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A hazel dormouse slumbers. Hazel dormouse numbers have fallen by almost two fifths in the past two decades – but the rate of decline is slowing down significantly [Picture: PA at the UK Telegraph]

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1. marisacat - 14 December 2010

I don’t think US is really reporting (tho BI has photos of protests in Rome) but I have on Euro News and they are reporting

“all major cities and towns in Italy have risen up”, there are “100,000” people on the streets of Rome and people from L’Aquila, where the earth quake was and B built some white marble facaded building for some stupid G-gagas meeting, have come to Rome to join the protests…

agaisnt Berlusconi, against austerity programs and school costs rise.

catnip - 14 December 2010

I missed that news. Looks pretty wild.

catnip - 14 December 2010

Quite the pic on the front page of La Repubblica.

brinn - 14 December 2010

More power to ‘em!!

marisacat - 14 December 2010

I know, it cheered me up!

diane - 14 December 2010
diane - 14 December 2010

Some more re: Italy

2. dropout - 14 December 2010

Just turned on news, so far nothing on cnn and msnbc.

3. BooHooHooMan - 14 December 2010

Evidence for the cure of HIV infection by CCR5{Delta}32/{Delta}32 stem cell transplantation

In the present study, we demonstrate successful reconstitution of CD4+ T cells at the systemic level as well as in the gut mucosal immune system following CCR5{Delta}32/{Delta}32 stem cell transplantation, while the patient remains without any sign of HIV infection. This was observed although recovered CD4+ T cells contain a high proportion of activated memory CD4+ T cells, i.e. the preferential targets of HIV, and are susceptible to productive infection with CXCR4-tropic HIV. Furthermore, during the process of immune reconstitution, we found evidence for the replacement of long-lived host tissue cells with donor-derived cells indicating that the size of the viral reservoir has been reduced over time. In conclusion, our results strongly suggest that cure of HIV has been achieved in this patient.

Blood, the journal of the American Society of Hemotology, has :!: published these findings out of The Charité in Berlin.

Submitted in September, they were “accepted” for publication four days ago and are up online prior to hitting the dead tree edition.

brinn - 14 December 2010

Wow. Thanks for the link BHHM! Here’s hoping it’s scalable! ;)

lucid - 14 December 2010

This certainly shouldn’t surprise as most people who test ‘positive’ for HIV do so because the body evidences necrotic conditions [such as systemic fungal infections]. Reconstituting necrotic cells within the body by use of stem cells would eliminate the cell necrosis that underlies a positive antibody test. Of course, this doesn’t necessarily alleviate the ultimate cause, which in my humble estimation, per the Perth Group is oxidative stress.

brinn - 14 December 2010

Whoa, lucid! I knew you were a talented musician, but didn’t know you were also so well versed in the biological sciences! :) This group of people never ceases to amaze and delight me!

catnip - 14 December 2010

I’m actually a rocket scientist.

Ahem. ;)

marisacat - 14 December 2010

hahahhaha.. I am not sure wat I am…
:roll:

diane - 14 December 2010

I’m desperately trying to join the fun and think of ‘what I am,’ other than a fool…….sigh………..

catnip - 14 December 2010

We’re all just modest geniuses.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2010

speak for yourself … I’m a high-functioning circus freak.

catnip - 14 December 2010

An honourable profession!

CSTAR - 14 December 2010

I’m a deterministic automaton.

dropout - 15 December 2010

I’m just a dropout.

diane - 14 December 2010

oh thanks for that hanky honey, you didn’t have to ya know ….;0)

dropout - 15 December 2010

incognito…..

Anyone see this, too strange for words:

Anna Ardin, Julian Assange Rape Accuser, May Have Ceased Pursuing Claims

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/anna-ardin-julian-assange_n_794285.html

4. marisacat - 14 December 2010

o gawd.

Little stephie says Holbrook “died with his boots on”.

gah.

catnip - 14 December 2010

That must have been uncomfortable. ;)

5. diane - 14 December 2010

Speaking of Italy and Medicine, reminds me of UPMC (University of Pittsburgh Medical Center ); which, according to some of my peepsies in Pittsburgh, appears to be taking over all of the hospitals, medical insurance (see here), and doing quite the transplant business in Sicily (see here, for one, …and yes, there is a significant Sicilian population in Pittsburgh).

