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Holy! 12 March 2010

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements, Europe, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Italy, Sex / Reproductive Health, Viva La Revolucion!.
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FILE – This is a Monday, Sept. 28, 2009 file photo of a Czech activist as she laughs with inflated condoms during a protest against Pope Benedict XVI’s policy not using condoms in downtown Prague, Czech Republic. The Pontiff was on three-day visit to the Czech Republic. A Rome high school has incurred the ire of the Catholic Church after its decision to install condom-vending machines for students. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the pope’s vicar for Rome, has criticized the decision as trivializing sex, while the Italian bishops’ newspaper said Thursday March 9, 2010 that sex was being reduced to “mere physical exercise.” The Keplero high school said it would go ahead with its plan to install six vending machines as part of its efforts to educate students in sexuality and HIV protection. The Vatican opposes artificial contraception. (AP Photo/Bela Szandelszky)

The church is all in a lather (ahem!) over a school in Rome installing a condom vending machine…

Vatican criticizes condom machines in Rome school

By ALESSANDRA RIZZO (AP) – 1 day ago 

ROME — The decision by a Rome high school to install condom vending machines has set off a storm in Italy, with the Catholic Church charging the move will encourage young people to have sex and Rome’s mayor saying it sends the wrong message. 

But the Keplero high school vowed Thursday to go ahead with its experiment, billed as the first in the capital. While it’s a relative novelty for Italy, schools in several other European countries have installed the machines in hopes of curbing teen pregnancy and HIV. 

“This is not about stimulating the use of condoms or intercourse,” Antonio Panaccione, the school headmaster, told The Associated Press. “On the contrary, it’s about prevention and education.” 

The school plans to install six vending machines as part of educating students about sexuality and HIV protection. The price: euro2 (US$2.70) for a pack of three, lower than market prices. 

Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the pope’s vicar for Rome, said the decision trivialized sex. He said it “cannot be approved by Rome’s ecclesiastical community or by Christian families who are seriously concerned with the education of their children.” 

The newspaper of the Italian Bishops’ Conference said Thursday that sex was being reduced to “mere physical exercise.” The newspaper, L’Avvenire, lamented that young people these days have no spiritual guidance on sexuality, and that educators are more concerned with “the health and hygiene consequences of sex” than its moral implications. 

The Vatican opposes artificial contraception. Catholic teaching views sex as a means for procreation within marriage. 

Pope Benedict XVI drew criticism from European governments, international organizations and scientists last year when he said distributing condoms was not the answer to Africa’s AIDS problem, and could make it worse. He said a moral attitude toward sex — abstinence and marital fidelity — would help fight the virus. 

“The scandal is that we do it in Rome, because this is the city of the pope and therefore one can’t really talk about sex,” Panaccione said in a phone interview. “They can talk about pedophilia, can’t they?” he said, referring to a sex abuse scandal rocking the Roman Catholic Church in several European countries. 

But some criticism came from outside the church, too. 

A leading association of parents, MOIGE, said the move was “trivial and insufficient.” Rome Mayor Gianni Alemanno, a conservative, was quoted by the ANSA news agency as saying that “on the one hand it’s childish to think young people need these vending machines, on the other hand it seems like a bad message to them.” 

The head of Italy’s national association of Catholic pharmacists, Piero Uroda, suggested condoms were responsible for increased rapes and violence. 

“We’re giving sugar to the diabetic,” he told Radio 24 Il Sole 24 Ore. 

Panaccione said condom distribution was only part of the sex education curriculum. The school enrolls about 860 students aged 15-19 at two venues — one in a lower-middle class neighborhood, one in a blue-collar area. 

Panaccione said the decision was taken because of the rising number of HIV cases among young people, and to break a taboo still surrounding the use of condoms in Italy. 

LILA, a national association for the prevention of HIV/AIDS, said distributing condoms could help combat HIV among the young. 

Teen pregnancies have been on the rise in Italy, although not sharply. According to the latest figures made available by national statistics agency ISTAT, there was a 0.5 percent increase in teen pregnancy between 2006 and 2007. 

