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Tear down… 28 January 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, DC Politics, Egypt, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Pan Arab Revolt - 2011, Viva La Revolucion!.
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Alexandria has also seen protests. Here, demonstrators tear down a huge portrait of Mubarak in the city on Jan. 25.  [AFP/der Spiegel]

Works for me…

Every building stormed, taken, every bridge crossed by a massing of protestors, cheers me up…

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1. catnip - 28 January 2011

Here’sanother pic for you

Caption: An Egyptian protestor kisses a riot police officer.

diane - 28 January 2011

I love that picture …it’s hard to visualize that happening in the “US” without a woman getting her head busted.

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

I heard a report somewhere that some of the protesters were presenting cops with roses and giving them cold bottled water to drink.

2. marisacat - 28 January 2011

:lol:

Clever IOZ

catnip - 28 January 2011

No kidding. That’s why I’m watching AlJazeera’s feed. At least CNN switched over to its international desk so that cuts down on the “me, me, me” talk – a bit.

diane - 28 January 2011

The Narcissus pic was an excellent ‘preface’…

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

my favorite comment:

Anonymous said…

This is an outrageous post. Clearly we should be asking ourselves how it affects Israel.
11:22 AM

3. catnip - 28 January 2011

Heeeere’s Lipless.

catnip - 28 January 2011

“Obama(lama) has not spoken to Pres. Mubarak.”

And why not?

catnip - 28 January 2011

Oh Mon Dieu. I forgot how Gibbs always manages to put me to sleep.

Must.stay.awake.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

He probably should show up with dancing girls.

catnip - 28 January 2011

That’s the least he could do.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

he is the worst, competeing with that little twit from Tejas that Bush elevated and kept on for years, following Ari Fleischer leaving.

Who, as much as I ugh hated AF, was among the best. Double ugh.

catnip - 28 January 2011

A BBC commentator said, after watching Gibbs’ “floundering” that “you get the impression the administration is scrambling not to be on the wrong side of history.”

That sums it up.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

They got caught not paying attention. And would have missed what was coming had they been paying attention.

catnip - 28 January 2011

Baghdad “Scotty” Bob.

4. catnip - 28 January 2011

The Associated Press is reporting that an Obama administration official says the US will review its $1.5bn in aid to Egypt based on events unfolding in the country,

Meanwhile, AJ reported on an Egyptian pointing out that the tear gas canisters being used against citizens are “Made in the USA”.

ts - 28 January 2011

The review will go something like this:

Obama: “Should we still give them money?”
CIA: “Yeah, I think so.”
Obama: “Okay.”

End of review.

5. catnip - 28 January 2011

Via BBC: The speaker of the lower Egyptian house is supposed to be issuing a statement soon.

6. marisacat - 28 January 2011

Rumors private jet has left Eqypt, announcement to come, maybe he has left.

hmmm

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Richard Engel : “I do not think the U.S. want’s to have a major revolution now.”
Oh , a little late and as if that matters now, Ricky.

And no sooner than Engel can tell mook Matthews Heeeere’s Hosni.. they cut to commercial.

So a quick switch to another feed, and, uh oh , I’m seein roast Mubarak. LOOKS Weak.

Shouldn’t be long now that ~ Hello ~ he’s already lost control..

marisacat - 28 January 2011

Eqyptian Bar B Q!!!!

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

LOL

poor little toadie …

7. catnip - 28 January 2011

Muburak finally shows his face.

catnip - 28 January 2011

“I am giving freedom to the people and freedom of opinion.”

Yeah, right.

CYA later!

catnip - 28 January 2011

He’s dissolving the gov’t and installing another one tomorrow? Democracy, what a concept.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

One night stand! A non sleep over!

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Mubar-i-gator! :wink:

catnip - 28 January 2011

:lol:

Took me a minute to get that.

Damn you, Lullabying Gibbs!

8. marisacat - 28 January 2011

BTW, apparently there is a bill in the House laying the groundwork for the US to cut off the Internets, like Egypt, if they would want to.

I see reports around that dial up might not get caught in a shut down. (I think every house needs one land line!, no matter what)

diane - 28 January 2011

was horrified when I started to realize how many people have done away with their land lines. I would add that everyone needs a simple phone, with the curly, tangly bit (if they can still find one) that doesn’t need electricity from the home (relying solely on the exterior transformer) to operate.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

When my electricity goes down the main land line still works… obviously the computer, a plug in, goes down. Means a lot to have that phone.

diane - 28 January 2011

yup, and it’s so saddening and enraging that people have been so absolutely duped and overwhelmed with gadgetry, PROMOTED 24/7 (which certainly appears to have the High Recommend of our “Public Servants”), that many have ceased to get that. Such a beauty in simplicity, it can be an absolute lifesaver …………….

9. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Oh for the hell of it, NTIM.

Annnnd….
{fast talkin-high-pitched-helium voice now}

WHAT IS the American view on this?

Anyone? Biden: For Him! No Dictator!
{I’m sure Hosni was delighted to have Biden’s endorsement :roll: }

Hillary: For ‘m? Against ‘im? Good Luck!?!

Gates, over at the Bank of Weapons, War, and Finance, most valuable security guard in the lobby, hander of lolipops to Obbie a his pressmen during playdates, simply instructed them to stay in the Day Care Center over at 1600, as he moved in more air power into the neck of the hour glass in Sinai. Oh, shifting winds on the sand now, shifting winds on the sand.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

They all look like dolts in aspic. But with big notes attached, Not Edible!!

Oh that bill in the House allowing pretzel, any pretzel!, to shut down the Internets?? Like, you know, Egypt?… it also specifically cuts out judicial override of the The Unitary Executive.

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Bingo! But the Internets.
As a means of control?
I’m beginning to think helpful, yes, but as oversold on it’s Age of Aquarius dot bomb upside as it is on it’s nefarious utility bomb defusing downside.

Fuck, they cut THE FBI off of Their porno, they won’t have to worry about the average jack off in the streets coming after them.

