalization schemes. Remember the very arrogant Newsweek cover with a big picture of Krugman’s round head, saying simply “Why Obama is wrong”? Wow, the pure arrogance of that guy.

If Krugman wants to be “embraced”, let him stick to criticizing policies, rather than making personal character attacks. For once one does the latter, he has burned down the bridge.

by Escamillo on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 01:13:19 AM MDT

How DO they sleep at nite??

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

acolytes live in such a weird, closed off world.

BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

LOL. How DO they sleep at night?
Jeezis. I dunno, Especially when

{Summer Movie Trailer}

One Princeton Professor.
One Princetonian Spouse.
A Holiday House Romance …until…
Dr. FRIST blogged down their door.

Krugman…who has demonstrated an unhealthy problem with Obama, an almost jealously of Obama…He wants Obama to fail, partly because Obama’s economic team rejected Krugman’s radical nationalization schemes.

A mighty fine diagnosis, there, Dr. Frist. LOL.
It’s all one big Princeton Clusterfuck!!

4. marisacat - 23 August 2009

Pretty funny.. Tammy Duckworth on FOX with Chris Wallace…

5. BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

Breaking!!!
Ben Masel’s pander piece just hit the dailykos rec list!!

Feingold, Durbin to intro FISA, PATRIOT fixes
by ben masel

16 comments

No. No Coordinated Astroturf. All from the popular ground up there,
dody-yote dote dee-dough.

6. catnip - 23 August 2009

Nora the piano cat living the good life

LOS ANGELES — Nora the piano-playing cat is living the Hollywood life in Philadelphia.

Fresh from a Lithuanian concerto written just for her, the YouTube sensation gets fan mail by the bushel, has her own groupies and could be an addict if her owners ever forget to put the catnip away.

The five-year-old tabby’s latest cyber splash was Lithuanian conductor Mindaugas Piecaitis’ first composition, featuring Nora’s solo video performance in what he called his CATcerto.

The performance with the Klaipeda Chamber Orchestra on June 5 has become a web sensation at http://www.catcerto.com, with hits closing in on one million.

:D

7. BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

Oh keeping critics of Ob and the Pwogs at bay is a clusteruck of Princetonian Proportions, all right..

Hardy Har Harvardian even, right down to Stollers TownHouse buds and Network Server operators in New York and DC..

.I got word this afternoon there is yet another round of bannings and thread lockouts underway lest Markos’ Front at the incestuous amplification machine melts down. Top o the morning to the anonymous breacher at Vox Tel.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

hmm time ot purge… before the elections begin to heat up. Same as always, a few months in the first year following a GE, they permit wandering and complaining. Then the crack down.

And the blogs, Blahgs, lead the hapless and witless to the polling booth.

8. BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

Another chortle via HuffPo–

Ruthless New Pakistan Taliban Leader Revealed

With EVEN NEWER New and Improved Ruthlessness!
And Islamic-as-Hell-Sounding Name!

Hakimullah Mehsud: Ruthless New Pakistan Taliban Leader Named

But that’s not ALL, of course!!!
That Trrrrst Fav, The Apple Pie / Pancake Hat!

Different Administrastion. Same Jokes. Different Joker.

9. BooHooHooMan - 23 August 2009

Oh my. What is this?

Did Alec Baldwin

Alec Baldwin
Actor
Posted: August 17, 2009 10:24 AM
BIO Become a Fan

Michael Vick: Black Sheep or Scapegoat on Animal Rights?

…..oh…..JUST LIFT the latest Dennis Perrin piece
that madman noted yesterday???.

10. catnip - 23 August 2009

Man the pom poms!

Amazing – the number of kossacks who are now praising that crap that he wrote because, well, they like him…they really like him – now.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

The limits of US influence

If Georgia or Ukraine has a confrontation with Russia, there is not much the US can do. There are certain realities of geography that present military technology simply cannot overcome. They border Russia, and the US is far away.

American promises would be as valuable as the French assurances to Poland before the second world war. It is not well known, but France had pledged to launch an attack on Germany within 15 days of any German attack on Poland. Unfortunately for the Poles, the French promise was not serious. When Germany invaded, France declared war – and did nothing.