On average, Italian women have sex for the first time at age 16, according to SIGO, a group of Italian gynecologists and obstetricians. Almost four in 10 have unprotected sex the first time. 

European countries including Belgium, Britain, Germany and the Netherlands have had instances of schools selling condoms. Spain, like Italy a predominantly Catholic country where the church still has some influence on society, has a few schools in the Catalonia region with condom vending machines

In France, nearly 96 percent of high schools — public schools and private schools that receive state funds — have condom vending machines, according to a survey conducted by the Education Ministry last year. The prevalence results from a 2006 government circular urging high schools to install them. 

However, students at Lycee Carnot, a public high school in western Paris, appeared divided Thursday about whether condom dispensers in their school were useful. 

“I think it is a good idea. More is better than less. And it is less expensive than in a drugstore,” said Alexis Freiberg, an 18-year-old. 

There have been some cases of condoms being distributed at public schools in the United States, but it is not commonplace. 

In Italy, the only other reported case of a condom-vending machines was in a Turin school over a decade ago. ANSA reported the machines were eventually removed since they weren’t being used. 

The Vatican still has some influence on Italian society and politics. Its views on sexuality, marriage and contraception are often echoed by the powerful Italian Bishops’ Conference and typically get significant coverage. 

Panaccione said the reason Italy is less progressive regarding sex education than other countries lies not with the Vatican alone, but also with the “duplicity and reluctance of many families, which to this day still look the other way.” 

“To them this is a dogma: One must not talk about it, only do it — secretly!” he said. 

Elena Bucchinelli, a high-school student in Rome, said she approved of the Keplero initiative. 

“We young people are the most vulnerable to the risks of unprotected sex. Schools and families are the best places to receive this kind of information,” the 16-year-old said, as she drove her moped to a public school downtown Rome. 

“Many young people think they know all that there is to know about sex,” she said, “but that’s not true.” 

Associated Press writers across Europe contributed to this report. 

(Pier Paolo Cito/AP)

Hmmm can’t we just declare them Holy… imbued with the greatness of gawd… and thus necessary? Isn’t that what the pope does, in reverse?

I landed on the story while trolling thru the latest on the German pedophile priest scandals.

;)

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1. marisacat - 12 March 2010
Madman in the Marketplace - 12 March 2010

did the SCANDAL hit the VBC, or did a priest say to another priest, “hey, let’s hit that boy in the Vienna Choir”.

CSTAR - 12 March 2010

You’d think the Institute for the Dissemination of Sexual Abuse of Little Boys would encourage the use of prophylactics, even in Czechoslovakia.

marisacat - 12 March 2010

the hypocrisy is just so enormous.

2. brinn - 12 March 2010

Beauty! I have a pic (ok, several) that looks oh, so similar to that one, only it’s my boys in the back yard — sex ed, MY style started early for them, and the world, or at least the humans of the opposite sex and/or the same that they encounter, will be the better for it!!

Almost 24 hours to the minute since I entered the world 44 years ago! And only 5 1/2 hours until my official birthday week begins!

8)

marisacat - 12 March 2010

Happy Birthday brinn!

(and many more… 8) )

brinn - 12 March 2010

Thanks, Marisa! I wish I could share the pix — they totally got into blowing up condoms and there were many questions about various things that ended in me saying: “If it falls off when you put it on…you aren’t ready to have sex yet!” hee.

As far as the birthday goes, for one that hasn’t even started yet, it’s been pretty badass! ;)

Madman in the Marketplace - 12 March 2010

hey, happy birthday!!!!!

many happy returns!

brinn - 13 March 2010

Thanks Madman — it’s today… a beautiful spring day here in Austin…

Birthdays always make me a bit reflective…and it is gonna be quiet as hell around here until Tuesday! What will I do?!?

Oh, wait, I know, turn up the John Hiatt! 8)

…they have come to haunt the children, they have come to walk the wind, I can hear them as they rustle through the trees, looking for the love that killed them so that they might live again….

oy, I love that man and his music…!

