War mincing – election mincing – abuse mincing … all the same damned thing. 21 October 2009
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Pakistan, WAR!.trackback

A trio of triplet policemen. New Jersey, 1981
Michael S. Yamashita / National Geographic /NG Gallery at UK Telegraph
hmm Jersey cops… I see they are sending Ob into NJ for Corzine. I assume the CW on the street is that Corzine squeaks out a “win”.
Carry on… what else to say. What waits for Corzine? A sex scandal (and they are so dreary, as they keep rolling out)?? … a pay-for-play scandal (more drear)? Union bagmen scandal (dreary!)? Another union babe mini scandal (double drear!)?
I can hardly wait…….. not.
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More (late in the day I posted a long comment in the last thread) of the Jane Mayer New Yorker interview which IS online, unlike her big article on the great expansion of drone sorties over Pakistan under The Peace Prize (those poor fucked up Norwegians).
How does the continued collateral damage from Predator drones square with General Stanley McChrystal’s order to the military to lay off the air strikes in Afghanistan and avoid civilian deaths?
Well, you could argue it either way. There is less collateral damage from a drone strike than there is from an F-16. According to intelligence officials, drones are more surgical in the way they kill—they usually use Hellfire missiles and do less damage than a fighter jet might. . . . .
Oh, let’s have some more of that…
If the C.I.A. doesn’t have experience killing people, who is piloting the drones?
It doesn’t take as much talent or experience or training to pilot a drone as it does to pilot a real plane. The skills are much like what you need to do well in a video game. And the C.I.A. has outsourced a lot of the drone piloting, which also raises interesting legal questions, because you not have only civilians running this program, but you may have people who are not even in the U.S. government piloting the drones.
You mention in your piece that drone pilots, who work from an office, suffer from combat stress.
Someone sitting at C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Virginia, can view and home in on a target on the other side of the world with tremendous precision, even at night, and destroy it. Peter Singer, who wrote a book on robotic warfare, said that cubicle warriors experience the same stress as regular warriors in a real war. Detached killing still takes a tremendous emotional toll inside our borders. . . . .
Weep for them. Copiously.. so it gets noticed.
Meanwhile, keep breathing while waiting for The Big Transparency from The Peace Prize:
What would the outlines of a more transparent drone program look like?
Michael Walzer, the political philosopher, has noted that when the United States goes about killing people, we usually know who they can kill and where the battlefield is. International lawyers are calling for a public revelation of who is on this list, where can we go after them, and how many people can we take out with them. They want to know the legal, ethical, and political boundaries of the program.
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Update via TimesOnline on the Catholic M&A, LBO, whatever it is, of the Anglican dissidents.
Good comment from the thread…
Ros Roberts wrote:
You’re an Anglican? You want to become a Catholic? Nothing easier: all you have to do is completely change what you believe in: take on board transubstantiation, Papal infallibility, purgatory, things like that.
But if that is so easy for these people, why don’t they simply decide to believe that women are people too and can be bishops too?
October 21, 2009 9:28 PM BST
Farther down (at the bottom, actually) on the FP of the Times is this further story rising from the Irish Revelations… as the chapters and verses continue…
[T]he facts of Kathleen O’Malley’s life would probably not have been believed ten years ago, not before the dam finally burst on the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.
A long-awaited report into clerical abuse in the Diocese of Dublin is expected to be published this week and bishops are bracing themselves for another round of public anger. It will be a horror story of how known paedophile priests were shunted from parish to parish by their religious seniors. The number of children who suffered as a result of the Church’s cover-up could run into thousands.
It will also be another shattering blow to the moral authority of an institution that once ruled Ireland with an iron rod, following hard on the heels of the Ryan report, an independent tribunal that concluded in May after a decade of evidence-gathering that there had been “endemic and systemic” sexual, physical and emotional abuse of hundreds of thousands of Irish children in residential institutions run by religious orders. Four years ago, when Kathleen first told her story in her memoir, Childhood Interrupted, there were plenty of cynics around who were prepared to cast doubt on the extraordinary tale of suffering inside a system that seemed akin to the worst excesses of a totalitarian regime. . . . . .
What “blow to the moral authority”? Where is that blow?
As a mirror to the concrete entombment of the so-called political class (withhold the vote, FFS!) the ONLY thing the Church responds to is LESS MONEY in the collection plate and, FFS, withhold the children.
People won’t do that… They continue to fork over (really) the children to an abusive system. With or without ritual sexual abuse.
[T]hat is small consolation for Kathleen O’Malley. “I don’t know at what point the religious gained their power, but they had total power and autonomy to do as they wanted. We were brainwashed to say that we were well-looked after.”