Placed in a similar circumstance, that is what the US would do – nothing. The US would do nothing because there is nothing it can do. Geography cannot be changed. In addition, American forces are now fully engaged. In order to increase troop numbers in Afghanistan, the US will have to reduce them in Iraq. Apparently, 200,000 American troops are now all that can be deployed in combat theatres at any one time.

For all the talk about the lone superpower, that number needs to be kept in mind. In Vietnam, the US deployed 500,000 in theatre at the peak, with a smaller population, and was not responding to an attack on its territory.

Today the US can deploy far fewer troops. Something has changed in American society. With defence spending increasing to fight wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, George Bush did not even propose a way to pay for the war, either through raising taxes or by cutting other expenditures. No war bonds were issued. The country just quietly accumulated debt.

A political judgment was made: the American people were told to go shopping. The war would not touch the general public. Only an honoured few would bear the burden.

The US did not take war seriously, but was not alone in underestimating the costs and complications of war.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

well… plus probably around 150K in paid paramilitaries. Myabe someday we will know th real figures…

AND in the midst of this horror, we put in 65K in troop numbers, of various sorts, in NO, that was the count 2 weeks post Katrina hitting. NG from several states, Coast Guard, army, marines, DEA, ICE… to say nothing of Blackwater and other private forces. Also 82nd Airborne, fresh from the battle field in Iraq…

AND some MEXICAN marines, along the MS coast anyway, they were photographed there (LA Times ran the pics). First time for foreign troops on US soil since 1848.

Sad to say I think we can subdue a lot, if we decide to do it.

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

we’ll thrash around and cause as much or more damage as the Brits did when their Empire collapsed.

12. marisacat - 23 August 2009

hmm they lost one from that little clutch who were watching the waves from the state park in Maine.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

7-Year-Old Girl Swept Out to Sea by Hurricane Bill’s Waves Dies, Maine Officials Tell the AP [8:41 p.m. ET]

For more on this and other breaking news go to ABCNews.com: http://abcnews.go.com?nwltr=bn

13. marisacat - 23 August 2009

HA! NY Post says WH wants Paterson to leave them out of his bitching.

w00t

14. marisacat - 23 August 2009

Daschle the Mole. Daschle the Insurance Operative.

Frankly, imo, who gives a shit about rowdy Town Halls. Pantomime and noise, sure… The Daschles do more damage, from within. Just think, he coulda been at HHS. Whew… SOO Lucky we missed htat bullet…

What a scream it all is!
:evil:

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

Looks like those saggy old Everlasts are down around his ankles:

Poll: Either GOP challenger could topple Harry Reid

Results released today show not only does Reid remain unpopular in Nevada, he would be clobbered in next fall’s election by either of two potential Republican challengers.

The poll has been bouncing around Washington today – other takes on the poll are available from Politico and CQ Politics.

The poll shows Reid being beat by 11 percentage points (38 percent to 49 percent, with 13 undecided) by Republican Danny Tarkanian, a real estate professional who has run twice unsuccessfully for public office. His father was the legendary basketball coach at UNLV.

If the matchup were today, Reid also would fall to Sue Lowden (40 percent to 45 percent, with 15 undecided), the chair of the state’s struggling Republican Party who has not yet entered the race. The former state legislator and television news journalist is expected to announce in the next few weeks if she will run.

The poll conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research for the Las Vegas Review-Journal, surveyed 400 Nevadans and had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percent.

Some pundits like to say the only poll that matters is the one on Election Day, and Reid has rarely had great numbers in the politically split state going into campaign season.

If they had half a brain between the lot of them the donks would drop him as Majority Leader.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

I just read today his son is dying in the polls as well, in some incipient effort to run for NV governor.

Gah.

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

that hack can’t get gone fast enough.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

The question is, do the R want to run against him. He and Ensign decided on a share the power game, a couple of cycles ago. They spot operatives and lower level electeds to each others stump stages… and carefully do not mount a strong challenger. One hting I DO like about NV is the political press in the LV Journal and the LV Sun… often good juicy reporting. Unlke the spoon fed baby press in the Bay Area… who mostly don’t even report on the local electeds, less they say the wrong thing. It is that bad.