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

he’s written some great stuff.

brinn - 13 March 2010

…there was 7 little indians…..

yeah, he has….

How’s you this fine day? I am procrastinating…yes, I do have to work today…

8)

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

I’m being lazy, hiding in my apt, which is what Saturdays are for, right?

marisacat - 13 March 2010

:lol: … I am just awaiting the Netflix delivery…

brinn - 13 March 2010

of….?
:)

marisacat - 13 March 2010

hmm bonus material DVD on a French film, le Cercle Rouge, a Jean Pierre Melville film… also a 70s double feature with Deneuve and Alain Delon…… and I think a 4 some of “24″, the Fox TV series…
:lol: should get me thru Sunday………………

brinn - 13 March 2010

If you say so, MitM, wish you could come and hang out on the back deck with me…which is it’s own way of hiding, believe me! Southby going on downtown….YIKES!

catnip - 12 March 2010
brinn - 13 March 2010

Thanks, catnip!! I love the hamster! ;)

The boys just left with their dad and I’m listening to John Hiatt — I miss them already…

wu ming - 13 March 2010

happy birthday!

marisacat - 13 March 2010

hi wu ming, how are you doing… ?

wu ming - 16 March 2010

hey! mostly trying vainly to be productive and stuff.

brinn - 13 March 2010

WU MING!

Thanks, guy!! How the hell are ya? I think of you and your wife often — still toiling away at the PhDs?

I hope ya’ll are well, and if you ever get out Austin way, PLEASE come visit!

**hugs**

wu ming - 16 March 2010

still grinding away. the kidlet just went from 9-2 daycare to 9-4, so we’re both hoping to make more progress on translation and chapters and stuff with those extra hours.

she’s learning chinese and everything, totally brilliant little person. flipping shit to scary cheek-pinching old ladies (which they totally have coming to them), which is a good sign for her as a young woman down the road. hard to not just spend all day playing w/ her, but this damn diss. won’t get written without blocks of uninterrupted time.

other than that, nothing much else except the end of winter drizzle and the beginning of spring thunderstorms. mangoes still a couple of months away, sadly.

i’m ashamed to say i’ve never seen austin, houston is the most of tejas i’ve ever seen (friend went to rice). it’s not impossible, tho, UT hosts conferences every now and again, if i’m ever there i’ll definitely come out of seclusion to give you a heads-up.

brinn - 17 March 2010

Hey! Didn’t see this ’til today, but it’s good to hear from you and to know that all is well with you and yours! How old is the young ‘un now? She is so lucky ya’ll are helping her to be bilingual — it’s my plan to take Spanish classes with my boys (one of these days when I’m not busy living paycheck to paycheck) — I think they’ll get a kick out learning with me, crap it’s been my plan for so long, I think I should just teach us myself! Ok, getting babbly….

Please don’t base your impressions of Texas on Houston, heh. And yeah, absolutely, come out to a conference, I know they ain’t cheap, so I’ll even put you up! Bring the girls too! ;)

It’s good to “see” you — I miss ya!

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 March 2010
marisacat - 12 March 2010

Gosh one would think they would like him!

Madman in the Marketplace - 12 March 2010

it’s the mocking of religion, I imagine, and knocking up the slave.

marisacat - 12 March 2010

oh knocking up the slave… had not thought of that one. I thought that sort of fit in wtih the political class, any party… ;)

Madman in the Marketplace - 12 March 2010

gawd knows why … I try not to get inside their heads too much. It’s scary in there.

CSTAR - 12 March 2010

Though I don’t want to be an apologist for Jefferson’s views and practice on class and racial oppression, Jefferson was associated with enlightenment. My guess is that anything associated with the enlightenment is deemed by these schoolbook Texans “unchristian”.

brinn - 13 March 2010

HOLY SHIT!

The SBOE here is whackadoodle batshit insane, but this is a new height in assininity even for them! Replaced him with John Calvin!? What the fucking hell?!