I think these things happen over time as what hasn’t been openly voiced comes to a boil. Hell, the bombast I’m given to on keyboard from time to time? Pfft. That’s nothing compared to what people are really thinking. Scratch the surface of most people ….. and they’ll offer the most sordid things they want to happen to the PTB. Sure, how many people can one person talk to, and maybe one hears what one wants to hear, but gabber I am, I sense people are starting to identify things for what they are well beyond the facile construct of identity politics (tho lets get real, NO ONE’s above using them politically, and people are seeing that, too} as they begin to make out what ails them: the Oligarchy, the PTB itself, the PTB that… be

We have both Parties of the great ruse now scrambling to beat down their own, who largely come from the fucked over stock in the middle.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

apparently Collins of Maine, Carper and Liebchen are the big backers of the bill moving thru congress.

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Well, the way this is going, when God-knows-what-sort of Post-American-Apocalypse assembly of Mel Gibbsean characters out of The Road Warrior show up at Liebchen’s door, I certainly hope the Revolution IS telivised. :wink:

10. marisacat - 28 January 2011

I think the US government is scared shitless.

I also read just this week that in a short span of years, not too many, Pakistan, and NOT Obby’s old home land, Indonesia… but PAKISTAN will be the most populous muslim nation on earth.

Good Luck chickies.

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

I think the US government is scared shitless.

Oh They are.
A wave of Populist uprisings in the Arab world? The way our white men dance?
Their worst fuckin nightmare, after their cotillion moves all up in the club.

Not to worry tho –
We go from Lipless to Carney!

marisacat - 28 January 2011

lotta talk about how “we can’t let the Whahabbis take over in Saudi”.

constructing an excuse for intervention, I imagine.

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

The Whahabbis
Well, sure, by all means they can try the horseradishy soy sauce, but as a scholar of Foreign Policy I can tell ya…

{ / Wild, Bidenesque Impulse } :wink:

It is to laugh tho, watching our apparatchiks try to maintain relevance, their bearing in saddle, the belly buster of them trying to mount intervention..I see they got El Baradei in there quick.

Oh just trot out Henry.
Just Mount the rotund old Kissinger to horse.
Send him right in. Hell send everybody in: Baker, Condi, Madelaine, the Georges Mitchell and Shultz,
the Muslims love ‘em. :lol:

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

The ruling family ARE Whahabbis!

can’t let the poor, POPULIST Whahabbis … etc.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

I know. To which they mumble, well… we realise now we shoulda reigned in the CLERICS in the 70s.

snicker.

11. mattes - 28 January 2011

Damn missed the speeches….but I wonder how much Israel has promised Murburak, to stay….

diane - 28 January 2011

no doubt ..if a promise was made, it was gift ‘wrapped’ with some flawless Shamouti oranges and Narcissus Tazetta, dug from the banks of the Sea of Galilee .

speaking of oranges …apparently they’re joining cotton, as the “investor class” determines who should have access to them…….

LONDON, Jan. 28 (UPI) — Rocketing prices of fruit juice in commodity markets could soon make apple and orange juice an unaffordable “luxury,” a trade publication says….

mattes - 28 January 2011

I water mine down anyway…

diane - 28 January 2011

Oranges, and other citrus fruits (not to mention plums, figs, persimmons (pear shaped, and the tastier flat ones), and pomegranates) are so abundant in Cali yards and ‘porch’ areas, perhaps a collective could be started where the unemployed with fruit trees could make some extra change.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

There is a yard fruit exchange online (even iwth shipping)… if you do a search it probably is findable. I forget the name of it…

diane - 29 January 2011

Found this online link hon: neighborhoodfruit.com, looks like a good one.

I wonder what legal issues homeowners and renters might have to address if they wanted to just place signs out for passers by.

marisacat - 29 January 2011

well I don’t know about elsewhere, but in California if fruit hits the ground, left the tree, it’s a free agent. :lol: so to speak…

diane - 29 January 2011

I’ve made use of that Cali, et al, free agent bit, with some very abundant, tasty, ‘ground’ plums … mmmmmmm ;0) though I was refering to peeps mebbe making a few bucks, on their excess produce, via a sign …

diane - 29 January 2011

Wish I was your neighbor, I love kumquats, very easy to grow in large tubs, wish I had more sun where I rent, hardly any frickin direct light.

and yeah, neighborhood fruit-sharing coops would be a wonderful idea, I offered a local to pay for some lemons (I don’t get the proper sun to grow edibles), he sweetly told me to pick some, wouldn’t take my money.

wu ming - 29 January 2011

i just gave a bagful of kumquats from the front yard to a couple who wanted to make jam. neighborhood fruit-sharing coops would be a great idea, given how a single tree can produce so much fruit all at once.

diane - 29 January 2011

oops, see comment above.

12. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

.
CNN’s got Talk about EVACUATING THE U.S. EMBASSY now!

D R I N K !

mattes - 28 January 2011

MSNBC…one of the commentators [marc ginsberg}saying Israel’s
claiming money backing this revolt came from Iran. Give me a FB.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

IBN is claiming that “al quada” aligned are planning assassinations of Jews in Africa.

mattes - 28 January 2011

There are Jews in Africa? Ethiopiaians?

snark!

anyway….the powers that be are going to be hard pressed to find another leader as w2illing as Muburak to kiss US/Israeli ass after wikileaks and Palestine Papers.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

I’m guessing there are merchants, operatives, undercover mil…. all sorts of Israelis in Africa.

Nto that I care one way or the other…

IBN is the worst propaganda. turgid.

mattes - 28 January 2011

What was Levy’s company, Israel Africa or something.

13. mattes - 28 January 2011

Don’t believe this:

Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising
The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8289686/Egypt-protests-Americas-secret-backing-for-rebel-leaders-behind-uprising.html

marisacat - 28 January 2011

:lol:

ass cover.

mattes - 28 January 2011

…”we’re your friends….realllly”

diane - 28 January 2011

what are your thoughts on the noted wikileaks’ ‘signature’ in the Telegraph article you’ve linked to mattes?