It does seem some wrenches are flying in the air in the NV elections. Be interesting to see what comes up in the next election.

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

I think the Republicans are in such trouble there they’d just like a win.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

I think so too.. if they can rack up say 5 big wins, gov seats and senator names that are pretty well known, at least regionally, they would be officially BACK.

NY, NJ, VA, NV… I sort of doubt they can hold Cali on the R column, but who knows. And other states percolating along that I know nothing of as they don’t reach the level of national reporting at this point.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

This is the summer of Joe Klein, resurgent.

Last week I went to a cookout on the beach here with some old friends (Sausages and seafood, but no cocktail weenies!) Every year they do a cookout, and then a birthday party, and for years I’ve known that one of their guests was Joe Klein. I never mixed it up with him because, after all, well…the opportunity never presented itself and while I’m pretty aggressive in print no one really goes up to someone and picks a quarrel with them, do they?

Or maybe they do. Yes, I guess they do. I was standing at the cookout minding my own business when Klein started pontificating for the rubes on how “surprising” and “shocking” it was that Grassley, of all people, should have come out and endorsed the “death panels” lie. I walked up and said “why are you surprised?” [edited to remove typo] to which he, in best pundit debater fashion (never allow yourself to admit you were just posing!), shot back “who says I’m surprised?” I said “well, you did. You just started your lecture saying “Its surprising.”” Its not surprising, the republicans have nothing left to lose and nothing left to gain at this point outside of pleasing the crazy base and attacking Obama and the dems.”

We were off and running. He then said that its true the fringe republicans were “crazy” but perhaps no crazier than the “crazy left” under Bush. I thought he meant the “truthers” so I said “name me one person in congress or the Senate who was as crazy on any topic as these Republican senators and Congressmen who sign on to the birther and deather stuff are now?” Evading this question he said “well, Glenn Greenwald is crazy—he’s a civil liberties absolutist.” Now, me, I come from a long line of civil liberties absolutists so I said “I admire Glenn Greenwald’s work immensley but it must be very embarrassing for you, of course, because he’s been eating your lunch for years.” (!) I think this must be something of a sore point for him. He began shrieking “Glenn Greenwald is EVIL! EVILl!..do you know what he did? He “sicced” his blog readers on my EDITOR and she was going through a DIVORCE at the time.” Really? I said, politely, that was very wrong, if it happened.

“We kept it very quiet” he said, backing off the claim of any real harm and, as a twofer, managing to imply that only those “in the know” had been kept informed.

People around us were clamoring to know what the debate was about so I laid it out, chapter and verse: I explained the Klein was upset because he had been caught out shilling for the Republicans on National Security Matters and on the FISA court legislation in particular and that he was still upset because he’d been held up for ridicule for his absurd statement that there was no problem with the secret Bush programs although he didn’t know anything about them. And that this extended to the actual retroactive FISA legislation, which he also said was fine but didn’t know anything about. This seemed to inflame things somewhat. Can’t see why. He began shrieking at me that he hadn’t been wrong, he’d been misled by a “democratic staffer” but really, I just began laughing at that point because “I didn’t read the legislation” like “the dog ate my homework” is rather a lame explanation for a grown man, let alone a self described journalist.

I re-iterated that I was a big admirer of Glenn’s work and that he had just received the I.F. Stone award for his excellence. That really got Klein’s goat and he started screaming that he had been one of Izzy’s readers for years and that Glenn was no Izzy, that he was crazily anti-national security which Izzy wouldn’t have been, and at any rate I shouldn’t talk about things I don’t understand and I should realize that Klein has been on the right side of every argument since the Vietnam war. Yes! I should read his stuff on the Vietnam war!”