Next year, when kid the elder goes to middle school, I am going to exercise my right as a parent to get copies of ALL of his textbooks…

and this:

– The Board refused to require that “students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others.”

just takes the goddesdamned cake. *sigh*

Reminds mer of a Jim McMurtry song:

I’m Not From Here, I Just Live Here….

kiiirist.

brinn - 13 March 2010

I can just see it now….

Yes, children, there was a third president, and some say he did some writing here and there….now, on to the tenets of Calvinism…

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

I’d want the nice folks like you to escape, first, but can’t we just give Tejas back to Mexico?

brinn - 13 March 2010

Hey, I’m all for the return — the Mexicans have their own issues with their fucked up govt., but, speaking for me and mine, I don’t think they’d do any worse!

And I LIKE to speak Spanish, right? ;)

CSTAR - 13 March 2010

I think the Mexicans, if geographically possible, would eventually find some reason to hand Texas over to the Guatemalans. Eventually “Tejas” would slither down through the isthmus of Panama, make its way through Colombia all the way down through Chile until it slid into the freezing waters of the straights of Magellan.

brinn - 13 March 2010

ROTFLMAO!

Here’s to it!

marisacat - 13 March 2010

oh that is so funny! Perfect………….

4. catnip - 12 March 2010

NYT: Church Abuse Scandal in Germany Edges Closer to Pope

BERLIN — A widening child sexual abuse inquiry in Europe has landed at the doorstep of Pope Benedict XVI, as a senior church official acknowledged Friday that a German archdiocese made “serious mistakes” in handling an abuse case while the pope served as its archbishop.

Send in the exorcist!

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

I’ll believe it when I see it:

SEIU Warns Dems: If You Don’t Back Reform, We Won’t Back You

In what seems intended as a shot across the bow of House Dems wavering on health reform, top officials with the labor powerhouse SEIU have bluntly told a Democratic member that they will pull their support for him — and will likely field a challenger against him — if he votes No on the Senate bill.

Dem Rep Mike McMahon of New York met yesterday with a top SEIU official and told him he’s likely to vote No, the official tells me. The official: Mike Fishman, president of SEIU 32bj, the largest property workers union in the country, with 120,000 members in eight states.

Fishman told McMahon that the union would not support him if he voted No — and suggested the hunt for a primary or third-party challenger would follow.

“He let us know he’s not supportive of the health care plan,” Fishman says. “We’ve let him know that we can’t support somebody who doesn’t support it.”

“We are going to begin talking to other unions about finding someone else for that seat,” Fishman continued.

McMahon enjoyed heavy labor backing when he was elected to his conservative Staten Island district in 2008. He voted No on the bill last time but was said to be undecided on the Senate bill, and labor had hoped to win his support for the crucial final vote.

Fishman said SEIU officials were intent on sending a message to other House Dems that they risk losing the union’s support if they don’t vote for the bill — and said the union’s rank and file membership strongly wanted reform to pass.

“We put an enormous amount of effort into electing Democrats,” Fishman said. “This is the most important issue on everyone’s plate. We’re sending a message to Democrats: If you can’t support this, we can’t support you.”

marisacat - 13 March 2010

hmm I think SEIU is asking for the pacifier. Or a night in the Lincoln Bedroom… Etc.

We will never see it, as you say.

They caved over NAFTA, caved over CAFTA… and so on. They support dipshit creeps who mean to do harm. AND then there is Andy Stern. And McEntee…… and the others.

Such a crop of beauties.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010
marisacat - 13 March 2010

oh yum! David E on the big fat queen in the In Flagrante Delicto Palazzo …

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

Kevin Garn’s Skinny-Dip Confession Stuns Utah

SALT LAKE CITY — A late-night confession by Utah’s House majority leader about sitting nude in a hot tub with a minor 25 years ago has shocked this conservative state’s political establishment but has not prompted calls from party leaders for him to resign.