UPMC reminds me of another, unrelated, PMC: Palo Alto [CA] Medical Center, which also seems to be sprouting up everywhere outside of Palo Alto, and I haven’t heard anything but negative remarks from those stuck with it.

marisacat - 14 December 2010

the hospital I was in here has done that, the take overs I mean. They now have 4 ”campuses”, comprised of hosptials they acquired.

diane - 14 December 2010

I guess fairly soon there’ll be just one, World Hospital, with severely limited access at that, sigh…

Looks like UPMC doctors have been doing a significant ‘online’ practise, I’ll just never ‘see’ a doctor if it ends up being the only thing available.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 December 2010

J’Accuse: Sweden, Britain, and Interpol Insult Rape Victims Worldwide

How do I know that Interpol, Britain and Sweden’s treatment of Julian Assange is a form of theater? Because I know what happens in rape accusations against men that don’t involve the embarrassing of powerful governments.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is in solitary confinement in Wandsworth prison in advance of questioning on state charges of sexual molestation. Lots of people have opinions about the charges. But I increasingly believe that only those of us who have spent years working with rape and sexual assault survivors worldwide, and know the standard legal response to sex crime accusations, fully understand what a travesty this situation is against those who have to live through how sex crime charges are ordinarily handled — and what a deep, even nauseating insult this situation is to survivors of rape and sexual assault worldwide.

Here is what I mean: men are pretty much never treated the way Assange is being treated in the face of sex crime charges.

Lots of sad details from various warzones and etc about the horrors visited upon women as a matter of course in this fucked up world, then …

If the rare middle-class woman who charges rape against a stranger — for those inevitably are the few and rare cases that the state bothers to hear — actually gets treated seriously by the legal system, she will nonetheless find inevitable hurdles to any kind of real hearing let alone real conviction: either a ‘lack of witnesses’ or problems with evidence, or else a discourse that even a clear assault is racked with ambiguity. If, even more rare, a man is actually convicted — it will almost inevitably be a minimal sentence, insulting in its triviality, because no one wants to ‘ruin the life’ of a man, often a young man, who has ‘made a mistake’. (The few exceptions tend to regard a predictable disparity of races — black men do get convicted for assault on higher-status white women whom they do not know.)

In other words: Never in twenty-three years of reporting on and supporting victims of sexual assault around the world have I ever heard of a case of a man sought by two nations, and held in solitary confinement without bail in advance of being questioned — for any alleged rape, even the most brutal or easily proven. In terms of a case involving the kinds of ambiguities and complexities of the alleged victims’ complaints — sex that began consensually that allegedly became non-consensual when dispute arose around a condom — please find me, anywhere in the world, another man in prison today without bail on charges of anything comparable.

Of course ‘No means No’, even after consent has been given, whether you are male or female; and of course condoms should always be used if agreed upon. As my fifteen-year-old would say: Duh.

But for all the tens of thousands of women who have been kidnapped and raped, raped at gunpoint, gang-raped, raped with sharp objects, beaten and raped, raped as children, raped by acquaintances — who are still awaiting the least whisper of justice — the highly unusual reaction of Sweden and Britain to this situation is a slap in the face. It seems to send the message to women in the UK and Sweden that if you ever want anyone to take sex crime against you seriously, you had better be sure the man you accuse of wrongdoing has also happened to embarrass the most powerful government on earth.

Keep Assange in prison without bail until he is questioned, by all means, if we are suddenly in a real feminist worldwide epiphany about the seriousness of the issue of sex crime: but Interpol, Britain and Sweden must, if they are not to be guilty of hateful manipulation of a serious women’s issue for cynical political purposes, imprison as well — at once — the hundreds of thousands of men in Britain, Sweden and around the world world who are accused in far less ambiguous terms of far graver forms of assault.