The American Embassy in Cairo helped a young dissident attend a US-sponsored summit for activists in New York, while working to keep his identity secret from Egyptian state police.

On his return to Cairo in December 2008, the activist told US diplomats that an alliance of opposition groups had drawn up a plan to overthrow President Hosni Mubarak and install a democratic government in 2011.

The secret document in full

….

The disclosures, contained in previously secret US diplomatic dispatches released by the WikiLeaks website, …

mattes - 28 January 2011

See the haaretz article below.

I think Obama is an idealist. And he was pushing for reform. But from the Mubarakian government. I think their intentions were not activists in the streets burning flags.

from haaretz:

U.S. President Barack Obama’s push for democratic reforms in Egypt has faced resistance from its longtime leader, in part because President Hosni Mubarak believes Washington’s past pressure for change has caused chaos in the Middle East, leaked U.S. diplomatic cables show.

snip
U.S. pressure is viewed skeptically by Mubarak, who believes ill-advised U.S. pushes for reform in the Middle East have produced colossal mistakes, from the ouster of the Shah of Iran to the election of Hamas Islamists in Gaza.

Everyone seems to want a legacy. I think the western elite know that it’s just a matter of time before the next world revolution, Bush and Obama worked in different ways to try and manage the change but it’s inevitable. I think wikileaks has popped the pimple so to speak.

The world is top heavy. And everyone is trying to manage what’s coming.

“We have heard him lament the results of earlier U.S. efforts to encourage reform in the Islamic world,” the U.S. embassy in Cairo told Clinton in a cable before Mubarak’s visit to Washington in May 2009.

diane - 28 January 2011

I really have to say that you sort of lost me on Obama the idealist … I, for one, have a real problem with even approaching that belief (if you’re using “idealist” in any benevolent slant of the word), with as many human beings he, to my eyes, has seemingly: derisively, contemptuously …thrown under the bus….not that I am an Assange fan either, I find him to be an absolute CREEP…….

maybe I’ll revisit when I’ve ‘slept on it a bit’ …

mattes - 28 January 2011

I think Bush was an idealist. Remember his mission to spread democracy over all the land?

We might have different definitions of idealism.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

mattes, that was not Bush’s mission. It was the drool they sold ….

God knows why anybody bought it.

As for Obama, a thorough reading of the archives of both the Chicago Tribune and the SUn Times is very informative. AND the Chicago Reader. And an early (authorised at the time) biography of him (post senate win), forget the auhors name, started with an “s”. He was a little too truthful in interviews in 06 07 and 08 and the campaign shut him down.

A hard look at Pastor Wright too. (again Chicago Tribune, Sun Times and the local black press)

The Boston Globe had a killer peice on the cruel shit Valerie Jarrett pulled at the CHA. And so on.

Geesh they all drip with bullshit. Amazing how people miss the smell.

mattes - 28 January 2011

Have to admit, I have not read a lot of Obama’s history. Had just listened to his words starting with his speech at the democratic convention. And I so did want to believe…believe in something.

But, his embrace of Wall Street has “enlighten” me.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

He was the speaker at both of the annual Goldman Sachs big annual dinners, 2007 and 2008. AND his biggest source of campaign funds, bar none, was financial /money /banks. Far more than McCain.

The die was cast long ago.

He was a small time fixer in Chicago. If you read up on his slice of S Side Chicago (policed by University of Chicago police NOT Chicago cops), he pandered to the voters, whtie liberals, educated blacks of various stripes and the Jews who fit in between (Abner Mikva is an early backer), and some non Jewish Semites, like Edward Said and others.

He wanted to go far, he was saleable, in every sense of the word… Axelrod had been perfecting this bullshite of a non-white candidate, (tho he also ran it using Edwards in 2004) like Deval Patrick and Freddie Ferrer in NYC (both his clients like Edwards), being sold largely to white liberals and various ethnic groupings… He even kept recycling that crap of One America, not Red Not Blue, Not Liberal not Conservative (what treacle)

It was a marriage. People bought it fairly easily.

diane - 28 January 2011

I don’t get that we have different ideas as to what idealism means (being dedicated to ones ideas, at the expense, perhaps, of others, for better or worse), and I’m kind of surprised that you would disagree that I was on the page that ‘idealism,’ by itself, doesn’t indicate benevolence. What I kind of get,is that we may have different ideas as to what Obama’s idea of reform is?

mattes - 28 January 2011

I guess part of what I meant by idealism is a a belief in a larger vision…greater/higher vision intellectually, makes believers dangerous when they become blinded to realities.
Benevolence would be measured by their minions. Or not.

So I do think Obama and Bush believe their larger than life missions. They say the middle east has the power to create zealots, messiahs….

diane - 28 January 2011

So I do think Obama and Bush believe their larger than life missions.

we differ there hon, ;0(, if you’re referring to ‘missions for humanity, at large’ (which, I’m thinking, you are?) I believe both of them only believe in what makes themselves comfortable, and, I believe that’s pretty damned evident…looking all around me………………………………………..

mattes - 28 January 2011

LOL…I didn’t say they were on our side.

We are considered the unclean masses….:)

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

Murdoch’s minions planting the “It’s the secret Muslim Pretzle’s fault” that we’ll be bombarded with from the wingnutosphere and Fox.

mattes - 28 January 2011

Talking head….’so why should people on the verge of forecloture in the midwest care about the Egypt?’ i.e. the Oslo Accords’…LOL.

14. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Oh no he dih’int~
Fahreed Zahkaria just called it!
“Beginning of the end”, his take, too!

But NOT a Revolution! NOT A Revolt!
So Says Indisputable Muslim Spokesman, Fahreed:
Just a desire for Change!™ – > D R I N K!
Big, Yes!
But Hey, says Fahreed:
They Have Pyramids! A Long History! PHAROAHS EVEN!

::

Sell it, Baby.

mattes - 28 January 2011

I just want to know….how high will oil go?

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Well in the end, Hu knows. :wink:

Should be good,tho: a huge inflation spike, the double-pentuple-poopling down on the maintenance of the Status Quo, even more Monopoly Money here, I look forward to it, frankly.
For He Spaketh: The Future is Ours to Win!