Rep. Kevin Garn, 55, acknowledged the indiscretion late Thursday immediately after the Legislature adjourned for the session. He said he paid the woman, Cheryl Maher, now 40, $150,000 to keep quiet about the episode when he unsuccessfully ran for Congress in 2002.

“Although we did not have any sexual contact, it was still clearly inappropriate – and it was my fault,” said Garn, of Layton.

Garn owns KSG Distributing Inc., which sells books on tape, CDs, DVDs and VHS tapes to retailers such as truck stops, grocery stores and convenience stores. Maher worked in his warehouse at the time.

Scandals of this nature are rare in Utah politics, where there’s a heavy Mormon influence, so the fallout Friday was pronounced.

“If you have those kinds of incidents in your background, I think you’d be less inclined to want to run for public office, in part, because of the risk of exposure and what that would do to your career,” said University of Utah political scientist Matthew Burbank. “For the most part, it would end your career. There’s a fairly strong moral sense in Utah.”

marisacat - 13 March 2010

I do wonder what happens now that she has breached the confidentiality agreement, which I assume is tied ot the 150K.

All for a skinny dip. More than a couple of decades ago………………….

But then, I am sure he ran on a “family values” screw game to the voters. Protect the Chilluns! At all costs!

marisacat - 13 March 2010

BTW, speaking of Utah, I just read that Beck is a convert to Mormonism.

They can all go crazier!

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

I didn’t know that!

marisacat - 13 March 2010

Which explains his hysterical invitation to whoever to leave their “social justice” preaching xtian churches…

And so on…

(may they all congeal, bite each other to death, etc., whatever works to hasten the End Times, Rapture, Whatever!)

brinn - 13 March 2010

See, just when I thin Texas is the armpit of the union, there’s news from Utah! Or, hell, even Kansas, Colorado and Oklahoma have been know to make me feel better!

Joe Stack aside, I do love living in Austin though — it not really Texas….or, rather, it IS!

marisacat - 13 March 2010

hmm don’t orget cali in the big prop (h)8 mess… a true gathering of the fundies…

brinn - 13 March 2010

We will outlast them. Regardless. THIS I have faith in! 8)

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010
9. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

Maddow on Stupak:

The “National Review” in this interview asked him about why Congressman Stupak is being ignored now, about what Democratic leaders are telling him about this whole anti-abortion stunt of his being over. Here`s what he said, quote, “If you pass the Stupak amendment, more children will be born, and therefore, it will cost us millions more. That`s one of the arguments I have been hearing. Money is their hang-up. Is this how we now value life in America?”

This is how Congressman Stupak understands what we`ve all been arguing about. This is how he understands the argument against the stunt that he`s tried to pull off these past few weeks. It`s not that the people think this isn`t the right venue for trying to change the law on abortion. It`s not even that he`s anti-abortion and some people are pro-choice. That`s not it.

The way Congressman Stupak sees it is that the people who don`t want him to get away with this thing he`s been trying to get away with are anti- baby. Bart Stupak`s opponents want there to be less babies because babies are so expensive. If you pass the Stupak amendment, he says, “more children will be born and therefore, it will cost us millions more. That`s one of the arguments I have been hearing. Money is their hang-up.”

So, he thinks that people are against what he`s doing because people think babies are expensive. That`s what he thinks this is about.

For the record, the argument the speaker of the House made yesterday in shutting him down is not that babies are expensive, but rather that Mr. Stupak`s plan to ban people from buying insurance that covers abortion, even with their own money, isn`t part of lowering costs and expanding coverage. It`s not part of health reform. It`s a separate issue that he`s trying to tack onto this.

But, you know, that separate issue is part of Congressman Stupak`s quest for fame. And with that quest for fame came scrutiny of things like his living arrangements at the C Street house, which is owned by the secretive religious group in Washington called The Family.

Mr. Stupak did address the ethics issues involving his reduced rate rent at The Family`s house saying today, quote, “People are threatening ethics complaints on me. On the left, they`re really stepping it up. Every day, from Rachel Maddow to the Daily Kos, it keeps coming. Does it bother me? Sure. Does it change my position? No.”