Anyone who works in supporting women who have been raped knows from this grossly disproportionate response that Britain and Sweden, surely under pressure from the US, are cynically using the serious issue of rape as a fig leaf to cover the shameful issue of mafioso-like global collusion in silencing dissent. That is not the State embracing feminism. That is the State pimping feminism.

marisacat - 14 December 2010

One thing I learned from being not too long in a criminal def firm, if anything like that were to happen to me, to just crawl home, don’t bother with a rape kit and try to heal.

about it.

catnip - 14 December 2010

Amen.

diane - 14 December 2010

Thanks for that Madman, and ditto Marisa and catnip.

lucid - 15 December 2010

Well, we invaded Afghanistan because, you know, bhurkas…

marisacat - 15 December 2010

and we are staying for the wimmens and children.

dropout - 15 December 2010

Sorry for double post, see this?

Anna Ardin, Julian Assange Rape Accuser, May Have Ceased Pursuing Claims

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/anna-ardin-julian-assange_n_794285.html

Revealed: Assange ‘rape’ accuser linked to notorious CIA operative

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

dropout - 15 December 2010

And then there’s this:

Who is Behind Wikileaks?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22389

dropout - 15 December 2010

Muddinging the waters:

“Wikileaks and The Economist have also entered into what seems to be a contradictory relationship. Wikileaks founder and editor Julian Assange was granted in 2008 The Economist’s New Media Award.

The Economist has a close relationship to Britain’s financial elites. It is an establishment news outlet, which has, on balance, supported Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war. It bears the stamp of the Rothschild family. Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild was chairman of The Economist from 1972 to 1989. His wife Lynn Forester de Rothschild currently sits on The Economist’s board. The Rothschild family also has a sizeable shareholder interest in The Economist.

The broader question is why would Julian Assange receive the support from Britain’s foremost establishment news outfit which has consistently been involved in media disinformation?”

ms_xeno - 16 December 2010

Yep. Just like Laura Bush pimped feminism so Hubby and his bipartisan pals could bomb the Afghanis.

marisacat - 16 December 2010

Two weeks ago AManpour had on some woman from some supposed Afghani pro women pro education group (think it was “Afghanistan Education Institute”), swathed head to toe in demure black, the sort of inverted triangle of the face open, but no more… I think she even wore black gloves, declaring the US must stay in A for the girls and women.

Nir Rosen has documented, there have been MORE honor killings with us there.

7. diane - 15 December 2010

How are you feeling Marisa, you have only one post today, ( I’m sure I’m not the only one concerned)?

My humble apologies if you’re just taking a break ……..

marisacat - 15 December 2010

no I started sort of dipping downward last Sunday… I plan to call the cardiologist tomorrw… I have an appt to se him next Monday (in four days) but maybe I should go in earlier…

I think the whole “recovery” has just been a lot. The night I was in the ER, as people swirled around and young idiots tried to sell me on the “procedure” (which I knew I needed, I jsut was nt going to have it done as some casual, local anesthetic thing done by a resident) no one answered me on “the recovery”.

gah…

I will be fine… it is a just a lot, for a “simple procedure”

diane - 15 December 2010

whew, … Im so glad you responded, even happier at ‘hearing’ I will be fine ….

I sure wish the medical experience you’re having, was far more humane (in the more promising reality of that word) than it’s come to be….. sigh …….

marisacat - 15 December 2010

honestly it’s been horrible.

I just do not do well with the “hospital regime”. And don’t want to go back in…. I tried ot get thru it as best I could, but I noticed that a woman who came in the day before I went home, in the late afternoon following one of thse “angio” procedure, where they snake catheters to the heart from the groin, to the bed next to me… she kept up a brave front the following morning with the doctors and nurses and so on… but when her husband came she broke down.

I had heard her say she was an emergency cardio patient in the summer at Uof Michigan hospital ….so I wondered if the regime during the night at this hospital ws esp harsh.