I said that I was, in fact, one of his readers—that I read his column and his blog and that it was precisely because I did know his history, in detail, that I accepted Glenn’s critique of him, which of course has always been extensively documented and linked. And then, in what might be the piece de resistance of this little interaction, he screamed “you don’t read me! You read WIKIPEDIA! AND THAT’S LEFTIST.” He then added that he had always been anti war and that I should “read his [Klein's] stuff from 1993.” Hmm….1993, were we at war with Iraq then? I rather thought that was a different time, and even a different president. I take it that the rationale behind that bizarre interjection is that, as far as Klein is concerned, most of this is really old history at this point and what he really wants to be talking about is health care reform.

After this the e discussion, such as it was, devolved into the usual journalistic posturing and ranting against “those bloggers” who “don’t do research” and who “don’t have editors.” (There were many other well respected journalists at this dinner but they don’t deserve to be dragged in here) to which I responded “jeezus christ on toast points you can say that to me after it came out today that John Solomon, then of the Washington Post, was writing fawning letters to the White House explaining to them how he could spin the US attorney scandal anyway they wanted? And hellooooo? Judy Miller?”

Heh

marisacat - 23 August 2009

Klein was upset because he had been caught out shilling for the Republicans on National Security Matters and on the FISA court legislation in particular and that he was still upset because he’d been held up for ridicule for his absurd statement that there was no problem with the secret Bush programs although he didn’t know anything about them. And that this extended to the actual retroactive FISA legislation, which he also said was fine but didn’t know anything about.

Etc.

yup.. they all have so much dirty laundry… doing things not disimilar (playing to the noisy seats flicking the peanut shells) from Grassley. I mean, I offer up Daschle.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

hmmm as to “read my stuff”… I wonder if he means “Primary Colors”. Parts of it were quite nice prose writing. And so what.

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

and Klein is anti-war and “objective” when it’s a pretzledent he doesn’t like … probably one not “pro-Israel” enough.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

I do love it when that sort blows up in public. He was on with Matthews this am. A regular troop of tired and worn outs. Woodward of Wapo, Gloria Borger, Tina Brown and Klein. If only they had physically congealed in full view… I would have been entertained.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

Joe Klein cocktail party smackdown in moderation I think.

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

Why Health Care Is Not Like Groceries

The doctors and nurses I deal with on a near-daily basis are absolutely astonished whenever I don’t know something, like if a test result is what you’d call normal or what some number might indicate or even in what order certain procedures are done and how many times. They look at me like teachers who are pissed I haven’t studied for their tests.

And, yes, I have the time and wherewithal to seek out information (except the medical Internet is bonkers, which is another post, plus dammit sometimes I just want them to do their jobs and tell me what I need to know) but what if I didn’t? What if I didn’t have a job that was flexible in its hours so I could get to appointments which are whenever the doctor feels like it, what if I didn’t have the time to research things and call friends and get second opinions and really be in charge of this myself? Not everyone can, and we have designed a system that is basically made to weed out the old, very sick and easily frustrated, to shove them into underfunded emergency rooms because if they can’t deal with the constant hassle they just wait until they can’t wait anymore.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

They look at me like teachers who are pissed I haven’t studied for their tests.

Boy, is that the truth. MANY of them have abdicated their jobs. The offer choices with no information, no considered medical opinion and ask what do you want to do.

I remember when my mother first crashed, crashed BIG, the ER saved her life basically. But the dr, her dr not the ER doc, looked at me and said, do you have any questions. And fortunately my cousin (and her husband and my mother’s sister) were there, and my cousin said, Maybe you could let us in on what the questions should be.

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

every question that you might otherwise ask flies out of your head in those situations with doctors, and even when you’re involved in a longtime health situation, you have to write down questions ahead of time or you’ll forget them again.

19. artemis54 - 23 August 2009

St. Dana of the Rigors, blessed be his healing powers.

marisacat - 23 August 2009

oh too funny! Thanks for the link

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

Oh, shit, we’re succeeding!

Apparently, success breeds the desire to stop the success these days. Earlier this week, JetBlue announced it would be discontinuing its “All You Can Jet” sales as a result of a high demand. The company decided that in selling additional passes, it might make it difficult for people to get seats, so they put out the fire on the hottest promotion in air travel. The underlying idea, of course, is that it was costing the company money because every seat you have to give away after the pass has paid for itself is one fewer seat that you can’t sell. And, since seats are a finite resource on planes, despite the airline industry’s best efforts, well… You get the idea.