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She is scornful of the progress Ireland is making towards righting these heinous wrongs. “They say they now want to put up a monument to all those who were treated badly. They had a garden party with the President of Ireland, to which around 130 victims were invited, but I wasn’t and neither were thousands of others. And that was like my evidence to the Ryan commission, which was ignored. I was never given the opportunity.” . . . .
What “blow to the moral authority”? Where? From whom?!













I guess I owe Kathleen Sebelius an apology – it turns out she had a little skin cancer removed. How the hell was I supposed to know? It looked like she came in third place in a hatchet fight.
The foreigners did it to us. We are absolved!
it sure is nice living in a country with a functional health care system and domestic vaccine manufacturers.
yes…. Arne Duncan’s triumphant statements of a few weeks ago of vaccines distribution in ALL the schools … has gone to radio silence.
San Jose had planned to free vaccinate in the schools (it seems every county had a different plan, not that it matters now) and has had to abandon that …. LA planned a series of free vaccination events open to anyone, abandoned.
Etc.
Yes Arne and Ob are curiously silent… they send out Dr Schuchat… a number 2 or three at CDC I think, to make the “we can’t…”, “we don’t … ” announcements.
A child died in Vallejo on Monday…
the whole shouting match about people refusing to get vaccinated seems a little moot if the govt can’t get the damn doses out to those who want ‘em.
oh I agree…. as I saw it the media was used to really ram it home to parents who have issues with the vaccine…. esp as a few docs/pediatricians who say (in their opinion) the course of the illness has so far proved too mild to feel pressured to take the vaccine.
Those few docs are nowhere to be seen this week. LOL… and i have read that pregnant women are not lining up for it, but the ptb are not anxious to brow beat them in public.
And right, where is the vaccine? Not that things cannot get complicated (producing millions of vaccine) but Ob and Arne and others crowed about it all just a couple fo months ago.
The head of the CDC lost it a bit on camera today…
GOOD LUCK!
So, per the the Turley in the last thread, would Ms. O’Malley be in trouble for attacking a religious institution for pointing out their systematic applying of their fleshy rods to the defenseless bodies of children?
I am guessing she would be.
Silber on Obama’s comments about Donks being an “an opinionated bunch”, but now it’s time to shut up and go along:
I found those comments of Oblation’s beyond irritating. As were his here at the St Francis… and in NY at the fundraiser.
One of the thinnest artifices going, for decades, is that Republican base is deluded and Dem base is wise and good.
Everybody got a full plate of ‘Shut up and lie down and crawl to follow’.
it’s Bill’s old “first you fall in love, then you fall in line”, from the 2003 Harkin steak thingaroo in …. where ever he comes from. Iowa?
variations on the same theme, over and over again.
It’s kind of sweet how the Lib Dem Blahgers pretend to catch on.
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can’t have Grandpa wandering off in a haze
Rape as a pre-existing condition.
Winter Patriot
They can’t even count votes.
Republicans have spent several days making Stabenow and others look like fools as they blithered along over this bill. It was bound to pick up someone like Feingold agaisnt it, as it was a mess of a bill.
Think the bill needs a script doctor. As does Dem leaderslop
NJ ..Ob… Corzine
Interesting the way WaPo has it on offer tonight on their FP
I’ve been dumping a lot on NJ dot Corezine..
I did drop this into the Politico thread tonight.
Oh and note–credit where credit is due..LOL
LOL I wholly expect to influence the outcome of the race.
Hopefully NOT the way I called the NY Sen nom for CKS. LOL.
Meanwhile, they are going to hammered in Virginia.
What does the Tell You?
HONEYMOON OVER. Where’s the CHANGE OBAMA? Tsk tsk tsk. Campaigning for Wall Street Pillagers.
The Macker and Bill C got barely a few hundred in a cramped and stuffy room at a DNC hq in NORTHERN Va… think it ws Sunday night or Monday. No VA was supposed to be bluer (Peoples’ Republic of Arlington and all that) than purple (they wish) “rest of the state”. Didn’t last long.
Good luck!!
No word on crowd size but the pics for Obs venue showed a smaller gym.I’m at that point where I lose what little objectivity I have left…I’m just all about whatever Heel is in, knock him out..Is it me or does that WaPo sound like the WH is lowering the expectations?.Seems very concilliatory over Corzines weakness. One tid I thought was funny from Vick in WaPo was characterizing Hope for Corzine based on a grimacing clergyman and women chosen as backdrops ON STAGE..
They were also pushing the Martin Jack and Bobby thing heavily today …Some security guard up at the airport detained for threats..
when I read about the airport security supposedly or allegedly threatening Ob…I wondered if the plan is to advertise a threat from within a state, every time they drop him in.
It gets old.