They wake you at 4 am every night to weigh you, at 5 am for blood draw. I tend to wake early, so it ws less intrusive to me than someone who normally sleeps to 6 or 7 (tho I dreadd everyblood draw) … She’d had a bad night, which as I would wake, during the night, I sensed. Apparently, as she tld her husband, she walked out to the Nurses station (all too often Party Central, even in the ICU-CCU) at 2 AM, to ask for Restoril, got some fitful sleep sort of, only to be awkened to be weighed. Then blood an hour later…

Nevertheless, even tho my fit ful sleep patterns meant I was often awke at 4 and 5… I hated the whole thing, both stays…

diane - 15 December 2010

the waking for wieghing, at 4 AM, seems sadistic, given how very few are awake at that hour … especially for those whose bodies need every stitch of fortification possible to successfully live through major surgeries…..

and yeah, if they’re up at two, why can’t the weight be taken then, before they are finally able to get some sleep?……

uggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

marisacat - 15 December 2010

it was a lot… we both managed to get out at 1 or 2 pm that next day, so I had no chance to ask her if the regime at this hospital ws strikingly different from UofMichigan’s hospital…

But I did notice she clearly felt very shakey and scared to leave the hospital but still, she absolutely went.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

and yeah, if they’re up at two, why can’t the weight be taken then, before they are finally able to get some sleep?……

oh well that would scrw with Party Central at the nurses’ station. I don’t mean to say there were nt good and fully cmpetent people who did their jobs, but there were a lot NOT in that group, as well.

diane - 15 December 2010

Oh wait …..I get it, ….my oopsie, ….. The 4 AM thing must be a bot algorithm (yup, had to look that spelling up), ….. and who would dare defy, … ‘such perfect reasoning,’ ….even if, that ‘reasoning,’ is incorporated into that software, by a chosen, and select, few ‘human beings’ (and not by a ‘perfectly reasoning computer’) …..

diane - 15 December 2010

welllllll, …the negligent fuckers better party it up now, as they’ll soon be replaced when only a handful will ‘warrant’ the ‘comfort’ of a hospital bed….and the rest of us will be dispensed with by who knows who, or what, online …..

catnip - 15 December 2010

honestly it’s been horrible.
:(

Get as much rest as you can.

ms_xeno - 15 December 2010

[points]

What catnip said.

8. catnip - 15 December 2010

dkos 4 beta

oooo….ahhhh…

brinn - 15 December 2010

Could it load ANY slower??? Over 20 seconds and still waiting….

catnip - 15 December 2010

I know. And it’s really buggy.

9. marisacat - 15 December 2010

Bu-u-u-u-t… we’re always for Human Rights! Right?

From Angry Arab, a letter to the NYT:

Can you imagine the reactions and uproar of those ugly words of Kissinger were uttered by an Arab- or Muslim- American?

And the only reason why there is no outrage toward his remarks is because he is perceived as a racist pro-Israeli.

“As a child of refugees from Nazi Germany and a professor of modern Jewish history at New York University, I am horrified by a 1973 remark by Henry A. Kissinger captured on the tapes: “And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.”

Nixon’s anti-Semitism and general racism come as no surprise. But it is appalling that less than 30 years after some of Mr. Kissinger’s and my own relatives and countless other victims perished in the Holocaust, he can say something so despicable. A comment like this may offer new insight into the mentality of a man whose Realpolitik gave us Augusto Pinochet and the bombing of Cambodia.

Marion Kaplan

New York, Dec. 12, 2010″

She gets there with the last line. It’s all connected…

catnip - 15 December 2010

Kissinger’s a psychopath.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

He is.

Nobel Peace prize winner, tho!!

diane - 15 December 2010

yup, in far too a long of a line of them ……..

we are so very ……………………..

I know it sounds sappy, but I sure hope we can somehow survive it… at least a few of the youth ….

10. marisacat - 15 December 2010

Oh no… I just heard a snippet on the radio that Dan Choi was “involuntarily committed” following a breakdown… will look for a news report.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

Village Voice… they don’t use or mention “involuntary” commitment… but fwiw…

catnip - 15 December 2010

I read about that last nite at L’OrangeVille. He’s been through so much and to think this damn fight is STILL going on.

Did you see the latest remarks by the head honcho of the marines? He should be fired.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

marines and army are opposing…….. navy air force ok with it.

catnip - 15 December 2010

May they all go to war against each other.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

That would be a good solution.