Whether or not it bothers Congressman Stupak or changes his position, the questions about his living arrangements at C Street remain open only because he won`t answer them. When a congressman pays only $600 a month to live in a $1.8 million 12-bedroom townhouse right near the Capitol that is run by a power-playing pseudo-religious secret group that he denies being part of, his constituents and everybody else deserve to know who is subsidizing him.

Who pays your rent, Congressman? Who paid your rent at the C Street house? How much rent did you pay? How far below market rate was it?

Who picked up the subsidy? Did you ever report it as income in taxes? Did you ever report it as an in-kind donation?

The only reason those questions aren`t going away is because you won`t answer them.

Today`s calls to Congressman Stupak on this subject, again, went unanswered.

marisacat - 13 March 2010

well.. at least she punches back.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

LOL … so now the fundies want to go after wider targets:

Okla. conservatives debate divorce legislation

OKLAHOMA CITY — Touching on a sensitive issue among conservatives nationwide, the Republican-controlled Oklahoma Legislature is embroiled in a dispute over whether lawmakers should remain focused on the state’s budget problems and other fiscal priorities or delve into family issues, especially the state’s chronically high divorce rate.

Republican members proposed three pieces of legislation imposing new regulations on marriage and divorce in Oklahoma. Two of the measures were defeated, but another — requiring counseling for those planning to wed, and therapy sessions for couples considering divorce — is awaiting action.

The issue has produced sharp clashes among conservative colleagues who normally find themselves in agreement. The debates have featured charges of hypocrisy and of betraying Republican principles against government intrusion into private lives. (RFLMAO!!!!)

“How far do I want government to come into my home and your home about private personal matters?” asked Rep. Leslie Osborn, a Republican from Tuttle, in a debate. She referred to state government as a “huge monster.”

But supporters of the new divorce legislation insisted it was a valid area for government action.

“The intervention is minimal,” said Rep. Mark McCullough, a Republican from Sapulpa. “It might provide a little benefit up front to newly married couples,” McCullough said. And for couples on the edge of divorce, “It could very well satisfy a compelling government interest. It’s a terrible crisis.”

Ms. Osborn continues, “what, do they think I’m a dyke or something?!?!”

marisacat - 13 March 2010

maybe we could all jsut live in fully monitored prison camps?

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

perfect solution!

and they could just skip the biometric id cards and barcode the backs of our necks.

marisacat - 13 March 2010

They so want that ID card…. even in 92 when Bill C held up that handy dandy card we’d all be issued for his health care (non plan) during the GE, I KNEW it was the card they were hot for.

I told a friend the other night, my CAL ID has expired… think in 2006… and I will nto be standing at a DMV again… my passport is eligible for a 5 year extension as of next year (to 2016) and frankly I am worried.

As a native born, I should not be worried, but I am. I suppose by now I am thnkful I was fingerpritned almost 40 years ago for a second hand dealer’s license (req by the police in SF if you want to sell antiques or collectibles, anything other than new manufacture).

Gah.

Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2010

Puerto Rico has declared all existing PR birth certs invalid and is forcing people to get new ones:

WASHINGTON — Native Puerto Ricans living outside the island territory are reacting with surprise and confusion after learning their birth certificates will become no good this summer.

A law enacted by Puerto Rico in December mainly to combat identity theft invalidates as of July 1 all previously issued Puerto Rican birth certificates. That means more than a third of the 4.1 million people of Puerto Rican descent living in the 50 states must arrange to get new certificates.

The change catches many unaware.

Julissa Flores, 33, of Orlando, Fla., said she knew nothing about Puerto Rico’s law.

“I was planning a trip and now I don’t know,” she said. “Do I need to go get a passport? If my birth certificate is invalid, am I stuck here?”

People born in Puerto Rico, a U.S. commonwealth, are U.S. citizens at birth. Anyone using a stolen Puerto Rico birth certificate could enter and move about the U.S. more easily, which could also pose security problems.