So I look forward to it.
Well. The prospect of living past it at least.

mattes - 28 January 2011

GREAT pun! :)))))))

diane - 28 January 2011

24 ouncer in hand …….

catnip - 28 January 2011

Of orange juice? What are you? Rich?!

diane - 28 January 2011

of course not, silly, SAB Miller, it is, get my Healthcare Reform from one entity (I discovered last night): Altria …provides my ‘air’ …and ‘fluids’ ….

diane - 28 January 2011

juice oranges are really cheap right now. I am unsure why….

mayhap…the nooz of their “scarcity” hasn’t been fully ‘pronounced’ yet ?

marisacat - 28 January 2011

Taiwan News (just today!) told me fruit juice is scarce. And cotton. In fact they said to go buy towels now (really, they did).

thank god I have enough. Towels AND Orange Juice.

mattes - 28 January 2011

Between the speculators and mother nature, 2010 might be a wild ride:

Food costs serve up trouble
By Michael T Klare

Get ready for a rocky year. From now on, rising prices, powerful storms, severe droughts and floods, and other unexpected events are likely to play havoc with the fabric of global society, producing chaos and political unrest. Start with a simple fact: the prices of basic food staples are already approaching or exceeding their 2008 peaks, that year when deadly riots erupted in dozens of countries around the world.

Rising food prices leading to riots, protests, and revolts, mounting oil prices, mammoth worldwide unemployment, and a collapsed recovery – it looks like the perfect set of preconditions for a global tsunami of instability and turmoil. Events in Algeria and Tunisia give us just an inkling of what this maelstrom might look like, but where and how it will next erupt, and in what form, is anyone’s guess. A single guarantee: we haven’t seen the last of resource revolts which, in the coming years, could reach an intensity we scarcely imagine today.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MA25Dj05.html

wu ming - 29 January 2011

noone panic buys as well as the taiwanese. they really have it down to an art form, before every taiphoon.

diane - 28 January 2011

that cotton shortage was particularly amusing (NYT had a hardcopy piece a month or so ago), since, not than many months ago, a record crop was pronounced for the year.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

juice oranges are really cheap right now. I am unsure why….

catnip - 28 January 2011

Maybe they can make towels out of orange juice pulp?

marisacat - 28 January 2011

well “bamboo” fiber towels failed. Esp after they were required to reveal it was just plain old Rayon, derived from resin.

So bring on the Pulp!

catnip - 28 January 2011

I didn’t hear about that. Hmmm…I wonder about bamboo “yarn” then…

marisacat - 28 January 2011

they tried selling towels and bath robes of “toweling”, you know the sort, for after bath….. but after a couple of years some agency stepped in and made them revise the wording.

If it is a resin / rayon, I would imgine it is possibly too thin and not absorbent… maybe good for some things but not toweling.

15. mattes - 28 January 2011

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/wikileaks-cables-mubarak-skeptical-of-u-s-reform-push-1.339868

Wikileaks cables: Mubarak skeptical of U.S. reform push
Leaked cables show U.S. pressure viewed skeptically by Mubarak, who believes ill-advised U.S. pushes for Mideast reform have produced colossal mistakes.
By Reuters

16. catnip - 28 January 2011

All of this nervous yank pundit talk…

So, Richard, why are the Egyptians protesting?

Well, Lawrence, it’s essentially about jobs (or the lack thereof). Not to mention the fact that the gap between the rich and poor has increased dramatically. And the lack of freedom.

(Subconsciously…) Hey, wait a minute…that sounds just like America. Ruh roh…

mattes - 28 January 2011

:)

17. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

LOL. You wanna know how a government
Dear to The Hearts of American Power is about to be OVERTHROWN??

MI6 loans their agents with those wonderful British Intelligence accents to the CIA for prompt booking as analysts on American television.

18. marisacat - 28 January 2011

via Ben Smith:

Categories: Middle East.

Dept. of exports: Tear gas from the Carlyle Group

ABC News reported this evening that Egyptian riot police are dispersing protesters by firing tear gas canisters bearing the label “Made in U.S.A.”

The canisters say the tear gas is produced by Combined Systems International.

A reader notes that the company is owned by fund of the giant private equity firm the Carlyle Group, whose website describes it as manufacturing “branded less-lethal munitions, anti-riot products and other related products that serve the military and law enforcement markets in the United States and abroad.”

Carlyle’s press office didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

mattes - 28 January 2011

Pisses me off, that oil and military companies always come out smelling like roses.

19. mattes - 28 January 2011

Hard for people living on $4.00 a day to watch the Israelis living it up on champagne while the US bombs the shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan and Israel bombs the shit out of Gaza and steals arab land in the West Bank.

After all, it is their oil.

20. catnip - 28 January 2011

Didn’t Obamalama say y’all would be driving electric cars by 2015 or something? Oil prices = no big deal!

21. mattes - 28 January 2011

:)

Egypt: First rattle out of the Jewish box

Bibi supposedly is telling ministers to remain shtum on Egypt, off the record one minister told Time Magazine that the Netanyahu government is placing its bets on Mubarak, and now we have the first on-the-record comment from someone to whom you could attach the title “Jewish.”

Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.), the ranking member of the foreign operations subcommittee of the Appropriations Committee, just put out this statement:

Ever since the historic Camp David peace accords more than 30 years ago, Egypt and the United States have been partners in seeking a just resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011
BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011
mattes - 28 January 2011

I noticed all the seniors are mum.

mattes - 28 January 2011

The falling house of cards:

AIPAC’s Egypt Miscalculation

The regime that the Israeli government and its U.S. lobby have depended upon to enforce the status quo is going down. It is not clear when, but it’s going to be soon, much sooner than anyone ever anticipated. And you can be sure that any democratic government that takes Mubarak’s place is not going to play the role of America’s (let alone Israel’s) enforcer in the Middle East.

Hopefully, the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty will survive — thousands of lives on both sides have been saved by President Carter’s Camp David Treaty — but there are no guarantees. Far from it.