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010

a friend of mine jokes that those gay would-be soldiers must be pretty bad ass if big strong highly-trained Marines need to be scared of them … and if they are so strong and overpowering, wouldn’t the military WANT them?

diane - 15 December 2010

it hit some news by around 3:00 – 3:30 Eastern standard, as I saw it, before I went to sleep last night-morning, at newsnow………

diane - 15 December 2010

shit, sorry that should be 4:00 – 4:30 AM.

I admit it, I’m near fried, and desperately trying to hold on, like so very many of us …………….

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010

sad … I hope he recovers.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

he has so radiated strength….

I missed much of the news of the past 24 hours… so I did not hear it during the night, and slept thru evening news, almost all of it…

11. diane - 15 December 2010

jeesh boohoohooman … you’ve been kinda quiet honey … hoping that’s a good thing ……. :0)

take care, whatever is up, homezy ….. ;0)

BooHooHooMan - 15 December 2010

I needed to go through some different channels lately. All is okay tho I’ve been running late this week.

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Anyways Di..wrt those university gangsters back east..you may be interested to know they were among the first backers of LTCM. (One of the great iterations of the same Ponzi scheme that’s been going on for decades now)

diane - 15 December 2010

another whew, …..I know, I’m pathetic….but damnnnnnnnnnn …

(though I did figure you might be okay …tough as fuckin jerky …..and still an acronym asshole :0) …my fuckin head is swimming with the fuckers ………………..)

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BooHooHooMan - 15 December 2010

What is this? An obtuse – off? :lol:
Okay Lemme guess… LTCM ….
Long Term Capital Management.
It’s worth a goog if you’re interested.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

LTCM

Talk about a fucking RESCUE

catnip - 15 December 2010

I have no idea WTF is going on BUT Jon Stewart’s Moment of Zen was a video clip of “Male acrobats performing for the Pope” (as he gazed and drooled).

BooHooHooMan - 15 December 2010

Engineered by all the same dudes, still trading chits on it.

Well, Till NOW. As the story that I think that has been SOOOO Sotto voce in the US… is how the Fed HAS BEEN propping up the Treasuries Market.

OOPS.
“Folks” (henh) around the globe just. aren’t. interested. :oops:

TREASURIES – Bonds turn negative as selling persists
Wed, Dec 15 2010

* CORRECTED – UPDATE 1-Foreign investors scale back Treasury holdings

Foreign investors have begun :lol {Begun??!?? } cutting their holdings of U.S. Treasuries and the inclination to shed the low-yielding assets is likely to grow as risk appetite improves and managers seek better returns elsewhere.

LOL. Well, they SHOULD say there’s apetite for risk anywhere but Banana~Donko~Repulic HERE. And what it means with this monopoly money is Uncle is getting wrestled to the mat and having to pay a whole shitload of it out as both bond and currency are literally worth … less.

Because as far as USA is concerned, let’s get real : Basically we’re ALREADY defaulting on our debt by dilution, the printing of money.
Fuck it, The Bernanke should just start handing out DREIDELS. LOL.

I dunno of course, but given what we’re seeing, I don’t think its a stretch to see Europe blowing sooner rather than later.

Which should, ahem, do wonders for the Obama {cough cough} ~ “recovery”…

dropout - 16 December 2010

Really scary. Wonder if we will have hyper inflation next year.

What do you think?

diane - 15 December 2010

It’s simple hon, while I was glad you were okay, LTCM stumped me…… perhaps I should’ve been familiar, but I (simpleton) simply was not, no harm meant. Too many possibilities when words are shortened down to their first letters, and, the audience, is left to guess, what they mean.

I do get, Long Term Capital Management though,
and the nasty events it now implies

;0)

diane - 15 December 2010

…Long Term Capital Management …,
and the nasty events it now implies

hmmm, that term, Long Term Capital Management, always did have that implication, …for that matter …..

(yeah, to my mind, haste does make waste, …that’s a saying I thought made a lot of sense. Too bad I fail so often at following it.)