Puerto Rico’s legislature passed the law after raids last March broke up a criminal ring that had stolen thousands of birth certificates and other identifying documents from several different schools in Puerto Rico.

Puerto Ricans on average get about 20 copies of their birth certificates over their lifetimes, said Kenneth McClintock Hernandez, the commonwealth’s secretary of state.

This is because they are regularly asked to produce them for such events as enrolling children in school or joining sports leagues. Schools and other institutions have typically kept copies, a practice prohibited under the new law since January, McClintock said.

As much as 40 percent of the identity fraud in the U.S. involves birth certificates from Puerto Rico, McClintock said he was told by the State Department.

“It’s a problem that’s been growing and as the need in the black market for birth certificates with Hispanic-sounding names grew, the black market value of Puerto Rican birth certificates has gone into the $5,000 to $10,000 range,” McClintock said.

Thus far, there seems to be little effort by the U.S. or Puerto Rican governments to educate the 1.5 million people born in Puerto Rico and living on the mainland about the new law.

marisacat - 13 March 2010

As much as 40 percent of the identity fraud in the U.S. involves birth certificates from Puerto Rico, McClintock said he was told by the State Department.

ugh… and PR simply does what we tell them to do.

11. mattes - 14 March 2010

International Probe Targets Secretive Catholic Group

) — As sex abuse scandals rock the Vatican, the results of an investigation into a rich, ultra-conservative and secretive Roman Catholic order founded by a priest accused of pedophilia and incest are due to be filed in Rome tomorrow.

The sordid story of the Legion of Christ, whose late founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, was a close ally of Pope John Paul II before being forcibly retired by the Vatican in 2006, is a microcosm of the crisis currently enveloping the church.

At stake is whether Pope Benedict XVI will decide to take over the Legion and install new leaders from the outside or allow it to continue with its same hierarchy. Five bishops from five countries are expected to submit their reports about the Legion Monday

Link to AOL NEws

marisacat - 14 March 2010

hahahah I think Maciel fathered a few too many children, in addition to everything else that happened there… From what I read, til the crimes and hypocrisies of the Legionnaires come to promenance… The Legion of Christ was a place Opus Dei members faded away into, as OD had gathered so much attention.

When JPII died in 2005 the LofC were all over the media…in particular a Father Williams, who was a consultant to both MSNBC and CNN, as I recall.

Geesh, imo: first kill all the clerics.

marisacat - 14 March 2010

here he is, mentioned in the article.. But no mention of how invasive he has been in the US cables, it not merely CBS, for years he popped up all over…:

[W]ith a leader said to be a manipulative monster who built a shadowy but powerful organization for elite, wealthy Catholics with schools in 22 countries – and a tradition of grooming handsome, clean-cut priests who all wear their hair parted on the left and black double-breasted suits — the Legion of Christ sounds straight out of a Dan Brown novel.

But while Opus Dei, the other controversial conservative Catholic order, was made famous in Brown’s “The Da Vinci Code,” the Legion of Christ is virtually unknown to most Americans – at least on the surface.

Two of the most visible priests in America are Father Thomas Williams, a movie-star-handsome CBS News analyst, and Father Jonathan Morris, who is sometimes referred to as “Father Knows Best” on the Fox News Channel. They belong to the Legion of Christ but rarely identify themselves as such on camera. ….

mattes - 14 March 2010

Just think of the blackmail potential. Would keep anyone in line.

I wish I could remember the expose I read in the early ninties on the catholic church. What a horror story.

CSTAR - 14 March 2010

Marcial Maciel Degollado? Degollado means “decapitated” in Spanish. I think he better change his name to Castrado,

CSTAR - 14 March 2010

Oops, missed that the late Marical Degollado. I guess he’s dead. Castrado y degollado. Y podrido.

marisacat - 14 March 2010

How very strange…

12. marisacat - 14 March 2010

nu

LINK

……………………. 8O


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