The incumbent, a multi-millionaire who served with Obama in the U.S. senate, remains saddled with approval ratings in the low 30s and his association with the state’s property taxes, which are historically high but especially galling to homeowners when the housing market craters.
Oh please? They served together in the senate. What a joke.
If Corzine loses then Ob ws dropped into NJ as part of the overall government deal wtih G-Saxe. It was demanded.
as GS will have a Governor and a President..either way..
NYT has a blip on it
3 thousand in a gym…
Hoping to spare his party an embarrassing defeat….But Mr. Obama told a crowd of more than 3,000 at Fairleigh Dickinson University…
One other thing tho..
the Independent wimmens aren’t flocking to Dagget.
The issue is the two million Independent and unaffiliated voters.
People like me come out with any force, on current Splits…
Corzine and Ob get slapped..
Crickets as to what’s going on between the Dem Machine factions..Codey v the S. Jersey crew who toppled him last week as Sen Pres in Trenton…
That’s it on the NJ..
Today’s award for Biggest Ego Du Jour goes to:
Set to implode in 5, 4, 3, 2….
“Chat” = Send Money Now!! (of course)
he’s already so fluffy and huge from his small little bit of notoriety. Soon to turn to a monster no doubt.
I did some diggin on his bio …
his Tech Start up , a Tel Com runup….sold to Liberty Media..All the right VC at the right time…He’s in an R+5 District around Orlando..The Congressman from Disney..among other fantastic international locations..
Best communications operation going… A total Scam.
But hey – he’s Newish!
Grayson? Oh yeah I never bought into his showy game. But the lib dem blahgers sure did, as in Send Money Now!! Or Krakatoa will blow!
Things are moving right along…. I hear Minister Farrakhan has said the schweine flue vaccine is devised to kill people. Cancel extra lots to be shipped to Chicago! I guess!
And Rush ran a clip of Andrea Mitchell chiding (“you don’t want to go there senator”) which ever senator drew the comparison of Obama WH to Nixon Tricks WH.
More Entertainment! More Popcorn! Focus the Opera Glasses! Count the fleas on the moving bodies in view!
YUM!
Jeralyn has a short post up on the new approach to Medical MJ.
HOWEVER, one thing I noted a couple fo days ago when this bone to the left rolled out… it was also announced that the raids, arrests and so on earlier this year on Med MJ facilities and small growers will not be dropped.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
Nasty little story of Big Pharma moves in congress last summer. Great that Ted K is dead and tids can dribble out.
Yup fought for health care for 40 + years… Holding the hand of the likes of Amgen.
AND according to the article, Waxman, who wanted shorter term of exclusivity on Biologic drugs (5 years) tried for a voice vote, but Eshoo pushed for roll call, so Pharma could have a list of who voted with them.
Vote, vote early and often.
Such a pity we have Feinberg back… on top of everything else. And already, he hands out EXEMPTIONS for bonuses, and at AIG — of all places.
Hail the Palace Monarch! It never changes!
Don’t miss the reason why…
Franken’s Anti-Rape Amendment May Be Stripped By Senior Dem, Sources Say
I want bigger majorities. 370 in the house and 75 in the senate.
Don’t think I am going to get it tho.
media likes to call Inouye, basically an elderly authoritarian, a liberal. Think it goes with the territory of having served, as a token, on the Watergate Committee.
always struck me as just another warmongering authoritarian …
Elizabeth Warren about why she accepted the job in DC.
Yes. Well. ~ Bigger Majorities~
LOL.
What the hell is the “Robust” Public Option???
Poor McJoan.
Marketing the nonexistant “Robusto” like it’s some
overwhelmingly satisfying Gigundo Burger on offer for a limited time only. Cooked up by…and to be enjoyed with…
. ..your Imaginary Friends!!
Fuckin ridiculous. Aw, Joanie…Think of it when you have that Heart Attack while choking on it.
Always with the modifier, too..The “Robusto” PO, where, in the eye of the beholder…it can be argued> its almost / pretty much / about like that line in the sand drawn by the fluffers this summer..Like “Hunter”..
Repeatedly…LOL
He means it. He Really REALLY Does This Time™..LOL.
Until its time for him and his still_with_it Donks to
chow down on “The Rubusto” .
Poor FORAGER …hunting around in an empty burger box.
They done boosted The Robusto.
Oh and McJoans “Action” Piece??
5 sentences and a phone directory…
to you know..make that call!
They’re such fools – thinking it’s a democracy.
hey hey…
You have to admire how contained their “rage” is.
And how easily their rage turns to blanket endorsement.
Major denial: (UK) Immigration judges: ‘Afghanistan is not in a state of war’
hmm.
The ruling on Wednesday prevents them from arguing that the country is a dangerous place.
Takes the cake. It really does.
Moving right along…
gnu
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