BooHooHooMan - 15 December 2010

I was kiddin too.

diane - 15 December 2010

remember jackoff!!!!! sweety? ….yeah, that keystone state, with all those convenient waterways …. carp and river rats abundant……..

sigh ….. humans jumping off bridges onto cement … snstead of those waterways …..

pretty overwhelming……

BooHooHooMan - 15 December 2010

Well “jackoff” technically is very Central PA,
whereas “jag off” is da Burgh,
and in Philly its almost “Jrkov”
(almost joykoff if said quickly, as in

‘sa fuckinjrkov wasn’t ready for the sheetrockers tuhday

LOL. ‘sall good.

diane - 16 December 2010

hmmmm, I cawl yoo awt ….

I recollect both jackoff and jagoff having high frequencies …..

did your highschool have that cream yellow (football stars and homecoming queens) versus drab blue (“greasers”), with plaid lining, barracuda jacket thing? The to have brand, being Sir sumpin or other?

(hurry up now, I still haven’t eaten yet…….)

;0)

BooHooHooMan - 16 December 2010

Poor Catholic School. Not enough young men to go around to field a whole football team AND a band not to mention the typically dedicated altar boy pep squad praying for a miracle on the sidelines as we faced or Cycloptic public school opponents over pigskin. ( Which they quickly replace with a regulation football) So ANYWAYS…we really had this horrific textile mashup thing going on when running the wing T out of the backfield. Did YOU ever donn trombone, pads, rosary, and helmet and try to advance the ball in an ankle length cassock set off by a epauletted top that would make John Phillips Sousa proud? Well did Ya?!??
:lol: :wink:

catnip - 16 December 2010

I am so lost.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010
catnip - 15 December 2010

I caught a bit of that on some MSNBC show tonite. (I’m in a cable-land fog. All of these talking heads look and sound the same.) WTF do they think they’re going to gain from having him in solitary confinement – or any prisoner for that matter? There is nothing humane about that kind of treatment.

diane - 15 December 2010

All of these talking heads look and sound the same

like ghouls, in my – now, nearing insane – opinion ………

diane - 15 December 2010

and yeah, I do jest, I am not insane, may not be brilliant …may not even be the sharpest tool in the shed, after all, we cannot, all, be that, … but I do know, …that I am not insane ;0)

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010

John Cole’s take on it: Thug Nation

There is absolutely no reason for this whatsoever, other than the fact that the United States has morphed into a brutal and repressive regime that is terrified of dissent. The only difference between this treatment and what we imagine third world nations do is that we have cleaner and more modern facilities. Hell, at this point Manning would probably welcome physical torture- it would be a welcome diversion.

And yet, this goes on every day in the greatest nation in the world, the home of the free and the land of the brave. Brought to our collective knees in terror of a rosy-cheeked private who had the balls to allow our lies to be published. And for that, we must emulate those great men who have gone before us- Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and other great human rights leader, and publicly make a show of our ability to crush one man. Because that is what this is- a message to every one else. There is no other reason to be subjecting Manning to this behavior, as he could be safely secured at any county jailhouse in this nation. Hell, he could be returned to his unit and confined to quarters, and nothing would happen.

We’re basically scum these days. It’s really sad. And I do not know how Lt. Villard and those like them live with themselves or sleep at night. I really don’t. Spare me the “they’re just following orders” crap. But we’ll go on spouting bullshit about Human Rights in every international forum we can find. American exceptionalism!

*** Update ***

For Christ’s sake, people. I simply am astounded at the lengths some of you will go to excuse this. “But I don’t like or trust Glenn Greenwald!” Who gives a shit if you don’t like him or trust him, try looking at the damned links he provides? What the hell is wrong with your cognitive skills? At the bottom of the page, there is an update which states a minor correction from THE OFFICIAL IN CHARGE OF MANNING’S DETENTION. That means they have read what Glenn said, and found one error, and corrected it. That would suggest to most people with at least one functioning synapse that, horror of horrors, Glenn’s piece is ACCURATE.

And yes manic progressives in the comments, this is on Obama. If we know about his, so does he, and he could stop it. It’s a goddamned disgrace. I didn’t realize I need to point this out explicitly, because Obama is, after all, the President and Commander-in-Chief. I sort of assumed you dullards knew this.