The “Cash for Clunkers” program has also met a similar fate, with the government announcing the plan would end on Monday after dealers reported that the plan had exceeded their wildest expectations. Dealers had also been grousing that they hadn’t been paid by the government for the $4,500 outlays they’d made on about 80 percent of the cars. (A company pissed off because IT has to wait for a rebate… The irony is so thick, it’s delicious.) I have no idea how dealers weren’t ready for this as a) no one was buying anything until this program came along, b) they’re always on the air wearing anything short of a clown suit, screaming about how people need to rush out and buy their crap and c) with the cost of gas still sitting in the $2.60 range, people would likely be happy to trade in a guzzler for something better. (The first car I drove as my own was Dad’s 1979 Ford Thunderbird, which got gallons per mile instead of miles per gallon. When the Gulf War jacked the gas up to $1.80 a gallon, I nearly died.)

Here’s a news flash for corporate America: People like cheap/free shit.

Thus, if you plan to offer a promotion that is pretty much a giveaway of any sort, get used to the idea that people will gluttonously consume your product. Gear up and get ready for it. You also need to not whine so damned much when people actually do take advantage of it. I was in the store a few months ago and found a sale on something I use a ton of. I had a place to store the extra, so I filled my cart with the stuff. The sign noted “No limit” so I figured I was good. When I got to the cashier, she gave me this look like I was stealing stuff. “That’s a REALLY good deal, you know…” she said, with that sense that she wanted to say “Maybe you should let OTHER people get some too…” Uh… No… I wanted it, I’m paying for it, you set the rules, I’m abiding by them. This isn’t like insurance fraud or something. If you didn’t want me to have the stuff, don’t sell it. Otherwise, shut up, ring me up and let me get another cart.

When we are put in a position of having to buy something at the ascribed price because we need it (think gasoline), we have no recourse. They set the price and we have to cope or we don’t get the stuff. In the minds of those with the business, it’s fair. Why is it that when the tables are turned through their own miscalculations, we are viewed as being the bad guys? Is it that we don’t have a bogeyman like OPEC behind us that we can blame for our actions? Or is it that people who are usually in control just don’t like being depantsed?

marisacat - 23 August 2009

I thought the Jet Blue offer was a good deal… how could they miss it would sell like hot cakes. There have been similar promotions in the past, books of special fare tickets and the like. They should have known it would go over very well.

Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

bidness types always seem clueless and blown away when the rubes don’t act completely in line with their business plans.

Hell, the music business STILL doesn’t get that people think the shit they churn out isn’t worth $18+ and album.

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 August 2009

an interesting tidbit from the Greenwald piece that first led me to the Joe Klein fun above. Scahill reports to Greenwald:

UPDATE: According to Scahill (via email), Todd approached him after the Maher show and the following occurred:

Right as we walked off stage, he said to me “that was a cheap shot.” I said “what are you talking about?” and he said “you know it.” I then said that I monitor msm coverage very closely and asked him what was not true that I said on the show. He then replied: “that’s not the point. You sullied my reputation on TV.”

Media stars are so unaccustomed to being held accountable for the impact of their behavior — especially when they’re on television — that they consider it a grievous assault on their entitlement when it happens.

22. marisacat - 23 August 2009

hmm LVRJ has a piece up on the Reid vs whoever in NV… and it mentions unemployment is pushing 13%.

If Reid, with Ob-lation in the WH, cannot deliver jobs to NV, I would guess he is going down.

And I don’t see Miss Nancy and her cadre (Miller, Eschoo, Barbara Lee, Woolsey etc, Dem mayors, etc) really helping the Bay Area to be frank. The 9 counties cover the range for the state, excepting for highest and lowest unemployment. One county at 13, another co at 17 and last I looked for SF City and Co it was around 10.

Good luck Dems.

23. marisacat - 24 August 2009

gnu thred….

LINK

……………. 8O ………………..

24. War zone « Marisacat - 25 August 2009

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