Of course, no one would even be worried about the peace treaty if the Israelis had agreed to implement the critical second part of the Camp David Accords.

That was the part that would have ended the occupation. But the Israelis chose to ignore it and the lobby and the ever-faithful Congress blocked Carter’s efforts to push it through.

http://politicalcorrection.org/fpmatters/201101280006

EXCELLENT:

Israel and its American friends want to stop the Egyptian ‘earthquake’

The Israeli government and its many friends in the U.S. media are rushing to support the brutal Mubarak dictatorship as it copes with the most serious challenge to its rule.

Read the whole thing:

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/01/israel-and-its-american-friends-want-to-stop-the-egyptian-%E2%80%98earthquake%E2%80%99.html#comments

22. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Well Hosni outta know it’s over because
CNN has Fouad Ajami on and MSNBC has Ed Shultz
hosting the historic moment with ,ahem,
“Middle East Expert”…Steve Clemmons .

marisacat - 28 January 2011

oh god. Somebody please flush the gutters.

BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

CNN has one sober guest,
(seen her before, forget her name) who, when asked about the possibility of this potential heya Islamist stuff spreading :roll: ( All but Cooper’s barely couched assumption) … she cooly corrected him, noting it’s much broader and quickly ticked off a number of other vulnerable regimes, including…..JORDAN.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

Angry Arab’s nicknames for Abdullah and Rania……….. King Toy Station and Queen You Tube.

Tiresome little operetta. Time for it to fall.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

Ayn Rand took government assistance while decrying others who did the same

An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand’s law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand’s behalf she secured Rand’s Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O’Connor (husband Frank O’Connor).

As Pryor said, “Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out” without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn “despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently… She didn’t feel that an individual should take help.”

marisacat - 28 January 2011

An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand’s law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand’s behalf she secured Rand’s Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O’Connor (husband Frank O’Connor).

oh what a tidbit!

That horrid woman.

mattes - 28 January 2011

The shooter read ayn rand.

We the Living. Anti-communist, semi-biographical. One of his favs.

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

he seemed to list a random bunch of books that Freshmen feel they have to read to look intellectual, and I know that b/c by the time I was a stupid Freshman I’d read most of them on his list.

mattes - 28 January 2011

Ok. Have to admit. I was an ayn rand fan. Read all her books. Even signed up for the Objectivist news letter…but but, it all ended when I reached my 20s. Thank-god.

….I loved Nancy Drew Too. You just can’t go back.

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

Hardy Boys for me … I had a list in middle school of their books, checked each one off when I finished it.

Gawd, what a nerd …

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

typical, I thought. Okay for me, not for (lowly) thee.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

Loved hwo she was advised thru her attys. So classic.

CSTAR - 28 January 2011

The horrid books..

marisacat - 28 January 2011

weren’t they awful….

24. mattes - 28 January 2011

Marcat:

He was the speaker at both of the annual Goldman Sachs big annual dinners, 2007 and 2008.

ugh. never knew this. So he was anointed.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

More than annointed. Raised up, from years ago. And marketed by Axelrod …

25. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Pass the annointing oil…

Meet the New Boss?
How convenient.
Here for briefings…

Egyptian general ends US visit, US urges restraint
By Phil Stewart
WASHINGTON | Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:52pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Pentagon urged restraint from Egypt’s military in face-to-face talks with a top Egyptian general in Washington, before his delegation was called home on Friday because of massive anti-government protests.

Lieutenant General Sami Enan, chief of staff of Egypt’s armed forces, abruptly cut short talks in Washington that were due to run through February 2.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

I read the Egyptians were here for a previously scheduled annual mil powwow…

How much of the framing as reported is true, I have no idea.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011
marisacat - 28 January 2011

And they will do what with altar boys? and the occaisional girl child…

snicker.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

The thread is a hoot:

18
The missionary position = one missionary + one child.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

THIS one made me laugh really hard… what a scream

@25 “I mean, if it’s just for procreation, once you stop bleeding, no more chance of babies.”

Remember that you can always hope for a miracle. And some chick in the bible had a baby when she was like 600 and had never had a kid before so…

However, miracles will only happen in Penis/Vagina Intercourse (PVI). God can not preform anal, oral, or handjob miracles. That is beyond the power of a being who created the universe, once stopped time, split himself in three and sacrificed one of himself to himself, and appears on toast throughout the world.

..Posted by dwight moody on January 28, 2011 at 10:55 AM

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

good stuff!

CSTAR - 28 January 2011

Remember that you can always hope for a miracle. Wonder if such miracles qualify for sainthood points.

27. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

How much of the framing as reported is true, I have no idea. I’m with ya.

Speaking of which, a sensible skepticism is also at the core of this piece at RT, (tho they do their thing too!) but the thread had good commentary too..

PR101 January 29, 2011, 05:38

I see nasty orientalism here! Russian elite, it seems as those of Europe and Israel cannot cope with free and democratic Arab world! This is truly shame! Russia better get ready to deal with a new dawn in the Arab world in which the Arabs will decide their rulers. The days of propping truly sadistic dictators ruthless enough to keep Islamic Brotherhood suppressed are over. Islamic Brotherhood is a British invention and Egyptians have no need for Iran like fundamentalist system. The real fear for perhaps some pro Israel Russians is that free and democratic Arab world will not tolerate the U.S occupation of Iraq and the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. The colour revolution of the post Soviet State was directed against Russia but in the Arab world the really hated foreign powers are those of the United States and its junior partner the UK. In this way, revolutions in the Arab world cannot be fully and openly endorse pro U.S/UK positions because the people will not accept these candidates.