I find his response a little interesting, seeing how much of a Barry apologist he usually is, but nice that someone on one of the donk sites SAYS this stuff.

marisacat - 15 December 2010

I heard Glenn G say yesterday, I think it ws, on Russia Today, that alothough W often promised to pursue and prosecute whistle blowers, he never did.

But Obster has been vicious about it, going after “several”.

I am pretty well done with members of the black overseer class at DOJ and in the WH. I’ll go back to sick old white bread any day.

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010

they seem to go out of their way to prove they can out-do the cruelty of the original owners of the White Plantation House.

diane - 15 December 2010

black overseer class

….Shack Bullies United …..

catnip - 15 December 2010

That’s interesting. John Cole is one of the Obama Defender Squad’s heroes that’s trotted out and quoted frequently at dkos. Bit by bit, more people are slipping out of denial.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010

Ellsberg, Other Anti-War Protesters To Chain Themselves To White House Fence

Even as President Obama on Thursday attempts to put a good face on the war in Afghanistan, Vietnam-era whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and several dozen other anti-war protesters will be chaining themselves to the White House fence, inviting arrest in the name of peace.

“We are dedicated to exposing the true costs of war and militarism,” explained Mike Ferner, the president of Veterans for Peace, the group organizing Thursday’s Lafayette Square rally and civil disobedience.

“We’ve killed well over a million people. We’ve orphaned and displaced five times that number at least. And here in our own country, we’ve managed to throw millions of people of out work and out of their homes,” Ferner told reporters at a press conference Wednesday. “There is a connection there. That connection is the true cost of war.”

Citing information available for every city and state in America on the Cost of War website, the former Navy hospital corpsman noted that his hometown of Toledo alone has sent almost a billion dollars into the war effort.

Obama is expected to cite “progress” in the war as he releases a review of American strategy in Afghanistan. During his visit to Bagram Air Force Base earlier this month, the president telegraphed his position by telling the troops that “thanks to your service, we are making important progress. You are protecting your country.”

Ellsberg, the former military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1971 as an act of protest against the Vietnam War, took particular umbrage at Obama’s claim that the troops in Afghanistan are keeping Americans safe.

“I regard that last assurance as a lie. As a big lie,” he said. Ellsberg said Obama knew full well when he announced a major troop-escalation plan a year ago that the war was unwinnable, and that putting in more troops would actually bolster the Taliban — and, by extension, al Qaeda — by helping their recruiting efforts.

catnip - 15 December 2010

Does he still say he’ll vote for Obama again?

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 December 2010

You HAVE to see this video … I hope you can get it to load:

Christmas, Pope Come Early at Vatican

diane - 15 December 2010

I’ll pass, …I haven’t eaten yet, …ya’ll ‘Midwesterners,’ always takin advantage of those to the west ……(whatever west means in a presumed 360 degree cirlce?)

I half josh (though yeah, I haven’t eaten yet, and probably should….)

marisacat - 15 December 2010

i’ll give it a try when I fully reboot!!

catnip - 15 December 2010

:) That’s the video Jon Stewart showed a clip of for his Moment of Zen tonite.

diane - 15 December 2010

My apologies honey, but you wouldn’t want to know the meaning that Zen has taken on in sly con valley, and the DEFENSE INDUSTRY, and how could you know, you don’t live in SLY CON VALLEY. I’ll bet a ton of the DEFENSE ASSHOLES, now ‘retired’ and living near, or in, SLY CON VALLEY, are “Zen Budhists” (spelling?) ..and quite chummy with Senator Dianne’s hubby DICK Blum, ……and they absolutely love, that “karma” excuse to murder their fellow human beings.

catnip - 16 December 2010

There’s Zen and there’s zen – 2 different things.

15. diane - 15 December 2010

g’night all. ;0)

diane - 15 December 2010

…well, okay, I did lie, what I am feeling is

:0( ……somehow, I doubt that helps though, …..

sigh ………..

BooHooHooMan - 16 December 2010

You lied? On the internet?
What’s next?
Lame-ass ooga booga to the impervious?
Not on the Internet! :lol:

diane - 16 December 2010

you fuckin asshole, I’m goin to get somethig to eat ….

jackoff ….jagoff

whichever you desire …..

:0)

;0)

diane - 16 December 2010

(fuckin harpy……………..)

;0);0);)

oh jeesh……………………

BooHooHooMan - 16 December 2010

you fuckin asshole

Not at the moment.

catnip - 16 December 2010

TMI

BooHooHooMan - 16 December 2010

Not when my asshole’s involved.

diane - 16 December 2010

(I do hope you realize, that I was playing off of the comments above (prior to your Poor Catholic School … response), and, more to the point, that I don’t actually think you’re an asshole, on the contrary, I’ve admired much of what you have to say …I really do apologize If you felt that I meant it…. hard to explain .. the ‘sense of humor’ I was feeling when I posted that, but believe me, I meant no harm, and I sincerely apologize to you, and anyone else who was offended by my comments.)

BooHooHooMan - 16 December 2010

Diane,
my asshole doesn’t take it personally. :lol:

And I mean that.
So Peace.
And I mean that, too.

And on that note, a good night all…

diane - 16 December 2010

wellll okaaaaaaaaaay, but you didn’t say you didn’t take it personally ;0( (dig, dig, dig, shovel …..hip boots …my little hat…with the light on it …………..)

g’night ….sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

16. marisacat - 16 December 2010

HA! Kuttner manages some cutting remarks about ObRama.

And where does it appear, People Mag.

Don’t think i have ever seen an ostensibly liberal political writer in the pages of Politico.

[O]bama, who gives in repeatedly to Republicans, turns out to be highly skilled at isolating Democrats.

Beltway Washington — the editorial writers, columnists, centrist policy organizations, Blue Dogs and, of course, the Obama administration and its Wall Street advisers — has become an echo chamber of bad advice.

Slaying the deficit gets top billing — generating a strong economic recovery is offstage. A smaller deficit is said to promote recovery by increasing confidence — though nobody can give a plausible explanation of the economics.

Destroying government’s capacity for social investment seems now only a tertiary concern for the White House — though a prime Republican goal. In this weird inversion, being willing to sacrifice the Democrats’ best-loved programs is taken as a sign of Democratic resolve.

Obama is finally getting the bipartisanship he craved — but entirely on Republican terms.

Republicans win three ways. They have a Democratic president doing their work for them, destroying the Democratic capacity to use affirmative government to address dire national problems and annihilating his own party.

And all this before they even take over the House

17. marisacat - 16 December 2010

Yum Yum… Michael J Smith at SMBIVA calls BFH “First Gym Rat”.

And skewers her.

18. marisacat - 16 December 2010

On top of everything.. I think I have picked up a genuine head cold.

I don’t think I can blame thsi on rain, winds and carried grasses and what-have-you.

19. marisacat - 16 December 2010

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange Granted Conditional Bail and Expected to Be Freed Soon [8:12 a.m. ET]

20. catnip - 16 December 2010

From the department of What’s Wrong With This Picture?: UAE hotel boasts ‘most expensive Christmas tree ever

21. catnip - 16 December 2010
marisacat - 16 December 2010

yeah but. Sometimes it really works.

Long ago I thought “jerk” and “crap” were a sign of not being inventive or fluid with the English language. Hahahah… a few years in a law firm and those words were absolutely perfectly good, imo

22. catnip - 16 December 2010

This looks disgusting…yet interesting: Mo’s Milk Chocolate Bacon Bar

23. marisacat - 16 December 2010

Don’t make me laugh TOO hard.

From Politico “44”

LEND YOU MY EAR: President Obama promised American Indians on Thursday that he’ll listen to their requests for how to make their lives better, as he argued that advancements in health care and education have helped them.

“I want to hear more from you about how we can strengthen the relationship between our governments,” Obama said at the White House Tribal Nations Conference.

The new health care law will let Indian tribes buy health insurance for their employees in an easier way, Obama said. He also promised to work to curb the high school dropout rate for Native Americans, calling it a “heartbreaking waste of human potential.”

“We cannot afford to squander the promise of our young people,” he said. “We are going to start doing something about it.”

24. marisacat - 16 December 2010

nu

Link

……………….. :roll:8O


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