PR101 January 29, 2011, 04:29

R.T reads the Arab revolt simply as one of simply coloured revolutions. This is most unfortunate and to my mind it reflects Russia’s elite’s in security. The revolution in the Arab world cannot be fully accounted for in terms of the U.S. sponsored colour coded revolutions. Most certainly, the U.S has its agents and favoured candidate such as the Nobel winning, pro U.S puppet, who gave nods and wink to the U.S invasion of Iraq. But we need to keep in mind that the U.S is as much hated in the streets of the Cairo as the regime of Mubark. Of course, the U.S would like to forestall the end by trying to get in the with revolution but at the end it will not work. Just look at Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama’s response to these demonstrations. It is possible that radical groups will come in and that they might turn Egypt into another Pakistan. Mubark had failed to provide bread and work for the masses and most of the U.S aide money went into the bank accounts of his family members and close crones. Russia’s media does not know how to critically examine this Arab uprising. In the Post- Soviet space—the colour revolutions were bought with money and it did not have strong grassroots support. But the Mubark regime is genuinely hated in Egypt has been running that county as a one big prison camp but now we have millions of unemployed youth on the streets and he cannot end this uprising with guns and terror. It seems Russians are more worried about cheap vacations in Egypt than how Russia might constructively engage with the emerging Egypt! From Cairo to Mogadishu, it is 1989 for the empire and its puppet regimes…

Bogdanov January 29, 2011, 04:05

I would add to the list of the color revolutions Russia (Yeltsin) as well. Because, Yeltsin was clearly advised and executed the same plan written by the “Democracy Architects”. Did they have sincere desire to help Russians to transition to “better life” or not, that is different matter. The result, though, was practically the same as almost in every other place — economical destruction and political chaos.

I never understood Americans who are willing to snoop at every corner of this planet and so eager to provide advices about “proper way of living”. Didn’t they noticed that, at the end, there is always the same result — things do not work and they are the ones who are blamed. It is like a small puppy who doesn’t learn lessons quickly enough and going from one trouble to another again and again…

You either come/invade, occupy the place and forcefully transform it (having complete control of the situation, like the Empires did) or just leave those nations/countries alone. Half-way (read: outsourcing and remote control) never works well on big scale — neither for exploiters nor for exploited.

Americans would be much better off, if they just stay on their own (isolated by the vast oceans) and enjoined life in their God blessed lands. No, they have to go around and make everybody to hate them…

marisacat - 28 January 2011

Americans would be much better off, if they just stay on their own (isolated by the vast oceans) and enjoined life in their God blessed lands. No, they have to go around and make everybody to hate them…

There is a good summation…

28. BooHooHooMan - 28 January 2011

Paraguay recognizes ‘Palestine’ with pre-1967 borders
By ASSOCIATED PRESS AND JPOST.COM STAFF
01/29/2011 02:51

Move adds to number of S. American countries who have recognized Palestinian statehood; comes ahead of summit with Arab leaders in Peru.

Paraguay — Paraguay has joined a string of South American nations in recognizing an independent Palestinian state.

A declaration from the government of Paraguayan President Fernando Lugo on Friday also recognizes “Palestine’s” borders predating the 1967 Six Day War.

RELATED:
Ireland upgrades PA envoys without ‘recognition’
Peru latest to recognize Palestinian state

Paraguay issued its declaration Friday, ahead of a mid-February summit in Peru of South American and Arab leaders.

Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil and Ecuador all made similar proclamations in recent weeks.

Chile and Peru also recognized a sovereign Palestine. But they said the border issue must be worked out between Israelis and Palestinians.

Earlier in the week, Ireland upgraded its relations with the Palestinian Authority, but did not go so far as to recognize a Palestinian state. The move was slammed by Israeli officials.

It has been widely reported that Israel fears Spain, Belgium, Ireland and Scandinavian countries are next in line to join the South American countries in recognizing an independent Palestinian state unilaterally….

And here’s a shocker at the end..

According to the report, Jerusalem officials (Whacks} estimated that Europe would then be used as a tool by the United States to place pressure on Israel.

Also, yum, another nice WikiLeak tid, republished courtesy of the Jerusalem Post.

Wikileaks: Ireland prevented US arms transfers to Israel
By JPOST.COM STAFF
12/02/2010 05:59

Leaked cable reveals Irish Department of Foreign Affairs forbade US military transits to pass through Shannon Airport during 2nd Lebanon War

FWIW, as Dodd and his Bankser friends are still trodding the old sod…

Anyways, hittin the hay, “night all…

marisacat - 28 January 2011

No matter what, Israel is uncomfortable and looking over their shoulder, all the time.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

this is an interesting take on the passing of Jack Lalanne:

No, the thing that made the media tributes so striking is the extraordinary way that they edited Lalanne right out of his actual historical context. Stories in print and electronic media alike called Lalanne a pioneer, the man who first taught Americans to exercise. It’s no discredit to the man to point out that he was nothing of the kind. Lalanne was, rather, one of the very last great figures in what was once a huge and influential movement in American culture, and has now been systematically erased from our collective memory.

The phrase that was standard before that erasure took place was “physical culture.” From the 1870s until the Second World War, across the English-speaking world and in many other countries as well, those words conjured up much the same imagery that the current Lalanne retrospectives put back into circulation, however briefly, in the imagination of our time: a genial blend of robust exercise, healthy eating, spectacular feats of strength, and more or less colorful showmanship. Against a background of Victorian ladies doffing their corsets to swing Indian clubs, young men stripped to the waist hefting kettlebells full of lead shot, and circus strongmen challenging all comers to match them lift for lift, scores of figures now forgotten made their names into household bywords: Eugen Sandow, whose impressive exploits and even more impressive physique first made weightlifting fashionable in the Western world; Genevieve Stebbins, who taught exercise to three generations of American girls around the turn of the last century; Joseph Greenstein aka “The Mighty Atom,” the diminutive Polish-American strongman whose signature trick was tying a #2 iron horseshoe into an overhand knot with his bare hands, and many more – among them, and far from the least, Jack Lalanne.

It’s an interesting wrinkle of history that imperial societies in decline normally fear what’s left of their virtues far more than they fear their vices. James Francis’ useful 1994 study Subversive Virtue: Asceticism and Authority in the Second-Century Pagan World chronicles how Rome’s rulers found the reasoned self-discipline taught by Stoic and Platonic philosophies an unendurable challenge to their authority. You can find similar conflicts in the history of imperial China, the Muslim world, or, really, wherever the decline of imperial states is well enough documented. The reason behind these conflicts is simple enough: people who are ruled by their passions and appetites can be ruled just as efficiently by any political system willing to pander to those things, while those who control themselves can’t reliably be controlled by anyone else. Thus the Roman government regularly sent Rome’s philosophers into exile, failing Chinese dynasties praised Confucius to the skies while doing away with anybody who took his teachings too seriously, and modern America uses every trick in the media’s book to marginalize those who remind us that the life of a channel-surfing couch potato might not express the highest potentials of our humanity.

The taboo on self-discipline in contemporary America is all the more intriguing because just at the moment, sadomasochism has become the hottest new fad on the American left. Connoisseurs of the return of the repressed have much to appreciate in the spectacle of a subculture that claims to place an absolute value on human equality, but is busily getting its rocks off by acting out fantasies in which male dominance and female submission are far and away the most popular themes. Still, I suspect that part of what set this fad in motion is an inchoate but widespread sense that there are whole worlds of human possibility that can’t be reached by drifting along aimlessly and doing whatever seems easiest at the moment. Those who have that sense and are unable to conceive of self-mastery inevitably seek masters elsewhere; we will be very fortunate indeed if that quest goes no further than latex lingerie and a fashion for wearing leather collars.

marisacat - 28 January 2011

hmm there was always more than a little of the circus strong man in Lalanne.

…and circus strongmen challenging all comers to match them lift for lift

He was on local television here, from the 50s onward. Tho the last years were informercials, his own version of the VegoMatic sort of thing….. Supposedly you could put whole fruits and vegetables into the grinder portion. I say, god help anyone who drank what came out of the thing.

Madman in the Marketplace - 28 January 2011

oh, I forgot about that industrial juicer thing he used to sell.

BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

I wonder who in the hell is listening in Egypt to the co-optive nonsense that the Egyptian Revolution is “Secretly Backed by the U.S.”

Yeh Good Luck with that Welcome wag-on, the one shooting tear gas.

How could anyone half-hip in Egypt or anywhere else possibly buy such pathetic time-buying counterspin? Whether it’s from U.S. Idiot Box broadcasts or it repeated IMO as a quick time-buying gambit by Russian propoganda in advance of currency and other market impacts…

“OUR” Media tools BTW: REALLY getting desperate:

– > “There is no identifiable leader behind this!
Can’t We Has Leader?

How can them ‘gyptians DO THAT?!??!”

LOL. Oh I dunnodair, Webster’s Dictionary.
How can they DO That?
How about Calculated Deception, Earnest?
Secrecy and some Subterfuge?
Teh terms Plausible Deniability and
Tacit Understanding ring a bell?

Maybe the Americans can look ‘em up while reviewing Anarchy in the A section before looking for Another Asshole to join the A-Team.

BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

I just have the sense that the best possible outcome for the long run is commensurate with how long an “Identifiable” (translation co-optable or readily assasinated) “Leader” DOESN”T emerge in the short run.

Gahd, CNN really groping to get a handle on this. Jeezis. Send em some help already. The fucker’s Script Doctors must have walked off the set after the shooting of Gabby was done.

ts - 29 January 2011

That was really, really good. One of the main reasons why corporate profits are so high is that personal saving is so low. Self-dicipline is bad for business.

30. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

WaPo this Saturday morn —

Egyptian capital falls into near-anarchy

NYT-

Some in Army Appear to Side With Demonstrators
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK, 3 minutes ago

While some protesters clashed with police in Cairo, some Egyptian army soldiers appeared to be siding with the demonstrators on Saturday.

:shock: Ruh-roh.
And this Classic Exceptionalism from – go figure –
Foreign Policy

Just Whose Side Are Arab Armies On, Anyway?
BY ELLEN KNICKMEYER | JANUARY 28, 2011

:lol: Cheer up, Ellen Knickmeyer, whoevah ya are!
The pic of Egyptians on TOP of the Armored Personell Carrier accompanying the piece makes it well worthwhile!

31. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

Oh,
Royally Puckered Assholes in Saudi Arabia now.

I love the no frills packaging on their messaging now, too: CNN! Just get it on the air , Damnit!

Saudi Arabia slammed protesters in Egypt as “infiltrators” who seek to destabilize their country Saturday while an Iranian official called on Egypt to “abide by the rightful demands of the nation” and avoid violent reactions.

Saudi King Abdullah Ibn Abdulaziz Al Saud called Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and “was reassured” about the situation in Egypt, the state-run Saudi Press Agency reported.

“During the call, the king said, ‘Egypt is a country of Arabism and Islam. No Arab and Muslim human being can bear that some infiltrators, in the name of freedom of expression, have infiltrated into the brotherly people of Egypt, to destabilize its security and stability and they have been exploited to spew out their hatred in destruction, intimidation, burning, looting and inciting a malicious sedition,'” the news agency reported.

Saudi Arabia “strongly condemns” the protest, it said.

Mubarak assured the Saudi king “that the situation is stable” and that the protests “are merely attempts of groups who do not want stability and security for the people of Egypt, but rather they seek to achieve strange and suspicious objectives,” the report said.

NOW CNN has a full blown,
Shit-yer-Establishment-pants PANIC piece up..
Iranian Missile Bases in Egypt! Lebanon! Saudi Arabia!

marisacat - 29 January 2011

Washington and Israel are in full panic mode.

Prepare for flying bullshite, in all directions.

BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

Regional markets anxious over Egypt’s unrest
Saudi exchange down 6.43% on Egypt protests
Saturday, 29 January 2011

The Saudi stock market, the largest Arab bourse, dropped 6.43% to 6267.22 points on Saturday as tensions soared in Egypt where deadly anti-government protests continued for a fifth day.

Saudi Arabia’s stock exchange tumbling sets the stage for other regional markets to drop as concerns mounted about the violent protests in Egypt that presented the most serious challenge to President Hosni Mubarak’s roughly 30-year rule.

marisacat - 29 January 2011

Hillary is gonna have to talk even s l o w e r.

Does she think the world is deaf or dumb. or both.

I must say she looks the idiot.

32. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

And WITH THAT over, CNN says the Interior Ministry is being stormed. W

Which as C&C of Egyptian Central Security Forces, is the rough equivalent of them storming the FBI and Homeland Security.

33. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

From AJ’s English live feed…3 Protesters killed at Interior Ministry as first wave is repulsed by Mubarak loyalists

Crickets from the Army at MoI , Mubaraks HQ for his torturers, street goons, etc. ..

the Army IS securing the Parliament Bldg tho…

marisacat - 29 January 2011

Whatever will little Obby DO – – – – – as this turns much more violent, from state forces.

BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

Many more casualties in Alexandria and the city of Suez too..

marisacat - 29 January 2011

I read protests broke out in the prisons and “political prisoners”, some of the Muslim Brotherhood, were killed…

34. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

Protesters at Egypt Central Bank’s Printing House, their Mint. Army sends them off with warning shots…

::

Mubarak appoints Intel Chief, Omar Suliman as VP.
First time in 30 years.. the AJ analyst as its announced says its a vehicle for Mubarak to leave.

35. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

Second Wave of Protesters Storming the Ministry of Interior Now.

As masses holds Prayer in Tahrir Square…

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 January 2011

the stenographer standing in front of the White House is claiming that Obama et al supported the protesters all along …

… now onto a scare story about teh terra!

marisacat - 29 January 2011

I am not sure this is one Ob and Co can make their way thru. Flat footed, flat heavy feet on the ground.

catnip - 29 January 2011

They should be nervous. Will we find out that Obamalama has continued rendering suspects to Egypt for torture? Stay tuned.

marisacat - 29 January 2011

My guess is yes…

37. BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

Guardian’s lede…

‘This is the Arab world’s Berlin moment’
Analysts predict end of regimes

Fawaz Gerges, professor of Middle Eastern politics and international relations at the London School of Economics”

This is the Arab world’s Berlin moment. The authoritarian wall has fallen – and that’s regardless of whether Mubarak survives or not. It goes beyond Mubarak. The barrier of fear has been removed. It is really the beginning of the end of the status quo in the region.

{Welll…not exactly, as the London Schooler goes on… :roll: – BHHM}

The introduction of the military speaks volumes about the failure of the police to suppress the protesters. The military has stepped in and will likely seal any vacuum of authority in the next few weeks. Mubarak is deeply wounded. He is bleeding terribly. We are witnessing the beginning of a new era.

::
Rosemary Hollis, professor of Middle Eastern policy studies at City University, London:

I think it will take a couple of days to organise his [Mubarak's] departure if it happens. It’s going to be a messy process and there will probably be some bloodshed. I don’t think you’re going to get into a situation where you have almost a war with the army on one side and the people on the other. The army has to decide whether it stands with Mubarak or the people. It’s one of those moments where, as with the fall of communism in Eastern Europe, they can come down to individual lieutenants and soldiers to decide whether they fire on the crowd or not. Different soldiers and groups of soldiers may well make different decisions.

In some ways what we’re looking at is what happened in Iran in 1979, but without [Ayatollah] Khomenei. These protests are much more leaderless. As with Tunisia – and with Iran in 1979 – what will probably happen is you get an interim government. The question is what replaces it.

::
Robin Niblet, director at Chatham House:

If Egypt stepped in that direction [of political Islam] implications for Israel and Israel’s security could be very serious indeed.

He [Obama] has to be incredibly careful about the message he sends right now publicly, whatever he says in private. I think the US government in part has to be in very close contact with the Egyptian military, now that they’ve been brought in to this contact by the president.

They are potentially the group that could tell Mubarak to go. It could potentially turn against him … quietly and privately. A new government will have to undertake all of the social, structural changes … so that economic opportunity is not trapped in the hands of so few.

::
Mark Malloch Brown, former UN deputy secretary general and former junior British foreign minister:

[Egypt] has in recent years tried to combine a very limited political space with a much bigger social space, underpinned by a very widespread access to electronic media. That appears to have become the Achilles heel of the regime.

38. catnip - 29 January 2011

CBC interview with a guy from Human Rights Watch in Alexandria:

– after battling with the police all day in the city (13 protesters killed), the people burned down all of the police stations.

– the army showed up and was greeted with “flowers and tea”. (Suck on that, Mubarak.)

– the police are nowhere to be found now except for “secret police” thugs – one of whom punched the guy in the face while trying to take his phone.

39. catnip - 29 January 2011

All of this against the backdrop of the comfy elites meeting in Davos to talk about how they really really really want to help the world’s rabble-rousing peasants. Really.

40. marisacat - 29 January 2011

Relocation!

ISRAELI FLAG REMOVED FROM CAIRO

Matthew sent me this from Cairo:

“i just drove by what used to be the israeli embassy in cairo. it’s now completely empty, the staff has fled. there is no longer an israeli flag hanging in cairo or anywhere else in egypt.”

Posted by As’ad at 8:21 AM

Israelis in Egypt

Aljazeera is reporting that families of the staff of the Israeli occupation embassy in Cairo have arrived in Tel Aviv. It is reported that their tears caused flooding in occupied Palestine.

Posted by As’ad at 8:20 AM

BooHooHooMan - 29 January 2011

I saw that one –
the Charlton Heston flick, right?!? :lol:

Welp, El Al sure beats takin’ it on the hoof or tryin to rent a chariot for 40 YEARS I guess.

marisacat - 29 January 2011

I’m pretty happy.. no matter what some things will change.

I did catch one report that “dozens” have been killed…

marisacat - 29 January 2011

Hey look! I t knocked Kaine off MTP!!

BULLETIN — Secretary Clinton will address Egypt on all five Sunday shows. She will tape brief interviews with each anchor tomorrow morning.

–Christiane Amanpour said on “World News” that she was heading to Cairo for “This Week.” … DNC Chairman Tim Kaine no longer on “Meet” due to Egypt.

41. catnip - 29 January 2011
42. marisacat - 29 January 2011

Nu

LINK

……………… :lol:


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